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Speaker 1: Welcome to Friday's indition to Big Blue Kickoff Live here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com. He is Jeff Feagles. I'm Lance Metal.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: been very busy. There's been multiple transactions. Just to give

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Speaker 1: you the layout of the land. Two are unofficial. Marcus

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Speaker 1: Golden Golden Tate unofficial. We understand you're seeing reports out there,

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Speaker 1: but the Giants have not commented nor made anything official

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Speaker 1: with respect to that. So you have to understand that

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Speaker 1: as you call in and you want to weigh on that. However,

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Speaker 1: what is official, Jeff, and this is the latest transaction.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday afternoon, they signed veteran safety Antoine Bethet, who's a

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Speaker 1: three time Pro bowler. He's been with a few teams,

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Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl with the Colts. Most recently, he

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Speaker 1: was with the Arizona Cardinals in two thousand seventeen and eighteen.

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Speaker 1: And here's where we get to the connections. He spent

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Speaker 1: one season in Arizona with James Betcher, is the d

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, lead the team and interceptions that season had five.

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Speaker 1: And to me, what's intriguing about Biffet because you know,

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Speaker 1: whenever we talk about safeties, Jeff, everybody wants to align

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Speaker 1: them either as a free safety or a strong safety.

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of guys in this league, as

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Speaker 1: you well know, they can easily play both positions. But

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Speaker 1: Fay is one of those players. He's been around the

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Speaker 1: sponts of the secondary. He's big enough to play both

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Speaker 1: um and he's a good tackler. He's a three time

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Speaker 1: Pro bowler, so that tells you something about the way

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Speaker 1: that he plays football. Excuse me, I think the most

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Speaker 1: important thing here is that is the familiarization with the defense.

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Speaker 1: You know, he switched his teams, so but you know,

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Speaker 1: playing with Betchery, this will be recollection at its best.

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Speaker 1: He'll come back here and he's gonna understand this. What's

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Speaker 1: nice about the safety position in Betcher's offense or defense

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Speaker 1: is that he's kind of like the other quarterback on

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Speaker 1: the field, a lot like Landon Collins was. You saw

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Speaker 1: him coming up in the box and moving guys around

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Speaker 1: this and that he will take over that role. And

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Speaker 1: James Butcher's defense, which is a good thing. So it's

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Speaker 1: essentially him and Jabrill Peppers right now as it appears.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that there's not going to be more competition,

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Speaker 1: but all likelihood, you have two new safeties at both

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Speaker 1: lot of youth, and you've got you know, Antoine Butte

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Speaker 1: is thirty five years old, okay, And I saw an

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Speaker 1: interview on Big Blue Kickoff for Big our website and

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Speaker 1: the Giants dot com. You know everybody, he said, everybody

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Speaker 1: talks about his age, but you know, age is a number. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's things that go with age, but you know what

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Speaker 1: I think that that that's gonna help now Jabrill Peppers.

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Speaker 1: Not only are you getting a quality safety, you're getting

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Speaker 1: a good return man and a guy that's very physical

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Speaker 1: and fast. Um, I think he's gonna this is a

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Speaker 1: good combination of what you need to see. And I

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Speaker 1: will tell you that you know he can. He's a

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Speaker 1: sure tackler. Um, but he is. He's your true free

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Speaker 1: safety if you will. And he's been moved around too.

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Speaker 1: To your point, he's played even a little corner. He's

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Speaker 1: It was one of the things I actually pointed out

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Speaker 1: on social media, Jeff when we found out that Peppers

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Speaker 1: it goes to show you how important that that position

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Speaker 1: that's going to help them. Yeah, because you look at

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. And I think it's a

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Speaker 1: Age is just a number, as we always hear that cliche,

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Speaker 1: but production is what matters. And he may be approaching

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Speaker 1: the veteran leader. That's what matters, more so than people

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Speaker 1: throwing out a random major year because he also led

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not comparing Landing Collins. I'm just

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Speaker 1: a lot of times guys come in a free agency

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Speaker 1: He certainly has played a k believe it or not,

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Speaker 1: Not never made the Pro Bowl. But to your point,

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Speaker 1: to get them on another contract. You're not getting a

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Speaker 1: bulk of your free agents on the second year contract.

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Speaker 1: In fact, probably none of them are going to be

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Speaker 1: on a second you know, it's very unlikely, correct, you know,

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Speaker 1: unless you sign the guy, unless you sign year old

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Speaker 1: guy exactly and he's worthy of the next thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: he becomes a perennial All Pro and it's like wow, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you have to build through the draft, and that's

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Speaker 1: kind of what Dave Gentleman and his staff and in

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Speaker 1: this organization are are doing. They're gonna build this roster

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Speaker 1: to the draft. We talked about it the other day.

437
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Speaker 1: How many guys are left on this roster after the

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Speaker 1: season ended last year from the year before less than

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Speaker 1: ten single digits. This roster is evolving continuously and it

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Speaker 1: will again this year. Okay. So um, when you know,

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Speaker 1: you start to look at the offense and where where

442
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Speaker 1: some some positions are gonna there's not a lot on

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Speaker 1: offense when you think other than the offensive line, mean

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Speaker 1: wide receiver position. They just you know, with with Golden Tate,

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Speaker 1: if if he does end up signing here officially, then

446
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Speaker 1: that's that's a huge, huge, uh component to this offense.

447
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 1: Running back position, you still got the running back. Quarterback

448
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Speaker 1: is the only quarterback is the one that everybody has

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Speaker 1: to talk about. Well, of course, I mean it goes

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Speaker 1: without saying it's most important position. And people think that

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks alone win and lose games. So god forbid, we

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Speaker 1: consider some other aspect of the team. But this whole

453
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Speaker 1: direction seems to be to to your point to what

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Speaker 1: we discussed earlier, build it up through the draft, get

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Speaker 1: some youth here, complementary veteran free agents to round out

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Speaker 1: the row stair. And you brought up the term tanking,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad you did. Before we open up the

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Speaker 1: phone line, neither do I. But the reason I'm glad

459
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Speaker 1: you brought it up there's a lot of people that

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Speaker 1: love to psycho analyze the press conference, which is another

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite activities. I mean, I can't get

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Speaker 1: it off. Let's spend thirty minutes analyzing one answer at

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Speaker 1: a press conference. So since there's a lot of you

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Speaker 1: that love to do that, I'm gonna now feed into

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Speaker 1: this frenzy Jeff. At the Combine, Dave Gettleman was asked

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Speaker 1: about scouting the quarterback class and maybe waiting till next

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Speaker 1: year to draft a quarterbacks. So I want to read

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Speaker 1: his response because he then threw in the whole tanking

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Speaker 1: narrative in with that. Since everybody loves to analyze answers

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Speaker 1: at a press conference, it's an interesting question. I think

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you can't say to yourself,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get him next year. Referring to the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you evaluate the cues, you take the guy when you

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Speaker 1: believe he's the guy and it's at the right spot.

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Speaker 1: You can't worry about the future because now someone else

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Speaker 1: is going to say, well, in two years, there are

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Speaker 1: a couple of college quarterbacks that are coming out that

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Speaker 1: are really amazing. Who knows. I look at the NBA

479
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Speaker 1: and everybody says, you've got a tank, We're going to tank,

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Speaker 1: We're going to get this great player. What NBA team

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Speaker 1: has tanked and it's worked because they think they're going

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Speaker 1: to get a player. So then one of the reporters

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Speaker 1: screams out the sixers. So then gentleman quickly responds, when

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Speaker 1: they win a championship, we can have a discussion. But

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Speaker 1: until that happens, it has it worked. So at the

486
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Speaker 1: end of the day, if the right guy is there

487
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Speaker 1: at the right time, who we think is the right

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Speaker 1: guy will pull the plug. End quote. I want to

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Speaker 1: read you one more quote before we open up the

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Speaker 1: phone lines. A little bit dated. Not something that happened yesterday,

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Speaker 1: but November seventeen, President and CEO John Mara, when the

492
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Speaker 1: whole thing occurred with Eli Manning, and they decided to

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Speaker 1: give Geno Smith a start, and so forth day in history,

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Speaker 1: John Mara was asked this question. It was indeed, this

495
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Speaker 1: was this was the question. Is there a concern that

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Speaker 1: when you take Manning out it sends a message to

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Speaker 1: the team that you are not trying to win? Okay?

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Speaker 1: This was his response, quote, Well, that's not the case. Again,

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Speaker 1: we're two and nine, We're still going to try to

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Speaker 1: win the games. I read something somewhere about are we

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Speaker 1: going to tank the rest of the season. That's complete.

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Speaker 1: I'm using the PG thirteen version b s. I would

503
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Speaker 1: never allow that here. We're going to try to win

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Speaker 1: the games. We're just going to have to try to

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Speaker 1: do it with a different guy at quarterback. End quote. So,

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Speaker 1: once again, I'm not telling you to read much into

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Speaker 1: any of these comments and just we're giving you exact

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Speaker 1: quotations from members of the Giants front office with respect

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Speaker 1: to this narrative that it's a rebuild, it's a tank,

510
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Speaker 1: no desire to win. The goal is to get the

511
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Speaker 1: first overall pick, count the lottery balls. Hopefully Zion Williamson

512
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Speaker 1: can play wide receiver next year. I mean this stuff

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Speaker 1: that constantly we hear all right, that's the voice of

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Speaker 1: the Giants Front office. A reminder, Big Blue Kigoff Life

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Speaker 1: Open up the phone lines two zero, one, five, one

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Speaker 1: three the festivities again with Ron in Florida. Ron, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Big Blue kig Off Live. What do you have

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Speaker 1: for us? Hey? Thanks guys, the first time with you. Guys.

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Speaker 1: I hope I'm not taking Charlie's place. Well, it depends

522
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Speaker 1: on what you say. You're probably hoping I am. But anyways,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say I'm over the morning period

524
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Speaker 1: and I'm into an excitement period now with all the

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Speaker 1: twelve draft picks that we should be able to load

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Speaker 1: up on our big Milley's on the offense line, defensive line,

527
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Speaker 1: and major on that this year. I believe ELI is

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Speaker 1: still good for two more years and then look into

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Speaker 1: next year. Like Biagle said that, he uh, we have

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Speaker 1: a lot of you know, money to use next year

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Speaker 1: ago free agency, but put a first in a second

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Speaker 1: or maybe a couple of birds together for our franchised

533
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Speaker 1: quarterback fore uh hebrew or to uh, next year and

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Speaker 1: we should be on our way after that. I'm really

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Speaker 1: psyched about it. Well, you're one of the few that

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Speaker 1: i've heard it's been very excited about what is going on. Which,

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Speaker 1: you know what, though, I'm with you, Listen, I think

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Speaker 1: that I'm patient. I think this thing is gonna get

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Speaker 1: turned around. I'm excited about how the offense can still

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Speaker 1: um work as it did towards the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: And I'm a believer in Eli at least for one

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Speaker 1: more year. Um just give him a chance to get

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Speaker 1: some protection around him like he did at the end

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Speaker 1: of the year, and we'll see what happens. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: Golden Tate, Golden Tate is it is a very interesting

546
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Speaker 1: sign because the guy can play slot, he can play outside.

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Speaker 1: He's predominantly an outside receiver. Everybody thinks he's a big

548
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Speaker 1: slot receiver because he's moved around throughout the course. But

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Speaker 1: you know he's he's gonna be He's gonna be him

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Speaker 1: and Sterling Shepherd. That's a good combination. I mean, is

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Speaker 1: it Odell and Shepherd? No, But we can't compel, compare

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham to to to Tate. We just need a

553
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Speaker 1: veteran receiver to get in here, and they did well.

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Speaker 1: One other question, just quick. I'm a big acute orange

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Speaker 1: being uh steno baber uh my man, and they have

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Speaker 1: a defensive tackle there if we could get maybe in

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Speaker 1: a fourth or fifth Chris Slayton, what do you think

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Speaker 1: about that? Well, I don't know much about him, but

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Speaker 1: I know that they've got what is it one round?

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Speaker 1: They have three? Is the fourth round or the fifth round? Well,

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Speaker 1: they've got twelve picks. They got three in the fifth round.

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Speaker 1: If every week I'll bring up the exact laundry list

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Speaker 1: of picks, you know what. But hey, you know that's

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Speaker 1: a good right here. They've got three in the fifth round,

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Speaker 1: two and the fourth two ones at two or three,

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Speaker 1: A six and two sevens. That's the breakdown. Maybe he's

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Speaker 1: still around there, you know that. But to answer you

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Speaker 1: a question, and Ron will let you go on that

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Speaker 1: note and appreciate the phone call. Going after defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a stretch at all. I think

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Speaker 1: there's a golden opportunity for the Giants to really add

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Speaker 1: some depth at that position and to give James Petcher

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Speaker 1: a rotational group of lineman slash linebackers that he could

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Speaker 1: utilize help stop the run and get after the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: It's the definition of a strong defensive unit in today's NFL.

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Speaker 1: It's not about having four great starters, three great linebackers,

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Speaker 1: or vice versa, depending on your scheme, Jeff. It's about

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Speaker 1: having eight, nine, ten different guys that you could keep

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Speaker 1: fresh and by the time you get to the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 1: you're not putting somebody in a position like if you

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Speaker 1: recalled Jeff. A few years ago, when Spaggs was forced

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Speaker 1: to play JPP and Vernon what like the snaps and

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Speaker 1: he was asked about that, and Spaggs was up front,

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Speaker 1: he said, I take them off the field. The productivity

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Speaker 1: is not the same. Why would I put my defense

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Speaker 1: in that precarious spot? And I'm paraphrasing his words, but

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Speaker 1: why do you ever want to put a defensive coordinator

588
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Speaker 1: in that position? Well, unfortunately, the depth that they thought

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00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: was there, they weren't very good football players. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: go after a guy in the fourth round and draft

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Speaker 1: him from Syracuse whatever it is. Fourth round is that

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Speaker 1: round where you know you're using a keeper At fourth round,

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Speaker 1: fifth through seventh, you know, it's kind of a little

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Speaker 1: bit here and there, but one through four, especially your

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00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: first three, you gotta hit on those. And we've talked

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Speaker 1: about this many many times. Those you've got to hit

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Speaker 1: on those three first three rounds, and you're hoping that

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Speaker 1: you're you're going to get most of them into a

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Speaker 1: second contract eventually, because if you do that over and

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Speaker 1: over and over, those are your you know, the best

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Speaker 1: players that your D whatever it is, D six hund sick.

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Speaker 1: That's when you need to hit on those things. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: those are the best players in the draft. Those are

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Speaker 1: the guys you want to be able to bring on

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Speaker 1: your team and sign long term because you get them

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Speaker 1: as a free excuse me, as young young rookies. And

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Speaker 1: then was it fourth first round? Is what? Five? Four years?

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Speaker 1: Four years second through down? Four year contract? I mean

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Speaker 1: you could go back and look at look at the

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Speaker 1: players and the Giants and we're what teams are. How

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Speaker 1: many of them have saw their second contracts? Oh, I

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Speaker 1: mean not a lot, Jeff, And no, that's what I

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Speaker 1: was actually just gonna bring up because I brought up

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Speaker 1: the Giants draft history and and basically compliment then your

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Speaker 1: point the importance of hitting at home in those first

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Speaker 1: three rounds is Dave Gettiman understands this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: his second draft. But you look at now the departure

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Speaker 1: of Odell Beckham and Landon Collins. Beckham was the final

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Speaker 1: remaining drafted player from two thousand fourteens class, Jeff, so

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Speaker 1: nobody on the Giants is from the two thousand fourteen

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Speaker 1: class anymore. Collins was the last guy from the two

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Speaker 1: thousand fifteen class. Now remember Gettleman did not draft any

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Speaker 1: of those players, he has no ties to them. So

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Speaker 1: fourteen and fifteen the classes are completely gone. Then you

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Speaker 1: go to sixteen. Shepherd is still here. B J. Goodson

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Speaker 1: is still here, Paul Perkins is still here. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: three from sixteen then seventeen have An Ingraham is still here,

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Speaker 1: David Tomlinson is still here, Wayne Goldman is still here,

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Speaker 1: and Avery Moss was on the practice squad, so I'll

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Speaker 1: include him. So you have seven players from sixteen and seventeen,

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Speaker 1: and now eighteen was Gettleman's first draft class. So he understands. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I want to build through the draft, but I also

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Speaker 1: want to get to a point where as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: guys are earning second contracts and I can present a

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Speaker 1: core and nucleus to the coaching staff to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have three or four years or so to

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Speaker 1: work with these guys and hopefully then we could keep

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Speaker 1: that group together. The Giants have not had that luxury

639
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Speaker 1: because a number of these draft picks have not panned out,

640
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: have not earned second contracts to your point, So that's

641
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Speaker 1: why there's been so much player movement. And when you

642
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: have a lot of player movement, you're challenging yourself in

643
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: terms of building continuity. Jeff, And you know that you've

644
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: been on a variety of teams during your NFL career.

645
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: You have guys jumping from team the team. They're learning

646
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: one defense, one offense one year, and then all of

647
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: a sudden they had a new playbook to follow. You.

648
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: It's very difficult. I mean, earlier in my career we

649
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: didn't have free agency, so guys kind of start. The

650
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: dynamics are a little bit different, of course. And if

651
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Speaker 1: you look at those seven, sixteen, and seventeen draft picks

652
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: that are still on the team and look at what

653
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: rounds those guys are, that's another thing to you. It's

654
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: important that you see, you know where those guys were

655
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: were They won through four. Where were they from? Meaning

656
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: the key playmakers? So the guys are still on the

657
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Speaker 1: team that you said in sixteen and seventeen sixty seventeen

658
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: left correct, they're done. Shepherds are two Goodsons of four,

659
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: Perkins is a five, Angrams a one, tomlinsons of two,

660
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: Goldman's of four, Mosses of five. So you got two

661
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Speaker 1: fours and two fives out of seven guys, was it correct?

662
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: So you know, and those fours and fives, that's a

663
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: that's those are good. You've actually yeah, you've found two

664
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Speaker 1: of those guys that are still around. But you want

665
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: one to three one year, one to three another And

666
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm trying to get at is where

667
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: are your one, twos and threes in those groups? And

668
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: that's where Gettleman now has to say to himself, Hey,

669
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: we need to restore that. And now let's go back

670
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: to last year's draft and looked one through four. Let's

671
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: just see those guys. Okay, we can go down if

672
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: you can help me here. Land Parkley Okay, yeah, he's

673
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 1: a keeper. Hernandez okay, do you have two starters right

674
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: there to playrenz o'carter started to develop later on but played,

675
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: and he's played enough that now they want to see

676
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: him taking a new sew and b J. Hill's daughter.

677
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: So three out of the four started predominantly as there

678
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Speaker 1: you go. So there's kind of that production. And I

679
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: don't think anybody can tell you that that I wasn't

680
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: a good draft. Early results have been certainly positive. There's

681
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: no doubt about that, and which kind of goes to my, my,

682
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: my whole theory. Just be patient here, I mean, gentleman,

683
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: is he as much as a lot of people. I

684
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: don't know if there's a written plan upstairs where it

685
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: says down to the line, like on March fifteenth, this

686
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: is what we're gonna do. There's a piece of loose lea.

687
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: You've got to believe that every organization has a plan,

688
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: but every organization has to has to you know, the

689
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: plan changes. It's very fluid. So I gotta think that

690
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: these guys have an idea what they want to do

691
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: in the direction that they want this team to go.

692
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: What happens is the fan base wants to their way

693
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Speaker 1: to do it, and the and the organization who's actually

694
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: it's their company, are running it the way they want

695
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: to are not always the public opinion is not always

696
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Speaker 1: going to be popular. But you know what, sometime as

697
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: you need an executive that's willing to make the unpopular decision.

698
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: And you saw it, you saw this year well, and

699
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, just bringing this full circle before we reopen

700
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Speaker 1: up the phone lines, I think what people need to

701
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: understand is, Jeff and I just laid out the importance

702
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: of bringing in youth and rebuilding up the draft supply

703
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: by sometimes parting ways which are difficult decisions, Jeff. To

704
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: your point with name commodities, it frees you up to

705
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: address multiple areas as opposed to saying we're gonna lock

706
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: up a lot of our money with three to four guys,

707
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: but then we're gonna rely on unproven commodities to help

708
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Speaker 1: round out the rest of the roster instead Dave Gettleman's

709
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: philosophy as well. If I free up the money, then

710
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: I can have a lot more depth and substance across

711
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Speaker 1: the board, as opposed to feeling really good about maybe

712
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: two or three positions Jeff, and then sort of being

713
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: so so elsewhere and listen, this this is not this

714
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: can backfire on you too, and in exact science across

715
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Speaker 1: the board and by the way this like like like players,

716
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: coaches in general managers and they get fired too. If

717
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: things don't work out, then you're you're gone. But you

718
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: gotta put faith in your system and you gotta believe

719
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: that your system is gonna work and you're gonna do

720
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: it your way. And or they say it's the highway,

721
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: it's my way or the highway, Well, if it's if

722
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: it's if your way doesn't work, you'll beyond that highway.

723
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: Trust me. Absolutely. We want to remind you. Big Blue

724
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: Kickoff Live is presented by Corps Light. Download the cores

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726
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: reopen up the phone lines. Joshua is in Brooklyn. He

727
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: joins us here Joshua off Live. What's happened to josh Hey, guys,

728
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: some long time no talk. I think last time I spoke, Um,

729
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: it was really on the Landing Collins issue un media

730
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: A year ago. Oh a year ago? Okay, yeah, but

731
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: um yeah, So my deal is, um, yeah, there's a

732
00:34:54,160 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: whole lot that happened the last few days. Huh so yeah. Uh.

733
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: The Giants had a whole lot of needs going into

734
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: this season. I mean going to into this offseason. We

735
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: need pass rushers, We need another running back behind Barkley.

736
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but if Barkley goes out, goes off into

737
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: the bench, and the running game seems like non existent,

738
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: you need somebody or maybe you need a better offensive line.

739
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: My hope is both, Um, you need. I even realized

740
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: we were down to wide receivers before the trade. Um,

741
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: they didn't resign that togy Cody Latimer, Um you somewhere

742
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: out there in the wild. Yeah. Um, And I forgot

743
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: the other shepherd. He hasn't been resigned. I don't Yeah.

744
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: So um, So I was thinking that could be a

745
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: very strange, that could be like a creeping up need.

746
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: And granted, you trade one of the best wide receivers

747
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: in the league. And um, my biggest, my biggest gripe

748
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: with the whole thing is just the waiting game, really,

749
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: because it's not that it's not that you know, it's

750
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: not just about trading Beckham. It's really about figuring out

751
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: how you're going to replace that production or fill in

752
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: these holes because now it just seems like everything is

753
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: falling apart, at least by what the media likes to

754
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: call it. Um, But I do like to point out

755
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: that you know, we do have like over ten draft

756
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: picks with like four in the top one. So that's

757
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: kind of like a big deal, a really really really

758
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: big deal. Well, there's a lot of resources. Number one. Well,

759
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: and listen, here's the other point. The other point with

760
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: respect to Beckham, and no doubt about it, you don't

761
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: just duplicate his production the blue sky. Okay, I'm that's

762
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: not when I'm making it sound like you're but they

763
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: have had a lot of experience with him not on

764
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: the field, meaning they've had an opportunity to evaluate, Okay,

765
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: what are the things the offense does when he's not here?

766
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: What are we missing or what do we do well

767
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: when he is here? And so forth. They've had time

768
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: to evaluate that over last season, over the talent of

769
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: this year, So it's not as if they're going into

770
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: the land of the unknown. There's been life without Beckham

771
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: even when he's been on the roster correct, So so

772
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: that I think has helped them in terms of the

773
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: evaluation process. It doesn't mean that the answers are going

774
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: to be simple, That's not what I'm making it sound like.

775
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: But you have visual evidence of this is what we

776
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: do well this is what we don't do well when

777
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham is not on the field. Ye. And I

778
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: was thinking, Um, you know while before the trade that

779
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, the Giants might need to pick somebody up

780
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: from the draft. Um, And now Odell is gone, I'm

781
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: just thinking, maybe that's so about I'll take him. Um. Yeah, Yeah,

782
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: he's a freak break um like specimen guys like Um.

783
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: Only downside for me is I think he might be

784
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: like the third best wide receiver coming out of the draft.

785
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: Who's the other two? Um, like in terms of people

786
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: that just really impressed me. Um. And it's and it's

787
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: the weirdest and it's kind of strange. I know that

788
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like they really kind of pop out.

789
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: But guys like Kelvin Harmon out of NC State. Now,

790
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: I know Dave Gentleman is probably not too hot on

791
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: drafting another wide receiver named Kelvin. But um, but the

792
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: guy is like, he's he's he's one of the best

793
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: body controls that I've ever seen. Adjustment to the ball

794
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: is crazy, Like he catch he goes for those contested catches. Um.

795
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: And I guess yes, I'm a little biased towards Eli

796
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: on this one the back shoulders said he he does

797
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: it grafted. He's not the only one who does it

798
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: as guys like Deebo, Samuel and and kill Harry to

799
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: people who I also am very high on. Um, you know,

800
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: but in terms of he has efficient footwork, Um, the

801
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: guy just has a focus. He has an alpha mentality

802
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: that just really like I love guys with alpha mentalities

803
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: in the football field. Well, I don't think it's a

804
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: stretch to say that they may draft a wide receiver.

805
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't think that's I think it's very possible. They've

806
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: got enough volume of picks to do that. So it's

807
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: very and I'm not able to do And I'm not

808
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: saying and I'm not saying that he's going to be

809
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: like a number one or drapped him with the seventeen.

810
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: I ain't saying any of that. I'm just saying that,

811
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, um, there are a few guys out there

812
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: that people are just kind of overlooking because of DK Metcalf.

813
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: And I ain't knocking DK Metcalf. He could have like

814
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: a better career in Calvin Johnson for all I know. Um,

815
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: you know, but you know, there's just certain players that

816
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: just kind of stick out to me and I, um,

817
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: and I guess this. I guess um. We're all going

818
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: to be looking at wide receiver takes for a while,

819
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: so you guys will be able to figure out who

820
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: you like um going into the draft. But um, yeah,

821
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: check out those guys like Um and Kill, Harry Ego,

822
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: Samuel um Harmon and even de Marcus Lodge the third

823
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: wide receivers. There's plenty of depth in this draft, there's

824
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: no doubt. Bad. Listen, Josh, we're gonna let's go on

825
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: that note, get to a number of more phone calls

826
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Speaker 1: as we make our way here through bb KL. I

827
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Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised that the Giants take a

828
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Speaker 1: wide receiver in this draft. I really do. I'm with you.

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00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the depth and the guys

830
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: that are there. Um obviously have you have if once

831
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: Golden Tate signs and you get Chirp Shepherd, Hey, listen,

832
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: those are two good guys. But you need depth there,

833
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: and we always know what the fourth and the fifth

834
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: receivers are. They gotta play special teams, so young guys

835
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: come in, they like that. That's what they usually do.

836
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: They'll play special teams and learn how to be a

837
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: ride receiver under the current program. Well, and you need competition.

838
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: Remember the roster goes to ninety. So it's not as

839
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: if they're gonna have themselves at a position where, oh

840
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: my god, you know we we can't have room to

841
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: bring in another wide receiver. There's ample opportunity to do that,

842
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: in ample space for them to do that. So you

843
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: want to bring in some competition because it just makes

844
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: the back end of your depth chart that much better.

845
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the lines. Doug is in Rochester. Doug,

846
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: welcome to board. What do you got for us? Hey,

847
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: I want a couple of things I really heard about O'Dell.

848
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: You know, it took a lot of me, but I

849
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: get it. You know, it's twelve picks and they got

850
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: more money to spend next year. But I want to

851
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: talk about Study Shepherd and having him now, Study Shepherd,

852
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: has he ever been close to catching sixty ball, seventy

853
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: balls the season and coming close to the thousand yards?

854
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: Can you tell me that, Lance? What I don't understand

855
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: others ever still in the field. I know he hasn't

856
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: come close, So I want to know about Study Shepherd.

857
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: I won't think he would come close to catching seven

858
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: or eighty passes. Has he Well, he's never been the

859
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: number one receiver, so it's been difficult for him to

860
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: get that game he catches. Okay, Okay, that you just

861
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: said it. He has not come close to you take

862
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: cold Dell away ETI is still there that you take

863
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: away that. So he did not have to get a

864
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: receiver if he at least touch seven passes. Passing game,

865
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: they need a passing game. Hold on, when you look

866
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: at his stats, can you bring down calm down? First

867
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: of all, I brought up his numbers here. Okay, let's

868
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: at least evaluate the facts here before we go crazy.

869
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: Shepard had sixty five catches in two thousand sixteen. That's

870
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: close to seven he had in two thousand sixteen, six six, five,

871
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: Then he had sixty six this past season. He played

872
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: sixteen games in both of those campaigns. He had fifty

873
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: nine in seventeen. He missed five games that year. So

874
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: he's been close. He's been on the horizon of seventy

875
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: and it's not crazy to think he'll move up the

876
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: depth chart. You figure his targets, I think will probably

877
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: stay in that hundred area, the low hundreds, which he's

878
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: been around, but you figure maybe he'll get a few more.

879
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's crazy to think that he

880
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: can't get to seventy consistently. You have to add another series.

881
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: You have to add another receiver in that seventy range too,

882
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: because that I know he hasn't been close as the

883
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: tag end. So I know he's been hard and he's

884
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: never been close to that. So you guys keep talking

885
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: about I don't think you're gonna find a receiver in

886
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: the third round. Like, but here's the thing you can say.

887
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: You could say the same thing about any young player

888
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: that you bring in who's unproven. The bottom line is

889
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: you bring them in because they have potential, Jeff. You

890
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: throw them out there, and you obviously hope that they

891
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: can produce consistently. You know, So who's to say that

892
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: Ingram and Shepherd are not capable of improving their production.

893
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: They're both still young. To your point, yes, Ingram and

894
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: struggled to stay healthy. So the goal is to play

895
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: all sixteen games. Are close to that next season. I

896
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: told you Shepherd's on the brink of that. I don't

897
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: think it's crazy to think that these guys can't elevate

898
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: their play a little early in their career. He's also

899
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: on a contract You're for Sterling Shepherd this season, so

900
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: that that usually makes somebody wants the ball more absolutely,

901
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: So you know that okay, okay, safety thirty five year

902
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: old guy four whatever his name is, and he asked

903
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: the jo um of mentor the Peppers like Daler Stuart

904
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: West Barkley a locker room guy because John I think

905
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: him that safety, that that bur safety position. Well, we'll

906
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: let you go on that note, Doug, and appreciate the

907
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: phone call. It's what Jeff and I started off. Leadership

908
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: is not a question when it comes to Antoine, butet

909
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about a guy that, as I said,

910
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: he played for the Super Bowl champion Colts. He was

911
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: with the San Francisco forty Niners, Jeff when they were

912
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: consistently making the playoffs under hardball. He was with Beecher

913
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: in Arizona. You know clearly the familiarity between him and Betcher.

914
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was one of the reasons and the

915
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: appeals of bringing him in. And to answer your question,

916
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: he plays free safety and strong safety has been moved

917
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: around during the course of his career. He led Arizona

918
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: in tackles last season, and as far as durability is concerned,

919
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: he's had one season, Jeff, in his entire career where

920
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: he's played less than games. That was two thousand fifteen.

921
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: Outside of that, thirteen or more games in every single

922
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: season since his rookie year in two thousand six, including

923
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: each of the last three years at least fifteen games. Yeah,

924
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: and you know, so, yeah, he is going to be

925
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: your starter. I can tell you that they didn't bring

926
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: him in here to just to teach some young guys. Um,

927
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: so those are your two guys. Your Bill Peppers is

928
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: another one, and there's your starting two safeties. I mean,

929
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: I'm not the coach, but I'm gonna tell you that

930
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: that's who I'm opening day. I'm pretty sure that those

931
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: are gonna be your guys. Might be you know, Hayley

932
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: was another guy. You know, they will have corners who

933
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: can be moved around. Then, I'm sure, like I said,

934
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna bring in some younger guys his competition. But

935
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: I would say, as it stands right now, and it's

936
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: extremely early, I mean we haven't even had spring workouts,

937
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: I would say it's safe to assume that Bithet and

938
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: Peppers are in the driver's seat as the two starting

939
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: safety safety Well, Riley is a free agent, so unless

940
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: he resigned what I'm saying and may not even next year. Indeed,

941
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: let's head back to the phone lines. Woody is in Walton,

942
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: would he love the Big Blue Kickoff live? What do

943
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: you got for us? How you doing, guys? Just thanks

944
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: for all those coffin corners. Kicker, you're welcome. How are you? Hey?

945
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: And Lance? I'm with you, buddy. I'm five five and

946
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: I've heard every short joke joke in a book. I

947
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: think we could all relate to that. No problem. What

948
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: you're really covering all aspects of the conversation today. So

949
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: what else do we have for you today? Hey? What

950
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: I really wanted to talk about today was, boy, it's

951
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: it's so important to hit on those draft choices so

952
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: you don't have to do the free agent stuff. Come

953
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: up with some numbers here, and here's what we've got.

954
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: We've got seven players that we're drafted that are still

955
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: in the rookie contracts that this includes Odell not Oldell,

956
00:46:53,920 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: but Barkley, Ingram Shepherd, her Nandez Carter Kill Goodson, you

957
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: add all the money up for those guys this year

958
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: at sixteen million dollars, we're paying Olivier, Vernon, Smax, Harrison

959
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: and Patrick million to not play for Yeah. Well, and

960
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: that's what happens with dead money when you let go.

961
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: I mean, there are financial repercussions. See, this is what

962
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: I think most fans need to understand. You don't just

963
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: magically cut a player and then say yeah, the money

964
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: is You're kicking the can essentially down the road. The

965
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: same thing happens when you restructure contracts. Drew Brees, by

966
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: the way, will let you continue. Would but one real point.

967
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: They restructure Drew Brees contract. According to multiple reports, his

968
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: cap hit is scheduled to be about forty one million

969
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: next season. Yeah. I think that's going to present some challenges. Yeah,

970
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: the rest of the tea cons this whole idea of yeah,

971
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: just restructure the quarterback. Don't worry. The money then gets

972
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: passed on to the following year. You don't just magically

973
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: make the money disappear, but go ahead Wood. Yeah. Another

974
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: point I wanted to make is a what your gentleman

975
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: is not afraid to move around on draft Day and

976
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: not having twelve picks. I'm hoping he uses some of

977
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: them later resources to just move up higher in the

978
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: third and fourth round, you know, the second third. If

979
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: we could get some of those later, we have twelve picks,

980
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: I'd be happy if we walked out of this draft

981
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: with eight players, probably got four starters out of that.

982
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: Do you think I think I would put? You know,

983
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: I like I like it. I would give the over

984
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: under its seven and a half. Would you take it

985
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 1: over and under? I would? I'm gonna take the under

986
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: at seven and a half. In terms of guys that

987
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: make the roster, guys that start, you know, the guys

988
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: that actually are getting drafted. Out of the twelve draft picks,

989
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: seven and a half is my number that there will

990
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: be drafted. I think the Giants are gonna trade package

991
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: you're saying the other picks. Yeah, I think I would

992
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: take the over. I don't think they're gonna go that

993
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: crazy and shipping out all of these picks. Plus, you know,

994
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: to your point, wouldy you don't just take two sevens

995
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden get a four. You know

996
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and I'm not saying you were presenting that,

997
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: but just because you have volumes of picks. Doesn't mean

998
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: teams are gonna be like, yeah, sure, we'll give you

999
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: our four, you give us two sevens. Were okay with that?

1000
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: You know it's gonna help you. Maybe sweet and a

1001
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,959
Speaker 1: deal if you might. But how about about how about

1002
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: two sevens to sixes and three fives? Where are you

1003
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: going with that? Then I could get to a four

1004
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: or three, maybe be able to get to a four. Yeah,

1005
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 1: then then my bet is definitely under that would definitely

1006
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 1: take if he puts together a deal where he's trading

1007
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: five picks for one, yeah, you're safe to take the other.

1008
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: And we're not playing poker here today. Are not at

1009
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: all okay? Happy to do a four and two five

1010
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: for the three? No way to happen. I don't think

1011
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: so that three, you know those even the three three

1012
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: tough number. That's you move your first four there, which

1013
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,479
Speaker 1: isn't far off the third. It's only like the sixth

1014
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: pick in the four. All I know is what you

1015
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: said earlier and what we have been mentioning. You gotta

1016
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: hit on your first three rounds of your of your

1017
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: draft picks. Those guys gotta be they gotta be good players,

1018
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: and they gotta do they gotta play for you for

1019
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: all years? Yeah? You got three three last year. Yeah,

1020
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: I don't think four is crazy, Woody and appreciate the

1021
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: phone call. Thanks so much for weighing in. You got

1022
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: three last year, that all those players could you get four?

1023
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: I mean also keep in mind when you look at

1024
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: legitimate opportunities for starting roles too, you've got to be realistic.

1025
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: I mean, if we figure both safeties it appears they

1026
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: already have on the roster, then offensive line, you can

1027
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: argue maybe there's one position up for grabs. Okay, you

1028
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: got your starting running back, Jeff, you know all likelyhould

1029
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: have your starting quarterback as it appears right now at

1030
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: night end, you've got, Okay, wide receiver, there's maybe an

1031
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: opportunity for a spot for a starting wide receiver. I

1032
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: still think there's an opportunity first for not a starting spot,

1033
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: okayople we're talking about, but maybe a draft able spot

1034
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: as a safety position. I don't just I'm just I'm

1035
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about starting starting I mean certain depth shart opportunities.

1036
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about you know what people throwing I

1037
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: want to get four or five starters running back? Are

1038
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: they going to be four or five starters lineman. No,

1039
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean maybe maybe a right tackle. Well that's what

1040
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: I said. One offensive lineman's thinking, but that's gonna be

1041
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: two on offense. Could could you draft a fourth round

1042
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: right tackle and make him your starter? I guess you

1043
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: could if you didn't have the said if he outperforms

1044
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: the guy that's the incumbent. I mean, look at Chad Wheeler.

1045
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: He was undrafted and he ultimately Matt starting job. So yeah,

1046
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy. Let's head back to the

1047
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: phone lines. Lenn Is in Columbia, Maryland. Lenn what's happening? Hey, guys,

1048
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: how you doing? They're not They're happy. Friday. Ye wanted

1049
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: to talk to you know. One of the things you

1050
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: would discuss him with record, Uh, you know, turnover, going

1051
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: from loosing seasons to the playoffs. Look at it, Look

1052
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: at the Browns. You want to talk about a team

1053
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: that that that general manager took over about the same

1054
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: time that Gettleman took over. Here, maybe there's two months

1055
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: difference and they were all in sixteen, went to seven

1056
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: and nine and people are talking about them when in

1057
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: the a f C. What North So you can you

1058
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: can you can turn it around pretty quickly. And you know,

1059
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: in this day and age, you know, with parody, and

1060
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: we're drafting out of the same pot. I mean, it's

1061
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: not It's not like New England's got a different pot

1062
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: of draft choices. You know, they've got all the good

1063
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: names in there and we have to draft out of

1064
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: the other pot. Were drafting out of the same pot.

1065
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know it is, it is indeed possible,

1066
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: and and and I want to I want to hold

1067
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: Day to that. I mean, I I think by two

1068
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: thousand and twenty, we got to really be challenging. I mean,

1069
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: we got to really Maybe it's not gonna happen next year,

1070
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: but there's got to be enough progress that, you know,

1071
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: the following year. Man, come on, it's just time. If

1072
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: you don't do it in three, you can't do it.

1073
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: And we can prove that over and over again. We've

1074
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: got plenty of examples of that. Um Hey, I like

1075
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: Tate Lance. You know, for a number of years I've

1076
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: been saying to you guys, I just wish we could

1077
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: find a number two who would give me Reuben Randall numbers,

1078
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: not Reuben Randall, you know, height, weight, style, et cetera.

1079
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: And I think maybe we found him in Tate. I

1080
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: think we can get sixty eight hundred and eight out

1081
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: of Tate. And if we can do that and land

1082
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: the number one maybe in the draft, I think that

1083
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: wide receiver corps with with Shephard, you know, in the slot,

1084
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, Golden Tate. Just give me sixty eight hundred

1085
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: and eight and I'll be happy with your performance. I'll

1086
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: take that. But we do have to get a number one.

1087
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no question about that. But so so

1088
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,919
Speaker 1: I like to take Sonny. Um. I mean, it looks

1089
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: like he's a little you know, he's he's aged a

1090
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: little bit, but you know, safety's age. Well yeah, I

1091
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: mean you look around the league. There's a line of

1092
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: guys playing that safety position who were older. Look at

1093
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: Eric Weddle keeps getting keeps getting contracts. Yeah yeah, well,

1094
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: I mean there you go, there you go. You know,

1095
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: if you do if you do simple, if you do

1096
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: some simple arithmetic, it's hard to believe that Lyndon got

1097
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: more money than Thomas did. But oh my god, I mean, jeez,

1098
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: what a world. I mean, it's just you know, just unbelievable. Um,

1099
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: all right, here's what I think we need out of

1100
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: the draft. We got a hit on that seventh pick,

1101
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: seventeen thirty seven Beal and nine. We need five guys.

1102
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: Those five picks, I'm looking for Day one starters. And

1103
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: then we got six more picks after that. Heylyn, let

1104
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: me let me ask you a question. I know you're

1105
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: a shrewd negotiator, so I want to I want to

1106
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: ask you. I was a little disappointed. Well, I'm disappointed

1107
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: in the Odel deal. But let's let talk about that again.

1108
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: I said my piece the other day. But um, I

1109
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: don't understand why we came away. Why couldn't we get

1110
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: the eightieth pick in the third round instead of m

1111
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you know, I mean to me,

1112
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of a big deal that is.

1113
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I look at it more of if you

1114
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: look at other wide receivers who are reacently traded. I

1115
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: think the Giants got the best return out of any

1116
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: recent wide receiver that was traded. Lance. I agree with you,

1117
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: it was. It was a fair return. And I don't know.

1118
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back to Wednesday, but I

1119
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 1: gotta say this again. You you you're talking about O'Dell. Listen,

1120
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: he's the he's the Browns get out of jail card. Well,

1121
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: but but hold on, First of all, I think O'Dell

1122
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: is a tremendous talent. Nobody's gonna deny that. But before

1123
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: we crown the Browns, Lennon fairness, can they play a

1124
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: few games in two thousand nineteen. But I'm not saying

1125
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: that they're a bad team and like what they're putting together.

1126
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: But I've also seen teams full of star studied commodities

1127
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: and they disappoint Trent. We Browns could go six and ten.

1128
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: Are we gonna then crown them after next season? They

1129
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: look No. I'm just saying they were in a pretty

1130
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: good position, and I think I think the O'Dell pick up,

1131
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,479
Speaker 1: I'm going to call it to get out of jail card. Okay,

1132
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: I think that's what it was. I think this is

1133
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: you weren't talking about the Browns winning the a f

1134
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: C North and to Ligo, don't Dell, and then everybody's

1135
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: talking about playoffs or yeah they're going to the playoffs.

1136
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: They're going, So I don't want to evaluate it now.

1137
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, yeah, you know the way people

1138
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: are talking, well, but the way back was important. I

1139
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: guess the point we could. We got what we could.

1140
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm not that we got what we could. I'm not

1141
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: sure we should have accepted everything we got to talk

1142
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: to Len, we'll never get a word in and appreciate

1143
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: the full cold. We'll let you go on that note. Yet, well,

1144
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: I know, but I try to figure that maybe this

1145
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: is the show that he had not phone up against

1146
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: his ear, that we can actually the button. But the

1147
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: last point I want to make before we get back

1148
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: to the phones is this is not Fantasy football and

1149
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: Madden Football, Jeff. When you send out household names and

1150
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: you expect you're definitely gonna get two first rounders, that's

1151
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: not how the market works. They look at Antonio Brown,

1152
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry, Brandon Cooks. All gms are gonna say, all right, hey,

1153
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: this is the starting point of the negotiation. This is

1154
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: correct what happened in the past. So this is what

1155
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: we're looking for as a reasonable comparison to that, and

1156
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: that's how the negotiations go. But you're gonna be hard

1157
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: pressed to find in recent history. Don't give me a

1158
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: trade from I'm sorry where a wide receiver was traded

1159
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: for two ones, because I've seen it. Joey Galloway. He

1160
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: was given the franchise tag. Yeah, we're talking about decades ago.

1161
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm talking about within the last five years. How many

1162
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: guys of Odell Beckham's caliber are being shifted out of town?

1163
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: Shifted out of town? Excuse me for two number ones,

1164
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: it's Jerry. They traded the whole draft for that. But

1165
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: once again, that's another guy that we're talking about a

1166
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: decade we're not. It's the going right and somebody sets precedents.

1167
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: You don't want to set the precedence for the next person.

1168
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: You go on past experience and pass what's what else

1169
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: is the other team we've done? And then you build

1170
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: off of it. Maybe they add something else to the

1171
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle. Yeah, and the other and the

1172
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: other thing is, since when does the market get set

1173
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 1: Jeff based on hype? So because the media is talking

1174
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: about Odell Beckham in Cleveland, well you think they're saying, well,

1175
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: we should get more in return from your media now

1176
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: being extremely confident and optimistic about your team. It doesn't

1177
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: happen operates like that. Let's sad. Back to the phone lines.

1178
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: Charlie's in Portland's main Charlie, what's happening what's up, Charlie. Hey, Jeff, Hey,

1179
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: just give me some time here. You only got about seconds. Hey,

1180
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: look you I mean to me. The New York Giants

1181
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: franchise is like the Titanic. We just hit the iceberg.

1182
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: There's this is a big change in this franchise from

1183
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: this day on. And I would bet if you will

1184
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: go to your marketing department and ask him what is

1185
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: the average age of New York Giants fans? I bet

1186
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: it's in the sixties. Odell Beckham is a generational Hall

1187
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: of Fame wide receiver like Michael Jordan's. He has known

1188
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: world why. He is a brand for the New York Giants,

1189
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: bringing in youth into the NFL, bringing it into the

1190
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: New York Giants. And Mr Mira has just kicked out

1191
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: away for probably the next ten or twenty years of

1192
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: having young people like the Giants and want to be

1193
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: a giant young generational guy got him. He's not the

1194
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: same the brand that Odell is. And the thing is,

1195
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: we are never going to replace what he gave this team.

1196
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: But is the goal not gonna happen? But Charlie, is

1197
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: the goal branding? Or is the goal to try to

1198
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: win a championship. Your wins it on the field. This

1199
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: guy can take the ball and I win yard and

1200
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: go ninety on any and I don't I don't disagree

1201
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: with you that Odell Beckham has unbelievable game change in

1202
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: qualities that's been well documented. But in fairness, if we're

1203
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: to evaluate this in a fair aspect, the Giants were

1204
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: not winning championships with him, and they weren't necessarily winning

1205
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: championships without him either. To your point, I get that,

1206
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: but all of that has to be evaluated and looked at.

1207
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: That there's other needs on this team, and sometimes you

1208
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: have to sacrifice named commodities to achieve the betterment of

1209
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: your whole team. That's the Let me let me just

1210
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: say something about gentleman as a GM. Now this is

1211
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: just not even just what he did. Now. He totally

1212
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: misread the safety market because he never tagged Collins because

1213
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: the safety market it was hot. It wasn't like last

1214
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: year when nobody got any money. But he had tagged him.

1215
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: He could have traded him for something, and he didn't

1216
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: do it. He let him walk, okay, and O'Dell go ahead, okay, O'Dell.

1217
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: If you were going to trade him, you should have

1218
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: never signed him. He gave Mara, gave him twenty one

1219
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,959
Speaker 1: million dollars O'Dell for twelve games. This year, he gave

1220
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: away twenty one million dollars for nothing. He should have

1221
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: traded him before. You're you're operating under the belief that

1222
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: the giants back then thought that they were going to

1223
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: trade him, and you don't know that. See that that

1224
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: that's the problem with your theory here. We're gonna let

1225
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: you go on that note because we want to wrap up.

1226
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 1: I get the frustration, to get the irritation that dead money.

1227
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: I get that. But you can't go back Jeff and

1228
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: say to me when they handed him that contract that

1229
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: they knew about a year later that they were going

1230
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: to trade him. Well, the Gellman say, we didn't sign

1231
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: him to trade him. So you're gonna make you think

1232
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: that that they weren't gonna trade him there or he

1233
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: wasn't even on their mind to trade him unless they

1234
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: built the contract around this year, which they didn't. By

1235
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: the way, there was gonna be a marketable contract to

1236
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: be able to a tradeable contract that they wouldn't have

1237
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: to take a sixteen million dollar dead hit. Now I

1238
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: can believe the theory. They could say we're gonna we're

1239
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: gonna trade him next year, but the contract wouldn't have

1240
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: been structured the way that it did today. There's no

1241
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: way they were gonna try. I'm gonna tell you right now.

1242
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: I've been around the league a long long time. Things change.

1243
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: Things change, things change, attitudes, change theories, change um. The

1244
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: way that they thinking changed, a lot of stuff changes.

1245
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: But you cannot go back, Charlie and say that they

1246
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: were thinking about trade him, or they would have thought

1247
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: about training they that's not what it was. I know

1248
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: you may disagree with us, and you can call in

1249
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: next time and tell us that, But I'm with Lance.

1250
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: I don't think you can go back there and say

1251
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: that and real quickly. The perfect example, the Eagles signed

1252
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford to an extension, Jeff signed Chase Daniel moved

1253
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: up a few months later, drafted Carson Wentz traded Sam

1254
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: Bradford to the Vikings because Teddy Bridgewater got hurt. You're

1255
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: gonna tell me when Philadelphia signed Bradford, they knew Bridgewater

1256
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: was gonna get hurt and they would entertain a trade.

1257
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: It changes. The timeline varies based on developments across the league.

1258
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: That was Jeff's main point, and I wholeheartedly agree with

1259
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: And I tell you you know, and and players changed

1260
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: to attitudes, emotions, no doubt, relationships within the organization. Character

1261
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: Everything changes, you know, how you look at somebody sometimes

1262
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: a few months later at changes. Hey, man, you might

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Speaker 1: have liked your fail man for two years until all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, now he's putting the mail in the gutter.

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Speaker 1: I don't like him anymore. I'm gonna train him for

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Speaker 1: the next guy. There you go. Please try to put

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Speaker 1: the mail in the mail. The mailman, though, doesn't leave

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Speaker 1: a dead cap it. That's the difference, Jeff. With that

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Speaker 1: being said, we want to remind you Big Blue Kigoff

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Speaker 1: back up and running on Monday again, noon Eastern as

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Speaker 1: we continue to review and go over the latest Giants

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Speaker 1: transactions for Jeffery weekend. Everybody, I'm Lance Meadow. Enjoy your weekend.

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Speaker 1: We'll speak to on Monday right here on Giants dot com.

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Speaker 1: I'm a going