1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: never told your production of I Heart Radio. Here's my 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: question for you, Samantha. Did you have a school spirit 4 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: at your university? Okay, um, of course, University of Georgia. 5 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: If you know anything about the University of Georgia then 6 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: you know they are die hard sports allegiance type of school. 7 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: So yes, I did have quote school spirit. I guess 8 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: in that even today, I'm proud of my alma mater, 9 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: that I got my degree there, whatever whatnot. I was 10 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: excited to get accepted and start school there because it 11 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: felt big, especially coming from a small town. But I 12 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: think I was more annoyed while I was on campus 13 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: because it disrupted so much like school life that I 14 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: was like, I don't I don't want any part of this. 15 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: What are you doing? And I know it's In fact, 16 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: friends and I one person who had many friends who 17 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: got married during our time at school, would purposely stay 18 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: as far away from anything black and red as possible 19 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: because we didn't want to be quote those people. There's 20 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with being proud, please, but at that point 21 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: in time, we were just so over it. It wasn't 22 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: that big of a deal to me. Right well, listeners, 23 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: you might not know what Samantha and I are art rivals. Yes, 24 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: we are sworn enemies. True story because I went to 25 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: the Institute of the Georgia Institute of Technology or Georgia 26 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: Tech NERD. It's funny you say that because my dad 27 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: was like a college professor you see in those like 28 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: really sentimental movies with like cries with this kid is 29 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: when they move on. He was like, so, my mom 30 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: just found like a box of letters he kept from 31 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: his students. He was just so desperate for me and 32 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: my brothers, one of us to become a professor. It 33 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: met the world to him. None of his kids had 34 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: school spirit, and he would get it tickled him. But 35 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: he would get annoyed because I only went to one 36 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: game my entire time at Georgia Tech. And I would 37 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: purposefully go to the library during games because everyone was 38 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: at the games and library, which was usually packed, it 39 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: was nice and quiet, right, And now we would go 40 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: to the food halls because there was no one there, 41 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: and then it would be completely empty and everybody was 42 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: at the games. It was delightful. Or the coffee shops. Yeah, yeah, 43 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: I mean I did, I really enjoyed the game I 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: went to, and then after I graduated, I went to 45 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: two more games and they were always really fun and 46 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: I liked the like walking around beforehand and like the 47 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: atmospherere and getting free stuff. I always liked that. But 48 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: it was just it's funny to me that there was 49 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: this big rivalry between A and Tech, and I had 50 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: so many students from U g A telling me like, 51 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: we could care less about you. It's actually Florida. It's true, 52 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: it's true. But part of that was because it was 53 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: more likely that Florida would put up a fun when 54 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: it came to football, so sorry, sorry, But also it 55 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: was more of a delight because they went away, Like 56 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: all of the Florida Georgia games were in Florida, it 57 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: was usually around fall break, so I mean the big 58 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: hiatus and I was like, oh good, the town was empty. 59 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: I love this. But yeah, the rivalry stand because of 60 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: that specifically, I mean, people really enjoyed because Thanksgiving that 61 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: was always a Georgia rivalry game. Yeah it was. I won. 62 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: I didn't win a Source Tech one one time I 63 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: watched on TV, and it was very one time they 64 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: did win the four times they won since then I 65 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: think I have not watched enough to care. Again, Um, 66 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: when I was going to school, I don't. I think 67 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: I own a total of three U G A shirts 68 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: one sweatshirt because I was like, oh, I guess I 69 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: should buy some braining. I'm pretty sure my parents bought 70 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: me a U G A shirt at one point in time. 71 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,119 Speaker 1: I hated going to games. Hated it because of the crowd. 72 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: But a lot of times we had adult men who 73 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: felt like they were college students and so would just 74 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: yell at my face. I had many incidents where I 75 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: would have grown men, and when I say grown men, 76 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: fifty year old men come yell at me about whatever 77 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: sports was happening. I had a couple of grabbed me 78 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: corner me. So not great experiences. And U G A 79 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: is one of the most BROWI like toxic masculinity definition 80 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to college football, and I hope it's 81 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: changed since then. I don't know, And I never enjoyed 82 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: any of that aspects. So right, well, I and then 83 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: we'll move on from this conversation and I'll tell you 84 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: why I brought it up. But the one game I 85 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: went to when I was in college, I was in 86 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: the visitors section. I can't remember why, but so I 87 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: was sitting with Clemson and it's a viral YouTube clip 88 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: and you can see me behind the guy. But this 89 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: guy from Clemson, bless his heart, was so into the game. 90 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: And when Clemson lost, he was lied out on the 91 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: bleachers and he was just sobbing and like his arms 92 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: were there, he said, and I was looking down at him, like, 93 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 1: people take this really serious. Yeah, to have that much love, 94 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: I mean I definitely have friends. They would literally affect 95 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: their entire day, and so you know so and so, 96 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: oh no, so and so it's going to be in 97 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: the worst mood. We have to get away from them 98 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: because you g A lost like stuff like that was 99 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: to love a sport that much, as interesting it is, 100 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: and I have a lot of thoughts about that as 101 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: someone who is in fandom space. It's often mocked for 102 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: similar levels of fandomness. But that is a different conversation 103 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: for another time. I want to ask you because we're 104 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: going to be talking about U G A in this episode, 105 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: which is something I did not expect to come up, 106 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: because we're we're about to head into Memorial Day weekend 107 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: here in the United States, So this episode is gonna 108 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: be a bit shorter, but we wanted to look into 109 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: some of the women behind Memorial Day and as more 110 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: and more people are getting vaccinated and Memorial Day weekend 111 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: is often a time in the United States is like 112 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: kicking off the summer season of barbecues and being outside. 113 00:06:53,040 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 1: And Samantha and I are actually attending one of said events. Yeah, yes, 114 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: and we did. We have been experiencing some re entry anxiety, 115 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: which I know has been in the news a lot, 116 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: and we've talked about a lot, even if we didn't 117 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: use that term because I hadn't heard it before. But right, yeah, 118 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: I think since I've been vaccinated, I've been out three 119 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: times and it felt like the last time felt better, 120 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: but the first time was like, yes, who was overwhelming? 121 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: It was? It was very, very overwhelming and exhausting. And yes, 122 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: Samantha and I are going to some events together this 123 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: weekend and I'm both excited, but yeah, very like almost 124 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: pre tired. Right. I had that experience this weekend so 125 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: for unknown reasons, and it just came about I finally 126 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: have gone out, but it included having time out in 127 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: a outdoor market which is typically crowded, as well as 128 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: any time with my family, which is also really just 129 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: a big stressor for me in general. So both of 130 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: them came together in one weekend and I had back 131 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: to back to back things that happened, and I don't 132 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: love being social. I am overly anxious about what is happening. 133 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: I am very anxious about the reaction around the mask mandates, 134 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: and of course there's not one anymore. CDC is kind 135 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: of lifted that, and I for when I'm like, oh no, 136 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna keep wearing it thanks as long 137 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: as I'm around a group of people. And when I 138 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: was at the market, there were a lot of people 139 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: still wearing it, but there are a lot of people 140 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: who weren't, and I was kind of shocked how easily 141 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: people are like, hey, we're good, right, we're good. But 142 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: that makes me anxious again. The family incident made me anxious, 143 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: and I was tired, and I think as we're recording today, 144 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: I said the beginning, I'm like, I'm not sure if 145 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm actually over going out this weekend, and yeah, we've 146 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: got more coming. When you started laughing, because I was like, 147 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's never ending, because it just seems 148 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: like so much right now, but at the same time 149 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: it seems unavoidable in keeping our friendships and keeping kind 150 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: of like maintained because it's a lot of birthday stuff. 151 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: So my partner's birthday is this weekend, two of our 152 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: co worker's birthday is this weekend, and then Memorial Day 153 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: is happening, which I will be at home ignoring everybody. 154 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: But there's this whole level of anxiety that again, like 155 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying my best to not get so affective because 156 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: it really does just make me want to shut down. 157 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: And as in fact, because we just did them Monday 158 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: many recently about our confidence issues and just anxiety and 159 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: coming out, and we did have a listener she said 160 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: in today's Monday Mini. You touched on in security about 161 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: going out and this doesn't apply to all of us, 162 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: but I and some other trans people are definitely filling 163 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: out of practice at mentally preparing to be visible again. 164 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: And that's separate from just our parents and oh my god, yeah, 165 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: I can't imagine, especially with all of the bs that 166 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: is happening, with the anti trans law, antilogy BTQ stuff, 167 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: as well as all the racist things that are happening, 168 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: all the sexist thing that are happening. Fat phobia that 169 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: is happening. There's just overall level and part of that 170 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: is for me, part of the fat phobia and my 171 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: own insecurities on my body, the lack of things that 172 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: I've done during quarantine. You know, it's just such a 173 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: big thing. And amoral day is supposed to be about 174 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 1: celebrating kind of yeah, dot dot just getting as an 175 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: excuse to getting out, and man, that does not sound fun. Yeah, 176 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: it's certainly a bit nerve racking. I'm finding I'm having 177 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: trouble with um. I guess people's expectations that I should, 178 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: I should want to go out more and I'm not, 179 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: and people seem to think that's weird. Are some people 180 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: in my life seemed to think that's weirder. That doesn't 181 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: match with how they think I am. And that's been 182 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: kind of a strange experience for me. But yeah, we 183 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: we also had another listener right in about having gender 184 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: and sexuality crisis or questions during the pandemic, and that 185 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: is something we wanted to come back and to do 186 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: a whole episode on. Hopefully we can find some information 187 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: right about that. And it also feels so weird to 188 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: be almost complaining that like we have friends. Yeah, we're 189 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: not complaining about we are complaining. Yeah, no, no, no, no, um. 190 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: And there are so many things I do want to 191 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: come back and talk about in another episode about Like 192 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: I've just been reading about the whole death to Bras thing. Yeah. 193 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: I have become a big fan of taint tops and 194 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: pull over sweaters because that means it's not so noticeable. 195 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: But I'm not wearing a bra. Yeah, but because they 196 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: are starting to hang, but at the same time, I 197 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: don't care enough to try to lift them back up. Yeah. Well, 198 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: I think the big thing for me is I accidentally, 199 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: because I haven't been wearing a bra in my apartment, 200 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: I accidentally went outside without a bra. And I don't 201 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: think that ever, ever, ever, ever would have happened. Like 202 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: before this, we've been like a fear like but then 203 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: I was just like halfway to the grocery store or whatever. 204 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, wherever? All okay, yes, yes, yes, yes, 205 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: but okay, let us get into our our topic at hand. 206 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: Here in the US, we celebrate Moral Day on the 207 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: last Monday in May as a way to honor service 208 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: women and men who have given their lives for this country. 209 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: Typically marked with a moment of silence and remembrance at 210 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: three pm local time. And women played a huge role 211 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: in the origins of Memorial Day, and perhaps obviously there's 212 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: been a long history of marking those who have died 213 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: in war. So this is pretty contained episode, but we 214 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: could go way way back for sure, and we are 215 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: going to go back to the Civil War. The country 216 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: was torn apart and some women looking for a way 217 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: to at least start the healing after years of brutal 218 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: and devastating conflict. One of the women leading to charge 219 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: on this was Ellen call Long, who helped establish the 220 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: first Memorial Day Associations, or the Women's Relief Society as 221 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: that was more likely called back then, in order to 222 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: honor those that had died in the war, they collected 223 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: flowers for what was called Decoration Day, and on this 224 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: day they also provided care for those disabled during the 225 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: Civil War, widows and children. Some stories go that this 226 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: whole thing was inspired after the women saw bear Union 227 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: soldiers graves in enemy territory in the South and took 228 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: it upon themselves to decorate them as well. Right once 229 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: the war ended in eighteen sixty five, call Long, along 230 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: with other women came together to form a Memorial Society 231 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: with the hope of mending some of the pay that 232 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: toured the US apart, and eventually this led to Memorial Day. 233 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: The federal government named Waterloo, New York, as a birthplace 234 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: of Memorial Day in nineteen sixty six, although several places 235 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: in the South also lay claim, and a few others 236 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: in the North. Twenty five cities altogether, and it became 237 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: a national holiday in nineteen seventy one, in part to 238 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: make a three day weekend for federal employees. The National 239 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: Moment of Remembrance was enacted in two thousand, which is 240 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: a lot later than I thought. So some records suggest 241 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: that one of the earliest Memorial Day celebrations was held 242 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: in Charleston, South Carolina by Freed formerly Inslaved people upwards 243 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: about ten thousand people in attendance. Yes, And and about 244 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: the kind of recency of the Moment of Remembrance, I 245 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: think that was because for a lot of US, Memorial 246 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: Day weekend has been lost, like the original meaning has 247 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: been lost, and it is like summertime in barbecue. So 248 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: this was a way of like trying to remind people 249 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: what it is about. Ellen call along is a complicated figure. 250 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: She lived in Florida from five to nineteen o five. 251 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: She was a plantation owner that profited off slave labor 252 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: and a unionist that may or may not have separated 253 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: from her husband due to conflicting views on secession, though 254 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: she did still provide support for the Confederacy by hosting 255 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: soldiers and providing aid to the wounded. So her husband 256 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: like moved to Texas and they never got divorced, but 257 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: they never lived together again, so okay. Also, she was 258 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: into silkworm cultivation and forestry, and in the eighteen eighties 259 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: she became the first woman officer of the Southern Forestry Congress. 260 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: She compiled and presented a paper about the benefits of 261 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: burning when it comes to forestry, fifty years before it 262 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: was adopted in the region as a standard. She represented 263 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: Florida at numerous exhibitions and events. She helped with historic 264 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: preservations like Mount Vernon. She turned down the postmaster position 265 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: in two and instead vocally supported black candidate William G. Stewart, 266 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: which made a lot of local white people really mad, 267 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: to the point that when her book Florida Breezes was 268 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: published the next year, these angry white people allegedly burned 269 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: and destroyed most of the copies to show their outrage. 270 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: They didn't like her views on reconciliation either, or her 271 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: opposition to slavery and secession, and her opinion that President 272 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: Lincoln was one of America's greatest presidents. This is not 273 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: to say she did not have problematic stances on rais, 274 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: because she most certainly did. She wrote of her concerns 275 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: that black people wouldn't be able to care for themselves 276 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: or their children after the Civil War um, and she 277 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: was concerned about the plantation economy without slavery too. Cal 278 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: wrote in her book about the Ladies Memorial Association, quote, 279 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: our purpose is purely religious, a labor of love, the 280 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: sacred care of the dead, to reclaim from oblivion and defamation, 281 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: the memory and graves of those who quote right or wrong, 282 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: stood by their country's cause. And no invidious spirit do 283 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: we come. The political storm that shook our country to 284 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: its foundation is past. War with its carnage is over, 285 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: and we are done with the cause. And though we 286 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: scarce discover the silver lining of the dark clouds which 287 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 1: have so long hung like a paul above us, we 288 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: believe that it will show itself and are willing to 289 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: do all that women can do to stem the tide 290 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: of bitterness and a stage they're angry feelings that naturally 291 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: at present exists between two sections of the country. Yeah, 292 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: and this note, of course, a lot of these groups 293 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: in the South were instrumental and still angry. I'll come 294 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: back to that. But in getting a Confederate Memorial Day 295 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: recognized as a holiday, and by the way, some states, 296 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: including our state, still observed it, although they call it 297 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: just state holiday. But it's the same day in April, 298 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: and I didn't know it existed until I worked at 299 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: the Department failed in any children's services, and they're like, yes, 300 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: Confederate Memorial Day, in which myself and a lot of 301 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: people of color just sat there and looked at each other, 302 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: going what right, what is this? And yeah, it's still 303 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: exists here, just as known as state holiday. Yep. In 304 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: the early days, Memorial Day or Decoration Day was observed 305 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: by decorating soldiers graves with flowers and flags and saying 306 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: prayers over their grave sites and businesses closed and observance 307 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: call along and the other women started these early decoration days. 308 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: But you just did a kind of superficial layer of googling. 309 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: MARYA John A. Logan, the leader of a group of 310 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: Civil War veterans, usually gets the credit for announcing that 311 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: May thirty should be a day for remembrance and adorning 312 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: soldiers graves of flowers in eighteen sixty eight, though he 313 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: himself often credited his wife, Mary Logan. The day was 314 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: chosen either because it commemorated at no particular battle and 315 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: or because it was when flowers were in full bloom. 316 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: The first official observance following this announcement of Logans took 317 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: place at Arlington National Cemetery. About five thousand people attended, 318 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: and small American flags were placed on the graves. The 319 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: day was observed across the country, and the Army and 320 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: Navy had protocols in place for out to mark the 321 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: day by the end of the nineteenth century. But call 322 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: on it was not the only woman involved in making 323 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: Memorial Day what it is today. And we'll get into that, 324 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: but first we're gonna pause for a crook break for 325 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: a word from her sponsor. Ammer back, thank you sponsored? Right. So, 326 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: after World War One came to a close, Memorial Day 327 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: was expanded to include soldiers who had died in All 328 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: American Wars. This is also when the tradition of wearing 329 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: a poppy originated, largely things in part to a woman 330 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: named Boina Michael. She was inspired by the poem in 331 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: flanders Field, which featured red poppies in the imagery. She 332 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: wrote her own poem, called that We Shall Keep the Fate, 333 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: and wore a red poppy to commemorate Memorial Day in 334 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen, urging others to do the same. She was 335 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: later featured on the three He Sent Stamp in the 336 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: US in nineteen forty eight as the founder of Memorial Poppy, 337 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: and she published an autobiography called The Miracle Flower, The 338 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: Story of the Flanders Filled Memorial Poppy in nineteen forty one. 339 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: Michael was an American professor. She worked at the University 340 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: of Georgia see then read that read makes a lot 341 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: more sense now. And she lived from eighteen sixty nine 342 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: ninety four. Her father had fought for the Confederacy and 343 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: her family owned a complantation. The outbreak of World War 344 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: One forced her to flee from Germany, where she was 345 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: spending her vacation. The journey took a tense sixteen days, 346 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: with concerns of enemy ships in the water, mines and submarines. 347 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: When Michael got back, she poured a lot of time 348 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: and effort into ways she could provide comforts for soldiers 349 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: waiting for deployment, including finding families to adopt them, basically 350 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: take care of them while they're waiting to be deployed, 351 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: and relief for those that had returned. She also was 352 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: very instrumental and evacuating tourists from Europe, and shevolunteered at 353 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: the National y m c A as a war worker 354 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: and this is when she got the idea for using 355 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: poppies as a symbol for remembrance. She described the inspiration 356 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: for the idea in her book like this. On Saturday 357 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: morning before Armistice, during the twenty five Conference of the 358 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: Overseas y m c A War Secretaries, November nine, a 359 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: young soldier, the son of A. G. Nevell, New York City, 360 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: Executive Secretary to the War Personnel Board of National War 361 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: Workers Council, the governing board for ose Staff and y 362 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: m c A Secretaries for Overseas, placed a copy of 363 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: the November Ladies Home Journal on my desk at headquarters 364 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: about ten thirty o'clock when everyone was on duty elsewhere. 365 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: I found time to read it and discovered the mark 366 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: page which carried Colonel John mccraye's poem we Shall Not Sleep, 367 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: later named in Flanders Fields. It was vividly picturized, most 368 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: strikingly illustrated in color. I read the poem, which I 369 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: have read many times previously and studies is graphic picturization. 370 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: The last verse transfixed me. To you, from failing hands, 371 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: we throw the torch be yours to hold it high. 372 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: If you break faith with us who die, we shall 373 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: not sleep. Though poppies grow in Flanders fields. That was 374 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: for me a full spiritual experience. It seemed as though 375 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: the silent voices again were vocal whispering in size of 376 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: anxiety onto anguish to you, from failing hands, we throw 377 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: the torch, be yours to hold it high. If you 378 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: break faith with us who die, we shall not sleep. 379 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: So poppies grow in Flanders fields. Alone again, in a 380 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: high moment of white resolve, I pledged to keep the 381 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: faith and always wear a red poppy of Flanders Fields 382 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: as a sign of remembrance and the emblem of keeping 383 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: the faith with all who died in hectic times, as 384 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: were those times, great emotional impacts may be obliterated by 385 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: succeeding greater ones. So I felt impelled to make a 386 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: note of my pledge. I reached for a used yellow envelope, 387 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: turned the blank side up, and hastily scrippled my pledge 388 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: to keep the faith with all who died. So she 389 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: told people she would wear red poppies in remembrance and 390 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: went out in New York City looking for them. She 391 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: parked twenty five and War one on her lapel, handing 392 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: out the others. She wrote that she wore hers until 393 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: her return home in February, and she was determined in 394 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: her efforts to make wearing poppies on Memorial Day a thing, 395 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: including a national letter writing campaign and a public facing 396 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: leader of flanders Field Red Poppy Movement, to the point 397 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: that people called her the Poppy Lady, which there's a 398 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: whole other indication to that, but whatever, She sold poppies 399 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: and used the funds for injured or deceased soldiers. In 400 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty, the American Legion named the poppy as their 401 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: official flower, and in nineteen four they started distributing poppies 402 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: as a national program. World War One veterans Organizations around 403 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: the world adopted the practice, including Canada, Australia, the UK, 404 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: and New Zealand. Dating back to the nineteen twenties and 405 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: to this day, red poppies are worn on Remembrance Day 406 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: and Veterans Day. Selling poppies has raised billions of dollars. 407 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: According to her great nephew, Michael helped raise three billion 408 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: dollars during her lifetime alone, accounting for inflation. The distribution 409 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: of three point five American Legion auxiliary poppies raised two 410 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: point one million dollars for American veterans in sixteen, and 411 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: the British Royal Legion distributes up to forty five million 412 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: poppies a year, raising around sixty four million dollars for 413 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: retired or injured soldiers. So when the war came to 414 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: an end, Michael taught a class for disabled service members 415 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: and attended weekly meetings of the local Chapter of Disabled 416 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: American Veterans. She planted poppies on UGA's campus, and in 417 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: Michael's hometown of Good Hope. There's a road named after her, 418 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: a historical marker, and an annual poppy fest. She was 419 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: also inducted into the Georgia Women of achievement in nineteen nine. Yeah, 420 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: and if anyone is curious, uh, surprisingly enough, over on 421 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,239 Speaker 1: the other podcasting Saber, which is about food, we did 422 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: an episode on poppies and we talked about this poem, 423 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: the original poem in flanders Field and why poppies were used. 424 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: And poppies are really brightly colored and pretty and red 425 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: these mass grave sites. During wars, they would sprout up 426 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: on on the mass grave sites, so that is at 427 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: least part of the reason that they were chosen. We 428 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: do have a little bit more for you listeners, but 429 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: first we have one worker break for word from our 430 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: sponsors and we're back. Thank you sponsoring. We just wanted 431 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: to touch on a few things as we close up here, 432 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: uh this Memorial Day weekend. As we're recording it, you 433 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: could be listening to it whenever, because yeah, modernly, there 434 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: are still so many issues with the military and in 435 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: this context, especially when it comes to women, sexual assault, 436 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: and the l g B t Q plus community. One 437 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: of the biggest moments for women's serving in the U. S. 438 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: Army was the Women's Armed Services Act of nine. Still today, 439 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: women make up only about six of US military forces. 440 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: The numbers are much lower when it comes to leadership roles. 441 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: The first woman to be named as a four star 442 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: general general and Dunwoodie of the U. S Army earned 443 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: the title in two thousand and eight. So very recently, 444 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: openly gay members of the lgbt Q plus community were 445 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: allowed to serve, beginning in twenty eleven with the lifting 446 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: of a ban on transgender folks in one which we've 447 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: talked about. The ban explicitly prohibiting gay and lesbian people 448 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: was enacted in nineteen eighty two. Before that they would 449 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: be just charged or I believe criminally it was a 450 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: criminal offense, so it could be. And don't ask, don't 451 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: tell was enacted in nineteen ninety three. Spousal benefits were 452 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: granted to LGBTQ plus military members. Uh in right, and 453 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: there are plenty of first when it comes to marginalized 454 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: folks serving in the US military. We talked about day 455 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: Williams in our Female First series with Ease, for example, 456 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: um and history is full of fierce warriors, plenty of 457 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: whom we've talked about. At the same time, women and 458 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: members of the l g bt Q plus community have 459 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: long been serving the military, whether officially or not, or 460 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: in the capacity of nurses, scientists, operators keeping the country 461 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: and running in all kinds of ways, and many of 462 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: their contributions unrecognized or refused to be recognized yet. And 463 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: obviously it's been a big point of contention in the 464 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: last six years about what's been happening. And yes, with 465 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: a new administration, with the band being lifted for the 466 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: trans community be able to serve, and the fact that 467 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: it's still a conversation is really sad to me and 468 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: I can't I can't get over that. But yeah, and 469 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: then just the ugly history of how women and marginalized 470 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: communities are treated within those fields as well, and why, 471 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: for some reason we still have to talk about the 472 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: I guess, the overall lack of care for after services 473 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: and how little is being done and how little money 474 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: is being invested for that, as well as who can 475 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: act says it. So lots of big things that we 476 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: could talk about here and we need to talk about soon, 477 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: but not necessarily from a moyal day, I guess. Yeah, Yeah, 478 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: I just felt like that was good to touch on 479 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: that because there are a lot of complicated issues around 480 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: pretty much everything we talked about, but certainly the military 481 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: and certainly in this case the US military, And that's 482 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: a good point about the aftercare and the lack thereof 483 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: veterans often don't I guess, don't receive and that is 484 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: these women we've talked about, all these women's groups, that's 485 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: what their focus was was, you know, the the veterans 486 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: and the children left behind or the widows left behind. 487 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: So they were trying to fill that space and that's 488 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: a part of why we have Memorial Day today. And 489 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: then of course there's recently been the whole hubbub around 490 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: dead crews, and they woke emasculated military, as he called 491 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: it in the US after a US commercial followed a 492 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: woman soldier. He compared it to Russian commercial for their military. 493 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: And I think that's very telling right there. Right I 494 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: was gonna say that seems a little bit on the nose. 495 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: It does. It does. And I know we've talked about 496 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: this before, but I grew up in a military town. 497 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: Is one of the biggest military colleges in Southeast I 498 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: think we had like an r OTC program, and I 499 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: know I talked about it, but I people try to 500 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: recruit me into the military, and that was a selling point. 501 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: Was pretty much this brewery culture. But they were selling 502 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: it to me and like, you're gonna have all the 503 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: pics of hot dudes that you want And I was fifteen, right, 504 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: huh okay, that is that is not a selling point. Yeah, 505 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Well. 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