WEBVTT - Are there undiscovered people? 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.920 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.520 It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:16.479 from house Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:20.040 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always as 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:24.439 Charles W. Bryant. I'm always there for you, Josh as always. Yes, 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:30.200 I'm contractually obligated today. I know, I know, I know. 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.000 So Chuck, you doing are Yeah, dude, how are you doing? 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.800 Pretty good? It's Thursday, it's not Friday, but it's a 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.040 little gray out for my tastes. Yeah, it's sprinkling, by 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.000 the way, I thought it was like pouring rain. Is 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:46.479 it sprinkling? It's sprinkling. That's good. So, um, Chuck, do 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:51.760 you remember can we go back year or so May two, eight? 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.840 How many years after Ghostbusters? Let's see how it was? 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:00.160 And yes, we do know that there is a four 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.640 years a sequel coming by the way, Yes, Ghostbusters three. 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.720 That's gonna be awesome. Should be the entire original caste 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:12.960 except for Sigourney Weaver, which that's okay. Um, yeah, Ghostbusters 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.679 three coming out? Right? Where are we So we're we're 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:22.080 twenty four years after Ghostbusters? And um, the news cycle 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:27.000 had this kind of strange occurrence where a bunch of 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:31.480 undiscovered human beings were splashed across the front pages of 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:37.120 newspapers everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, so there's this photo. There are 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:41.280 several photos of these people living in um primitive huts 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.160 actually primitive longhouses is what it looks like. Uh. And 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.960 they are the it's an aerial photo taken from a 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:52.240 low flying helicopter and they are piste. They have their 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.240 like aiming their bows and arrows at the at the camera. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.600 Like see the picture is pretty cool, yea, like get 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.960 out of here. Um. And so yeah, like this this 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.560 whole thing made the made the news cycle. And Chuck, 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.920 I imagine I take from what you said before we 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.800 started recording that you have a tad bit of disdain 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:14.160 for the let's see journalism that was applied to this. Yeah. Well, 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.040 first of all, should we go ahead and refute it? 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:20.880 Why not? Because they were not, in fact under undiscovered people. No, 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:26.320 And there's actually a huge, huge distinction between undiscovered people 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.360 and uncontacted or isolated people, right right, But you would 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.280 not know that by reading the Independent from London, which 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.200 I'm disappointed because I like that paper. No, I'm sorry, 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.519 I could care less about the Independence The Guardian Like, yeah, 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.960 you like the Guardian, not the Daily Mail the Independent. Uh. 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.760 Here's here's how the article opens up. Beneath the picture 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:51.320 of the you know, clearly savage and everything, with the 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.960 arrow pointing at the helicopter, three near naked figures are 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.320 visible in the forest clearing. Two of them are in 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.480 their bodies daubed with a red dye and are aiming 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.400 their bows at the sky. A third figure appears to 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.240 be a woman, her body blackened and only her pale 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:10.720 hands and face betraying her natural color. This remarkable photograph 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.680 is the first proof of existence of one of the 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:18.560 world's last uncontacted tribes. So they do say uncontacted. That's good, 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.880 but not everybody did, though sure it's a little overblown. 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.480 That was a fine dramatic reading their chuck. I think 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.160 the funniest thing that would have happened is if he 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.639 would have shot that arrow and it would have somehow 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.760 disrupted the propeller of the helicopter and it would have, 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.120 you know, landed safely on the beach for them to 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.280 be eaten. That would have been a nice ending. There 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:42.240 are tons of rumors of cannibalism about undiscovered purple right. Um. 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:44.600 In this specific case, there is a guy named Carlos 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.720 dos race Moreles. My Spanish is a little rusty, but 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.280 I think that's about right. Um. And uh he is 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.480 an Indian expert. I just made air quotes and these 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.920 photos were taken in Brazil, right Um. This guy laid 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:06.720 the search for this tribe, right and um. As the 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:10.040 as I guess he kind of watched with horror hopefully 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.840 as they were described as undiscovered and knowing had ever 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.520 found them before. He's he came out and was like, wait, wait, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.159 now I've been following these people for the last twenty years, 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.719 so they're not undiscovered. See, I thought he that was 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.840 part of the deploy for him. That was he taken 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.440 aback by that, you think? I thought, maybe that's how 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.520 we got the funding to get the research team, by 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.120 saying that we'll find out. Well, let's talk about it. 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:36.680 Is it even possible to be undiscovered? Well that's what 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.360 this podcast is about, buddy. And you know what, it's 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.360 kind of impossible these days. Yeah. We have things like GPS, 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.480 we have things like heat sensors that can be attached 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:50.239 to airplanes, which you know, body heat sensors. Um. There 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:55.040 is almost complete and total encroachment and harnessment of any 0:04:55.080 --> 0:05:00.000 square parcel of land on the planet. Yeah, most everywhere. 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.600 But that doesn't mean that there aren't people who are 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.200 who live outside I guess the French, who live primitively 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:13.040 and remain in a I guess primitive state. These are 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:17.000 the uncontacted people. Yeah, isolation. Basically, they first they called 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.679 them undiscovered, then they say uncontacted, and then they finally 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.880 settle on isolated, which means more than anything is they 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.520 don't want any part of us, Yeah, and that we 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:28.400 don't want a part of them, because we're always interested. 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:34.760 We are, and usually with um murderous results. Right. Yeah, 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.760 these people have learned the hard way. Um. And some 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.880 of these uncontacted tribes also, we should say, don't even 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.160 we have no idea what they call themselves. Right. So 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.719 there's this there's a group actually called Survival International, and 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:52.479 they are dedicated to preserving indigenous ways of lives these tribes, 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:58.120 for these for uncontacted tribes who have rejected modernization. Right, 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:00.560 because that's the thing you think about it, when it's 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:04.640 undiscovered or they're uncontacted, you you kind of pointed out, 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.520 we just tend to think like, oh, they don't know 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.880 about civilization or you know, these poor fools they don't 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:15.640 know about you know, television or running theft Auto six 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.760 And they would clearly be better off if we gave 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.320 them TV, or made them Christians, or or did whatever 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.440 you know, made them slaves. Yeah, which we have a fine, 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.799 fine tradition of doing. And um in this Uh, who's 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.279 this kid who wrote this? Patrick Kaiger? Yeah, I hadn't either, 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.359 but he's pretty good. Yeah, he does say that it 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.799 goes back to Columbus, it goes well back before that. Um. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:44.920 The Portuguese in particular love to enslave Africans, and actually 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.080 African tribes used to enslave one another. They had a 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:52.400 completely different method and system of slavery. Uh. Slaves were 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:57.880 treated much better among African tribes, especially West African tribes, 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.440 um so where they would eat at the same table 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.839 as the people that own them. And of course the 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.240 Romans use slaves. The jew spent a good portion of 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.080 their history as slaves of the Egyptians. So I mean 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:14.240 whenever we come upon new people or subjugate them, we 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.320 we have a history of enslaving them. Like, yeah, we 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.080 tend to conquer. Like Chris Columbus met the very friendly 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.560 Arowack people and instead of saying, well, we can learn 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.760 from them, he thought they would make really good servants, right, 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.520 how hard working they are and they don't even speak English, 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.120 so who cares, right, exactly? Well. They were also looked 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:35.240 upon as savages are less than human, which definitely aided 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:40.240 the subjugation of their their I don't know, blood right, 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:44.200 Do you know why? Why? Because back before everything was 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.400 discovered and there was still a lot of undiscovered land 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.280 and they were making maps, the map makers would often 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.960 chart these undiscovered lands as being filled with you know, 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.880 mutant human beings and scary beasts for some reason, like 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.360 here there be monsters because we haven't gotten around the 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.840 mapping this area yet, so just assume that there's some 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.440 sort of water serpent that's going to eat your boat. Yeah, 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.080 I guess I don't know why. They tended to strike 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.600 fear into people into explorers instead of saying there might 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.360 be very friendly people. Maybe caution fear of the unknown. 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:17.240 You think so, But Josh, these days, virtually every corner 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:21.280 of the Earth has been explored, except for obviously parts 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:26.320 of Antarctica and map which I had never heard of, you, 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:30.960 whereas in Brazil, and they said that this territory in 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.280 northern Brazil is still unexplored forest, right, so it's possible 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:38.040 there are undiscovered people out there maybe, right, If there 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:41.120 are undiscovered people out there, they are in big trouble 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:45.920 because if the uncontacted or isolated people are any indication 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.800 in their polite um, then yeah, any undiscovered people are 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.240 really kind of screwed. Um. You know, we talked about 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:57.800 Chris Columbus and subjugating people and actually, uh, Columbus is 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.880 quite the little genocidal maniac was. We covered that in 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.600 one of the other podcasts we did. We did um 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.200 because not only did he enslave them, he killed them, 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.199 had them killed like the entire groups of people are 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.960 assumed to have been wiped out by European colonization, and 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:17.079 not just through brute force, but this, uh, this type 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:20.120 of genocide, and especially if you look at a genocide 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:24.400 as the the by its definition that it's the systematic 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:28.079 wiping out of a group, right like a people or 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:32.240 a population, then it's still continues today as recently as 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:36.120 the the eighties the nineties in Brazil are you talking 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.800 about the microbes or are you talking about outright violence, 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.240 violence specifically against the akun Zoo. Yes, Josh, the akun 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.360 Zoo who seemed like a friendly tribe that grew corn 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:51.320 and hunted and remote Brazil for thousands of years until 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.079 they were discovered and it was discovered that their land 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:58.400 could be used for soy cultivation and cattle right so 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:03.080 uh and log actually right, So the companies put in 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:07.360 logging roads and into these this virgin territory where the 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.560 accun Zoo lived, and they actually came upon them. And 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:15.200 it's part of Brazil's constitution that, um, the moment you 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:20.520 meet an uncontacted tribes person or an undiscovered person, all 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:24.839 work stops. So with the logging companies and the soybean 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:31.559 farming concerns and the cattle ranchers did was higher assassins 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.800 like death squads. When they did meet the accun Zoo 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.360 uh and sent them in and actually masacred them with guns. 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:43.000 These people used bows and arrows, and these guys came 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.960 in with machine guns and killed all but seven of 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.760 the entire tribe. Then they fled, sadly they fled, and 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.000 into just last year, a newspaper reported that there were 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.760 only five living a kun zoo in the world and 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:03.320 that was that wasn't you know, very shameful. Yeah, but 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.800 they are not Josh the most isolated tribe according to 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.720 Survival International, aren't they know? That would be the Sentinel Ees. 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.240 Have you ever heard of these guys? Now? I hadn't 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:14.800 and I saw that video you sent me. There's a 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.000 clip on you tube. Yeah, I think what did you 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.400 just search the centinnalies and it came up there was 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.640 a couple of eclips, I think nat g. I went 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:23.600 down there and they did the same thing. They came 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.960 out of the jungle onto the beach and what it 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.120 looked like in the video, or that is their interpretation, 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.920 was they were making friendly gestures. Um. I did see 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:33.840 another one where they had the bow and arrow out 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.480 and um I was laughing that. When I was watching 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.120 it earlier, part of me expected like hippie Rob to 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:43.160 come out as their leader. Yeah, he's like the God, 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.560 He's like Brando and Apocalypse now exactly. Um and the 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:51.040 Sentinel needs Josh where they They are believed to be 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:54.679 descended from the very first humans in Africa, and technically 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.679 we all are, but These people are directly descended from 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:01.160 the first group that migrated out about sixty thousand years ago. Right. 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:06.280 They live on the and Aman Islands, Indian Ocean. And 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.959 did you notice how clear that water was and how 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.480 white those beaches were. I wouldn't leave either, dude, it 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.440 was gorgeous. Needs TV and Xbox when you've got that, 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.280 you know, Right, So these people will come out of 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.840 the jungle if you throw coconuts into the water at 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.760 the beach. That's what they were doing, right, what was it. Yeah, 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.079 these this group of people were sitting there throwing coconuts 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.840 into the water, and the uh sentinels came out and 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.120 we're like, thanks for the coconuts. Well, they probably thought 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.920 it's raining coconuts from the giant monster. But they are 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.200 actually not primitive Stone age folks from what they say. 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.480 Survival International says they're actually do make tools and weapons 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.079 from recovered metal from shipwrecks. Right, pretty cool. They are 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:53.440 actually not threatened. They're very isolated and relatively uncontacted. Um, 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.720 but they're not threatened. They live on an island that 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.640 no one really has any interest in, right exactly. But 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.600 as we saw with the a Kunzo though, UM if 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.920 there is money to be made off of the indigenous land, 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:11.319 you're you're in trouble. Soy oil, Yeah, Cattle Survival International 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.800 actually named all of those oil um farming, cattle and 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:21.840 logging UH as the the dominant threat to uncontacted tribes. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:27.480 There's supposedly an estimated hundred uncontacted tribes in the world. Yeah, 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.920 I was kind of surprised. That's a lot. And it's 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.800 sad that these people are around for sixty thou years 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.560 doing their thing, doing their thing long before us, and 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.360 we just come in and say, hey, this would make 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.840 a great soy farm. So I'm going to massacre you. 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.880 Then about the bail out and they're like, we're staying here, 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:50.440 not for us now. So UM, there's five regions that 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.679 are under the greatest threat right now and they're in Brazil, Paraguay, 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:58.800 and Peru. And actually there's tons of evidence there's groups 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:03.880 dedicated like Rival International UM and other n g o s. 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.840 And then there's actually government ministries set up in Brazil 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:13.760 and in Peru and I think Paraguay UM that are 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:17.880 in charge of keeping track of these uncontacted tribes, which 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.080 is really difficult to do UH. And a lot of times. 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:26.520 These uncontacted tribes are slivers offshoots of other tribes that 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.320 have had their land disturbed by logging or um mining 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.040 oil companies. So they would join up with another tribe 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.280 and you know, they just take off into the forest. 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:37.440 No one would know how many there were, that kind 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.600 of thing, but yeah, they would be living primitively, but 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:44.080 they're getting pushed further and further out or being massacred, 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.920 or they're coming into contact with disease. Right, Yeah, that's 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.800 what I'm talking about with the microbes. Violence is obviously 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.480 a big threat, but they say that a bigger threat 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:57.600 are uh, these people that these tribes that lack communities 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:02.240 to these awful diseases that twentieth century man has twenty 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:06.640 century man, excuse me, sure it's the future. Yeah, uh yeah, 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.080 there's actually uh that favorite book of mine in four 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.720 Charles C. Man talks about how there's an estimated hundred 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:18.960 million people living on in the America's uh in four 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.680 and then I think nine were wiped out by smallpox, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.880 thank you, like within a few decades. And Josh, it 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.400 didn't just happen way back then, like you said. In 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:35.640 the eighties, the some Christian missionaries made contact with the 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:40.160 Zoe tribe in Brazil, and in pretty short form, forty 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.480 five members of that tribe died from the flu, malaria, 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.280 and respiratory diseases. Just like that. And uh, more recently, 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:54.240 in nine half of the Maroon whoa maroona whoa tribe 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.400 I think in Brazil. Uh, they were contacted by illegal 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.880 loggers and half of the tribe was wiped out, um 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:05.360 from respiratory illnesses. I think. So it's not like to 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.720 bring up one of our favorite movies again. It's not 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:12.120 like bringing orange soda to the Waponi Woo. Joe versus 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.920 the Volcano. Oh yeah, it's not like that in real life. 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.040 I thought you were talking about, Um, the gods must 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.720 be crazy. Not another good one though. But it's not 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.600 like the Joe Versus Volcano. It's not all happy, go lucky. 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.520 They usually make contact with them. And even in the 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.400 case of the Christian missionaries who were trying to do 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.120 good I guess, and ended up killing a lot of them, 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.400 and the Brazilian government stepped in and actually kicked them 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.840 out the religious group and said now you gotta get 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.720 out of here. Yeah. And apparently even when the thing 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.120 is when contact is made as safely as possible and 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:45.400 there's a medical contingency plan in place. Uh, it's expected 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.840 that a lot of the tribes people will die. But 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.600 if there's if it's if they're made through illegal loggers 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.320 or a Christian missionary group that doesn't know what they're doing, 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.360 then uh, yeah, a lot of people die. If not 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.720 the entire group. Right, That tribe did recover, though, we 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.400 should note, yeah, which is good news to get out 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.880 of here Christian missionary so we can live peacefully and helpfully. 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.680 So Chuck, is it good to even contact these people? Well, 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:12.840 it can be good and bad because obviously if you 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.760 make contact and you know a little bit about their 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.520 way of life, you can protect them. But it's also, 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.080 like this newspaper article, it also opens them up to 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:26.240 a being invaded or watched or in this case, what 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.359 what was the the tourism trip? Tell him about that 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.440 that's awful savage tourism. Yeah. Actually, the guy who um 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.000 was responsible for leading the expedition that produced those photographs 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.000 that made the paper in two thousand and eight was 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.320 apparently approached by travel agents who wanted him to set 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.600 up a savage tourism trip, which can't you just see 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.760 a bunch of like fat white Germans and Americans Like 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.200 who I want to touch you right now? Your whole 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.040 tribes wiped out And now let's get back on the 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.040 cruise ship and look at the ice sculpture. Like like 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:01.720 I said, Um, the Brazil has it in has mentioned 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.800 uncontacted and undiscovered people in its constitution in large part 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:10.680 because of that unexplored forests in that just that one territory. 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.080 They have a real You don't have that in America, 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.280 Like we don't have to worry about, you know, how 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.080 to treat undiscovered tribes. We figured out how to treat 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:22.800 the ones we're familiar with badly enough, right, Um. But 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:27.879 so Brazil apparently recognizes that like, hey, this is your land, 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.280 right and you legally own it. If you're an uncontacted 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.520 or isolated tribe, nobody can touch it, but then has 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:38.439 a really terrible history of following through on stopping people 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:42.800 from going in logging in oil. Peru's history is even worse. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:47.160 They have some uncontacted tribes and threatened uncontacted tribes and 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:50.200 Peru's president is like, I'm not even sure they exist. 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.680 And by the way, the French oil company that's working 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.960 in this area where they supposedly exist. I've now just 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:00.960 decreed that their work is a national nessas city. So 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:04.119 when you when you're an uncontacted tribe and you're butting 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.919 heads with an oil company, you're gonna lose. Yeah, I 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.680 would say so, but I will say Paraguay, hats off 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:15.240 to Paraguay because they actually the environmental nice Chuck just 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.840 took his head off to the environmental ministry revoked the 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:23.720 license of a ranching concern that was just decimating and 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.560 I don't mean in the literal like removing ten percent term, right, 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.880 I mean like decimating all you Latin speakers out there, 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:35.760 the um the this land that technically belongs to the 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.119 indigenous uncontacted tribes there. So so they booted them out 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.040 or they just took away their permits. They took away 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:46.119 their permits, which is pretty much tantamount to booting them out. Awesome. Yeah, 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.280 it's just so sad that when you know, such a 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:52.360 modernist point of view to see these undiscovered or uncontacted 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.600 people and think that their savages and that their way 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.960 of life is is savage and primitive. It's just they 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.879 were here first. Well, I mean we were, we were, 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.199 we were all here first, we were all here at 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.240 the same time. But it's just a complete lack of 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.119 recognition of other people's choices. Yeah, and in respect for 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.520 other other cultures in ways of life, and because again 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:15.960 didn't fly around here. There's no grand theft auto in 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:19.119 the jungle. No, there's not. No, there's no auto. If 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.800 you want to learn more about people undiscovered or otherwise, 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:25.439 you should try typing in people in the Andy serge 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.919 bar How stuff works dot com. It brings up a 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:33.120 hidden sub channel. Really yes, uh and uh, I guess 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.399 since I said hidden subchannel, that means it's time for 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:38.760 what Chuck listener mail, Yes, Josh, it is. And before 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:40.800 we do that, we want to send a thank you 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:46.080 to Dan of the pottery Dan Dan made, Dan made. 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:50.040 He has a little uh etsy website, Dan made dot 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.240 et s y dot com and he makes pottery. And 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:56.200 he sent us some really awesome coffee mugs. Yes, Dan 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.200 made very cool mugs. And actually it's my my work mug. 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.439 Now that's what do he is? I noticed cool detail. 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.919 You've got an octopus on yours with a pipe smoking 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:06.800 a pipe. I can't tell what mine is. It's some 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.160 little dude. But it's just got cool details, got swirls 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.080 in the bottom, little intentions, and only some parts of 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:15.360 it are glazed and others raw. It's Dan, Maide knows 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:17.800 what he's doing. So thanks Dan, and you know what, 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:19.480 you want to bring up people who have been sending 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:22.960 us little gifts, and it's just really nice to come 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:25.240 into work and have someone you know, Uh what was 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:27.080 her name that sent us the Twinkie the homemade Twinkie 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.439 the Kid shirts. I don't remember her name. She's like 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:32.720 Kaya or something like Kyla. I believe she should write 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:34.240 in because I told her that I would mention her 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:36.720 little website too. Okay, yeah, yeah, we got Twinky the 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.119 Kid t shirts because remember we talked about how badly 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:45.359 we wanted something. So with that listener, ma'am all right, 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:50.000 I'm gonna call this, uh organ donation details from someone 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:54.480 who knows. Uh. Hi, Josh and Chuckers and Jerry. I'm 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:59.880 an anesthesiologist who specializes an organ transplantation, specifically livers and kidneys. 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:02.760 In fact, we performed a liver transplant just last night 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:07.080 and I'm home resting after what is always an exhausting procedure. Ah, 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:09.160 he thought we might want a few more details about 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.840 organ donations. So he says this um they do not 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:16.960 get to meet the donor and the recipient until after 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:20.080 a period of time, usually a year, and only after 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:22.159 both agreed to meet. But we also had people that 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.639 wrote in and said they met like weeks later, So 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:27.720 it might vary by hospital or state. Yeah, I'm not sure, 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.119 or maybe there's just an agreement you go into. But 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:32.240 he says, they can trade letters and get very basic, 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.640 unidentifiable information about each other, but it all gets censored 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:40.000 by the organ procurement organization. This is because of this 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:43.400 recipient does not live or the organ fails, the recipient 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.440 or donor won't blame the donor or in their families. Also, 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.200 if the organ works, they don't want the parties involved 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:53.320 feeling unduly indebted to the donor. After all, it's supposed 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:55.960 to be a free gift with no strings attached. After 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:57.919 they have both had time to adjust to their new 0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:01.240 lives and agreed and prepared to meet, they can meet. 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:03.840 That being said, people can still find each other if 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:07.399 they are looking in turn to the same websites specifically 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:10.680 designed to link donor to recipient. Although it is strongly discouraged, 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:12.800 So maybe that was the deal. They did it in serpticism. 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:16.240 So I thought somebody came up at the website and 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.560 make money off of people who want to meet the 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:21.639 people who donated a kidney to them. What a great 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:24.679 world we live in. I thought your listeners would want 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:26.399