1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: from house Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always as 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: Charles W. Bryant. I'm always there for you, Josh as always. Yes, 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm contractually obligated today. I know, I know, I know. 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: So Chuck, you doing are Yeah, dude, how are you doing? 8 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: Pretty good? It's Thursday, it's not Friday, but it's a 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: little gray out for my tastes. Yeah, it's sprinkling, by 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: the way, I thought it was like pouring rain. Is 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: it sprinkling? It's sprinkling. That's good. So, um, Chuck, do 12 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: you remember can we go back year or so May two, eight? 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: How many years after Ghostbusters? Let's see how it was? 14 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: And yes, we do know that there is a four 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: years a sequel coming by the way, Yes, Ghostbusters three. 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: That's gonna be awesome. Should be the entire original caste 17 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: except for Sigourney Weaver, which that's okay. Um, yeah, Ghostbusters 18 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: three coming out? Right? Where are we So we're we're 19 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: twenty four years after Ghostbusters? And um, the news cycle 20 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: had this kind of strange occurrence where a bunch of 21 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: undiscovered human beings were splashed across the front pages of 22 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: newspapers everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, so there's this photo. There are 23 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: several photos of these people living in um primitive huts 24 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: actually primitive longhouses is what it looks like. Uh. And 25 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: they are the it's an aerial photo taken from a 26 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: low flying helicopter and they are piste. They have their 27 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: like aiming their bows and arrows at the at the camera. 28 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: Like see the picture is pretty cool, yea, like get 29 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: out of here. Um. And so yeah, like this this 30 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: whole thing made the made the news cycle. And Chuck, 31 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: I imagine I take from what you said before we 32 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: started recording that you have a tad bit of disdain 33 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: for the let's see journalism that was applied to this. Yeah. Well, 34 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: first of all, should we go ahead and refute it? 35 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: Why not? Because they were not, in fact under undiscovered people. No, 36 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: And there's actually a huge, huge distinction between undiscovered people 37 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: and uncontacted or isolated people, right right, But you would 38 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: not know that by reading the Independent from London, which 39 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: I'm disappointed because I like that paper. No, I'm sorry, 40 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: I could care less about the Independence The Guardian Like, yeah, 41 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: you like the Guardian, not the Daily Mail the Independent. Uh. 42 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: Here's here's how the article opens up. Beneath the picture 43 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: of the you know, clearly savage and everything, with the 44 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: arrow pointing at the helicopter, three near naked figures are 45 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: visible in the forest clearing. Two of them are in 46 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: their bodies daubed with a red dye and are aiming 47 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: their bows at the sky. A third figure appears to 48 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: be a woman, her body blackened and only her pale 49 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: hands and face betraying her natural color. This remarkable photograph 50 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: is the first proof of existence of one of the 51 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: world's last uncontacted tribes. So they do say uncontacted. That's good, 52 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: but not everybody did, though sure it's a little overblown. 53 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: That was a fine dramatic reading their chuck. I think 54 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: the funniest thing that would have happened is if he 55 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: would have shot that arrow and it would have somehow 56 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: disrupted the propeller of the helicopter and it would have, 57 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: you know, landed safely on the beach for them to 58 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: be eaten. That would have been a nice ending. There 59 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: are tons of rumors of cannibalism about undiscovered purple right. Um. 60 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: In this specific case, there is a guy named Carlos 61 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: dos race Moreles. My Spanish is a little rusty, but 62 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: I think that's about right. Um. And uh he is 63 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: an Indian expert. I just made air quotes and these 64 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: photos were taken in Brazil, right Um. This guy laid 65 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: the search for this tribe, right and um. As the 66 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: as I guess he kind of watched with horror hopefully 67 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: as they were described as undiscovered and knowing had ever 68 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: found them before. He's he came out and was like, wait, wait, 69 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: now I've been following these people for the last twenty years, 70 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: so they're not undiscovered. See, I thought he that was 71 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: part of the deploy for him. That was he taken 72 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: aback by that, you think? I thought, maybe that's how 73 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: we got the funding to get the research team, by 74 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: saying that we'll find out. Well, let's talk about it. 75 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: Is it even possible to be undiscovered? Well that's what 76 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: this podcast is about, buddy. And you know what, it's 77 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: kind of impossible these days. Yeah. We have things like GPS, 78 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: we have things like heat sensors that can be attached 79 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 1: to airplanes, which you know, body heat sensors. Um. There 80 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: is almost complete and total encroachment and harnessment of any 81 00:04:55,080 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: square parcel of land on the planet. Yeah, most everywhere. 82 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that there aren't people who are 83 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: who live outside I guess the French, who live primitively 84 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: and remain in a I guess primitive state. These are 85 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: the uncontacted people. Yeah, isolation. Basically, they first they called 86 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 1: them undiscovered, then they say uncontacted, and then they finally 87 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: settle on isolated, which means more than anything is they 88 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: don't want any part of us, Yeah, and that we 89 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: don't want a part of them, because we're always interested. 90 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: We are, and usually with um murderous results. Right. Yeah, 91 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: these people have learned the hard way. Um. And some 92 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: of these uncontacted tribes also, we should say, don't even 93 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: we have no idea what they call themselves. Right. So 94 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: there's this there's a group actually called Survival International, and 95 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: they are dedicated to preserving indigenous ways of lives these tribes, 96 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: for these for uncontacted tribes who have rejected modernization. Right, 97 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: because that's the thing you think about it, when it's 98 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: undiscovered or they're uncontacted, you you kind of pointed out, 99 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: we just tend to think like, oh, they don't know 100 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: about civilization or you know, these poor fools they don't 101 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: know about you know, television or running theft Auto six 102 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: And they would clearly be better off if we gave 103 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: them TV, or made them Christians, or or did whatever 104 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, made them slaves. Yeah, which we have a fine, 105 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 1: fine tradition of doing. And um in this Uh, who's 106 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: this kid who wrote this? Patrick Kaiger? Yeah, I hadn't either, 107 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: but he's pretty good. Yeah, he does say that it 108 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 1: goes back to Columbus, it goes well back before that. Um. 109 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: The Portuguese in particular love to enslave Africans, and actually 110 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: African tribes used to enslave one another. They had a 111 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: completely different method and system of slavery. Uh. Slaves were 112 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: treated much better among African tribes, especially West African tribes, 113 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: um so where they would eat at the same table 114 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: as the people that own them. And of course the 115 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: Romans use slaves. The jew spent a good portion of 116 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: their history as slaves of the Egyptians. So I mean 117 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: whenever we come upon new people or subjugate them, we 118 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: we have a history of enslaving them. Like, yeah, we 119 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: tend to conquer. Like Chris Columbus met the very friendly 120 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: Arowack people and instead of saying, well, we can learn 121 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: from them, he thought they would make really good servants, right, 122 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: how hard working they are and they don't even speak English, 123 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: so who cares, right, exactly? Well. They were also looked 124 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: upon as savages are less than human, which definitely aided 125 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: the subjugation of their their I don't know, blood right, 126 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: Do you know why? Why? Because back before everything was 127 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: discovered and there was still a lot of undiscovered land 128 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: and they were making maps, the map makers would often 129 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: chart these undiscovered lands as being filled with you know, 130 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: mutant human beings and scary beasts for some reason, like 131 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: here there be monsters because we haven't gotten around the 132 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: mapping this area yet, so just assume that there's some 133 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: sort of water serpent that's going to eat your boat. Yeah, 134 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know why. They tended to strike 135 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: fear into people into explorers instead of saying there might 136 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: be very friendly people. Maybe caution fear of the unknown. 137 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: You think so, But Josh, these days, virtually every corner 138 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: of the Earth has been explored, except for obviously parts 139 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: of Antarctica and map which I had never heard of, you, 140 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: whereas in Brazil, and they said that this territory in 141 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: northern Brazil is still unexplored forest, right, so it's possible 142 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: there are undiscovered people out there maybe, right, If there 143 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: are undiscovered people out there, they are in big trouble 144 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: because if the uncontacted or isolated people are any indication 145 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: in their polite um, then yeah, any undiscovered people are 146 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: really kind of screwed. Um. You know, we talked about 147 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: Chris Columbus and subjugating people and actually, uh, Columbus is 148 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: quite the little genocidal maniac was. We covered that in 149 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: one of the other podcasts we did. We did um 150 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: because not only did he enslave them, he killed them, 151 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: had them killed like the entire groups of people are 152 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: assumed to have been wiped out by European colonization, and 153 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: not just through brute force, but this, uh, this type 154 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: of genocide, and especially if you look at a genocide 155 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: as the the by its definition that it's the systematic 156 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: wiping out of a group, right like a people or 157 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: a population, then it's still continues today as recently as 158 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: the the eighties the nineties in Brazil are you talking 159 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: about the microbes or are you talking about outright violence, 160 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: violence specifically against the akun Zoo. Yes, Josh, the akun 161 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: Zoo who seemed like a friendly tribe that grew corn 162 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: and hunted and remote Brazil for thousands of years until 163 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: they were discovered and it was discovered that their land 164 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: could be used for soy cultivation and cattle right so 165 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: uh and log actually right, So the companies put in 166 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: logging roads and into these this virgin territory where the 167 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: accun Zoo lived, and they actually came upon them. And 168 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: it's part of Brazil's constitution that, um, the moment you 169 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: meet an uncontacted tribes person or an undiscovered person, all 170 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: work stops. So with the logging companies and the soybean 171 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: farming concerns and the cattle ranchers did was higher assassins 172 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: like death squads. When they did meet the accun Zoo 173 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: uh and sent them in and actually masacred them with guns. 174 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: These people used bows and arrows, and these guys came 175 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: in with machine guns and killed all but seven of 176 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: the entire tribe. Then they fled, sadly they fled, and 177 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: into just last year, a newspaper reported that there were 178 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: only five living a kun zoo in the world and 179 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: that was that wasn't you know, very shameful. Yeah, but 180 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: they are not Josh the most isolated tribe according to 181 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: Survival International, aren't they know? That would be the Sentinel Ees. 182 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of these guys? Now? I hadn't 183 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: and I saw that video you sent me. There's a 184 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: clip on you tube. Yeah, I think what did you 185 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: just search the centinnalies and it came up there was 186 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: a couple of eclips, I think nat g. I went 187 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: down there and they did the same thing. They came 188 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: out of the jungle onto the beach and what it 189 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: looked like in the video, or that is their interpretation, 190 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: was they were making friendly gestures. Um. I did see 191 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: another one where they had the bow and arrow out 192 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: and um I was laughing that. When I was watching 193 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: it earlier, part of me expected like hippie Rob to 194 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: come out as their leader. Yeah, he's like the God, 195 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: He's like Brando and Apocalypse now exactly. Um and the 196 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: Sentinel needs Josh where they They are believed to be 197 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: descended from the very first humans in Africa, and technically 198 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: we all are, but These people are directly descended from 199 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: the first group that migrated out about sixty thousand years ago. Right. 200 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: They live on the and Aman Islands, Indian Ocean. And 201 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: did you notice how clear that water was and how 202 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: white those beaches were. I wouldn't leave either, dude, it 203 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: was gorgeous. Needs TV and Xbox when you've got that, 204 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, Right, So these people will come out of 205 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: the jungle if you throw coconuts into the water at 206 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: the beach. That's what they were doing, right, what was it. Yeah, 207 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: these this group of people were sitting there throwing coconuts 208 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: into the water, and the uh sentinels came out and 209 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: we're like, thanks for the coconuts. Well, they probably thought 210 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: it's raining coconuts from the giant monster. But they are 211 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: actually not primitive Stone age folks from what they say. 212 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: Survival International says they're actually do make tools and weapons 213 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: from recovered metal from shipwrecks. Right, pretty cool. They are 214 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: actually not threatened. They're very isolated and relatively uncontacted. Um, 215 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: but they're not threatened. They live on an island that 216 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: no one really has any interest in, right exactly. But 217 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: as we saw with the a Kunzo though, UM if 218 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: there is money to be made off of the indigenous land, 219 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: you're you're in trouble. Soy oil, Yeah, Cattle Survival International 220 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: actually named all of those oil um farming, cattle and 221 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: logging UH as the the dominant threat to uncontacted tribes. 222 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: There's supposedly an estimated hundred uncontacted tribes in the world. Yeah, 223 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised. That's a lot. And it's 224 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: sad that these people are around for sixty thou years 225 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: doing their thing, doing their thing long before us, and 226 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: we just come in and say, hey, this would make 227 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: a great soy farm. So I'm going to massacre you. 228 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: Then about the bail out and they're like, we're staying here, 229 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: not for us now. So UM, there's five regions that 230 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: are under the greatest threat right now and they're in Brazil, Paraguay, 231 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: and Peru. And actually there's tons of evidence there's groups 232 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: dedicated like Rival International UM and other n g o s. 233 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: And then there's actually government ministries set up in Brazil 234 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: and in Peru and I think Paraguay UM that are 235 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: in charge of keeping track of these uncontacted tribes, which 236 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: is really difficult to do UH. And a lot of times. 237 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: These uncontacted tribes are slivers offshoots of other tribes that 238 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: have had their land disturbed by logging or um mining 239 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: oil companies. So they would join up with another tribe 240 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: and you know, they just take off into the forest. 241 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: No one would know how many there were, that kind 242 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: of thing, but yeah, they would be living primitively, but 243 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: they're getting pushed further and further out or being massacred, 244 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: or they're coming into contact with disease. Right, Yeah, that's 245 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about with the microbes. Violence is obviously 246 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: a big threat, but they say that a bigger threat 247 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: are uh, these people that these tribes that lack communities 248 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: to these awful diseases that twentieth century man has twenty 249 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: century man, excuse me, sure it's the future. Yeah, uh yeah, 250 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: there's actually uh that favorite book of mine in four 251 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: Charles C. Man talks about how there's an estimated hundred 252 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: million people living on in the America's uh in four 253 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: and then I think nine were wiped out by smallpox, 254 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: thank you, like within a few decades. And Josh, it 255 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: didn't just happen way back then, like you said. In 256 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: the eighties, the some Christian missionaries made contact with the 257 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: Zoe tribe in Brazil, and in pretty short form, forty 258 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: five members of that tribe died from the flu, malaria, 259 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: and respiratory diseases. Just like that. And uh, more recently, 260 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: in nine half of the Maroon whoa maroona whoa tribe 261 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: I think in Brazil. Uh, they were contacted by illegal 262 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: loggers and half of the tribe was wiped out, um 263 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: from respiratory illnesses. I think. So it's not like to 264 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: bring up one of our favorite movies again. It's not 265 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: like bringing orange soda to the Waponi Woo. Joe versus 266 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: the Volcano. Oh yeah, it's not like that in real life. 267 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about, Um, the gods must 268 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: be crazy. Not another good one though. But it's not 269 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: like the Joe Versus Volcano. It's not all happy, go lucky. 270 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: They usually make contact with them. And even in the 271 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: case of the Christian missionaries who were trying to do 272 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: good I guess, and ended up killing a lot of them, 273 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: and the Brazilian government stepped in and actually kicked them 274 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: out the religious group and said now you gotta get 275 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: out of here. Yeah. And apparently even when the thing 276 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: is when contact is made as safely as possible and 277 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: there's a medical contingency plan in place. Uh, it's expected 278 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: that a lot of the tribes people will die. But 279 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: if there's if it's if they're made through illegal loggers 280 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: or a Christian missionary group that doesn't know what they're doing, 281 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: then uh, yeah, a lot of people die. If not 282 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: the entire group. Right, That tribe did recover, though, we 283 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: should note, yeah, which is good news to get out 284 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: of here Christian missionary so we can live peacefully and helpfully. 285 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: So Chuck, is it good to even contact these people? Well, 286 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: it can be good and bad because obviously if you 287 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: make contact and you know a little bit about their 288 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: way of life, you can protect them. But it's also, 289 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: like this newspaper article, it also opens them up to 290 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: a being invaded or watched or in this case, what 291 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: what was the the tourism trip? Tell him about that 292 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: that's awful savage tourism. Yeah. Actually, the guy who um 293 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: was responsible for leading the expedition that produced those photographs 294 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: that made the paper in two thousand and eight was 295 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: apparently approached by travel agents who wanted him to set 296 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: up a savage tourism trip, which can't you just see 297 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of like fat white Germans and Americans Like 298 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: who I want to touch you right now? Your whole 299 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: tribes wiped out And now let's get back on the 300 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: cruise ship and look at the ice sculpture. Like like 301 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: I said, Um, the Brazil has it in has mentioned 302 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: uncontacted and undiscovered people in its constitution in large part 303 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: because of that unexplored forests in that just that one territory. 304 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: They have a real You don't have that in America, 305 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: Like we don't have to worry about, you know, how 306 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: to treat undiscovered tribes. We figured out how to treat 307 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: the ones we're familiar with badly enough, right, Um. But 308 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: so Brazil apparently recognizes that like, hey, this is your land, 309 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: right and you legally own it. If you're an uncontacted 310 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: or isolated tribe, nobody can touch it, but then has 311 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: a really terrible history of following through on stopping people 312 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: from going in logging in oil. Peru's history is even worse. 313 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: They have some uncontacted tribes and threatened uncontacted tribes and 314 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: Peru's president is like, I'm not even sure they exist. 315 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: And by the way, the French oil company that's working 316 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: in this area where they supposedly exist. I've now just 317 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: decreed that their work is a national nessas city. So 318 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: when you when you're an uncontacted tribe and you're butting 319 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: heads with an oil company, you're gonna lose. Yeah, I 320 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: would say so, but I will say Paraguay, hats off 321 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: to Paraguay because they actually the environmental nice Chuck just 322 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: took his head off to the environmental ministry revoked the 323 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: license of a ranching concern that was just decimating and 324 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: I don't mean in the literal like removing ten percent term, right, 325 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: I mean like decimating all you Latin speakers out there, 326 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: the um the this land that technically belongs to the 327 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: indigenous uncontacted tribes there. So so they booted them out 328 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: or they just took away their permits. They took away 329 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: their permits, which is pretty much tantamount to booting them out. Awesome. Yeah, 330 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: it's just so sad that when you know, such a 331 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: modernist point of view to see these undiscovered or uncontacted 332 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: people and think that their savages and that their way 333 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: of life is is savage and primitive. It's just they 334 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: were here first. Well, I mean we were, we were, 335 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: we were all here first, we were all here at 336 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: the same time. But it's just a complete lack of 337 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: recognition of other people's choices. Yeah, and in respect for 338 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: other other cultures in ways of life, and because again 339 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: didn't fly around here. There's no grand theft auto in 340 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: the jungle. No, there's not. No, there's no auto. If 341 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: you want to learn more about people undiscovered or otherwise, 342 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: you should try typing in people in the Andy serge 343 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: bar How stuff works dot com. It brings up a 344 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: hidden sub channel. Really yes, uh and uh, I guess 345 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: since I said hidden subchannel, that means it's time for 346 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: what Chuck listener mail, Yes, Josh, it is. And before 347 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: we do that, we want to send a thank you 348 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: to Dan of the pottery Dan Dan made, Dan made. 349 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: He has a little uh etsy website, Dan made dot 350 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: et s y dot com and he makes pottery. And 351 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: he sent us some really awesome coffee mugs. Yes, Dan 352 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: made very cool mugs. And actually it's my my work mug. 353 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: Now that's what do he is? I noticed cool detail. 354 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: You've got an octopus on yours with a pipe smoking 355 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: a pipe. I can't tell what mine is. It's some 356 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: little dude. But it's just got cool details, got swirls 357 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: in the bottom, little intentions, and only some parts of 358 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: it are glazed and others raw. It's Dan, Maide knows 359 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: what he's doing. So thanks Dan, and you know what, 360 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: you want to bring up people who have been sending 361 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: us little gifts, and it's just really nice to come 362 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: into work and have someone you know, Uh what was 363 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: her name that sent us the Twinkie the homemade Twinkie 364 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: the Kid shirts. I don't remember her name. She's like 365 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: Kaya or something like Kyla. I believe she should write 366 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: in because I told her that I would mention her 367 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: little website too. Okay, yeah, yeah, we got Twinky the 368 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: Kid t shirts because remember we talked about how badly 369 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: we wanted something. So with that listener, ma'am all right, 370 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this, uh organ donation details from someone 371 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: who knows. Uh. Hi, Josh and Chuckers and Jerry. I'm 372 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: an anesthesiologist who specializes an organ transplantation, specifically livers and kidneys. 373 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: In fact, we performed a liver transplant just last night 374 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: and I'm home resting after what is always an exhausting procedure. Ah, 375 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: he thought we might want a few more details about 376 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: organ donations. So he says this um they do not 377 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: get to meet the donor and the recipient until after 378 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: a period of time, usually a year, and only after 379 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: both agreed to meet. But we also had people that 380 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: wrote in and said they met like weeks later, So 381 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: it might vary by hospital or state. Yeah, I'm not sure, 382 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: or maybe there's just an agreement you go into. But 383 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: he says, they can trade letters and get very basic, 384 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: unidentifiable information about each other, but it all gets censored 385 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: by the organ procurement organization. This is because of this 386 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: recipient does not live or the organ fails, the recipient 387 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: or donor won't blame the donor or in their families. Also, 388 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: if the organ works, they don't want the parties involved 389 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: feeling unduly indebted to the donor. After all, it's supposed 390 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: to be a free gift with no strings attached. After 391 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: they have both had time to adjust to their new 392 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: lives and agreed and prepared to meet, they can meet. 393 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: That being said, people can still find each other if 394 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: they are looking in turn to the same websites specifically 395 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: designed to link donor to recipient. Although it is strongly discouraged, 396 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: So maybe that was the deal. They did it in serpticism. 397 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: So I thought somebody came up at the website and 398 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: make money off of people who want to meet the 399 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: people who donated a kidney to them. What a great 400 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: world we live in. I thought your listeners would want 401 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: to know this, and I hope it encourages would be 402 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: donors that they don't have to meet the recipient if 403 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: they think it would be too difficult with guards. Todd. 404 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: Thanks Todd the anesthesiologist. Yeah, and didn't he say that 405 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: it's uh like you. You die very easily if you're 406 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: over anesthetized during a liver Yeah, he's a ps here. 407 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: If you want to know why an anesty caesiologist would 408 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: need to specialize in liver transplantation, ask yourself if you 409 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: would like to wake up during a procedure where patients 410 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: don't tolerate anesthetics very well, and if you would like 411 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: your new liver to have something to cleanse. He says, 412 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: very mysterious. Stud I just asked myself that, and I 413 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: have no answer. 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