1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decades. Most importantly, you are you, You 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: want you to know, folks. Today's episode takes us across 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: the planet to a grizzly and continuing mystery. We're exploring 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: a story with at times terrifying and graphic depictions of 12 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: violence and depravity, as well as profoundly disturbing implications for 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: the present day. As such, this may not be suitable 14 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: for all listeners. This is the tale of Nigeria's so 15 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: called Forest of Horror. Here are the facts. First, let's 16 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: get our Western heads around Nigeria. It's it's no secret 17 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 1: that in the West, in the US and Europe, reporting 18 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: of any country in the African continent is often beset 19 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: by a lot of prejudice, by a lot of sensationalism, 20 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: and by a lot of UM, I don't know, like 21 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: you could call it the shadow of colonialism. So as 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: a result, I would argue many people in the West 23 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: don't understand how big a deal Nigeria actually is. It's 24 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: it's a huge deal. It's true. It's the most populous 25 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: country in the entire African continent, and historically it's been 26 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: home to several ancient kingdoms UM, way before Western Europeans 27 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: started colonizing the area UM in the eighteen hundreds. This 28 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: is a very old civilization with UM tradition and history 29 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: dating back centuries. While its roots date back deep into 30 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: historical record, modern Nigeria could be described or viewed as 31 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: a relatively young country. Uh. It became officially independent UH 32 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: as recently as October of nineteen sixty and today you'll 33 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: find that it's a multinational state that's made up of 34 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: more than two hundred and fifty separate ethnic groups UM 35 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: speaking collectively more than five hundred distinct languages. Ya. So 36 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: take that American melting pot, You've got a ways to go. UH. 37 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: This is also this is also home to some of 38 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: the world's largest populations of people practicing Islam and people 39 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: practicing Christianity. At the same time, most of the Muslim 40 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: population is going to be in the northern region and 41 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: the Christian population concentrated in the south. And like every country, 42 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: every large country, especially Nigeria, is to a degree a 43 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: study and contradiction. When when you hear these facts, folks, 44 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: please don't think that this is us casting aspersion. We're 45 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: well aware that the United States has a ton of 46 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: problems too, right, So no that every every country is 47 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: in a glass house after a certain threshold. It's just 48 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: I think these contradictions will be surprising to a lot 49 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: of people who are not familiar with Nigeria itself exactly. Uh. 50 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: One thing we always talk about when we when we 51 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: bring up the continent of Africa is the western resource 52 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: extraction interests that often pop up in stories that we discuss, 53 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: and Nigeria is one of the one of the places 54 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: in Africa that it's just full of natural resources all 55 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: kinds of stuff zinc, iron, coal, limestone, lead, uh and 56 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: one of the main resources oil, all kinds of oil 57 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: reserves underneath the earth there. And largely for that reason, 58 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: Nigeria is I believe been the twenty five largest economy 59 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: in the world and definitely the largest economy on the 60 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: African continent. Yeah, yeah, largest in terms of GDP gross 61 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: domestic product, and that's why it has That's that's why 62 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: it's referred to at times by geopoliticians. I guess you 63 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: would call them and the business interests of the world 64 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: as the Giant of Africa. It's not just oil and gas. 65 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: It's got tons of coal, lead, tin, zinc, limestone. And 66 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Matt. It suffers from what is called 67 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: the resource curse, which is which is the seemingly contradictory 68 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: position a lot of developing countries find themselves in their 69 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: resources could be immensely profitable for the government of that 70 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: place and for its people, but instead these resources seem 71 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: to be extracted by foreign powers, whether private or other 72 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: state actors, and with those extraction agreements comes a great 73 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: deal of corruption. This is a part of why Nigeria is, again, 74 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: like many many countries, beset by problems. The Human Development 75 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: Index finds that Nigeria is right now as we recording, 76 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: one of the most corrupt nations on the planet. Remember, 77 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: corruption is just like one genre of crime. You know, 78 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: if you go into the Baskin Robbins of crime, corruption 79 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: is one of the flavors. How many flavors does basket 80 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: robins have one? Because thirty one alright, so so yes, 81 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: corruption is one of those thirty ish flavors. UH crime 82 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: is high, especially in certain areas of the country. And 83 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: if you if you go to your local UM webs 84 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: like if you go to your own countries website or 85 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: travel advisory thing we have the State Department here in 86 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: the US, then you will likely see warnings against visiting 87 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: certain areas. These include the Niger Delta parts of the 88 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: northern regions of Nigeria, and they're duty concerns about the 89 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: likelihood of street crime against tourists or against foreigners, robbery, assault, 90 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: active activities of terrorist groups like Boko Haram, which is 91 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: still around even though the news doesn't report on it anymore, 92 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: and kidnapping, which is a not infrequent crime and plays 93 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: a big part in today's story. It's a matter of fact. 94 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: In the Gulf of Guinea where the waters along the 95 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: Nigerian coast, there are still pirates to this day, modern 96 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: day pirates, so it does have dangers to it, and 97 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: then they often are some of the ones perpetrating the kidnappings, 98 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: but also targeting merchant vessels and things like that. I mean, yeah, exactly, 99 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: And in many cases, you know, you have to exercise 100 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: a degree of empathy and understand that a lot of 101 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: folks don't wake up and think when I grow up, 102 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: I can't wait to commit crimes. People are driven there 103 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: through systemic economic problems. So that's just an important piece 104 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: of context. Add whenever we have this conversation, still there 105 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: we go. It's a melting pot of ancient cultures, it's 106 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: an economic powerhouse. Nigeria is still carries the intergenerational effects 107 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: of colonization, the resource curse. It's currently out of a 108 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety plus you and acknowledge countries, it gets sticky, 109 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, as other countries get mad about it. Out 110 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: of all of those, out of almost two hundred countries, 111 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: Nigeria has ranked sev uh least peaceful out of all 112 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: the countries on the planet. And despite the way it's 113 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: portrayed so often in Western media, again, it's really important 114 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: for us who have not been to Nigeria to remember, 115 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: like every other place in the world, it's chock full 116 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: of regular people. They're just doing their best to navigate 117 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: day to day challenges, just like anyone else. You know 118 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: what I mean, just like anybody else. Regular people are thinking, ah, man, 119 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: I really got a pee or I need to eat lunch, 120 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: stuff like that. That's where today's story starts with regular people, 121 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: a group of people kind of co workers of a sort. 122 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: Uh are there these motorcycle taxi drivers and in place 123 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: called Ibadan, which is the capital city of Nigeria's oh 124 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: Eos state. If you if you look on a map 125 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: just for reference, uh oh Eo is like to the 126 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: southwest of of Nigeria. It's in that part of the area, 127 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: just to give you a mental map. And in one 128 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: of these one of these cyclists went missing. The drivers 129 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: felt local police weren't helping out, which was not an 130 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: infrequent uh not an uncommon opinion in that area. The 131 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: police are largely considered to be corrupt. So this guy's 132 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: colleagues took the search in their own hands, and they 133 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: were not prepared for what they would find. There's no 134 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: way they really could be. Here's where it gets crazy. 135 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: Calling this next part text from a ghost. They'll see 136 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: why in a second. So these taxi drivers, their friend 137 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: doesn't just go missing. This guy, a man known as 138 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: Kasim in the in the media, UH He is part 139 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: of a group called the Occata Riders. That's the group 140 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: of these taxi drivers, their friends, they hang out. Some 141 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: of them are relatives. They're all connected as the point, 142 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: and they start receiving these cryptic, very disturbed text messages 143 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,479 Speaker 1: from Cuisine. He says he's been kidnapped, not just kidnapped, 144 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: but he's being held captive somewhere in the Soca forest. 145 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: Soca is like kind of think of a suburb or 146 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: it's a satellite community of Ibadan, which is the capital, 147 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: and Soca is off of the Lagos Ibadon Expressway, so 148 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: just the situated there. And if you're thinking about Ohio, 149 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: the state we were talking about, where it is in 150 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: the kind of the southwestern area of Nigeria itself. Ibadon, 151 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: the capital, is just south of Ohio, so connecting basically 152 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: ebdon An Yo. There's um a series of roads, one 153 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: of the main, very main highway, and that's what we're 154 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: talking about right here. And Kau seems friends know this 155 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: is not a prank, This is not some sort of 156 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: uh reality show situation. They know it because kidnapping for 157 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: any number of reasons is unfortunately not an infrequent occurrence 158 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: in Nigeria. And importantly, kidnappers don't just target you know, 159 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: hapless tourists. Anybody can become a victim. The text that 160 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: Consim sends to his relatives and to his colleagues described 161 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: the area to the best of his ability, but it's 162 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: very you know, it's difficult to do so. And he 163 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: says that he is currently with eight other people, eight 164 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: other strangers in an underground dungeon somewhere in the forest. 165 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: And this isn't much. But his colleagues as relatives, they 166 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: take it seriously. They first go to the police, and 167 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: the police don't do anything. It's it's at least perceived 168 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: that way. The group, like the friends of this person Causim, 169 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: didn't see any police activity. They weren't a learner of 170 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: any police activity. You know, there was nothing. If there 171 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: was some kind of investigation, it wasn't happening in the 172 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: open right exactly, and they weren't being clued in. They 173 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: felt stone walled. That ignored important to New We'll talk 174 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: about reporting too in this episode. At this point, the 175 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,359 Speaker 1: story kind of diverges into a couple of different narratives. 176 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: The New Telegraph, for instance, says that leading up to 177 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: this three cyclists in total had gone missing, but other 178 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: news sources focus only on this cuisine guy, and it 179 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: may be because it was Kasim's friends who were able 180 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: to make some headway despite the plausibility of a kidnapping. 181 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: Because the local police seemed dismissive, incorrupt, the drivers banded together. 182 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: They took the search into their own hands. They say, 183 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna find our friend, and they did find something. 184 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: We'll tell you what they found after a word from 185 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: our sponsor. All right, so you are a member of 186 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: the Okada writers, right, or you are a member of 187 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: Kasim's extended family, and you're going off very little information, 188 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: so you start searching all of the areas that might 189 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: match up to what this guy is talking about in 190 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: his text. Eventually, you and this group stumble across a 191 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: building that no one has seen before. None of you 192 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: are familiar with it. It's it's kind of newish, but 193 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: it's in poor repair, and there's an eerie silence hanging 194 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: over the air. You can maybe maybe here some mechanics 195 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: working in the distance. They'll appear in the story later, 196 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: but at first it just looks like a disused warehouse. 197 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: It does before we really give those details. Been, I 198 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: just want to reiterate to everybody, how, in my mind 199 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: unlikely it is that this small group, relatively small group 200 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: of people out searching for their friend was able to 201 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: discover this compound because the number of square kilometers or 202 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: miles that they had to cover between those two places. Uh, 203 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: it's just it's mind it's mind boggling to me, the 204 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: number of places that they had to have searched or 205 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: you know, that they could have stumbled upon that wasn't 206 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: this place, but they did find it. I don't know. 207 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: To me, that's that's pretty miraculous and incredib and incredible. 208 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: But what they you know, as you said, Been, what 209 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: they did find is is I don't even want to 210 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: talk about. Hey, no, you want to tell people what 211 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: they I'm a I'm a glutton for punishment. Uh, let 212 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: me take it. Yeah, it's it's it's rough. Um, so 213 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: prepare yourself. It's no joke. Um. They, like you said, 214 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: they stummed upon this compound. It was a massive warehouse 215 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: eat type space and very poor repair, and upon entering 216 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: it they found something utterly shocking and disturbing. Around twenty 217 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: decomposing bodies piled up throughout the compound, various dismembered body parts, 218 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: college identification cards. That's the part that really creeps me out. 219 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: I mean it all creeps me out. Which is that 220 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: part discarded you know, uh, clothing you know, um, just 221 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: just scattered all throughout the interior of the building, passports, 222 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: baby shoes. It was an absolute slaughter house. I mean truly, 223 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, an abattoir. There were though I wouldn't call 224 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: this quality of life, but people were alive in there 225 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: had been chained like animals, um, malnourished, gaunt and weathered 226 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: and emaciated. One woman that was found claimed to have 227 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: given birth recently and that her child was then taken 228 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: by whomever was acting as their jailers. Another victim died 229 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: very quickly after being discovered. Um. The details are a 230 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: little bit hazy. UM. There's some differing reports on just 231 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:24,479 Speaker 1: how many people were found alive or roaming the compound 232 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: and some sort of fugue state. UM, but it's estimated 233 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: that eight to ten people were found in chains, and 234 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: maybe as many as twenty or more overall at the site. Yeah, 235 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: some allegedly in an underground tunnel, some chained out in 236 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: the open and then some wandering just just wandering the premise, 237 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: And there were a lot of bodies that were found 238 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: in the bushes. Some have been put in other buildings 239 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: on the compound. The passports and the idea stand out 240 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: to me as well. I was able to find the 241 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: names that were on the I d s. But we're 242 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: not going to put him in the show of because 243 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: this should be an ongoing investigation should be We'll get 244 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: to that in a second. So let's also mentioned the 245 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: the large number of human remains that were found. There 246 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: were just bones. They were scattered all over the place, 247 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: not just in specific buildings, but just in the wooded 248 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: areas on the ground. We're talking full human skulls and 249 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: other bones just line around right, which means that these 250 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 1: people had died at different times, so this could be 251 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: called a mass grave, but these people didn't die all 252 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: at the same time, and the people who were still 253 00:17:54,800 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: alive clearly bore signs of trauma and injury. There are 254 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: also things like hands discovered that weren't that experts weren't 255 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: able to link to another body or set of bones 256 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: on the site. So for the people who make this 257 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: initial discovery, this is a horror movie, A hellish scene 258 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: come to life. They freed the victims that they found, 259 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: they made their escape, they went to the authorities. They 260 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: did not find their friend who had been texting them, 261 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: and they did not see any people who appeared to 262 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: be the perpetrators of these crimes, at least at this time. 263 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: Word spreads like wildfire throughout the community. People in the 264 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: capital and beyond the Odio capital and beyond, families who 265 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: have their own missing relatives from other states, from other 266 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: parts of the country. They all start flocking to the area. 267 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: It becomes too big for law enforcement to ignore. This 268 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: sparks a nationwide controversy, uh and the the authorities start 269 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: making public statements. Let's go to Ohio State Police spokesperson 270 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: A Labisi Ilio Bountifour, and also we are not native 271 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: speakers of languages of Nigeria. Illo Bountifour says, police are 272 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: launching a murder investigation and when they arrived, they even 273 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: arrest some suspects at the scene. This is fascinating. They've 274 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: arrested six suspects. Five of these were security guards that 275 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: were apparently armed with guns as well as bows and arrows. 276 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: But these six individuals are not publicly named, and very 277 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: quickly they disappear from the news. Remember what we say 278 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: about speculation and transparency. In the absence of transparency, speculation thrives. 279 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: This warehouse is also interesting to authorities because it appears 280 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: to be a recent construction. The Soca area is being 281 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: developed at this time, and it looks like, uh, some 282 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: building companies, This is the initial thought. It looks like 283 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: some building companies or some kind of company created this 284 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: compound and then abandoned it. May be abandoned it when 285 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: they were done with their nearby work. Maybe it was 286 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: just like to store equipment. Um, maybe they abandoned it 287 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: when some other project was complete. Unclear, unclear to this day. Actually, 288 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: and then the locals start saying something really interesting. They say, 289 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: this is not a new problem at all. In fact, 290 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: they say, we have been going to local law enforcement 291 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: for years reporting mysterious disappearances in the area, and in 292 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: every case we are dismissed, We're brushed off. And then, 293 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: remember we talked about the sound maybe of some nearby mechanics. 294 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: There are mechanics who operate near the site, and they 295 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: say they had no knowledge of any crimes taking place 296 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: until these motorcycle taxi guys discover the compound, but they 297 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: say it is weird that they see a lot of 298 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: posh vehicles heading to and from this site, often under 299 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: the cover of night. This is not a place where, 300 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: by the way, you would ordinarily see like a range 301 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: Rover or Mercedes just cruising through. No, not at all. 302 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: I just have to bring this up, guys. It's so 303 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: odd to me that people working anywhere near this compound 304 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't have known something was amiss. And it's only because 305 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: of the reporting I've seen of the smell of these 306 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: areas side and how far that smell permeated or are 307 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: spread rather throughout the area. There were multiple locations within 308 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: the compound and outside the compound where decaying human remains 309 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: existed and just sat and uh. The there was one 310 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: I think it was one specific reporter from Sahara Reporters 311 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: at least that was the outlet that I had seen 312 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: it on a couple of YouTube reports done where even 313 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: well after the fact, after this place had been discovered, 314 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: after it had been even cleaned up a little bit, 315 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: there was this smell eat as you approach um. So 316 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: it's just it's odd to me that people wouldn't notice 317 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: that it's the smell of death. Is that is the issue? 318 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: Death has its own smell. Unfortunately, it's easily and fingers 319 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: and it spreads, and it's not something a mistake for 320 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: anything else. Right, It's not not to sound too woo 321 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: woo or hippie, but I believe it smells very different 322 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: from just decaying meat. Uh. And this this calls into 323 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: question a couple of other things. Uh. One of the 324 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: survivors talks about hearing screams when she is abducted, and 325 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: she said she didn't know if that was the sound 326 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: of people being harmed or if it was the sound 327 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: of someone giving birth. So we have to wonder how 328 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: close these mechanics were and how sound carries through the forest. 329 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: This is not looking good. In short, locals begin to 330 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: fear that what the community has discovered is something more 331 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: than a lunatic going ed gain and just murdering people. 332 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: Due to their own mental state. They believe that someone 333 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: has stumbled across a business that some entity or some 334 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: powerful group was mutilating, torturing, murdering these people for a 335 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: specific purpose, a grizzly magical purpose. And it may sound 336 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: weird if you are unfamiliar with the history of the 337 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: area to all of a sudden mention magic or magical practices. 338 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: But this belief, as surprising as it may sound to outsiders, 339 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: does not come from thin air. There is a long 340 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: running system of belief amid certain groups in Nigeria, that 341 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: and and throughout other parts of the world. By the 342 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: way that human body parts can be used in magical 343 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: rituals to grant financial uh financial or political success, to 344 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: protect you from other evil spells or physical harm, methods 345 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: for obtaining the favor of a lover or harming an enemy. 346 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: The favor of a lover one is a little bit different. 347 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: That's more of a body bodily fluid thing. But but 348 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: this is real and if you want to learn more 349 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: about similar practices, then you can check out our earlier 350 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: work on the dangers posed to people with Albanism in 351 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: certain parts of of the African continent. Is that because 352 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: it's seen as some kind of curse or some kind 353 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: of mystical something, there's a lot of folklore and superstition 354 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: surrounding people who have the condition of Albanism, and it 355 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: really affects the social integration of people with Albanism in 356 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: their local communities. Also, it's a depending on where you 357 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: live on the continent, it's already really rough just from 358 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: a physical just from a physical standpoint because of the 359 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: son exposure. So there's yeah, there's a lot, there's a 360 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: lot of straying on people in those in those communities, 361 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: especially children. If you have a child who has Albanism, 362 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: in some communities, that's seen as a bad omen. They're 363 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: treated as unwanted. So there's infant aside occurs as well. 364 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: Let's quickly go back a little bit just to this 365 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: concept of what what locals began to imagine or think 366 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: what was occurring there? Right, And we've got we've got, 367 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: uh some of the beliefs tied to perhaps magical or 368 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: other some some type of rituals, uh that people could 369 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: have been used for, body parts could have been used for. 370 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: There's also very you know, humanity has a very real 371 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: relationship with human sacrifice. I just looked to your nearest 372 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: Bible to see great examples of all the human sacrifice 373 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: that uh, we've been putting forward and repeating for millennia. 374 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: Um doesn't happen everywhere, it doesn't happen often anymore, but 375 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: it still does happen. And also just bringing up, guys, 376 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: we just did that episode of Body Brokers. This is 377 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: already feeling to me like something we've discussed recently, Like 378 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: this feels like a business. What a sloppy business though. 379 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean, they're certainly not covering their tracks very well, well, 380 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: we'll see, because do they. I mean, the question is 381 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: what what means covering one's tracks? Well, you know how 382 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: and how much covering is even required given certain assistances. 383 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: Let's just say, right, yeah, the question of complicity gets 384 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: curious or and curious or yeah, and let's let's stop 385 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: for a moment to talk as well about reporting problems 386 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: in this case. So in the West, reporting took a 387 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: decidedly maccab somewhat sensationalistic bent, at least in some stories 388 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: that I got into. Reporters were leaning into old stereotypes 389 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: instead of looking objectively at things like chain of chain 390 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:43,239 Speaker 1: of evidence, things like operations of law enforcement and you know, 391 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: just regular police procedure the way that you would normally 392 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: look at crimes of this magnitude. And this confusion is 393 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: further complicated by conflicting statements of police and the local government. 394 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: And this is also further are confounded by the fact, 395 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: the inarguable fact that there are multiple reports of what 396 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: appear to be ritual killings in southern Nigeria in the 397 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: years leading up to this discovery. We don't have to 398 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: get into all of them, but if you want to, 399 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: if you want to get um a sense of this, 400 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: you can go to ref world dot org and just 401 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: search for an article called Nigeria Prevalence of Ritual Murder 402 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: and human Sacrifice Police and State Response to two thousand 403 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: nine to two thousand twelve. This is a long read, 404 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: so yeah, and this is a you can there's a 405 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: lot of that from the Sahara reporters. Here are the 406 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: same ones that we've been citing for this um stuff 407 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: that was written back in it was around, but you 408 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: can find it. Yeah, I would recommend Sahara reporters. You'll 409 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: want to dig honestly into the bibliography of the wiki 410 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: because that's where you can find some arc hived things 411 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: from New Telegraph Online, Vanguard and gr You can also 412 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: find a couple of Reddit threads, but I would stick 413 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: with the local regional reporting out of Nigeria at the time. 414 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: Maybe some of the British stuff as well. Just as 415 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: long as you have that caveat about the western eye. 416 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: That Vanguard outlet you mentioned Ben that that one I 417 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: know had multiple pretty good right ups on the situation 418 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: there as it was ongoing. Yeah, it covers the it 419 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: covers the riot, It covers that well spoilers, we're almost 420 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: their folks. Yes, it does. So let's go back to 421 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: a little bounded for the police spokesperson. One of the 422 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: first public statements the spokesperson said makes is it is 423 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: not a common occurrence in Ibadan or in the state. 424 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: The police will investigate this crime in all its ramifications. 425 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: They deploy a forensic team to the forest. Authorities attempt 426 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: to search a nearby cave upon you know, rumors that 427 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: the criminals maybe hold up in there, as if they 428 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: hadn't somehow noticed the crowd and ran away. The survivors, 429 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: for their part, they attempt. They attempt to assist as 430 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: best as they can, but they are in terrible physical 431 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: and mental condition. They have survived hellish things. One died 432 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: shortly after discovery um Most were struggling to cut through 433 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: their trauma and remember any specifics. Some remained in a catatonic, 434 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: non responsive, traumatized state. There is one victim that we're 435 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: okay with saying we're okay we're sharing the name of 436 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: on air because this victim was in recovery. Gave his 437 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: full name and related his experience on the record, so 438 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: he has given consent this sense his name not few 439 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: shoot too. And he said he was kidnapped four months 440 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: ago from the capital of Ohio and he was selling 441 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: herbs on the street, herbal remedies. He had been sitting 442 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: down because he had been on his feet all day, 443 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: and he was forced in a car by two men 444 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: and then he said that's all he could remember. He 445 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: blacked out, and when he woke up, he was one 446 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: of those people in the forest in a room chained 447 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: to a wall for four months. Can you imagine the 448 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: panic and just the the horror, not to mention if 449 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: he was like surrounded by decaying bodies and other prisoners. 450 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's unclear where they're like other compartments where 451 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,719 Speaker 1: folks were being kept, or was it all kind of 452 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: out in this open area there or other compartments. It 453 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: seems yeah, yeah, And just it's a if you imagine 454 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: it's a imagine a brick building that doesn't really have doors, 455 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: it's got openings. The windows are in place, it's just 456 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: the their openings. But it is made out of brick 457 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: and a couple of other materials. It looks unfinished. And 458 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: there are outbuildings as well. And if you've been to 459 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: if you if you've traveled to some developing countries, then 460 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: you've seen structures like this before. You know, often in 461 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: Central or South America there'll be cinder block structures where 462 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: there is a door opening, maybe there's a sheet hanging right, 463 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: or maybe their sheets hanging in the apertures for windows, 464 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: but there's not like glass or wood and hinges and 465 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: all that. And and part of the reason for that 466 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: is maybe the project loss funding or maybe it's unfinished. 467 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: But also depending on the climate, you may not need 468 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,959 Speaker 1: to insulate against cold weather because it just might not 469 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: get that cold. So there are a number of reasons 470 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: this could happen. Where are mosquitoes will get you. You 471 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: gotta get netted up, getting that at up, unless that 472 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: invented a cure for mosquitoes, unless he gets to deploy that. 473 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: But that's a that's a different that's a different story altogether. Uh, 474 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: we do know that bugs were a problem. They were 475 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: on the survivors. I can only imagine with no intervention, 476 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: with nothing protecting you or any you know, even just 477 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: like spray of some kind. I mean, you could absolutely 478 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: get very sick from those bites. Um. It's interesting too, 479 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: we're talking about kind of this, like you know, urban 480 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: decay and projects that you know, maybe lost funding. Uh, 481 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: just you know, in the landscape of this part of 482 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: the world. UM, I guess it would make for a 483 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: pretty good ruse to have officials stopping you and saying 484 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: that they're part of a quote urban renewal initiative and 485 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: because you please come with me, you know, the guys 486 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: of like we're gonna help you out. We're gonna like 487 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: put you in a new living situation or something right, 488 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: or force you to go. Yeah, this is okay, So 489 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about this. This is of 490 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: the uh statements by multiple victims. They said that their 491 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 1: kidnappers had said they were officials of a urban renewal initiative, 492 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: and because they were officials, and because they were praying 493 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: on people who didn't have the money for a bribe, 494 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: these folks felt that they didn't have a choice, right, 495 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: and an urban renewal initiative it has a it has 496 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: a couple of unfortunately similar themes with things that have 497 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: happened in the United States not too very long ago. Uh. 498 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: And I just want to plant that seed and then 499 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: we'll we'll see what kind of uncleaned trees, perhaps from 500 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: the conversation later. Crowds, Yeah, crowds. Crowds of people from 501 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: Oyo and other parts of the country gather at this site, 502 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: and those who arrive before the police have cordoned off 503 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: the area are a astounded and no small part just 504 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: disturbed by what they find. You have to remember that 505 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: there's a time interval here. The local communities are connected 506 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: via mobile phone via word of mouth, so they are 507 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: much more effective at getting the word out before the 508 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: authorities take official or public action. So the people beat 509 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: the police to the scene, is what we're saying. And 510 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: when they're there. And also remember a lot of these 511 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: people potentially have a missing person from their family or 512 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: friend group that they're searching for, right and when they 513 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: hear about the just sheer amount of bodies uh, and 514 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: they hear about living victims being found, it makes it 515 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: makes them reasonably think this might be an opportunity for 516 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 1: closure or even the rediscovery of a loved one. So 517 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: some of the people who arrived there, they say they 518 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: see the chains, they see what they recognize as magical 519 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: charms or the making of those charms, and they see 520 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: a slab, and the slab appeared to have blood on it. 521 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: It looked like this was where victims were taken and mutilated, assaulted, 522 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: or killed. The police arrived, tensions are high. They've corned 523 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: off the area. People are demanding to be let in 524 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: because they want to search for their own loved ones. 525 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: And just a few days after the discovery, a riot 526 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: occurs between law enforcement and concerned citizens. Law enforcement fires 527 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: live rounds into the crowd. At least one woman is 528 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: hit by a stray bullet and later dies as a result. 529 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: Local herdsman Falani herdsman are operating in the area and 530 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: because of one of the one of the knives found 531 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: at the scene of that of the warehouse, other people 532 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: who are not herdsman start thinking, hey, these guys are responsible, 533 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: and retaliation they start killing their cows. They say, look, 534 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: they say, the same thing, Matt, that you had mentioned rightly, 535 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: So I thought of it too, about the mechanics. They say, look, 536 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: you are so familiar with this area. You live in 537 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 1: step with this land. You cannot claim that you didn't 538 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 1: know what was going on there. So everybody is looking 539 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: for a perpetrator, right, and this is where the governor 540 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: of Ohio steps in. And this is where it begins 541 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: to get even more like true crime or a noir story, 542 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 1: somewhat of a mix between HP Lovecraft and True Detective. 543 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 1: You'll see what we mean after a word from our sponsor. 544 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 1: So the local governor has to step in. This is 545 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: blowing up. He visits the scene to call him the situation, 546 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 1: and you can go to a couple of different outlets 547 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: and read excerpts of his speech. Long story short. He 548 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 1: vows that they're going to find the perpetrators. They're going 549 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: to excavate the area, and they're going to find any 550 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: other remains. They are also going to revoke made a 551 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: big deal about this, revoke the right to land ownership 552 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: for whomever might own the land. And he's he allieds 553 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: past that point and then he taking ownership of it 554 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: right right and uh. He also says the government, like 555 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: the locals, had no knowledge of this atrocity. This reassures 556 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 1: some members of the community, but not everyone is convinced. 557 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: There's a guy named Iodel Addie gun and Addie gun 558 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: once upon a time was a secretary of the Ohio government. 559 00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: And he says the current governor is lie and that 560 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: his uh, his visit to the site, his claims of 561 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: innocence were little more than a than a ruse a performance. 562 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: Addie Gunn says that a cover up is afoot. He 563 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: says that the current governor's administration didn't just know about 564 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: this compound, but that they created it as part of 565 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: a failed, abandoned urban renewal project. Yes, it turns out 566 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: that the urban renewal initiative was real, but its existence 567 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: only it leads to more questions. I think maybe for perspective, 568 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: we can talk a little bit about similar things that 569 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: have happened, loosely, similar things that have happened in states 570 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: in the US. There have been cases where one occurred 571 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: in Atlanta during the Olympics, where people, in an attempt 572 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: to beautify their city for visitors, said let's get the 573 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: bad element, the rough element out, and so they would 574 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: give unhoused or homeless people one way bus tickets go 575 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: wherever you want, you just can't come back. And this 576 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: happened in Hawaii. Hawaii actually built an island where they 577 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: were telling unhoused people, yeah, you can totally go this island. 578 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: Will make sure you have food and everything. You just 579 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: can't come back to Hawaii. They'll also give you a 580 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: plane ticket in Hawaii. I think to the one way 581 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: because I'm getting these weird I don't know, I'm getting 582 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 1: images of Hamsterdam from the wire where you can look 583 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: that up if you don't know what that is. It 584 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: feels like something that had good intentions maybe at the beginning, 585 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: this urban renewal project we're talking about here, and then 586 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: it turned into something just completely different. Sometimes with all 587 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: the best intentions, things can spiral out of control and 588 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: kind of take on a life of their own. You know, 589 00:40:54,200 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: look at Police Academy. Yeah started police Academy too, right. 590 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: Uh this uh, this, this is true, and this maybe 591 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: indeed be one of the possibilities. So Iria Gunn says 592 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: that this area, the site of this horror, was acquired 593 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: by the current administration two thousand eleven, and it was 594 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: meant to be a rehabilitation center for the mentally unwell 595 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,800 Speaker 1: and the destitute who are getting taken off the streets. 596 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: But he says the administration didn't provide funding or oversight 597 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: to maintain it, and those allegations, if they're true, are 598 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: incredibly disturbing. He goes into further detail about this, and 599 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: you can find this this he is actually saying this. 600 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: He says between two thousand and eleven and there was 601 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,280 Speaker 1: a beautification plan, there was a committee headed by someone 602 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: named Tomy okay Uh, Special Advisor on Environment and Habitat, 603 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: and this committee gathered the mentally ill and the extremely 604 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: poor and placed them in this compound to get them 605 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,879 Speaker 1: off the streets, and then just forgot about them. So, 606 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: from atta Gun's perspective, this opened He seems to believe 607 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: this opened the door for criminal activity, for ritualistic trade 608 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: and human body parts. He says the state government went 609 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: to sleep, and people of dubious character probably found a 610 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: ready market by the merchandise they wanted. So he's not 611 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: saying that the government itself actively created this Charnel house, 612 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: but he's saying because of the government's negligence and arguably incompetence, 613 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: other forces were able to come into play and to 614 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: leverage this for their own ability. Locals would tend to 615 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 1: agree they take it Further, though, many of the locals 616 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,399 Speaker 1: were convinced the government knew more than it was letting on. 617 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,959 Speaker 1: Some like out of Gun do stop short of saying 618 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: the government actually knowingly participated in ritualistic slaughter. But others 619 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: think it goes deeper. And that's one of the big 620 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. It's one that continues in a way even today, 621 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: almost a decade later. Could the powerful upper crust of 622 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: Ohio and societies and other areas have actively operated a 623 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: body parts factory using these remains for magical purposes. It's 624 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,359 Speaker 1: a disturbing question, and it may sound sensationalistic, but this, 625 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: again is something that locals in the area believe on 626 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: what they perceived to be pretty solid evidence. You know. 627 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: That's why we have to walk through some of the 628 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: context here and you can learn more about this story 629 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,760 Speaker 1: from multiple angles. It's freely available. But eventually the Western 630 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,240 Speaker 1: media turned away from these developments. Other things started happening 631 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: in other parts of the world. The story went cold, 632 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: as we record and may have two The murderers remain 633 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: officially uncas the kidnappers remain officially uncaught. The crimes remain 634 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,840 Speaker 1: unsolved to this day, and uh it seems that the 635 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: authorities would like the community to move on, because if 636 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: you visit Soca today, you're not gonna see the remains 637 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,959 Speaker 1: of this warehouse. Yeah. I don't know. Something smells bad 638 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 1: from here in Atlanta, where it feels like there was 639 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 1: definitely something going on that they at least the police. 640 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 1: At least the police, we're told not to do certain things. 641 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: I I just get that feeling. That's my opinion. But 642 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: it feels that way something went really really wrong with 643 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 1: the urban Renewal project and they just went that's not 644 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,280 Speaker 1: something you need to worry about. Isn't that a plot 645 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: point in the New Batman movie. There's a whole thing 646 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: about like the Gotham Urban Renewal Fund, and it's like 647 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: not no spoilers, really, it's just like a it's a 648 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: central kind of mover in the plot, this fund and 649 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 1: and and the corruption within it. Yeah, because it has 650 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: very little oversight in this story, so it can function 651 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: as a petty cash or slush money. Yeah, you have 652 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,479 Speaker 1: to wonder what the financial motivations are all the time 653 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: in these sorts of things. Is that the Paul Dano one, Yeah, cool, 654 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 1: they're making a Face's awesome. Oh, I didn't face. Yeah, 655 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: is that the Paul Dano It's great. I've seen it. 656 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 1: It's awesome. No, I haven't seen it. It's it's on 657 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: HBO Max. It's super good. I like it about homes 658 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: for Nolan Ones. See you all later. I'm gonna go. 659 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,439 Speaker 1: You should. It's about three and a half hours. So 660 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: the we we've got to consider the perspective of the 661 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,839 Speaker 1: parents here. You know, you live in a residential neighborhood. 662 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: There's a gas station, the community seems to be growing. 663 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: Do you want to send your kids to the school 664 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,799 Speaker 1: that's built on Do want to send them to the 665 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: O E O State Comprehensive Model College, which is, by 666 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: all reports a pretty good school for the area. I 667 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: just don't know what else is in the ground. Um, 668 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: and now these questions remain, you know what happened here? 669 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,240 Speaker 1: One thing that really bothers me on a personal level 670 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 1: is uh, not so much that their discrepancies about how 671 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 1: many survivors or bodies were found, but more so that 672 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,320 Speaker 1: it seems that a lot of leads in this case 673 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: were dropped before they were fully investigated. Like passports, passports 674 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: are usually pretty well documented, right, and they're usually linked 675 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: to other identifying documents, Where the passports? Where did those go? 676 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 1: What happened to maybe DNA testing? Was it a matter 677 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: of funding? What happened to reports of the UH wealthy 678 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: people apparently visiting the site? Were they there in the 679 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: early days of this as an urban renewal project than 680 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: just left where the funds drained and used for, you know, 681 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 1: to enrich someone else's bank account. There are a lot 682 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,320 Speaker 1: of unanswered questions here, and one of those unanswered questions 683 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 1: is the same question that the taxi driver started out 684 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: with in the very beginning. What happened to our friend 685 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,880 Speaker 1: who sent the text? To this day, no one knows 686 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,280 Speaker 1: where Kasim is and no one knows what happened to him, 687 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: And for many in this area, these questions remain the 688 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. This is a 689 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 1: grizzly one. Again, this should not in any way be 690 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 1: taken to be UH indicative of the state of Nigeria 691 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: as a whole. It is a huge country, it's a 692 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 1: populous country. But these um, these kind of stories show 693 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 1: you how quickly stuff can be forgotten even when it 694 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 1: shouldn't be. I mean, I don't know, do you guys 695 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,480 Speaker 1: think this will ever be solved. Do you think anybody 696 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,439 Speaker 1: will come forward? And no, that's that's given another man. 697 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,319 Speaker 1: This has been so long When you think about that, um, well, 698 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 1: this is the kind of to be speaking of. The 699 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 1: stuff that I want you to know is the kind 700 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,400 Speaker 1: of stuff that they will kill you for over you know, 701 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,919 Speaker 1: you say the wrong name, you uh, you know, seen 702 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,399 Speaker 1: as a snitch or whatever or rat. I mean, this 703 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,719 Speaker 1: is whatever. The involvement of the authorities is obviously a 704 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 1: criminal organization that is brutal and bloodthirsty and willing to 705 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: go to any means necessary to protect themselves. I think silence. 706 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 1: You know, well, I haven't heard any any stories about 707 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: witnesses being killed. I mean, you know, honestly, I haven't. 708 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 1: I haven't seen any reporting on people who are disappearing 709 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 1: after this, like that's linked in some way to the story. 710 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's all I'm saying. That's all I 711 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,280 Speaker 1: mean is that you mean the people that were discovered alive, 712 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: you think they might have been potential targets if what 713 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying was true, Well, I think anyone reporting on 714 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,440 Speaker 1: it or digging into the story too deeply would be targets. 715 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 1: And what you're saying is true. That's my opinions. I 716 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 1: read am. I read some reports before the school was built, 717 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,839 Speaker 1: which happened pretty quickly after the investigation, almost as if 718 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: somebody wanted someone to stop asking questions. Uh you. I 719 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,360 Speaker 1: read some very interesting accounts from journalists in the area 720 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 1: who said that they were they were not just getting 721 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,759 Speaker 1: stone walled, they were getting like physically threatened for asking questions. 722 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: So the danger is there. But these sorts of stories 723 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:42,439 Speaker 1: do occur, and they do again accountot emphasize this enough. 724 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 1: They do fall out of the news cycle, and they 725 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,360 Speaker 1: often don't seem to be investigated to the level of 726 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 1: scrutiny that they deserve. So we want to hear from you. 727 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: What do you think will will this crime ever be solved? 728 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: What do you think was happening? Do you think something 729 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: like this is still happening today? Let us know, uh, 730 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,240 Speaker 1: and let us know if there are other similar tales 731 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,880 Speaker 1: from your neck of the global woods. We look forward 732 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,239 Speaker 1: to hearing from you. Thanks for tuning in. We try 733 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,239 Speaker 1: to be easy to find online. It's right. You can 734 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,640 Speaker 1: find us on Facebook where we have our Facebook group. 735 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,239 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. Join that thing. Getting on 736 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,440 Speaker 1: the conversation, share a meme, make a friend. 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