1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, which is brought 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: to you by First Light. I'm your guest host, Tony Peterson. 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: Today I'm joined by my good buddy Dylan Lentz, and 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about all kinds of topics, including 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 2: scouting and hunting the Big Woods, the advantages and disadvantage 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: of being a trail camera junkie, and what it's like 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: to film a wide variety of hunters throughout the season. 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 2: I had variety of hunters throughout the season. All Right, 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: you might have noticed that this isn't Mark Kenyon here today. 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: It's your old backup QB Antonio. Mark is off again 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: this week, which probably won't come as much of a 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: surprise to anyone who listens. Surprisingly, he isn't on vacation 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: this week, but is recovering from another clarinet related injury. Now, 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: while one of those little Kenyan boys didn't fire at 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: football into his face while he was playing this time, 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: what did happen is actually a lot more embarrassing. You 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: guys don't know this, but Mark is trying to get 22 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: into shape and it's not going very well. In fact, 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: he tried to deadlift his clarinet case, which weighs about 24 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: eleven pounds, and he pulled several of the muscles in 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: his lower back. He also slipped a couple discs, popped 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: out a hernia, and from what Missus Kenyon told me 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: when she called me about it, had a bathroom related 28 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: accident in his boxers. So he's laid up this week 29 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: recovering from a litany of injuries. And I'm talking to 30 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: Dylan Lenz, who is one of the best hunters I've 31 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 2: ever spent time with in the field. And that's no joke. 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: Dylan does a lot of camera work for his job. 33 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: He films a lot of hunts and if you want 34 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: to see how good he is, you can go over 35 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: to the metater dot com and watch my North Dakota 36 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: show from last year. Dylan is also a habitat Google 37 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: who works with Jeff Sturgis to help clients create their 38 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: dream deer ground. This is just a great conversation about 39 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 2: a wide variety of deer hunting topics, but I think 40 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: you're really going to enjoy Dylan Lenz, how are you, buddy, 41 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: doing good? 42 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: Man doing good? Long time to see. 43 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: The last time I saw you was last week and 44 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: you were hoofing it through the cattails with a fifty 45 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: pound pack on your back, trying to catch some roosters 46 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 2: in flight with a camera before I shot them out 47 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: of the sky. 48 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 3: That was a fun challenge though. I've talked to a 49 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: couple people about that, and I was like, that was 50 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 3: actually really fun to try and film. 51 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: So enjoyed it. It was a different than our typical 52 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: get togethers out there. 53 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: Huh yeah, for sure. 54 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: So for the guests that don't know you, you are 55 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: a man who wears many hats. You have filmed me 56 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: for a bunch of hunts. If anybody saw the North 57 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: Dakota show of mine that we dropped recently, it's on 58 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: the Mediator website. You film that. People freaking love it. 59 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: You did a great job on it. You and I 60 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: just did a you know, run out in North Dakota. 61 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: We did a run here in Minnesota for pheasants. You 62 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: film with Mark, You film with a ton of people. 63 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Yeah, And that's that's what's super fun about 64 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: what I do is just how diverse I get to 65 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: be just to try and make a living. So I 66 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: enjoy hunting with a lot of different people, filming a 67 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 3: lot of different things, and just trying to think about 68 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 3: animals along the way. Like it's just just that's kind 69 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 3: of like the binding theme is animals and being outdoors. 70 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have a you know you have that's 71 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: not your only business, right, Like, that's not all you do. 72 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about your other business that's also involved 73 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: in Deer two. But your experience, you know, one of 74 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: the reasons that I really wanted to have you on here. 75 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: And obviously we've become friends filming together and hunting together. 76 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: But I've filmed with I don't know how many camera 77 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: guys over the years, quite a few if you go 78 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: way back into my bow hunter days. And I was 79 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: telling Mark this after our North Dakota. I was like, Man, 80 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: Dylan is the the first cameraman that I've ever hunted 81 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: with who I run stuff by him to actually like 82 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: get his opinion instead of just being like a courtesy 83 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: thing or something. 84 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: Awesome. That's really good to hear and it's like that's 85 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 3: it's fun too, because like all the people that I 86 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 3: help with, like the most fun trips for me are 87 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 3: when it's you're almost like working as a team. 88 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: You know. 89 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: It's like how we're both here for the same goal. 90 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: We want to film something cool happen and be successful 91 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: in the field, and like if we can work together 92 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 3: on that, it makes it enjoyable for both of us then, right, so. 93 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: Oh big time. And I mean that's I don't need 94 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: to go too deep in the weeds on this, but 95 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: you know, some of the some of the places I 96 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: worked before this, where I filmed, you know, you'd get 97 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: a cameraman who was like, I'm here to film a 98 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: deer dying. Yeah, Like that's this is my job, you know. 99 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: I mean I've told this a few times. When I 100 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: had a guy one time years ago on a hunt 101 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 2: down in Illinois who when I picked him up at 102 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: the airport, he looked at me and he said, listen, man, 103 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: I'm not going to see any deer coming in. I'm 104 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: not going to look for them. I am. When you 105 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: tell me to start filming, I will, but that's all 106 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do. And I'm not lying. We I mean, 107 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: we had a miserable hunt. We ended up killing a buck, 108 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: but I looked up at him the first day and 109 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: he had his head down in his hand, and he 110 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: was not interested in being there at all. But was 111 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 2: Meat Eater is a different thing, you know, they look 112 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: at video production. I think this is part of the 113 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: reason that Meat Eater has been successful. You know, Steve's 114 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 2: very I don't know how to put this without making 115 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: him sound bad. Steve has a high standard for videos 116 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: and that sort of trickles down to us peons who 117 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: you know, aren't at Steve's level. And so we get 118 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: a lot of camera operators who are, you know, maybe 119 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: really good at running the camera, but have never been 120 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: in a saddle. And then once in a while we 121 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,679 Speaker 2: get somebody like you who can do it all and 122 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: and has a ton of white tail experience. And I'm 123 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: telling you, man like it is a relief when I 124 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: know we get to hunt together, because it's a different 125 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: thing to, like you said, to work together on the 126 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 2: project versus just having somebody who's kind of hired just 127 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: to be there. 128 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 3: Right right well, and that's that's what's fun for me too. 129 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 3: I Mean, I film a lot of different stuff with 130 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: a lot of different people. And there are times where 131 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: I get there and I feel like I'm just there 132 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 3: to film. I'm not part of the decision making. I'm 133 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 3: just documenting, which you know, there's a time and a 134 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 3: place for that. But when I hunt with somebody that 135 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: that are open to hearing my thoughts and you know, 136 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 3: maybe we should try this, Like I feel like we 137 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 3: end up being a lot more successful because we're thinking 138 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 3: about a lot more variables when we're more widespread then 139 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: you know. 140 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: Right, I mean this is this probably sounds crazy, but 141 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: I've noticed this not not only filming hunts, but also 142 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 2: hunting with my daughters, where the calculus for everything changes 143 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: if you have to think about somebody else who isn't 144 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: also thinking about the best of the process, And it's 145 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, it's just kind of a weird 146 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: thing where you're like, it's not just can I get 147 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: two guys in that tree? You know, it's like what 148 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: can you see? Yeah? Yeah, you know what movements can 149 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 2: we get away with? Like where where are we gonna 150 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: you know, like where's he going to come in? Hopefully 151 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: what's he going to do? And it's a it's a 152 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: different thing and Man, you and I have had some 153 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: fun and we had you know, we had a good 154 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: hunt last year in North Dakota. That was cool. We 155 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: had a great hunt this year? Was I was that 156 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: the biggest buck you've ever seen? Somebody missed the one 157 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: I missed? Or have you seen somebody miss bigger? 158 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: Man? I I hate to say it. That might be 159 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: the biggest going miss. But I'm sorry, that's a terrible 160 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: record to hold. 161 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: It's okay, man, it's okay. That's not the first big 162 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: buck I've missed. Uh, But let's talk about that because 163 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: you you know, you just got back from Pennsylvania with Sturgis, 164 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: Jeff Sturgis. You were out there killed a great buck 165 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: on public land. Really cool, short hunt, awesome. You filmed, 166 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: you know, the private land thing all over a lot 167 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: of the public land thing with a bunch of different people. 168 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: Like what do you pick up? Like, is there something 169 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: that you've picked up hunting with a wide variety of 170 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: people that you bring home where you're like, dang, I 171 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: like that I took that out of his hunt and 172 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: I brought it home or something like that. 173 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: There's something I pick up. You know, it'd be cliche 174 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 3: to say, like I learned something on every hunt, because 175 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 3: there's definitely hunts that I'm just like, okay, whatever, you know, 176 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: this is just another hunt. But there's a lot of 177 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: trips that you take where it's like, man, I never 178 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: thought about that this way, or I wonder if that 179 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: would apply elsewhere, And you know, just kind of looking 180 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 3: back at our north to go to hunt in twenty 181 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: twenty three when we were out there, you know, walking 182 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: under that big oak tree that had a lot of 183 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: sign under it, but it was close to the road 184 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 3: and it was close to access. Like personally, I would 185 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: have just kept talking. I wouldn't have thought about it. 186 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: Again. 187 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, it's all nighttime movement here. You know, 188 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 3: this gets blown out all the time, and you like 189 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: took that and you put it in your hat like 190 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: this this means something, and like that stuck with me 191 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 3: a lot. You know, there's a lot of other people 192 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 3: that I hunt with where you know, they think about, 193 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: you know, certain concepts and yeah, I note that, and 194 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: I kind of put that in my notebook as well. 195 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: Of like, you know, if I'm in these scenarios and 196 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: I'm come up short and my traditional tactics aren't working, 197 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: then you start thinking about you know, how do I 198 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 3: think outside of my box and start to utilize suff 199 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 3: that makes other people's successful. 200 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: You know, So when you talk about that, because I've 201 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: had people say that to me about that North Dakota 202 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 2: deal too. Where and I've done this a lot, right, 203 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: Like I've walked past fresh sign deep you know, big 204 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 2: concentrations of sign and I'm trying to remind myself every 205 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 2: year because I feel like on public land, I run 206 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: into that almost every year. Somewhere this year I ran 207 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: into it with my daughters or one of my daughters 208 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: over in northern Wisconsin where we encountered a great dear 209 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: like a one thirty on public land, like two hundred 210 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: yards from where the road is, oh Man. But it 211 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: was just that concentration a sign again, And I always 212 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: wonder about that because I bring and everybody does this, 213 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: but we bring this personal kind of bias to wherever 214 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: we go where it's like, okay, you're you're from Wisconsin. 215 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: Wisconsin has a ton of hunters, and so you're thinking 216 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: I got to get away from them and being even 217 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 2: no matter what, close to the road, Like you said, well, 218 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: that's going to be nighttime movement, right because they're not 219 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: going to move there in the daylight, but you're not 220 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 2: in Wisconsin, and it's a hard thing to recalibrate yourself. 221 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people we sort of 222 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: make up our minds on stuff like that and go 223 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 2: because I hunt, I'm from Georgia or wherever, like this 224 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: is what deer do or this is the thing that 225 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: hunters do. And that's one of the reasons I preach 226 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 2: this travel to hunt things so much. When you go 227 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 2: do that and you don't really have a choice, you're like, 228 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: I got a couple of days, I got to try 229 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: it out, you start to learn that those things you 230 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: think just aren't necessarily. 231 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: True definitely, And that's you know, that's what's really fun 232 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: about getting to hunt in so many different places is 233 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: you see those different scales, right, so you look at 234 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: you know, here in you know way, northern Wisconsin, New York, up, 235 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 3: all those kind of places. These deers, their their movement 236 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: in a daily basis is a lot longer than when 237 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 3: you're slammed in agricultural wood lot lands, where it's you know, 238 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: these deer are moving sixty yards slammed in this little 239 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 3: woodlot versus this dear might be moving three quarters of 240 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 3: a mile from where he's betting that day to whatever 241 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 3: food source of the moment. There is so kind of 242 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 3: being able to like look at that and like whatever 243 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 3: trip you're on, just kind of thinking like, all right, 244 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: what are these two deer doing here? And it's so 245 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 3: variable based on your region, Like different areas of different 246 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 3: states are that way, you know, southern Wisconsin and northern Wisconsin. 247 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: Holy cow, is it different right well? 248 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 2: And I mean what you're talking about there too, partially 249 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: is just a deer density issue as well to some extent. 250 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: And this is this is one of the things that 251 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: makes it so hard to hunt big woods. You know, 252 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: you were just out in the Adirondacks up there in 253 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: upstate upstate New York, like, oh yeah, you get very 254 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: few deer and you get a ton of kind of 255 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: mono habitat to work with. And you know, Southern hunters 256 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 2: deal with that shit a lot too. Maybe they have 257 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: a little higher population and deer in some places, but 258 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 2: you get sort of that nomadic, uh, you know, small 259 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: population thing, and it makes it so hard. But that's 260 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: again sort of a lesson on those concentrations of sign 261 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: right for sure. 262 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 3: And that's what's so fun is like I feel like 263 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 3: when you are successful in those places or even when 264 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: you come upon that sign, like it feels like a 265 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 3: gift almost like you're like in this sea of the same. 266 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 3: I found this. This this means a lot. Now that 267 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: I have this little token here, how do I extrapolate 268 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: that and actually hunt it? 269 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 2: You know? 270 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 3: And that's why it's so fun to hunt those big 271 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 3: expanse places where it's a neil and a haystack. When 272 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: you're talking about deer and you know that each encounter 273 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 3: means that much more then, right. 274 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: Right, Well, and you also have kind of a lesson 275 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: there too when you talk about you know, if you 276 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: if you go to a high deer density place, like 277 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: you know, where you live in in Wisconsin, you probably 278 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: have a lot of deer, right Like some of the 279 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: places I hunt in southern Minnesota, we have a high 280 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: population and so a concentration of sign is everywhere. Yeah, 281 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: so so now how do you distill that? So, you know, 282 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 2: I start to look at this stuff like the more 283 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: I travel, and I'm sure you do too, where you 284 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: kind of just go, okay, well this this hunt, you 285 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: know that that ADIRONDACKX hunt where you're waiting for that 286 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: snow to track one. You know, you're waiting for the 287 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: right conditions to get there, but you're also looking for 288 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: that concentration a sign, and you you really realize that 289 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: there's like benefits to every place and there's like these negatives, right, 290 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 2: So like, yeah, hunting a place where a ton of 291 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 2: deer is awesome because it's easy to see deer, but 292 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: how do you pinpoint the buck that you want and 293 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: how do you get in without spooking all the other deer? 294 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: And then you've got the other end of the spectrum 295 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: where you're like, I can't even find a freaking deer 296 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: in this section, right, and you know, like you said, 297 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: and when you finally find that sign, it's like, Okay, 298 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: now I'm onto something. Whereas somebody in you know, Nebraska 299 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: and would lot would be like, well I can spin 300 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 2: in a circle and count forty scrapes like who cares? 301 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 3: Oh exactly, yeah definitely, And that that to me, like, 302 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 3: you know, that's why it's so fun like hunting these 303 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: different places, you find these different concentrations of deer. But 304 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 3: it's just I love how no matter where you are, 305 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 3: it changes so drastically that each place kind of has 306 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: its own niche, right, So it's like you almost want 307 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: to learn all these different areas and like, well, when 308 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 3: I'm in this, that means I do this, you know. 309 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: Like to me, that's just so fun about it is 310 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: how these animals all kind of work off of the 311 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: same basis, but it's so different when you extrapolate it 312 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: out right. 313 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: Well, one of the guys who I've talked to a 314 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: lot about that is Clint Campbell with Truth from the 315 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: Stand podcast. I just had him on a little bit 316 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: ago and we talk about that a lot, where you know, 317 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: he's hunting the mountains of Pennsylvania, you know what I mean. 318 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: He's not hunting egg He's hunting you know, big woods, 319 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: lots of terrain. And then he goes out to Kansas 320 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: and he's like, you know, some of the stuff you 321 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: find or some of the stuff you're like this saddle 322 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: or this bench or this you know, soft edge out 323 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. This plays like this soft edge in the 324 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: CRP in Kansas or whatever. 325 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 3: Exactly. It's that, you know, it's like those same kind 326 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: of you know factors, right edge change like that is 327 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: always going to be monumental, I feel like, but it's 328 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: just how much does it mean here? And does that 329 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 3: depend on the deer density? Does it depend on how 330 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: far they're traveling or what food sources are there? You 331 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 3: know that that's me is the fun part of it. 332 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that So again, I mean this, this is 333 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: a message. I try to get out with foundations a 334 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: lot too. So so you and I just filmed that 335 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: pheasant hunt, right and we had one day that was 336 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: super windy, real windy, Yeah, and we would get out there. 337 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: You know, you're you're in western Minnesota, so that there's 338 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: no trees to block that, there's no hills. I mean, 339 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: it's howking across the landscape. But you get into those 340 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: cat tails lows and you find a spot where you'll 341 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: be just moving along and all of a sudden, there 342 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: is like a little wind break somewhere and you can 343 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: feel it. It's like palpable, and all of a sudden, 344 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: that's where you flush the roosters, and that's where you 345 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: jump those deer out of there. And you're like, even 346 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: if you never hunt that term for white tails, being 347 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: in there, following a black lab around hoping to shoot 348 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: a rooster, all of a sudden you pick up on 349 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: those little micro climates, that little micro habitat situation, right, 350 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: and you go, man, I don't know how I'm gonna 351 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: use that at home. I don't know what that means 352 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: to me. But someday I'm gonna go out and it's 353 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: gonna be super windy. I'm gonna be sneaking into my 354 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: stand or something. I'm gonna hit a spot where I 355 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: don't feel that wind anymore. I'm gonna bust a big 356 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: buck and I'm gonna go, Okay, Now when I see 357 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: that on the forecast, I know what to do. 358 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, And that's fun too. You know, you talk 359 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: about those microcosms of habitats, and you know that could 360 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: be you know, a change in you know, density of 361 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 3: stem count. That could be all right, there's a little 362 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 3: bit higher amount of conifers in here that are breaking 363 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: the wind or you know, hindering the snow a little 364 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: bit more. And it's just you might not even notice 365 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: it all that much when you're looking at an aerial 366 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 3: because it doesn't stand out. But then you're walking through 367 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: there and you're like, you know what this now that 368 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: I'm here, this does look a lot different at ground level, 369 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: and that absolutely matters. To a deer, right they they 370 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: I don't know how they seek it out, But I 371 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 3: don't know if they just feel it like it's more 372 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: comfortable here, or do they look for those conditions, you know, 373 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 3: but they feel it. They absolutely are relating to those changes. 374 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 2: I mean, it's I think it's just a matter of 375 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: they They have about a mile by mile they work 376 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: with generally, And if you spent every day out there 377 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 2: every condition, you'd be like, I know, if I go 378 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: here when it's rainy, it's better than being there. And 379 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 2: if the wind's blown out of the southeast during the rut, 380 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 2: which sucks everywhere, I'm gonna look for does this way 381 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 2: because there aren't gonna be any hunters there, And I 382 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: think they just get to know it so well. 383 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely so. 384 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 2: You run one of the things that I you know, 385 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 2: you and I have spent a lot of time talking 386 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: about deer on these trips, you know, sitting in tents 387 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: and all that stuff. You have kind of a couple 388 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: different styles, and you're you're always checking your trail cameras. 389 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 2: You have a lot of cameras out, yeah, but you're 390 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: also going You're also going to places like the adrond ACKs, 391 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 2: like you just did, or go to Pennsylvania where you 392 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: have no intel, no intel nothing. Do you feel like, 393 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: how does it make you feel going from one to 394 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 2: the other, Because I know a lot of people are 395 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: like really dependent on the cameras now, but you seem 396 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: to have like a foot in both camps. 397 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. I it's tough because as a whitetail 398 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 3: hunter and as somebody that's trying to make the most 399 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 3: out of their time on these trips, if you have 400 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 3: that intel, I feel like then you can kind of 401 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 3: either cross areas off or circle areas and say, wow, 402 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 3: I need to hunt here. But at the same time, 403 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 3: it's a blessing and a curse where there's something super 404 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 3: refreshing about when I do these hunts and I have 405 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 3: no intel and I go in blind and you're just 406 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: going back to basics and scouting sign or scouting those 407 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 3: changes in habitat or clearcuts or whatever, and you're just like, 408 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 3: there has to be deer here because the factors tell 409 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 3: me that they're a deer here versus you know, this year, 410 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 3: I my intention was to shoot a buck in the upa, Michigan. 411 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 3: I don't think it's happen. I put some cameras up there. 412 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 3: I think I have four cell cameras up there, and 413 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 3: I was just so discouraged by the lack of deer 414 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 3: sign or I'm sorry, not the lack of deer sign, 415 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 3: with the lack of deer photos. I was getting buck 416 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: pictures specifically, and you know, the amount of wolves I 417 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: was getting on camera that it just discouraged me from 418 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: planning a trip up there. 419 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: You know, and you got a lot of wolves up there, huh. 420 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, quite a few wolves, I would say, yeah, at 421 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 3: least once a week, if not every other week. But 422 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 3: a lot of wolves on camera. And you know, I 423 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 3: don't know how detrimental that necessarily is to the mature 424 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 3: bucks or you know, mature deer that I'm hunting, but 425 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: you know, it's just the fact that there's not a 426 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 3: lot of deer on camera and the amount of predators 427 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 3: I'm getting on camera. It discouraged me from planning a 428 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 3: trip where had I gone, it would have you know, 429 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 3: I would had a blast, no matter if I even 430 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 3: saw a deer, I'm sure, but I think it would 431 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 3: have made me become more resourceful and do more scouting 432 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,120 Speaker 3: and find that legit new fresh sign. And then I 433 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 3: I would have been more successful instead of just writing 434 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 3: it off like, well, I have the cameras up there, 435 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 3: they're telling me there's no deer here. You know, had 436 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: I gone and put the work in, I would have 437 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 3: had a blast. And well, it's a huge regret I 438 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 3: already have from this fall, and the fall is not 439 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 3: even over. Right. 440 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: Well, I was going to ask you about that, because 441 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 2: I knew you didn't go up there, and I knew 442 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: I think it was when we were coming back from 443 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 2: North Dakota. You were pretty excited about that to get 444 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: up there. And so there's the other side of it, right, Yeah, 445 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: if you don't have that, if you hadn't put cameras 446 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: up there, in the up, you would have gone up there. 447 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: I would have gone, and I'm sure I would have 448 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 3: had a blast. Maybe I wouldn't even seen a deer. 449 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 3: Maybe I would have seen wolves, who knows, But I 450 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: would have done some scouting, put some boots on the ground, 451 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 3: and at least found areas where I felt confident in 452 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 3: hunting versus watching these cameras. And I would have went 453 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 3: up there and been like, why am I sitting here? 454 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 3: There's no deer? For miles, I get a deer here 455 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 3: every five six days. You know, I think I would 456 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: have went into that hunt a lot more negative. And 457 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 3: so I think next year what I'm going to do 458 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: is I'm gonna go up there in Turkey out that 459 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 3: area in the spring and hopefully look for some sign 460 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 3: and kind of rezone in on some areas. But then 461 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 3: next year, I think I'm just gonna go hunt and 462 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 3: go for fresh sign and not put any cameras out. 463 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 3: And I think that that's gonna encourage me to go 464 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 3: a lot more because I'm like, man, there's got to 465 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 3: be some big giant swamp bucks up there. I want 466 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 3: to go shoot them, you know. So right, it's kind 467 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: of one of those things. 468 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: You were you hung some some cameras on scrapes, right, 469 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 2: but you were, you know, however far you have those 470 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 2: spread out when you look at that now, because I 471 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 2: was just talking to a buddy of mine about our 472 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: northern Wisconsin stuff where last year we had a wolf 473 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: move in to his property. Big male got pictures of 474 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: him all the time, and that's that's unusual. We get 475 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: them swinging through, but we don't get them where they're 476 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: like that that dude's just living there. Oh yeah, change 477 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: things a lot right, like it just does. And so 478 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: you know, but there we have, you know, a couple 479 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 2: of private properties that are maybe ten miles apart, and 480 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 2: then we have a huge chunk of national forest that 481 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: I like to on a lot. Yeah, where even when 482 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: something like that happens, I go, well, I've got Plan 483 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: B and Plan C, so the area is still going 484 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: to I'm going to go regardless. Do you think like 485 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 2: next year, you know, you go up there turkey hunting, 486 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,239 Speaker 2: you think you'll try to find some pockets that are 487 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: far enough apart where it's like if you do set 488 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 2: some cameras this next year and you see those wolves, 489 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: you can be like, well, I've got you know, fifteen 490 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: miles away, I got another area I scouted and just 491 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: give yourself that shot. 492 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 3: And you know, I think my cameras were spread enough 493 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 3: that I definitely had two separate areas that were very 494 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 3: far apart. I think I was a little bit too 495 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 3: tight in one of the areas on where I'd placed 496 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 3: some cameras where you know, I actually had the same 497 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 3: buck on camera at you know, two or three of 498 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 3: those camera locations, and you know, then it's like, man, 499 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 3: why didn't I just spread these out more, you know, 500 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 3: and just kind of figure out what's in this area 501 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 3: if there are deer in this area. But yeah, I 502 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: think when you hunt those big expanses of public land, 503 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: or even when I go out to South Dakota, I 504 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 3: have like a plan ABCD e F where it's like, 505 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 3: all right, this area, there's trucks parked at every spot. 506 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: I go to this spot. If there's people there, I 507 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 3: go here. If you know all these factors, you know, 508 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 3: I have, I blew this place out and I just 509 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: need to go somewhere else, Like I go into it. 510 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 3: And this is one of those things when I can't 511 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: fall asleep at night, Like I'm sitting on on X 512 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 3: and I'm dropping pins where it's like you just you 513 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 3: start and you just go down this rabbit hole and 514 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 3: next thing you know, you have all these pins that 515 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 3: you've never even seen before, and you're just like, someday 516 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 3: I want to go check that out, you. 517 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 2: Know, dude. So that your situation there with the up 518 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: hunting specifically or the scouting and the hunting you didn't do, 519 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: people are going to listen to that and like that's 520 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: that's going to confirm some thoughts people have of like 521 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: that's not worth it. But because we we often present this. 522 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 2: So like last year we went to North Dakota, right, 523 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 2: we hunted two days, killed an ice buck. I hunted 524 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 2: that spot one other time in twenty nineteen a hundred 525 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: it four days and killed a nice buck. And people 526 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 2: see that and they're like, Okay, well you have to 527 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 2: find a spot like that. But that spot that I 528 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 2: just mentioned with my daughter that we went into that 529 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: we had that big one come up on. I hunted 530 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: that I killed a buck there and I think like 531 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen and then twenty nineteen, and then I was 532 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: covered in people and so I gave up on it. 533 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 2: And two winters ago we had that heavy snow that 534 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: knocked down a bunch of trees and changed I mean, 535 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: it made the woods nasty. And I've been driving by 536 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 2: that spot looking at other stuff, and I'm like, I 537 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: wonder if that spot came back, because there's no four 538 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 2: wheeler trails going in there, like you could tell it 539 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: wasn't getting used. And when I walked in there today 540 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 2: or this year, there was more sign in there than 541 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 2: I saw in Iowa when I was down there, and 542 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 2: I go, okay, so this came back around and the 543 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 2: first time I hunted it by myself, which was the 544 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: only time I had because I hit a deer that 545 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 2: night with my truck and I had to go home. 546 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 2: I had a pretty good buck come in and I 547 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: almost killed him, and I was kind to hunting on 548 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 2: memories but also hunting on the fresh sign, and I go, 549 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: you know, this is like a ten year process. No, yeah, 550 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 2: and I don't know it like I don't. I don't. 551 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 2: I can't walk into that place and just kill a deer. 552 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 2: But like when you talk about this up experience, and 553 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, well you found some wolves, you found 554 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 2: some bucks. You didn't you didn't find enough to get 555 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: you to go, Yeah, you're not done. You're gonna go 556 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 2: turkey on up there going back. Yeah right, and you're 557 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 2: gonna you're gonna devote that time to build those layers 558 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 2: and eventually you're gonna learn that area enough where if 559 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 2: you put those cameras out and the wolves are there, 560 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: you're not gonna be like I'm not gonna go and 561 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 2: I'm gonna regret it. You're like, I'm gonna figure it out. 562 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 3: I'm not focusing on the wolves necessarily. I don't think 563 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 3: the wolves are why there aren't deer there. I don't 564 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 3: think that I think that there are deer there. I 565 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 3: think my intel, my quick running gun scouting, like I 566 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 3: wasn't on the X, you know. So it's it's a 567 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 3: matter of pushing a little bit further, going to you know, 568 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 3: maybe look at fresher aerials and say, you know, maybe 569 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 3: there's different changes here that I didn't see based on 570 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 3: the areals that I was looking. Maybe there's a fresh 571 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 3: cut I don't know about, or something like that. But 572 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 3: it's it's one of those things where and I'm sure 573 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 3: you've had this too, where when an area kicks your ass, 574 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 3: like you want to figure it out. Like now, it's 575 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 3: like I'm going back because I'm not going oh for 576 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 3: nothing on this, Like I want to experience this big 577 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 3: wood success, you know. I want to go up there 578 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 3: and I want to go to an area that everybody says, oh, 579 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: there's no deer, what are you wasting your time for 580 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 3: and have a hunt that I can be happy about, 581 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 3: you know. And I think that's what I respect about, 582 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 3: you know, especially the way that you hunt and the 583 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: way that you hunt out of state is like the 584 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 3: measurements for success are so different in all these places 585 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 3: that you go. Right, So it's like North Dakota, you know, 586 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 3: we go out there and here we have an encounter 587 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 3: with an awesome giant buck, and then we shoot another deer. 588 00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 3: We're totally happy with that. 589 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: Well, let's be honest, we had two encounters with that dear, 590 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 2: well two miles apart. 591 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 3: I can't wait to watch that film. 592 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're right. I mean, it's that is another 593 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: thing that I'm trying to not be a dick but push. 594 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 2: And it's that when you go do something else, even 595 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: if you're in state, and you're like, I'm just gonna 596 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 2: go hunt this part of the state I've never done, 597 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 2: or I'm gonna hop across state lines. I'm gonna hunt 598 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 2: the state I've never been to. Now, you don't bring 599 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: that the standards you have at your lease at home 600 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 2: or a gramma's farm that you get to hunt every 601 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: day after work or whatever. And when you hunt under 602 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 2: different rules for yourself, you hunt differently. Yeah, and now 603 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 2: it's not just a sit and wait game like a 604 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: lot of the whitetail stuff now is like I'm just 605 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: I'm waiting for the cameras to show me the good stuff. 606 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 2: I wait for the conditions to get right and then 607 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: I go in and I kill You don't do that 608 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 2: on when you're traveling, and that that really sharpens the blade, 609 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 2: I think. 610 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 3: I think so too, And it's just it's more fun 611 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 3: to be honest with you. Like I have three properties. 612 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 3: I can hunt here in Wisconsin. I can hang stands 613 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 3: on them, I can hang cameras on them all year, 614 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 3: water holes, food plots, you know, scrapes, whatever. But that 615 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 3: only gets me so far to where I want to 616 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 3: be in a fall, Like I want to experience that adventure. 617 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 3: I want to go hang and bang and try new 618 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 3: spots and just try and figure out an area where 619 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 3: it's like you kind of dial these other spots down 620 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 3: and it's like now it was just a waiting game, 621 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 3: Like now I'm just waiting for a buck to start 622 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 3: to do the things that I know they're going to do, 623 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 3: versus going and figuring out what the bucks are doing 624 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 3: here and how then you tap into that Like that 625 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 3: to me is so much more fun. And not to 626 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 3: say I don't have a blast shooting bucks on private land, 627 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 3: I absolutely do, and I will do that forever. But 628 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 3: there's something to be said about like every year. I 629 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 3: want to go get my ass kicked somewhere. 630 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: You know, right, I mean right before we got on here. 631 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: I for some reason, I have never had a lot 632 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 2: of interest in Kansas. 633 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. 634 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: I huntred at one time years like two thousand and 635 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 2: nine or something. I had a really big one and 636 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 2: lost it. They found it later. Turkey hunted at one time. 637 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 2: But I like, it just hasn't been on my radar. 638 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: And I was like, you know, I gotta go give 639 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: Kansas some effort. I don't know why, you know, like 640 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: I know, I just there's something happening. But it's it's 641 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: that thing you're talking about. I wanted to ask you 642 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: when you when you went to the up and you 643 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: were like, because I know you were, you were stoked 644 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: about that, and you went up there and you scouted 645 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: and hung some cameras. What were you looking for? Like? 646 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: What were you like? I want to find this, I 647 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: want to drop a camera on it, and I want 648 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: to see what's going on here. 649 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 3: Ah, you know, It's it's one of those things like 650 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 3: and this is just because I was there in early October. 651 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 3: What I was looking for was fresh sign, right, So 652 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 3: like everywhere I went, if you got on a scene 653 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 3: of change, some kind of change in the cover type. 654 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 3: You would see those old scarred rubs right like you 655 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 3: would see where you know, even like you see those 656 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 3: like sapling asspen that are falling over because they rode 657 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 3: it out in the middle from a rub that's twelve 658 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: years old or whatever. You know, that tells you that 659 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 3: that area has movement on it, right. But then it's like, okay, 660 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 3: are there deer here right now? So that's what I 661 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 3: was really looking for, is like is their brows fresh? 662 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 3: Is there fresh nipped shrub tips? You know? Now? Is 663 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 3: there a fresh rub near that? 664 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: You know? 665 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: Is there some inkling of a scrape? And I'll be 666 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 3: honest with you, I didn't find any fresh scrapes. But 667 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 3: what I did find was some fresh rubs that told 668 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 3: me like, Okay, a buck spent some time here. And 669 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 3: I'm not just looking for like, you know, one inch 670 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 3: sapling that's scraped and broken, like you're looking for that. 671 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 3: A lot of the ones that I found up there 672 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 3: were on tag alder where a tag alder that's or 673 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 3: five inches around is worked and it's two feet and 674 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 3: almost all the way around, And then you know that 675 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 3: buck was mad for a long time while he was there, 676 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 3: which tells me like he's not just out somewhere that 677 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 3: he's never been before and spending all his time making 678 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 3: all this noise. He lives here or he had he 679 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 3: is familiar with this place, right So that's what I 680 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 3: was looking for. And I only found a couple instances 681 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 3: of that fresh sign. You know, there's a lot of 682 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 3: old pretty rubs, but I only found a couple that 683 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 3: were like, dang, this is this is where I need 684 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 3: to be focusing. 685 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 2: And you didn't find any scrapes, no scrapes. 686 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 3: But again, I was there, you know, early October, and 687 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 3: I wasn't near a lot of cuts where I was 688 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 3: focusing that time. I think if I had have gone 689 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 3: near the cuts, I would have found like those early scrapes, 690 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 3: you know, where they're they're spending a lot more time, 691 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 3: like on their food sources, in the staging areas near 692 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 3: those food sources. I was more or less going like, Okay, 693 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 3: this is the spot that I can get into an 694 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,719 Speaker 3: access quickly off the river and I can pop into here, 695 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,239 Speaker 3: be low invasive, and just find are there dear here 696 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 3: right now? So I think if I would have looked 697 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 3: in those other places, I would have found some scrapes, 698 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 3: but I just I wasn't in the right areas for it. 699 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: Right when you when you talk about tag alders, man, 700 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 2: I find a lot of interesting woods buck signed when 701 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,239 Speaker 2: I hunt woodcock, oh yeah, oh yeah, because I mean 702 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: you're always around those. And that's that's something after the 703 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 2: last two years over in Wisconsin that I've tried to 704 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: figure out more as those alder swamps, because they are 705 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: just a special kind of cover, Like you can't go 706 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 2: through them. 707 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 3: Because like you look at them in an aerial and 708 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 3: it just looks like this massive nothing. But you know, 709 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,479 Speaker 3: if you ever have to go through with all their swamp, 710 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 3: all of a sudden you're going through and there's just 711 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 3: a six to twelve inch change in elevation. It's just 712 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 3: this little dry hump and that's where the rubs are, 713 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 3: and it's like you would never find that or see 714 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 3: it unless you're trudging through there. And then all of 715 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 3: a sudden you get out in the spot and there's 716 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 3: a couple of sprigs of raspberry or you know, maybe 717 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 3: one aspen, and it's like now there's change, and that's 718 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 3: why those deer there there's a little bit more brows 719 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 3: there's a little bit different cover, you know, and so 720 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 3: unless you're really putting in those miles, which sucks walking 721 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 3: through those older swamps, right, but like that's where I 722 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 3: feel like you find. 723 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: A lot of that really valuable stuff, dude, you do, 724 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 2: and that lesson there, you know, I think when you 725 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 2: talk about elevation changes, I think, you know, I grew 726 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 2: up in the bluffs down along the Mississippi, so I'm 727 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 2: used to like big hills, right, And when you have 728 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 2: big hills, you have big saddles, and you have big 729 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 2: pinch points, and it's like to me, it's just so 730 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 2: much easier to read the flat stuffs hard man, Like 731 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 2: you can't control where they're gonna go, you know, with 732 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 2: the wind, it's a different thing. But when you when 733 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 2: you have like relatively flat ground, like you're talking about 734 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 2: like an alder, swamps gonna be low and flat, just 735 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 2: it is going to be. But you see that little 736 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 2: pocket of you know, uh, some kind of some kind 737 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 2: of pine trees or something that's like just like a 738 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 2: species of tree that's gonna grow in a little bit more, 739 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: like it needs a little bit more. It can't drown out. 740 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: And then you're like you you know when you walk 741 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 2: up to that, there's gonna be buck side definitely, like 742 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 2: there's gonna be beds. It's the same thing those cat 743 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 2: tails we were in. Yeah, you get out there and 744 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 2: you're like this is all the same, and then you 745 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 2: start walking through it and then you're like, Okay, there's 746 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 2: a vein of willows over there, a little bit of 747 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 2: dog would over here or something, and that's where the 748 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 2: sign is, that's where the birds are, that's where the 749 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 2: deer are. And it's like, man, you can't. You can 750 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 2: sort of pick that stuff up on on X or 751 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: you know, aerial photos, but until you walk it, you 752 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 2: just don't know. 753 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, And that's that's what's so fun about Like 754 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 3: playing around on aeriels is like trying to look at 755 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 3: like I mess with like the leaf off cover and 756 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 3: you know you're looking like, Okay, when was this photo taking. 757 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 3: What's time of year? Is it in early spring? Where 758 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 3: you know the aspens are popping a little bit different. 759 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 3: Like it's so fun to like look and try and 760 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 3: figure out just what clues the aerial gives you. And 761 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 3: it's like it's this you know, dead piece of data, right, 762 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 3: It's just like this is a photo that was taken. 763 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 3: At some point you're trying to like figure out like 764 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 3: what does this actually mean? What can it actually tell me? 765 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 2: You know? 766 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 3: But then it's like, all right, now I drop some 767 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 3: pins in there. Now I gotta go trudge through there. 768 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 2: And actually look at it, right well, But it's just 769 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 2: how it goes, you know, And it's that's the kind 770 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 2: of stuff in you know, when you have nothing to 771 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 2: do in February, that's good stuff to walk. The water's 772 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 2: going to be frozen, you know. I just got permission 773 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 2: last night to hunt this farm with my daughters by 774 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 2: my house that I've you know, I've turkey hunted and 775 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 2: I've hunted in the past, but I always got to 776 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 2: go ask him. Yeah, and he was telling me about 777 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 2: where they're seeing the bucks and you know, the usual stuff, 778 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: right yeah, And I can't I gotta wait till I 779 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 2: gotta go to Montana here in a second. But I 780 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 2: when I come back, I can't wait to go walk 781 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 2: that farm to just figure out, like I know where 782 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 2: the I know those dear are going to be concentrated 783 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 2: because we just wrapped up a long gun season and 784 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 2: there's only so many spots. But doing that like just 785 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 2: kill your buck and go take a walk or like 786 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 2: it's so valuable. And I did this. You know, I 787 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 2: had a entirely different plan for Wisconsin this year based 788 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 2: off of the fact that I killed a buck last 789 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 2: year and I had a couple of days to mess around, 790 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 2: and so I went and walked swamps Oka and I 791 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 2: dropped cameras and I was like, Okay, now I'm learning something. 792 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 2: And I I built my whole plan around it this year, uh, 793 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 2: until I got distracted by that public land stuff. But 794 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, and you know this, that boots on 795 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 2: the ground stuff after review, like you said, when you 796 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 2: can't sleep and you're scrolling through on X and just 797 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 2: looking and then you get out there like we've got 798 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 2: months of off season coming up. Oh yeah, you know, 799 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 2: and we've got. 800 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 3: Funny when you get to this point in the season 801 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 3: and it's like there's still time left to make plays 802 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 3: and you're already like almost like writing it off like 803 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 3: I want to. I'm already like looking ahead to like 804 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 3: what intel can I find now? This could help me 805 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 3: next year. Right, I'm at that point where you know, 806 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 3: right now, like Muscloaders open, I'm home. I should be 807 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 3: muscloader hunting, and it's like, you know, I should probably 808 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 3: score some Brownie points while I'm home, and like I'll 809 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 3: take a sit or two here like this week. But 810 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 3: it's not like I'm like pushing as hard as I could, 811 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 3: because it's like, I've already had a great year. This 812 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 3: is awesome and I'm looking forward to next year so 813 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 3: much that it's like I'm thinking about the scouting I'm 814 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 3: gonna do for next year already. 815 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's so I mean, I know we pre 816 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 2: this all the time. I look at winter scouting kind 817 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 2: of like the all day sit thing, right, like we 818 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 2: talk about it all the time. I feel like there 819 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 2: aren't a lot of people who do it, and it's 820 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 2: such a it's so valuable. And if you tie that in, 821 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 2: I mean, if you if you don't want to go 822 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 2: out right now, like you said, you know, the muzzlar 823 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 2: seasons are open or whatever. You know, maybe maybe not 824 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 2: this month, but next month. In a lot of places, 825 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: that deer season is going to be closed, and definitely 826 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 2: by February. And there's so much to learn out there 827 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 2: and a lot of your lessons from the last season 828 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 2: are still super fresh, absolutely, and so you're like, and 829 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 2: people think they don't really think about that stuff. Like 830 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 2: if you you know, you went and ran those cameras 831 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 2: in the up, didn't find what you needed, but you 832 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 2: found something. You found some stuff, you got some information, 833 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 2: you make a run up there and look around. All 834 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 2: of that's fresher now than it would be when you 835 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 2: go back in the summer, Turkey season or whenever that 836 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 2: shit matters one. 837 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,760 Speaker 3: Hundred percent, And now like you look at it and think, like, okay, 838 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 3: January February, depending on the winters that we have, like 839 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 3: these deer are gonna be doing completely different things than 840 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 3: they were doing all season. So then all of a 841 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 3: sudden you get into these areas and there's cow paths 842 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 3: and there's a ton of sign and there's shit everywhere, 843 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 3: and you're just like, holy cow, I need to hunt here. 844 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 3: It's like, okay, now are they here because it's winter 845 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 3: and they're they're living here now because the food sources 846 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 3: and cover has changed, or were they here in October November? 847 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,280 Speaker 3: So then you have a lot more to like sift 848 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 3: through versus like right now, it's so easy to go 849 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 3: out and be like, holy cow, there's a big pad 850 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 3: up up there. That's an enormous community scrape, right that's 851 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 3: not covered in snow or whatever. Like there's so much 852 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 3: to learn, Like as soon as that season is over, 853 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 3: if you're done hunting, or you want to go take 854 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 3: a walk with your muscleoader or whatever, Like there's a 855 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 3: lot to learn right now. 856 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 2: Big time. I want I remembered something I wanted to 857 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 2: ask you when you know, I asked you what you 858 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 2: have learned kind of or like what you've picked up 859 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 2: from some of the people you've hunted with. You know, 860 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 2: that's like a very that's like a softball question, right, 861 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 2: Like obviously you've hunted with a bunch of different people, 862 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 2: You're gonna pick up some stuff. But I think about 863 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 2: this a lot, like how do we how do we 864 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 2: get information to our audience that they aren't getting from everyone? Right? 865 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 2: And so I thought about this with you because when 866 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 2: when we've hunted together, you kind of hang your own 867 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 2: stands and you're like very capable of the whole process. 868 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 2: But what have you picked up? Is there anything that 869 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 2: comes to mind that you've picked up about like camping 870 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 2: or like stand set up or gear, you know, blood trailing, 871 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 2: like anything where you're like not not hunting strategy, but 872 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 2: like the shit that the glue that keeps the whole 873 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:32,720 Speaker 2: thing together. 874 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 3: I could do a whole episode on that kind of 875 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 3: stuff if I like really thought about it, I would say, 876 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 3: like what really jumps to mind quickly is just like 877 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 3: and I think it's comes from being a cameraman, but 878 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 3: like you want to be a fly on the wall 879 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 3: until it's time to not be so like when you're 880 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 3: hanging a set, you know, like I try and be 881 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 3: so quiet, and I like I nerd out on my 882 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 3: setup where it's like I tape where two pieces of 883 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 3: metal connect. I have my strap in a way that 884 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 3: as soon as I pull it out of unravels and 885 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 3: I'd take it and I hang it around the tree, 886 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 3: so it's not going to bang in anything. It's just 887 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 3: like I think filming has just kind of honed me 888 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 3: to try and be as minimally invasive as possible, because 889 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 3: like when I hunt by myself, like, yeah, I can 890 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 3: disappoint myself. But like if I looked look over and 891 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 3: I made a noise and I look over and that 892 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 3: hunter's looking at me because they heard the noise that 893 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 3: I made, then it's like shame, right, So it's like 894 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 3: it's like you're trying to not only keep yourself happy, 895 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 3: but you're trying to keep the hunter happy. Or you know, 896 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 3: you're sitting and you're trying to not spook the deer 897 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 3: that are coming in, So your movements are just so 898 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,919 Speaker 3: much more small and sobtle, you know, I would say, 899 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 3: like hanging a set. That to me, like I pride 900 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 3: myself and I think I had mentioned this year, I 901 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 3: wish there was like they do all these weird competitions, 902 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 3: they should do like hanging a set competition style, Like 903 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 3: I would love to sign up for that. I want 904 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 3: to do the fastest, the quietest, the most efficient like that. 905 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 3: To me, it would be so fun. And I know 906 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 3: it's super nerdy, but like that to me would be 907 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 3: super fun to watch. Like, Okay, what work I do differently? 908 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 3: You know? 909 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 2: I mean it's it's important, you know. I mean just 910 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 2: when when we set up, when we when we encountered 911 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 2: that buck in North Dakota the second time, when we 912 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,720 Speaker 2: didn't get a shot at him. That wood lot's tiny, yeah, 913 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 2: I mean that would lot is maybe five acres and 914 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: we had jumped some big deer out of that I 915 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 2: think the day before or two days before, just sneaking 916 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 2: in there looking and we got to the edge of 917 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 2: that sucker and set up in really shitty trees because 918 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 2: that's all that's there. And that buck came in and 919 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 2: worked that tree twenty one yards away. And there's the 920 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 2: way that that land is out there in the bad lands, 921 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 2: Like he didn't come from a mile away, he was 922 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 2: there and that So that stuff is like, you know, 923 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,760 Speaker 2: and I know we've pushed this, you know, the saddle 924 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 2: and the mobile thing a lot, which of course makes sense, 925 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 2: but it's not it's not just enough to get a 926 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,320 Speaker 2: saddle or you know, we were using those exopeace stands 927 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 2: this year, which are freaking bad ass. Man. They don't 928 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 2: we don't have I don't have any relationship with him. 929 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 2: I fell in love with him. They are designed they're 930 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 2: like somebody was reading my diary when they made those suckers. 931 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 2: That's badass. But but that stuff is so important and 932 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 2: you you do pick up on things like that when 933 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 2: you hunt with other people, and that's that's one of 934 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 2: the things that I don't know how to do this yet. 935 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 2: I'm kind of working on this idea of like how 936 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 2: do we how do we sort of isolate those lessons 937 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 2: you know, from a hunt in a way to like 938 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,320 Speaker 2: share because there's so much little stuff, you know, and 939 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 2: I've I've had people where like, you know, I have 940 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 2: my own style of like butchering them in the field 941 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 2: or butchering them on the back of my truck, and 942 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,320 Speaker 2: that you could film that stuff. But it's like there's 943 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 2: so much, so many little things. 944 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 3: Right, It's the little thing. It's the hey, you make 945 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 3: this cut here on this deer, and that makes it 946 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 3: that much easier to take out. Like that's maybe not 947 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 3: something that's worth a whole video, but it's like those 948 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 3: little tiny lessons that it's just like, oh, this guy 949 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 3: showed me this one time. It makes a lot of 950 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 3: sense and it makes my life easier. Like you know, 951 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,439 Speaker 3: you mentioned blood tracking and stuff like that, and like, man, 952 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 3: I've been on so many blood trails with guys where 953 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 3: it's like, seriously, this is how we're doing this, Like 954 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 3: slow down, man, Like let's let's let's actually like sift 955 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 3: through and figure out what's happening here. You know. I 956 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 3: think like there's so many people that you do learn 957 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 3: from that It's like I feel like a lot of 958 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 3: the things you learn from people is like slow down, Like, 959 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 3: don't just be in a hurry, like actually think about 960 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 3: every move that you're making. And that goes for blood trails, 961 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 3: hanging a stand, looking at signed whatever, like a lot 962 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 3: of the stuff we want to do very quickly, but 963 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 3: it makes way more sense to do it successfully and 964 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 3: actually like quietly or you know, efficiently. 965 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 2: I mean that that lesson. You can't you really can't 966 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 2: overstate it, and that's you know you you just followed 967 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 2: me through the cattail sou It's like, I'm I'm a 968 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 2: fast walker. Like people bitch all the time. I get it, 969 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 2: I get it, but I'm I intentionally do try to 970 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 2: slow down because you know, like the blood training thing 971 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 2: is a perfect example, right, like I can I can't 972 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 2: bloodshow very many people because it's just not it's it 973 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 2: is a it is a thing. It is a task 974 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 2: that requires patience, Like it is a task that requires 975 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 2: you to just throttle way back. And I think a 976 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,359 Speaker 2: lot of times we don't. We don't give ourselves enough time. 977 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 2: Like I have one buddy who's like he's perpetually late 978 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 2: for everything, so you know, like I know when he 979 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 2: texts me and he's like, yeah, I got in a 980 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 2: little late this morning, or like he was rushing and 981 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 2: rushing and rushing and rushing. And one of the things 982 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 2: that you know, a lot of these traveling trips, like 983 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 2: we we had this in North Quota this year. That 984 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 2: was the middle of October, so it wasn't rut, it 985 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,840 Speaker 2: wasn't all days sit time. But you're you're you're facing 986 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 2: the reality of you walk out in the morning, do 987 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 2: your morning sit and you're like, are you gonna go 988 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,360 Speaker 2: all hike all the way out and go back to 989 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 2: camp or are you going to stay out there? I mean, 990 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 2: we stayed out there on the river, you know coup 991 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 2: that was great, awesome, but we stayed out there. And 992 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 2: then you know, even though you end up sitting longer 993 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 2: than you probably would need to, you also are walking 994 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 2: into a situation where you're like, I don't know where 995 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 2: we're going to hang this set. I don't know what 996 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 2: we're gonna find. I don't know who we're gonna bump into. 997 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 2: I don't know the level of impact we're gonna make 998 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 2: on this little tank that I want to hunt. But 999 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 2: we're gonna blow deer out of there. So if we 1000 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 2: can give it an extra hour or two or three 1001 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 2: to get our setup right and settle in and let 1002 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 2: let like let nature kind of come back and like 1003 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 2: find that balance that stuff matters. 1004 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's you know, not that you need to 1005 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,359 Speaker 3: go on these big long sits and give yourself all 1006 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 3: this time to enjoy nature or whatever. You know, it's 1007 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 3: like give yourself more time so that you can make 1008 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,880 Speaker 3: less of an impact getting in. You know. It's like 1009 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,320 Speaker 3: if you actually are not in a hurry, you're making 1010 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 3: a lot better decisions. I feel like too. 1011 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that's you know, this is this 1012 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,360 Speaker 2: is something that I think we a lot of people 1013 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 2: kind of have this idea like I want this property, 1014 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 2: I want the box b linds, I want the set 1015 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 2: up ladder stands. If you have that situation, you don't 1016 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 2: need to do this. Really you should. You should have 1017 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 2: your work done ahead of time, but you still should 1018 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 2: have a mobile setup because those deer are gonna figure 1019 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 2: you out. They're gonna they're gonna they're gonna react to 1020 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,840 Speaker 2: you in a way where you're still gonna need to 1021 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 2: do that. So this is like a this is a 1022 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 2: muscle you need to work. I get. Yeah, you don't 1023 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 2: let me put it this way. You don't meet anybody 1024 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 2: who could show up on public lands somewhere who's not 1025 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,799 Speaker 2: really good at that. Yeah, like giving themselves time and 1026 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 2: figuring this stuff. 1027 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 3: Out, for sure, I mean you do. You do meet 1028 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 3: a lot of guys that are throwing it together. But 1029 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 3: the guys that are successful, like they have every variable checked, 1030 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 3: you know, they're they're thinking about it ahead of time, 1031 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,480 Speaker 3: and that's you know that to me is again one 1032 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 3: of the nerdier parts about what we do. But I 1033 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,280 Speaker 3: love like that feeling of like I'm super preferred for tomorrow. 1034 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 3: I have everything where I need it to be, and 1035 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,919 Speaker 3: I know I'm gonna get up in the morning, pour 1036 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 3: myself a cup of coffee, and I'm gonna go and 1037 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 3: everything is set. You know that to me is like 1038 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 3: super satisfying. And then when you get in there and 1039 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,399 Speaker 3: everything goes hey wire, at least you're ready for it. 1040 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,080 Speaker 2: You know, right. So let me run a scenario by you. 1041 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 2: So one of our producers calls you up and says, hey, Dylan, 1042 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 2: we have a shoot for you if you want it. 1043 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 2: What I'm assuming I'm gonna fill in the blanks here 1044 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 2: for you a little bit. I'm assuming that you probably 1045 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 2: like personally enjoy like a public land hanging bang type 1046 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 2: of thing a lot. Oh yeah, what's it like? What 1047 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 2: would be a kind of hunt where they would be like, hey, 1048 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,040 Speaker 2: can you film this where you'd be like, oh, that's 1049 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 2: just kind of a job. I'm gonna take it. 1050 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 3: Public land peasant hunting in western North Dakota wasn't like that. 1051 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,320 Speaker 3: On an opening weekend of rifle season, I was definitely like, oh, man, 1052 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,879 Speaker 3: all right, I'll do it. 1053 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 2: But it's going to pay those bills. 1054 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,399 Speaker 3: But that's right, man, make cave while the sunshines, right. 1055 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 3: I I hate turning down work like that's you know, 1056 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,080 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you have to pay bills, right, 1057 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 3: So it depends on what jobs are thrown your way. 1058 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,439 Speaker 3: But like, if I could pick, it would be going 1059 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 3: to a new state, a new area and hanging banging 1060 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 3: on public land like that to me is the most 1061 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 3: fun thing to do. And it's one of those things 1062 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 3: where even if we're not successful, like we have probably 1063 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 3: had a blast getting our asses kicked, where there's probably 1064 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 3: still one heck of a story to be told. And 1065 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,799 Speaker 3: if it is successful and you do kill a deer, 1066 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 3: you probably have a heck of a story to tell. 1067 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,399 Speaker 3: Because holy crap, that doesn't happen all the time, right, So. 1068 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,239 Speaker 2: But what's what's a hunt that you would they would 1069 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,359 Speaker 2: pitch to you where you'd be like, I'll do it, 1070 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 2: but I don't, like in your head like I do it. 1071 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:33,720 Speaker 3: Like you know, I would hunt private land, white sail somewhere. 1072 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 3: I would absolutely I'd have a blast doing and I 1073 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,400 Speaker 3: do it all the time with people. But it's one 1074 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,440 Speaker 3: of those things where it's just like not that it 1075 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,919 Speaker 3: necessarily feels like a grind or like work, but it's 1076 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,359 Speaker 3: just like it's not as fun to me. I'll do it, 1077 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,000 Speaker 3: but it's like, yeah, all right, it's not as exciting. 1078 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,839 Speaker 3: That's what's so fun about what I do is most 1079 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,439 Speaker 3: of the time I go on these trips or hunt 1080 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,120 Speaker 3: with people, I'm excited just to be there. Like I'm 1081 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,840 Speaker 3: grateful that I got the call to be there, right, So, Like, 1082 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,440 Speaker 3: you know, there's nothing that really jump saw at me 1083 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 3: that'd be like, ah god, it. 1084 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 2: Is part of that just because there there's just less 1085 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 2: of a story to tell a lot of times, like 1086 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 2: you because you this is what people don't understand. Behind 1087 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,319 Speaker 2: the scenes. My producer bitches all the time. He's like 1088 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 2: we gotta get transitions. We gotta get these shots, we 1089 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 2: gotta get these shots, we gotta get these shots. Because 1090 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 2: to build a story, you have to have the footage. 1091 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 2: Like it's not just filming a deer dying, Like yeah, 1092 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 2: you're you're providing them with hours and hours and hours 1093 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,800 Speaker 2: of footage of specific shots so that they can piece 1094 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,799 Speaker 2: together something that has this flow and this storyline and 1095 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,480 Speaker 2: like a secondary through line. And your job is to 1096 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 2: gather all those pieces. And if you go someplace where 1097 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:42,959 Speaker 2: the hunting is really good, and you know you're gonna 1098 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 2: sit this stand today and that stand tomorrow, it's just 1099 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,320 Speaker 2: like a harder story to build. 1100 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 3: It. I wouldn't say that it's a harder story to build. 1101 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,960 Speaker 3: It's just that this story's already been told a thousand times, 1102 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 3: you know. It's like, you know, for example, I used 1103 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 3: to film weddings to make ends meet. I hope I 1104 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 3: never have to film, and I hope I never have 1105 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 3: to edit another wedding because it is the same story 1106 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 3: every time, you know, And it's like you're literally just 1107 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,840 Speaker 3: checking boxes of Okay, I got this leaf shot, I 1108 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 3: got the broadhead on the end of the you know, 1109 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,279 Speaker 3: whatever I got. You know, as we're coming off of 1110 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,440 Speaker 3: the side by side to go hunting or whatever. It's 1111 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,880 Speaker 3: like it's the same story or over and again, over 1112 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,319 Speaker 3: and over again. And that's not to say that I 1113 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 3: don't love telling that story. It's just not as exciting 1114 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 3: as going somewhere new and being like, Okay, this is 1115 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 3: completely different. Now I have to try and piece this 1116 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,279 Speaker 3: story together as it's happening, versus, Hey, I know we're 1117 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,560 Speaker 3: going to do this and I just have to be 1118 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:33,359 Speaker 3: ready for it and. 1119 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 2: Have it again. That's to me if I could equate 1120 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,479 Speaker 2: that to my work life. That's when my editor is like, hey, 1121 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 2: we did a bunch of SEO, you know, analytics and 1122 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,399 Speaker 2: mature Bucks and the rut really perform well, so can 1123 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 2: you write a bunch of articles about killing Bucks Mature 1124 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,360 Speaker 2: Box during the rut? And you're like, oh, there's nothing 1125 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 2: left to say, man, Like I don't know what to do, 1126 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,800 Speaker 2: but it just is a part of the gig. Yep. 1127 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And then again like I'm not it sounds like 1128 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,960 Speaker 3: a bitching or whining. I love what I do. I 1129 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,279 Speaker 3: love no matter where I'm filming these hunts, as long 1130 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,000 Speaker 3: as I'm in a tree and waiting for a deer. 1131 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 3: That to me, is it? I love it? 1132 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well I can say from a guy who's hunted 1133 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,760 Speaker 2: with you a lot, you do a lot of bitching 1134 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,440 Speaker 2: and whining. It's really annoying. 1135 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:25,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1136 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:26,960 Speaker 2: Mark said that too. 1137 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's why it doesn't have me filmed anymore. 1138 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,319 Speaker 3: I guarantee. 1139 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,839 Speaker 2: Let's talk about your other business, because you also have 1140 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 2: another business that you're doing a lot of work in 1141 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,480 Speaker 2: the white tail world. Yeah. 1142 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,880 Speaker 3: And just to disclaimer this, it is not my business. 1143 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 3: I work with and for Jeff Sturgis at White Til 1144 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 3: Habitat Solution, So I do Habitat consulting Hunt Consulting basically 1145 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,880 Speaker 3: under the umbrella of White Til Habitat Solution. 1146 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:51,400 Speaker 2: Got it. 1147 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 3: And so he keeps me very busy doing that. And 1148 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,080 Speaker 3: I absolutely love that too. And I'm actually switching over 1149 00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,360 Speaker 3: into that season here shortly. 1150 00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 2: And what do you do for that? 1151 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,920 Speaker 3: So, I mean long story shorts. I work with private 1152 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,800 Speaker 3: landowners that are looking to develop their property to be 1153 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,359 Speaker 3: a better white tail hunting property, and then I tell 1154 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 3: them how to hunt it once they've changed it into 1155 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,440 Speaker 3: that hunting property, so you know, and a lot of 1156 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,279 Speaker 3: times it's somebody that just bought a new piece of 1157 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 3: property and they've never hunted it before, and they're just like, 1158 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,359 Speaker 3: you know what, I already spent this much on the land. 1159 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,240 Speaker 3: I better set it up right so I'm not chasing 1160 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,240 Speaker 3: my tail for the next five years or ten years 1161 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,279 Speaker 3: or whatever. The other side of it is when I 1162 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,400 Speaker 3: get calls from people that have owned a piece of 1163 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,000 Speaker 3: property for a long time and they're just upset with 1164 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,160 Speaker 3: how the results are shaking out, you know, or they 1165 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 3: bought the property and it gets worse every year. We 1166 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 3: see that all the time, where it's like you have 1167 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:44,920 Speaker 3: this piece of raw ground, they buy it, and then 1168 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 3: they start hunting it, and they hunt it poorly, and 1169 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,279 Speaker 3: now it's kind of like they're stepping on their own 1170 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,600 Speaker 3: feet their whole hunt or the whole time that they're 1171 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,839 Speaker 3: developing this parcel. And a lot of times it's just 1172 00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 3: thinking outside the box and thinking like, Okay, where is 1173 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,560 Speaker 3: this process getting messed up, and how do we start 1174 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 3: it over to avoid that from the beginning. 1175 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,280 Speaker 2: So when you talk about those properties, are you talking 1176 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 2: because I feel like I see this a lot with 1177 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,839 Speaker 2: people where to get their hands on an eighty or 1178 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,799 Speaker 2: whatever they get and immediately turn it into something that 1179 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,319 Speaker 2: like is easy for them to hunt, right, they've got 1180 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,040 Speaker 2: the perimeter trail cut to drive the side by side. 1181 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm typically a big fan of that perimeter trail, 1182 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,359 Speaker 3: I'll tell you that right now. I'm usually a very 1183 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,000 Speaker 3: big fan of that. 1184 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:26,759 Speaker 2: But like why is that? 1185 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,560 Speaker 3: Why is that? Yeah, because then you're you're saving a 1186 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 3: lot more of your interior, your core, if you will, 1187 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,719 Speaker 3: for deer. Right, So like if we can pull your 1188 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 3: access to the outside, you're now giving more to the 1189 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,319 Speaker 3: deer in the center, you know. So we call it 1190 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,480 Speaker 3: depth of cover. So like depth either goes away from 1191 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,520 Speaker 3: a food source or from your access, right, So, like 1192 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,359 Speaker 3: you're trying to build as much depth of cover as 1193 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,319 Speaker 3: possible to encompass, you know, room for a mature book 1194 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,799 Speaker 3: that doesn't put up with pressure, doesn't put up with 1195 00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,640 Speaker 3: social pressure from other deer as well. So like you're 1196 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,600 Speaker 3: trying to make this property seem bigger in the eyes 1197 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,840 Speaker 3: of a deer. And to me, like the more that 1198 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 3: we can leave in the center, the less that gets marginalized. Right, 1199 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 3: So like that's why we like to pull a lot 1200 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,560 Speaker 3: to the outside, you know. But I would say, like 1201 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 3: the big mistake we see all the time is like 1202 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 3: big food plot right in the middle of the property, 1203 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,520 Speaker 3: or their best favorite gun stand right in the middle 1204 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,040 Speaker 3: of the property, where it's like, okay, this food source 1205 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,239 Speaker 3: right in the middle of property. You're nixing your depth 1206 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,919 Speaker 3: of cover. Then when you go and try and hunt 1207 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,680 Speaker 3: this food plot that's in the middle of your property, 1208 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,480 Speaker 3: you're probably blowing it off. Now you're blowing off this 1209 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,920 Speaker 3: thing that's supposed to be very secure and it just 1210 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,840 Speaker 3: so happens to be right in the middle of your property, 1211 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 3: you know. So it's like you're this attractor repel, you know, 1212 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,920 Speaker 3: pattern of Now your neighbors are shooting your target bucks 1213 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,560 Speaker 3: that you're getting on camera at midnight one in the morning, 1214 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,400 Speaker 3: and you're like, ah, I just need them the daylight, 1215 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,480 Speaker 3: and it's like, well, he's daylight twenty acres over, you know, 1216 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,200 Speaker 3: So let's rethink the sweets daylight here, you know, yeah. 1217 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,919 Speaker 2: Because you I mean, correct me if I'm wrong here, 1218 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,120 Speaker 2: but that that idea, right, you get your hands on 1219 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,319 Speaker 2: that eighty put that food plot right in the middle. 1220 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,200 Speaker 2: Maybe there's a metal there or something already to start with, 1221 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,040 Speaker 2: doesn't matter. Then you put that box blind in and 1222 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,920 Speaker 2: then when you go hunt, of course you're going to 1223 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,400 Speaker 2: center your cameras around that, right, Yeah, and then when 1224 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,799 Speaker 2: you go hunt, you're gonna be like default to that, 1225 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,040 Speaker 2: default to that, default to that. So you've made what 1226 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,920 Speaker 2: you think is the kind of like primo set up 1227 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,319 Speaker 2: for killing deer. But the way that you've set it up, 1228 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,360 Speaker 2: you are forcing yourself to burn out your best stuff. 1229 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 3: And then we have like what we call the great deceivers. Right, 1230 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 3: So like then you have your local dough family group 1231 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,200 Speaker 3: or you know a couple of buck fawns that live 1232 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,400 Speaker 3: in or near that area that can tolerate your pressure. 1233 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,720 Speaker 3: You're repeatedly seeing them, so you're like, I'm seeing deer. 1234 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 3: I'm not spooking my property out, but those mature box 1235 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,120 Speaker 3: like they're just not gonna put up with that pressure. 1236 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,799 Speaker 3: So now you're you're like checking the box, like there's 1237 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,160 Speaker 3: deer here. I'm doing everything right, But it's the deer 1238 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,239 Speaker 3: that can tolerate that pressure. Right, So it's like you're 1239 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,400 Speaker 3: repeatedly conditioning those deer that, hey, I'm here, it's fine, 1240 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,279 Speaker 3: but I'm sure buck just doesn't get conditioned to that 1241 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,959 Speaker 3: kind of pressure, right, So like you're pushing them even 1242 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,160 Speaker 3: further at that point because now you're pulling in deer 1243 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,520 Speaker 3: that can handle that pressure, right, So it's it's just 1244 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,759 Speaker 3: weird balance, and that to me is like the most 1245 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,759 Speaker 3: fun thing about it is like no two designs are 1246 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:26,080 Speaker 3: the same, Like no two hunting goals are the same. Typically, 1247 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,880 Speaker 3: like usually you have you know, somebody on the property 1248 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,799 Speaker 3: is super die hard. Maybe they're all die hard, but 1249 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,319 Speaker 3: like a lot of times there's Uncle Terry that comes 1250 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,319 Speaker 3: up for gun season and it's like trying to work 1251 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,720 Speaker 3: with all these different styles of hunting and put together 1252 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,360 Speaker 3: a plan that works, you know for everybody is so 1253 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:42,960 Speaker 3: fun to me. 1254 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,040 Speaker 2: I mean it is, and it that's that's the part, 1255 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,879 Speaker 2: you know when you're talking about that with with how 1256 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,279 Speaker 2: people kind of design their properties and then over over 1257 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,600 Speaker 2: time burn them out. Yep. I have a little thirty 1258 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,480 Speaker 2: acre property over in Wisconsin that I put a an 1259 00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,880 Speaker 2: ever expanding kill plot in, Like I go work on 1260 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,279 Speaker 2: it every year and make it a little bigger and 1261 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,200 Speaker 2: find some apple trees and mess around. But what I 1262 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,120 Speaker 2: learned about that I put it intentionally very close to 1263 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,880 Speaker 2: the road because I knew just the way that the 1264 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,120 Speaker 2: land around me was set up, like deer probably not 1265 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,600 Speaker 2: going to come in from that way. Anyway as much, sure, 1266 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 2: And so I'm like, if I cheated on that side, 1267 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,840 Speaker 2: I have more usable land that I won't be going 1268 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,160 Speaker 2: into a lot but still mine all and by accident, 1269 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,120 Speaker 2: I guess not by accident. But I'd also have a 1270 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,920 Speaker 2: little maybe like a four or five acre meadow that 1271 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,600 Speaker 2: has some of the alders in there and dogwood and stuff, 1272 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,760 Speaker 2: and it's sort of become a betting area, like there's 1273 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,520 Speaker 2: always a few deer use it. And what I learned was, 1274 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,200 Speaker 2: even though I kind of got lucky place in that 1275 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,440 Speaker 2: food plot in the right spot, when it took me 1276 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,360 Speaker 2: like five years of parking there to figure out that 1277 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,040 Speaker 2: I have to go park on the one end that's 1278 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,160 Speaker 2: closest to the two houses because they hear cars over there. Yeah, 1279 00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,040 Speaker 2: And if I park anywhere else, I see fewer deer, 1280 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,720 Speaker 2: especially in the evening when they're probably bedded in that 1281 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,520 Speaker 2: meadow and they hear me park on the other end 1282 00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,120 Speaker 2: of the property. They're like, we're not nope. 1283 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:08,640 Speaker 3: We heard him park. 1284 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,040 Speaker 2: We heard him crunch down the gravel. 1285 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,880 Speaker 3: They get conditioned so quickly, they learn so fast. I mean, 1286 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,800 Speaker 3: you know, even the deer here, and you know I 1287 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,720 Speaker 3: live on three quarters of acre here. It's attached to 1288 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,760 Speaker 3: my neighbor's own thirty five back here, and like our 1289 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,240 Speaker 3: dogs run outside, we drive the side by side back 1290 00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,560 Speaker 3: and forth all the time. But there's bucks that use 1291 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,280 Speaker 3: these woods back here, and it's like they've become accustomed 1292 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,439 Speaker 3: to what we do here in our yards and they 1293 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,400 Speaker 3: know what is normal. But as soon as my dog 1294 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,640 Speaker 3: runs too far to chase the squirrel into those woods, 1295 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,400 Speaker 3: or I get curious and I got to go take 1296 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:41,840 Speaker 3: a look at the scrape that I can see from 1297 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,160 Speaker 3: the field edge. Now the camera that I run in 1298 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,160 Speaker 3: there like doesn't have deer on for a few days. 1299 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,640 Speaker 3: It's like they learn so quickly what's normal, what's acceptable, 1300 00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,200 Speaker 3: and what's out of the ordinary, and what they need 1301 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,680 Speaker 3: to avoid. Like that to me is like goes so 1302 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,120 Speaker 3: far when it comes to pressure. 1303 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,440 Speaker 2: It's it's so crazy. I mean, that was one of 1304 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,200 Speaker 2: the things that just blew my mind when I'm moved 1305 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 2: here to the suburbs. How both turkeys and deer were 1306 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,480 Speaker 2: fairly like tolerant of me just walking on through yep, 1307 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,520 Speaker 2: you know, like and I see this, you know, this 1308 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,320 Speaker 2: little property I'm hunting here that I picked up two 1309 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:15,800 Speaker 2: years ago, and the one I'm gonna take the girls 1310 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 2: out on those deer smell people, hear people, and see 1311 00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,440 Speaker 2: people all the time. I mean, this this property that 1312 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,000 Speaker 2: they killed my buck on here this year, I can 1313 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,040 Speaker 2: I probably see people every time I sit in her 1314 00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,000 Speaker 2: in her yard. I mean, it just it sucks, but 1315 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,720 Speaker 2: it just is what it is. But when I go 1316 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,600 Speaker 2: out there to like hang a stand or something, if 1317 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,360 Speaker 2: I just burn through there, go do my thing and 1318 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,360 Speaker 2: walk out, you'll see deer looking at you. Like you'll 1319 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,320 Speaker 2: see deer standing off in the brush, and they're like 1320 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,600 Speaker 2: totally tolerant of that. When you walk in and you 1321 00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,800 Speaker 2: start messing around around them, they're gone. 1322 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,280 Speaker 3: I don't like too far in the weeds here. But 1323 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,600 Speaker 3: like there's studies on this where, like you know, they 1324 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,760 Speaker 3: study in like parks or you know, areas where there 1325 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,960 Speaker 3: are hiking trails or whatever, and like deer become accustomed 1326 01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:06,800 Speaker 3: to that intrusion of normal hikers or park goers whatever. 1327 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:08,840 Speaker 3: And then if a hunter goes in there and tries 1328 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,080 Speaker 3: to conceal his movements and conceal his scent and sound, 1329 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,920 Speaker 3: whatever wears camo the deer. Like that's that right, you know. 1330 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,040 Speaker 3: So it's like here, you think you're doing the right thing, 1331 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,200 Speaker 3: and you'd be better off if you're wearing a you know, 1332 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,200 Speaker 3: just a sweater going for a walk and carrying your boat. 1333 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,400 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's really crazy. I mean that that's 1334 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,080 Speaker 2: the other thing you know about this travel stuff. Right 1335 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,320 Speaker 2: Like when I hunt in northern Wisconsin, I get picked 1336 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,600 Speaker 2: off all the time. Like those deer are just like 1337 01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,120 Speaker 2: a game deer, right, like they just they have another 1338 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,080 Speaker 2: gear down. Oh dude, it's just I know, people like 1339 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,840 Speaker 2: listen to it and they don't believe, like they don't 1340 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,720 Speaker 2: believe it. But it's like it's for me, it's almost 1341 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,840 Speaker 2: a guarantee if I have an encounter over there, they're 1342 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,800 Speaker 2: going to look up unless I'm really tucked into a 1343 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,439 Speaker 2: pine tree or like a multi limb, multi trunk deal. 1344 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,160 Speaker 2: But that buck that I killed this year here in 1345 01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,440 Speaker 2: the Cities, that dude, I went it was the last 1346 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,600 Speaker 2: chance I had. It was November seventh. I hung a 1347 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,240 Speaker 2: stand where I've been seeing these years go through and 1348 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:05,920 Speaker 2: I had one place where I'm like, God, I hope 1349 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,360 Speaker 2: they don't come through there, because if they do, they're 1350 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,000 Speaker 2: gonna win me. And I turned around at like two 1351 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:11,960 Speaker 2: in the afternoon there was a buck standing behind me, 1352 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,080 Speaker 2: and I'm like, well there, unless he comes straight at 1353 01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,120 Speaker 2: me around the pond, he's gonna get me. But one 1354 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,560 Speaker 2: hundred yards away is a house and the wind is 1355 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,560 Speaker 2: blowing from the house to me and me to him, 1356 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,720 Speaker 2: and this is all I can think. That Buck wanted 1357 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,840 Speaker 2: so bad to go to this little dough betting area 1358 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,520 Speaker 2: in this person's yard. There's like five acres of just 1359 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,200 Speaker 2: six scrub brush on this house. And I see does 1360 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,120 Speaker 2: come and go there all the time, and that Buck 1361 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,080 Speaker 2: was going there, but he winded me and had I 1362 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,160 Speaker 2: had an ozonics unit going, but I was still like 1363 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,080 Speaker 2: just no way right, Like he's twenty five yards away, 1364 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,720 Speaker 2: but you could see him like wrestling with himself where 1365 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,360 Speaker 2: he's like I want to go through there, and I'm 1366 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,720 Speaker 2: not going to wade through this pond. I can smell 1367 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,080 Speaker 2: some asshole there. I don't know if he's hunting or 1368 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,160 Speaker 2: if he's just like leaf blowing. And he like would 1369 01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,720 Speaker 2: come in, turn around and go away, come in, and 1370 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,320 Speaker 2: it was like he was just like trying to talk 1371 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,680 Speaker 2: himself into it. And one time he came in just 1372 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,720 Speaker 2: a little too close and opened himself up and I 1373 01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,400 Speaker 2: pumped him. But I was like I think that deer 1374 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,240 Speaker 2: was sitting there like calculating in his head, is this haunter? 1375 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,800 Speaker 2: Is this like human like what? And you know, probably 1376 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,280 Speaker 2: not to that level, but like what threat is this right? 1377 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,080 Speaker 2: And he's like fighting that urge to go chase those 1378 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,760 Speaker 2: because he's November seventh. It was freaking great. Man, Like 1379 01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, give me all these dumb ass deer that 1380 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,440 Speaker 2: are like used to smelling people in their yards. I 1381 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,320 Speaker 2: need them, Like I'll take all of them. 1382 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:31,280 Speaker 3: That's awesome. 1383 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,520 Speaker 2: But it's cool. I mean you don't, like you wouldn't 1384 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,520 Speaker 2: see a fawn do that in so many places? 1385 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no kidding, And that's what's so cool too. 1386 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,200 Speaker 3: And like, no matter where you hunt, you know, we 1387 01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,880 Speaker 3: talked about this, especially when you're in North Dakota, South Dakota, whatever, 1388 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,200 Speaker 3: and you have a bear tree, it's the only tree 1389 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,680 Speaker 3: to get in and you're like, oo, am I gonna 1390 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,440 Speaker 3: get away with that, and you're like you're don't look 1391 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:54,880 Speaker 3: up out here, and you just get up there and 1392 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:59,280 Speaker 3: like you can get away with it. Versus Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, 1393 01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 3: it's like they'll pick you out if you peek around 1394 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 3: the tree. You're wrong, you know, it's so crazy. 1395 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,800 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I wrote a piece for last week 1396 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,200 Speaker 2: about this, but you know, we'll take that first North 1397 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:16,160 Speaker 2: Dakota hunt we filmed. I'm I'm really into natural ground blinds, 1398 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,520 Speaker 2: and part of that, I think is and this this 1399 01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,200 Speaker 2: might be totally bullshit. I don't know, but I feel 1400 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:24,960 Speaker 2: like a lot of times I get deer that just 1401 01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,720 Speaker 2: look right through me or past me, like they don't 1402 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,360 Speaker 2: expect you, you know, And so some of those situations 1403 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:31,720 Speaker 2: you get like out there, we could have been in 1404 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,320 Speaker 2: a tree and been fine, right like, but we didn't 1405 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,640 Speaker 2: have a tree right where I killed my buck. This 1406 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,720 Speaker 2: year in Iowa, we tucked up and I've done this 1407 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,720 Speaker 2: a few times, but we tucked up under a river 1408 01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,040 Speaker 2: bank and there's a bunch of willows and a bunch 1409 01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,920 Speaker 2: of yellow grass, and it was just kind of like 1410 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,800 Speaker 2: it felt like those deer and we had dose come 1411 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,480 Speaker 2: out and look right at us. That's awesome. Where You're 1412 01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,680 Speaker 2: like they just it's like they it doesn't register for them, right, 1413 01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,240 Speaker 2: And you know, like we got busted in the trees, 1414 01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,240 Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, it seems dumb, right, get 1415 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,760 Speaker 2: on their level, but you put yourself in those positions 1416 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,400 Speaker 2: and if you really kind of get brushed in. And 1417 01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,520 Speaker 2: I think it works with the landscape, like you can 1418 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,200 Speaker 2: kind of override that a little bit, right, and that 1419 01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:11,040 Speaker 2: that shit's fun. 1420 01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,200 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Oh I've had a blast hut with you 1421 01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,360 Speaker 3: that way the last couple of years. Like it's it 1422 01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,720 Speaker 3: like it almost feels like you're a kid again. Like 1423 01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,120 Speaker 3: I I personally, I haven't hunted like that in a 1424 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,520 Speaker 3: long time. So when it's like can we piece this together? 1425 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,840 Speaker 3: Can we make this happen? And then as it's happening, 1426 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:26,840 Speaker 3: you're like, oh god, are we actually gonna make this work? 1427 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,320 Speaker 3: This is this gonna happen? Like that to me, like 1428 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,120 Speaker 3: it brings back that youthful of like I don't know 1429 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:33,840 Speaker 3: if it's gonna work, but we're gonna try it, you know. 1430 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,840 Speaker 3: Like to me, especially like building those ground lines and stuff, 1431 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,320 Speaker 3: it's like we're trying to break up outline as much 1432 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,640 Speaker 3: as we can and then we're gonna see if it works. 1433 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,320 Speaker 3: Like there's something super fun about that, and it's been 1434 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,080 Speaker 3: super fun watching it actually work. 1435 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,440 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it. It is a very viable option 1436 01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,360 Speaker 2: if you know how to do it. Yeah, you know, 1437 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,440 Speaker 2: And and I think I think I think a lot 1438 01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,360 Speaker 2: of people try it right, Like when when Steve and 1439 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,360 Speaker 2: I were in Oklahoma last year, I found freaking ground blinds. 1440 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,800 Speaker 2: Oh really everywhere. I mean you just find setups everywhere 1441 01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,640 Speaker 2: down there. Everybody in Oklahoma hunts. It's wild. Oh yeah, 1442 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,120 Speaker 2: but a lot of them you look at it and 1443 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,120 Speaker 2: you go, there's just no way, like you're gonna get 1444 01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,479 Speaker 2: busted one hundred percent of the time, Like you gotta 1445 01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,440 Speaker 2: you have to have some depth, you have to like, 1446 01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,320 Speaker 2: you have to do it right. But what it opens 1447 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,920 Speaker 2: you up to for spots is like incredible, and it's 1448 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,240 Speaker 2: oh yeah. People have a hard time with it because 1449 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,840 Speaker 2: it's oftentimes not like you're not gonna see a lot, 1450 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:28,880 Speaker 2: but if they come in, you're gonna kill them. 1451 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,920 Speaker 3: And that now to me, like that thought just usually 1452 01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,240 Speaker 3: like it scares me of like what if they come 1453 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:35,919 Speaker 3: from this way and now I'm looking over and he's 1454 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:37,800 Speaker 3: fifteen yards and now I have to pick up my 1455 01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,000 Speaker 3: bow and draw, you know, like I I like to 1456 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,120 Speaker 3: see so if I can. I'm getting intrigued. But it 1457 01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,600 Speaker 3: has been super fun watching you and be like we 1458 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,320 Speaker 3: can make this word, let's do it. And I'm like, 1459 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,600 Speaker 3: all right, that sounds great, but holy cow. Would I 1460 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:51,880 Speaker 3: be scared if I had to be the one to 1461 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,439 Speaker 3: pick up my bow and draw it right now? 1462 01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,240 Speaker 2: But this is what I try to like, this is 1463 01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,800 Speaker 2: a message I try to get across. Is like if 1464 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,080 Speaker 2: you have a tree, use it right, Yeah, Like I 1465 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,560 Speaker 2: mean you just you just should mostly. But the thing 1466 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,280 Speaker 2: about that stuff is is you you can get away 1467 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,960 Speaker 2: with a fair amount if you do it right, and 1468 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,920 Speaker 2: if you do get a shot, it's awesome. Oh yeah. 1469 01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,440 Speaker 2: And so it's like you know, I mean again, it's 1470 01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,440 Speaker 2: there's like a compromise to be made somewhere in there, right, 1471 01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,600 Speaker 2: Like you can't see as much if you have conditions 1472 01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,000 Speaker 2: like we hunted in last year, where it's like you're 1473 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,760 Speaker 2: not going to hear them coming. Oh no way, yeah, 1474 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,720 Speaker 2: you know, and if they come from behind you, you're screwed. 1475 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,880 Speaker 2: But you get into a tree stand and they come 1476 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,920 Speaker 2: from the wrong direction, you're screwed anyway. 1477 01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very good point. Definitely, damn if you do, 1478 01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:36,320 Speaker 3: damned if you don't. 1479 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,240 Speaker 2: But I just I love that stuff because it's you know, 1480 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,640 Speaker 2: like you said, it is sort of sort of goes 1481 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,360 Speaker 2: back to like when a lot of us started, you know, 1482 01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there's kids starting now because of 1483 01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,520 Speaker 2: the options they have, it's different, But we used to 1484 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,480 Speaker 2: do that stuff a lot. Like we have one stand 1485 01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,400 Speaker 2: that weighed twenty nine pounds. Oh my gosh, you know 1486 01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:56,720 Speaker 2: it's screw in steps. 1487 01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,200 Speaker 3: Here's wild thinking about that, Like what a mobile set 1488 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,320 Speaker 3: was five years ago, ten years ago versus now. It's insane. 1489 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,520 Speaker 2: It's just really cool when you kind of you kind 1490 01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,120 Speaker 2: of put yourself in a position where you're like, well, 1491 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,640 Speaker 2: I I got to make this work. And you know, 1492 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,240 Speaker 2: this kind of ties back to what we started talking about, 1493 01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,840 Speaker 2: right where you're looking for that you know, concentration of sign. Right, 1494 01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,960 Speaker 2: so you go up into the up of Michigan and 1495 01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,640 Speaker 2: eventually find that swamp buck and where he's living. I 1496 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,800 Speaker 2: think you might kill him out of a tree, or 1497 01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,600 Speaker 2: you might have to do that next to the alders 1498 01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:32,040 Speaker 2: or something. 1499 01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,560 Speaker 3: Who knows exactly. Yeah, it just depends on what the 1500 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,840 Speaker 3: field gives you, right, And like I don't know. That's 1501 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,000 Speaker 3: why again, going back to just hunting at different places 1502 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,640 Speaker 3: and experiences in those different areas and how you have 1503 01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,240 Speaker 3: to play at a deer's level is so fun. How 1504 01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,280 Speaker 3: it's different, you know, from Kansas to North Daklada to 1505 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:55,080 Speaker 3: Michigan wherever. Like what you're given and what the deer using, 1506 01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,200 Speaker 3: you know, puts you in so many different scenarios, and 1507 01:07:58,240 --> 01:07:59,440 Speaker 3: that to me is super fun. 1508 01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,560 Speaker 2: It's a blast. Let's talk. Let's wrap this up talking 1509 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,240 Speaker 2: about the Adirondacks, because I'm I'm I have never met 1510 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,480 Speaker 2: anybody who's gone out there who hasn't been like this 1511 01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,200 Speaker 2: place is amazing and I need to go back. Yeah, 1512 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:11,880 Speaker 2: what is it? Man? 1513 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,400 Speaker 3: The vastness, man like just the nothing and just you 1514 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,160 Speaker 3: think about you know, I was in New York, but 1515 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,479 Speaker 3: I've done this in Maine. I was out there with 1516 01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:27,320 Speaker 3: Mark Kenyan in twenty twenty one. Just something so different 1517 01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:31,719 Speaker 3: about just this sea of the same timber for miles 1518 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,760 Speaker 3: and miles and miles and just just rolling soft mountains 1519 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,920 Speaker 3: and just somewhere out there in this horizon that I 1520 01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:40,680 Speaker 3: can see there's a big buck and I want to 1521 01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,200 Speaker 3: find them, you know, to me, like that is awesome. 1522 01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,120 Speaker 3: And this year I got the invite from a good 1523 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,599 Speaker 3: buddy of mine. He's been inviting me for a couple 1524 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,080 Speaker 3: of years to go out there, and I finally was 1525 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,839 Speaker 3: able to make it happen. And you know, I jokingly 1526 01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,439 Speaker 3: text him like, we keep some snow out there, right, 1527 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,320 Speaker 3: He's like, we need the snow. I'm like, all right, awesome, 1528 01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,040 Speaker 3: Like we're are doing the tracking thing. He's like, oh, 1529 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,439 Speaker 3: only way to do it. I'm like, all right, this 1530 01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,000 Speaker 3: is gonna be awesome. And didn't have the snow. So 1531 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,639 Speaker 3: we got there and you know, just took a mobile 1532 01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,000 Speaker 3: set and I started setting up on different kinds of 1533 01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,840 Speaker 3: habitat changes and cuts and where I thought, you know, 1534 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,519 Speaker 3: concentrations of deer would be and found a lot of 1535 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,880 Speaker 3: fresh signs. Saw a couple deer while I was sitting, 1536 01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,360 Speaker 3: but just you know, wasn't exactly on the X. 1537 01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,120 Speaker 2: And did you see any bucks out there? 1538 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:24,960 Speaker 1: Uh? 1539 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,479 Speaker 3: Not while I was hunting. No, But there was a 1540 01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,439 Speaker 3: couple of times where we were just like kind of walking, 1541 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,800 Speaker 3: just like, hey, you know, we're gonna kind of kill 1542 01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,439 Speaker 3: a few hours here and do some scouting. There was 1543 01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,559 Speaker 3: two times where we walked up on a buck where 1544 01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:42,280 Speaker 3: you could smell it. You know, you're like, oh, he's close, 1545 01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,320 Speaker 3: and then you start tiptoeing and we're not even tracking 1546 01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,040 Speaker 3: because there's no snow. But it's just like, Okay, he's 1547 01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,720 Speaker 3: gonna get up any second, and he's close where's he 1548 01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,960 Speaker 3: going to be? You know? And we did end up 1549 01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,920 Speaker 3: jumping some deer in one of those spots, and I 1550 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,000 Speaker 3: just didn't see the buck. You know, maybe he had 1551 01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,400 Speaker 3: already been gone or you know whatever, but very close 1552 01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,960 Speaker 3: to bucks, but just did not see any bucks. You know, 1553 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,639 Speaker 3: sew plenty of dolls, and of course the day after 1554 01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:12,479 Speaker 3: I left, they got clobbered with snow, and so I'm 1555 01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,519 Speaker 3: literally like, what are the odds that this happens? Right? 1556 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,639 Speaker 3: And my buddy texts me, He's like, it's beautiful out here. 1557 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,920 Speaker 3: He went out that next day, day after the snowfall, 1558 01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:25,680 Speaker 3: killed a beautiful point buck, like nice mature. They go 1559 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:27,479 Speaker 3: by weights out there a lot of times. I want 1560 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,280 Speaker 3: to say, his was like one hundred and seventy five pounds. 1561 01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,360 Speaker 3: And he said, that's a really good buck out there 1562 01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,920 Speaker 3: for his region where he's at, you know. But there's 1563 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,559 Speaker 3: just something so like, you know, romantic about just this 1564 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,640 Speaker 3: idea of this big woods thing. And now I'm just 1565 01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,000 Speaker 3: looking for tracks and okay, is this a track that 1566 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,840 Speaker 3: I want to pursue. What's the size of this track 1567 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,120 Speaker 3: versus the other ones? Yeah, I think this is a buck. 1568 01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:50,920 Speaker 3: I think it's a good buck. And now I have 1569 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,880 Speaker 3: to go follow him through his daily movements and try 1570 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,080 Speaker 3: and close distance on him. 1571 01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:56,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. 1572 01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,000 Speaker 3: That to me is just so cool. I want to 1573 01:10:59,000 --> 01:10:59,360 Speaker 3: do it so. 1574 01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,400 Speaker 2: Bad, kind of like a mix between a western hunt 1575 01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:07,360 Speaker 2: and a whitetail hunt. Yeah, could keep walking down and that. 1576 01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:11,920 Speaker 2: You know, I think almost everybody who hears about that, 1577 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,519 Speaker 2: and we've heard about that kind of hunting the hell 1578 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:17,240 Speaker 2: blood style for a long time thinks that you know 1579 01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,000 Speaker 2: you have to go to the Northeast to do it. 1580 01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:23,720 Speaker 2: You don't like I killed a dough years the first 1581 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,120 Speaker 2: time I ever did this. I killed a dough in 1582 01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,040 Speaker 2: Minnesota with a muzzle order. This is back before we 1583 01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,719 Speaker 2: could scope them, so it was just an iron sight steal. 1584 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,479 Speaker 2: I went out the last day a muzzlolder season. It 1585 01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,080 Speaker 2: was snowing and I'm just sneaking along and I looked 1586 01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:38,559 Speaker 2: up and there was a dough in a fawn ahead 1587 01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,559 Speaker 2: of me, and I missed her. And I remember thinking, 1588 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,120 Speaker 2: I can't believe I just blew my chance on the 1589 01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,120 Speaker 2: last evening. But then I was like, I can just 1590 01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,639 Speaker 2: follow them, and if they didn't leave this property, which 1591 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,720 Speaker 2: where I jumped him, I'm like, they're probably still on 1592 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,679 Speaker 2: the place I can hunt. So I followed it around 1593 01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,040 Speaker 2: and I watched where it was going, or I could 1594 01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,680 Speaker 2: see where their their trail dropped down this valley, and 1595 01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,679 Speaker 2: I was like, I know, there's an outcropping over here 1596 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,280 Speaker 2: that has a coyote don un or it's just a 1597 01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,400 Speaker 2: cool spot, Like I'm gonna crawl up on there and 1598 01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,559 Speaker 2: see if i can pick them up. And I crawled 1599 01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,280 Speaker 2: up there and I looked down and they were bedded 1600 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,000 Speaker 2: beneath it. So I shot that dough in her bed 1601 01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:13,719 Speaker 2: and I was like, that was some of the most 1602 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,640 Speaker 2: fun I've ever had. And I've talked about this, You 1603 01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,400 Speaker 2: and I talked about this when we were peasant hunting. 1604 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,880 Speaker 2: I did that last year. I didn't shoot one, but 1605 01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,160 Speaker 2: I got the conditions to follow tracks and the cattails, 1606 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,760 Speaker 2: and I think about it all the time. I'm like, 1607 01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,559 Speaker 2: that was the most fun I had last season. And 1608 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,920 Speaker 2: we've stacked up the deer last year. But so what 1609 01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,000 Speaker 2: I'm saying is, and that was on public land, right, 1610 01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,880 Speaker 2: Like you could go do that in Wisconsin with a 1611 01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,600 Speaker 2: fresh snow if you could get it right. And so 1612 01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,479 Speaker 2: that's another thing where it's like you know your buddy 1613 01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,360 Speaker 2: going out and shooting a big buck. That's really cool. 1614 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,880 Speaker 2: But if you're sitting on a dough tag and you 1615 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,400 Speaker 2: have a muzzle loader and you get that fresh snow, 1616 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:59,000 Speaker 2: you can go have a really fun hunt and it's 1617 01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:03,360 Speaker 2: not just your typical hunt and that that shit's so cool. 1618 01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,200 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, we used to do that. We do 1619 01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:09,320 Speaker 3: that in college a few times where you know, especially 1620 01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,960 Speaker 3: like this time of year for scouting, right, like to 1621 01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,320 Speaker 3: go explore a new property figured out and carry a 1622 01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,360 Speaker 3: rifle or a muzzloader if there's a season open, like 1623 01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,880 Speaker 3: you know, for example, here in Wisconsin we have the 1624 01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,000 Speaker 3: holiday hum where it's an antlerless hunt. What a great 1625 01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,680 Speaker 3: time if you have a tag or you can pick 1626 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,960 Speaker 3: up a tag on public land to just go and 1627 01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,840 Speaker 3: like explore new properties and hunt while you're doing it. Like, man, 1628 01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:33,960 Speaker 3: it doesn't doesn't get beat right, So like, as long 1629 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,639 Speaker 3: as you have the conditions in the snow, that'd be awesome. 1630 01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,600 Speaker 3: And I definitely am going to be doing that. 1631 01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,479 Speaker 2: That more New Year's here, that holiday hunt. I'm torn. 1632 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,839 Speaker 2: I got that little three hundred blackout for my daughters. 1633 01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:49,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they want a rifle hunt. And you know, 1634 01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,360 Speaker 2: we have my buddy's place in southwestern Wisconsin. We can 1635 01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,960 Speaker 2: go to where the deer density is really high, and 1636 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,479 Speaker 2: the girls are like, we should go down there and 1637 01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,559 Speaker 2: shoot some does, and I'm kind of like, how many 1638 01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,800 Speaker 2: dos do? I want? A butcher kind of thing, like 1639 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,120 Speaker 2: I really want to take them, but I also know 1640 01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,040 Speaker 2: it could be one of those situations because you get 1641 01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,320 Speaker 2: like three free do tags when you buy down there 1642 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,920 Speaker 2: because there's so many deer. And I'm like, I know 1643 01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,200 Speaker 2: me so for sitting there and some deer come in, 1644 01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,519 Speaker 2: I'm gonna let them stack them up and then I'm 1645 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,080 Speaker 2: gonna be like, oh shit, and I got to butcher 1646 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:20,920 Speaker 2: all these So I'm kind of like, I'm not. I'm 1647 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,320 Speaker 2: kind of trying to figure that out. But anyway, to 1648 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,560 Speaker 2: your point, there are opportunities out there, definitely, you know, 1649 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,320 Speaker 2: not very obviously if you live down south. 1650 01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,120 Speaker 1: It's a different deal to wired to hunt. 1651 01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,120 Speaker 2: There's cool stuff out there. Your God, it's so much 1652 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:34,760 Speaker 2: fun to hunt with you, and it's been so so 1653 01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,519 Speaker 2: much fun to get to know you. Where can people 1654 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,559 Speaker 2: find you? They want to look you up? Maybe somebody 1655 01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,439 Speaker 2: wants to hire you to go film an awesome New 1656 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:41,880 Speaker 2: Zealand hunt or something like that. 1657 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:46,080 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm on Instagram. It's Dylan Underscore larming, can you 1658 01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:49,120 Speaker 3: and Elli and z that's my last name, not a 1659 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,200 Speaker 3: play on the camera, just that's actually. 1660 01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,200 Speaker 2: My sheer coincidence yep, pretty crazy. 1661 01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:55,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, find me there. 1662 01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,240 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate it, buddy, Thanks for everything. 1663 01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,080 Speaker 3: You bet, thank you. 1664 01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,160 Speaker 2: That's it for this week, folks, make sure to tune 1665 01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,160 Speaker 2: in every week for more white tail goodness. I've been 1666 01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,280 Speaker 2: your guest host. 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