1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning. 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: This is Laura, Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's 3 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: tip is that as you are considering a new job 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: or any sort of career move, consider the substance of 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: the work first. Then you can address questions like work 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: life balance. Balance is not a good in its own right, 7 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: and if you seek out work for the schedule first, 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: you can wind up board or unhappy, which won't help 9 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: with your work life balance at all. Because I write 10 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: about issues of work and family, I sometimes hear from 11 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: people who are trying to find jobs that allow for 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: what we often call work life balance. People want to 13 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: be able to spend time in the evenings with their families, 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: or to be able to drop kids off at school, 15 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: or deal with the occasional during the work day personal 16 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: event without it being a crisis. I totally understand this. 17 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: Flexibility is a definite upside for me of running my 18 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: own business, but I didn't set out to have a 19 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: flexible business. I wanted to write about what I wanted 20 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: to write about, and I know there have never been 21 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: a lot of traditional, well paying jobs that would allow 22 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: me to do that. The most profitable way to build 23 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: my career was to go out on my own. Flexibility 24 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: turns out to be a perk of my version of 25 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: self employment, but it is not the reason for my 26 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: job choice. Unfortunately, I hear from people who have gotten 27 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: burned out in stressful jobs and they start hunting for 28 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: anything that will provide more balance. And for a while, 29 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: this can feel great. If you used to travel every 30 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: week and have people call you at nine pm every 31 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: night with stuff that has to be done before eight 32 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: am in the morning, it is exhilarating to leave the 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: office at four point thirty knowing that no one is 34 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: going to bother you. You will glow with gratitude going to 35 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: a school play at eleven am knowing that no one 36 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: is going to give you grief about it, but and 37 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: you knew there was a butt coming here. Often, that 38 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: glow fades in time. You can't live on balance alone. 39 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: Many of the people who started out in those more 40 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: stressful jobs did so because they are ambitious people who 41 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: like to be challenged. They also like to be paid 42 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: a lot. Jobs taken primarily because they offer balance don't 43 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: always meet those needs. People wind up unhappy because they 44 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: are bored. They start feeling underpaid, then perhaps it's off 45 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: to find a new job. But again, if it needs 46 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: to have a strict definition of balance, this can cut 47 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: off a lot of options. If you declare that you 48 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: will never travel for work, that is going to limit 49 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: you more than if you are open to traveling two 50 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: to three days a month. If you declare that you 51 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: will never take work home, that is going to limit 52 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: you more then if you find a fascinating organization, or 53 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: you can build a team that gets good work done 54 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: unreasonable timeframes. So here is my take. I think it 55 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: is best to focus on substance first and balance after that. 56 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: Figure out what kind of work you'd like to do, 57 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: or look for a job where the core of your 58 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: work is something that excites you. Find colleagues who you 59 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: find interesting and fun to work with, then negotiate the 60 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: balance you want, or simply bold and seize it. I 61 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: have seen this be possible for all sorts of jobs 62 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: as people gain seniority, and they might work in fields 63 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: like law or medicine or consulting or tech that aren't 64 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: exactly known for work life balance. But these jobs do 65 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: tend to be interesting and highly paid, So folks who 66 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: want to have a personal life figure out ways to 67 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: keep working and advancing while doing what they need to 68 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: or want to outside of work. You take an hour 69 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: off in the middle of the day to go to 70 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: a kid's class, but do a phone call at nine 71 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: pm after your kid is in bed, and you just 72 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: don't make a big deal about it. As you get 73 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: more senior, you can do more and more of what 74 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: you want, leaving in the middle of the day to 75 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: meet a kid's bus and continuing to work remotely after that. 76 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: For instance, if you are the top person on a team, 77 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: people do often figure out where to accommodate you beyond 78 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: that reality. I think the phrase work life balance is 79 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: problematic for all sorts of reasons. First, people tend to 80 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: use it to mean working less, but very few people 81 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: spend most of their hours working. There are one hundred 82 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: and sixty eight hours in a week. If you sleep 83 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: eight hours a night, so that's fifty six hours per 84 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: week and work forty hours per week, that leaves seventy 85 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: two hours for other things, that's almost twice as much 86 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: time as you are working. It's hard to see what's 87 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: particularly balanced about working thirty hours and having eighty two 88 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: hours for other things, or working twenty hours and having 89 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: ninety two hours for other things. Those may be perfectly 90 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: fine setups for life, but they aren't exactly balanced. The 91 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: phrase work life balance also implies that work and life 92 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: are at odds, with the two on opposite side sides 93 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: of the scale. I am not sure that is the case. 94 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: I know that when I am working on something really 95 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: exciting and I feel like I'm winning at work, I 96 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:16,679 Speaker 1: have more energy for everything. There's also nothing particularly balanced 97 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: about tolerating your work and even counting the hours until 98 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: you get to life, even if there aren't as many 99 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: hours to count. I suspect that a lot of people 100 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: would be happier working forty to forty five hours a 101 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: week in work they love than thirty five hours a 102 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: week in work where they'd feel bored and underpaid. Now, 103 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: of course, if the forty hour work week was also 104 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: boring and underpaid, that would be even worse. But when 105 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: you like the substance of your job, that is probably 106 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: not going to be the case. Substance first, balance, after that, 107 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: that's the recipe for a happier life and career than 108 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: seeking out balance above everything else. In the meantime, this 109 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: is Laura, Thanks for listening and here's to making the 110 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: most of our time. Hey, everybody, I'd love to hear 111 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: from you. You can send me your tips, your questions, 112 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: or anything else. Just connect with me on Twitter, Facebook 113 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: and Instagram at Before Breakfast Pod. That's b E the 114 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: number four then Breakfast pod. You can also shoot me 115 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: an email at Before Breakfast Podcasts at iHeartMedia dot com 116 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: that Before Breakfast is spelled out with all the letters. 117 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: Thanks so much. 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