Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. That both parties need a separation here. But
Speaker 1: for that to happen, I think Ben Simmons has to
Speaker 1: show that he can play basketball. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's going to be any better. I don't know what
Speaker 1: happens the first time he has that wide open three,
Speaker 1: or the first time that he goes to the free
Speaker 1: throw line, or he's going to the hoop and doesn't
Speaker 1: want to get fouled so he passes it off. And
Speaker 1: how the seventy six are crowd really reacts, how does
Speaker 1: Joe l Embiid react, How does Doc Rivers react? I
Speaker 1: still think they want to trade him. The question is
Speaker 1: what can they get and when do they trade him?
Speaker 1: But I think it's really imperative that Ben Simmons proves
Speaker 1: he can play basketball, because right now I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to trade for him because it feels like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: twenty five. He's acting like a twenty five year old.
Speaker 1: Hey stop criticizing me. And then when you criticize that,
Speaker 1: you know I want to get out of here. No,
Speaker 1: how about you just get better? And yes the criticism hurts,
Speaker 1: but you're the one that brings on the criticism. You're
Speaker 1: the one that you know, how much time you putting in,
Speaker 1: how much do you really want to get better? And
Speaker 1: this sense of entitlement. I don't want that on my team.
Speaker 1: I think he's got to prove it he can be
Speaker 1: a good team player and play hard and do other things,
Speaker 1: because right now it's such an odd body language that
Speaker 1: you see with that team in that player Kyrie. Whatever
Speaker 1: Kyrie decides to do, whenever he decides to do it.
Speaker 1: If he decides he's going to sit out this season, great,
Speaker 1: he made his decision. The NBA will move on, The
Speaker 1: nets will move on. The Nets will still be listed
Speaker 1: his favorites to win the NBA title even without Kyrie Irving?
Speaker 1: Does Kyrie wait a couple of months, what happens in
Speaker 1: New York City? Does something change where he can come
Speaker 1: back and play? But in the meantime, your two storylines,
Speaker 1: it feels like going into tonight have to do with
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons is there sort of and Kyrie's on. Now
Speaker 1: we can extrapolate and go, oh, you got the Lakers
Speaker 1: with Russell Westbrook and yeah you do. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: how how physical is the toll going to be on
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis. Can he hold up Lebron James Russell Westbrook's role?
Speaker 1: Did they you know they have depth there, Dwight Howard, Carmelo, Anthony.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a fascinating experiment that they have as
Speaker 1: far as you know, Utah or Denver. What do they
Speaker 1: learn from last year? Phoenix? Are they going to be
Speaker 1: there again? This Golden State have another run in them?
Speaker 1: Then you have the Bucks basically brought everybody back, which
Speaker 1: is not sexy. You don't get clicks when you bring
Speaker 1: everybody back. But you know, they should still be the
Speaker 1: team to beat in my opinion, because I just don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen with the Nets. But you
Speaker 1: know there's going to be an outlier. You know, are
Speaker 1: they Atlanta Hawks? Legit? Are the Knicks legit? You know,
Speaker 1: you got a lot of questions there, Miami Heat, Miami
Speaker 1: Heat with Kyle Lowry? Are they that much of a
Speaker 1: different team? But those are some of the questions. But
Speaker 1: Adam Lefco, who hosts NBA on T and T, he'll
Speaker 1: join his coming up in a little bit. Yeah. Pauli
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons question, can most athletes can win or play
Speaker 1: their way out of almost any criticism, any off field baggage.
Speaker 1: Does it feel like it's too late? In Philly? Let's
Speaker 1: say they started seven and one and he played better,
Speaker 1: much better. Would it be forgiven or just temporarily forgiven
Speaker 1: with Ben Simmons? Well, but by playing better they there.
Speaker 1: They were a great team last year, but he wasn't great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how he becomes better if you
Speaker 1: stare well. But he can't shoot, so that that hasn't changed.
Speaker 1: Would I like to see him more like Yannis not
Speaker 1: being afraid to go to the free throw line? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I would. Um, I don't want Yannis shooting jumpers, but
Speaker 1: I love that he's fearless. Ben Simmons is afraid of
Speaker 1: getting criticized. You can't step on the court, and he
Speaker 1: is a great talent, but you can't go out there
Speaker 1: with those things that are always going to be in
Speaker 1: your head or your coaches, or your teammates or the fans.
Speaker 1: They're waiting for you to go to the line. They're
Speaker 1: waiting for you to take a jumper. And you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm Ben Simmons or on Doc Rivers, I don't
Speaker 1: want him in the situation where he's taking jumpers. I
Speaker 1: would use him as a power forward. You know, he's
Speaker 1: going to have to go to the free throw line,
Speaker 1: but I don't need him. Not everybody needs to shoot threes,
Speaker 1: and I would utilize him in a different way. It's
Speaker 1: like Jannis became so dangerous. They put him on the
Speaker 1: low block in the finals and he dominated. You know,
Speaker 1: he put you in foul trouble and then he hit
Speaker 1: what's seventeen of eighteen free throws in that final game? Yeah, mclevn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: speaking as Sickerts fan, Ben tenses hang out forty feet
Speaker 1: from the basket, which means his man is on himbiid.
Speaker 1: He doesn't go down low where he's dominant. He's really
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, he just doesn't want to shoot free throws.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to be embarrassed. He's a he's a
Speaker 1: TikTok kid. It's like, you know, Okay, you want everybod,
Speaker 1: you say nice things, you want likes, and you know
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. That's just not the NBA. That's
Speaker 1: not the way it works. And you know, get tough,
Speaker 1: act tough, be tough, and try to make yourself a
Speaker 1: better player instead of hey, stop picking on me, trade me.
Speaker 1: I want out of here, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: why did you come back? Well, I didn't realize they're
Speaker 1: gonna pay me or find me that much. So you're
Speaker 1: sort of there with Philadelphia. You're not there for the
Speaker 1: long home, not at all. All right, we'll get some
Speaker 1: phone calls here. What's poll question for our two? So
Speaker 1: we have up who is a favorite in the AFC?
Speaker 1: And the Buffalo Bills are still running away with it
Speaker 1: despite losing last night sixty four percent. The second and
Speaker 1: behind them is the Ravens. Yeah, yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1: I mean the Ravens. The Ravens are proving you don't
Speaker 1: need a quality running back. You don't you don't even
Speaker 1: need a name running back. But they have names. They're
Speaker 1: just incredibly old. They have Levy on Bell, Davante, Freeman, Ladavius,
Speaker 1: but you don't need them. I would still have an
Speaker 1: empty bad with Lamar, and I would have either an
Speaker 1: extra wide receiver an extra blocker, and I would just say,
Speaker 1: try to stop him. He's gonna get hit. You know,
Speaker 1: if you look at the times a quarterback has been
Speaker 1: hit this year, this is those running and you know
Speaker 1: you're in the pocket and you get hit. Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: has been hit in ninety eight times, so that's being
Speaker 1: tackled or hit in the pocket. Next on the list
Speaker 1: is Josh Allen at seventy eight, Jalen Hurts seventy eight,
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz sixty five, Sam Darnold sixty five, Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: sixty three, Daniel Jones sixty three. You're gonna get hit.
Speaker 1: The question is design plays. Do you get out of
Speaker 1: bounds to your slide? You know that's really the key.
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is going to get hit, and so is
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. They get hit differently because it feels like
Speaker 1: Lamar is a little better at avoiding contact or that
Speaker 1: direct hit Josh Allen, he almost seems to take on
Speaker 1: that contact. But I would just spread. I would just
Speaker 1: say to the defense, try to stop this. And Lamar
Speaker 1: is a better passer than people given credit for because
Speaker 1: if you watch that game, got a really quick release.
Speaker 1: He might not be as accurate as the other elite quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: But I look at what he does well, does better
Speaker 1: than anybody, and you build off of that. Yeah, I mclub. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lamar's had a lot of stats taken away because Brown
Speaker 1: has had the drops this year. He's played well. He
Speaker 1: had three t drop one game, and he dropped one
Speaker 1: this game too. You know, Lamar's passing numbers are really
Speaker 1: good this year. The least hit quarterback. Actually, they're tied,
Speaker 1: and I would never have thought that they would be tied.
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger and Tom Brady have been hit the fewest
Speaker 1: thirty eight times. Yeah. Point. I saw a stat the
Speaker 1: other day. I think Chris Collinsworth dropped it that Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger is getting rid of the ball faster than any
Speaker 1: other point in his career, back to the point where
Speaker 1: it's just like a hop tato. Yes, yeah, everything is
Speaker 1: like three, four, five, six yards. You know, he just
Speaker 1: doesn't want to get after a while. I mean, he
Speaker 1: can't move any but he used to be able to
Speaker 1: have mobility and he could extend to play. He just doesn't.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to get hit anymore. I mean, the
Speaker 1: reason why Brady is still playing is because he doesn't
Speaker 1: get hit. You know, he's not running, he's not running
Speaker 1: from anybody. Uh, let me see, Jeff, and Milwaukee leads
Speaker 1: this off. Hey, Jeff, what's on your mind today? And morning?
Speaker 1: Pretty excited morning, pretty excited for the start of the
Speaker 1: NBA season, more excited than ever for obvious reasons. But
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there's really any way to overrate what
Speaker 1: Jannis did in the finals last year coming off to
Speaker 1: knee injury. He's got the Chase down blacking game one,
Speaker 1: two forty point games, backed back the black than the
Speaker 1: hellyoop fifty points, making his free throws unafraid. As you say,
Speaker 1: I've absolutely loved you talking about that the past couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. Where do you put that historically for a
Speaker 1: finals run? It's there, you know. I still go back
Speaker 1: to Rick Barry had an incredible finals run with the
Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors. Jerry West did, Magic, did Bird did.
Speaker 1: Michael obviously did. But but Jannis is different because I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't look at the second best player on the
Speaker 1: Bucks equal to the second best player with Magic or
Speaker 1: second best player with Bird or second best player with Michael.
Speaker 1: Jannis is just fascinating. And I know I keep repeating this,
Speaker 1: but if you look at Ben Simmons and Jannis, they're
Speaker 1: of similar age, but they are so different in their personalities.
Speaker 1: Because Jannis wasn't entitled when he came over. He had
Speaker 1: to keep work and keep working, prove himself. Ben Ben
Speaker 1: couldn't go to the NBA right out of high school.
Speaker 1: He stops in for you know, a couple of months
Speaker 1: at LSU, has no interest in going to class and
Speaker 1: basically quit on that team. They weren't even a tournament team.
Speaker 1: And then he hey, number one pick, this guy's the
Speaker 1: next Magic Johnson. I'm still waiting for the next Magic
Speaker 1: Johnson because it's not Ben Simmons and there will never
Speaker 1: be another Magic Johnson. But he came in. It's like here,
Speaker 1: I am enjoy and then all of a sudden, you go, hey,
Speaker 1: you got some holes in your game. And I remember
Speaker 1: the first time I saw him playing at LSU, I go,
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's shooting with the wrong hand,
Speaker 1: and I was sort of joking, sort of yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's not Chris Middleton's fault. But he's not very famous
Speaker 1: and he's not very spectacular. He's a very good NBA player, obviously,
Speaker 1: but he's such in the shadow of the aura of
Speaker 1: Jiannis that it feels like it's a one man team,
Speaker 1: which isn't fair, but that's what it feels now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and look, they have a good balanced team, But go
Speaker 1: back to Kevin Durant with his foot on the line.
Speaker 1: I mean, how different that could have been. You'd probably
Speaker 1: have a new head coach in Milwaukee, Like there was
Speaker 1: so much attached to that they held on for dear life.
Speaker 1: But you know, Ben Simmons has to decide if he
Speaker 1: wants to take on the risk and the reward of
Speaker 1: being a great player. He's gonna get paid, but do
Speaker 1: you want to be remembered as somebody that people go, oh, yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: he was overrated or Janie is going to be underrated
Speaker 1: probably when it's all said and done, which is really
Speaker 1: hard to do getting all the attention that he does. Yeah, McLeman,
Speaker 1: I can't help myself. We gotta put an as first
Speaker 1: on this title. Last year. Come on, they beat the
Speaker 1: Hawks at the conference finals and they beat the Phoenix
Speaker 1: Suns in the finals. You can't control who you play, well, Okay,
Speaker 1: then Kawhi Letter gets full credit for beating the Warriors
Speaker 1: without Katie. If there's I just feel like this was
Speaker 1: a quirky quirky NBA Magic was injured when Michael won
Speaker 1: his first title beating the Lakers. Nobody brings that ump
Speaker 1: was that that Lakers team was not fully stocked though,
Speaker 1: was it They would have woke okay, but they had injuries.
Speaker 1: But then Michael went on to win the next one.
Speaker 1: My point is Jannis he has to prove a little
Speaker 1: more to be in like okay, and he might do.
Speaker 1: The Spurs get all the credit they deserve should they
Speaker 1: get blamed. They beat a Knicks team that didn't even
Speaker 1: have Patrick Ewing on it. That's another big I didn't
Speaker 1: hear anybody say anything, but they beat Like, that's the
Speaker 1: worst finals. What about they beat a Cleveland team that
Speaker 1: I had Lebron James and no one else, one of
Speaker 1: the worst teams to ever go to the NBA Finals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody is patting them on the back for that, But
Speaker 1: those are two Those are two titles. Well yeah, but
Speaker 1: they went on to win a bunch more so that
Speaker 1: that takes the astric away. Okay, but then do I
Speaker 1: take those away that they only won three not five? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: because you get it back after you win a subsequence.
Speaker 1: That's how it work. So if Janni's somehow beats the Nets, yes,
Speaker 1: then then and then this one counts. Just like Kawai's
Speaker 1: title doesn't really count in lieu of a banner raising.
Speaker 1: You have an asterisk lowering. Mm okay, yeah, like nobody.
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna really take that Raptors title that seriously. I
Speaker 1: think it's just you. Oh, come on, there's somebody NBA
Speaker 1: fans who like to put asterix on different things. I knew.
Speaker 1: I couldn't help myself. I'm sorry. And I love the
Speaker 1: Bucks I Bucks gear all over my because it's free. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's true. All right, let me take a break. We'll
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Speaker 1: The biggest storyline going into the season is, oh, man,
Speaker 1: you caught me in a whirlwind between Ben Simmons and
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving. I feel like those are the two NBA
Speaker 1: seventy fifth year anniversary that's the biggest one. But I
Speaker 1: think what's going to happen to these two guys that
Speaker 1: are not currently playing right now? Do the team even
Speaker 1: like him in terms of Ben Simmons and in terms
Speaker 1: of Kyrie Irving, does the team even need him? Those
Speaker 1: are the two questions that I'm kind of thinking storyline wise,
Speaker 1: who would you rather interview between those two? Oh, Kyrie
Speaker 1: is going to take you to a place that you
Speaker 1: have no idea where he's going. And I'm someone that
Speaker 1: does find it somewhat entertaining Ben. It feels like a
Speaker 1: lot of angst, a lot of anger, a lot of
Speaker 1: built up just frustration, and I feel like it's going
Speaker 1: to be a lot of no comments. So at least
Speaker 1: I can have a conversation with Kyrie which one is
Speaker 1: more salvageable Kyrie. I think that when we would always
Speaker 1: have these stats last year for MBA and TNT, how
Speaker 1: is this team with Kyrie and Durant but no Harden
Speaker 1: and how are they? They were great? And so when
Speaker 1: you look at the depth of this roster, I totally
Speaker 1: forgot Patty Mills, I know, but they got Javon Carter
Speaker 1: two from Feeding. They're very deep, and James Harden played
Speaker 1: a lot of point guard last year, and so I
Speaker 1: think that this Nets team could start off really hot
Speaker 1: and then three four months in possibly he gets the
Speaker 1: vaccine and joins them with Ben. He is literally working
Speaker 1: out in a hooded sweatshirt with the sleeves cut off,
Speaker 1: wearing full pants to practice. He's not playing. We are
Speaker 1: watching a hold in instead of a old Alps And
Speaker 1: I think that this is just posturing for a possible trade.
Speaker 1: Who had a great offseason. I think the fact that
Speaker 1: the Bucks resigned a lot of guys, they got continuity
Speaker 1: in a league of constant change. I thought it was
Speaker 1: really well done for Boston to kind of move a
Speaker 1: bunch of their pieces and retain their core and still
Speaker 1: build around Tatum. I think I would have said Phoenix,
Speaker 1: but this DeAndre Ayton not getting the max I think
Speaker 1: suddenly brings trouble in Paradise. But I think also the
Speaker 1: Lakers and specifically Russell Westbrook to go from the Washington
Speaker 1: Wizards to the Lakers, what an off season for him?
Speaker 1: Really impressive. What is the game plan do you think
Speaker 1: for the Lakers during the regular season? So that was
Speaker 1: the best part of the Russell Westbrook moved by the Lakers.
Speaker 1: In my opinion is that Lebron is now and he
Speaker 1: has been for the last few years, a CEO that
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be in every meeting, and I think
Speaker 1: when you heard the upset nature of him with Jared
Speaker 1: Dudley leaving, he needed those generals to keep the team
Speaker 1: motivated during the regular season. And I don't think anyone
Speaker 1: does that better than Russell Westbrook. We heard it in
Speaker 1: Houston where he was on the plane and they're waiting
Speaker 1: for Harden and then he goes to Washington and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the team and Bradley deal is focused.
Speaker 1: Lebron now has his general, his everyday general to keep
Speaker 1: that team motivated during the regular season. We saw it
Speaker 1: last year like they're okay, going for the seven or
Speaker 1: eight seed if it means, you know, resting Lebron a
Speaker 1: little bit. I think that they're going to go for
Speaker 1: it all this year. I think that when you look
Speaker 1: at the West, I think the Sons are great, but
Speaker 1: I think it's unlikely that they have a similar run
Speaker 1: back to back. It's just tough to do that two
Speaker 1: years in a row. So I think they're kind of
Speaker 1: going up against UT to try and win the regular season.
Speaker 1: But I think as long as they're in the top four,
Speaker 1: they're feeling good. But I really think Westbrook now is
Speaker 1: that day to day general of the team. Who's the
Speaker 1: most overrated team? Oh? Overrated? I think, like I just said,
Speaker 1: I would just from having watched sports a long time,
Speaker 1: it's probably unlikely that Phoenix and Atlanta do what they
Speaker 1: did again. You know, those just seemed like big runs
Speaker 1: motivated by a lot of and there are so much
Speaker 1: opening in the West with Kawai's injury and the Lakers injuries.
Speaker 1: I just I think Phoenix is probably the team that
Speaker 1: people are penciling into the finals that I just would
Speaker 1: I would bet against them. Who is underrated? I like
Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz, and mainly because of conversations that we
Speaker 1: have had before about Yeah, I get this with the
Speaker 1: Bucks and the regular season, but show me in the
Speaker 1: playoffs and then it happened, and this happened with the
Speaker 1: Raptors a few years ago. I'm not saying Rudy Gay
Speaker 1: is the guy at the missing piece that brings us
Speaker 1: all together, because that's just that's a good thing. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm glad you didn't. Okay, yeah, I've had n't two
Speaker 1: year three into loving the Utah Jazz. I too, love
Speaker 1: the unit. Um. I think it was watching Rudy Gobert
Speaker 1: in the Olympics, and it was watching him get brought
Speaker 1: into similar situations in the playoffs where he's having to
Speaker 1: defend guards and he actually did it. But look, I've
Speaker 1: Mellow Olympic mellow messed me up for a number of years.
Speaker 1: So I just I have to imagine that all of
Speaker 1: these years of getting just absolutely swept in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm I'm a sucker for Payne,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I think the Utah Jazz are
Speaker 1: are my tool this season? Who is your finals pick?
Speaker 1: All right, I'll I'll be even sicker because if it happens,
Speaker 1: I want credit. I'll put the Jazz in there, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to put the nets so it'll be Jazz
Speaker 1: versus Nets. The thing that I'm thinking about tonight's game,
Speaker 1: which is a matchup for the Eastern Conference Finals Bucks Nets,
Speaker 1: is the one player the Bucks didn't bring back is PJ. Tucker.
Speaker 1: And I know it's weird to read that PJ. Tucker
Speaker 1: was a great defender against Kevin Durant when Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: had like an all time game in games five and seven.
Speaker 1: But the reason he was so big as it meant
Speaker 1: that Jannis and Middleton didn't have to guard Durant, and
Speaker 1: so it changed up their philosophies. And I just I'm
Speaker 1: looking at the team right now and all I can
Speaker 1: think about is if I went to Vegas, I'm putting
Speaker 1: my number one bet is Durant's MVP. That's just the
Speaker 1: way the season ended. Now he's got a full healthy offseason.
Speaker 1: There's no Ki, so he's going to get credit for
Speaker 1: like playing well without Kyrie. I just don't know who
Speaker 1: stops him. So I would go Jazz and nets. Why
Speaker 1: is it I can't release or cut that umbilical cord
Speaker 1: from the Golden State Warriors. Oh Like, Steph Curry's my
Speaker 1: number two pick for MVY. Yeah, I had him MVP
Speaker 1: last year and I and you know, Klay Thompson's the
Speaker 1: missing ingredient. They got young players, They got some youth
Speaker 1: on there. I don't know if they have the magic
Speaker 1: dust for one more run, but I'm kind of holding
Speaker 1: on that they do. There are three teams that I really,
Speaker 1: really like, but injuries are what prevents me from picking
Speaker 1: them long term. Kawhi with the Clippers, Jamal Murray with
Speaker 1: the Nuggets, and Clay Thompson with the Warriors. All expected
Speaker 1: back a few months into the season, and if they
Speaker 1: were there the entire time, I just don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm getting. And so I'm so excited to watch Curry,
Speaker 1: Clay and Draymond. And now with all of this wisdom.
Speaker 1: I was reading about drey him on yesterday and how
Speaker 1: you know he used to be the guy that could
Speaker 1: talk to the team and talk about like advanced mathematics
Speaker 1: when it comes to NBA, and now all the young
Speaker 1: guys are looking to him. And I love the fact
Speaker 1: that we're going to get super veteran Clay, Curry and Draymond.
Speaker 1: I just without Clay, they are a piece short, and
Speaker 1: I don't know where we're going to get in January.
Speaker 1: It's great to talk to you. Have fun tonight, and
Speaker 1: remember what did you have for breakfast? Where are you
Speaker 1: going later today? Where is that shirt made? Why are
Speaker 1: you wearing that sweater? It has seashells? Because you know,
Speaker 1: Milwaukee is a beach town. Yeah, yeah, I take the
Speaker 1: kids there. We used to. We used to take the
Speaker 1: kids there for the summers. You know, it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's just that, you know, if I can get a
Speaker 1: margarita on the beach of Milwaukee, because I would say
Speaker 1: to the kids Milwaukee or Disney World, and they go Milwaukee. Easy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Remember your role is John Stockton. Yeah, pass, get the
Speaker 1: get the assist out, get the ball out quick. That's
Speaker 1: that's your rapid fire question. No, you don't even have
Speaker 1: to have a did John Stockton ever have a no?
Speaker 1: Look pass? I just revealed that I'm not wearing You
Speaker 1: don't have pants on? Do you? I would stand up
Speaker 1: and show no, no, no, no, no, no, it's your
Speaker 1: best you don't. Yeah, I don't want to see your
Speaker 1: left go in your right. Co I referred to thank you, Bud,
Speaker 1: thank you, Adam left Coo NBA on TNT host and
Speaker 1: a man who's not wearing pants at least in that interview.
Speaker 1: He started to stand up and I went, no, no,
Speaker 1: I would say nothing to see here, but there might
Speaker 1: have been though being mature here, all right, get a
Speaker 1: couple of phone calls in here. I don't know what
Speaker 1: we learned there other than Kevin Durand will probably get
Speaker 1: a little more credit if the Nets do well without
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving playing. I mean it's almost like Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: because without that, you know, they all the injuries were
Speaker 1: their running backs. And you don't look at their wide
Speaker 1: receivers as great. Mark Andrews a pretty good tight end
Speaker 1: seems to be that's his default out. Hey, who could
Speaker 1: I throw it tight end? I'll throw it to the
Speaker 1: tight end. But you know, do they make a trade?
Speaker 1: Would they be curious kicking the tires on say Quon Barkley.
Speaker 1: Is that something that the Ravens would do. I don't
Speaker 1: know that. Just when it comes to what did you
Speaker 1: do and who helped you do it? Lamar Jackson's going
Speaker 1: to get a lot of credit, and rightfully so so far. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Point going back to NBA MVP, Lebron James can never
Speaker 1: win it again, right He's got too much talent on
Speaker 1: the Lakers. I thought he was gonna win it when
Speaker 1: he got injured, when he was leading the league and
Speaker 1: assist I thought you could make a case what he did.
Speaker 1: He was he was transitioning into a different role and
Speaker 1: a role that maybe you you know, you'd start to
Speaker 1: see more of with Lebron. I could see that. It
Speaker 1: feels like, um, there was always a fascination with Jordan,
Speaker 1: with writers and reporters, voters. I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: a fascination with Lebron the way that there was with Michael.
Speaker 1: But you know, Michael would get the MVP in the finals, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you don't want to give it to me during the
Speaker 1: regular season, I'm going to use that as motivation in
Speaker 1: the NBA finals. And he did that to Carl Malone
Speaker 1: and he did that to Charles Barkley. But two years ago,
Speaker 1: Lebron finished second. I believe to Yannisum, I could make
Speaker 1: a case Lebron was just as valuable. It was different,
Speaker 1: but you know he kind of said, hey, this is
Speaker 1: what I need to do, and I respected that. Yeah, Pa,
Speaker 1: Lebron is not one of the MVP since the twenty
Speaker 1: twelve two thirteen season. Since then, it's been Durant, Curry, Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Yannis, Yantis, Yoki. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he gets to that, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: she's doing it at that age. Therefore, we're going to
Speaker 1: give him extra credit, not necessarily lifetime achievement because he's
Speaker 1: already gotten MVPs. But I do think that maybe you
Speaker 1: get that that feel good story with Lebron. He's just
Speaker 1: polarizing to people, like there's the when if you look back,
Speaker 1: you know, Jordan didn't have that. He wasn't polarizing when
Speaker 1: it came to the voters. Bird wasn't like that, Magic
Speaker 1: wasn't like that. It feels like Lebron is like that
Speaker 1: because well, he's not Michael. We don't want him to
Speaker 1: be Michael. Or he's going to be the all time
Speaker 1: leading scorer and he'll be top ten and assist all time,
Speaker 1: but is he the greatest player of all time? It
Speaker 1: just feels like there's this tug of war of keeping
Speaker 1: Lebron back a little bit and not acknowledging what he
Speaker 1: does and how he's done it, and at a concert
Speaker 1: distant rate now because the argument it always comes back
Speaker 1: to this, hey Jordan six and oh okay, what happened
Speaker 1: to all the other years? Because when Lebron goes to
Speaker 1: the finals and he loses, that's held against him, whereas
Speaker 1: Jordan wouldn't get to the finals, ball out in the
Speaker 1: first round or second round earlier in his career. That
Speaker 1: was never held against him. And that's not fair, that's
Speaker 1: not fair. It's like Tom Brady, you get to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl, Yeah, but he lost, but he got to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl Montana four and oh I would rather
Speaker 1: have somebody get to the super Bowl than somebody who
Speaker 1: lost two weeks earlier, or somebody got to the NBA Finals,
Speaker 1: or somebody who didn't get out of the second round.
Speaker 1: But if you're going to critique Lebron or Brady for
Speaker 1: losing championships, okay, it's rarefied air. But I just I
Speaker 1: don't think Lebron has been given enough credit for what
Speaker 1: he does when he gets to an NBA finals, whereas
Speaker 1: Jordan never gets blamed. He's like, hey six, and oh
Speaker 1: yes he was and he was great, and I was
Speaker 1: there every step of the way and he was spectacular.
Speaker 1: But those other teams that he had, you know, getting
Speaker 1: out the first round, second round, Lebron did that. Michael
Speaker 1: was never That's never been a knock against Mike yea
Speaker 1: po Lebron won his four MVPs in a five year
Speaker 1: span oh nine to thirteen, the longest stretches between MVPs.
Speaker 1: Kareem had his first MVP in seventy one and his
Speaker 1: final one of his gie's of his six in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan won his first MVP in nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 1: his final MVP of his five in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 1: That's the longest stretch. Yeah. H so he won five
Speaker 1: and ten yeah five, and over the course of eleven
Speaker 1: NBA season, Kaream won six. Over the course of nine seasons,
Speaker 1: ye well, Kaream was different. You know when Kareem came in.
Speaker 1: There's certain players when they came in, you go, oh,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen that before. An athletic big man who
Speaker 1: who almost had the feet of a ballet dancer. I
Speaker 1: mean he was just he had great footwork and incredible touch,
Speaker 1: and there was always well, he could have been better,
Speaker 1: he could have been more dominant. But you know, when
Speaker 1: you're putting up thirty five and eighteen every night, it
Speaker 1: just felt like no matter what Kareem did, it wasn't enough.
Speaker 1: But I still think he's one of the most underrated
Speaker 1: NBA players of all time. Yea. When you look at
Speaker 1: this MVP list, it really shows the direction the NBA.
Speaker 1: Larry Bird won three in a row, eighty four, eighty five,
Speaker 1: a six, then Magic Johnson won eighty seven, eighty nine, ninety,
Speaker 1: then Lebron and then Michael joronsaid I'll take it from
Speaker 1: here and one five in the next decade. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder if if Lebron could be a feel good story.
Speaker 1: I think it might be difficult because Anthony Davis is
Speaker 1: should be the best player on the team. Russell Westbrook
Speaker 1: what he's going to be able to do. People might
Speaker 1: look at Russ and say he's the most valuable player
Speaker 1: on that team because of what he's going to have
Speaker 1: to do during the regular season. And you know, Lebron
Speaker 1: has come out and said, look, I don't want workload
Speaker 1: diminished here. That's why he was all in to win
Speaker 1: the MVP because it was about load management. And I
Speaker 1: think Lebron's tactic was I can win the MVP by
Speaker 1: being at my age great and wanting to play in
Speaker 1: every single game. Hey Kawhi wants to take time off,
Speaker 1: or you know, Kyrie or whoever it is you take time,
Speaker 1: I'm going to play every single night. And he almost
Speaker 1: pulled it off. All right, We'll take a break. More
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Speaker 1: are we gonna settle on another poll question? McLevin? You
Speaker 1: know I'm looking up the MVP odds. You want to
Speaker 1: do an MBA MVP poll? Okay, see if Lebron I
Speaker 1: think Lebron has a chance if he gets Psycho ten
Speaker 1: assists with that. You know he was averaging that two
Speaker 1: years ago. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, it depends on how
Speaker 1: committed they are to the regular season, because do you
Speaker 1: want to go all out the regular season? Lest Brook's
Speaker 1: gonna have the ball a lot during the regular season,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm just they're only going to go
Speaker 1: as far as Anthony Davis will take them. That he's
Speaker 1: the difference maker. Do I expect you can plug and
Speaker 1: play numbers for Lebron and Westbrook. Yeah, even you know,
Speaker 1: mellow Anthony Davis needs to rise up and be one
Speaker 1: of the top five players in the game. Yeah, mclub,
Speaker 1: the Vegas favorite is Luca at a plus four hundred.
Speaker 1: Then Janis then embed KD, Curry, Lillard, Yoki, Lebron all
Speaker 1: in that next. I would take KD. You know that
Speaker 1: we keep waiting for. You know, Luca was supposed to
Speaker 1: be the favorite last year, and I said his team's
Speaker 1: not going to be good enough for him to win
Speaker 1: the MVP. You have to be at a certain level.
Speaker 1: It feels like, when's the last time somebody won the
Speaker 1: MVP and their team wasn't one of the elite teams.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure I remember, but if somebody can
Speaker 1: remind me of that. Well, Russell Westbrook with the triple double, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were pretty good too, Yeah, and that was the
Speaker 1: uniqueness of that. And then he proved that it wasn't
Speaker 1: that unique because he did that again where he average
Speaker 1: a triple double. Jannis and the MAVs have to be better.
Speaker 1: They have to take that next step, and it might
Speaker 1: come down to Kristaps Porzingis does he take the next
Speaker 1: step to be a great player. It might hinge, you know,
Speaker 1: Luca's MVP might hinge on that. Yeah, I'm okay. The
Speaker 1: dark horses on here, Jason Tatum, Donovan Mitchell, Anthony Davis,
Speaker 1: Paul George, you know, anybody. Devin Booker's on here. No,
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis could be you know, if you're looking for
Speaker 1: longer odds. But but he has to be healthy and
Speaker 1: then put up those big numbers because you're always gonna
Speaker 1: have showcase games. And the question is is he going
Speaker 1: to get overshadowed by Lebron and Russell Westbrook? I you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect out of Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 1: If it feels like he's gonna his style is going
Speaker 1: to be the same. The question is is he still
Speaker 1: shooting forty percent? Is he going to average, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty eight and eight? Does Lebron average twenty five? Again?
Speaker 1: Does he average twenty five and ten? How good is
Speaker 1: their record going to be this year? Now, that's why
Speaker 1: I thought Steph Curry is that was going to be
Speaker 1: a surprise, like almost like a reintroduction of Steph Curry
Speaker 1: and the Golden State Warriors. It didn't happen obviously with
Speaker 1: Klay Thompson. But Steph Curry is another player. I thought
Speaker 1: he'd be the MVP last year Yannis. That might be
Speaker 1: some voting fatigue with Yannis. Joel Embiid maybe might look
Speaker 1: at him, if depends on what happens with Ben Simmons,
Speaker 1: but I would I don't think it'll be Luca. I
Speaker 1: would say KD because we might look at Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: because he's going to do this without Kyrie Irving. Although
Speaker 1: I think what Harden did last year was underrated because
Speaker 1: he played the point and you know, he played well.
Speaker 1: But I think KD is probably he would be the
Speaker 1: guy that I would pick to be the MVP. Eight
Speaker 1: seven seven three d P Show email address dpat dan
Speaker 1: Patrick dot com, Twitter handle at dp's show Delhi and Chicago.
Speaker 1: Joins us Hi delling what's on your mind today? Thanks,
Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. I wanted to say I'm
Speaker 1: a little like Fritzie. I'm five eight two fifty Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, exactly, But hey, I have my question is
Speaker 1: if you're gonna pick a team and stick with them,
Speaker 1: because you're wavering very much between the Chargers and the Titans.
Speaker 1: Your Chargers, your Titans. Which one are you gonna pay?
Speaker 1: It's a tough question for me, Deli, but I was
Speaker 1: I've been on the Chargers bandwagon a long time. I
Speaker 1: feel like if I get off, they're going to go
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. But I did have a soft
Speaker 1: spot in my heart preseason with the Titans because I
Speaker 1: just thought that style and you get them in the
Speaker 1: playoffs and they would be a tough team debate, So
Speaker 1: I'll stay with the Chargers. You know, the Titan fans
Speaker 1: won't let me back on because it felt like every
Speaker 1: year I was saying, you know, the Titans or eight
Speaker 1: and eight, Now you're gonna be eight and eight, seven
Speaker 1: to nine ninety seven. That'd be it, and they wouldn't
Speaker 1: know why I hated their team. Yeah. Point, but you
Speaker 1: get criticized because mclovan makes fun of their division. Yes,
Speaker 1: and it gets pinned on you. Yes. Yeah, Nate, and
Speaker 1: Oklahoma's back? Hi, Nate, what's on your mind today? Hey? Dan?
Speaker 1: We'll take any fans, yeah, that you want for other
Speaker 1: than Titans needs all the help we can get on
Speaker 1: the size and speed comparison you guys talked about earlier.
Speaker 1: I'll take any chance I can to point out Larry
Speaker 1: Allen when he tackled the Interceptor in his rookie year.
Speaker 1: Crazy that game last night was awesome. Hated losing Caleb Farley.
Speaker 1: Just hate to see that for that young man. But man,
Speaker 1: that game reminds me of the nineteen playoffs when we
Speaker 1: beat the Ravens. Just that internal rush by Jeffrey Simmons,
Speaker 1: the leadership by Kevin Byard. I just I think it
Speaker 1: could be a special thing. But I'm being cautiously optimistic
Speaker 1: with our schedule. Yeah, it's a tough s jeal. But
Speaker 1: what Simmons did on that quarterback sneak, I mean that
Speaker 1: he was pointed out on the mother Ship in the
Speaker 1: pre games. He was somebody to keep an eye on
Speaker 1: because he's an impact player. He doesn't get the recognition
Speaker 1: that you know, obviously Aaron Donald gets. But what he did,
Speaker 1: you know that up the middle pressure that he did,
Speaker 1: and you know he kind of caved in that blocker
Speaker 1: right into Josh Allen. Josh Allen said, you know, I slipped.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was getting in there. Even if
Speaker 1: he didn't slip. Ryan and Tampa, Hey, Ryan, what's on
Speaker 1: your mind? Oh no, I'm just getting in I wanted
Speaker 1: to let you know that I am a big Rams
Speaker 1: fan from way back when and Jared Goff. Do you
Speaker 1: think I'm asking your opinion? Just do you think Jared
Speaker 1: Goff has something mentally wrong with him? Because a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago he went to the Super Bowl, which
Speaker 1: is something Matthew Stafford hasn't done, and he looked like
Speaker 1: he was a world beater a few years ago. Do
Speaker 1: you think, in your opinion, he has something like mentally
Speaker 1: blocking him from being better than he that he kindly
Speaker 1: is thank you Dad. Well, I don't know if it's physical,
Speaker 1: but I do know that when your coach loses confidence
Speaker 1: in you and you're still on that team and then
Speaker 1: they decide that they're going to pay you, then get
Speaker 1: rid of you, and then bring in Matthew Stafford, it's
Speaker 1: got to mess with you a little bit. Now you
Speaker 1: have another head coach who is saying, hey, Jared Goff
Speaker 1: has got a step up. Yeah, you know you probably
Speaker 1: have you know PTSD. I think is that what it is?
Speaker 1: Post traumatic stress this order? I mean you might have
Speaker 1: that where you lose confidence and at that position can't
Speaker 1: lose confidence. Yeah, Poe, And I think Jared Goff don't
Speaker 1: quarterbacks always talk on Tuesday? They usually make the starting
Speaker 1: quarterbacks available for the media. He has to talk today
Speaker 1: after all what happened this weekend. He said, he's got
Speaker 1: to deal with the RAMS side of this, and then
Speaker 1: his own coach bailing. Yeah, I know that's pretty tough that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've already had Sean McVay say public, Hey,
Speaker 1: I didn't handle it the right way. I should have
Speaker 1: communicated with Jared Goff, you know, before we were trading him,
Speaker 1: and now Jared Goff has to talk about going back
Speaker 1: to face the Rams. But also, hey, your coach basically
Speaker 1: threw you under the bus. What do you think about
Speaker 1: what coach Campbell had to say? All right, Final hour
Speaker 1: coming up, talk some football. Peter Schreger from the NFL
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