1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the business of sports. Should Major League Baseball 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: shorten up the season? How do we present football to 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: the audience of the future. I don't think that most 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: players understand the power that they have. Michael Barr. The 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: future of IndyCar racing is looking bright. Scott Sashnik, very 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: basic math here, more bidders means more money. Evan Nobody Williams. 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: The team value has essentially quadruples. And the leaders in 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: the sports industry time to bring in our guest, al Stiebrunner, 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Bettman, Atlanta Braves president Derek Schiller, 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: Patriots President Jonathan Kraft. Bloomberg Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio. Hello, 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm Michael Barr, I'm Eben Novie Williams, and I'm uncomfortable 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: Scott Sashnik having to do the we part, knowing Evan 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: will not participate, But I'm gonna do it the way 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: that you know. Medina likes us to do it every 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: week at this time plus Monday's, Wednesdays and Thursdays. We 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: thank you. Michael explore the big money issues in the 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: world of sports. On this week's show, we are speaking 18 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: with Arizona Hotshots quarterback Jack Hennigan. But first let's get 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: to this week's topics, and let's start with the the 20 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 1: MLB Awarding Arbitration Belt. Yeah, please explain to me, Well, 21 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 1: I mean this, we should have done this last week, 22 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: but somehow other stuff came up when when this story 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: came out. But bar you know how MLB teams when 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: they want to pay a guy a certain figure and 25 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: the guy the player, wants more, they go to arbitration 26 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: and somebody decides the proper amount. Okay, well, apparently Major 27 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: League Baseball has one of those replica w W E 28 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: belts that the champion of the Big w W Championship belts, 29 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: and apparently MLB and its infinite wisdom has been giving 30 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: this belt as sort of a trophy to the team 31 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: that saves the most money, that wins the most number 32 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: of arbitration awards are saves the most dollars, which doesn't 33 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: seem like a good way to ingratiate your help to 34 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: the players. And I turned it over to Mr Van. Yeah, 35 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: it's it's certainly a bad look. I would posit, or 36 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: I would ask you, guys, how different do you think? 37 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean, the optics of the belt bad. Certainly, How 38 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: different is this? How different is this than you know, 39 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: NFL owners giving Roger Goodell a couple of million dollar 40 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: pay bump because they feel like he did a great 41 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: job in CB a negotip. But see the difference with 42 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: that is you can say, hey, we like Roger Goodell, 43 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,119 Speaker 1: we want to give him a raise. You don't have 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: a belt that says hey, we're stingy. Well, this is 45 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, hey, the the two sides are on 46 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: different sides here, right. Owners want to pay less and 47 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: players want more money. But they'll be supposed to care like, 48 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: sure they do. They're they're in they're in negotiations with 49 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: players ever in five or ten years. It's a really 50 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: bad I agree, it's it's a bad idea that should 51 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: have been nixed a long time ago. But but people, 52 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I assume fans realize that these these sides 53 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: are very often against each other on opposite side of 54 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: the table. Let's talk about the n C Double A 55 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: tournament payouts. All get the payouts bar. Remember I've been 56 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: talking about my neighbor who has the inflatable sparty on 57 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: his front lawn. Yes, go to my Twitter feed. I 58 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: actually put the picture out there. By the way, he 59 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: needs to pump it up a little bit. Sparty looks 60 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: a little flat, but too we love Medina. But on 61 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: the twitter feed, she actually responded, I guess she didn't 62 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: even look like I mean, I put the Michigan State 63 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: Twitter handle the whole thing. She's like, what is that 64 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: a Spartan? Medina? Defend yourself, Okay, I didn't know that 65 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: it was a Spartan one. I didn't know Michigan State's 66 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: mascot was a Spartan. In fact, I thought it looked 67 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: like a Viking. I was going to put Viking, but 68 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: I changed it to Spartan. I'm a native Michigander. Is 69 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: just we just know that the green and white that's 70 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: Michigan State maze in blue Michigan. And by the way, 71 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: what is the mascot for Michigan? A Viking looks like 72 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: it looks like an otter? What is that an otter? Beaver? 73 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's the wolverine. Wolverine anyone anyone movie Wolverines? 74 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: That one. I don't know, go look at it. So 75 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: to bring us back on topic, speaking speaking of speaking 76 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: of the Spartans, the success that the Spartans had in 77 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,679 Speaker 1: the n c A tournament, providing a the largest payout 78 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: the way the n c A gives out money during 79 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: the tournament. You know, each game that that a team plays, 80 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: the conference gets in a six year run, about one 81 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: point eight million dollars for that game. The success that 82 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: the Big Ten had this year better than any other conference, 83 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: led by obviously by Michigan State UM thirty seven point 84 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: eight million dollars at the the Big Ten conference will 85 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: see as a result of success, following right behind a 86 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: c C twenty games played thirty six million dollars SEC 87 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: A surprise here, this is a record I think for 88 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: the SEC nineteen games played thirty four point two million dollars. 89 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: So a lot of money going out there, but the 90 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: Big Ten will come away with the biggest payout. As 91 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this, I've been sort 92 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: of affair. If we're one of these I don't know, 93 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: nonpower conferences and you have a team that's the one 94 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: power team that is certainly going to make the tournament, 95 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: whether they win the conference tournament or not, it would 96 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: be who the rest of the conference to just tell 97 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: that top seeded team take a dive. Yeah, the words 98 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: get a second because you get the automatic birth of 99 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: you win the West First Conference. Perfect example, Gonzaga went 100 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: fairly fair going in St. Mary's got in because they 101 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: beat Gonzaga played an extra game, and that's another one 102 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: million dollars for the conference itself. Thank you very much. 103 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Vista the Perform sale. What's up? Well, 104 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: you know the zone group let of that NIXT perform. 105 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: There's two sides to the business. There was performed, which 106 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: is sort of your OPTA data tracking and betting house 107 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: information that sort of, and then the other side, which 108 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: is sucking up lots of money. John Skipper's zone, which 109 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: is bidding on sports rights all over the globe, wants 110 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: to be a big player. Already is a player and 111 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: maybe been on some big time US sports rights coming up. 112 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: So they sold off or are in the process of 113 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: selling off the performed group side, which is obviously the 114 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: non streaming or O T T service, and that money 115 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: is gonna go to John Skipper. So you know, if 116 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: you're looking around that the global landscape. If I'm a 117 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: league and I'm looking to make some bucks, one of 118 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: my first calls these days gonna be John Skipper and say, 119 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: are you interested in this content? Yeah? Want to want 120 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: to shift and what a transition for this company. Right 121 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: two years ago, this this performed content side of things 122 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: was was the bulk of the business, their business. Now 123 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: they're selling that entire business to pay for the new 124 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: shiny object zwn John Skipper now for this week's interview, 125 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: and he is a friend of the show, friend of 126 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 1: the program, especially after all that happened the a F 127 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: folded and players lost their jobs, including Jack. Were very 128 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: fortunate to talk to him, and God bless uh to 129 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: have Jack Hennigan. He is an Arizona Hotshots quarterback well 130 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: now heavy league Dartmouth College economics degree. Outside of Tom Dundon, 131 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: who was on the show not long ago and doesn't 132 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: seem to returning Evans emails these days, but outside of Dundon, 133 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: who's put in like seventy five million bucks and had 134 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: the option to shut this thing down or not, I 135 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: can't think of a better guest that you'd want to 136 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: have right now asking questions than Jack Hannigan. He's on 137 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: the inside. He was sort of getting his news and 138 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: information like everybody else. He saw players trying to figure out, 139 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: what do we have jobs? Is there a league? Where 140 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: do we go? What do we do? All with the 141 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,119 Speaker 1: critical eye of a guy back with an economics he's saying, 142 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,119 Speaker 1: there's the foot ball side of this story, and there's 143 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: the finance side of this story, and he can help 144 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: us digest both of them. He's lucky that, like you said, 145 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: he has a degree from Dartmouth. So if this is 146 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: the end of the road for the a F, which 147 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: it looks like it is, uh, he can go on 148 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: and do other thing. He's done some private equity work. Uh. 149 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: There's also and we'll discuss this later on with him, 150 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: there's the XFL. He had a cup of coffee with 151 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty niners. So he wants to play football. 152 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: He's made that clear he wants to play football. But 153 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: understanding this story at this time, this is the perfect guy. Well, 154 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: joining us is Jack Henigan. Busy time, Jack, Thanks very 155 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: much for joining us. Yeah, definitely hectic, hectic a couple 156 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: of days, but great to talk to you guys. Well, 157 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: what's the right intro? Are you an a a F 158 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: player or are you a former a F player or 159 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: do you even know the right answer to that question? 160 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: Right now? Um, I think the right answers form a 161 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: f player received sort of the the official word that 162 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: the league was seasing football, and then as players, we 163 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: received official word that we were kind of separated from 164 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: the league. So former is unfortunately the right way to 165 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: describe it. What was the chatter like in the locker room? 166 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: Obviously you're seeing media reports, You're you're seeing tweets. Were 167 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 1: players calling each other, calling coaches or you just sort 168 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: of like stand by, let's see what happens. So before 169 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: our last game, we played the San Antonio Commanders in 170 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: Week Gate, which was our ended up being our last game. 171 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: Before that game is when the kind of initial reports 172 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: came out that included some of the wording from Tom 173 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: Dundon that ceasing operations was on the table. Uh. That 174 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: was unfortunate to hear, but I don't really think impacted 175 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: our preparation. People were asking each other and definitely gossiping 176 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: a little bit, but we wanted to win the win 177 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: the last game if it was our last game, and 178 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: we wanted to you know, put out good film and 179 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: all that. M So I don't think it kind of 180 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: uh changed our mindset too much other than the gossip. 181 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: But things really picked up after that game, you know, 182 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: when we had the sense that, uh, the league might 183 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: end some point during the week. Um, and then obviously 184 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: when we got the news yesterday as a full team, Uh, 185 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: that was kind of hectic ending. Jack, you have an 186 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: economics degree from Darknous. Do you think this would make 187 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: a good case study one day? I think this this 188 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 1: absolutely what I think it'd be. It would be a 189 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: great case study for, um, you know, a venture capital 190 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: class or kind of funding new businesses class. Um, because 191 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a lot of factors of play. 192 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: I think the u the first is that the football 193 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: product and um, you know, don't mean to advocate too 194 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: strongly for for my fellow players, but you know, things 195 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: were going well in the field in terms of developing 196 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: a kind of minor league developmental platform for the NFL. 197 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: The games were on their way there. But the kind 198 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: of the business and the pitch of it as a 199 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: technology product, I think it was a little bit misaligned 200 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: with with how kind of the reality was shaking out 201 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: on the field. So, UM, the struggle there and the 202 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: struggle that um, you know, I can only speculate about 203 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: because it up and behind closed doors between our sort 204 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: of management, UM, would also be be an interesting case study. 205 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: But uh, in my involvement, I was focused on the 206 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: football part and that part was was pretty good. I 207 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: have to ask there were some very sad stories about 208 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: how the players found out. And we're hearing stories that 209 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: players who were on the road, we're stranded, they couldn't 210 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: get back. It's have you heard anything like that? Um, 211 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: I've definitely heard some stories. UM. I know that I heard, 212 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, from a teammate texting me to to look 213 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: at Twitter first before I heard it officially from our 214 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: from our team. UM. But we did have a meeting 215 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: later after kind of the news broke, and I did 216 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: hear some stories about guys who had signed on for 217 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: for one last week where were new new additions to 218 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: different teams and we're we're about to leave, we're going 219 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: to be in transit to their teams and uh, and 220 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: then we had had their flights out canceled. So everybody 221 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: has an interesting story about sort of where they were 222 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: when they heard the news. UM. And it was I 223 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: think frustrate for a lot of guys. How closely do 224 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: you think people were following kind of the financial situation 225 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: of the league. I mean, certainly the payroll problems in 226 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: week two and then Dundon potentially giving two million and 227 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: and and maybe a lot less than that. Um a 228 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 1: couple of weeks later. What how close do you think 229 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: players were really focusing on football versus kind of trying 230 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: to pay attention to how how vibrant the league was 231 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: doing financially. Yeah. I think players were primarily focused on football. 232 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: It's tough to completely block out anything as serious as 233 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: kind of whether or not your employer has has the 234 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: money to pay you. So, so guys weren't unaware. Um 235 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: and I think some of the coaches and our training 236 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: and media and business staff were even more aware because that, uh, 237 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: you know was was their job as well. Um. But 238 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: but players, once the season starts, you know, you get 239 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: in your routine and the football aspect of winning each 240 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: game and taking care of your body, uh takes priority. Um. So, 241 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: so it wasn't a huge distraction for guys. But to 242 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: say that people didn't think about it would would also 243 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: not feature. Is there are you angry? I mean the 244 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: Charlie ever saw, you know a couple of weeks ago 245 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: was ontom Patrick, you know, essentially bragging that you know, 246 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: we're never gonna need money again. He told, you know, 247 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: various news outlets they had three to five years of 248 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: runway before the season started. Tom Dundon was on our 249 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: own podcast a couple of weeks after you were three 250 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: weeks ago, saying how how well things were going since 251 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: he invested, UM, is there a feeling that there were 252 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: people were sold a bill of good series. Bill Polian's angry. 253 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: Steve Spurrier is angry. That's a good question. Are you angry? Yeah? 254 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: I I I don't know if I'd go so far 255 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: to use the word anger, if only because as a player, 256 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: UM kind of this this business, UH should should let 257 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: you know that there's gonna be ups and downs and 258 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: you kind of need to focus on what you can 259 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: control and be in the in the best shape and 260 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: being the best player you can be. But definitely upset 261 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: and and feel upset. UM kind of on the part 262 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: of some of those other parties you mentioned, you know, 263 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: we had with trainers and media staff and kind of 264 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: other UH coaches and supportive, supportive folks that UM put 265 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: a lot into this and expected it to be around 266 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: for you know, a handful of years. You know, the 267 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: player that your career could can honestly end each week, 268 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: um or with each season. But I've definitely, you know, 269 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: got really close with with the kind of the broader 270 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: hot shot the organization and imagine players across the a 271 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: F were similar, um And I'm pretty upset to see 272 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: kind of what they're going through and in some cases 273 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: having moved families out here and all that. Um. But 274 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: but that's that's part of the business. And I think 275 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: the other thing that has frustrated us, particularly in Arizona 276 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: when we were kind of on a good winning street 277 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: here at the end, is that, um, this ended before 278 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: the chance to to finish out the season, and I 279 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: think a couple of teams, Uh, that's part of why 280 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: coach Spurrier's mad. It sounds like I felt like they 281 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: were playing well and wanted, even if it was going 282 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: to be the only championship ever, the the chance to 283 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: compete and pushed towards the a F championship. So uh 284 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: to not even get that opportunity and uh, to not 285 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: get those last couple of games of opportunity to put 286 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: out film and get on you know, NFL radars, I 287 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: think is leaving a lot of guys angry. We're speaking 288 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: with Jack Hennigan quarterback in the A A F. And 289 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: there have been so many theories about why the league 290 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: just went belly up. UH. Some are saying that the 291 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: league tried to bite off too much. What are your 292 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: thoughts about it? What? What do you think happened? Yeah, 293 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that I can can fully address some 294 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: of the theories that are out there about you know, 295 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: UH Tom Dundon's motivations for investing or um, you know, 296 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: different things related to kind of the corporate infrastructure. But 297 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: I can say, just as a player and an observer, 298 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: I think the UH there seemed to be a little 299 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: bit of a mismatch between what UH we were doing 300 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: on the field, where the coaches and you know, team 301 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: we're doing with us, and what kind of the league 302 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: might have been been pitching itself. As rebillianself as I 303 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: think UH patients is definitely would have been a virtue 304 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: with something like this where the kind of the you 305 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: know end goal or the you know, ideal end products 306 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: would be a healthy kind of thriving minor league for 307 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: the NFL. UM that's that's not necessarily aligned with you know, 308 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: venture capital, fast growth type and smith that it sounds 309 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: like was made initially and was maybe a part of 310 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: Tom Dungeon's thesis. So that's that's kind of the way 311 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: I look at it, that that if you look at 312 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: just the football only, um, it was getting towards what 313 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: kind of it should have been in the sense that 314 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: it looked like, you know, at the second half of 315 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: an NFL preseason game, and guys were putting out good 316 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: film and legitimately positioning themselves to go back to the NFL. 317 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: But um, you know, to to just be a healthy 318 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: D league, I think is different than something that you 319 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: invest two or fifty million dollars. And to add to that, 320 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I would argue that there was also kind 321 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: of a disconnect between the you know, the the vision 322 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: that the founders had and the vision of the money. Um. 323 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: And you know, you're you're a Bay Area guy. This 324 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: is a tale as old as time in Silicon Valley, 325 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: right that that you have founders of a startup who 326 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: envisioned it as X, and when they need money they 327 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: turned to person why to help fund it? Um And 328 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: oftentimes and it seems like what happened here, you know, 329 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: you you give up a lot of a lot of 330 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: the rights about the future of the company when you 331 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: take a check as large as they did, um, and 332 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: it left the control of in the decision making in 333 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: the hands of someone that wasn't them UM and Scott, 334 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, you know, Bill Polian not didn't seem 335 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: happy about this decision, but it seemed to be a 336 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: decision that rested solely in the hands of not the founders, 337 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: but the person who kind of came in and delivered 338 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: money when they needed around. Well, that's the lesson Jack. 339 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: You took the class that anybody can have the money, 340 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: but you have to have the strategic vision a lined 341 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I think uh And I 342 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: saw your your tweet about because this being built when 343 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: it came out as a series Infinity round and uh 344 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: that that's not always you know, the best um for 345 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: for every business and people need to know what they're 346 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: getting into. And I think what you're seeing now is 347 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: unfortunately the results of that. So given your background, you know, 348 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: in economics, and you know that you've you've seen this league, 349 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: you know through through seven eight weeks, do you think 350 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: that springtime football, another professional football league that that exists 351 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: in the spring, is a viable business plan if done 352 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: properly In the US. I think so, if only because 353 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: you see uh sort of comparable levels of sports, whether 354 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: it's Triple A baseball or the the G League or 355 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: some of the kind of second tier hockey, your best 356 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: hockey leagues as well exists. You know, I don't think 357 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: it's going to be a viable business that, like I said, 358 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: raises you know, quarter of a billion dollars and UH 359 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: is kind of an end product or finished product right 360 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: out of the box. But I think with patients and UM, 361 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: with kind of the right structure and uh, slowly but 362 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: surely building uh something that that people are used to 363 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: as a brand and something that could maybe partner with 364 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: h the established league in the NFL. UM, I think 365 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: that could exist. But uh, you know, we need to 366 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: be done a little bit differently, I think than at 367 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: least the last U two iterations as you've seen in 368 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: the the the U A F and the XFL where 369 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: it kind of came out a little bit maybe over 370 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: at SKIS in the media. That's so Jack, let's close 371 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: on this. Then we do know that Vince Mahn is 372 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: coming with the XFL. One is that a better moddle 373 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: because he's got the cash and to what is it 374 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: for you should they call? Is that a fully once 375 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: or is not? I'm willing to take another shot. Um, 376 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: that's a that's a good question. I think. I don't 377 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: really know much about the NFL or sorry, the XFL. UM. 378 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: I do know that, uh that having kind of one 379 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: soul investor who is also the founder is probably a 380 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: good thing and is a little bit different than our 381 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: situation was here. I'd be interested in playing, definitely. I'm, 382 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: you know, one day off of my most recent league folding, 383 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: so I'm not going to commit to anything yet, but 384 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: would like to keep playing this sport. So I'm training 385 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: and I will be ready hopefully if the NFL calls, 386 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: or you know, if other leagues exist, I would be 387 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: willing to give him a look. All right, Jack Hendian, 388 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: thanks very much, and Mattie where you are, we'll be watching, 389 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: all right, Thank you guys. Time now for takeaways. UM 390 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: this one. I don't know why this bothers me as 391 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: much as it does, because now when I was taking 392 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: away from this interview, you have to remember we're talking 393 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: to a man just lost his job. Now, fortunately he 394 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: has a degree to fall back on, but I think 395 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: about those other guys who that's it. This was football. 396 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: This is this is how I put food. Jack said, 397 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: by the way, party go beyond that. It's not just 398 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: about the players, because he said, I've fostered relationships throughout 399 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: the organization. You have media relations people, you have people 400 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: parking lot attendants. There's a lot of people employed by 401 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: these franchises. This is how they put They put a 402 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: roof over their head and then in eight weeks, bam, 403 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: it's gone. And and it just that to me, that's 404 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: something that's sacred to me, is like any man or 405 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: woman should be able to make a living. And when 406 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: it's taken away, I always feel bad about that. And 407 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: I feel bad for the people who put it with 408 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: Charlie ever saw Uh and I and Bill Pollion, I 409 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,239 Speaker 1: feel bad too. This was their dream and it just 410 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: blew apart. Jandrea Ocastio Barr Jack was very a oh b. 411 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: Jack was level headed about the whole thing. We're hearing 412 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: more and more information now about the situation that a 413 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: lot of coaches and players found themselves in. There are 414 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: definitely people out there that are angry right as Salt 415 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: Lake Stallion's linebacker Jihnny Paul was on Twitter this week. 416 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: You know, he played a game, broke his arm. Less 417 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: than two days later, the league folded. He's looking for 418 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: an apartment. He needs to pay his own medical bills 419 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: now for his broken arm. Um, he needs money to 420 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: to to fund the apartment. This is a situation that 421 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: I think a lot of these players are now finding themselves. 422 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: We haven't seen people kicked out of hotels. There were 423 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: players on the road who had to pay their airfare 424 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: back home. Um, he certainly, you know, I don't want 425 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: to speak for Tom Dundon. We don't fully understand the 426 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: reasons why this thing folded, but you would think that 427 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: a billionaire might be willing to allow the thing to 428 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: fold in a graceful manner. And it certainly doesn't feel 429 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: as though that happened in this situation. Well, Mdina, you 430 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: had a very simple question that maybe others are wondering about. 431 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: Is there really a need for the a F two 432 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: people really want to watch football in the spring. I 433 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: think that's a question that needs to be answered because 434 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: we are knee jerk reaction to insatiable appetite for football, insatiable, insatiable, 435 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: instatiable people love the NFL. Does that mean and that's 436 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: a great question. Does that mean and of course this 437 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be the NFL, it doesn't have to 438 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: be what that is. But is there an appetite? Is 439 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 1: there a market for a demand for spring football? You 440 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: we I mean we asked Jack that exact question, and 441 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: you heard his answer. I think next year we're gonna 442 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: probably find out the answer once and for all, right 443 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: many times. But Vince McMahon has sold stock, he is 444 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: well capitalized. He certainly understands the TV world, the entertainment world. Uh. 445 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: If we get to this point next year and a 446 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 1: f folded after before one year was out, and XFL 447 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: doesn't make it a year two, then I think maybe 448 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: we have an answer about whether or you know, springtime 449 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: professional football is something that can ever really exist in 450 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: today's climate. It feels better to be number one than 451 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: number five. I'll wear a number because of Mike. We 452 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: have a chance to go for three in a row. 453 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: Kid numbers at a good time, and I's first started 454 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: wearing the number. How would just have the floomberg business 455 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: of sports? The number of the week? Time? Now for 456 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: the number of the week, it is easy sailor six day. 457 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: Bubba Wallace sixty Kevin Harvick. The way you're saying it 458 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: makes me think that that's a hint. It's something with 459 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: race car NASCAR. He didn't want to get scolded the 460 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: slowest pitch thrown in the first week of Major League 461 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: Now you're on the right track. Sixty. All I can 462 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: say about this is this organization has been around for 463 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: its sixty years. All I can say is we put 464 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: bar in charge of one thing each week, the number 465 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: of the week. That's all I will see. Thousand nineteen 466 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: around for sins, the Detroit Lions. No, no Detroit Lions, 467 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: that's footballers, Tigers, the Mets. Sixty two Mets were the 468 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: worst ever. Well, yes they were, but but this is 469 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: the sixty year for the Mets. Okay, that was your 470 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: Business of Sports number of the weeks, that was the number. Yeah. 471 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: You know what, I remember seeing the sixty nine World 472 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: Series because we came after the sixty eight World Series 473 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: at the Detroit Tigers one. And then as a little boy, 474 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: is like, wow, baseball must be good. So then I 475 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: saw the sixty nine Mets and I was watching, you know, 476 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: the fans tear up sha stadium when they won. That 477 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: surprised me when they did that. I'm confused. The Mets 478 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: sixty two is the first year, right, But wouldn't this 479 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: how do we get how do we get to six 480 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: to get the sixties? Well, wait a minute, wouldn't this 481 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: be sixty wouldn't this be the the sixtieth season for 482 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: the Mets to sixty two? Wow? Maybe I'm an idiots. 483 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: Maybe fifty nine, fifty six, fifty seven. I'm gonna look 484 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: it up. Hold on, we made a number of the week, 485 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: number of the week. Actually, we should just keep this going. 486 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: In charge of one thing, step and can you? Can 487 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: you play this and then bring up some clown car 488 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: music from bar? Where did you read this? I swear 489 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: I thought this was of the Mets. Guys. This is 490 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: not scripted. It turns out the better answer was Kevin Harvey. 491 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Oh my god, you guys keep talking. 492 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: Go ahead, It's the fiftieth anniversary of the sixty nine 493 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: World Series that night. It might be what you're thinking of, 494 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: a couple of years away from sixty At the risk 495 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: of some some podcast reviewers saying that we're looking to 496 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: both our old brands here, No, yeah, not, it's close. 497 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: It all all right? So from Michael Barr a calculator. 498 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: That was that was That was bad, folks. Why did 499 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: you use your like your advocacy. I was, I was 500 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: thinking and Beads left it right. I was, you know 501 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: what I was. I don't ask me. Dang okay, unbelievable. 502 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: All right, So the number is now you've been listening, 503 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: and I hope you continue to listen to the Bloomberg 504 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: Business of Sports. We're here each and every week at 505 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: the same time, plus on online as an Apple podcast. 506 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: You can catch the show Mondays, Days and Thursdays. Michael 507 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: Marker on Twitter at Big Bar Sports. I'm Evan Nobe Williams. 508 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: I think I'm not even sure what's real anymore. You 509 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: can follow me on Twitter at NOVI Underscore Williams. I have. 510 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I've just got slashing, but I've lost my pages, 511 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: I've lost everything. I give me, give me your Twitter handle. 512 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: It's it's no underscoring my last day in there somewhere 513 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: just looking up your Monday. Oh man, you're listening to 514 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio around the world.