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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Gray.

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Speaker 2: This is very concerning to us. We don't typically you

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Speaker 2: don't typically get the sheriff out at a scene like this,

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Speaker 2: but it's very concerning what we're learning from the house,

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Speaker 2: and so we'll just continue the detectives there. A homicide

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Speaker 2: team is out right now looking at the scene as well.

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Speaker 1: What is it about the scene that concerns you.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get into those details. I would

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Speaker 2: just tell you that it's certainly a great concern to us.

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Speaker 3: Just what we see there, and we'll continue to look.

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Speaker 1: So you suspect foul play, I'm not willing it out.

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Speaker 1: Would you gauge the chances are that it's foul play?

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Speaker 1: Would you be willing to give us any idea on that.

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Speaker 2: I hope it's not. I hope we find her.

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Speaker 1: I hope we find her safe. And so out tonight,

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Speaker 1: our friend Savannah Guthrie needs our help, including you. Her

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Speaker 1: eighty four year old mother in Arizona is missing right now,

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Speaker 1: is being treated as a crime scene. Straight out to

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Speaker 1: Dave mac joining US investigative reporter Crime Stories, Dave, what

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Speaker 1: do we know?

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Speaker 2: We know that Nancy, a relative called nine to one

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Speaker 2: one yesterday just around twelve noon and reported Nancy Guthrie,

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Speaker 2: eighty four years old, missing. Now, Nancy, there are several

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Speaker 2: things to consider here. The Sheriff's department has already said

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Speaker 2: this looks like a crime scene in that house. They

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Speaker 2: They even brought in homicide detectives early. Nancy, I do

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Speaker 2: you want to clarify that Nancy Guthrie, eighty four years old,

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Speaker 2: lives in Catalina Foothills, which is just north of Tucson, Arizona.

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Speaker 2: She was last seen Saturday night around nine thirty. It

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Speaker 2: And I've got to assume there's more to it based

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Speaker 1: Guys at this hour, our friend, my former coworker, Savannah Guthrie,

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Speaker 1: needs our help. Her mother, her eighty four year old mother,

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Speaker 1: has gone missing. Nancy Guthrie gone last scene Sunday night.

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Speaker 1: Missus Guthrie five five, one hundred and fifty pounds, brown hair,

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Speaker 1: Now this is in the Catalina Foothills near Tucson in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Please look at this photo. We know what Savannah looks like.

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Speaker 1: This is her mother. Please help us find this eighty

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Speaker 1: four year old mom. Another thing I'm learning, Dave, Mike,

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Speaker 1: hold on, Dave, I'm being joined now by not only

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, our friend joining us out of LA,

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Speaker 1: but Brian Fitzgibbons. He is the director of Operations for

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Speaker 1: USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a team of investigators that

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Speaker 1: uspasecurity dot Com. Brian, thank you for joining us tonight. Brian.

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Speaker 1: I know this. I know that we're being told. Up

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Speaker 1: behind are her keys, her ID, her purse, her phone, everything.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're learning at this hour. What do we

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Speaker 1: out of there, Brian, So what do we do right now?

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Speaker 1: I would immediately bring in canines, both types of k nines,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Nancy and Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos has made some

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Speaker 4: immediate coordination to have those things happen. You had canine

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Speaker 1: Okay, Brian Fitzgibbons, I just made a horrible, horrible mistake,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. I just when Brian was talking about

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Speaker 3: She must be terrified, you know, because you have a

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Speaker 3: So Savannah already is struggling with feelings and has been.

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Speaker 1: Kid, doctor Bethany. That just adds more suffering onto Savannah

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Speaker 1: to think that somehow someone targeted her mother because of her.

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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime Story's investigative reporter, we are hearing that

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Speaker 1: missus Guthrie, Nancy Guthrie vanished shortly after being dropped off

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what we know is that she was dropped off,

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Speaker 2: by herself, Nancy. And it was the next morning. I

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Speaker 2: A couple of other things to point out, Nancy. Law

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Speaker 2: it is really timely right now. Time is of the essence, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Another thing, Dave matt Hey, let me throw this to

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Speaker 1: what should be happening right now, Brian. Nancy Guthrie, Savannah's

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Speaker 4: We have the Pima County Sheriff clearly identifying that this

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Speaker 4: she was dropped off, and that this is.

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Speaker 1: And in just a few hours, Brian, we've got a

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Speaker 1: very narrow timeline. She's dropped off of the church function

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Speaker 4: That's incredibly helpful because what law enforcement is doing now

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Speaker 1: Savannah, of course, has the left New York and is

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Speaker 1: no way Savannah Guthrie would sit home while other people

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Speaker 1: crime story is investigatory. Did I understand that the FBI

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Speaker 2: They have been, Nancy, and you know, authorities are not

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Speaker 2: aware of any threats against Savannah Guthrie. But Nancy, you

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Speaker 2: not be unusual for threats against her. They're not saying that,

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Speaker 2: But the FBI is aware of this case, as is

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Speaker 2: US Customs and Border Protection also assisting Nancy. You know,

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Speaker 2: they brought in all the asset drones, helicopters and everything

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Speaker 2: right away, but you know, we have found out they've

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Speaker 2: all been sent home at this point. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what they found out, but certain aspects of this investigation

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Speaker 2: are changing.

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Speaker 1: Guys, if you know or think you know anything about

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Speaker 1: the disappearance of Savannah's mom, Nancy Guthrie, please dial five

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Speaker 1: two zero three five one forty nine hundred, pete five

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Speaker 1: two zero three five one forty nine hundred, and of course,

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Speaker 1: please join us in prayer that Nancy Guthrie is brought home,

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Speaker 1: alive and wealth