WEBVTT - Ep. 85: Pump Action Raccoon Streamers

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<v Speaker 1>Which may may have led to the officer informare a

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<v Speaker 1>listener that he himself was just listening to the Bent

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<v Speaker 1>podcast in his patrol car. She did a big hard

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<v Speaker 1>whip down with a rod and spun the hopper up,

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<v Speaker 1>and I turned around and he had it pinned like

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<v Speaker 1>a hitler must have in his upper lip. And then, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do a sale bin that. That brings to

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<v Speaker 1>mind one of my favorite hip hop songs, Pistol Grip Pump,

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<v Speaker 1>which is on my lap at all times. Cops listen

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<v Speaker 1>to this good morning to generate anglers, and welcome to Bent,

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<v Speaker 1>the fishing podcast that really hates golf but has a

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<v Speaker 1>hard time denying the similarities between it and angling. I'm Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>Sir Melie, and I'm hating samac and I'm failing to

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<v Speaker 1>like see the connection beyond people like feeling the need

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<v Speaker 1>to wear various like logo wear in order to in

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<v Speaker 1>like flex on the folks around him. That's a You're

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<v Speaker 1>not wrong, that's that's correct. Uh yeah, but I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm leaning into the analogy a bit today because, um,

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<v Speaker 1>of a few listener messages that I've gotten recently, one

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<v Speaker 1>of which we're actually gonna touch on in the bent

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<v Speaker 1>helpline later, but but the gist of them is this, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>people often want to know what is the one rod

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<v Speaker 1>and reel you need to do everything? And my my

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<v Speaker 1>answer is always, um, you can have one rod and

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<v Speaker 1>reel that will do a lot, but not everything. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's sort of part of the golf tie in. Right. Conversely,

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<v Speaker 1>whenever somebody looks in my garage at all my rods

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<v Speaker 1>and says, like, what the hell do you need that

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<v Speaker 1>many rods for, my answer is because you don't play

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<v Speaker 1>team holes of golf with with nothing but a driver, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you could, but are you going to be as effective? No,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not. Yeah, but you don't do them all in

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<v Speaker 1>one day. I get what you're saying, but I also

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<v Speaker 1>like sympathize with the mindset of a beginner because you

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<v Speaker 1>have to start somewhere, and like, if there's like one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you ought not to do when you get

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<v Speaker 1>into a hobby is just like blow your entire budget

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<v Speaker 1>for like next four years on a bunch of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that like you're gonna use one time or whatever. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when I first started out, man, I bought

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<v Speaker 1>like a seven weight steel head rod, ended up using

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<v Speaker 1>it a lot, But like there was absolutely like a

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<v Speaker 1>scenario before I could drive and I had that rod

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<v Speaker 1>where it was like time to break out the steel

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<v Speaker 1>head rod that I could have just rented from the shop.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, you're right, right, and and and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that is true, like everybody does have to start somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the broader thing I'm trying to say

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<v Speaker 1>here is is as you grow as a fisherman, it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to develop sort of like a sense of of

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<v Speaker 1>like the system and the weights and measures that that

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<v Speaker 1>that at play here to really be effective. And and

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<v Speaker 1>for like a lot of non devout anglers, like dabblers,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a sense that I just need a

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<v Speaker 1>rod in reel some tenttown tests and I'm good, And

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<v Speaker 1>you are good if you're okay always staying in the

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<v Speaker 1>parameters that year right, Like you know, I look at

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<v Speaker 1>it like, you know, if you just want to stay

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<v Speaker 1>at the driving range that's where you're happiest, then cool,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all it's all good, you know what I mean. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So I I get that like fishing and pocket water

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<v Speaker 1>is like putting or like I don't know that you

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<v Speaker 1>need the right club to be effective there. Yeah. Another

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<v Speaker 1>I hate this metaphor so much it's funny because I

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<v Speaker 1>hate golf anyway. Um. But another analogy I can draw though,

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<v Speaker 1>is the idea of like a golf bag. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not a crazy large amounth fisherman, but I have been

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<v Speaker 1>lucky enough to fish with a few large amounth pros

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<v Speaker 1>over the years. And those guys are straight up, man,

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<v Speaker 1>they are golfing on the water right. They have all

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<v Speaker 1>their clubs laid out and they chip here and put

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<v Speaker 1>there and drive here. And I have adopted that method hardcore.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like my one takeaway from fishing with some pro

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<v Speaker 1>bass guys. It is extremely rare for me to go

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<v Speaker 1>out fishing and only carry one rod. Three is more

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<v Speaker 1>like it, because I want to have a Senko or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever on one, and a poper on this one, a

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<v Speaker 1>jerk bait on on this one, and they might all

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<v Speaker 1>have different lines and leaders and actions, but for the

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<v Speaker 1>sake of efficiency in covering water, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>retie three times at one hole, you know what I mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to cover it and move along. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like I get that out of a boat.

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<v Speaker 1>But isn't that like a total pain in the ask

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<v Speaker 1>to carry three rods. I mean, well, I'm phrasing like

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<v Speaker 1>a question. What I mean is it's a total pain

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<v Speaker 1>in the ask to carry three rods. It can be, right,

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<v Speaker 1>not usually, like you said, on a boat, no issue

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<v Speaker 1>at all, dude. Like i go out of my my

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<v Speaker 1>little drift boat and I've got like thirteen rods jammed

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<v Speaker 1>down the sides. Um And for most bank fishing, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're just working a bank, it's not that big a

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<v Speaker 1>deal either. But the only time I'll have one rod

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<v Speaker 1>usually is if I'm waiting and I know I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>in the water most of the time, like summer smally waiting,

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<v Speaker 1>I put the bare essentials in one chest pack or

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<v Speaker 1>hip pack or whatever and wade with one rod because

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<v Speaker 1>I will be in the stream most of the time. Otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't find it that that inconvenient. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's more my style. In fact, what I do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot when I'm like trout fishing is I'll have

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<v Speaker 1>one rod that's not exactly what I want for everything, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But then I'll have like a couple of reels with

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<v Speaker 1>like different spools on them, right, So I'll go out

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll if I wanted to like trout fish, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>eurim thing right, I'll have my like euro set up,

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<v Speaker 1>but in my in my bag, I'll have like a

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<v Speaker 1>wait forward floating all spooled up so that way, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's too windy I want to fish an indicator, I

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<v Speaker 1>can move over to that. Or if I see a

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<v Speaker 1>little dry fly action it's not perfect for it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like good enough. Um, but this all goes to, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is leading me to the point that not all

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<v Speaker 1>of us can afford an arsenal of rods Joe. Not

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<v Speaker 1>all of us are, at least of all you, I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just look, look all I'm doing here. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>passing along an approach, right, It's just something to think about,

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<v Speaker 1>That's all. I do. Believe that efficiency and maximum time

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<v Speaker 1>with a line in the water catches the most fish, right,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of species, regardless of what you're doing. Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you know efficiency and keeping lines in like you,

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<v Speaker 1>you should train yourself to maximize that also, regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>your budget. Our sponsor thirteen Fishing at least has a

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<v Speaker 1>lure anyone can afford for pretty much any species. Well. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll also point out that as far as like

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<v Speaker 1>high quality, budget friendly like outfits like that's also something

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<v Speaker 1>that thirteen fishing is good for. So you bought up

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<v Speaker 1>wet waiting Smalley's that's something I want to do more of. What, um,

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<v Speaker 1>what would your ideal outfit look like? For that ideal

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<v Speaker 1>outfit for that, that's what's in my pack. Well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm not gonna go through the entire pack, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do I will whittle that down. We're just talking, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's where the general to my small fac right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>uh from thirteen the first and foremost for that, the

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<v Speaker 1>whipper snapper that is like the smallest jerk bait that

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<v Speaker 1>they make, um perfect for moving water, and the model

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<v Speaker 1>that dives three to five feet is might go to.

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<v Speaker 1>This would also come in very handy for trout. Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those baits like you barely touch the line,

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<v Speaker 1>like you just barely snap it and it darts all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place. And in terms of an outfit like

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<v Speaker 1>anything in that like six and a half to I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, you know, maybe seven foot um light or

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<v Speaker 1>ultra light range for summertime waiting, you know, ten pound braid,

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<v Speaker 1>something like that travel light, one little spool of eight

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<v Speaker 1>pound floral leader, and it looks like he's packing out

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<v Speaker 1>and elk with all the ship he has in his bag.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's you would think that, And there was a

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<v Speaker 1>time in my life when that was true. Miles and

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about that a long time ago. How like

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<v Speaker 1>you're seventeen and you have more you know what it's like?

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<v Speaker 1>Four fly two is poking out of your backpack and

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<v Speaker 1>like one spinning rod in your belt and one in

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<v Speaker 1>your hands. Now not anymore. I do like I do

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<v Speaker 1>like your small mouth set up recommendations, and I will

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<v Speaker 1>be uh. I I never sent out that email to

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen that I promised I was going to send out

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<v Speaker 1>last week, So oh man, I'll have to be uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have to be tacking that onto my order. Good

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<v Speaker 1>good anyway, So let's we'll do this. Well, let's switch

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<v Speaker 1>off conventional must haves for a minute, um and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about flying must have, particularly if you tie your own bugs.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always got bucktail on hand. Rabbit strips, those are

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<v Speaker 1>a must, right, But if you ever tied with raccoon? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>Have I ever died with raccoon? Um? You know? No,

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<v Speaker 1>the clothes I've ever gotten to tying with raccoon? Is

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<v Speaker 1>I used to tie with a dubbing from I think

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<v Speaker 1>like an Australian possum. Okay, I'm sure that they're they're similar.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably both only come out at night. Anyway, if you

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<v Speaker 1>need some raccoon and guide. If you need some, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>our friend and guide Bart Land where it can help

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<v Speaker 1>and he'll tell you where his supply came from in

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<v Speaker 1>this week's Smooth Move segment. Why Why So, I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>excited today for our Smooth Moves guests. Some of you

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<v Speaker 1>might remember Tim landword of of Tight Lines uh Fly

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<v Speaker 1>Fishing company out there in in Wisconsin. Um, he's not here,

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<v Speaker 1>even though he's he's done several segments and and co

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<v Speaker 1>hosted the show. We have we have his cousin to

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<v Speaker 1>start by introducing. So we have his cousin Land Where.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to give you bart a few seconds

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<v Speaker 1>to explain why you are the better land where? Why

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<v Speaker 1>are you the better land where than Tim Land? Work? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Smarter for sure, okay, obviously better looking. I can vouch

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<v Speaker 1>for that. You are a good looking man. Yeah. On

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<v Speaker 1>a fishy level, I might be a little bit fisher

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<v Speaker 1>than him. I'm not sure better keg stand you were

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<v Speaker 1>Tim land work. He's got a problem. Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we won't we and dragging? Kidding? Of course I got

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<v Speaker 1>to hang out with bart um the same time I

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<v Speaker 1>hung out with him, and we were filming dost Boat

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<v Speaker 1>season two up on the man Nominee River. Um, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know we we I said, we had Tim on

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<v Speaker 1>and he's always been like, man, you gotta call bart

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<v Speaker 1>because if you need smooth moves like, he's got some

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<v Speaker 1>up stories. I think that's exactly how he put it. So,

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<v Speaker 1>um yeah, man, Just so I know how long Tim

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<v Speaker 1>has been goting, how long you've been goting? How long

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<v Speaker 1>have you been in the game? Uh the year twenty one?

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<v Speaker 1>I think twenty one years? Okay, all right, So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna give you the floor man. And and I've

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<v Speaker 1>drank with both. I've drank with you in a garage,

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<v Speaker 1>which was fun. It was like the one eight on

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<v Speaker 1>the video shoot. We drank too much and then couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>like we didn't. We were not as functional the next

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<v Speaker 1>day as we should have been. Um, but I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>give you the floor. Dude, hit it hit us with

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<v Speaker 1>a smooth move. The w t f moment from twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one years guiding that sticks out the most, All right,

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<v Speaker 1>sticks out the most. I've got a lot of stories,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm trying to think of on that would be

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<v Speaker 1>a little different. Yeah, And the one I came up

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<v Speaker 1>with was a trip I took god Is, probably ten

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<v Speaker 1>years ago with a couple who were an older couple

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<v Speaker 1>from Chicago, very urban people love the idea of the outdoors,

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<v Speaker 1>love the idea of nature, and they wanted to see

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<v Speaker 1>that just didn't really experience it much or know anything about.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't know as much about it as it really is. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So they come up for the day and they want

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<v Speaker 1>to see the most beautiful part of the river and

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<v Speaker 1>they want to see all this great stuff and catch fish.

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<v Speaker 1>So I set it up. We have a perfect where

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<v Speaker 1>where is this Wisconsin? So I took him to a

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<v Speaker 1>spot on the river that is not developed at all.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no cabins. It dials up, you guys. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect like seventy eight degree day, no wind, perfect smallmouth weather,

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<v Speaker 1>little humid. So we start off and everything is. They're

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying the hell out of it. We've got perfect weather,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got happy fish. We see a deer early. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>everything's great, We're having the best time, and I'm literally

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<v Speaker 1>looking for anything Flora fun and related I can show

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<v Speaker 1>them to give him a piece of the great Northern experience. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>is that because you questioned whether they'd actually be able

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<v Speaker 1>to catch the fish? Yeah, you have that, And and

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't stellar, but they were hard workers and we

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<v Speaker 1>were having a great time and the super nice people

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<v Speaker 1>and everything was Remember Caddy Shack, Remember the old Caddy

0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.240
<v Speaker 1>shack that go golfing and everything is the greatest. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's a peach hun and the husband life. That's who

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<v Speaker 1>they reminded me of, right, because everything she did he

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<v Speaker 1>would compliment her, and vice versa and ad nauseam. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're still having a great time. It's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>nicer than the alter. So I'm enjoyed by samm Gladys. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So like midway through the morning, I'm a quarter of

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<v Speaker 1>the way into the float and there's no one around.

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<v Speaker 1>It's perfect day. And I started hearing a dog barking.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's some bends coming in the river, and I

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<v Speaker 1>figure we're gonna make a bend and we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>someone with a canoe and their dog, or they're on

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<v Speaker 1>the river hanging out. So we're talking, oh, somebody must

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<v Speaker 1>be up here. We make this bend and I'm here

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<v Speaker 1>in the barking intensifying, I can't see a dog, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of now they're fishing. I'm watching river right

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<v Speaker 1>and the river has come down. It's early August, mid

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<v Speaker 1>August maybe, and the root wads on the base of

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<v Speaker 1>the trees are kind of all exposed on the river bank,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, I see the back end

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<v Speaker 1>of a dog that's hung up in this root ball

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<v Speaker 1>and barking its head off. So you're trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what the hell is going on right now. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, all right, something's wrong with this dog. Is

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<v Speaker 1>he called as he hung up? Is he in distress?

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<v Speaker 1>They're asking me questions that I can't answer, So I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, guys, check it out. We're gonna reel up

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna roll over and see what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And they go cool. So they reel up their stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and I start kind of pushing rolling over to this

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<v Speaker 1>dog and as I'm approaching, he's just intensely barking under

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<v Speaker 1>this tree, and I'm starting to question whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>he's stuck. As we get over there, I'm close. Now

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<v Speaker 1>he's not stuck. He's underneath this blowdown, and another dog

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<v Speaker 1>appears on the bank. The second dog is a home

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<v Speaker 1>with a big whip antenna on his neck. Well in Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 1>late July and early August, the bear hunters, they run

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<v Speaker 1>their dogs. But what they found and we're interested in,

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<v Speaker 1>was about to happen right in front of us. At

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty I can't get away from it, and the

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<v Speaker 1>one dog and the other dog dive in and they

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<v Speaker 1>come out with a raccoon and proceed to eviscerated from us.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a two minute not even this is

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<v Speaker 1>probably forty seconds, but it feels like an hour and

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<v Speaker 1>a half. It's blood hair, snarling, squealing, screaming, and they stop.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them looks over at me and starts where

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<v Speaker 1>I can his tail kind of comes up, smells the boat.

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<v Speaker 1>The other one's happy as a clam. Meanwhile, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>raccoon in its death throws rolling in the shallows, and

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<v Speaker 1>every time it comes up it's making noise and going

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<v Speaker 1>back up is dying. And at this moment, what what

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<v Speaker 1>if you had to imitate this noise. What would it be.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing that, come on, because think are a

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<v Speaker 1>really nasty, bad noise. So I'm just watching what's unfolding

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<v Speaker 1>in front of me, and I'm like, okay, dogs and

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<v Speaker 1>they bounce away, they're gone, and here's this raccoon dying

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<v Speaker 1>yet the water's got blood in it. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>realized I got people with me, and I look up

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<v Speaker 1>and they are pale, speechless. The wife's mouth is a gape, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't even what the hell do you say

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<v Speaker 1>to him? And I go, uh, for lunch, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you guys, ready for a sandwich. So I'm like, well, um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the reality of nature. Some ship you say, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what to say a right? So as I

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<v Speaker 1>started to bite my oars in to pull off the

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<v Speaker 1>bank and leave the situation, the woman goes, is that

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<v Speaker 1>another one? And I look up on the bank. There

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<v Speaker 1>was like four little rulings that were with mom and

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<v Speaker 1>they must all been in there, and the dogs killed

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<v Speaker 1>them all. It was awful and I'm not messing around you, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like lunchtime right there. Lunch brots right here, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go out of sand much the reality of nature, folks, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it is the reality of nature, except that the dogs

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<v Speaker 1>weren't really like wild It wasn't like wild animal. Well

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of manufactured, you know. So how so

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<v Speaker 1>did they eat their lunch or just have like one

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<v Speaker 1>bite or just sort of poke around the tuna sandwich

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<v Speaker 1>or it was the rest of the day it was quiet.

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<v Speaker 1>People were have been concerned with what they'd experienced. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you I do have the backup end of

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<v Speaker 1>that stories. Right out of lunch, we came out and

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<v Speaker 1>we got going again, and the weather's nice, and that

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<v Speaker 1>raccoon is dead along behind us, and the fishing actually

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<v Speaker 1>got pretty damn good. Right, Yeah, things were hungry. So

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<v Speaker 1>we were fishing hopper patterns, first of all, mouth and

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<v Speaker 1>they were crushing, and the lady was in the front

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<v Speaker 1>of the boat and she could not hook fish. And

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<v Speaker 1>her husband, who was so flattering to her all day,

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<v Speaker 1>it became an annoyance to her because he was, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you get him next time, and he kept hooking up.

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<v Speaker 1>And at one point, and I don't know if it

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<v Speaker 1>was because the raccoon had a little miffed and upset

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<v Speaker 1>and everything, but she had a fish come up after

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<v Speaker 1>about the tenth miss fish, and she did a big

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<v Speaker 1>hard whip down with a rod and spun the hopper

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<v Speaker 1>up and I heard him squirrel behind me, and I

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<v Speaker 1>turned around and he had it pinned like a Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>mustache in his upper lip. So I just turned around

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<v Speaker 1>before he could do anything. He said, don't wait, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just put my hand in his face and took

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<v Speaker 1>it out right away. Wow, man, that was a two.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a two fur right there. Yeah. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know what he reminds me? A man? Like One of

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<v Speaker 1>the many times I've ever seen like dog led destruction

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<v Speaker 1>like that was it was like early spring, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we were doing like some like yard work around my

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<v Speaker 1>house and my mother is in like this like front

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<v Speaker 1>garden that we have. There's like me, my dad. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're like in bad because my brother and my mom

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<v Speaker 1>they were in front. Comes around all exide, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the dogs running around, and she comes out, come, look, come, look,

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<v Speaker 1>there are baby rabbits. By the time we got there

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<v Speaker 1>in her absence, the dog went right over and just

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed the entire net. Had similar things happen, and also

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<v Speaker 1>like do you know, like if a baby rabbit is

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<v Speaker 1>sick or something I think like the mom will actually

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<v Speaker 1>eat it to get rid of it. I did not

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<v Speaker 1>know that. Like I've had baby rabbits in the yard,

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<v Speaker 1>and like there'd be like one all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>one day, like one's not there and it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>eaten in half, but like nibbles, tiny nibbles. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the rabbits. Rabbits. You might want to qualify that one

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<v Speaker 1>a little. This ship just got all really weird, ben listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>do mother rabbits eat their babies if one of them

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<v Speaker 1>is sick? And like can't? I don't. I don't know anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>did those people come back? They happen back? Good? Do

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<v Speaker 1>they do? They? Are they on guard now for the nature?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they still love the nature as much as they

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<v Speaker 1>thought they did? I think they understand nature a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more so. How do you like that one? Meat

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<v Speaker 1>eaters this role? That's what that was? Anyway? Huge thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to Bart for sharing that one. He's just out there

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<v Speaker 1>hammering small jaws and scaring old people for life. So well,

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<v Speaker 1>in case you haven't had enough carnage, sit back and

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<v Speaker 1>listen to Joe and I tear each other to pieces

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<v Speaker 1>in the Virtual Raptor Paddock. We like to call fish

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<v Speaker 1>news fish news. That escalated quickly. So here's a little

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<v Speaker 1>fun shout out caveat being. We're gonna exclude names and

0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.399
<v Speaker 1>states as a matter of protection, which and this is

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<v Speaker 1>the first on Ben, but it's all gonna make sense

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<v Speaker 1>because we need not call anyone out for fear of

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<v Speaker 1>judgment nor getting anyone in trouble. And I would like

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<v Speaker 1>to point out that I I whatever Joe was about

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<v Speaker 1>to like drop on y'all. I'm not proving to it now.

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<v Speaker 1>This came through Instagram, but I got I got this

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<v Speaker 1>note from a listener on Instagram who told me he

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<v Speaker 1>may or may not have gotten pulled over recently on

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<v Speaker 1>his way home from a fishing trip, and he may

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<v Speaker 1>or may not have have recently partaken uh in the

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<v Speaker 1>consumption of we'll say CBD products if you catch what's

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<v Speaker 1>swirling around in my bond water. And since we're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the gummies here, there may or may not

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<v Speaker 1>have been a noticeable odor in his vehicle which the

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<v Speaker 1>officer that pulled him over smelled. Anyway, the officer may

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<v Speaker 1>or may not have noticed the fishing gear in the car,

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<v Speaker 1>which may or may not have quickly morphed the convo

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<v Speaker 1>from CBD products to local fishing, which may may have

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<v Speaker 1>led to the officer in form are a listener that

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<v Speaker 1>he himself was just listening to the Bent podcast in

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<v Speaker 1>his patrol car. Cops listen to this, maybe this could

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<v Speaker 1>be a hypothetical situation. All of this may have led

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<v Speaker 1>to our dear listener getting off the hook. So what

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<v Speaker 1>he asked me to do was shout out the officer

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<v Speaker 1>by name, which I will not. Like, No, that isn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen. I'm not even saying he really exists.

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<v Speaker 1>But if he does, officer, you're cool, and it just

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<v Speaker 1>goes to show you, um Bent fishing or like PBA

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<v Speaker 1>cards sometimes. So that story, I I enjoyed that story.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. I can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>like police officers listened to this show like that is

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<v Speaker 1>just like one. I don't know why. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it makes as much sense as anybody fish, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it would be like, you know, like I

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<v Speaker 1>would be equally surprised if like a doctor or like

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<v Speaker 1>a a fireman, or like just just somebody. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like once you have like a I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just something about a police officer listening to this

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<v Speaker 1>that just seems like I think. I think it's because

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<v Speaker 1>the whole degenerate angler thing, because like cops are supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be like very generate, well put, well put anyway, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>no judgment for either party. Uh. If this hypothetical officer

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<v Speaker 1>is listening and wanted to, I don't know, send some

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<v Speaker 1>p BA cards since you've kind of been shouted out,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be cool anyway. Uh, yeah, I won't hold

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<v Speaker 1>out hope for that. So let's ufore we move on,

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<v Speaker 1>let's knock out conservation minutes real quick here. Um, here's

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<v Speaker 1>what I got. Okay, Cross Louisiana scientists are finding non

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<v Speaker 1>lethal ways to collect information about spotted and alligator gar

0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:51.480
<v Speaker 1>tro Yeah, to assess the overall health of floodplains and habitats.

0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:56.919
<v Speaker 1>The guard provides samples for isotope analysis. However, historically collecting

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<v Speaker 1>those has been lethal teams who relied on muscled issue

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<v Speaker 1>and stomach contents. Interesting. Man, Interesting. I'm about to talk

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<v Speaker 1>later where I guess my lead off. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a non leafal uh science based fishing thing

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<v Speaker 1>thing right anyway, Sorry, so I didn't, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>So now these research teams from Austin, Texas and Nickel

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<v Speaker 1>State University have devised a way to gather the same

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<v Speaker 1>info with just small fin clips, which means more healthy

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<v Speaker 1>gar to eat your carp chunks or um for someone

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<v Speaker 1>to just shoot in the head with an arrow and

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<v Speaker 1>collect zero data. Either way, more guard for everybody. So

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<v Speaker 1>for my conservation minutes, um, we are going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about not live fish, but dead fish. A fish kill

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<v Speaker 1>in Mobile, Alabama has been reported. Is it mobile or mobile?

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard it said both ways. I say, is my

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<v Speaker 1>leg I always mobile? But then somebody from there is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be like it's mobile, you know, like you can't win,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't win people us Well, the red drum are

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<v Speaker 1>stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues again anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>In Mobile, Alabama, a large fish kill was reported. A

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<v Speaker 1>video shot by charter boat captain Blake Crap Mike Mikailski

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<v Speaker 1>Milk I'm gonna go with Mikaelski showed hundreds of dead

0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:35.919
<v Speaker 1>red drum along a tideline in the mouth of Mobile Bay,

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:40.919
<v Speaker 1>heading towards Sand Island Lighthouse. UH though an immediate cause

0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 1>is not clear, scientists aren't particularly worried about long term impacts,

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<v Speaker 1>as the incident seems to be relatively isolated. The source

0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:51.040
<v Speaker 1>of the kill is not clear, as a likely cause

0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:55.040
<v Speaker 1>had already dissipated by the time scientists got to the scene. Um,

0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.240
<v Speaker 1>this fish kill is unique in that most of the time,

0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:01.160
<v Speaker 1>fish kills are only detected as fish wish up on shore.

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<v Speaker 1>This one, however, was discovered in open water. Anyhow, if

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:06.399
<v Speaker 1>you have any information on this, go ahead and uh

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 1>talk to uh some fascinating Alabama I know they. I

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 1>know they recently had a nasty cold swing down there,

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think it was long enough like the

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 1>one last year in Texas to to do that. So

0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 1>who knows. Anyway, Alright, minutes have been conserved now for

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 1>the blood baths. Remember this is a competition. Hayden and

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I do not know which main story the other fellows

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 1>bringing to the table. At the end, our audio engineer Phil,

0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 1>we'll take a fin clip from each of us to

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 1>determine which guy spent more than ten minutes looking for

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:38.880
<v Speaker 1>his story. Uh, as you've already pointed out, it's your

0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:42.080
<v Speaker 1>lead man, So what do you got? Okay, So today

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 1>on Fish News, I'm going to talk about something I'm

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:47.960
<v Speaker 1>totally qualified to share my thoughts and report on neuroscience.

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:53.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh good, Yeah, anyway, this comes to us from interesting

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 1>engineering dot Com, as well as a press release from

0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 1>USC and that's University of Southern California. To that, researchers

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:04.400
<v Speaker 1>at USC have for the first time observed memories forming

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.439
<v Speaker 1>in a living animal. And guess what kind of animal

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:10.879
<v Speaker 1>that was? Joe, h it was? I know because I

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:14.920
<v Speaker 1>almost grabbed this. It's like a zebra h sounds a fish.

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.560
<v Speaker 1>You're not supposed to, like tell him the whole why.

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:19.280
<v Speaker 1>I just told him it's a zebra fish. That's what

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:25.920
<v Speaker 1>they always do. It's for the banner, Joe. Anyway, Yeah,

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 1>it was a fish, because this is a fishing podcast

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>and this is fish news, and as Joe pointed out,

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 1>as a zebra fish. Anyway, Yeah, scientists capture the first

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:35.240
<v Speaker 1>ever snapshot at for memory being formed in a living

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 1>animal by harassing larval zebrafish with laser beams. But before

0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 1>you get to that, let's talk about zebrafish as model organisms. Uy,

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:48.919
<v Speaker 1>tank fish. I'll tell you that they're very boring and

0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 1>they fade. The stripes fade. It's like then it's just

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>like a minnow, you know. Yeah, Well, anyway, a model organism,

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 1>not to be just totally derailed by Joe's feelings on

0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 1>zebra fish's tank. Fish UH is a non human species

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:05.960
<v Speaker 1>study to understand particular biological phenomena, with the expectation that

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 1>discoveries made in the model organism will provide insight into

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>the workings of other organisms. Zebrafish happen to make particularly

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:17.679
<v Speaker 1>good model organisms. I think that's like my fifth particularly

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:21.120
<v Speaker 1>in this UH episode of fish News. Anyway, being that

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:24.680
<v Speaker 1>they're you know, the zebra fish is easily modifiable, they

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>develop outside the womb, which is useful in observing that

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 1>stage of organism development, and they breed more prolifically than

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:34.200
<v Speaker 1>like mice, for example, So there's a lot of them

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>in there, you know. Anyway. Uh. The other thing about

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:41.439
<v Speaker 1>them is they're basically see through, which makes them particularly

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 1>that's number six, useful for making observations of their on

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>their vascular and nervous systems. Oh, this is great. This

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:52.439
<v Speaker 1>particular story is rooted in the ladder. Dude, I was

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:57.119
<v Speaker 1>writing horribly this week, Okay, onto harassing GMO zebrafish with

0:27:57.200 --> 0:28:00.080
<v Speaker 1>laser beams, scientists at USC you wanted to learn and

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>about the ways memories were formed and what physiological changes

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 1>occurred during that process. What they did was they exposed

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:09.160
<v Speaker 1>a twelve day old zebrafish to a light source, which

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 1>is a fancy way of saying they turned on a light.

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Then they heated the little zebra fish up with an

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>infrared laser, which the little fish found uncomfortable, at which

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:21.439
<v Speaker 1>point they would try to swim away to avoid the laser.

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:25.679
<v Speaker 1>The scientists trained the fish for five hours until the

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 1>fish had learned that when the light comes on, the

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 1>laser beam is closed behind it. Eventually, the fish would

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:32.880
<v Speaker 1>shake their little tails when the light came on, meaning

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:35.399
<v Speaker 1>they knew the laser beam was coming, meaning that they learned,

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 1>meaning that they developed a memory. Uh uh okay uh.

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>This was documented importantly with a special way of imaging

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>their brains. A problem with this kind of like micro imaging.

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the real term is, obviously, like

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:57.960
<v Speaker 1>my my comment about this being something I'm well versed

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 1>into the top of news was made in jest, but anyway,

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 1>the problem with this type of imagery is that the

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 1>scientists would often kill the fish with the photons used

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 1>to generate it um. Using a special microscope, they were

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 1>able to observe live fish, which was previously impossible. You

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>you pretty much had like one before or after. Right,

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 1>it was like here's the fish and was alive, here's

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 1>the fish being dead. Um. Now you can have like

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>a like a a linear before and after progression. And

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:31.400
<v Speaker 1>actually thinking about it, probably what you had was you

0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 1>had fish that were exposed to this thing, and we're

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>not exposed to this thing, and like not being the

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 1>same fish. One live fish, one dead fish, and you

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>try to parse the difference anyhow. Uh. Using that special

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 1>microscope and looking at living zebra fish and their little

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 1>fish brain, scientists discovered something interesting that instead of a

0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:52.600
<v Speaker 1>synaps is being strengthened during the making of the memory,

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 1>what actually happened is that some synapsis is, some synapsi

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>snaps and snapsis. As a some disappeared while others were

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>generated elsewhere in the brain, leaving scientists to a completely

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 1>new understanding of how a memory is formed. For the

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 1>last forty years, and this is a quote, for the

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>last forty years, the common wisdom was that you learned

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>by changing the strength of synapsis is snapses but it's

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>just synapses. I know, man, I know, it's just a

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>tough word. Man, sit down and let me finish the

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>new story. But that's not what we found in this case,

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 1>said Carl Kesselman, a computer scientist at us cry USCRBY.

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know either, Uh, thanks Joe. Anyhow, scientists think

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 1>this research could mean big progression in uh, in the

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>understanding of things like PTSD and why uh and why

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 1>those unpleasant associative memories seem so strong? So yeah, yeah,

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's a very cool study and it's very

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 1>cool technology, but I think I'm gonna I have no

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 1>choice but to strip it down to a more like

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 1>fishing base level. I think, um, what, Well, what this proves,

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 1>right is that fish have memories. And we all kind

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:16.720
<v Speaker 1>of knew that, right, but I mean, there it is

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 1>right in front of you. I mean, this study literally

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 1>watched a memory form in tiny fish. So like everybody

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 1>gets hung up on conditioning and pressure and it's like, oh,

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>we're all chasing these things with these ted little brains

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, but I mean there's sort of proof in

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 1>the pudding that, um, you know, fish are are are

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>smarter than we think. And what I looked at this

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 1>story briefly. I didn't grab it, thank god, because we

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>would have crossed over. But um, what came to mind

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 1>was literally just this past weekend, I took my son

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>out fishing for a little while, and there was this

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 1>pond that I found in this park where I was

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 1>looking for mushrooms last spring. Did not know it existed, right,

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 1>And I just kind of like tucked it away in

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 1>the back of my mind. And it's a cheesy little

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 1>pond with benches and stuff around it, and I just

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:06.720
<v Speaker 1>rolled in there with like a bunch of worms and

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:09.239
<v Speaker 1>and bobbers for him and dude. When I walked up

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 1>to that water and looked in, I was like, oh

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>my god, there are like thousands of the biggest dinner

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 1>plate bluegills I have ever seen in my life swimming

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>around these shallows, and this is going to be an

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>absolute slaughter. And every single bit of worm that went

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>in that water, they would rush it, stare at it,

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 1>and turn around and swim away. Bluegills we're talking about here,

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 1>which tells me these fish get the living ship pounded

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 1>out of them, like they are too exposed. And too

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>many people roll up to this tiny little park pond

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>and like, yeah, like to get one to eat, I

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 1>had to like take the bobber off and like fly

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>cast with two pound tests and like make sure the

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.240
<v Speaker 1>hook was hidden. And it was completely no fun for

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 1>my son because he just wants to catch the bomber

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 1>and have it go under. But point being like those

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 1>fish have learned something and retain something, So if nothing else,

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>this story proves that fish do have memories of the

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 1>bubblegum pink Sanko. You insist on throwing and don't understand

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>why it doesn't work anymore. Please enter your password. You

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 1>have one unheard message. Hey Joe, Hey Hayden, just figured

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 1>i'd give you a call. I've got a little bone

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>to pick with you two, and I'm actually speaking for

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Set as well. We do not catch, just just time

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>to drink a little wall eye here. We're catching mainly giants.

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Like last year in Fort pac Man we caught when

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I was purt near twelve pounds. Anyways, screw you guys,

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Wally are great. End of message, delete press seven save deleted.

0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 1>We actually have um man. There's a lot of common

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>threads between our stories today, UH, mostly that they are

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 1>dealing with uh small fish and technology that neither you

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:12.320
<v Speaker 1>or I truly understand. But I'm gonna go with anyway

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 1>because I found this interesting. Um. I think we all

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:19.399
<v Speaker 1>pretty much know what radio tagging or acoustic tagging is. Uh.

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:22.919
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty common in fisheries research these days, but much

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 1>of it is focused on larger Well, okay for those

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 1>of us that doesn't need a quick version. You implant

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 1>a a tag that emits a signal on either the

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 1>inside or outside of a fish, and that that transmits

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 1>data about where the fish swims and how deep it

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 1>dives and all that good stuff back to a satellite

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and then we collect the data on our

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:49.280
<v Speaker 1>lapity topities. Uh. Most notably, you can you can, actually

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 1>anybody can hop online and track great white sharks all

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 1>over the world that have been tagged. Um, do it

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 1>every time I go swimming. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, you

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.239
<v Speaker 1>look first exactly. Uh. I remember a long time ago

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:04.880
<v Speaker 1>we reported on how there was a sports book being

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.320
<v Speaker 1>created where you could like bet on where the sharks

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:10.880
<v Speaker 1>would pop up. Anyway, forget about the great whites, and

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about little itty bitty salmon. A team

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:19.760
<v Speaker 1>from the Pacific Northwest National laboratory has developed acoustic tags

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>smaller than a grain of rice, which is pretty impressive,

0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>and they've been implanting them in juvenile chinook salmon throughout

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 1>the Pacific Northwest. I love like grain of rice as

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 1>a standard unit of measuring. Yeah, but very expensive Bosmati

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 1>ship you get in whole foods. I mean it's a

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:49.359
<v Speaker 1>long grain alright, Seroni is delicious anyway. Uh, So there's

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>a very specific purpose for this um. And then similar

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.839
<v Speaker 1>to the research in your story, right, this can be

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 1>useful all over the world. It's not, it's not focused

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 1>just on this one thing. But the Juvenile Salmon Acoustic

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Telemetry System collects the data from these tags to study

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 1>how juvenile salmon running back down stream to the ocean

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 1>modify their behavior as they approach a dam, and then

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:18.640
<v Speaker 1>how they navigate through those dams. So praer the story

0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:22.279
<v Speaker 1>from op b dot org. Uh. Juvenile salmon generally have

0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.319
<v Speaker 1>four options where they encounter or damn. Right, they can

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:29.760
<v Speaker 1>use the specially designed juvenile Fish Bypass system in place

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 1>on dams throughout the Pacific Northwest. They can run the

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:36.400
<v Speaker 1>gauntlet and go right through the turbines. They can plummet

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 1>over the spill way or go over the less harsh

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:44.719
<v Speaker 1>surface spill way, and that last one there, as I understand,

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:48.320
<v Speaker 1>it means that the water is spilling, if this makes sense,

0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:50.880
<v Speaker 1>at the same surface level as the water behind it

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 1>versus the regular spill way, where the fish would sort

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 1>of have to like fall down a few flights of

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.399
<v Speaker 1>stairs and then get spit out the other side. It's

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 1>like jumping off a cliff or falling down an escalator

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.399
<v Speaker 1>and then falling off a slightly shorter cliff. So those

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 1>are kind of the difference. It's like one shot or

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 1>a little torture on the way. Anyway, It goes without

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 1>saying that the information on how the majority of these

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:14.880
<v Speaker 1>fish are getting through the dam is valuable. As the

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 1>story points out, collecting this kind of data to prove,

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, or disprove different hypothesis without acoustic tags would

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:24.440
<v Speaker 1>take a very long time to be very costly. They

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 1>note that these tags can be implanted in baby salmon

0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 1>very quickly with little stress, in most cases, with just

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:34.839
<v Speaker 1>one or two suitures. So as the fish approached the damn,

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 1>scientists collect information on um where the fish are swimming,

0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 1>how long it takes them to pass through the dam,

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 1>which route they're following, and if they survive. So I'm

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:47.320
<v Speaker 1>curious any guests from you on on which of those

0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 1>options the fish take most of the time through the dam,

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:54.320
<v Speaker 1>whether it be the built in salmon bypass, the uh

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:58.279
<v Speaker 1>steep fall, or the short tumultuous fall or right through

0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the turbines UM six to seventy maybe of like the

0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:06.800
<v Speaker 1>young salmon pass over the tops of damns through surface spills.

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 1>What did you just google that? Because that's like the

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 1>next thing that I'm going to say. You just cheat

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:15.800
<v Speaker 1>it somehow because you're a dick. Yes, that's for ruining

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:21.880
<v Speaker 1>my guests earlier, Joe. So far, the studies have found

0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 1>the young salmon pass over the tops through the surface spills,

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:28.160
<v Speaker 1>meaning the spillway that's spilling from the same level as

0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the water behind it. UM. So the direct dive off

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 1>the cliff instead of falling down some stairs first is

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:37.719
<v Speaker 1>the main way. And while that sounds harsh, the acoustic

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 1>tags are also proving that most of those salmon survived

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:43.760
<v Speaker 1>that drop, they are doing well on the other side.

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:47.359
<v Speaker 1>So if you think about this UM, that means in

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 1>this case less than half of the fish are using

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 1>the special bypass hamster mays put in place for them

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:58.319
<v Speaker 1>to use, which I suppose begs the question of of

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:02.320
<v Speaker 1>do you actually need those or do you just top

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 1>spill more? Um, there's no answer right now, but these

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:07.640
<v Speaker 1>are the kinds of questions the study hopes to answer

0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:11.760
<v Speaker 1>and apply to damns the world over for all different

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 1>species of fish. Damn, that's a good news story, Joe, Damn,

0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:20.920
<v Speaker 1>is it not? M hm? You know what, like my

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 1>favorite but oft unheralded version of of fish transportation is

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 1>what is that? I'm a fan of the salmon cannon. Man,

0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:33.040
<v Speaker 1>you ever see that the salmon cannon? Yeah, I've seen

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 1>the salmon cannon. Salmon cannon is pretty good. I mean,

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 1>if you guys don't know what like the salmon cannon is.

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Basically it's like I don't know, actually like the actual

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>like prevalence of biologists transporting salmon in that way. But

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:53.319
<v Speaker 1>it's basically like they load it's like a man gun.

0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:57.400
<v Speaker 1>They just swim in And no, that's not quite like that.

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 1>The funnier the biologist load these uh you know, these

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 1>salmon up into what appears to be like flexible piping,

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.400
<v Speaker 1>and like they kind of go through this vacuum system.

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:09.759
<v Speaker 1>And they even like have videos of these things being

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:12.920
<v Speaker 1>backlet where you can see like just this perfect silhouette

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:17.280
<v Speaker 1>of a salmon like snaking through this like large rubber pipe. Anyhow,

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 1>it takes them from one spot, puts them in another spot.

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:21.839
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if you have you ever seen

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:25.359
<v Speaker 1>like those videos of that being slight spliced to like

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:27.719
<v Speaker 1>somebody getting hit in the hitting the side of the

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 1>head with an Asian carp. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's it's

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:34.480
<v Speaker 1>it's it's TikTok just got all over that. You know,

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 1>the technology out there to move salmon. I appreciate it

0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 1>very much, whether it be the salmon cannon or like

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:43.400
<v Speaker 1>building better damns if that's really a thing. And but

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like, man, we can get all these people together

0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 1>to do that, Like, can can Pennsylvania get enough volunteers

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 1>to float stock instead of just dumping them off the bridge?

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Like can we just get like a couple like retired

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 1>kids to just float stocks and trouts so they're in

0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the hole. I remember when I was a kid. Anyway, Um,

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Phil and I the science guy. He's got some picks

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:06.759
<v Speaker 1>this week. Zebra fish that think or um grains of

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:10.800
<v Speaker 1>rice Serrouni stuffed in juvenile Salmon. We're gonna we're gonna

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.719
<v Speaker 1>hear from Phil. We're gonna get his judgment and then um,

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.600
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do a sale bin. That that brings to

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.800
<v Speaker 1>mind one of my favorite hip hop songs, Pistol Grip Pump,

0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:26.040
<v Speaker 1>which is on my lap at all times. Joe. This

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:30.240
<v Speaker 1>week on The Winner, that's right, Phil is h Phills

0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:33.400
<v Speaker 1>down working in Texas. So I'm editing the podcast this

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:35.319
<v Speaker 1>week and there's not a damn thing anybody can do

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:39.080
<v Speaker 1>about it. Why did you put the hand to pay?

0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 1>You don't know what I'm getting? Man? What you didn't

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 1>have to be so hurtful with me? So angry? All right?

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 1>This week in the sale Bin, we uh we have

0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:49.279
<v Speaker 1>a doozy and you know you know what else? Man?

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I I believe this is actually the first ever sale

0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:57.359
<v Speaker 1>band that I'm leading off made could surely remember, might

0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 1>be yeah? Anyhow, This one was submitted by listen ner Derek,

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.200
<v Speaker 1>and we're not going to use his last name here

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 1>because I don't want the guy who posted the listing

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 1>he submitted like like tracking him down. Well, if you're yeah,

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:11.480
<v Speaker 1>and if you're wondering why that would even be a thing.

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:13.919
<v Speaker 1>Just hang on, hang tight, because you're gonna you're gonna

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:15.799
<v Speaker 1>find out. We're gonna get there in a second. So

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:20.040
<v Speaker 1>this is either criminal or the Listers easily the most

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 1>degenerate angler of the degenerate anglers. And this is very

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.719
<v Speaker 1>little to do with the items being sold and more

0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:28.960
<v Speaker 1>with the items that happened to be in the picture

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:32.239
<v Speaker 1>attached to the listing. Yeah, yeah, like you said, right,

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 1>this is either a degenerate fly tire or a degenerate

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.359
<v Speaker 1>who robbed a fly tire at gunpoint and is now

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 1>trying to flip based stash um of stolen materials. The

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:44.279
<v Speaker 1>broader point here is sometimes it's not even the thing,

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 1>it's the surroundings in the photo anyway, why at gunpoint

0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.360
<v Speaker 1>you ask, Well, we're gonna get to that, but first,

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 1>let's let's just tell him about the rest of the

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 1>photo before we get to those juicy bits. Okay, So

0:42:56.600 --> 0:43:00.359
<v Speaker 1>the photo is like, I don't even know how this

0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:02.720
<v Speaker 1>was staged. First off, it's a photo fly time material,

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 1>that's what the dude is selling. And it's kind of

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:08.040
<v Speaker 1>spread out on a bed, but not just any bed,

0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:13.840
<v Speaker 1>like a dirty mattress with a single stained fitted sheet

0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 1>on it. The mattress is on the floor, like you

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:19.200
<v Speaker 1>remember that Joe, You remember that like gross stoner buddy

0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:21.799
<v Speaker 1>in college who would trash all around his room and

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 1>just got that just had that grosty mattress on the floor. Yeah. Yeah,

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 1>it's that guy exactly exactly. And man, yeah, it has

0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:32.520
<v Speaker 1>all the hallmarks of stonerism because if you look around

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 1>the peripheries of the photo, um, you've got like all

0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 1>the usual suspects. Okay, is dirty laundry. It is an

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:41.800
<v Speaker 1>extremely dirty floor, like if you walked on it barefoot,

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.880
<v Speaker 1>like it would be disgusting. Um, there's outside furniture inside

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:48.799
<v Speaker 1>that's always a big one. Yeah you know what I mean,

0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Like if the Walmart lawn chair is also the TV

0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:56.279
<v Speaker 1>chair you know, um, big gulp, big gulp on the nightstand.

0:43:56.480 --> 0:44:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, oh, big gulps. Huh one of the never

0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and I would say it's it's full of like cigarette ash,

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>except for the fact that there's like an ash tray

0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:08.719
<v Speaker 1>on the decrepit old coffee table there, right, yeah, and

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:10.719
<v Speaker 1>you know there was mountain dew in that anyway, Yes,

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:12.880
<v Speaker 1>we got the ashtray on the old coffee table. Snack

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Rappers the whole deal. Um. I mean it's your stoner

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 1>buddy Dave's house, who always had enough money to like,

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, just fund his hobbies, but no full vocation,

0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 1>you know what his hobbies. Yeah, except it's even worse

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:27.520
<v Speaker 1>than that, because when your buddy in college might have

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:30.799
<v Speaker 1>just been stoned out of his mind. Uh, this guy

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:32.840
<v Speaker 1>seems to be just regular out of his mind or

0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 1>perhaps criminally out of his mind. And Joe, why do

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 1>we think that, man? Because because right there in frame

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:44.800
<v Speaker 1>and by the way, we're gonna post this on Instagram,

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:47.480
<v Speaker 1>but this this was totally cropable, Like this didn't have

0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 1>to happen. You could have cropped in on the materials

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:53.320
<v Speaker 1>for sale. Um, but I don't know why he didn't

0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:55.759
<v Speaker 1>just crop this all together. Anyway, Right there in the

0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 1>frame is what appears to be like a straight up

0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 1>fucking sawed off shotgun, like legit as sawed off shotgun

0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that looks like rusty and weathered. It's weird, dude. I

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:12.400
<v Speaker 1>know you can buy like pistol grip pumps that have

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 1>enough barrel length to be legal, but uh, in my

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:18.759
<v Speaker 1>semi expert opinion, is someone who has messed around with

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:22.279
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of shotguns in my life. This is

0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:26.920
<v Speaker 1>not that. In the words of UFC President Dana White,

0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:30.799
<v Speaker 1>that's illegal. Yeah, indeed it is. I'm gonna back you

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:34.600
<v Speaker 1>up on that. Uh. Look, the listing isn't really that

0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 1>remarkable outside from the excellent photos. It just says fly

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 1>tying twelve hundred dollars. I mean that's kind of remarkable

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:45.040
<v Speaker 1>because it's just a bunch of threatened ship willing to

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 1>sell separately priced and gootiable uh used like new, which

0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:50.840
<v Speaker 1>is which is actually good because there's no way what

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:56.280
<v Speaker 1>he's selling is worth first of all. Uh, mostly everything

0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:59.720
<v Speaker 1>is inside an old school three tiered plane oh tackle box,

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's not like a ton of stuff. This

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 1>is not like you're buying like lefty craze tying materials,

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Yeah, And like you said,

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 1>it's mostly thread and wired. To be fair, it's a

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.799
<v Speaker 1>it's a pretty legit selection of thread and wire. But

0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.839
<v Speaker 1>it also looks ancient. So like the used like new

0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:19.200
<v Speaker 1>tag is dubious at best. Uh. Maybe this is a

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:22.360
<v Speaker 1>good time to remind folks that replace your tying thread

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:26.360
<v Speaker 1>like semi regularly, Otherwise you're going to have some shitty

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:30.000
<v Speaker 1>experiences with with flies coming undone there. That is true.

0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:32.279
<v Speaker 1>That is that is a good tip right there. You

0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:33.640
<v Speaker 1>know what I was thinking? You know what? This also

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.319
<v Speaker 1>looks like This looks like a scene like this looks

0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:38.080
<v Speaker 1>like a photo that could have been taken in like

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Buffalo Bill's house, Like if there was a death's head

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:43.480
<v Speaker 1>moth on the bed next to the flying materials, like

0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 1>it would have been right out of silence of the lamp. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:49.439
<v Speaker 1>this is where somebody goes get murdered anyway. It's It's

0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:52.360
<v Speaker 1>also not like they're like like hackle capes or whatever.

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:56.560
<v Speaker 1>It's mostly just that thread, some bucket, pretty threat, the

0:46:56.560 --> 0:47:02.560
<v Speaker 1>guys selling threat some Zonker strips, like all inexpensive items.

0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:05.480
<v Speaker 1>So we know it'ss But how much do you think

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 1>you'd be willing to pay for all that fly goodness? Man? Uh?

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:14.280
<v Speaker 1>How much? I don't know, fifty bucks? Because this seems

0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:15.839
<v Speaker 1>like the kind of guy Like if I, like, if

0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I like bumped into this dude to saw this and

0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:20.799
<v Speaker 1>he was trying to like sound, I'd be like, I'll

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 1>give you bucks, and I don't. Is it weird to

0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:26.920
<v Speaker 1>say he'd he'd probably take it. It doesn't make the

0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 1>photo like he would take He would take it. He

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:33.359
<v Speaker 1>needs forty bucks and he needs it. You would have

0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 1>to pay me more than this was worth to even

0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:41.720
<v Speaker 1>go there and get this stuff, Like this isn't Jerry

0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:43.719
<v Speaker 1>with a cup of tea, right, Yeah. And I think

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are either scared off by the

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:49.880
<v Speaker 1>price tag or the implications of what might happen should

0:47:49.880 --> 0:47:53.759
<v Speaker 1>you get there and try to negotiate, which explain I

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:55.560
<v Speaker 1>think maybe that's why he's in there. I think that's

0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.800
<v Speaker 1>why the shotguns in there. He's trying to dissuade negotiation.

0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:02.160
<v Speaker 1>This it could be. I mean, regardless, it's sketchy, and

0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:04.720
<v Speaker 1>like that's why it's been there for three months. Well again,

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 1>not to pass judgment, but like if you knew where

0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 1>this guy live, I just keep an eye on the

0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:09.799
<v Speaker 1>curb because this seems like the kind of thing that

0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:12.000
<v Speaker 1>like eventually he just chuck out there, you know what

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean. So it's sketchy. It's sketch um, you know.

0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:19.920
<v Speaker 1>And I've been known to drive like hours for a

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:22.719
<v Speaker 1>bargain and meet up with like some folks I don't

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 1>really know too well if there was like a good

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 1>deal on some gear, but even I would shy away

0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:31.759
<v Speaker 1>from this like price notwithstanding. Yeah, and it would be

0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 1>it would be a hard pass for me too. I

0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 1>don't know, like i've I've I've had some dabblings and

0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:39.400
<v Speaker 1>used fly material. I've never bought them. But there's been

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 1>a few times when like a friend of the family,

0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:43.719
<v Speaker 1>like you know, somebody passes away and they tied a

0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:45.920
<v Speaker 1>little or something. It's like do you want this stuff?

0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 1>And you know, yeah, you end up with all these

0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 1>hackles and caps and stuff that like you look at

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:52.719
<v Speaker 1>them and they turned to dust, you know what I mean. Like,

0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:55.400
<v Speaker 1>So I don't, I don't. I haven't really dabbled that

0:48:55.480 --> 0:49:00.319
<v Speaker 1>much there anyway, Derek, uh last name excluded. Thanks for

0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:02.400
<v Speaker 1>sending us in And if you come across a similar

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 1>listing or something else you'd like us to highlight on

0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the sale bin, go ahead and uh email us a

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 1>link at bent at the mediator dot com. And if

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:11.520
<v Speaker 1>you're in p A and decide that this particular bargain

0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:13.840
<v Speaker 1>might be for you, make sure to text me or

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:16.800
<v Speaker 1>hated with your location. Uh, you know if you're meeting

0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:19.279
<v Speaker 1>this guy, and uh, what time we should call the

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:23.520
<v Speaker 1>cops if we haven't heard from you that sale bin

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:26.960
<v Speaker 1>reminded me of a contender from many moons ago that

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:30.120
<v Speaker 1>we never ran, honestly because I just couldn't think of

0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:32.760
<v Speaker 1>enough to say about it to cover an entire segment.

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:35.560
<v Speaker 1>But a listener sent it in. Um and it was

0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:38.279
<v Speaker 1>a guy, you know, Caroline as I believe, selling a

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:39.920
<v Speaker 1>bait canon. You know what that is? You ever seen

0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:42.640
<v Speaker 1>one of those? Dude? Yeah? I love those things, man,

0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:46.319
<v Speaker 1>particularly because like when I was a when I was

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 1>a kid, we used to build like PVC potato cannons

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:51.239
<v Speaker 1>all the time. Oh yeah yeah yeah, and this is

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:54.839
<v Speaker 1>just one of those with like legit utility. Yeah. So

0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:56.799
<v Speaker 1>this guy, this was not a homemade job or this

0:49:56.880 --> 0:50:01.080
<v Speaker 1>was like the expensive, you know, aluminum bait canon. Um so.

0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:03.360
<v Speaker 1>And it was a very short description. It's just like

0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:06.400
<v Speaker 1>bait cannon five bucks or whatever. But there was only

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:10.040
<v Speaker 1>one photo of the bait cannon on his lawn. But

0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:12.840
<v Speaker 1>his giant dog, which I think was a boxer, is

0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:17.200
<v Speaker 1>taking a huge steamy shit right next to the bait

0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:20.760
<v Speaker 1>cannon that is for sale. Like this giant curling turd

0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:24.200
<v Speaker 1>is falling out of the dog's ass like within inches

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:28.719
<v Speaker 1>of the item, and it's just like take another photo, man,

0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:31.759
<v Speaker 1>Like digital photography is free. Like you can't say that

0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 1>you didn't notice that. You know, it's funny because we

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 1>sit here and we analyze all this ship. But the

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 1>truth is, I just don't think people care. I don't.

0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:41.880
<v Speaker 1>They really don't. I'm certain the guy who took the

0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:44.239
<v Speaker 1>photo for today's sale Ben never gave the surrounding of

0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:46.840
<v Speaker 1>thought cared then or will care now if he here's

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:50.239
<v Speaker 1>this no, which which he won't. But you know what,

0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:53.160
<v Speaker 1>we we hear uh you, we hear you and your

0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:56.560
<v Speaker 1>questions bent listeners. So to take this episode full circle

0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:58.920
<v Speaker 1>to the start, where we touched on the existence of

0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:02.439
<v Speaker 1>a perfect being or bait casting rod, let's chat about

0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 1>whether such a thing exists in the fly world. In

0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:10.520
<v Speaker 1>today's installment of the bent Helpline, what are you laughing at, Marktini?

0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:14.239
<v Speaker 1>You're not an idiot, You're not a gamblooning hell boy.

0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:22.640
<v Speaker 1>You're a fisherman. What's your emergency? All right? So, this

0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:26.800
<v Speaker 1>week on the bent Helpline, we are hearing from Ryan

0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Glarno a k A. Crayola munches on a great handle,

0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:38.839
<v Speaker 1>Great handle, Love to know more Kariola munchies on the Instagram?

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:43.280
<v Speaker 1>He asks, been fishing all my life, but never fly fished.

0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:46.799
<v Speaker 1>What would be the best way to start? Now? I

0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:50.400
<v Speaker 1>got some thoughts on this job, But why don't you? No, no, no,

0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:54.480
<v Speaker 1>you go first, go ahead? What are your so? Um?

0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:58.239
<v Speaker 1>I have? I guess I've been in this position more

0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:02.040
<v Speaker 1>recently than you beginner fly rod first off? Right, Like,

0:52:02.080 --> 0:52:06.080
<v Speaker 1>don't go out buying like a crazy nine rod because

0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:08.359
<v Speaker 1>like that's what you think you need to be good

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:11.480
<v Speaker 1>a rod or just even like you know, a more

0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:16.520
<v Speaker 1>upper echelon rod has its place. But I don't know

0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:18.319
<v Speaker 1>about you, Joe, but like I don't feel like that's

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:21.640
<v Speaker 1>something that I was really able to appreciate until I

0:52:21.680 --> 0:52:25.400
<v Speaker 1>was like far enough along in my like fly fishing trajector.

0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:29.360
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly right. That's like getting your your learners permit

0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:31.759
<v Speaker 1>when you're sixteen and somebody putting you in like a

0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:34.680
<v Speaker 1>BMW sports car, Like you don't know how to drive

0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:37.600
<v Speaker 1>the Corolla yet? So are you really going to appreciate

0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:40.399
<v Speaker 1>the difference? Um? And I agree with everything you just said.

0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:42.839
<v Speaker 1>People ask me all the time, you know similar, like

0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:45.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm I want to start or set up? What what

0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:49.000
<v Speaker 1>brand do you recommend? And truth be told, my answer

0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:52.120
<v Speaker 1>is always figure out what your price range is for

0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:54.719
<v Speaker 1>the rod and real combo, and then pick the one

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:58.719
<v Speaker 1>that you like aesthetically, because really, I think if you're

0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:02.240
<v Speaker 1>looking at fly rod in real combos in in similar

0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:05.560
<v Speaker 1>price ranges, I mean I haven't fished them all, so

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I can't like say, well this one is better, and

0:53:08.719 --> 0:53:12.480
<v Speaker 1>is there really a terrible fly rod anymore? And in

0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:15.960
<v Speaker 1>any in any price range, especially if you don't know

0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:18.879
<v Speaker 1>the difference, if you don't know how to cast yet

0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:22.480
<v Speaker 1>at all, you will learn just fine on whether it's

0:53:22.480 --> 0:53:26.160
<v Speaker 1>an Echo orvis what whatever sort of budget lower end

0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:28.480
<v Speaker 1>brand you can afford. And if you stick with it,

0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:30.840
<v Speaker 1>like you said, someday, if you pony up for the

0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:35.360
<v Speaker 1>nine job or then you'll be like, oh now, I see,

0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 1>But there's no point in jumping to that. Yeah. Um,

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:40.480
<v Speaker 1>you know if you want a specific like combo that

0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I like a lot, uh, And I this doesn't interfere

0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:45.800
<v Speaker 1>with thirteen. I don't think they don't make fly rods,

0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:50.600
<v Speaker 1>and not at all the orbs clear Water combo. I

0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:52.840
<v Speaker 1>think it's great because it comes with your line, it

0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:55.680
<v Speaker 1>comes with your real uh, it comes with your rod.

0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I think it even comes with some leader material. But

0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I remember I had gotten a girlfriend one of those

0:54:03.440 --> 0:54:07.080
<v Speaker 1>at a at one point in time, man and I

0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:10.560
<v Speaker 1>fished that thing for a while and it was great.

0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:13.799
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, even somebody who knows something about it, Man,

0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:15.839
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was totally sufficient. So yeah, I mean

0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I've said I've said this before and I'll reiterate it.

0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:22.200
<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, Um, you can either cast a fly

0:54:22.320 --> 0:54:25.480
<v Speaker 1>rod or you can't. There is no such thing as

0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:28.640
<v Speaker 1>a fly rod that is going to really make your

0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:31.640
<v Speaker 1>cast better. There's not. There's not. So even if you're

0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the guy who's got rod in thirty years of experience,

0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:37.480
<v Speaker 1>if somebody's like, hey, dude, your only option today is

0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:40.160
<v Speaker 1>this orvis clear water, you will get by and cast

0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:44.359
<v Speaker 1>just five. So I have done. It's this. It's it's

0:54:44.400 --> 0:54:48.040
<v Speaker 1>the skill, not the not the tool. I'm you know. Yeah. Anyhow, Um,

0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:51.239
<v Speaker 1>so that's like your rig. Next I would identify what

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:55.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of species you were going after primarily and number

0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:58.279
<v Speaker 1>one by the rod. That's like conducive to that. Can

0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I can? I can? I can I add a little

0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:02.799
<v Speaker 1>caveat to that because what I also see people say,

0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:04.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, because that's what I'll ask, well, what are

0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:07.080
<v Speaker 1>you fishing for? And a lot of times you get

0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:12.080
<v Speaker 1>well trout mostly but sometimes carp an occasionally small mouth

0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:17.319
<v Speaker 1>and the thing the thing for people to remember, which

0:55:17.360 --> 0:55:19.680
<v Speaker 1>has has shocked a few people. I'm like, you don't

0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:23.719
<v Speaker 1>necessarily match your rotten reel to what you're fishing as

0:55:23.800 --> 0:55:26.240
<v Speaker 1>much as the flies you have to throw to catch

0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that thing. So, I mean, a nine ft five weight

0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:33.759
<v Speaker 1>fly rod with floating line is is what you would

0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:38.359
<v Speaker 1>call the basic middle of the road. Um, if you're

0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:40.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna throw a bread fly thirty pound carp though, you

0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:44.040
<v Speaker 1>might not want that one though, so you know, yeah,

0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:46.680
<v Speaker 1>let me let me throw a caveat to that. Yeah,

0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:49.719
<v Speaker 1>if you're going for like a trout centric approach or

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:52.640
<v Speaker 1>like a smaller scale fish approach, I would definitely say

0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the nine ft five. If you thought you might primarily

0:55:55.520 --> 0:55:59.840
<v Speaker 1>be going after like, uh, small mouth and you know

0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:03.200
<v Speaker 1>fish like that, I would say bump up to a six,

0:56:03.400 --> 0:56:06.360
<v Speaker 1>six or seven. But but I mean, that's that's the problem.

0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:08.239
<v Speaker 1>You know that you have a five weight rod and

0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:11.120
<v Speaker 1>it does, it does stuff that you wanted to do,

0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:13.239
<v Speaker 1>and then it's like, oh, I'm gonna throw some hair

0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:16.000
<v Speaker 1>bugs for some large mouth today. Now it's not gonna

0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:18.680
<v Speaker 1>turn over it's not gonna it's and and it's it's

0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:22.000
<v Speaker 1>not that you can't fight a ten pound large mouth

0:56:22.040 --> 0:56:23.880
<v Speaker 1>on a five weight fly rod. You're gonna have a

0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:27.160
<v Speaker 1>hell of a time delivering that fly. Because fly fishing

0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:31.440
<v Speaker 1>is a system, the line, the rod, everything has to

0:56:31.480 --> 0:56:34.439
<v Speaker 1>come together and and be in harmony to turn over,

0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:37.520
<v Speaker 1>flip over, and present. The size of the fly based

0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:41.000
<v Speaker 1>on how air resistant they are, how heavy they are. Um.

0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:42.640
<v Speaker 1>But all that said, it's kind of getting in the

0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:44.600
<v Speaker 1>weeds because I do believe anybody who wants to get

0:56:44.600 --> 0:56:46.920
<v Speaker 1>into this should just forget the big fish dreams for

0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:49.040
<v Speaker 1>a while and just get yourself a nine ft five

0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:50.840
<v Speaker 1>weight and learn how to cast it. If you're catching

0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:53.880
<v Speaker 1>pan fish and trout, learn that and then and then

0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:57.959
<v Speaker 1>worry about it from there. That's my okay. So that's

0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:01.879
<v Speaker 1>like your your your basic you know, line reel rod

0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:03.919
<v Speaker 1>set up. And by the way, don't buy an expensive reel,

0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:06.680
<v Speaker 1>particularly if you're like just going for like trout and

0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:10.600
<v Speaker 1>bass is just a line holder. Man. If you're going

0:57:10.640 --> 0:57:14.560
<v Speaker 1>for like steelhead, yeah, if like that for some reason,

0:57:14.600 --> 0:57:17.080
<v Speaker 1>that's where you decide to dip your toe into fly fishing.

0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:20.360
<v Speaker 1>You want some good drag then because it's gonna pull yeah.

0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Um okay. So now like tactic wise or like general

0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:28.040
<v Speaker 1>approach wise, um, I would say, like start in a

0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:33.120
<v Speaker 1>high probability time of year and fish the same areas

0:57:33.360 --> 0:57:35.360
<v Speaker 1>you would as if you were conventional fishing. And what

0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean by that is like, if you have a

0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:42.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of experience flipping I don't know, you know, just

0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:47.080
<v Speaker 1>three in grubs underdocks right on your conventional setup, do

0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:49.960
<v Speaker 1>the same ship. Just do it with do it with

0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:52.120
<v Speaker 1>like a bunny leach or something. Well, let me jump in.

0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Well here's what I would do. Go buy you go

0:57:53.960 --> 0:57:57.480
<v Speaker 1>buy your nine foot five weight, put basically any fly

0:57:57.640 --> 0:57:59.600
<v Speaker 1>that you have on it, whether it's a dryer or nymph,

0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:03.320
<v Speaker 1>and go to the easiest bluegill pond you know of

0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:06.680
<v Speaker 1>where all the kids go with with zero ship in

0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:09.360
<v Speaker 1>the way of your back cast, like preferably of a

0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:12.640
<v Speaker 1>pond in the middle of a wide open Nebraska field

0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:16.240
<v Speaker 1>would be good. And even if you have graduated from

0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:20.320
<v Speaker 1>that long ago, uh, catch a bunch of bluegills, because

0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:22.960
<v Speaker 1>you take the mystery of fly selection right out of it.

0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:25.400
<v Speaker 1>They'll eat any nymph for any dry or any tiny

0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:28.160
<v Speaker 1>popper you put out there. And um, you're gonna learn

0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:29.600
<v Speaker 1>how to set the hook with a fly rod. You're

0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:31.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna learn how to fight a fish with a fly rod,

0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:33.920
<v Speaker 1>because quite often too you don't ever touch the reel.

0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:36.760
<v Speaker 1>You strip your fish in by hand. Um, and you're

0:58:36.760 --> 0:58:38.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna learn how to present. You're gonna learn how to

0:58:38.520 --> 0:58:41.720
<v Speaker 1>cast far. You're gonna learn how to cast close blue gills.

0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Man like kind of go back to the beginning. Yeah, yeah,

0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:49.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, and adopt the mindset of, like a true beginner,

0:58:49.520 --> 0:58:52.080
<v Speaker 1>have your goal be to catch a fish. It doesn't

0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:54.640
<v Speaker 1>matter what fish that is, it doesn't matter how big

0:58:54.680 --> 0:58:58.600
<v Speaker 1>it is, and really try and learn from that. Um,

0:58:58.640 --> 0:59:02.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, take notes on what works and like what doesn't,

0:59:02.800 --> 0:59:07.200
<v Speaker 1>and above all else, don't put yourself in technical situations

0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:10.520
<v Speaker 1>right away. Do stuff where like a good cast will

0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:14.600
<v Speaker 1>be rewarded with like a blue guilt hitting your hitting

0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:17.640
<v Speaker 1>your fly. Don't like, you know, try and catch a

0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:20.880
<v Speaker 1>trophy brown trout. Yeah, and I think the way to

0:59:20.920 --> 0:59:22.560
<v Speaker 1>step up and you kind of alluded to that with

0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:25.320
<v Speaker 1>your flipping docks references. You know, once you get a

0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:30.160
<v Speaker 1>little bit comfortable, um, you know, devote a day to

0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:32.560
<v Speaker 1>going out. Don't bring your spinning rod, just take your

0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:34.400
<v Speaker 1>fly rod, no matter what happens. And when you put

0:59:34.440 --> 0:59:37.440
<v Speaker 1>yourself in positions where you've you've you've gear fished before.

0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:42.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean really, every time I'm out with a fly rod,

0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, you know, how do I present this like

0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:49.200
<v Speaker 1>gear or vice versa. Like they're sort of interchangeable in

0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:50.960
<v Speaker 1>a way. So if you look at the situation, go

0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:53.480
<v Speaker 1>normally I would throw a panther Martin right here, and

0:59:53.520 --> 0:59:55.320
<v Speaker 1>I would put it over there, and I'd move it

0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:59.120
<v Speaker 1>this way. Just try to emulate that with what's in

0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:01.200
<v Speaker 1>your fly box, whether it's a little zonker or a

1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:05.280
<v Speaker 1>little muddler. Um. Again, it all goes back to like

1:00:05.400 --> 1:00:09.160
<v Speaker 1>everybody thinks there's this huge disconnect between fly and gear,

1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:12.360
<v Speaker 1>there's no disconnect at all. You're doing the same thing

1:00:12.720 --> 1:00:15.680
<v Speaker 1>with different tools. No, and and just remember, man, you're learning.

1:00:15.800 --> 1:00:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Have fun. You know you said you've been fishing your

1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:21.600
<v Speaker 1>entire life. Man Um, the learning curve isn't going to

1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:24.280
<v Speaker 1>be as steep as some folks might want you to believe.

1:00:24.960 --> 1:00:27.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, just let it be what it is. Have

1:00:27.480 --> 1:00:30.200
<v Speaker 1>a good time, man, you'll catch fish, and if you don't,

1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:33.200
<v Speaker 1>right in again, we'll tell you how you're messing it up. Yes,

1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:35.480
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna say, let us know how it goes. And

1:00:36.560 --> 1:00:38.640
<v Speaker 1>we enjoy this segment a lot, So please keep all

1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:41.000
<v Speaker 1>these great questions coming because we love answering them. And

1:00:41.040 --> 1:00:43.160
<v Speaker 1>now you can send those two Bent at the meat

1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:53.479
<v Speaker 1>eater dot com best of luck Crayola munches. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>it for this week. Hey, please don't forget if you're

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