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Speaker 3: to this week's episode of Laugh and Learn along with
Speaker 3: my great producer mister Aaron and we got a special
Speaker 3: guest co host today.
Speaker 2: I bring me in at the Man.
Speaker 3: But right now I just want to tell you guys,
Speaker 3: thank you for joining us. I am a little delayed.
Speaker 3: It's been a week y'all. When I tell y'all from
Speaker 3: last Thursday, the thirteenth, un two yesterday I can tell
Speaker 3: you right now my life has been a roller coaster.
Speaker 3: Rat I had. I was in a rental car that
Speaker 3: had an electrical fire that burned up fans, my iPhone, uh,
Speaker 3: some drags, some costumes, some gowns, some weeks, some other
Speaker 3: things that I will not mention that y'all ain't y'all
Speaker 3: be It is my my panties.
Speaker 2: So but thank god, we were not in the car.
Speaker 2: We were at an event.
Speaker 3: We were at Chris Spencer's one hour taping, which was fantastic,
Speaker 3: and it just jeep Wrangler, Chrysler. You got to do better.
Speaker 3: But you will do better because I got a trick
Speaker 3: for your ass, so get ready for it. I can't
Speaker 3: talk about it publicly, but y'all get y'all get the affidavia.
Speaker 3: And then my daughter's out of control, found out we
Speaker 3: have to move. We don't have to move out of
Speaker 3: our house to another house. It's just a lot going
Speaker 3: on in the world, so in my personal life. But
Speaker 3: I am here today, and I wish I was here
Speaker 3: On a happy note, on a joyful note, I'm usually
Speaker 3: a pretty pleasant person. But the world has become so
Speaker 3: great and so dark than the last four or five
Speaker 3: days so while it was happening to me personally, it
Speaker 3: was also happening to America on a different level.
Speaker 2: When we're going to get to that, and I got my.
Speaker 3: Very special guests, who I think is pertinent and very
Speaker 3: important to have on this part of this conversation today
Speaker 3: because she's a white woman and the experiences for her.
Speaker 3: We're watching the same thing, but our experiences can be
Speaker 3: very different. But in this situation, I don't know that
Speaker 3: it's very different. It's just the situation were just different
Speaker 3: skin colors. So ladies, young, please help me. Welcome my
Speaker 3: friend and yours Flayman for Life and one of my
Speaker 3: smartest claimants, the one and only Bobby Clifford.
Speaker 1: Why thanks for having me again.
Speaker 3: It's like fifty people screaming but they can't hear me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: of course, how are you, Bobby? How's everything in Boston?
Speaker 1: Everything is pretty good. We just had the We just
Speaker 1: had the Boston Marathon. It was the ten year anniversary
Speaker 1: of the bombing, so that was pretty emotional.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like only a couple of years ago
Speaker 3: because it's still fresh.
Speaker 2: In my mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does, it is. It's so it's so triggering.
Speaker 1: Netflix put out a pretty interesting three part docuseries that
Speaker 1: I watched. I wasn't sure if I was going to.
Speaker 1: In fact, I had to. I had to keep shutting
Speaker 1: it off and getting it up and getting down because
Speaker 1: it's amazing how much something can like trigger you or
Speaker 1: make you nervous. Because we were really even though I
Speaker 1: don't directly touch Boston, they had all of us. Governor
Speaker 1: Patrick had us all in our houses with our doors locked.
Speaker 1: You know, anybody within a twenty mile radius. It was
Speaker 1: pretty It was pretty amazing. It was it was an
Speaker 1: interesting docusaries if people are interested in it.
Speaker 2: Crazy, yeah, I listen.
Speaker 3: First of all, I never wanted to run a marathon,
Speaker 3: and after these bombings that at the Boston Minison, that
Speaker 3: really deterred me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well it was enough. I didn't want to run,
Speaker 2: but m I got to run and be shut up.
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't even want to get out of the
Speaker 1: car and walk into stopping shop. I'm exhausted those little scooters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I don't look. I don't even want to
Speaker 2: be in the vicinity. Y'all run bike rad jump our
Speaker 2: walk way. I gotta go jumped in my car. But Bobby,
Speaker 2: you know what was so tragic about that.
Speaker 3: That's ten years ago, and now we're experienced something that
Speaker 3: with the n RA and these gun laws just not
Speaker 3: being looked at, just being made an asterisk or footnote.
Speaker 2: It has gotten out of control.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: It's so many crazy shootings now for people accident to
Speaker 3: mind you, these are accidentally going to the wrong addresses,
Speaker 3: driving up in the wrong driveway, making them. And mind you,
Speaker 3: sometimes it's not even our fault because we were right
Speaker 3: down our era. We wrote down the richest because our
Speaker 3: eraror me and Bobby was pre phone, pre internet, So
Speaker 3: in order for somebody to give you directions, you had
Speaker 3: to write down turn left for this corner, turn right
Speaker 3: at this landmark, turn turn right and left at this
Speaker 3: streeting corner. But now GPS will send you directly to
Speaker 3: where you want to go. Here's the issue. Sometimes GPS
Speaker 3: is glitchy and will send you to the wrong get dress.
Speaker 1: They certainly will. Oh, they will send you over the
Speaker 1: river and through the woods. I always put the fastest.
Speaker 1: I'm like on the scene. I mean, it's absolutely crazy
Speaker 1: where it has you go. Take a lot, one way,
Speaker 1: take a lot.
Speaker 3: They trying to control the whole world with AI, but
Speaker 3: AI still is glitchy Ie that car that I was
Speaker 3: in last week, my car is in the shop for
Speaker 3: the exact same reason why they said my car was
Speaker 3: not a limit, but then you gave me a rental
Speaker 3: car that did the exact same thing. Mistakes happened, accidents happen,
Speaker 3: but people dying because you accidentally weighing the wrong doorbell
Speaker 3: or went to the wrong driveway. Do you know that
Speaker 3: a bone? Ladies Jehovah's Witness Girl, Scout cookies and trick
Speaker 3: and treating are now a thing of the past, because
Speaker 3: who's going to risk walking up to a stranger's home
Speaker 3: and ringing the doorbell and facing murder or or maiming
Speaker 3: or you know, paralysis or whatever. It is out of control,
Speaker 3: and it has happened a couple of times this week.
Speaker 3: So I want to start with the young lady, twenty
Speaker 3: year old young in upstate New York. Her name was
Speaker 3: Kaylin Gillis. She was riding with friends. They were going
Speaker 3: to a party. They pulled in the driver driveway of
Speaker 3: man's home. He was on the porch, Kevin Monahan, that's
Speaker 3: his name, correct, yep, and he shot and killed the girl.
Speaker 2: He's on the porch, she's in the car.
Speaker 1: No, the gauge shotgun with a twelve gage shotgun, like
Speaker 1: not even like she was an animal.
Speaker 3: So do you know and do you know what kind
Speaker 3: of damage a twelve gauge thus the hole that it
Speaker 3: leaves in a body.
Speaker 1: She was so tiny From the few pictures we've seen,
Speaker 1: she looks like if she weighed one hundred pounds silk
Speaker 1: and wet, you know that would have I can't even
Speaker 1: imagine he got off and just shot started shooting at
Speaker 1: the car. These poor kids flame. I think of how
Speaker 1: panicked they must be. They were an upstate New York
Speaker 1: where the cell phone reception is so horrific that that
Speaker 1: they couldn't even get nine one one on the phone.
Speaker 1: They had to go to the next town. By the
Speaker 1: time they got to the next town, when they called
Speaker 1: nine one one, they had the paramedics meet him and
Speaker 1: they pronounced the poor baby dad right there in the car.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine now he has been he has been
Speaker 1: uh charged with second to remurder. But it's not going
Speaker 1: to bring that mother's baby back.
Speaker 2: It's not going to bring the person who was drug
Speaker 2: because she was a passenger.
Speaker 3: She wasn't even the driver. Imagine sitting with your friends
Speaker 3: in the carbaby and you watch one of your friends
Speaker 3: get the light blown out of it. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: the damage that I've done to the other people in
Speaker 3: the car will go on forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I kind of even.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's mind boggling. I'm glad they charged him.
Speaker 3: I don't think he should have been charged with second
Speaker 3: degree murdered. I think he should have been charged with
Speaker 3: first degree murder. She hadn't got out the car. She
Speaker 3: technically she was on his property, but she was in
Speaker 3: a passenger in the car with the driver. Not that
Speaker 3: I'm phoning the driver. But this is why the gun
Speaker 3: laws need. This is why and I already need to
Speaker 3: have some control of the gun laws. But at this
Speaker 3: point you're never going to get all the guns from people.
Speaker 3: People have arsenals. We discussed that before on here. It
Speaker 3: is too And you were telling me the most disturbing
Speaker 3: story i'd heard about somebody that said had two year
Speaker 3: old had a gun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what she was on. I think it was
Speaker 1: the Chris Formo show who she calls in and she said, well,
Speaker 1: I've already got my two year olds. You probably know
Speaker 1: the weapon some hand done, and she already had a
Speaker 1: shotgun to get them started. I'm like, started for what.
Speaker 1: I didn't even let my kid play with just just
Speaker 1: any type of playgun because I didn't want to remember
Speaker 1: picking something up and you know, thinking he pointed at
Speaker 1: somebody and harm them in case it was a BB gun,
Speaker 1: put somebody's eye out or whatnot. The crazy thing about
Speaker 1: New York is they don't even have the stand your
Speaker 1: ground laws they have. They have a very broad version
Speaker 1: of I don't know, duty to retreat. I believe that
Speaker 1: calls when you you know, you think you're in trouble,
Speaker 1: you remove yourself. So this guy, I don't know what
Speaker 1: he's going to go on, you know what he's going
Speaker 1: to try to And you actually had a very good
Speaker 1: point where just popped in my head is you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be second agree murder. Maybe not because if you were
Speaker 1: sitting on the porch with a gun waiting for somebody,
Speaker 1: that's a plan.
Speaker 2: Right, You're sitting on your porch.
Speaker 3: You didn't go in the house to get the gun
Speaker 3: because and not according to the report, you were already
Speaker 3: sitting on the porch, but the gun you you were
Speaker 3: waiting for something to happen. So they can go down. Now,
Speaker 3: here's the thing, both Caucasian. But the other story where
Speaker 3: the black guy was killed with the white We're gonna
Speaker 3: get to that story. We you know, this guy's only
Speaker 3: charge with I think he charged with third degree mans
Speaker 3: slaughter and something else with more charges may be pinning
Speaker 3: because it's going to be attempted murder because the young
Speaker 3: man's have added.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get to that story down the line.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is barbaric to me that these gun laws
Speaker 3: have not changed, and it's happening more and more and
Speaker 3: more accidents happened by b I have went at the
Speaker 3: grocery store on the phone or just distracted, coming out
Speaker 3: pushing my car, walked to a car that looked like
Speaker 3: the car that I was driving at the time, and
Speaker 3: had went to the door and actually pulled on the door,
Speaker 3: you know, and we're.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, you have.
Speaker 3: The wrong damn car, you know, because most cars now
Speaker 3: all you have to have is the key on your person.
Speaker 3: And the doors were open, So I'm pulling and pulling
Speaker 3: like what and so it looked like I'm trying to
Speaker 3: break in because I'm pulling and pulling. But I didn't
Speaker 3: pay attention that I met the wrong car. So many
Speaker 3: cars look exactly alike.
Speaker 1: I've done that myself. My mother reminded me of time
Speaker 1: as a child, but I did it. Like twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: we didn't necessarily lock our drawers as much. We didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we had violence and we had crime
Speaker 1: and whatnot, but we didn't. I got all the way
Speaker 1: in the car, seatbelt on, put the keys in, and
Speaker 1: my key wouldn't go in, and I'm like, what in
Speaker 1: the world. I just have a much to look in
Speaker 1: the backseat and there was amends and unfortunately didn have
Speaker 1: a in my life at the time. There was a
Speaker 1: man's baseball cap and I went, this isn't mine. So
Speaker 1: I hopped out and I had no issue, which is
Speaker 1: which is sort of what our next? Our next? Uh
Speaker 1: said of the cheerleaders that you know, the next topic
Speaker 1: is going to be the same type of thing that
Speaker 1: happened to them.
Speaker 3: And they were at a great school, and uh where
Speaker 3: was it in Texas? It was in oh.
Speaker 1: Some private yeah, some some some cheerleaders.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they went to the wrong car, young the wrong
Speaker 3: car and got shot and oh my god, they didn't
Speaker 3: break They weren't even trying to break here. And you
Speaker 3: know when somebody is up to violence or up to
Speaker 3: no good, they look on their face, they look in
Speaker 3: their eyes. These were just young girls after practice went
Speaker 3: them and they got shot and shot.
Speaker 1: It is in the driver's sept and looked over and
Speaker 1: there was a man in the car. And she must
Speaker 1: have looked around and realized it wasn't her car, and
Speaker 1: it hopped out well that her car. The man came up.
Speaker 1: It was a Carlo Pedro Rodriguez, he's twenty five, came
Speaker 1: up to their car. So she rolled the window down
Speaker 1: to apologize to him, and he took He just went
Speaker 1: off with his handgun.
Speaker 3: And this is the climate of the world that we
Speaker 3: live in. Not only is it is it anger or resentment,
Speaker 3: it is fear. Everybody is afraid of everybody afraid. We're
Speaker 3: afraid of kids because kids, especially in Chicago, my hometown,
Speaker 3: they jacking you at eleven and twelve years old at
Speaker 3: the gas station. They're setting you up. They'll ask you
Speaker 3: for some change, or they'll pull if you pull them
Speaker 3: into park to go into the gas station or pull
Speaker 3: the gas They'll pull in front of you and behind
Speaker 3: you and a carra will pull it on the side
Speaker 3: of you, so you can't get away. It is, Bobby,
Speaker 3: It is so crazy right now in Alabama.
Speaker 2: Just happened.
Speaker 3: This just happened in Alabama, four k on the fifteenth,
Speaker 3: four kids were shot going a car in a car.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Bobby. I just I have children, and when
Speaker 3: I hear about kids, my kids age, I think that
Speaker 3: could be my fucking kid. That could be one of
Speaker 3: my kids. And I would not survive it. I think
Speaker 3: I'm a strong person, but I would not survive something
Speaker 3: like that. I don't believe happened to my My heart
Speaker 3: couldn't take it because I'm over it. So going to
Speaker 3: hard because I'm not gonna make a long episode because
Speaker 3: I'm feeling very emotional today. We're going to go to
Speaker 3: Kansas City, Missouri. Sixteen year old Ralph y'all beautiful young man,
Speaker 3: intelligent and smart and not not that any of that matters.
Speaker 3: He could have been the worst kid on the planet.
Speaker 3: He was still a sixteen year old kid went to
Speaker 3: the wrong house to meet his siblings and according to
Speaker 3: the man who shot him, he said he rang the doorbell,
Speaker 3: but a cod to the kid who is survived and
Speaker 3: is still alive, thank you Jesus and coherent, and it's
Speaker 3: on the road to recovery. He said, he never even
Speaker 3: touched the door handle. He never got a chance to
Speaker 3: ring the doorbell. As soon as he hit the porch,
Speaker 3: eighty four year old Andrew Lester shot him in the
Speaker 3: head one time and then shot him in the arm
Speaker 3: the second time. Bobby, that is so unfathomable to me
Speaker 3: that you couldn't call the police. You couldn't say get
Speaker 3: away from my door. You wasn't in the house. You
Speaker 3: were just on the porch. And the sad part to me,
Speaker 3: as a black person in this country, because the Constitution
Speaker 3: made us as black people only three fifths of a person,
Speaker 3: I don't think that Andrew Lester saw that this kid
Speaker 3: looked like a ten, eleven, twelve year old kid. In
Speaker 3: the face. All he saw was the color black. And
Speaker 3: he shot not once, and the first shot landed in
Speaker 3: his head. That wasn't enough. He had to shoot him again.
Speaker 3: The saddest part of that whole story to me, Bobby,
Speaker 3: was the boy ran off and ran to two neighbors'
Speaker 3: homes that denied him. So that whole little neighborhood, at
Speaker 3: least the surrounding area. Thing like they all had the
Speaker 3: same mindset of how they thought. It was the third
Speaker 3: person's house that he went to. He made it to
Speaker 3: three people's house after being shot twice, once in a
Speaker 3: head and the person who he laid on the ground
Speaker 3: bleeding and dad, the lady thought that he was dead.
Speaker 3: That's why she called because I'm not even sure if
Speaker 3: she would have tried to help him. He was still
Speaker 3: like he passed out, so she thought he was dead.
Speaker 3: Bobby white Man, black boy. He's out of bond. He's
Speaker 3: out on bond for two hundred thousand dollars. I don't
Speaker 3: know what his financial situation is, but I do know
Speaker 3: that that is a different level of racism in that
Speaker 3: age demographic. Let me say this, and say this clearly
Speaker 3: famous because y'all know I'm fair and you know i'm
Speaker 3: a give I'm not giving him a pass, but I
Speaker 3: want to see the whole picture. That age demographic is
Speaker 3: a different level of racism than our age demographic from
Speaker 3: fifty to sixty. That one was eighty. They grew grew
Speaker 3: up in a whole different mindset. That's not to say
Speaker 3: that what he did was right at all, but damn,
Speaker 3: you couldn't have called now one one, you couldn't have
Speaker 3: called the police. But when they don't see a person,
Speaker 3: they only see a color. That is where we are
Speaker 3: right now. I want them to take everything from this man.
Speaker 3: I want them to take everything that he has worked
Speaker 3: for his entire life, his home, his savings, his PINCHI
Speaker 3: and everything, because I just don't think it's right. He's
Speaker 3: out of jail on two hundred thousand dollars a bund.
Speaker 3: Do I think anything is going to happen to him?
Speaker 3: I think because he's he's that old, he's that old
Speaker 3: racist in that demographic, that he would die before going
Speaker 3: to jail. That that is my take on it. That
Speaker 3: is how I feel. But I want to hear from
Speaker 3: This is important to me by because you, as a
Speaker 3: white woman, I want you to be very honest with
Speaker 3: us and tell us what you see and what you feel.
Speaker 1: Oh. I think it completely has to be racism. I
Speaker 1: mean because to me that can't you look at a kid.
Speaker 1: He was the slightest, little wispful of I don't know
Speaker 1: how tall. I know that Lester said he looked out
Speaker 1: and thought thought he star six foot tall man. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean the kid's actually six foot tall I'd
Speaker 1: be interested to see how tall he was. He also
Speaker 1: looked like a little kid. And don't you ask first,
Speaker 1: you don't bring a gun, you know, a gun out
Speaker 1: without asking. Now they do have the standard ground in
Speaker 1: the state that they were in, but you have to
Speaker 1: feel threatened. He didn't threaten. He didn't try to break in,
Speaker 1: he didn't break a lock, he didn't try to climb
Speaker 1: in through a window. He didn't. He didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: And then to shoot him twice once he he's down
Speaker 1: on the ground that that wasn't enough. They said that
Speaker 1: the the boy said that. As he was running away,
Speaker 1: he said, now, don't get you don't come around here
Speaker 1: again like some old the Western movie or something. I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm absolutely I can't believe it. He was
Speaker 1: has the two charges. One could have a life sentence,
Speaker 1: the other one could be through three or fifteen years.
Speaker 1: One was arms criminal action and then the other one
Speaker 1: was selling assault. We'll see he should get something. I
Speaker 1: don't care how old he is. If he did the crime,
Speaker 1: you've got to do the time right. It's not fair
Speaker 1: and he should be it should be fine or something.
Speaker 3: Well, you say he's he's gonna get a lifcensance. He's
Speaker 3: eighty four, ain't gonna last much longer. And I'm sure
Speaker 3: that might be like this, and I'm and I'm sure
Speaker 3: the stress of this and that this will take a
Speaker 3: toll on him, because you know, unless this is something
Speaker 3: that he has regularly done. And I hate to say
Speaker 3: it like that, but a lot of times they have
Speaker 3: gotten away with this on numerous a case and so
Speaker 3: it's nothing. It's nothing to them. There is no no
Speaker 3: what is the what is that when you're conscious? There
Speaker 3: is no conscious. I'm like, I've done it before, I
Speaker 3: got away with it. I'm gonna do it again. The
Speaker 3: same way with make Bees down there in Georgia when
Speaker 3: they killed Amad Aubrey. You know, that guy had been
Speaker 3: a police officer for twenty plus years and there's no
Speaker 3: man telling me he had gotten away with this. But
Speaker 3: it was so disheartened by me because he looked like
Speaker 3: a young boy. I love the fact that his mom
Speaker 3: brought him home immediately because what it showed to me
Speaker 3: because he was home in like three days and he's
Speaker 3: still in bad shape. But he's on the man that
Speaker 3: if that area or if that part that neighborhood or
Speaker 3: that town is racist where those neighbors would help him.
Speaker 3: Who knows who works in the hospital, who's affiliated with
Speaker 3: this man he's eighty four. It could be a grandson
Speaker 3: and niece, a nephew, a kid or whatever that wants
Speaker 3: to say, Hey, we're looking out for him, So we're
Speaker 3: going to do something to this kid while he's in
Speaker 3: the hospital. So he could never testify, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know, but I'm glad that he's
Speaker 3: home safe because you never know who's affiliated with home.
Speaker 3: It's just safer for the young man. But by that
Speaker 3: scary story, it's nine bogglen and I hate to think.
Speaker 3: I hate to be such a conspiracy theorist to say, oh,
Speaker 3: wouldn't nobody do nothing to him to in the hospital?
Speaker 2: I watch Lifetime.
Speaker 3: I watch all these crazy movies where you see people
Speaker 3: doing things in the hospital. So if I didn't think
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory before, y'all have shown it to me in movies,
Speaker 3: so I would not think that it really does happen.
Speaker 3: It had to come from somewhere. Your imagination is big,
Speaker 3: but it had the story, had the basis of those
Speaker 3: stories had to come from somewhere.
Speaker 1: Well, you got to think flink when we were kids,
Speaker 1: would it be a crazier story or something that would
Speaker 1: be more far fetched than us sitting at our at
Speaker 1: our desks doing our work and someone coming in with
Speaker 1: an AK forty seven and shooting the school up. So
Speaker 1: it's not the conspiracy theories. They might sound far fetched,
Speaker 1: but that was far fetched to us as kids. But
Speaker 1: this is the reality that kids that are thirty and
Speaker 1: younger have had to live with, you know, since Columbine
Speaker 1: I had to live with. So no, it's not so
Speaker 1: far fetched. And then me from the hospital side, I
Speaker 1: already mentioned to you, I'm thrilled that he was home
Speaker 1: because there's all sorts of infections in hospitals, so the
Speaker 1: quicker's home health theory is and then the less chance
Speaker 1: that he has for you know, becoming a more step.
Speaker 1: And then he got he got a call from the
Speaker 1: White House, which I thought was great. I'm sure as
Speaker 1: a young kid that would be like so exciting to me,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden calling. I'm like, I'd love to see what
Speaker 1: that conversation was, like.
Speaker 3: I wanted to do I want to does Joe Biden
Speaker 3: remember that conversation? That's the better question.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but he's been begging.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden for years, has been begging for some sort
Speaker 1: of gun control, right, So the more not that he
Speaker 1: wants to see anybody get hurt. But I'm sure these
Speaker 1: these cases help bolster you know, background checks and all
Speaker 1: the different ways that you could. Actually you're not going
Speaker 1: to take people's guns away, but how in the world
Speaker 1: do we make it better? And I definitely think strict,
Speaker 1: more stringent background checks, especially for people that have been
Speaker 1: met Yaliell. You know, if somebody was pink papered at
Speaker 1: some point, you know of forceably put into the hospital.
Speaker 1: I don't think they necessarily should be able to have
Speaker 1: a gun. If a fella can't have it, then want
Speaker 1: our legal gun. They shouldn't be able to have gun too.
Speaker 1: I loved that his case is at actually being more
Speaker 1: of a catapult. It brought up the cheerleader case, right,
Speaker 1: It's it's making us talk about all of the other
Speaker 1: cases that are in the news recently. He got great support.
Speaker 1: I mean I first started Viola Davis had it and
Speaker 1: Sherry Shepherd both had it on their pages, and that's
Speaker 1: where I first went. And all of a sudden it
Speaker 1: kind of just unfolded from from.
Speaker 2: There and and they do have a go funding page.
Speaker 3: They raise the money for him and his family, you know,
Speaker 3: for medical bios and meerical he's going to it's going
Speaker 3: to be a long recovery. It's going to be a
Speaker 3: long recovery.
Speaker 1: Well certainly is because plains forget about the forget about
Speaker 1: the physical aspect. You don't think this kid's going to
Speaker 1: have mental health issues.
Speaker 3: The bank, Yeah, if he has fireworks, if he hears
Speaker 3: the bank, it may it may send him.
Speaker 1: He's gonna need a lot of He's gonna need a
Speaker 1: lot a lot of help. I was noticing as I
Speaker 1: was trying to look up stuff about gun violence, the
Speaker 1: BBC had statistics out that we're saying that there's a
Speaker 1: rise in the standard ground states that they there's been
Speaker 1: a rise in homicides of ten percent over the past
Speaker 1: three years, which is sort of sort of a lot
Speaker 1: of alarming to see any type of any type of
Speaker 1: increase it Also, I was noticing that a lot of
Speaker 1: these constitutional carry states are the standard ground states. They
Speaker 1: don't match up one for one, but they're pretty close.
Speaker 3: So, yes, he does have a GoFundMe page. Byby it
Speaker 3: was created by his anti faith spoon more and at
Speaker 3: to date, right now, Bobby, I'm looking at he has
Speaker 3: They were looking for two point five million, he has
Speaker 3: raised three point two hundred three point two million dollars
Speaker 3: three point two hundred and seventy seven thousand and thirty
Speaker 3: and thirty dollars. I'm going to donate. I am definitely
Speaker 3: going to donate because I want to be a part
Speaker 3: of this, and I think it's just tragic that we
Speaker 3: live in such a time and these are children. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm fifty years old, so I know I'm past the
Speaker 3: halfway point. Know I'm me and God are gonna be
Speaker 3: face to face one day soon. I mean, I hope
Speaker 3: he's previous me. I hope he's as pretty as me.
Speaker 3: Not pretty.
Speaker 2: But these are babies.
Speaker 3: We're worried about our and at our age, sixteen would
Speaker 3: be a grand kid. I got a kid at sixteen
Speaker 3: because I was a late bloomer, but sixteen will be
Speaker 3: a grand kid. We don't want to We're already old,
Speaker 3: worried about social security, medicare. You know, at fifty years old,
Speaker 3: every day you wake up there's a new ailment. You know,
Speaker 3: at this age, we may yawn and throw our back out,
Speaker 3: stretch too hard and catch a Charlie Hord. You know
Speaker 3: you don't need those right, Okay, I don't need those
Speaker 3: worries on top of my grains. Like you said, my
Speaker 3: grand baby at church at school, baby go to the
Speaker 3: corner market for me and get some milk and some bread,
Speaker 3: and they never come back because some lunatic has come
Speaker 3: up in here, just grown to the shot the place
Speaker 3: up and my baby was just collateral damage because they
Speaker 3: were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to really keep our eyes on these
Speaker 1: cases too, because you know the two the two standard
Speaker 1: ground cases in the in the recent media where the
Speaker 1: zimmern George Zimmerman and the Amount Aubrey Aubrey didn't work
Speaker 1: for them. You know, they they all got life sentences.
Speaker 1: But for George Zimmerman, he was acquitted of all crimes.
Speaker 2: Which around and still walking.
Speaker 1: Around, yeah, probably in his yellow vest.
Speaker 3: Being Carson is over this case for for Ralph y'all,
Speaker 3: So I hope that being and being Causon is usually
Speaker 3: the man to go to to get these civil cases done.
Speaker 3: You know, I know that the family should be should
Speaker 3: be paid compensated fantastically, but that still will, like you
Speaker 3: said about that will never change the fact that this man,
Speaker 3: who this young man will probably be damaged for the
Speaker 3: rest of his life with PTSD.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's crazy even the the you think of
Speaker 1: young kids with guns. That they just arrested two kids
Speaker 1: for that Alabama shooting that happened over the weekend at
Speaker 1: the sweet sixteen party, and and it was a massacre.
Speaker 1: That was like the best one news news media outlet
Speaker 1: put put that it was a massacre, and my god, wasn't.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, how does the sixteen and a seventeen
Speaker 1: year old get guns? So we're back to the gun control.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be there's gotta be a tighter way to
Speaker 1: keep the guns from the kids. And if they got
Speaker 1: them from the parents, there were two brothers, do we
Speaker 1: charge the parents?
Speaker 3: No, you go right there, Bobby there, you go right.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to start charging these peers. And I
Speaker 3: say that, and even though I know there is we
Speaker 3: have access to some weaponry. That weaponry, but and I say,
Speaker 3: and I'm saying that because what have you tauched your kids?
Speaker 3: You know you don't you don't touch this. I don't care.
Speaker 3: You start them at two up until twenty five. You
Speaker 3: don't come and you don't touch this. If you get angry,
Speaker 3: you come and tell me. But you don't touch some things,
Speaker 3: you know. I think that the garing styles have changed
Speaker 3: because these children are not afraid of their parents. In fact,
Speaker 3: they challenge their parents. I'm living there right now. They
Speaker 3: challenge their parents. We unfortunately were not. Unfortunately, we were
Speaker 3: afraid of our parents and not afraid to ask or
Speaker 3: not afraid to be around, but afraid to cross the
Speaker 3: land in a respectful way. There was some level of
Speaker 3: respect that we had as parents, as children to our parents.
Speaker 3: I don't think that these kids, this generation, has that.
Speaker 3: I think that they feel fearless, and they do shit
Speaker 3: that they make them fearless and it ends up tragic
Speaker 3: and they don't understand that you may die, but you
Speaker 3: break your mom and dad's heart, you break your siblings,
Speaker 3: your grandparents' spirit and heart because and I'm not blaming
Speaker 3: the kid, I'm blaming the situations of life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't. We definitely don't. My mother would
Speaker 1: just give you a look. Well, she would put her
Speaker 1: hands in assist and hold it down by her side.
Speaker 1: So nobody else could see it, and we knew you
Speaker 1: stepped your mind because there was the World bankings. You know,
Speaker 1: we did things a little bit differently. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we necessarily have to go back to the purporal
Speaker 1: punishment of when you and I grew up, but I
Speaker 1: think that there's probably a happy medium. You know, there
Speaker 1: has to be consequences. You know, I look at teachers.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this in past episodes. You know, we
Speaker 1: have to worry about the social emotional well being of
Speaker 1: a kids. Well, if a kid punches another kid in
Speaker 1: the face, he should get suspended. There has to be
Speaker 1: some sort of punishment so that doesn't do it again.
Speaker 1: But when you say, oh, just go back in and
Speaker 1: stay away from a little jimmy, pull little jimmy. Now
Speaker 1: is to sit over there, you know, wetness pants, hoping
Speaker 1: that the other one doesn't hit them again. You know,
Speaker 1: there's got to be some I don't know, we have
Speaker 1: to think about the way that they're raising the kids,
Speaker 1: because we're not doing it right. We're not doing it
Speaker 1: even we've talked about also not paying attention. Children have
Speaker 1: to be more engaged, They have to be aware of
Speaker 1: their surroundings. They all have an iPad or an iPhone
Speaker 1: in their face at all times. They text each other
Speaker 1: instead of just actually say hey, you want to go
Speaker 1: for lunch? You know, texting it's silly. We've gotta we've
Speaker 1: gotta do, got a little do a little bit better.
Speaker 1: Somebody has to sit back and and I'm guilty of
Speaker 1: it myself. I wanted my son to have more than
Speaker 1: I had, and I think I did too much because
Speaker 1: I didn't he didn't have to think about I want
Speaker 1: those pants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we're all on we're all guilty of that
Speaker 3: in our age demographics by because that was all of
Speaker 3: our mindset. I want, I want, I want my kid
Speaker 3: to have everything that I couldn't have. What we did
Speaker 3: realize was that we were entitling them and spoiling the
Speaker 3: hell out of them and damaging them. Because a lot
Speaker 3: of these children are damaged because they want instant gratification
Speaker 3: right now, right this moment. They don't want to work
Speaker 3: for it, They have no patience to wait for it.
Speaker 3: It is just out of control. And yeah, we can't
Speaker 3: just blame them. My daughter, my sixteen year old daughter,
Speaker 3: asked me yesterday, you don't even know anything about me?
Speaker 3: What is my favorite color? It changes from week to week.
Speaker 3: So I the last thing I remember it was a
Speaker 3: orange and purple. No, that's not it. What is my
Speaker 3: favorite food? That changes when we do. You can't fault
Speaker 3: the pearance for that, because these young kids change their
Speaker 3: minds from day to day, especially young girls. So I
Speaker 3: felt bad, but then I realized, like, girl, you changed.
Speaker 3: I didn't know you changed it. You didn't send me
Speaker 3: an email.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Because if you ask too many questions, they think you're
Speaker 1: grilling her. You know, Yeah, that's exactly it. So you know,
Speaker 1: so maybe she's telling she's reaching out in a different way.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's we have to listen to our kids,
Speaker 1: not exactly what they're saying, but they need more time
Speaker 1: with mom and dad, and we have to ask more questions,
Speaker 1: and we have to put more parameters. You know, if
Speaker 1: they're under eighteen, they still need things from you. So
Speaker 1: you can hold those things back.
Speaker 3: It's not easy in my house. In my house, they
Speaker 3: pass eighteen, they still need shit for me good, you know,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I mean I had a twelve year old at my
Speaker 1: son's age, and I'm like, Jesus, I'm still picking up
Speaker 1: your prescriptions.
Speaker 3: We want to send the prayers out to all the
Speaker 3: victims of these ladies shooting, even and they're still having Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: no mind you, mad shootings haven't stopped. They're still having
Speaker 3: mass shoot But to these personal ones, these accidentally going
Speaker 3: to the wrong homes, pulling up on the wrong driveway, Bobby,
Speaker 3: people are so bitter, so angry, so afraid.
Speaker 2: Because a lot of people are afraid. I don't think.
Speaker 3: That that eighty four year old man was afraid. I
Speaker 3: think that he knew exactly what he was doing. I
Speaker 3: don't think that the sixty five year old man in
Speaker 3: Upper State, New York was afraid. I think that they
Speaker 3: knew what they were doing, and they don't know. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to say that they said that they figured
Speaker 3: they could get away with him, but I don't think
Speaker 3: that it's their first time doing something like that. They
Speaker 3: just seem too comfortable with it.
Speaker 2: You don't go straight to shooting.
Speaker 1: Especially the sixty five year olds. I'm with you on
Speaker 1: that he could see them. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: he meant to kill them, but I certainly meant to
Speaker 1: scare them. Something that just popped in my mind is
Speaker 1: so eighty five and I'm thinking eighty five with a gun.
Speaker 1: If I'm telling my mom who's in her late seventies,
Speaker 1: that she really likely circle on the drain were driving.
Speaker 1: You know, if they get to a certain age and
Speaker 1: they need to start having they need to start to
Speaker 1: be retested and whatnot. Maybe we should be doing that
Speaker 1: with that's another gun control. After X age, you know,
Speaker 1: our eyesight starts to go and stuff after whatever age
Speaker 1: and mental acuity. I have people in my own family
Speaker 1: to two of my aunts and uncles, their brother and
Speaker 1: sister both have dementia. They should they have weapons? No,
Speaker 1: I don't think Maybe they shouldn't have weapons. Maybe we
Speaker 1: need to start pulling some of that stuff down.
Speaker 3: And what and what? What would this was a sixteen
Speaker 3: year old black boy and a twenty year old white girl.
Speaker 3: What Why wouldn't the warning shot have been enough? If
Speaker 3: he would have shut there the shot gun in the air,
Speaker 3: they would they would have pulled out and rolled away
Speaker 3: from there. If the man would have shot that gun
Speaker 3: through a window, his window, that boy would have ran
Speaker 3: off the port.
Speaker 2: That's what makes it like, is this were.
Speaker 3: You trying to do this?
Speaker 2: Did you want to do this?
Speaker 3: Because there's so many other ways, even in that crucial moment,
Speaker 3: I'm just want to scare you.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hurt you.
Speaker 3: Get off my porch, So shoot through the window, shoot
Speaker 3: up in the air, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, think of the girls and the cheerleaders. What were
Speaker 1: they doing. She ran back to the car, got inside,
Speaker 1: she lowered the windows, say I'm sorry, there's no standyard
Speaker 1: ground there. He came after. He was the aggressor and
Speaker 1: came after her. What was the point? And I think of,
Speaker 1: like my son, you raised some of this public is
Speaker 1: very sexist. But I always said, don't hit anybody. Don't
Speaker 1: hit a girl. Ever, Like he had to go after
Speaker 1: a little girl in a little costume that made him
Speaker 1: feel like what more of a man?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What was what was she doing that? He felt threatened?
Speaker 3: And with that and with that situation, he damn sure
Speaker 3: did wrong because if she had the time to go
Speaker 3: and get in her car and pulled up to his car,
Speaker 3: he had time to think about it or pull off
Speaker 3: with just he sat there. It's like I'm gonna do it?
Speaker 3: Is it is mind boggling. I'm going to ask everybody
Speaker 3: just to be safe. You don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Stay prayed up, if you pray to whoever you pray to,
Speaker 3: stay safe. And again, this episode I would like to
Speaker 3: be called self preservation is the first lot of nature.
Speaker 3: But how can you self preserve when you're a teenager.
Speaker 3: You're not supposed to have a weapon, You're not supposed
Speaker 3: you don't even you shouldn't even be thinking about dying
Speaker 3: at fifteen to sixteen. You should be thinking about the
Speaker 3: next dance, or the next girlfriend or boyfriend, or what
Speaker 3: snacks I'm gonna have. But what I'm gonna do with
Speaker 3: my friends this weekend, when we go to the mall
Speaker 3: or to the movies. None of that is even safe anymore,
Speaker 3: Bobby the word They always say, we're too old. No, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: y'all too young. Y'all don't know why we ever feel
Speaker 3: like to safely walk through a mall and shop, to
Speaker 3: safely hang out, to go to lunch with your girlfriends
Speaker 3: or your guy friends and play basketball on the basketball
Speaker 3: court for fear of anything going down, and you don't
Speaker 3: make it home to your family. It is, it is.
Speaker 3: It is a situation that I hate that we have
Speaker 3: to still talk about in twenty twenty three, And unfortunately,
Speaker 3: it looks like it's going backwards instead of forwards. I
Speaker 3: was never taught to walk backwards. I was only taught
Speaker 3: to walk on.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to look for back when we were kids,
Speaker 1: it was gang violence, right, So that's what you were
Speaker 1: afraid of. Your kids were going out with the gangs.
Speaker 1: These are gangs. These are adults that are coming after him.
Speaker 1: Like again, what the cheerleader is with that? Rodriguez, he
Speaker 1: was twenty five, He comes up, he shoots her. He
Speaker 1: knew enough to run away and go home. They arrested
Speaker 1: him as home he fled to see. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: he stood around and took its consequences. So and I
Speaker 1: even the sixty five year old guy that shot the
Speaker 1: girl in the wrong driveway, he shot the car as
Speaker 1: it was fleeing. He didn't come up and shoot it
Speaker 1: like look in her eyes. So I mean, talk about
Speaker 1: a coward. I don't know as a society. A for
Speaker 1: a while I took a reprieve from from the news.
Speaker 1: Only now I feel like I'm kind of out of
Speaker 1: it because it's so depressing. There's nothing. We're getting worse
Speaker 1: and worse.
Speaker 3: And those those are very valid points by because they
Speaker 3: can't use their mental illness. Because even the eighty four
Speaker 3: year old man Andrew Lester, his neighbor tried to help
Speaker 3: him clean up the damage that was done. So you
Speaker 3: can't say that you're afraid or you exactly and he
Speaker 3: ran away. If you try to clean it up, yes,
Speaker 3: if you try to clean it up, then you knew
Speaker 3: that you did wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if the guy was really so, if he
Speaker 1: really sought it, Let's even say he was mentally ill.
Speaker 1: Let's say he did have some sort of dementia, right,
Speaker 1: and he called the police. You would have left everything
Speaker 1: so that the police could see the state and see
Speaker 1: where he broke in or where he was doing whatever.
Speaker 1: But he didn't do that. He tried to hide everything,
Speaker 1: so he knew he did wrong. There was no dementia.
Speaker 1: I don't think there was. He was terrified for himself,
Speaker 1: not for the poor kid.
Speaker 3: The sad part is they have allowed this mental illness
Speaker 3: to get away for so long that everybody used it
Speaker 3: as a scapegoat, and it's just not working for everybody.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: Ladyesmen, I don't know what to tell y'all, but please
Speaker 3: be careful, be safe, be cautious, because we just aren't.
Speaker 3: We just don't know, but we have to watch this
Speaker 3: case unfold. And I hope that this case is a
Speaker 3: landmark breakthrough case. I hate that it happened to this
Speaker 3: young man, but me and Bobie talked earlier.
Speaker 2: This young man's life has a purpose, and this may
Speaker 2: have been purpose.
Speaker 3: God will make some changes hoping from this case, because
Speaker 3: it gets worse. When every time you think it's you're
Speaker 3: not gonna hear anything worse. Good God, two days later
Speaker 3: it shows up. So be safe, be cautious. Thank you
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Speaker 3: Love of God, Bobby Cliff. I had never seen my
Speaker 3: co host do a vacclap. He took his two hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty pound ass and did a backslip, and I.
Speaker 2: Was in print. Now, mind you.
Speaker 3: I thought I was gonna have to give a mouthful
Speaker 3: mouth off because.
Speaker 1: Because we forget, we forget that our minds we're still
Speaker 1: eighteen years old. And then all of a sudden your
Speaker 1: body catches up and you're like, oh shit, excuse me.
Speaker 3: I say, if you fall out now this laugh alone,
Speaker 3: you can do that. I can't pick your big ass up.
Speaker 3: I ain't no frame. But we have the.
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Speaker 3: Come and get your joy. Thank you guys for joining
Speaker 3: us here laughing, learn and here in laughing. We have
Speaker 3: the same model that will never change. Here and laughing
Speaker 3: that we are not trying to get you to change
Speaker 3: your mind. We are only trying to get you to
Speaker 3: use your mind, because the mind is a terrible thing
Speaker 3: to waste. If you independently think for yourself, you don't
Speaker 3: always won't always be agreed with, You might not always
Speaker 3: be liked, but you will love that you made a
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Speaker 3: the puppet strings. I cut those strings a long time ago.
Speaker 3: We appreciate you, Bobby Cliffin. I could not have done
Speaker 3: the show where I can say my mind is all
Speaker 3: over the place, but I appreciate you for your love,
Speaker 3: your support. I appreciate you, Bobby for coming on as
Speaker 3: a wonderful Irish woman and as white as you can
Speaker 3: get with your blond hair and your black glasses, always
Speaker 3: being fair and Bobby of every American that looked like you,
Speaker 3: thought like you, and treated people like you. God, I
Speaker 3: would love this country to live in and fightful.
Speaker 1: Oh God, bless you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: God, bless you, Bobby.
Speaker 3: Thank you for being a fair person and seeing people
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Speaker 3: but for who they are. We appreciate you here. Thank
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