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Speaker 1: Here we go the o Fish Shual Show on the

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Speaker 1: fish Stripes podcast channel. I'm Eli Susman, the managing editor

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Speaker 1: of fish Stripeswear. We cover the Miami Marlins every day

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Speaker 1: in our own way. This show presented by Symbol the

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Speaker 1: Stock Market for Sports. I am recording this actually right

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Speaker 1: after the rain delay on Wednesday night. It was relatively

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Speaker 1: short delay between the Phillies and Marlins, so as of

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Speaker 1: this recording, I don't even know the outcome of the game.

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Speaker 1: The Marlins were leading. You'll get a recap of that

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Speaker 1: here on the podcast feed on the small pod Thursday morning,

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Speaker 1: and of course we'll have our article on fish Shripes.

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Speaker 1: We'll break down the second half of this game, but

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Speaker 1: the Marlins aren't a promising physician. For this episode, You're

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Speaker 1: gonna be hearing one, two, three, four, seven different voices,

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Speaker 1: only one of the mind. Most of them will not

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Speaker 1: be mine. Seven different voices combining a couple prerecorded segments

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Speaker 1: that we did of analysis. The first one is going

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Speaker 1: to be from our Fish Stripes Live Philly's series preview

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Speaker 1: show where that was the first reaction to the trade.

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Speaker 1: And then later on I'll be inserting the conversation between

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Speaker 1: me and Peter Pratt from his special one hundredth episode

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Speaker 1: of Fish Across the Ponds, where we dive deep into

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Speaker 1: the past, the presence and the uncertain future of Lewis

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Speaker 1: Brinson with the Marlins organization. During this brief intro, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to just give some perspective on the trade that

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Speaker 1: went down. The timing of the trade very surprising on

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Speaker 1: a Tuesday morning, being that it was a full month

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Speaker 1: ahead of the typical trade deadline, and the fact that

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Speaker 1: one of the main players that the Marlins traded, Corey Dickerson,

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Speaker 1: is on the injured list and not particularly close to

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Speaker 1: being ready to play in Major league games. The full trade,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen it by now. The Marlins send

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Speaker 1: Corey Dickerson and Adam Simber and about two point sixty

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Speaker 1: five million dollars in cash considerations to the Toronto Blue

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Speaker 1: Jays in exchange for infielder Joe Panic and righty reliever

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Speaker 1: Andrew mcinveil. So we do have a lot of coverage

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Speaker 1: already up on Fish trips on all their platforms. Spencer

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Speaker 1: Morris did a deep dive on macinveil, who who's been

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Speaker 1: reported now to double a Pensacola. He did not pitch

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Speaker 1: here on his first day of eligibility on Wednesday night,

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Speaker 1: but I'm sure we'll see him in the coming days

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Speaker 1: make his organizational debut. Someone who was a super late

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Speaker 1: round draft pick back in twenty nineteen totally off the map,

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Speaker 1: the prospect map as of last year when there was

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Speaker 1: no minor league season. But apparently the work that he

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Speaker 1: put in during that COVID year paid off because he

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Speaker 1: Double A, and he was doing relatively well prior to

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Speaker 1: the trade. The more recognizable name that the Marlins got

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Speaker 1: back was Joe Panic, who during the first half of

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Speaker 1: this game had the one of the most Unjoe Panic

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Speaker 1: like games that you could have. As someone who really

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Speaker 1: prides himself on his contact ability, that is his elite skill,

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Speaker 1: even here coming up on his thirty first birthday, is

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Speaker 1: great at putting balls in play, and yet he had

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Speaker 1: to strikeout in his second played appearance as a Marlin.

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Speaker 1: He had a home run in his very first played

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Speaker 2: So no, no Joe Panic fly ball right field.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye, or should I say hello, Welcome to the Marlins.

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Speaker 2: Joe Panic is solo home run?

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Speaker 3: Hell, indeed, it's a hello, how you doing, Joe Panic?

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Marlins.

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Speaker 3: The offense much appreciated early offense were the Marlins and

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Speaker 3: what did it?

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Speaker 1: Pat Yeah off of Aaron Nola on a night when

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Speaker 1: the question is whether the Marlins actually hold on to

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Speaker 1: think what the return reflects is that Corey Dickerson's injury

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Speaker 1: sixty five million dollars. Yeah, there's really no sign that

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Speaker 1: he probably a negative value at this stage on the market,

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Speaker 1: and honestly, even with the money that the Marlins covered,

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Speaker 1: two seasons with Adam simber All in all, I guess

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Speaker 1: you need to applaud the team for picking him up

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Speaker 1: essentially off the scrap heap when he was defaed by

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Speaker 1: That's a fascinating dynamic when you have a new GM takeover.

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Speaker 1: You wonder whether she would have been extra attached to

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Speaker 1: that chair as GM, not solely her decision, but yet

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Speaker 1: didn't stop them from from flipping him at this time

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Speaker 1: when he clearly had positive trade value. And we've seen

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Speaker 1: afraid to totally shake it up every single year. They're

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Speaker 1: a lot of surplus value young talent in between. Not

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Speaker 1: a flashy move. I just wanted to say that I

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Speaker 1: it's notable. It's notable. So I did put up a

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Speaker 1: a half on purpose, just to give people some time

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Speaker 1: to digest. We got a lot of votes here, six

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Speaker 1: Terrific trade, was it a good trade? Was it a

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Speaker 1: meh trade? Or was it a bad trade? And we

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Speaker 1: only thirty one point nine percent, thirty two percent, about

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Speaker 1: my initial thought was it was a meh trade, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's still where it stands, not to be,

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Speaker 1: that I'll still lean towards that it's not a clear

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Speaker 1: win for the Marlins, just because of all the team

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Speaker 1: control that Simber still had and because of the unique

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Speaker 1: look that he gives as a submariner. Marlins do not

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Speaker 1: record already, like like Simber does, it was a meh trade,

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Speaker 1: but it was fun nonetheless, to have something happen this

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Speaker 1: but it's a good problem to have for us here

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Speaker 3: night here from Gainsville, Florida. This time I am Ethan Badowski,

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Speaker 3: today on a very busy Marlins day. And usually we

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Speaker 3: It feels like it all kind of cancels out in

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Speaker 7: No, right, that's the whole you know, that's the main

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Speaker 6: For sure.

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Speaker 7: It was basically not only to clear money. He was

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Speaker 7: I think also, like Dickerson was not going to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kevin, this is where I kind of looked to

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Speaker 8: With Joe Panic as the utility guy, I think this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, trades don't always have to have winners. And now

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Speaker 2: The Mags train. I will stay on till it dies.

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Speaker 3: The Mags train never dies. Well, he just got knocked

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Speaker 2: I think I was upset to see Simbergo. I really

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Speaker 3: Takes some really impressive BP I'll say this. I've seen

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Speaker 8: Yah know that the the the Blue Jays were interested

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Speaker 9: Enjoy Eli Sussmann, the King of Gifts is back in town.

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Speaker 6: Eli, How are we doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm just thrilled to be here as you celebrate this

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Speaker 5: One hundred percent. So we're going to dive straight into it.

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Speaker 5: This this segment, this conversation is only about one man,

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Speaker 5: Let's go back to the start that we like. You know,

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Speaker 1: The trade was popular, not overwhelmingly so, but all things considered,

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Speaker 1: was pleasantly surprised that Brinson was the headliner. And why

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Speaker 1: was I pleasantly surprised Because he was a consensus not

434
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Speaker 1: only a top one hundred prospect. You know, that's the

435
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 1: line of demarcation we'll use a lot when talking about

436
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: guys who are legit and to get really excited about.

437
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: But he was a consensus top fifty prospect at the

438
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Speaker 1: time of the trade. Entering that twenty eighteen season, he'd

439
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 1: already gotten a little taste of the majors the year before.

440
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: I thought that was so key someone that we'd seen

441
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: in the majors, who've seen hit four hundred and thirty

442
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 1: foot home runs with the Brewers only a couple of them,

443
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 1: but it showed something. There were little flashes of ability

444
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: that he had already shown in the majors the year before,

445
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: to have him at the start of his career with

446
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: six more years of team control coming forward. And I

447
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: mean the icing on top of it all was that

448
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: his connection to Miami, growing up as a professed Marlins

449
00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: fan idolizing Juan Pierre as many other fans of his

450
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: same age did during that early two thousands run. His

451
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: local connection uh added together with his position as an

452
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: outfielder to fill that void directly that was left by

453
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Speaker 1: Yelich and standing in Nosuna and the stage of his

454
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: career that he was at where there were still all

455
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Speaker 1: these amazing possibilities in front of him. There was it

456
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: was Cautiou's optimism that he could be one of the

457
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: key long term pieces of this team.

458
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Speaker 5: I mean, when you when you go back and summarize

459
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 5: it in that way, it's sometimes it's easy to forget that,

460
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 5: Like that was the lens we were looking through at

461
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 5: the time of Listen, you know, yeah, okay, we're moving

462
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 5: on from Yelich. He wasn't what he went on to

463
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 5: be in Milwaukee. Plus, you acquire a major league ready

464
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 5: or on the cusp we'll get into that shortly, but

465
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 5: seemingly major league ready outfielder that was a top fifty

466
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 5: guy prospect you'd think excellent, you know, Plus you got

467
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 5: three others but also were high upside dudes, and we've

468
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 5: obviously seen and you know, we'll maybe won't spend as

469
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 5: much time on them, but it's easy to forget that.

470
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 6: And I think with that perhaps came I guess.

471
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 5: Some expectations, let's say, on Lewis or and equally because

472
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 5: of his connection to Miami, a desire to do well too.

473
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 5: Maybe the pressure was kind of put on him because

474
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 5: if maybe how well Yelich was doing, but equally, you know,

475
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 5: his connection just wanted to do so well himself because

476
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 5: you know, Freez from the area. But that aside, how

477
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 5: would you kind of assess, you know, the early parts

478
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Speaker 5: of his career with the Marlins, you know, in terms

479
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Speaker 5: of his performance, how the Marlins used him.

480
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Speaker 9: Broadly, was he ready?

481
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 5: Was he ready to be there in a full blown,

482
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 5: I guess rebuild situation, which is a very different situation

483
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 5: now too, like a Haesu Sanchez dropping in where it

484
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 5: isn't that type of situation.

485
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Speaker 1: As they say, hindsight is twenty twenty. Living in the moments.

486
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Speaker 1: He was excellent in spring training twenty eighteen. We've come

487
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: to know Printon in spring training and that special connection

488
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: that they have. But he was very impressive in his

489
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: first spring training. He was hitting there the top of

490
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: the lineup almost every day. I think he hit over

491
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: three hundred. He hit a couple home runs, The strikeouts

492
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: were high, but he showed all the tools were on display.

493
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: The reason why he was a highly regarded prospect is

494
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: not necessarily that he had that one individual skill that

495
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: you knew was elite. But he had the potential to

496
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: be above average across the board with his power, with

497
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: his base running, with his defense, and I mean hopefully

498
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: with his hitting. We'll get into that. That's really been

499
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: the difference between the expectations of him and the reality

500
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: of him is that hit tool. During that spring training,

501
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: he was hitting well. He was hitting the ball with authority,

502
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 1: and again, I could put myself back in those shoes

503
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: of March twenty eighteen kind of applauding the team for

504
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: putting him on the opening day roster.

505
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 6: There was some.

506
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: Possibility that they could have optioned him to the miners

507
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: and played with his service time that they understood. Of course,

508
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: that twenty eighteen season was ground floor of the rebuild

509
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: there was. There was just no expectations whatsoever on the

510
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: major league team, and he was not going to make

511
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: a difference one way or the other. So this was

512
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: all about just what was best for him, and it's

513
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: hard to argue with the decision that he was put

514
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: on that opening day roster. From the very beginning of

515
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: the year, he was hitting I think, near the very

516
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: top of the lineup for the first few days. That

517
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: only lasted I don't even think an entire week until

518
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: they dropped him down lower on to take the pressure

519
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: off of him. Very early, he had some of those

520
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: individual plays that really made you say wow. I remember

521
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: he robbed a home run of Mookie Betts during probably

522
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: the second series of his career, in a very pivotal spot,

523
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: showing what he could do defensively. And he did struggle

524
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: a lot with the bed through those first couple of weeks,

525
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: and then they went on the road to play the Brewers,

526
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: and I think this is still like one of the

527
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: key positive moments I guess of his Marlins tenures that

528
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: against the Brewers, he had a couple of home runs,

529
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: including one that was might still still be the furthest

530
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 1: one of his entire career against his former team in

531
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: that situation. I think Christian Yelich also did very well

532
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: on the other side during that same series, but nonetheless

533
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: with Brentson, that was a nice coming out moment, and

534
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: unfortunately it just wasn't didn't have any bearing on the future.

535
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: You know, almost right after that, you saw the same deficiencies.

536
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: He suffered a minor injury towards the middle of the year.

537
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: He came back from the injury, didn't see much improvement,

538
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: and I mean, overall that rookie year, they gave him

539
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: more than four hundred played appearances. When he was healthy,

540
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: he was playing almost every single day, and he just

541
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: did not take advantage of it. He hit the low

542
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 1: two hundred, he did home run, hit eleven homers, but

543
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: the base running wasn't there. He wasn't getting on base enough,

544
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: the strikeouts were high. He was someone that I think

545
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: many people regarded as a potential Rookie of the Year

546
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: contender immediately for that first year for the reasons that

547
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mentioned that he was going to be

548
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: in that position to make an impact and that they

549
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: were going to stick with him even through some pretty

550
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: bad slumps and really they did stick with him that

551
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: first year aside from that injury, and it just was

552
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: a really discouraging first step.

553
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 5: No, what did we see then as we kind of

554
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 5: got into into twenty nineteen. I guess where that was

555
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 5: where I think, you know, the playing time, the kind

556
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 5: of you know, he spent some time in the miners

557
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 5: again in that stage, so clearly the minds were seemingly

558
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 5: trying to take a bit of pressure off him.

559
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 6: I think that was the sense I got. Anyway, what

560
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 6: was your take on that?

561
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: Well Spring training was more the same. He was excellent

562
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: during training. He did have I think relatively close to

563
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: every day playing time coming out of the gate in

564
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, but the offensive struggles were I think even

565
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: more severe coming out of the gate. So it was

566
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: really only about a month into the season. It wasn't

567
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: only him, people unfortunately might not want to reflect on this,

568
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: but that entire twenty nineteen team. They were almost historically

569
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: bad offensively through the early portion of the season. That's

570
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: why the team was losing at such a high rate.

571
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: But he was one of the first ones to get

572
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: sent down. It was really with only I think within

573
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: one month of that twenty nineteen season, they saw there's

574
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: clearly something wrong, something that's not translating from the exhibition

575
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 1: games to the real games. That like, just to go

576
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: more into what the flaws are. Offensively, he doesn't use

577
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: the whole field. He's someone that he pulls the ball

578
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: and his strength is probably going up the middle of

579
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: the field to center field, but he just does not

580
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: hit for any authority to that opposite field. He doesn't

581
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: really recognize other pitch types that he's facing that you

582
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: could really fool him on breaking balls and off speed pitches.

583
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: And that's an ability that for whatever reason, he was

584
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: able to skate by in the upper minor leagues and

585
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: have a lot of success there, put up great numbers

586
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: in the upper miners. He put up great numbers in

587
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: Triple A after they sent him down in twenty nineteen.

588
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: He spent almost half the season in Triple A and

589
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: he was was a really great offensive player down there,

590
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: but against major league quality pitchers that have those wipe

591
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: out secondary pitches, he just had trouble recognizing those pitches,

592
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: trouble adjusting to them and using the entire field, got

593
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: himself behind in the count so often, and it just

594
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: goes down to this foundation for most quality hitters are

595
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: ones that put the ball in play a lot, and

596
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: they also know when to draw their walks when they

597
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: don't get anything to hit. What it seemed like is

598
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: that the league understood that he is not a disciplined hitter,

599
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: and that he doesn't have that particularly good eye to

600
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: perceive what type of pitch is coming out of their hands.

601
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: They would throw him a lot of pitches out of

602
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: the zone. He would chase those pitches out of the zone,

603
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: and he would not be successful with those pitches. The

604
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: overall stats were even worse during that twenty nineteen season.

605
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean, the one that sticks out like a sore

606
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: thumb is zero home runs in seventy five games. That

607
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: was the year in twenty nineteen where home runs were

608
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: higher than ever across the league. He was one of

609
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: the few players anywhere that went even half a season

610
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: into twenty nineteen without going deep even once. And that's

611
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: the one, one of the really the one saving grace

612
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: of his offensive profiles that he could hit the ball

613
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: out if you made a mistake to him, and we

614
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: did not. He did not do that whatsoever during that

615
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: second season.

616
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 5: A shocking, isn't it zero home runs in seventy five

617
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 5: games or what how many played appearances?

618
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: Was that two hundred and forty eight. Wow.

619
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 5: You know, for that type of player that has shown

620
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 5: the ability to do that relatively regularly, you know in

621
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 5: the past, to have zero home runs is it's a

622
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 5: real head scratcher, like it truly is the way that

623
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 5: played out. But you know, we then get into the

624
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 5: twenty twenty season, the shorten twenty twenty season, and I

625
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 5: feel like the decision was taken for Lou to have

626
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 5: a specific role, and actually he was pretty successful, I

627
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 5: would say in twenty in that specific role, Like the

628
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 5: defensive side has always been there. I remember he had

629
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 5: some great plays in twenty twenty, robbed a couple of

630
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 5: homes as well, but from the offensive side, he went

631
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 5: straight up into a platoon. It was like, if there's

632
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 5: a lefty go in, then Lou's got an opportunity to start.

633
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 6: But anything else, it's a bench and pinch hitting and

634
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 6: pinch running probably for Lou.

635
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 5: So you know, that was an interesting kind of change

636
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 5: that the Marlins made there. That actually a thing you

637
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 5: know worked out.

638
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, to be completely frank, after that twenty nineteen season,

639
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you could see with your own eyes what

640
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: the struggles were. But if you dig into the numbers

641
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: and you see players in this age range that got

642
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: this much playing time at this stage of their careers,

643
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: there just didn't seem to be any path for him

644
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: to emulate of a successful everyday player. That usually once

645
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: you see somebody play close to two hundred games at

646
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: the major league level the way that he did those

647
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: first couple of years with his struggles, that all those

648
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: players either flame out of the league or they become

649
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: a part time player. So I remember advocating for them

650
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 1: to just cut ties at that point, less than two

651
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Speaker 1: years after acquiring him in the first place. Unfortunately, the

652
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Speaker 1: team didn't do that, but you're right they did have

653
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Speaker 1: at least the strength to admit that he should not

654
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Speaker 1: be forced into a role that he is not qualified for,

655
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Speaker 1: that they should use him in that platoon situation. He

656
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Speaker 1: ended up platooning specifically with Matt Joyce for a lot

657
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Speaker 1: of that year, and Matt Joyce actually had some nice

658
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Speaker 1: moments as well, even though the final stats didn't really

659
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Speaker 1: reflect that. And I mean, you're right that Brinston performed

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Speaker 1: the best of his career that year. If people that

661
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Speaker 1: use winds above replacement. He performed right around replacement level.

662
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Speaker 1: Now that's not the same as it being an average player,

663
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Speaker 1: that's being just replacement level. That just means worth keeping around,

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Speaker 1: doing something to keep the ball rolling. It's not very

665
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Speaker 1: high praise, but the fact that it was an improvement

666
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Speaker 1: over where he had been the previous two years is

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Speaker 1: very legitimate. You mentioned his defense, and that's the one

668
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Speaker 1: thing I do have to give him credit for is

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Speaker 1: there's been improvement for sure from where he first was

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Speaker 1: when he joined the organization, especially with his arm strength.

671
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Speaker 1: He was doing better in clutch situations as well. Like

672
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Speaker 1: if you dig through his career splits based on the

673
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Speaker 1: situation in the context, what do you find is that

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Speaker 1: across almost all situations he really does struggle, and there's

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Speaker 1: not much of a silver lining to that. But when

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Speaker 1: there are runners in scoring position, especially when there are

677
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Speaker 1: two outs in the ending, when it's up to you

678
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Speaker 1: to extend that ending and to make a difference, he

679
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Speaker 1: has stepped up in those situations way more than he

680
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Speaker 1: has in other circumstances, and twenty was the best example

681
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Speaker 1: of that. Didn't have a big role to play in

682
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Speaker 1: the postseason and Frankly, he did fade down the stretch

683
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Speaker 1: even before getting to the postseason, but that was certainly,

684
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Speaker 1: I guess, the peak of his experience, and you could

685
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Speaker 1: see it both on the field and off the field

686
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: his participation in the iconic cigar ceremony at regular fields

687
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Speaker 1: that he's someone that I think maybe at times in

688
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: his career he's had had issues with his confidence, but

689
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Speaker 1: during that twenty twenty season, it didn't really show up

690
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Speaker 1: whatsoever that he really enjoyed being part of that team.

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Speaker 1: Even in the role that he was in. He embraced

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Speaker 1: his role on that winning team. And I mean that

693
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Speaker 1: was good to see because ultimately he delivered that postseason birth,

694
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Speaker 1: which is something that you cannot be said of the

695
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: previous core that the Marlins had, and that's why I

696
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Speaker 1: think fans kind of gravitated towards that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, I love those images. I love you know,

698
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 5: how Lou embraced that. Yeah, he's definitely had a confidence issue,

699
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Speaker 5: and he's talked about it before about you know, social

700
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 5: media and cutting things out and you know, just trying

701
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Speaker 5: to you know, just be with the people that he

702
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Speaker 5: wants to be with and surround him. I guess probably

703
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 5: with more positive energy. But anyway, listen, we are where

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Speaker 5: we are now. It's you know, towards the end of

705
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Speaker 5: June in twenty twenty one, Sweet lou is currently in

706
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Speaker 5: Triple A. You know, the question is, you know, as

707
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Speaker 5: we approach the deadline or at the end, you know,

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Speaker 5: go into the off season in twenty twenty two, you

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Speaker 5: know what what value Well, firstly, does he need a

710
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Speaker 5: fresh start? And if he does, you know what value

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Speaker 5: does an optionalist Lewis Brinson hold right now? Or is

712
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Speaker 5: you know, is there is then there going to be

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Speaker 5: no trade fits for this type of Lewis Princeton Right now,

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Speaker 5: Eli's shaking his head, So.

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Speaker 1: There's no value just because of the limitations to his bat.

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Speaker 1: The bat is ultimately the most important aspect of your game,

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00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: the bat and the plate discipline, and he's shown neither

718
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Speaker 1: of those. There's a very small number of players that

719
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Speaker 1: you can justify putting in there just on the strength

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Speaker 1: of their defense, and I don't think his defense is

721
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Speaker 1: quite on that Jackie Bradley Junior level, that Byron Buxton level,

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Speaker 1: that he's not quite at that tier that you're willing

723
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Speaker 1: to overlook potential other concerns. The fact that he's out

724
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Speaker 1: of options, that's really the key. Even if the team

725
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Speaker 1: feels that they can rehabilitate this former first round draft pick,

726
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Speaker 1: it's a common reframe. It has happened before. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: entirely dismiss the opportunity that his best days are still

728
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: ahead of him. He's just the value is not going

729
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: to be there on the market. It's really a curious question.

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Speaker 1: And if they designate him for a signmon at any

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Speaker 1: point during the season, whether or not anybody even claims

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Speaker 1: him on waivers, maybe I don't know. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a chance that he could actually sneak through waivers. And

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Speaker 1: if they really do believe in his intangibles and they

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Speaker 1: like his chemistry around the rest of the team, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a chance that he stays in the Marlins organization

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Speaker 1: as a non roster player the rest of this year,

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Speaker 1: heading into twenty twenty two, I feel that's overdue. People

739
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Speaker 1: know how I feel about Harold Ramirez and how entering

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Speaker 1: this twenty twenty one season, I have a hard time

741
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Speaker 1: understanding why they believe that many things being equal about

742
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: the situation of those two players, why they prefer to

743
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: hold on to Lewis Prinston and not Harold Ramirez at

744
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: that time. It's always going to be perplexing that he

745
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: hits so well in spring training, that he hits so

746
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: well at Triple A and it doesn't convert. But honestly,

747
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Speaker 1: he's not unique in that regard. There are a lot

748
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Speaker 1: of players that fall in that same bucket, and those players,

749
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Speaker 1: because of that supply of those players and of course

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Speaker 1: their determination to keep on playing, that just that value

751
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: is all but gone in what he has as a

752
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: tangible player on the market. So it's a question of

753
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: exactly when the Marlins pull the plug. And again it

754
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: could be that awkward situation where they pull the plug

755
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: on him and they have no takers and he actually

756
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: stays in the organization. But you've talked, of course on

757
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: your podcast and us on Fitztrips about all these other

758
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,479
Speaker 1: outfielders in this organization. We saw Hayesu Sanchez breakthrough later

759
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: this summer. We hope to see one or two more.

760
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Speaker 1: Maybe Monte Harrison gets another chance, maybe JJ Blade shows

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Speaker 1: that he's really put it all together. And then further

762
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: down the pipeline they have these other players ready to

763
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Speaker 1: go as well. Also, this team just has the money

764
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Speaker 1: to spend on proven outfielders, whether it's to keep Starling

765
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Speaker 1: Marte or to pursue somebody else. There's no reason to

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Speaker 1: stick with this one player who, aside from a very

767
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: brief stretch, has not shown the makings of being a

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Speaker 1: substantial member of your major league team. So it's been unfortunate.

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Speaker 1: I think, as you kind of referenced earlier, that maybe

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Speaker 1: coming home wasn't actually the best thing for him, that

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00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: maybe he would respond better to a change of scenery.

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Speaker 1: But there's been stretches where I think he tests, and

773
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Speaker 1: his teammates attest to the fact that he puts in

774
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: the work that he really has been determined to be

775
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Speaker 1: the best version of himself. But a talent evaluation is

776
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: very inexact science, and he's kind of the poster child

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00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: for that. And why would this Marlins rebuild, the fact

778
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Speaker 1: that they made a number of other moves to build

779
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: up this depth that they have, why those are so

780
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: crucial because you never know which exact one is going

781
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: to pop. So it's unfortunate that he became somewhat of

782
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: a mascot of this rebuild before he really had the

783
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Speaker 1: chance to prove himself and I just would encourage people

784
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Speaker 1: to not direct any hate towards him for his performance

785
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Speaker 1: that there are that Again, this is it's a complicated game,

786
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Speaker 1: and it's it's a tricky business to know who's going

787
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Speaker 1: to make it and who isn't.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I was going to ask you this question in

789
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Speaker 5: a different way, but I'm going to rephrase it now.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to bring out the shock oh METERA so

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Speaker 5: we need We're going to bring this one out. It's

792
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 5: one to ten on the shock oh meter. Lewis Brinson

793
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Speaker 5: is on the twenty twenty two opening day ROSTA. Give

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Speaker 5: me your one to ten on shot oh meter.

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Speaker 1: There nine. I won't go higher than that, probably a nine.

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Speaker 1: The fact that there were these these milestones along the

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00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: way where I feel they could have hardways with him

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00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: earlier this year or the year before, and they didn't

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Speaker 1: do it, I would be very surprised. A lot of

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Speaker 1: it is conditional on whether they pay Marte and bring

801
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: him back to give them stability in center field. We

802
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: know that they have the other pending free agents in

803
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: the other corners as well. I would hope, not for

804
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: everybody's best interest, I would hope that that's not the case.

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Speaker 1: It'd be very surprising.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought you may go ten, but maybe there

807
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 5: you go, you've reined it back in.

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Speaker 1: I went with nine as a homage to his original

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Speaker 1: uniform number with the Marrons.

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Speaker 5: They go, I have that on the back of a jersey,

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00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 5: that exact one, the OG version of the Lewis Princeton jersey.

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Speaker 6: Awesome.

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Speaker 5: Well, Eli Sussman, really appreciate you hopping on for episode

814
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Speaker 5: one hundred. That was a fascinating segment on Lewis Princeton

815
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Speaker 5: and we got into a lot of detail. I think

816
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 5: it is important to remember what we all thought at

817
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 5: the time and nothing. There's no short things in baseball prospects.

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00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 5: That's you know, we've seen that. We felt that ourselves

819
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 5: clearly with you know, guys that come up and you know,

820
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 5: maybe don't overwhelm us. So it's important to do that.

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Speaker 5: Loo For me, I love the guy, love the the attitude.

822
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 5: You know. It's just the question is is does a

823
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 5: fresh start suit him right now? We wait to see

824
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 5: on that one, I guess, but Eli, thanks so much

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00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 5: for that. I really enjoyed that one. And for the

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Speaker 5: final the final question, of course is where can everyone

827
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Speaker 5: get you on Twitter?

828
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 6: If they if they need to connect up with you.

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Speaker 1: Me personally, they can find me at Real Eli E

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Speaker 1: l Y. But overall, I'm spearheading most of our efforts

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Speaker 1: at fish Stripes Everywhere. You find Fitz Stripes on Twitter,

832
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: on Instagram, our podcast on YouTube, our website fish stripes

833
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: dot com. You can get to contact with me there

834
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: and see our coverage of the Marlins, including Triple A

835
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: Jacksonville where Lewis Brinson is. We keep you up to

836
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: date on all that stuff and we have a lot

837
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Speaker 1: of fun doing it.

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Speaker 2: In to be Pop