1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: Seven and two on the road trip. The Saint Lois 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Cardinals officially wrapped up their three city nine game trip. 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: And I don't think any of us would have had 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: them gone seven and two. But even if you did, 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: would you have their collect the number of runs they 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: lost by collectively in those two losses at just two runs? 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: What a surge for the Salts Cardinals who just keep 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: finding ways to win ball games. Welcome back to Cardinal Territory, 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: Katie and Bernie here with you to break down what 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: I think has been so far easily the highlight of 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: this season. 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. And you know, before they left, 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: I think everyone was feeling good about kind of the 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: trend and the way they were playing ball. But and 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: even though they had started to win a little bit 16 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: on the road, this this three city trips, you know, 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: nine games ten days, seemed kind of a little bit dominous. 18 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: You know, what are they going to do? And you're like, 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: when Will Leach and I did seeing Red on Monday, 20 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: you know, I said, well, what would what would you 21 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: make make you happy as a Cardinals fan? He said, 22 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: follow five and four? And I said, yeah, I think 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: that's reasonable. Or whatever day we did that, and so 24 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, well, if they go five and four, I 25 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: don't have any real complaints. So they go seven and two, 26 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: I mean they you know, so they continue to exceed 27 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: expectations and they're sort of passing a lot of tests. 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: There's more to come, like with this homestand but now 29 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: they're fun team to watch, a really really fun team. 30 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: To watch seven and two. And both of those two 31 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: losses were you know, they to one ball games and 32 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: they were in it up up until the last pitch. 33 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: And they dropped the game today two to one at 34 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: Kansas City Royals. Uh, but they banged out twelve pitch, 35 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,919 Speaker 1: just didn't get the big one and funners in scoring position. 36 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: That's going to happen. Matthew Libertore continues to excel all around. 37 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: I we were talking with Olive before the game today 38 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: and I asked him, do you have a favorite game 39 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: of the road trip? And it was hard. We went 40 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: around the room for us to choose one, and I 41 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: think mine was Saturday. There is nothing better to me 42 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: than a one oh ball game because if your final, 43 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: if you're winning a game with one run, two hits, 44 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: that means you did everything right, you executed on the 45 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: little things and both teams just a tremendous game Saturday. 46 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: And it was the first time when I walked into 47 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: the clubhouse after, I mean it was bumping, it was loud, 48 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: guys are celebrating, and they're all in good spirits. It's 49 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: also eight o'clock on a Saturday. They just put a 50 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: one hour in forty ninety eight or forty nine minute game, 51 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: so but it was different. And when we were I 52 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: was going around talking to players, they all said different 53 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 1: things about this is the best we felt all year, 54 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: or the most you know, the best team when we've 55 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: had all year, the most energy. Oli Marmle said, it 56 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: was perfect Cardinal baseball out there. And when you look 57 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: at the defense that you saw around the diamond, whether 58 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: it's Victor Scott, the second Nolan, Aaronado, Brendan Donovan slowly 59 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: but surely putting together an All Star campaign, I will say, 60 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: oh yeah, Mason win, it felt like Cardinal baseball and 61 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: it was so enjoyable. Miles Michaelis is an incredible job 62 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: turning things around. He's a two to one seven era 63 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: since that Boston blow up. Gets through the heart of 64 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: the order in Bobby but Junior Bennie Paspentino and Salvi 65 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: Perez for the third time. That's been an area that 66 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: the Cardinals have been really hesitant to use him around. 67 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: Kyle lay comes out and gets the job done. Ryan 68 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: Helsey looks so much better. It was just such a 69 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: good win and it really fired me up because if 70 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: you are a team that can win one nothing and 71 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: then win whatever ten to three, fourteen to seven. I mean, 72 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: the way that the Cardinals went through this road trip, 73 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: they won baseball. There are baseball games by playing a 74 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: different brand of baseball, and it's really fun to watch. 75 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: Exactly see earlier in the season, they would have never 76 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: won these games. They they've won a lot of really 77 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: close games lately, you know, and they did that a 78 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: few times on this road trip, and you're right about 79 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: Saturday Night's game. But they never would have had a chance, 80 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: really realistically to win these kind of games. And it 81 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: wasn't that long ago. I mean, the bullpen would have 82 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: just not not the bullpen would not have been able 83 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: to provide the security to help you ride out a close, 84 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: close game because the bullpen was getting blown up so 85 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: many times before it got to Hellsley. But once the 86 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: bullpen you know, underwent a transformation and with this extraordinary defense, 87 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: you know you can win these games now. And you know, 88 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: that's what this road trip was all about. I know 89 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: that the offense went off big time, you know, in 90 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: two or three of the games, but they had to. 91 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: They had to walk a very thin line, as you noted, 92 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: between victory and defeat. And when you when you get 93 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: the kind of starting pitching they did on this uh, 94 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: well the pitching period, if I if I did my 95 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 2: math correctly, they had a tm ERA of two point 96 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: one six on this road trip. But this starting pitcher 97 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: is about two point four to three, bullpen one point 98 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 2: five to two. Roycroft gave up a run today, but 99 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: come on, it's going to happen. But when you get 100 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: like they had, they they shot a lot of blanks. 101 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: Also on the road trip, they had a lot of 102 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 2: low scoring games. I'm not being critical, but it's just 103 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: just the way it was. And there were a lot 104 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: of one where they scored one run to run, that 105 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 2: kind of thing. But yet they were able to win 106 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: all of these games, even in a time where the 107 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: offense was kind of inconsistent because of pitching and defense. 108 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: And I gotta tell you, k Katie final thing on 109 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: that I try to get you know, I try to 110 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: limit myself. I don't want I don't want to get 111 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: into like hyperbole. I really don't. But I can't remember 112 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: the last time I saw Cardinals team play that incredible, 113 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: elite level defense in one game. And I go back to, 114 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: you know, even covering some of those White Herzog teams, 115 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna leave them out of the discussion because 116 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 2: it was a different time, different era, different ballpark. I 117 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: don't think. I don't think Larus's teams, even though they 118 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: had good, good defense, and Shilt's teams had good defense, 119 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: but just for all those incredible plays in a one 120 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: to nothing game, and pretty much every single one of 121 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: those plays had to be made, and it was just 122 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: you just there. I was just sitting there as a 123 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: fan and I'm going like whoa, and it was like 124 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: one after the other that that was see that, You're right, 125 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: that is the kind of baseball that maybe some people 126 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 2: don't appreciate that much some but I really do. I 127 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: really do. Where you have to play perfectly like pretty 128 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: much in every area except for you're not going to 129 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: score a lot of runs, but you got one run 130 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 2: and then everything else had to be perfect, and it 131 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: was just fun to watch them make all those plays 132 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: to make it perfect, and you. 133 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: Count on the one run coming from a guy who 134 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: they really needed to see something from. I mean, Jordan 135 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: Walker gets that when you get when you're Jordan Walker 136 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: and you get a fastball location where you did, that 137 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: is what you should be doing with that pitch. And 138 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: I thought that was huge for Jordan, huge for the team. 139 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: Easily my favorite one of the year. And it just, 140 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: like all he said, it was perfect Cardinal baseball and 141 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: I just really enjoyed it. Nothing better in baseball than 142 00:06:58,880 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: a one oh ball game. 143 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: But you know, and you know in Libtor, my gut, 144 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 2: my goodness, we'll probably talk about him, but I just 145 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: continue to be impressed. I'll leave it at that in 146 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: case we talk about him somewhre later. 147 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: No, I continue, Yeah, the pigeon across the board, Polante 148 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: has been much better, uh, you know, the one that 149 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: actually needs to get going a little bit of sunny 150 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: gray and who would have thought that. So I was 151 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,559 Speaker 1: just really encouraged by what we saw on the road trip, 152 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: and I was talking to a couple of people within 153 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: the organization before we left, so DC feels like a 154 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: thousand years ago. But before we left for d C, 155 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: I asked a couple of people in the organization, what 156 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: are you guys, how am I supposed to valuate evaluate 157 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: you going forward? 158 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: Are you good? 159 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: Are you rebuilding? Are you somewhere in the middle? Like 160 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: what is a fair baseline to evaluate you? And the 161 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: consensus was we don't know yet, but we're gonna find 162 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: out very soon. And after the Kansas City trip, I 163 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: went up to the same people and I said, so, 164 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: I think you guys might be good. And I was 165 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: at with the same reaction with some laughter, and said like, yeah, this, 166 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 1: we're playing really good baseball here. We're changing the narrative 167 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: and for the design of the season to be defined 168 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: by player opportunity and runway. We talked about this, what 169 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: happens if some players take that opportunity and succeed and excel. 170 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: And you're seeing countless cardinals do that, and that is 171 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: really encouraging. 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Another factor that goes in as that 203 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: Ivon Herrera is not only back and healthy, he's ripping, 204 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: so the Cardinals are going to have every opportunity to 205 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: keep him in the lineup. And because Pedro Pau has 206 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: been doing such a nice job and Poso as well, 207 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: they've said the best or they thought the best way 208 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: to utilize the playing time with all these lefties is 209 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: to stick Paus behind the plate and Herrera at DH. 210 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: This leaves Burlson and Gorman, who Burlesson more than Gorman 211 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: are splitty on the bench, and I feel like up 212 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: until today Burleson providing the loan run and Sunday's loss 213 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: with the solo homer, we hadn't really seen much of them. 214 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm wondering what Ollie Marmal was going to do when 215 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: you get it when the Cardinals getting more regular, if 216 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: you will matchups with more right handed pitching, and how 217 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: he's going to balance the playing time of Gorman and 218 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: Burlison and Herrera and Walker, and that is something over 219 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: the weekend, he said, he and his staff are still 220 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: trying to figure out. 221 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: Well, I thought, first of all, you you you made 222 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 2: a great point. You know, with all these left handers, 223 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: you know Gorman, Gorman's wasn't going to play much against 224 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 2: those guys unless he was going to be used to 225 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 2: go against the you know, a couple of relievers who 226 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: are right handed. But what I thought when I was 227 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 2: thinking about it on Sunday morning, I thought, well, you know, 228 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: Oli will probably try to get Gordon to start because 229 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: you got a right hand or gone, you could play 230 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: Donovan and left you know, or you know, and you know, 231 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: and you put Gorman at second base, and so that's 232 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: you know, an her Ara d h and so Burley 233 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: would sit this one out. I'm just thinking, yeah, this 234 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: would be if you're gonna get Gorman a game, this 235 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: would probably be a spot. But no, and by the way, 236 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: I don't question that. I was just like sort of 237 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: assuming what he might what he probably would do and 238 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: so but no, I mean Gorman was on the bench 239 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: again and it's a good thing he played bursting because 240 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: he provided the only run. So you know, I was 241 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: looking at you know, like even on the road trip. 242 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: And again, absolute great point about the left handed pitchers. 243 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: But it's still kind of weird to see, you know, 244 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: he started how many games on the road He didn't 245 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 2: start many. I had a note, now I can't find it. 246 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 2: You know, he he just disappeared as the road trip 247 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: went on. You know, he was like to disappear, man, 248 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: So he's he he He appeared in four of the 249 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: nine games, but he started only two of the nine, 250 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: and overall he was one for nine, and just again 251 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 2: it was you don't you didn't you just there was 252 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: no presence whatsoever even when he did play. And listen, man, 253 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that the cheap shot im. It's it's 254 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: just true. 255 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: It's true, and it's unusual. I completely agree because I 256 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: get what the Cardinals are doing. Their offense is clicking, 257 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: and you can't take her out of the lineup. You can't. 258 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: He is one. He has your one of your top bats, 259 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: and he's he has that regardless of handedness. Regardless of opponent, 260 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: regardless of he's DH and you're catching. You need him 261 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: in there every day. 262 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: Can I give you a can? You can? 263 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: You? 264 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: Can? I give you a stat, A cute stat that 265 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: I love. I'm sorry. So before he moved into d H, 266 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: their DH is combined UH through May eighth, that's the 267 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: day before her air came back. Uh. Their DH is 268 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: in one hundred and thirty two at bats the season, 269 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: had four runs about it in good he's got he's 270 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: got seven in like twenty eight bets as a DH, 271 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: I think, right, you know, it's like, no, you can't 272 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: take him out at d H unless he's like he's 273 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: got to sit one out because something's bothering um or whatever. 274 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 2: I mean you you can't. You cannot do it. 275 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: And they're not going to. They're going to continue playing him. 276 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: So what does that mean for Walker who they want to? 277 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: You know, I think has has been swinging the bat 278 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: a little bit better. We're seeing incremental improvement, better quality 279 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: of the bats. I'm not saying he's fixed, but you're 280 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: seeing some progress. And it's always going to be a 281 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: lengthy process for Jordan Walker. So it's grant ourselves some 282 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: patience in that regard, you have Gorman, who has been 283 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: in the same boat as Walker in terms of production 284 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: and struggle, and then you have Burlison, who really has 285 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: not seen a consistent playing time at all this season, 286 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: but he continues to make a difference when he does play. 287 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: Where are the Cardinal's going to draw that line between 288 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: opportunity and runway or whatever word you want to use 289 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: for Walker and Gorman, or are they going to focus 290 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: on two other players that are absolutely part of this 291 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: transition season, just not to the degree of Gorman and Walker, 292 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: and also need to develop and produce, because Herrera and 293 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: Burlison are the better producing bets than Gorman and Walker. 294 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: Right now, I would think that of the two Walker 295 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: and Gorman, I would think that if one of them 296 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: is going to get ticketed to Memphis, it would be 297 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: Gorman first. And I don't I don't think that's recency bias. 298 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: I just think that's the way it's trending a little bit. Plus, 299 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: with Walker, you can you could even sort of do 300 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: an unofficial platoon with him in Burlison, you know, because 301 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: you don't you don't want to start. You can start 302 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: him against Burley gets left handed pitchers, but that's not ideal. 303 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: But if, but if Gorman goes down to Memphis sometime 304 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: soon as the odd man out, I mean, I think 305 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: it does give you, It does make it much easier 306 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: to make the pieces fit. And so if I had 307 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: to bet my two dollars at the at the betting window, 308 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: I would say Gorman would go. I just don't know when, right, 309 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: but it just seems like it's trending that way because 310 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: he's just not playing left handers of other or otherwise. 311 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: So and the fact that Walker hit that home run, 312 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously it was a huge blow for the team, 313 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: but for him as well. And I just was struck 314 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: by the reaction shots watching the game on TV in 315 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: the dugout and just the look on his face. You 316 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 2: could see him like almost exhale, and so you got 317 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: to give him a chance of building that now. So 318 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: here's that word again. That was like a reset moment 319 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: for him, you know, and see what he does with it. 320 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. And to be clear, I don't think 321 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are contemplating any roster moves to Memphis right now, 322 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: but there will be a time, and I'm so fascinated 323 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: to see what they do here. Where they're going to 324 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: have to choose. But if Gorman and Walker continue to 325 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: produce Gorman specifically, if if that happens, they're going to 326 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: have to choose. Do we stick to the guys that 327 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: we identified as the faces of this movement or do 328 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: we reward the guys that are playing well Like Alec, 329 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: Burlison has done a considerable job and understanding that he 330 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: is going to be the odd man out of playing time. 331 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: No matter how the Cardinals dice it up, there was 332 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: going to be somebody who they wanted to get at 333 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: bats for. That was they were not going to get 334 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: the bats for. And that was especially true when Arnatto 335 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: stayed and Burlson knew it was going to be him 336 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: as spring went on, and he had a great spring, 337 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: and with Gorman hert he got some consistent playing time 338 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: in April. But then when Gorman was healthy, they said, hey, 339 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: we're going to give him the run now. And Burlison 340 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: could have easily been pissed off or taken it personally, 341 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: or had that affect him. And talking to him, he said, 342 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: in years prior it would have he goes, but these 343 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: things work out and I've done a nice job of 344 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: staying prepared, and he has. He's done a really nice 345 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: job of staying mentally locked in knowing that he is 346 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: the better bat right now, the more productive bat from 347 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: the left side, and has done more offensively. Yet he's 348 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: going to get shafted from playing time right now. And 349 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: he's done a very nice job, at least externally of 350 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: wearing that and understanding the situation. And I wonder what 351 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: are the Cardinals going to do, because eventually they're going 352 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: to have to choose do you play the production or 353 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: do you keep going with the development and the runway 354 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: and hope something works. 355 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question and it applies to so 356 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: many areas too, because you know, you get to the 357 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: point where they if they keep winning and winning, uh, 358 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: you know, you get the trains moving down the tracks 359 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: and you can you know, what are they going to 360 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: like pause it themselves? Are they going to hit the brakes, 361 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 2: pull the emergency brake and stop the train from going 362 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 2: down the tracks because oh wait a minute's a runway season? 363 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 2: We oh, we better know, oh we got we We 364 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: can't try to win every game now, you know, we 365 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: have to make sure we have these guys in the lineup. 366 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: I mean on the face of it, it's preposterous when 367 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 2: you have a chance to be like one of these 368 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: surprises of the season, and so many of your younger 369 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 2: guys are unproven guys pitching, end and hitting are are 370 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: like really leading the charge, you know, And what point 371 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: do you? 372 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 4: Uh? 373 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: And again I'm asking like a very global question here, 374 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: but at what point do you in effect reward those guys. 375 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: It's just like, listen, you're doing a great job. You 376 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: you you fellas are just caring. You're you're setting the vibe. 377 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 2: You're setting the example, the energy, the excitement, the entertainment, 378 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 2: the competitiveness, you know. So, and listen, I know the 379 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: teammates support each other and that no one's going to 380 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: resent Nolan Gorman still being here or Walker still being here. 381 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. And I think everyone's got you know, 382 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 2: better than I do. But everyone's got a great attitude. 383 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: You pointed out how Burleson's handled it's perfect. Uh, look 384 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 2: at how Miles Michaelis is handled is perfect. There's somebody 385 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: Matt's perfect. So, but at some point, if they keep winning, 386 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: you know, you you can't, you can't. The organization itself 387 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 2: can't be the one to set up an obstacle that 388 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: might slow them down. 389 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: What are we dealing with right now? 390 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: So well, I know what, Yeah, we don't know who 391 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 2: they are. But it's funny, yeah, I mean, John Mizalic 392 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 2: has a chance to just you know, have a really 393 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 2: good farewell season. I don't know what that would be. 394 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 2: If you draw a line in the sands. Oh they 395 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: got to make the playoffs. I don't think necessarily they do, 396 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: but we'll see. I mean, uh, listen, they were six 397 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 2: games out on May the second, and even though they 398 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 2: lost a game in the standings, today they are two 399 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 2: games out and they're starting to play well on the road. 400 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: Even the pitching has been really really terrific. If I 401 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: may say this, you know, the offense, and I'm not 402 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 2: being a chicken little but there's some things that concern 403 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 2: me just a little, no pun intended. You know, Victor 404 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: Scott has has stopped hitting, and you know, Iron Auto 405 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: had some hits today, but he was having he was 406 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 2: not having a great road trip. And again, these are 407 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: these are small blocks of time. It's not but I'm 408 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: just saying. And they they got shut down a few times, 409 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: so I think maybe maybe there is going to be 410 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 2: a point. If this kind of thing continues, if the 411 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: offense continues to struggle, Uh, they're they're gonna have to 412 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 2: make sure they have like bats in the lineup, like 413 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: maybe make exceptions without losing too much defensive value. 414 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: But that's it brings It's a great segue to my 415 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: next point. This is something that I talked to Ali about. 416 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: Does the overall success of the offense right now buy 417 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: you more time with Walker and Gorman and make it 418 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: okay to sit them a little bit and be a 419 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: little bit more patient. I mean, I think it does, 420 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: but he said he's not looking at it that way. 421 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: And I understand the Cardinals have been very intentional about 422 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: what their playing time is and what their plans are. 423 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: But when you're looking at different guys stepping up and 424 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: you have Contraras doing Contraras's things, Donovan turning into one 425 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: heck of a hitter in the three hole, we mentioned Herrera, 426 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: Mason Wynn also, I think kind of going under the 427 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: radar and what he's been able to do in the 428 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: two spot. Does that give you more time? Are you 429 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: more comfortable letting Walker and Gorman continue to struggle and 430 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: hopefully they figure it out because other guys are stepping 431 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: up because I think you and I have the same question. 432 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: When do you draw that line and make that decision 433 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: of runway verst results. We talked it's going to be 434 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: the question of the season, really, and the Cardinals don't 435 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 1: have to answer this right now on mate. They probably 436 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: will have to answer it before the middle of July. 437 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: But right now, the current pace of play and how 438 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are stacking of wins has allowed them a 439 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: little bit more leeway before they make a decision. And 440 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: I don't think that, you know, I don't know if 441 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: that's the situation they were planning to have, and I, you. 442 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 2: Know, for Gorman's sake, And again I haven't looked at 443 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 2: any of the pitching matchups for the home stand, so 444 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: I'm oblivious to that. But the best thing that Gormant 445 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 2: can happen to Gorman here soon is that they have 446 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: a run of games where they do face a lot 447 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: of right handed starters, and he starts to put some 448 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: numbers up. But you know, if you if you load 449 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 2: them up pretty much every time a right hander is 450 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 2: on the mound and he's still not making any kind 451 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: of progress, you know, at some point you have to 452 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: let him regroup in Memphis. I just think, you know, 453 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: because if it's not going to happen, where he can 454 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: regroup up up here. And again, I'm like you, I 455 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: don't have a calendar out. I'm not circling any dates. 456 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: It's just something you can see and you can watch, 457 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: and you know, if he's just stressing out and he's not, 458 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,719 Speaker 2: he's just not making any progress there. There is going 459 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 2: to be a date on the calendar. The Cardinals will 460 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 2: choose that. But where it's better for him to play 461 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: every day, meeting hit every day then, you know, being 462 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 2: a guy, that's basically you know, keeping Jose Brera company 463 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 2: on the bench. Right. 464 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: Well, I just looked at the Detroit probables. Tigers still 465 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: have not announced a starter for Monday as of yef. 466 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: We probably might not. I don't know if there's gonna 467 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: be a game on Monday. Stop if you've heard this before, yeah, 468 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: rain in the forecast Google on Tuesday, So I doubt 469 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: we'll see Gorman there. And then old friend Jack Flaherty 470 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: makes his first start at Bushadium since being traded in 471 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three for the rubber match on Wednesday, So 472 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: we'll see the Tigers talk about a youth movement. They 473 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: are playing some great baseball. I think the Tigers and 474 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: the Cardinals really match up well together in terms of 475 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: how they play. They do a lot of the little 476 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: things well. They can pitch the ball. They they're fun 477 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: to watch, so I'm excited for this series. Hopefully the 478 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: rain stays away. One more segment. Let's talk a little 479 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: bit about Matthew Libertore and some pitching things that we 480 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: are seeing. First, though, we need to hear from PXG. 481 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 3: This is a straightforward show, so I'm going to be 482 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 3: very straightforward with everyone about PXG. Fastest way to improve 483 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 3: your performance on the golf course is to get yourself 484 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 3: a PXG golf fitting. Go in there and let the 485 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 3: experts help you. 486 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 5: I've been using PXG for a few years now. Scotti. 487 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 5: They are perfect. I love the way they feel. They 488 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 5: fit them perfectly to my swing. They waited at them, 489 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 5: they put grips in them, they put shafts in them, 490 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 5: they use their heads and they fit my swing beautifully. 491 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 5: They have definitely improved my game. 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Restrictions apply seasite for details. 502 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: Matthew Libertor another quality start. He goes six innings of 503 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: one run ball against the Royals with no decision, drops 504 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: his ERA to two nine to two. That's the lowest 505 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: ERA in the rotation. He's tied with Eric Fetti for 506 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: the most innings pitched outside of a range shortened start, 507 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: and his start against Philadelphia, He's notched at least six 508 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: innings and all of his starts so far this season. 509 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: He has a three point eight percent walk rate that 510 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: is one of the lowest in baseball. I believe he's 511 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: in the ninety fifth percentile, and he just continues to 512 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: get better and better with each start. When you're looking 513 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: at a transition year, I thought this quote. You can 514 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: read about it in the Athletic tomorrow from Ollie was 515 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: summed it up perfectly. I asked him why it was 516 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: important to make sure Libertor got this opportunity to be 517 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: in the rotation, and Allie said it would be a 518 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: disservice to Libertor and to what the organization was trying 519 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: to do in twenty twenty five to not see what 520 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: he could do in the rotation. And he is providing 521 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: the textbook, the blueprint on a young player having an 522 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 1: opportunity and seizing it and seeing what that upside is. 523 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: He is My favorite starts are Libby starts so far 524 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: this year. 525 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: Well, I'm with you there very much. So you know, 526 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 2: his last even with the rain hit well, I'm sorry 527 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: his start was shortened by the rain out, or not 528 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: the rain out, but the game insince nat gosh, I've 529 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,959 Speaker 2: been you know, after surviving a torpedo. I'm kind of 530 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 2: like on Sunday night, I'm frazzled, so so forgive me. No, 531 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: he's been incredible. But his last seven starts got a 532 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: one d e r A. And you mentioned his strikeout 533 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: walk ratio. It's one of the best by a starting 534 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: pitcher in baseball, which is why his fielding independent e 535 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 2: RA is in the top seven or eight of all 536 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: major league pictchers. So you got you got that going. 537 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 2: He's got that going for him. But the other thing, 538 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 2: you know, last last seven starts, like he's allowed one 539 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: home run, but he just doesn't give up gopher ball. 540 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: I mean, he just does it. And that when you're 541 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 2: not walking guys, you know you're not and he isn't 542 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 2: and you're not letting him take you deep. You know, 543 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 2: I'd say, I'd say one home run in seven starts 544 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: is pretty good, but not not letting them go to 545 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: go deep. I mean, you're a really really good picture. 546 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: And the thing that jumps out at me and and 547 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: you and others is that I think he did build 548 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 2: confidence in the really in the reliever role last year. 549 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: I did you know, he realized, hey, I can do this, 550 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 2: and he was aggressive any attack and you started to 551 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: see that side of him. But my goodness, this guy 552 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: now on the mound, you know, like the with the 553 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: Royals say, you know, they get a couple of guys 554 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 2: on right away and you know, in an inning or whatever, 555 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 2: and you know, I'm sitting there and I'm like, he's 556 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 2: got this, He'll be all right, because he's just so confident. 557 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: It's like he totally believes he can handle any situation. 558 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 2: So it's an entirely different guy that way, because he's 559 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: just filled, he's just loaded with confidence. Now there's no 560 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: self doubt whatsoever. And he's found he's obviously found ways 561 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 2: to get right handed batters out, his his pits variety 562 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: is excellent, his pit sequencing is excellent. He's really really smart. 563 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just amazing how how much of a 564 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: finished product, Sorry for the cliche, but how much of 565 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 2: a finished product he he all of a sudden is 566 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: where it all came together just like that, you know. 567 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: So I hope that he can continue because he's a 568 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: great dude, and he's been waiting a long time for 569 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 2: this chance, and he's had to have, you know, here, 570 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: years and years of like Randy Rose Arena, Randi ros arena, 571 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: you're you know, and that's not fair to him. He 572 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 2: didn't make the trade. But I know John Moselic said this, 573 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 2: and I'll shut up after this, and John Mozelle like 574 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 2: you know, said a couple times, three, three or four 575 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 2: times when I talked to him along the way, He's 576 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 2: like it was kind of like like, well, you know, 577 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 2: I don't think we should judge that trade just jet. 578 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: I think there's you know, I've I think we'll look 579 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: at it, you know, at some point down the road 580 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 2: and feel really good about it. And maybe that was 581 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: wishful thinking, but I think MO might turn out to 582 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 2: be right. You know. 583 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: I think you're spot on about Libby's confidence, and it's 584 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: evident not just from where he was in twenty four 585 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: to twenty five, but in every start so far he's 586 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: only got more and more confident. And in this profile 587 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: of Libby that comes out tomorrow again on the Athletic, 588 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: lots of good information from people that he's super close with. 589 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: You know, Dusty Blake has said his mindset, he's either 590 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: going to come into a game and he's going to 591 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: do something great, or he's going to learn from it 592 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: and half the time after things ing that doesn't go well, 593 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: or so he doesn't execute. Before I can even get 594 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: to him, he's telling me what I was going to 595 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: tell him. So he's so aware, he's hyper aware, he's 596 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: so routine oriented. He believes in the process, and he 597 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: told me, and it was just a really candid interview 598 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,239 Speaker 1: with Libby that what he went through in twenty two 599 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: and twenty three. The up and down, the back and 600 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: forth was one of the hardest things that he'd ever 601 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: experienced in his career. He wouldn't wish on anybody, but 602 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: he said that experience was invaluable, and he believes that 603 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: because he went through those things, that's why he's going 604 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: to be effective as a starter. That's why he believed 605 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: in himself. He has a completely different mindset than he 606 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: did two years ago. And credit to him for handling 607 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: that and choosing to take this path and how he 608 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: approaches it. Credit to the Cardinals for saying, hey, we 609 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: need to give this, you know, former top prospect, number 610 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: one draft pick or first round draft pick, a legitimate 611 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: shot because we haven't so far. We need to see 612 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: what his upside is and if it plays, and if 613 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: it plays, all of a sudden, we have a starting 614 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: pitcher in our organization that we didn't know we had. 615 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: And not only do you have a serviceable starting pitcher, 616 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: they have I think one of the most exciting pitchers 617 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: coming up in the National League. With Libby and John 618 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: Mozelof said, you know, in a season in spring training 619 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: based on Runway, when the Cardinals were having a staff meeting, 620 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: to figure out what the final spots of their roster 621 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: were going to be. One of the biggest questions they 622 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: had was what are they going to do with Matthew Libertor. 623 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: In a movement pushed by Allie and Dusty and backed 624 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: by everybody in the room, including Mo, it was Libby 625 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: needs to start, and most said something that was very 626 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: eye opening. We talked about runway, but Libby created his runway. 627 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: He changed his trajectory in the organization. They wanted to 628 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: reward him similar to the way they did Victor Scott. 629 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: I think they're a very good comparison Victor Scott on 630 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: the position side, Libby on the pitching side, and we're 631 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: seeing what happens when you have a player with high upside, 632 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: get the opportunity and know that they're going to perform 633 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: every single day and run with it. So while as 634 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: much as we want to see Jordan Walker Nolan Gorman 635 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: figure it out, that Matthew Libertor and Victor Scott the 636 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: second are doing so that is so so encouraging to me. 637 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. They're the breakout guys so 638 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: far this season, and there's still hope for some others, 639 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: but they've been it's really a you know, if you 640 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 2: don't mind me, this is very much related, okay to 641 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: what we're seeing the Cardinals. You know, my brother who 642 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: lives in between Baltimore and DC's and Orioles fan as 643 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 2: I was growing up, and so we were talking and 644 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 2: he was talking about I can't believe how bad the 645 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: Orioles are. I just can't believe how awful they are. Yeah, 646 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: right right, and I you know, and he and he said, 647 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: you know, I think, he said, I'm not that guy. 648 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 4: You know me. 649 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 2: He said, I think they're going to have to fire 650 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 2: hide And I said, I think so too. And I know, 651 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 2: I know that the general manager failed to build any 652 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 2: kind of rotation that matters. I really get that. But 653 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: there's still a lot of talent on that team. So 654 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: you may you and some of our viewers may say, well, 655 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 2: why the heck's he talking about the Orioles. Because what 656 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 2: I told my brother, and I do watch the Oriols 657 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: a lot, they have no identity. There's no team personality 658 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: when I watch them. Okay, all right, what like what's 659 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: their approach on offense? Like what are they trying to do? 660 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: What have they have? How have they shaped their hitters 661 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 2: in terms of like, all right, this is what we do, 662 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: This is what we want to do, this is our approach. 663 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 2: Are they a running team or are they a power team? 664 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: Are they a base running team? I like, who are they? 665 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 2: They have no identity? Right, none? And so I told 666 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 2: my brother this and I said, you know, contrast that 667 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: to Saint Louis. I said, because all manager can do 668 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 2: is get the best out of what he has. And 669 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: I told my brother, I said, you know, because he 670 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,239 Speaker 2: watches the Cardinals too, and I said, think about the 671 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 2: Cardinals team. They're the exact opposite of that Baltimore team. 672 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: This team has an identity. This team you can count 673 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 2: on them to play with like very very high level 674 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: of energy, very intense competitively. Yet they there's a joy 675 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 2: to their game. They're always smiling, there's a personality. And 676 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: so I thought the failure of the Orioles and their manager. 677 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: You know, because I watched both of those teams, it 678 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 2: made me appreciate what Ali Marvel and these coaches and 679 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 2: these players are doing in Saint Louis. They don't have 680 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 2: the talent of the Baltimore Orioles. I think maybe pitching 681 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 2: wise they do, but offensively they don't. I mean, the 682 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 2: Orioles have all these you know, after years a draft 683 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 2: in first, second, third, fourth, fifth in the draft, you 684 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 2: know there's no way they should be worse than the Garden. 685 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: It's much worse. I think that's a good I think 686 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: that's a good reflection on the coaches and the manager here. 687 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: And I don't think the coaching staff is getting enough 688 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: credit because it can be Obviously it's on the players 689 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: to execute. But when you talk to them lately, the 690 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: first thing they do is credit the staff for the 691 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: game prep and the positioning. We talked to Brendan Donovan 692 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: Saturday night, player of the game. He saved the game defensively, 693 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: and the first thing he said was, I think I 694 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: need to go out and say, like, credit to the staff. 695 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: They have made sure we are so prepared the season. 696 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: And when you think about where the Cardinals were heading 697 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: into the year and the overall vibe of the organization, 698 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: it could have been so easy to let that seep 699 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: into the clubhouse and just kind of have that apathy 700 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: wash over. But those young guys said, hey, you know what, 701 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: just because people aren't counting us to play doesn't mean 702 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: that we can't. We can go out there and we 703 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: can ball, we can learn some things. And the more 704 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: a young club bonds like that earlier in the season, 705 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: the better they're going to get. And I will say, 706 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: after Saturday night's game, a couple of my friends in 707 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: the industry texted me and said, are you ready to 708 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: cover the playoffs this year? I said, don't put that 709 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: on me in May. Don't put that on May. But 710 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: who would have thought that would even be in the 711 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: realm of possibilities to be discussing six weeks into the season. 712 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 2: Well, the run deferential jumps out at you, really, and 713 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 2: you know the fact that they've have so many wins 714 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 2: over teams that right now have a winning record, and 715 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 2: now they're starting to win on the road, and they 716 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 2: have some they have some depth, they're building some depth 717 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 2: in the bullpen, and they even have back up in 718 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 2: the rotation if they needed so. I mean, there's a 719 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 2: lot of good things happening now, and we've already learned 720 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 2: about this team that they can handle getting knocked down, 721 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 2: getting flattened. Yes, I mean before they before April twenty 722 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 2: fifth is when they started to turning around. I mean 723 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 2: they were ten and fifteen. I mean the only team 724 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 2: worse than the National League was Colorado. The Cardinals and 725 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 2: the Pirates had the same record, So that could have 726 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 2: been something that would like, if not crush a young team, 727 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 2: could have like really messed them up and made it 728 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 2: hard for them to kind of have that immediate bounce 729 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 2: back that's they do. They do so in other words, well, 730 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 2: what happens if they go through a stretch where they 731 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 2: get beat up a little bit, Well, we've already seen 732 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: that they handled it really well. They punched back with 733 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 2: very in a very impressive way. So I think they 734 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: have shown that they know how to deal with stuff 735 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,720 Speaker 2: when it's not going good at all, and that's something 736 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 2: that I have some faith in them to be able 737 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 2: to do that throughout the season. But they're gonna have 738 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 2: some bad phases. Everybody does. But I know, I really 739 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 2: really like watching this team. 740 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: And I think it's better to struggle in April and 741 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 1: succeed in May than vice versa, because now that you've 742 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: seen what it looks like and you've seen their ability 743 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: to rebound, I think it's just easier to buy in. 744 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: So let's see these cars can keep it going. They've 745 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: done a nice job so far. They're back at Bushadium 746 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: for six games. Three versus Detroit off day on Thursday, 747 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: three versus Diamondbacks should be two very compelling series, whether permitting. 748 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: Speaking of whether Saint Louis, I know it's been a 749 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: really brutal weekend, very tough. Just getting back to town 750 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: about an hour ago and driving through Forest Park or 751 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: around Forest Park and seeing the destruction around there. You've 752 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: been affected. Hope hopefully everything is safe and good in 753 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: your world. If you've been affected, We're thinking of you. 754 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: Many different resources available online for those of you who 755 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: need help or looking to help. One thing I've learned 756 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: in my time in Saint Louis this is a community 757 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: that really comes together in terms of crisis and emergencies. 758 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: So stick with it, hug your loved ones, and enjoy 759 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: this recent stretch of Cardinals baseball because it has been 760 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: super fun. Burning out you know time. 761 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 2: I'm sorry Katan times with this too. This is where 762 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 2: sports can be really valuable, can can get your mind 763 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 2: off your troubles, even for two or three hours a night. 764 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 2: So anyway, I think the Cardinals have maybe maybe even 765 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 2: over the weekend, helped that out a little bit. Maybe 766 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 2: that's presumptuous to me to say, but I know going forward, 767 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 2: they'll be in a position to sort of boost the 768 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 2: morale of the community. And they're good they're good citizens 769 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 2: that way too. So anyway, yeah, well said by you. 770 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 2: I just wanted to add to it. Thank you. 771 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: Let's see, I thank you. Keep it going, Bernie. I'm 772 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: excited for it, and I'm interested also to see what 773 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,919 Speaker 1: the fan turnout looks like now that they're winning ball games. 774 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: And to be fair, I don't think on Monday, Tuesday, 775 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: Wednesday interleague series with rain in the forecast all three 776 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: days will be a good measurement of attendance. But I 777 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: think the weather is going to be a little bit 778 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: better this weekend. D bex are a good club, so 779 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 1: let's see. Let's see it Bush looks a little more 780 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: full this wee. 781 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I was gonna joke that, you know, like 782 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 2: a couple of the biggest crowds I've seen all year 783 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 2: Cardinals fans were in Kansas City's ballpark, So yeah, maybe 784 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 2: maybe bad joke. Had it was there, I had I 785 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 2: had to take a swing. Now, I hope, I hope, 786 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 2: I hope we'll start to see the see a red reappear. 787 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: I hope so too. Be good for baseball makes for 788 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: a much more fun summer for Bernie. I'm Katie. This 789 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: is Cardinal Territory. We're back with you with three more 790 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: episodes next week. Thank thank you, as always for listening, 791 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: and Stacy out there.