Speaker 1: Which may may have led to the officer informare a
Speaker 1: listener that he himself was just listening to the Bent
Speaker 1: podcast in his patrol car. She did a big hard
Speaker 1: whip down with a rod and spun the hopper up,
Speaker 1: and I turned around and he had it pinned like
Speaker 1: a hitler must have in his upper lip. And then, um,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a sale bin that. That brings to
Speaker 1: mind one of my favorite hip hop songs, Pistol Grip Pump,
Speaker 1: which is on my lap at all times. Cops listen
Speaker 1: to this good morning to generate anglers, and welcome to Bent,
Speaker 1: the fishing podcast that really hates golf but has a
Speaker 1: hard time denying the similarities between it and angling. I'm Joe,
Speaker 1: Sir Melie, and I'm hating samac and I'm failing to
Speaker 1: like see the connection beyond people like feeling the need
Speaker 1: to wear various like logo wear in order to in
Speaker 1: like flex on the folks around him. That's a You're
Speaker 1: not wrong, that's that's correct. Uh yeah, but I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm leaning into the analogy a bit today because, um,
Speaker 1: of a few listener messages that I've gotten recently, one
Speaker 1: of which we're actually gonna touch on in the bent
Speaker 1: helpline later, but but the gist of them is this, Right,
Speaker 1: people often want to know what is the one rod
Speaker 1: and reel you need to do everything? And my my
Speaker 1: answer is always, um, you can have one rod and
Speaker 1: reel that will do a lot, but not everything. And
Speaker 1: that's sort of part of the golf tie in. Right. Conversely,
Speaker 1: whenever somebody looks in my garage at all my rods
Speaker 1: and says, like, what the hell do you need that
Speaker 1: many rods for, my answer is because you don't play
Speaker 1: team holes of golf with with nothing but a driver, right,
Speaker 1: you could, but are you going to be as effective? No,
Speaker 1: you're not. Yeah, but you don't do them all in
Speaker 1: one day. I get what you're saying, but I also
Speaker 1: like sympathize with the mindset of a beginner because you
Speaker 1: have to start somewhere, and like, if there's like one
Speaker 1: thing that you ought not to do when you get
Speaker 1: into a hobby is just like blow your entire budget
Speaker 1: for like next four years on a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: that like you're gonna use one time or whatever. Like
Speaker 1: I remember when I first started out, man, I bought
Speaker 1: like a seven weight steel head rod, ended up using
Speaker 1: it a lot, But like there was absolutely like a
Speaker 1: scenario before I could drive and I had that rod
Speaker 1: where it was like time to break out the steel
Speaker 1: head rod that I could have just rented from the shop.
Speaker 1: You're right, you're right, right, and and and I think
Speaker 1: that that is true, like everybody does have to start somewhere.
Speaker 1: But I think the broader thing I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: here is is as you grow as a fisherman, it's
Speaker 1: important to develop sort of like a sense of of
Speaker 1: like the system and the weights and measures that that
Speaker 1: that at play here to really be effective. And and
Speaker 1: for like a lot of non devout anglers, like dabblers,
Speaker 1: I think there's a sense that I just need a
Speaker 1: rod in reel some tenttown tests and I'm good, And
Speaker 1: you are good if you're okay always staying in the
Speaker 1: parameters that year right, Like you know, I look at
Speaker 1: it like, you know, if you just want to stay
Speaker 1: at the driving range that's where you're happiest, then cool,
Speaker 1: it's all it's all good, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I I get that like fishing and pocket water
Speaker 1: is like putting or like I don't know that you
Speaker 1: need the right club to be effective there. Yeah. Another
Speaker 1: I hate this metaphor so much it's funny because I
Speaker 1: hate golf anyway. Um. But another analogy I can draw though,
Speaker 1: is the idea of like a golf bag. And I'm
Speaker 1: not a crazy large amounth fisherman, but I have been
Speaker 1: lucky enough to fish with a few large amounth pros
Speaker 1: over the years. And those guys are straight up, man,
Speaker 1: they are golfing on the water right. They have all
Speaker 1: their clubs laid out and they chip here and put
Speaker 1: there and drive here. And I have adopted that method hardcore.
Speaker 1: It's like my one takeaway from fishing with some pro
Speaker 1: bass guys. It is extremely rare for me to go
Speaker 1: out fishing and only carry one rod. Three is more
Speaker 1: like it, because I want to have a Senko or
Speaker 1: whatever on one, and a poper on this one, a
Speaker 1: jerk bait on on this one, and they might all
Speaker 1: have different lines and leaders and actions, but for the
Speaker 1: sake of efficiency in covering water, I don't want to
Speaker 1: retie three times at one hole, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: I just want to cover it and move along. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like I get that out of a boat.
Speaker 1: But isn't that like a total pain in the ask
Speaker 1: to carry three rods. I mean, well, I'm phrasing like
Speaker 1: a question. What I mean is it's a total pain
Speaker 1: in the ask to carry three rods. It can be, right,
Speaker 1: not usually, like you said, on a boat, no issue
Speaker 1: at all, dude. Like i go out of my my
Speaker 1: little drift boat and I've got like thirteen rods jammed
Speaker 1: down the sides. Um And for most bank fishing, if
Speaker 1: you're just working a bank, it's not that big a
Speaker 1: deal either. But the only time I'll have one rod
Speaker 1: usually is if I'm waiting and I know I'll be
Speaker 1: in the water most of the time, like summer smally waiting,
Speaker 1: I put the bare essentials in one chest pack or
Speaker 1: hip pack or whatever and wade with one rod because
Speaker 1: I will be in the stream most of the time. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: I don't find it that that inconvenient. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like that's more my style. In fact, what I do
Speaker 1: a lot when I'm like trout fishing is I'll have
Speaker 1: one rod that's not exactly what I want for everything, right,
Speaker 1: But then I'll have like a couple of reels with
Speaker 1: like different spools on them, right, So I'll go out
Speaker 1: and I'll if I wanted to like trout fish, I'm
Speaker 1: eurim thing right, I'll have my like euro set up,
Speaker 1: but in my in my bag, I'll have like a
Speaker 1: wait forward floating all spooled up so that way, if
Speaker 1: it's too windy I want to fish an indicator, I
Speaker 1: can move over to that. Or if I see a
Speaker 1: little dry fly action it's not perfect for it, but
Speaker 1: it's like good enough. Um, but this all goes to, Uh,
Speaker 1: this is leading me to the point that not all
Speaker 1: of us can afford an arsenal of rods Joe. Not
Speaker 1: all of us are, at least of all you, I understand.
Speaker 1: I'm just look, look all I'm doing here. I'm just
Speaker 1: passing along an approach, right, It's just something to think about,
Speaker 1: That's all. I do. Believe that efficiency and maximum time
Speaker 1: with a line in the water catches the most fish, right,
Speaker 1: regardless of species, regardless of what you're doing. Um, I
Speaker 1: think you know efficiency and keeping lines in like you,
Speaker 1: you should train yourself to maximize that also, regardless of
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Speaker 1: what would your ideal outfit look like? For that ideal
Speaker 1: outfit for that, that's what's in my pack. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna go through the entire pack, but
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Speaker 1: It's one of those baits like you barely touch the line,
Speaker 1: like you just barely snap it and it darts all
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Speaker 1: anything in that like six and a half to I
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Speaker 1: something like that travel light, one little spool of eight
Speaker 1: pound floral leader, and it looks like he's packing out
Speaker 1: and elk with all the ship he has in his bag.
Speaker 1: Now it's you would think that, And there was a
Speaker 1: time in my life when that was true. Miles and
Speaker 1: I talked about that a long time ago. How like
Speaker 1: you're seventeen and you have more you know what it's like?
Speaker 1: Four fly two is poking out of your backpack and
Speaker 1: like one spinning rod in your belt and one in
Speaker 1: your hands. Now not anymore. I do like I do
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Speaker 1: thirteen that I promised I was going to send out
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Speaker 1: I'll have to be tacking that onto my order. Good
Speaker 1: good anyway, So let's we'll do this. Well, let's switch
Speaker 1: off conventional must haves for a minute, um and talk
Speaker 1: about flying must have, particularly if you tie your own bugs.
Speaker 1: I've always got bucktail on hand. Rabbit strips, those are
Speaker 1: a must, right, But if you ever tied with raccoon? Um?
Speaker 1: Have I ever died with raccoon? Um? You know? No,
Speaker 1: the clothes I've ever gotten to tying with raccoon? Is
Speaker 1: I used to tie with a dubbing from I think
Speaker 1: like an Australian possum. Okay, I'm sure that they're they're similar.
Speaker 1: Probably both only come out at night. Anyway, if you
Speaker 1: need some raccoon and guide. If you need some, perhaps
Speaker 1: our friend and guide Bart Land where it can help
Speaker 1: and he'll tell you where his supply came from in
Speaker 1: this week's Smooth Move segment. Why Why So, I'm very
Speaker 1: excited today for our Smooth Moves guests. Some of you
Speaker 1: might remember Tim landword of of Tight Lines uh Fly
Speaker 1: Fishing company out there in in Wisconsin. Um, he's not here,
Speaker 1: even though he's he's done several segments and and co
Speaker 1: hosted the show. We have we have his cousin to
Speaker 1: start by introducing. So we have his cousin Land Where.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to give you bart a few seconds
Speaker 1: to explain why you are the better land where? Why
Speaker 1: are you the better land where than Tim Land? Work? Well?
Speaker 1: Smarter for sure, okay, obviously better looking. I can vouch
Speaker 1: for that. You are a good looking man. Yeah. On
Speaker 1: a fishy level, I might be a little bit fisher
Speaker 1: than him. I'm not sure better keg stand you were
Speaker 1: Tim land work. He's got a problem. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: we won't we and dragging? Kidding? Of course I got
Speaker 1: to hang out with bart um the same time I
Speaker 1: hung out with him, and we were filming dost Boat
Speaker 1: season two up on the man Nominee River. Um, and
Speaker 1: you know we we I said, we had Tim on
Speaker 1: and he's always been like, man, you gotta call bart
Speaker 1: because if you need smooth moves like, he's got some
Speaker 1: up stories. I think that's exactly how he put it. So,
Speaker 1: um yeah, man, Just so I know how long Tim
Speaker 1: has been goting, how long you've been goting? How long
Speaker 1: have you been in the game? Uh the year twenty one?
Speaker 1: I think twenty one years? Okay, all right, So I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna give you the floor man. And and I've
Speaker 1: drank with both. I've drank with you in a garage,
Speaker 1: which was fun. It was like the one eight on
Speaker 1: the video shoot. We drank too much and then couldn't
Speaker 1: like we didn't. We were not as functional the next
Speaker 1: day as we should have been. Um, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you the floor. Dude, hit it hit us with
Speaker 1: a smooth move. The w t f moment from twenty
Speaker 1: one years guiding that sticks out the most, All right,
Speaker 1: sticks out the most. I've got a lot of stories,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to think of on that would be
Speaker 1: a little different. Yeah, And the one I came up
Speaker 1: with was a trip I took god Is, probably ten
Speaker 1: years ago with a couple who were an older couple
Speaker 1: from Chicago, very urban people love the idea of the outdoors,
Speaker 1: love the idea of nature, and they wanted to see
Speaker 1: that just didn't really experience it much or know anything about.
Speaker 1: They didn't know as much about it as it really is. Right,
Speaker 1: So they come up for the day and they want
Speaker 1: to see the most beautiful part of the river and
Speaker 1: they want to see all this great stuff and catch fish.
Speaker 1: So I set it up. We have a perfect where
Speaker 1: where is this Wisconsin? So I took him to a
Speaker 1: spot on the river that is not developed at all.
Speaker 1: There's no cabins. It dials up, you guys. It's a
Speaker 1: perfect like seventy eight degree day, no wind, perfect smallmouth weather,
Speaker 1: little humid. So we start off and everything is. They're
Speaker 1: enjoying the hell out of it. We've got perfect weather,
Speaker 1: we've got happy fish. We see a deer early. You know,
Speaker 1: everything's great, We're having the best time, and I'm literally
Speaker 1: looking for anything Flora fun and related I can show
Speaker 1: them to give him a piece of the great Northern experience. Right,
Speaker 1: is that because you questioned whether they'd actually be able
Speaker 1: to catch the fish? Yeah, you have that, And and
Speaker 1: they weren't stellar, but they were hard workers and we
Speaker 1: were having a great time and the super nice people
Speaker 1: and everything was Remember Caddy Shack, Remember the old Caddy
Speaker 1: shack that go golfing and everything is the greatest. And
Speaker 1: that's a peach hun and the husband life. That's who
Speaker 1: they reminded me of, right, because everything she did he
Speaker 1: would compliment her, and vice versa and ad nauseam. Right,
Speaker 1: but we're still having a great time. It's a lot
Speaker 1: nicer than the alter. So I'm enjoyed by samm Gladys. Right.
Speaker 1: So like midway through the morning, I'm a quarter of
Speaker 1: the way into the float and there's no one around.
Speaker 1: It's perfect day. And I started hearing a dog barking.
Speaker 1: So there's some bends coming in the river, and I
Speaker 1: figure we're gonna make a bend and we're gonna have
Speaker 1: someone with a canoe and their dog, or they're on
Speaker 1: the river hanging out. So we're talking, oh, somebody must
Speaker 1: be up here. We make this bend and I'm here
Speaker 1: in the barking intensifying, I can't see a dog, so
Speaker 1: I'm kind of now they're fishing. I'm watching river right
Speaker 1: and the river has come down. It's early August, mid
Speaker 1: August maybe, and the root wads on the base of
Speaker 1: the trees are kind of all exposed on the river bank,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I see the back end
Speaker 1: of a dog that's hung up in this root ball
Speaker 1: and barking its head off. So you're trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what the hell is going on right now. So
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, all right, something's wrong with this dog. Is
Speaker 1: he called as he hung up? Is he in distress?
Speaker 1: They're asking me questions that I can't answer, So I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, guys, check it out. We're gonna reel up
Speaker 1: and we're gonna roll over and see what's going on.
Speaker 1: And they go cool. So they reel up their stuff,
Speaker 1: and I start kind of pushing rolling over to this
Speaker 1: dog and as I'm approaching, he's just intensely barking under
Speaker 1: this tree, and I'm starting to question whether or not
Speaker 1: he's stuck. As we get over there, I'm close. Now
Speaker 1: he's not stuck. He's underneath this blowdown, and another dog
Speaker 1: appears on the bank. The second dog is a home
Speaker 1: with a big whip antenna on his neck. Well in Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: late July and early August, the bear hunters, they run
Speaker 1: their dogs. But what they found and we're interested in,
Speaker 1: was about to happen right in front of us. At
Speaker 1: about twenty I can't get away from it, and the
Speaker 1: one dog and the other dog dive in and they
Speaker 1: come out with a raccoon and proceed to eviscerated from us.
Speaker 1: So this is a two minute not even this is
Speaker 1: probably forty seconds, but it feels like an hour and
Speaker 1: a half. It's blood hair, snarling, squealing, screaming, and they stop.
Speaker 1: One of them looks over at me and starts where
Speaker 1: I can his tail kind of comes up, smells the boat.
Speaker 1: The other one's happy as a clam. Meanwhile, there's a
Speaker 1: raccoon in its death throws rolling in the shallows, and
Speaker 1: every time it comes up it's making noise and going
Speaker 1: back up is dying. And at this moment, what what
Speaker 1: if you had to imitate this noise. What would it be.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that, come on, because think are a
Speaker 1: really nasty, bad noise. So I'm just watching what's unfolding
Speaker 1: in front of me, and I'm like, okay, dogs and
Speaker 1: they bounce away, they're gone, and here's this raccoon dying
Speaker 1: yet the water's got blood in it. And then I
Speaker 1: realized I got people with me, and I look up
Speaker 1: and they are pale, speechless. The wife's mouth is a gape, obviously,
Speaker 1: and I don't even what the hell do you say
Speaker 1: to him? And I go, uh, for lunch, that's what
Speaker 1: you know, you guys, ready for a sandwich. So I'm like, well, um,
Speaker 1: that's the reality of nature. Some ship you say, you
Speaker 1: don't know what to say a right? So as I
Speaker 1: started to bite my oars in to pull off the
Speaker 1: bank and leave the situation, the woman goes, is that
Speaker 1: another one? And I look up on the bank. There
Speaker 1: was like four little rulings that were with mom and
Speaker 1: they must all been in there, and the dogs killed
Speaker 1: them all. It was awful and I'm not messing around you, guys.
Speaker 1: It was like lunchtime right there. Lunch brots right here, guys,
Speaker 1: let's go out of sand much the reality of nature, folks, Well,
Speaker 1: it is the reality of nature, except that the dogs
Speaker 1: weren't really like wild It wasn't like wild animal. Well
Speaker 1: it was kind of manufactured, you know. So how so
Speaker 1: did they eat their lunch or just have like one
Speaker 1: bite or just sort of poke around the tuna sandwich
Speaker 1: or it was the rest of the day it was quiet.
Speaker 1: People were have been concerned with what they'd experienced. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I do have the backup end of
Speaker 1: that stories. Right out of lunch, we came out and
Speaker 1: we got going again, and the weather's nice, and that
Speaker 1: raccoon is dead along behind us, and the fishing actually
Speaker 1: got pretty damn good. Right, Yeah, things were hungry. So
Speaker 1: we were fishing hopper patterns, first of all, mouth and
Speaker 1: they were crushing, and the lady was in the front
Speaker 1: of the boat and she could not hook fish. And
Speaker 1: her husband, who was so flattering to her all day,
Speaker 1: it became an annoyance to her because he was, oh,
Speaker 1: you get him next time, and he kept hooking up.
Speaker 1: And at one point, and I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was because the raccoon had a little miffed and upset
Speaker 1: and everything, but she had a fish come up after
Speaker 1: about the tenth miss fish, and she did a big
Speaker 1: hard whip down with a rod and spun the hopper
Speaker 1: up and I heard him squirrel behind me, and I
Speaker 1: turned around and he had it pinned like a Hitler
Speaker 1: mustache in his upper lip. So I just turned around
Speaker 1: before he could do anything. He said, don't wait, and
Speaker 1: I just put my hand in his face and took
Speaker 1: it out right away. Wow, man, that was a two.
Speaker 1: That was a two fur right there. Yeah. Do you
Speaker 1: know what he reminds me? A man? Like One of
Speaker 1: the many times I've ever seen like dog led destruction
Speaker 1: like that was it was like early spring, and uh,
Speaker 1: we were doing like some like yard work around my
Speaker 1: house and my mother is in like this like front
Speaker 1: garden that we have. There's like me, my dad. You know,
Speaker 1: we're like in bad because my brother and my mom
Speaker 1: they were in front. Comes around all exide, you know,
Speaker 1: the dogs running around, and she comes out, come, look, come, look,
Speaker 1: there are baby rabbits. By the time we got there
Speaker 1: in her absence, the dog went right over and just
Speaker 1: destroyed the entire net. Had similar things happen, and also
Speaker 1: like do you know, like if a baby rabbit is
Speaker 1: sick or something I think like the mom will actually
Speaker 1: eat it to get rid of it. I did not
Speaker 1: know that. Like I've had baby rabbits in the yard,
Speaker 1: and like there'd be like one all of a sudden
Speaker 1: one day, like one's not there and it's just like
Speaker 1: eaten in half, but like nibbles, tiny nibbles. It was
Speaker 1: the rabbits. Rabbits. You might want to qualify that one
Speaker 1: a little. This ship just got all really weird, ben listeners,
Speaker 1: do mother rabbits eat their babies if one of them
Speaker 1: is sick? And like can't? I don't. I don't know anyway,
Speaker 1: did those people come back? They happen back? Good? Do
Speaker 1: they do? They? Are they on guard now for the nature?
Speaker 1: Do they still love the nature as much as they
Speaker 1: thought they did? I think they understand nature a little
Speaker 1: bit more so. How do you like that one? Meat
Speaker 1: eaters this role? That's what that was? Anyway? Huge thanks
Speaker 1: to Bart for sharing that one. He's just out there
Speaker 1: hammering small jaws and scaring old people for life. So well,
Speaker 1: in case you haven't had enough carnage, sit back and
Speaker 1: listen to Joe and I tear each other to pieces
Speaker 1: in the Virtual Raptor Paddock. We like to call fish
Speaker 1: news fish news. That escalated quickly. So here's a little
Speaker 1: fun shout out caveat being. We're gonna exclude names and
Speaker 1: states as a matter of protection, which and this is
Speaker 1: the first on Ben, but it's all gonna make sense
Speaker 1: because we need not call anyone out for fear of
Speaker 1: judgment nor getting anyone in trouble. And I would like
Speaker 1: to point out that I I whatever Joe was about
Speaker 1: to like drop on y'all. I'm not proving to it now.
Speaker 1: This came through Instagram, but I got I got this
Speaker 1: note from a listener on Instagram who told me he
Speaker 1: may or may not have gotten pulled over recently on
Speaker 1: his way home from a fishing trip, and he may
Speaker 1: or may not have have recently partaken uh in the
Speaker 1: consumption of we'll say CBD products if you catch what's
Speaker 1: swirling around in my bond water. And since we're not
Speaker 1: talking about the gummies here, there may or may not
Speaker 1: have been a noticeable odor in his vehicle which the
Speaker 1: officer that pulled him over smelled. Anyway, the officer may
Speaker 1: or may not have noticed the fishing gear in the car,
Speaker 1: which may or may not have quickly morphed the convo
Speaker 1: from CBD products to local fishing, which may may have
Speaker 1: led to the officer in form are a listener that
Speaker 1: he himself was just listening to the Bent podcast in
Speaker 1: his patrol car. Cops listen to this, maybe this could
Speaker 1: be a hypothetical situation. All of this may have led
Speaker 1: to our dear listener getting off the hook. So what
Speaker 1: he asked me to do was shout out the officer
Speaker 1: by name, which I will not. Like, No, that isn't
Speaker 1: going to happen. I'm not even saying he really exists.
Speaker 1: But if he does, officer, you're cool, and it just
Speaker 1: goes to show you, um Bent fishing or like PBA
Speaker 1: cards sometimes. So that story, I I enjoyed that story.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. I can't believe
Speaker 1: like police officers listened to this show like that is
Speaker 1: just like one. I don't know why. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess it makes as much sense as anybody fish, dude.
Speaker 1: I know it would be like, you know, like I
Speaker 1: would be equally surprised if like a doctor or like
Speaker 1: a a fireman, or like just just somebody. But you know,
Speaker 1: it seems like once you have like a I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's just something about a police officer listening to this
Speaker 1: that just seems like I think. I think it's because
Speaker 1: the whole degenerate angler thing, because like cops are supposed
Speaker 1: to be like very generate, well put, well put anyway, listen,
Speaker 1: no judgment for either party. Uh. If this hypothetical officer
Speaker 1: is listening and wanted to, I don't know, send some
Speaker 1: p BA cards since you've kind of been shouted out,
Speaker 1: that would be cool anyway. Uh, yeah, I won't hold
Speaker 1: out hope for that. So let's ufore we move on,
Speaker 1: let's knock out conservation minutes real quick here. Um, here's
Speaker 1: what I got. Okay, Cross Louisiana scientists are finding non
Speaker 1: lethal ways to collect information about spotted and alligator gar
Speaker 1: tro Yeah, to assess the overall health of floodplains and habitats.
Speaker 1: The guard provides samples for isotope analysis. However, historically collecting
Speaker 1: those has been lethal teams who relied on muscled issue
Speaker 1: and stomach contents. Interesting. Man, Interesting. I'm about to talk
Speaker 1: later where I guess my lead off. I'm going to
Speaker 1: talk about a non leafal uh science based fishing thing
Speaker 1: thing right anyway, Sorry, so I didn't, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: So now these research teams from Austin, Texas and Nickel
Speaker 1: State University have devised a way to gather the same
Speaker 1: info with just small fin clips, which means more healthy
Speaker 1: gar to eat your carp chunks or um for someone
Speaker 1: to just shoot in the head with an arrow and
Speaker 1: collect zero data. Either way, more guard for everybody. So
Speaker 1: for my conservation minutes, um, we are going to talk
Speaker 1: about not live fish, but dead fish. A fish kill
Speaker 1: in Mobile, Alabama has been reported. Is it mobile or mobile?
Speaker 1: I've heard it said both ways. I say, is my
Speaker 1: leg I always mobile? But then somebody from there is
Speaker 1: gonna be like it's mobile, you know, like you can't win,
Speaker 1: you can't win people us Well, the red drum are
Speaker 1: stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues again anyway.
Speaker 1: In Mobile, Alabama, a large fish kill was reported. A
Speaker 1: video shot by charter boat captain Blake Crap Mike Mikailski
Speaker 1: Milk I'm gonna go with Mikaelski showed hundreds of dead
Speaker 1: red drum along a tideline in the mouth of Mobile Bay,
Speaker 1: heading towards Sand Island Lighthouse. UH though an immediate cause
Speaker 1: is not clear, scientists aren't particularly worried about long term impacts,
Speaker 1: as the incident seems to be relatively isolated. The source
Speaker 1: of the kill is not clear, as a likely cause
Speaker 1: had already dissipated by the time scientists got to the scene. Um,
Speaker 1: this fish kill is unique in that most of the time,
Speaker 1: fish kills are only detected as fish wish up on shore.
Speaker 1: This one, however, was discovered in open water. Anyhow, if
Speaker 1: you have any information on this, go ahead and uh
Speaker 1: talk to uh some fascinating Alabama I know they. I
Speaker 1: know they recently had a nasty cold swing down there,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it was long enough like the
Speaker 1: one last year in Texas to to do that. So
Speaker 1: who knows. Anyway, Alright, minutes have been conserved now for
Speaker 1: the blood baths. Remember this is a competition. Hayden and
Speaker 1: I do not know which main story the other fellows
Speaker 1: bringing to the table. At the end, our audio engineer Phil,
Speaker 1: we'll take a fin clip from each of us to
Speaker 1: determine which guy spent more than ten minutes looking for
Speaker 1: his story. Uh, as you've already pointed out, it's your
Speaker 1: lead man, So what do you got? Okay, So today
Speaker 1: on Fish News, I'm going to talk about something I'm
Speaker 1: totally qualified to share my thoughts and report on neuroscience.
Speaker 1: Oh good, Yeah, anyway, this comes to us from interesting
Speaker 1: engineering dot Com, as well as a press release from
Speaker 1: USC and that's University of Southern California. To that, researchers
Speaker 1: at USC have for the first time observed memories forming
Speaker 1: in a living animal. And guess what kind of animal
Speaker 1: that was? Joe, h it was? I know because I
Speaker 1: almost grabbed this. It's like a zebra h sounds a fish.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to, like tell him the whole why.
Speaker 1: I just told him it's a zebra fish. That's what
Speaker 1: they always do. It's for the banner, Joe. Anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a fish, because this is a fishing podcast
Speaker 1: and this is fish news, and as Joe pointed out,
Speaker 1: as a zebra fish. Anyway, Yeah, scientists capture the first
Speaker 1: ever snapshot at for memory being formed in a living
Speaker 1: animal by harassing larval zebrafish with laser beams. But before
Speaker 1: you get to that, let's talk about zebrafish as model organisms. Uy,
Speaker 1: tank fish. I'll tell you that they're very boring and
Speaker 1: they fade. The stripes fade. It's like then it's just
Speaker 1: like a minnow, you know. Yeah, Well, anyway, a model organism,
Speaker 1: not to be just totally derailed by Joe's feelings on
Speaker 1: zebra fish's tank. Fish UH is a non human species
Speaker 1: study to understand particular biological phenomena, with the expectation that
Speaker 1: discoveries made in the model organism will provide insight into
Speaker 1: the workings of other organisms. Zebrafish happen to make particularly
Speaker 1: good model organisms. I think that's like my fifth particularly
Speaker 1: in this UH episode of fish News. Anyway, being that
Speaker 1: they're you know, the zebra fish is easily modifiable, they
Speaker 1: develop outside the womb, which is useful in observing that
Speaker 1: stage of organism development, and they breed more prolifically than
Speaker 1: like mice, for example, So there's a lot of them
Speaker 1: in there, you know. Anyway. Uh. The other thing about
Speaker 1: them is they're basically see through, which makes them particularly
Speaker 1: that's number six, useful for making observations of their on
Speaker 1: their vascular and nervous systems. Oh, this is great. This
Speaker 1: particular story is rooted in the ladder. Dude, I was
Speaker 1: writing horribly this week, Okay, onto harassing GMO zebrafish with
Speaker 1: laser beams, scientists at USC you wanted to learn and
Speaker 1: about the ways memories were formed and what physiological changes
Speaker 1: occurred during that process. What they did was they exposed
Speaker 1: a twelve day old zebrafish to a light source, which
Speaker 1: is a fancy way of saying they turned on a light.
Speaker 1: Then they heated the little zebra fish up with an
Speaker 1: infrared laser, which the little fish found uncomfortable, at which
Speaker 1: point they would try to swim away to avoid the laser.
Speaker 1: The scientists trained the fish for five hours until the
Speaker 1: fish had learned that when the light comes on, the
Speaker 1: laser beam is closed behind it. Eventually, the fish would
Speaker 1: shake their little tails when the light came on, meaning
Speaker 1: they knew the laser beam was coming, meaning that they learned,
Speaker 1: meaning that they developed a memory. Uh uh okay uh.
Speaker 1: This was documented importantly with a special way of imaging
Speaker 1: their brains. A problem with this kind of like micro imaging.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the real term is, obviously, like
Speaker 1: my my comment about this being something I'm well versed
Speaker 1: into the top of news was made in jest, but anyway,
Speaker 1: the problem with this type of imagery is that the
Speaker 1: scientists would often kill the fish with the photons used
Speaker 1: to generate it um. Using a special microscope, they were
Speaker 1: able to observe live fish, which was previously impossible. You
Speaker 1: you pretty much had like one before or after. Right,
Speaker 1: it was like here's the fish and was alive, here's
Speaker 1: the fish being dead. Um. Now you can have like
Speaker 1: a like a a linear before and after progression. And
Speaker 1: actually thinking about it, probably what you had was you
Speaker 1: had fish that were exposed to this thing, and we're
Speaker 1: not exposed to this thing, and like not being the
Speaker 1: same fish. One live fish, one dead fish, and you
Speaker 1: try to parse the difference anyhow. Uh. Using that special
Speaker 1: microscope and looking at living zebra fish and their little
Speaker 1: fish brain, scientists discovered something interesting that instead of a
Speaker 1: synaps is being strengthened during the making of the memory,
Speaker 1: what actually happened is that some synapsis is, some synapsi
Speaker 1: snaps and snapsis. As a some disappeared while others were
Speaker 1: generated elsewhere in the brain, leaving scientists to a completely
Speaker 1: new understanding of how a memory is formed. For the
Speaker 1: last forty years, and this is a quote, for the
Speaker 1: last forty years, the common wisdom was that you learned
Speaker 1: by changing the strength of synapsis is snapses but it's
Speaker 1: just synapses. I know, man, I know, it's just a
Speaker 1: tough word. Man, sit down and let me finish the
Speaker 1: new story. But that's not what we found in this case,
Speaker 1: said Carl Kesselman, a computer scientist at us cry USCRBY.
Speaker 1: I don't know either, Uh, thanks Joe. Anyhow, scientists think
Speaker 1: this research could mean big progression in uh, in the
Speaker 1: understanding of things like PTSD and why uh and why
Speaker 1: those unpleasant associative memories seem so strong? So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a very cool study and it's very
Speaker 1: cool technology, but I think I'm gonna I have no
Speaker 1: choice but to strip it down to a more like
Speaker 1: fishing base level. I think, um, what, Well, what this proves,
Speaker 1: right is that fish have memories. And we all kind
Speaker 1: of knew that, right, but I mean, there it is
Speaker 1: right in front of you. I mean, this study literally
Speaker 1: watched a memory form in tiny fish. So like everybody
Speaker 1: gets hung up on conditioning and pressure and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're all chasing these things with these ted little brains
Speaker 1: and yeah, but I mean there's sort of proof in
Speaker 1: the pudding that, um, you know, fish are are are
Speaker 1: smarter than we think. And what I looked at this
Speaker 1: story briefly. I didn't grab it, thank god, because we
Speaker 1: would have crossed over. But um, what came to mind
Speaker 1: was literally just this past weekend, I took my son
Speaker 1: out fishing for a little while, and there was this
Speaker 1: pond that I found in this park where I was
Speaker 1: looking for mushrooms last spring. Did not know it existed, right,
Speaker 1: And I just kind of like tucked it away in
Speaker 1: the back of my mind. And it's a cheesy little
Speaker 1: pond with benches and stuff around it, and I just
Speaker 1: rolled in there with like a bunch of worms and
Speaker 1: and bobbers for him and dude. When I walked up
Speaker 1: to that water and looked in, I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, there are like thousands of the biggest dinner
Speaker 1: plate bluegills I have ever seen in my life swimming
Speaker 1: around these shallows, and this is going to be an
Speaker 1: absolute slaughter. And every single bit of worm that went
Speaker 1: in that water, they would rush it, stare at it,
Speaker 1: and turn around and swim away. Bluegills we're talking about here,
Speaker 1: which tells me these fish get the living ship pounded
Speaker 1: out of them, like they are too exposed. And too
Speaker 1: many people roll up to this tiny little park pond
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, like to get one to eat, I
Speaker 1: had to like take the bobber off and like fly
Speaker 1: cast with two pound tests and like make sure the
Speaker 1: hook was hidden. And it was completely no fun for
Speaker 1: my son because he just wants to catch the bomber
Speaker 1: and have it go under. But point being like those
Speaker 1: fish have learned something and retain something, So if nothing else,
Speaker 1: this story proves that fish do have memories of the
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Speaker 1: have one unheard message. Hey Joe, Hey Hayden, just figured
Speaker 1: i'd give you a call. I've got a little bone
Speaker 1: to pick with you two, and I'm actually speaking for
Speaker 1: Set as well. We do not catch, just just time
Speaker 1: to drink a little wall eye here. We're catching mainly giants.
Speaker 1: Like last year in Fort pac Man we caught when
Speaker 1: I was purt near twelve pounds. Anyways, screw you guys,
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Speaker 1: We actually have um man. There's a lot of common
Speaker 1: threads between our stories today, UH, mostly that they are
Speaker 1: dealing with uh small fish and technology that neither you
Speaker 1: or I truly understand. But I'm gonna go with anyway
Speaker 1: because I found this interesting. Um. I think we all
Speaker 1: pretty much know what radio tagging or acoustic tagging is. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's pretty common in fisheries research these days, but much
Speaker 1: of it is focused on larger Well, okay for those
Speaker 1: of us that doesn't need a quick version. You implant
Speaker 1: a a tag that emits a signal on either the
Speaker 1: inside or outside of a fish, and that that transmits
Speaker 1: data about where the fish swims and how deep it
Speaker 1: dives and all that good stuff back to a satellite
Speaker 1: or whatever, and then we collect the data on our
Speaker 1: lapity topities. Uh. Most notably, you can you can, actually
Speaker 1: anybody can hop online and track great white sharks all
Speaker 1: over the world that have been tagged. Um, do it
Speaker 1: every time I go swimming. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: look first exactly. Uh. I remember a long time ago
Speaker 1: we reported on how there was a sports book being
Speaker 1: created where you could like bet on where the sharks
Speaker 1: would pop up. Anyway, forget about the great whites, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about little itty bitty salmon. A team
Speaker 1: from the Pacific Northwest National laboratory has developed acoustic tags
Speaker 1: smaller than a grain of rice, which is pretty impressive,
Speaker 1: and they've been implanting them in juvenile chinook salmon throughout
Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest. I love like grain of rice as
Speaker 1: a standard unit of measuring. Yeah, but very expensive Bosmati
Speaker 1: ship you get in whole foods. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: long grain alright, Seroni is delicious anyway. Uh, So there's
Speaker 1: a very specific purpose for this um. And then similar
Speaker 1: to the research in your story, right, this can be
Speaker 1: useful all over the world. It's not, it's not focused
Speaker 1: just on this one thing. But the Juvenile Salmon Acoustic
Speaker 1: Telemetry System collects the data from these tags to study
Speaker 1: how juvenile salmon running back down stream to the ocean
Speaker 1: modify their behavior as they approach a dam, and then
Speaker 1: how they navigate through those dams. So praer the story
Speaker 1: from op b dot org. Uh. Juvenile salmon generally have
Speaker 1: four options where they encounter or damn. Right, they can
Speaker 1: use the specially designed juvenile Fish Bypass system in place
Speaker 1: on dams throughout the Pacific Northwest. They can run the
Speaker 1: gauntlet and go right through the turbines. They can plummet
Speaker 1: over the spill way or go over the less harsh
Speaker 1: surface spill way, and that last one there, as I understand,
Speaker 1: it means that the water is spilling, if this makes sense,
Speaker 1: at the same surface level as the water behind it
Speaker 1: versus the regular spill way, where the fish would sort
Speaker 1: of have to like fall down a few flights of
Speaker 1: stairs and then get spit out the other side. It's
Speaker 1: like jumping off a cliff or falling down an escalator
Speaker 1: and then falling off a slightly shorter cliff. So those
Speaker 1: are kind of the difference. It's like one shot or
Speaker 1: a little torture on the way. Anyway, It goes without
Speaker 1: saying that the information on how the majority of these
Speaker 1: fish are getting through the dam is valuable. As the
Speaker 1: story points out, collecting this kind of data to prove,
Speaker 1: you know, or disprove different hypothesis without acoustic tags would
Speaker 1: take a very long time to be very costly. They
Speaker 1: note that these tags can be implanted in baby salmon
Speaker 1: very quickly with little stress, in most cases, with just
Speaker 1: one or two suitures. So as the fish approached the damn,
Speaker 1: scientists collect information on um where the fish are swimming,
Speaker 1: how long it takes them to pass through the dam,
Speaker 1: which route they're following, and if they survive. So I'm
Speaker 1: curious any guests from you on on which of those
Speaker 1: options the fish take most of the time through the dam,
Speaker 1: whether it be the built in salmon bypass, the uh
Speaker 1: steep fall, or the short tumultuous fall or right through
Speaker 1: the turbines UM six to seventy maybe of like the
Speaker 1: young salmon pass over the tops of damns through surface spills.
Speaker 1: What did you just google that? Because that's like the
Speaker 1: next thing that I'm going to say. You just cheat
Speaker 1: it somehow because you're a dick. Yes, that's for ruining
Speaker 1: my guests earlier, Joe. So far, the studies have found
Speaker 1: the young salmon pass over the tops through the surface spills,
Speaker 1: meaning the spillway that's spilling from the same level as
Speaker 1: the water behind it. UM. So the direct dive off
Speaker 1: the cliff instead of falling down some stairs first is
Speaker 1: the main way. And while that sounds harsh, the acoustic
Speaker 1: tags are also proving that most of those salmon survived
Speaker 1: that drop, they are doing well on the other side.
Speaker 1: So if you think about this UM, that means in
Speaker 1: this case less than half of the fish are using
Speaker 1: the special bypass hamster mays put in place for them
Speaker 1: to use, which I suppose begs the question of of
Speaker 1: do you actually need those or do you just top
Speaker 1: spill more? Um, there's no answer right now, but these
Speaker 1: are the kinds of questions the study hopes to answer
Speaker 1: and apply to damns the world over for all different
Speaker 1: species of fish. Damn, that's a good news story, Joe, Damn,
Speaker 1: is it not? M hm? You know what, like my
Speaker 1: favorite but oft unheralded version of of fish transportation is
Speaker 1: what is that? I'm a fan of the salmon cannon. Man,
Speaker 1: you ever see that the salmon cannon? Yeah, I've seen
Speaker 1: the salmon cannon. Salmon cannon is pretty good. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you guys don't know what like the salmon cannon is.
Speaker 1: Basically it's like I don't know, actually like the actual
Speaker 1: like prevalence of biologists transporting salmon in that way. But
Speaker 1: it's basically like they load it's like a man gun.
Speaker 1: They just swim in And no, that's not quite like that.
Speaker 1: The funnier the biologist load these uh you know, these
Speaker 1: salmon up into what appears to be like flexible piping,
Speaker 1: and like they kind of go through this vacuum system.
Speaker 1: And they even like have videos of these things being
Speaker 1: backlet where you can see like just this perfect silhouette
Speaker 1: of a salmon like snaking through this like large rubber pipe. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: it takes them from one spot, puts them in another spot.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you have you ever seen
Speaker 1: like those videos of that being slight spliced to like
Speaker 1: somebody getting hit in the hitting the side of the
Speaker 1: head with an Asian carp. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's TikTok just got all over that. You know,
Speaker 1: the technology out there to move salmon. I appreciate it
Speaker 1: very much, whether it be the salmon cannon or like
Speaker 1: building better damns if that's really a thing. And but
Speaker 1: it's like, man, we can get all these people together
Speaker 1: to do that, Like, can can Pennsylvania get enough volunteers
Speaker 1: to float stock instead of just dumping them off the bridge?
Speaker 1: Like can we just get like a couple like retired
Speaker 1: kids to just float stocks and trouts so they're in
Speaker 1: the hole. I remember when I was a kid. Anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: Phil and I the science guy. He's got some picks
Speaker 1: this week. Zebra fish that think or um grains of
Speaker 1: rice Serrouni stuffed in juvenile Salmon. We're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: hear from Phil. We're gonna get his judgment and then um,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a sale bin. That that brings to
Speaker 1: mind one of my favorite hip hop songs, Pistol Grip Pump,
Speaker 1: which is on my lap at all times. Joe. This
Speaker 1: week on The Winner, that's right, Phil is h Phills
Speaker 1: down working in Texas. So I'm editing the podcast this
Speaker 1: week and there's not a damn thing anybody can do
Speaker 1: about it. Why did you put the hand to pay?
Speaker 1: You don't know what I'm getting? Man? What you didn't
Speaker 1: have to be so hurtful with me? So angry? All right?
Speaker 1: This week in the sale Bin, we uh we have
Speaker 1: a doozy and you know you know what else? Man?
Speaker 1: I I believe this is actually the first ever sale
Speaker 1: band that I'm leading off made could surely remember, might
Speaker 1: be yeah? Anyhow, This one was submitted by listen ner Derek,
Speaker 1: and we're not going to use his last name here
Speaker 1: because I don't want the guy who posted the listing
Speaker 1: he submitted like like tracking him down. Well, if you're yeah,
Speaker 1: and if you're wondering why that would even be a thing.
Speaker 1: Just hang on, hang tight, because you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: find out. We're gonna get there in a second. So
Speaker 1: this is either criminal or the Listers easily the most
Speaker 1: degenerate angler of the degenerate anglers. And this is very
Speaker 1: little to do with the items being sold and more
Speaker 1: with the items that happened to be in the picture
Speaker 1: attached to the listing. Yeah, yeah, like you said, right,
Speaker 1: this is either a degenerate fly tire or a degenerate
Speaker 1: who robbed a fly tire at gunpoint and is now
Speaker 1: trying to flip based stash um of stolen materials. The
Speaker 1: broader point here is sometimes it's not even the thing,
Speaker 1: it's the surroundings in the photo anyway, why at gunpoint
Speaker 1: you ask, Well, we're gonna get to that, but first,
Speaker 1: let's let's just tell him about the rest of the
Speaker 1: photo before we get to those juicy bits. Okay, So
Speaker 1: the photo is like, I don't even know how this
Speaker 1: was staged. First off, it's a photo fly time material,
Speaker 1: that's what the dude is selling. And it's kind of
Speaker 1: spread out on a bed, but not just any bed,
Speaker 1: like a dirty mattress with a single stained fitted sheet
Speaker 1: on it. The mattress is on the floor, like you
Speaker 1: remember that Joe, You remember that like gross stoner buddy
Speaker 1: in college who would trash all around his room and
Speaker 1: just got that just had that grosty mattress on the floor. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that guy exactly exactly. And man, yeah, it has
Speaker 1: all the hallmarks of stonerism because if you look around
Speaker 1: the peripheries of the photo, um, you've got like all
Speaker 1: the usual suspects. Okay, is dirty laundry. It is an
Speaker 1: extremely dirty floor, like if you walked on it barefoot,
Speaker 1: like it would be disgusting. Um, there's outside furniture inside
Speaker 1: that's always a big one. Yeah you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like if the Walmart lawn chair is also the TV
Speaker 1: chair you know, um, big gulp, big gulp on the nightstand.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, oh, big gulps. Huh one of the never
Speaker 1: and I would say it's it's full of like cigarette ash,
Speaker 1: except for the fact that there's like an ash tray
Speaker 1: on the decrepit old coffee table there, right, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know there was mountain dew in that anyway, Yes,
Speaker 1: we got the ashtray on the old coffee table. Snack
Speaker 1: Rappers the whole deal. Um. I mean it's your stoner
Speaker 1: buddy Dave's house, who always had enough money to like,
Speaker 1: you know, just fund his hobbies, but no full vocation,
Speaker 1: you know what his hobbies. Yeah, except it's even worse
Speaker 1: than that, because when your buddy in college might have
Speaker 1: just been stoned out of his mind. Uh, this guy
Speaker 1: seems to be just regular out of his mind or
Speaker 1: perhaps criminally out of his mind. And Joe, why do
Speaker 1: we think that, man? Because because right there in frame
Speaker 1: and by the way, we're gonna post this on Instagram,
Speaker 1: but this this was totally cropable, Like this didn't have
Speaker 1: to happen. You could have cropped in on the materials
Speaker 1: for sale. Um, but I don't know why he didn't
Speaker 1: just crop this all together. Anyway, Right there in the
Speaker 1: frame is what appears to be like a straight up
Speaker 1: fucking sawed off shotgun, like legit as sawed off shotgun
Speaker 1: that looks like rusty and weathered. It's weird, dude. I
Speaker 1: know you can buy like pistol grip pumps that have
Speaker 1: enough barrel length to be legal, but uh, in my
Speaker 1: semi expert opinion, is someone who has messed around with
Speaker 1: like a lot of shotguns in my life. This is
Speaker 1: not that. In the words of UFC President Dana White,
Speaker 1: that's illegal. Yeah, indeed it is. I'm gonna back you
Speaker 1: up on that. Uh. Look, the listing isn't really that
Speaker 1: remarkable outside from the excellent photos. It just says fly
Speaker 1: tying twelve hundred dollars. I mean that's kind of remarkable
Speaker 1: because it's just a bunch of threatened ship willing to
Speaker 1: sell separately priced and gootiable uh used like new, which
Speaker 1: is which is actually good because there's no way what
Speaker 1: he's selling is worth first of all. Uh, mostly everything
Speaker 1: is inside an old school three tiered plane oh tackle box,
Speaker 1: So it's it's not like a ton of stuff. This
Speaker 1: is not like you're buying like lefty craze tying materials,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, And like you said,
Speaker 1: it's mostly thread and wired. To be fair, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a pretty legit selection of thread and wire. But
Speaker 1: it also looks ancient. So like the used like new
Speaker 1: tag is dubious at best. Uh. Maybe this is a
Speaker 1: good time to remind folks that replace your tying thread
Speaker 1: like semi regularly, Otherwise you're going to have some shitty
Speaker 1: experiences with with flies coming undone there. That is true.
Speaker 1: That is that is a good tip right there. You
Speaker 1: know what I was thinking? You know what? This also
Speaker 1: looks like This looks like a scene like this looks
Speaker 1: like a photo that could have been taken in like
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's house, Like if there was a death's head
Speaker 1: moth on the bed next to the flying materials, like
Speaker 1: it would have been right out of silence of the lamp. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is where somebody goes get murdered anyway. It's It's
Speaker 1: also not like they're like like hackle capes or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's mostly just that thread, some bucket, pretty threat, the
Speaker 1: guys selling threat some Zonker strips, like all inexpensive items.
Speaker 1: So we know it'ss But how much do you think
Speaker 1: you'd be willing to pay for all that fly goodness? Man? Uh?
Speaker 1: How much? I don't know, fifty bucks? Because this seems
Speaker 1: like the kind of guy Like if I, like, if
Speaker 1: I like bumped into this dude to saw this and
Speaker 1: he was trying to like sound, I'd be like, I'll
Speaker 1: give you bucks, and I don't. Is it weird to
Speaker 1: say he'd he'd probably take it. It doesn't make the
Speaker 1: photo like he would take He would take it. He
Speaker 1: needs forty bucks and he needs it. You would have
Speaker 1: to pay me more than this was worth to even
Speaker 1: go there and get this stuff, Like this isn't Jerry
Speaker 1: with a cup of tea, right, Yeah. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people are either scared off by the
Speaker 1: price tag or the implications of what might happen should
Speaker 1: you get there and try to negotiate, which explain I
Speaker 1: think maybe that's why he's in there. I think that's
Speaker 1: why the shotguns in there. He's trying to dissuade negotiation.
Speaker 1: This it could be. I mean, regardless, it's sketchy, and
Speaker 1: like that's why it's been there for three months. Well again,
Speaker 1: not to pass judgment, but like if you knew where
Speaker 1: this guy live, I just keep an eye on the
Speaker 1: curb because this seems like the kind of thing that
Speaker 1: like eventually he just chuck out there, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So it's sketchy. It's sketch um, you know.
Speaker 1: And I've been known to drive like hours for a
Speaker 1: bargain and meet up with like some folks I don't
Speaker 1: really know too well if there was like a good
Speaker 1: deal on some gear, but even I would shy away
Speaker 1: from this like price notwithstanding. Yeah, and it would be
Speaker 1: it would be a hard pass for me too. I
Speaker 1: don't know, like i've I've I've had some dabblings and
Speaker 1: used fly material. I've never bought them. But there's been
Speaker 1: a few times when like a friend of the family,
Speaker 1: like you know, somebody passes away and they tied a
Speaker 1: little or something. It's like do you want this stuff?
Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, you end up with all these
Speaker 1: hackles and caps and stuff that like you look at
Speaker 1: them and they turned to dust, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: So I don't, I don't. I haven't really dabbled that
Speaker 1: much there anyway, Derek, uh last name excluded. Thanks for
Speaker 1: sending us in And if you come across a similar
Speaker 1: listing or something else you'd like us to highlight on
Speaker 1: the sale bin, go ahead and uh email us a
Speaker 1: link at bent at the mediator dot com. And if
Speaker 1: you're in p A and decide that this particular bargain
Speaker 1: might be for you, make sure to text me or
Speaker 1: hated with your location. Uh, you know if you're meeting
Speaker 1: this guy, and uh, what time we should call the
Speaker 1: cops if we haven't heard from you that sale bin
Speaker 1: reminded me of a contender from many moons ago that
Speaker 1: we never ran, honestly because I just couldn't think of
Speaker 1: enough to say about it to cover an entire segment.
Speaker 1: But a listener sent it in. Um and it was
Speaker 1: a guy, you know, Caroline as I believe, selling a
Speaker 1: bait canon. You know what that is? You ever seen
Speaker 1: one of those? Dude? Yeah? I love those things, man,
Speaker 1: particularly because like when I was a when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, we used to build like PVC potato cannons
Speaker 1: all the time. Oh yeah yeah yeah, and this is
Speaker 1: just one of those with like legit utility. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: this guy, this was not a homemade job or this
Speaker 1: was like the expensive, you know, aluminum bait canon. Um so.
Speaker 1: And it was a very short description. It's just like
Speaker 1: bait cannon five bucks or whatever. But there was only
Speaker 1: one photo of the bait cannon on his lawn. But
Speaker 1: his giant dog, which I think was a boxer, is
Speaker 1: taking a huge steamy shit right next to the bait
Speaker 1: cannon that is for sale. Like this giant curling turd
Speaker 1: is falling out of the dog's ass like within inches
Speaker 1: of the item, and it's just like take another photo, man,
Speaker 1: Like digital photography is free. Like you can't say that
Speaker 1: you didn't notice that. You know, it's funny because we
Speaker 1: sit here and we analyze all this ship. But the
Speaker 1: truth is, I just don't think people care. I don't.
Speaker 1: They really don't. I'm certain the guy who took the
Speaker 1: photo for today's sale Ben never gave the surrounding of
Speaker 1: thought cared then or will care now if he here's
Speaker 1: this no, which which he won't. But you know what,
Speaker 1: we we hear uh you, we hear you and your
Speaker 1: questions bent listeners. So to take this episode full circle
Speaker 1: to the start, where we touched on the existence of
Speaker 1: a perfect being or bait casting rod, let's chat about
Speaker 1: whether such a thing exists in the fly world. In
Speaker 1: today's installment of the bent Helpline, what are you laughing at, Marktini?
Speaker 1: You're not an idiot, You're not a gamblooning hell boy.
Speaker 1: You're a fisherman. What's your emergency? All right? So, this
Speaker 1: week on the bent Helpline, we are hearing from Ryan
Speaker 1: Glarno a k A. Crayola munches on a great handle,
Speaker 1: Great handle, Love to know more Kariola munchies on the Instagram?
Speaker 1: He asks, been fishing all my life, but never fly fished.
Speaker 1: What would be the best way to start? Now? I
Speaker 1: got some thoughts on this job, But why don't you? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you go first, go ahead? What are your so? Um?
Speaker 1: I have? I guess I've been in this position more
Speaker 1: recently than you beginner fly rod first off? Right, Like,
Speaker 1: don't go out buying like a crazy nine rod because
Speaker 1: like that's what you think you need to be good
Speaker 1: a rod or just even like you know, a more
Speaker 1: upper echelon rod has its place. But I don't know
Speaker 1: about you, Joe, but like I don't feel like that's
Speaker 1: something that I was really able to appreciate until I
Speaker 1: was like far enough along in my like fly fishing trajector.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. That's like getting your your learners permit
Speaker 1: when you're sixteen and somebody putting you in like a
Speaker 1: BMW sports car, Like you don't know how to drive
Speaker 1: the Corolla yet? So are you really going to appreciate
Speaker 1: the difference? Um? And I agree with everything you just said.
Speaker 1: People ask me all the time, you know similar, like
Speaker 1: I'm I want to start or set up? What what
Speaker 1: brand do you recommend? And truth be told, my answer
Speaker 1: is always figure out what your price range is for
Speaker 1: the rod and real combo, and then pick the one
Speaker 1: that you like aesthetically, because really, I think if you're
Speaker 1: looking at fly rod in real combos in in similar
Speaker 1: price ranges, I mean I haven't fished them all, so
Speaker 1: I can't like say, well this one is better, and
Speaker 1: is there really a terrible fly rod anymore? And in
Speaker 1: any in any price range, especially if you don't know
Speaker 1: the difference, if you don't know how to cast yet
Speaker 1: at all, you will learn just fine on whether it's
Speaker 1: an Echo orvis what whatever sort of budget lower end
Speaker 1: brand you can afford. And if you stick with it,
Speaker 1: like you said, someday, if you pony up for the
Speaker 1: nine job or then you'll be like, oh now, I see,
Speaker 1: But there's no point in jumping to that. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: you know if you want a specific like combo that
Speaker 1: I like a lot, uh, And I this doesn't interfere
Speaker 1: with thirteen. I don't think they don't make fly rods,
Speaker 1: and not at all the orbs clear Water combo. I
Speaker 1: think it's great because it comes with your line, it
Speaker 1: comes with your real uh, it comes with your rod.
Speaker 1: I think it even comes with some leader material. But
Speaker 1: I remember I had gotten a girlfriend one of those
Speaker 1: at a at one point in time, man and I
Speaker 1: fished that thing for a while and it was great.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, even somebody who knows something about it, Man,
Speaker 1: I thought that was totally sufficient. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I've said I've said this before and I'll reiterate it.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Um, you can either cast a fly
Speaker 1: rod or you can't. There is no such thing as
Speaker 1: a fly rod that is going to really make your
Speaker 1: cast better. There's not. There's not. So even if you're
Speaker 1: the guy who's got rod in thirty years of experience,
Speaker 1: if somebody's like, hey, dude, your only option today is
Speaker 1: this orvis clear water, you will get by and cast
Speaker 1: just five. So I have done. It's this. It's it's
Speaker 1: the skill, not the not the tool. I'm you know. Yeah. Anyhow, Um,
Speaker 1: so that's like your rig. Next I would identify what
Speaker 1: sort of species you were going after primarily and number
Speaker 1: one by the rod. That's like conducive to that. Can
Speaker 1: I can? I can? I can I add a little
Speaker 1: caveat to that because what I also see people say,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's what I'll ask, well, what are
Speaker 1: you fishing for? And a lot of times you get
Speaker 1: well trout mostly but sometimes carp an occasionally small mouth
Speaker 1: and the thing the thing for people to remember, which
Speaker 1: has has shocked a few people. I'm like, you don't
Speaker 1: necessarily match your rotten reel to what you're fishing as
Speaker 1: much as the flies you have to throw to catch
Speaker 1: that thing. So, I mean, a nine ft five weight
Speaker 1: fly rod with floating line is is what you would
Speaker 1: call the basic middle of the road. Um, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna throw a bread fly thirty pound carp though, you
Speaker 1: might not want that one though, so you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me let me throw a caveat to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're going for like a trout centric approach or
Speaker 1: like a smaller scale fish approach, I would definitely say
Speaker 1: the nine ft five. If you thought you might primarily
Speaker 1: be going after like, uh, small mouth and you know
Speaker 1: fish like that, I would say bump up to a six,
Speaker 1: six or seven. But but I mean, that's that's the problem.
Speaker 1: You know that you have a five weight rod and
Speaker 1: it does, it does stuff that you wanted to do,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh, I'm gonna throw some hair
Speaker 1: bugs for some large mouth today. Now it's not gonna
Speaker 1: turn over it's not gonna it's and and it's it's
Speaker 1: not that you can't fight a ten pound large mouth
Speaker 1: on a five weight fly rod. You're gonna have a
Speaker 1: hell of a time delivering that fly. Because fly fishing
Speaker 1: is a system, the line, the rod, everything has to
Speaker 1: come together and and be in harmony to turn over,
Speaker 1: flip over, and present. The size of the fly based
Speaker 1: on how air resistant they are, how heavy they are. Um.
Speaker 1: But all that said, it's kind of getting in the
Speaker 1: weeds because I do believe anybody who wants to get
Speaker 1: into this should just forget the big fish dreams for
Speaker 1: a while and just get yourself a nine ft five
Speaker 1: weight and learn how to cast it. If you're catching
Speaker 1: pan fish and trout, learn that and then and then
Speaker 1: worry about it from there. That's my okay. So that's
Speaker 1: like your your your basic you know, line reel rod
Speaker 1: set up. And by the way, don't buy an expensive reel,
Speaker 1: particularly if you're like just going for like trout and
Speaker 1: bass is just a line holder. Man. If you're going
Speaker 1: for like steelhead, yeah, if like that for some reason,
Speaker 1: that's where you decide to dip your toe into fly fishing.
Speaker 1: You want some good drag then because it's gonna pull yeah.
Speaker 1: Um okay. So now like tactic wise or like general
Speaker 1: approach wise, um, I would say, like start in a
Speaker 1: high probability time of year and fish the same areas
Speaker 1: you would as if you were conventional fishing. And what
Speaker 1: I mean by that is like, if you have a
Speaker 1: lot of experience flipping I don't know, you know, just
Speaker 1: three in grubs underdocks right on your conventional setup, do
Speaker 1: the same ship. Just do it with do it with
Speaker 1: like a bunny leach or something. Well, let me jump in.
Speaker 1: Well here's what I would do. Go buy you go
Speaker 1: buy your nine foot five weight, put basically any fly
Speaker 1: that you have on it, whether it's a dryer or nymph,
Speaker 1: and go to the easiest bluegill pond you know of
Speaker 1: where all the kids go with with zero ship in
Speaker 1: the way of your back cast, like preferably of a
Speaker 1: pond in the middle of a wide open Nebraska field
Speaker 1: would be good. And even if you have graduated from
Speaker 1: that long ago, uh, catch a bunch of bluegills, because
Speaker 1: you take the mystery of fly selection right out of it.
Speaker 1: They'll eat any nymph for any dry or any tiny
Speaker 1: popper you put out there. And um, you're gonna learn
Speaker 1: how to set the hook with a fly rod. You're
Speaker 1: gonna learn how to fight a fish with a fly rod,
Speaker 1: because quite often too you don't ever touch the reel.
Speaker 1: You strip your fish in by hand. Um, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna learn how to present. You're gonna learn how to
Speaker 1: cast far. You're gonna learn how to cast close blue gills.
Speaker 1: Man like kind of go back to the beginning. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and adopt the mindset of, like a true beginner,
Speaker 1: have your goal be to catch a fish. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what fish that is, it doesn't matter how big
Speaker 1: it is, and really try and learn from that. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, take notes on what works and like what doesn't,
Speaker 1: and above all else, don't put yourself in technical situations
Speaker 1: right away. Do stuff where like a good cast will
Speaker 1: be rewarded with like a blue guilt hitting your hitting
Speaker 1: your fly. Don't like, you know, try and catch a
Speaker 1: trophy brown trout. Yeah, and I think the way to
Speaker 1: step up and you kind of alluded to that with
Speaker 1: your flipping docks references. You know, once you get a
Speaker 1: little bit comfortable, um, you know, devote a day to
Speaker 1: going out. Don't bring your spinning rod, just take your
Speaker 1: fly rod, no matter what happens. And when you put
Speaker 1: yourself in positions where you've you've you've gear fished before.
Speaker 1: I mean really, every time I'm out with a fly rod,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, how do I present this like
Speaker 1: gear or vice versa. Like they're sort of interchangeable in
Speaker 1: a way. So if you look at the situation, go
Speaker 1: normally I would throw a panther Martin right here, and
Speaker 1: I would put it over there, and I'd move it
Speaker 1: this way. Just try to emulate that with what's in
Speaker 1: your fly box, whether it's a little zonker or a
Speaker 1: little muddler. Um. Again, it all goes back to like
Speaker 1: everybody thinks there's this huge disconnect between fly and gear,
Speaker 1: there's no disconnect at all. You're doing the same thing
Speaker 1: with different tools. No, and and just remember, man, you're learning.
Speaker 1: Have fun. You know you said you've been fishing your
Speaker 1: entire life. Man Um, the learning curve isn't going to
Speaker 1: be as steep as some folks might want you to believe.
Speaker 1: You know, just let it be what it is. Have
Speaker 1: a good time, man, you'll catch fish, and if you don't,
Speaker 1: right in again, we'll tell you how you're messing it up. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's gonna say, let us know how it goes. And
Speaker 1: we enjoy this segment a lot, So please keep all
Speaker 1: these great questions coming because we love answering them. And
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Speaker 1: your rod and real arsenal to the unique waters where
Speaker 1: you fish so that you can finally bow and arrowcast
Speaker 1: that spinner to that impossible brook trout under the tree,
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