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Speaker 1: Thank y'all for tuning in.

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Speaker 2: I'm Peanut Tuman and this is the NFL Players Second

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Speaker 2: Acts Podcast and with me as always as my guy Roman,

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Speaker 2: mister Rogers Harbor.

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Speaker 1: What's up baby?

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Speaker 3: What's up baby?

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 3: That's a general welcoming. So I'll take that.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: No, look with the sweater and all that legs crossed

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Speaker 2: like mister Rogers.

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Speaker 3: It's good.

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Speaker 2: We got the good posture going on, like a like

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Speaker 2: a grandpa and stuff, you know, so I like it.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying. Thank you introduce our guests.

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Speaker 5: I'm really excited about this one too, because and then

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Speaker 5: I want to jump right into something.

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Speaker 2: All right, So this gentleman played thirteen seasons for the Giants,

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers in the Broncos won three Super Bowls,

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Speaker 2: but he's got four Super Bowl rings. He's high school

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Speaker 2: college U Sports aka at Easy aka Adie mac a

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Speaker 2: White Lightning. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the pot and

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Speaker 2: McCaffrey to the show.

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Speaker 4: McCaffrey, thank you. I mean, I think we.

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Speaker 3: Could say one other thing.

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Speaker 5: The man has literally blessed the NFL with multiple children

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Speaker 5: of the NFL as well. Yes, he's just the guy

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Speaker 5: that continues to give mister Ed McCaffrey, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you. It's an honor to be here. I'm

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Speaker 4: thrilled to be here with you guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't realize it was I think so you

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Speaker 2: retired in two thousand and three.

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Speaker 1: My first year was O three.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember the exact of what you did in

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Speaker 2: the game or what I did in the game, but

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Speaker 2: we came up there Chicago my rookie year, and I

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Speaker 2: remember being so out of breath, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: how y'all got used to playing in Colorado.

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Speaker 1: I just was I remember just dying. I was dead

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Speaker 1: the whole game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they have signs all over the stadium. They have

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Speaker 4: oxygen tanks hooked up there. They're trying to get in

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Speaker 4: your head. They're trying to get in your head. It

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Speaker 4: does affect some people. First time I went to a

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Speaker 4: mini camp there, it affected me that first day. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's just tough to breathe. But I've lived

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Speaker 4: there for so long I'm used to it now. But

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Speaker 4: they they get in your head. They remind you you're

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Speaker 4: a mile high and the oxygen is thin. Oh, my god,

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Speaker 4: it is real.

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Speaker 5: Even just walking down the street, you will get more

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Speaker 5: tired if you're not used to the elevation. The first

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Speaker 5: time I went out there, I definitely felt it. It

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Speaker 5: felt different trying to play out there. I never won

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Speaker 5: in Denver either, so maybe that had something to do

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Speaker 5: with it. At least I'll blame it that. Now, what

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Speaker 5: I want to talk to you about, Ed, is this

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Speaker 5: ring you're wearing.

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Speaker 4: Yes, this is now.

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Speaker 3: This is the big Boy too.

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Speaker 5: Now this is your fourth out of you won three

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Speaker 5: as a player with two of Denver, one with the

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Speaker 5: forty nine ers.

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Speaker 4: And I apologize for wearing this. I didn't put the

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Speaker 4: connection with you. Two guys haven't played in this game,

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Speaker 4: so I can tell how this interview is going to

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Speaker 4: go right off the bat. So, yeah, this is from

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl fifty. Yes, I did a whole lot to

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Speaker 4: earn this ring, Fellas, What was that? I talked about

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Speaker 4: the game on the radio for about three and a

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Speaker 4: half hours as a broadcaster for Denver Broncos Radio, but

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Speaker 4: I was at the game. It's the reason I wear

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Speaker 4: this is I do have the other three, but they're

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Speaker 4: locked up in a safety deposit box. If I were

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Speaker 4: You know, John Elway got me my first two rings

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Speaker 4: with the Broncos. Yeah, I got one with the forty

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Speaker 4: nine ers before that. But then he was also the

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Speaker 4: general manager who approved given the broadcast team rings. I

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Speaker 4: don't know if you knew that, but they give the

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Speaker 4: broadcast teams rings. And so we were, you know, calling

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Speaker 4: games at different stadiums across the country, and all the

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Speaker 4: over there like we don't have one of those. Dave

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Speaker 4: who played in the league for a long time as well,

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Speaker 4: did not have a ring. And so John Elwie decided,

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Speaker 4: probably more for Dave than for me, that it was

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Speaker 4: important to give the broadcast team rings. And so there

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Speaker 4: you have it. But again, I don't want to bring

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Speaker 4: back any bad memories or have one of you guys

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Speaker 4: take me out. No bad mirriores.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now I would I do.

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Speaker 5: I would love to know from when you're calling that

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Speaker 5: game Super Bowl fifty. Denver was clearly the underdog in

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Speaker 5: that game. What was your feelings? How are you going

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Speaker 5: about calling that game when all of a sudden, Denver's

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Speaker 5: How are you doing it as a call as a

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Speaker 5: broadcaster knowing that you had kind of been in these

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Speaker 5: similar situations when you were as a player winning the

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Speaker 5: and play that they were playing that day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had the utmost respect for the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 4: What a phenomenal team you guys had. It was really

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Speaker 4: unbelievable offense, defense. And my son Christian are playing for

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Speaker 4: the team next year. So as you know, which he

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Speaker 4: didn't know at the time, he was actually in a

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Speaker 4: he because he was a big fan of Terrell Davis,

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Speaker 4: I grew up rooting for the Broncos. The next year,

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Speaker 4: you know, you see a picture and he's playing with

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Speaker 4: the Panthers. So it's pretty crazy. But I mean, you

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Speaker 4: season of such a bizarre season. Peyton Manning was the starter.

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Speaker 4: They got benched for a long time because of either

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Speaker 4: was a funny episode that happened during the year where

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Speaker 4: Gary Kubiak would watch him work out every morning, and

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Speaker 4: He did what he had to do. They had a

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Speaker 2: I definitely think if we didn't have or if they

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Speaker 1: Would have won that game. I mean, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to do the what if game. I just I just well,

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Speaker 1: that's what defense.

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Speaker 4: And do you guys go back and replay plays in

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Speaker 4: and I do that. I still have PTSD from last

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Speaker 4: year's forty nine Ers lost the Chiefs, Like I didn't

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Speaker 4: even play. You know, my son's playing, So it means

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Speaker 4: more to me than than anyone. And I just see

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Speaker 4: and that was a close game. And it's tough because

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Speaker 4: you can have a great team like you guys had

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Speaker 4: up a little bit short, it's just so tough. It

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Speaker 4: to the game to begin with, yes, and then to

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Speaker 4: win it is even tougher. Yeah, and that's why. That's why. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean last year and you probably never get over it.

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Speaker 4: I remember all of our losses and luckily I didn't

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Speaker 4: and it's tough. So I still replay that game last

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Speaker 2: So I had the good fortune of going to last

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Speaker 2: to John Lway watching the game in the It was

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Speaker 2: like all the Hall of Famers and a Man of

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Speaker 1: And I'm sitting here like that's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's John Elway, Like do you know who they're

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Speaker 2: just like dad, I just there were more geeked out

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was tough. I mean we met right after

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Speaker 4: sat down for about an hour just kind of debriefing.

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Speaker 4: It's like you do have PTSD. It's like you just

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Speaker 4: finished a battle. You've been competing the whole time, you

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Speaker 4: know how it is after the game, you're getting interviewed

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Speaker 4: and you're you know, you're staying strong, and then afterwards

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Speaker 4: you just have to let it out. And it was

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Speaker 4: very frustrating as an I love him no matter what

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Speaker 4: him know that, you know, you know, no regrets, man.

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Speaker 4: I mean sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But if

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Speaker 4: you prepared the right way and you left it out

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Speaker 4: all on the field, that's all you can ever do,

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Speaker 4: and that's all you can ever ask of yourself as

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Speaker 4: a man. So I know he does that every time

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Speaker 4: he takes the field, and he can hold his head

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Speaker 4: up high, but it doesn't take away from the pain

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Speaker 4: of defeat.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So word on the street is that you are

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Speaker 5: an all time great at being a prankster.

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Speaker 4: Me you, Oh no, not me.

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Speaker 3: That's not what I'm hearing. So we all know we

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Speaker 3: have this.

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Speaker 5: We've heard this story through the great I guess back

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Speaker 5: in the day you called Claude Lemieux and Bill Romanowski,

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Speaker 5: you and your wife. You had your wife in on

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Speaker 5: this prank where you guys are going to be the

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Speaker 5: water company, and that you called him and said we're

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Speaker 3: Now, this is a great prank.

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Speaker 3: He goes on the road too, So yeah, a traveling

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Speaker 4: I've put together so many different highlight clips of all

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Speaker 4: But this particular person dressed up in a mascot outfit,

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Speaker 6: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 3: And I knew you growing up. I watched you play.

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Speaker 5: You stood out to me because you were the guy

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Speaker 3: You weren't a big glove guy. I have a picture

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Speaker 5: You're in gloves, okay, all right, which is totally not

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, your rookie year. You went way back in

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Speaker 1: What injury?

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Speaker 4: So that was before I started. That was before I

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Speaker 4: lighting it up, so this you know, believe it or not.

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Speaker 4: I never played special teams in my life until the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Well, I always want to know this is the thank

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Speaker 4: And when it's humid like East Coast, there's humidity, so

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Speaker 4: out for the forty nine ers and they were a

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00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,000
Speaker 4: team that had a shot at winning a Super Bowl.

438
00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,879
Speaker 4: And I got to camp and it's Jerry Rice and

439
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,840
Speaker 4: John Taylor and two other receivers who made the team

440
00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:00,159
Speaker 4: the year before, about fourteen receivers in camp, and you know,

441
00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,400
Speaker 4: so I'm competing to back up Jerry Rice. It only

442
00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,119
Speaker 4: took four receivers. I mean, I don't know how many

443
00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,399
Speaker 4: teams in the History League and take four receivers, but

444
00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,400
Speaker 4: that's all we took on the team. And all four

445
00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,520
Speaker 4: of them were back from the year before. And then

446
00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,360
Speaker 4: so I'm backing up Jerry and I'm going against Dean

447
00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,920
Speaker 4: Sanders every day in practice, and I'm thinking, this is

448
00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,520
Speaker 4: how I'm gonna make the team, right, like having to

449
00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,400
Speaker 4: compete with Jerry and having to beat Dean Sanders in practice.

450
00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,480
Speaker 4: And so I tried to do everything humanly possible to compete.

451
00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,760
Speaker 4: So I lost every bit of equipment. I found a

452
00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,760
Speaker 4: pair of shoulder pads in the college equipment room that

453
00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,840
Speaker 4: were like, they're probably their punters pads from the nineteen sixties.

454
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,119
Speaker 4: I could show them to you'd laugh at them. You

455
00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,240
Speaker 4: would never let anybody care about where these pass.

456
00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,400
Speaker 3: I tried to look it up the kind that you had.

457
00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,719
Speaker 4: They're about this big. But you know what trendsetter like,

458
00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,120
Speaker 4: I missed my calling because now what I mean, even

459
00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,800
Speaker 4: d Lyman, how small are their passed?

460
00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:50,119
Speaker 3: Everybody?

461
00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,879
Speaker 4: Right, So that's what I was wearing just before it

462
00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,760
Speaker 4: became trendy. And then regarding the uniform, I would cut

463
00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,080
Speaker 4: every little and I was a little superstitious about this.

464
00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,000
Speaker 4: Eventually every game that I play, once I started doing it,

465
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,399
Speaker 4: I had to at least cut off a little bit

466
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,000
Speaker 4: of material. So mentally I'm a little bit lighter than

467
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,000
Speaker 4: the week before. I hate it when we wore new uniforms,

468
00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,520
Speaker 4: when they Hey, we got a new uniform for this week.

469
00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I got to do a lot of

470
00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,800
Speaker 4: work to trim that thing down. You're gonna give it.

471
00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,399
Speaker 3: So you would cut uniforms every week?

472
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, So did you have it hemmed or anything, or

473
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:19,760
Speaker 1: you just cut the jersey?

474
00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,760
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I I would do whatever they would let

475
00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,040
Speaker 4: me get away with, so a lot of you know,

476
00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,359
Speaker 4: sometimes you get a flag back then if your pants

477
00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,840
Speaker 4: were too high. I did get fined for showing too

478
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,840
Speaker 4: much skin because I try to you know, have the

479
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,600
Speaker 4: pants used to come below your knee with the knee

480
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,639
Speaker 4: pad and think about it. You know, nobody wants to

481
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,840
Speaker 4: run around in that. So you know, I slowly started

482
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,080
Speaker 4: hemming the pants up a little bit. At one point

483
00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,879
Speaker 4: I sewed the socks to the pants so they just

484
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 4: hung from the pants. And then you know, wore regular

485
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,520
Speaker 4: socks and kind of put a piece of tape around them,

486
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 4: and then with the jersey. Back in the day, they

487
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,919
Speaker 4: make good equipment now, but back in the day, you

488
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 4: had two layers of padding, like on your shoulder pads,

489
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,600
Speaker 4: because you know, the equipment managers don't want to hem

490
00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,199
Speaker 4: up your jerseys every time there's a hole in it.

491
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,200
Speaker 4: So there'd be a lot and then another layer under

492
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 4: that and they'd be heavy. So I would just cut

493
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 4: out all the second layers out of out of my pants, Like,

494
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 4: if you're not wearing thipads and the pads, what do

495
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 4: you need the things that hold with thipads and the pads.

496
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 4: So they were just like tights, And then cut out

497
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,240
Speaker 4: all the extra material out of the jersey. And I'll

498
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 4: tell you what, I felt lighter. I really did feel lighter,

499
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 4: even if it even if it was mental, we're talking

500
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 4: like a couple pounds maybe, yeah, but mentally I felt

501
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 4: way better. Yeah, Yeah, it worked.

502
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 5: I want to know what it was like being on

503
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 5: that forty nine Ers team. That's I grew up a

504
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,439
Speaker 5: forty nine Ers fan. That was a great year to

505
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,959
Speaker 5: be a forty nine Ers fan. Dion Sanders comes in

506
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 5: for free agency, Steve Young gets the monkey elfice back

507
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 5: whinning the Super Bowl. Jerry Rice puts up monster numbers

508
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 5: which he was used to doing. Just what was it

509
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 5: like being on that team, being in that same wide

510
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 5: receiver room with the grade of Jerry Rice, And you

511
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 5: weren't there long at all, but then I for totally

512
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 5: forgot you were competing against Dion Sanders, just trying to

513
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 5: make the tea.

514
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it was a turning point in my career.

515
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 4: I'm so glad I believed in my self and try

516
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 4: it out to make that team. You know, I had

517
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,199
Speaker 4: to ask my agent to get me a tryout, Like

518
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 4: I just want to get in camp and try to

519
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 4: prove myself. And I would love it to win a

520
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 4: Super Bowl. How cool would that be? Because I had

521
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 4: just gotten cut, so I wasn't I played for the

522
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 4: league minimum one hundred and thirty six thousand, right, and

523
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't care about money. Just get me

524
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 4: on that team. Give me a chance to compete to

525
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 4: make that team because it was not going to be easy,

526
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 4: and it was. It was an unbelievable experience that Steve

527
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 4: Young embraced me right away, was totally cool to me.

528
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 4: Bart Oates was with the New York Giants. He was there.

529
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 4: Harris Barton literally, yeah, Harris Barton let me live at

530
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 4: his house until I had a place, until I made

531
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 4: the team. Brent Jones was cool. William barn and Floyd

532
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 4: was my roommate. He was a rookie that year, but

533
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 4: he was a great player. Yeah, and uh so he

534
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 4: gave name even better, Yeah, even better, and then uh,

535
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 4: you know, just going against Deanner. It was a great team.

536
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,199
Speaker 4: Jesse Sapola. I mean, so many of those guys I

537
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 4: still keep in touch with to this day. I was

538
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 4: there seven months and we won a super Bowl, and uh,

539
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 4: I got there late in training camp, we won a

540
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 4: super Bow. On signed with Denver, you know, like a

541
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 4: month later. But I still have friends this day from

542
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 4: that team. And it was it was such a professionally

543
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 4: run organization. And I give Eddie de Bartlow credit for

544
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 4: that and Jed York. Now, they treated their players the

545
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 4: right way. They practiced the right way. It was the

546
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 4: first team ever played for that had shells. I'm like,

547
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 4: what are shells? I'd only practice in full pads all

548
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 4: the time. Helmet we win, you have helmet day, helmet

549
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 4: day on Friday, just a helmet like that was new,

550
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 4: That was innovative. Now, I came from a place where

551
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 4: we went full pads every day and had two live

552
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 4: scrimmages a week in training camp, live scrimmages all the

553
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 4: way to guys like you be taking people out over

554
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 4: the middle for sure, and there's no flag. You're celebrating

555
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 4: because there's no refs either. I'm like, oh man, what

556
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 4: is going on? So I just couldn't believe it. They

557
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 4: fed them right, they treated them right, They traveled first class.

558
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 4: The players. They're expected to win super Bowls. That was

559
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 4: the expectation. And I was around a bunch of Hall

560
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 4: of famers and a bunch of great coaches, and they

561
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 4: had won Super Bowls, and so that was for me.

562
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 4: That's the first time I got to experience such a

563
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 4: different field than New York. Now New York had just

564
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 4: won a Super Bowl right before I got there, so

565
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 4: they were good. You know. It was Bill Pelajack defensive coordinator,

566
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 4: Parcels head coach, and they had a lot of thirty

567
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 4: plus year old players, probably the oldest team in the league.

568
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 4: But then by the time I left there, a lot

569
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 4: of those guys had retired or moved on, but they

570
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 4: were That was a phenomenal team as well. But it

571
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 4: was a different experience in San Francisco, and it was

572
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,719
Speaker 4: really tough to make that team. I bet you if

573
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 4: if we could go back behind closed doors, I barely

574
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 4: made that team. But the reason it was a different

575
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 4: experience is because I remember walking out to practice one

576
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 4: day and I had sprained my ankle and it was

577
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 4: killing me. We were doing all kinds of crazy stuff,

578
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 4: like running rubbing EMU.

579
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 3: Oil on it because they still do.

580
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 4: So we broke out the EMU back in nineteen ninety four,

581
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 4: and maybe it was before that, I don't know. Dmso

582
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 4: with some cortizone cream. Anyway, we were doing everything. But

583
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 4: you know, you're competing against the most accomplished receiver. I'm

584
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 4: not trying to beat them out, but I'm just trying

585
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 4: to hang. You know, the show that I belong with

586
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 4: Jerry Rice and then going against the on Sanders every day,

587
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I got beat him and show that

588
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 4: I can do something in practice every day. And I

589
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 4: remember walking out to practice just kind of limping a

590
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 4: little bit with the ankles taped up like spatted so thick,

591
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 4: it was like a cast. And I'm walking out there thinking, Okay,

592
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 4: there's fourteen receivers here, all four from the year before here.

593
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 4: It's like one hundred and twenty two degrees in Rockland, California.

594
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 4: It was like, I'm going against Dion again today, and

595
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 4: I just started laughing, like amount I don't even care anymore,

596
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 4: Like I'm just gonna I'm gonna win the day, Like

597
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 4: win one route, beat Dean on a slant route. I'll

598
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 4: talk about it to my two month old son Max

599
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 4: for the rest of his life. That's what he's gonna

600
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 4: hear about. Maybe that's my NFL career. I don't know.

601
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 4: You're not worried about making the team, not worried about money.

602
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 4: I love football. This might be my last day. And

603
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 4: I just started laughing in I literally physically stood up straighter, yeah,

604
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 4: and felt lighter and walked out. I'm like, I feel different,

605
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 4: like just letting all of that go. Stop stressing, stop pressing,

606
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 4: Just whatever happens happens. And you know, to me, that

607
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 4: was kind of a flashpoint in my career. I became

608
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 4: a better player just because I stopped pressing as much

609
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 4: and went on. You know, Luckily, I was on some

610
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 4: great teams and we won three Super Bowls in the

611
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 4: next five years, and it was just a miraculous run.

612
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 4: But it all started with getting cut, and then it

613
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 4: all started with just me being able to surrender to

614
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 4: whatever happens happens. Let me control what I can control, Yes,

615
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 4: my attitude, my effort. I'm gonna do the best that

616
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 4: I can, and whatever happens happens, and it's almost not

617
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 4: even up to me anymore. I don't know that it

618
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 4: was a changing point in my life.

619
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so being in San Francisco for the seven months,

620
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: you got there late in training camp, and then you

621
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 2: go to Denver. You change your number from eighty one

622
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 2: to eighty seven. You go to Denver and you become

623
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: that dude. You know, you make the Pro Bowl, you

624
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: had three straight seasons of one thousand yards. You're an

625
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: integral part of that organization to help them win to

626
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: Super Bowls. Did you take what you learned in San

627
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 2: Francisco with you to Denver?

628
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think we're always learning. I mean everything that

629
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 4: happened to me leading up to my career in Denver

630
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 4: helped me come the player that eventually became. And so

631
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 4: I took lessons that I learned in New York. I

632
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 4: took lessons that I learned in San Francisco. I did

633
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 4: copy Jerry Rice, like the way he ran some of

634
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 4: his routes.

635
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: How would you not?

636
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I mean, I'm like, I'm just gonna take

637
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 4: whatever I can from him and just watch him on film.

638
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 4: And one of the things he was really really good

639
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 4: at is getting off the line fast. He was the

640
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 4: first one off the line every time. He timed the

641
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 4: snap count perfectly. So even if you were faster than him,

642
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 4: when you looked at the tape, he was five yards

643
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: down the field quicker than you were. And so I'm like,

644
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 4: I'm going to be as fast as i can off

645
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 4: the line. Another thing he did really well, he was

646
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 4: such a he was so good at running through the catch.

647
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 4: So he would catch it and turn up field instantly,

648
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 4: you know, So he'd run like a shallow cross and

649
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 4: catch it and be gone. And he turned so many

650
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 4: six yard routes into six yard touchdowns because he was

651
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 4: so good at running through the catch. And I'm like, okay,

652
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna try to get a little better at running

653
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 4: through the catch. The way he ran his comeback route,

654
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 4: so twenty yards back down your stem at a forty

655
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 4: five degree angle to eighteen. But he would not just

656
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 4: run it like it's drawn up in the book. He'd

657
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 4: run it and bend a little bit to the post

658
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 4: sometimes or like fake like it's a go route, and

659
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 4: then come back sometimes look over his shoulder and I'm like,

660
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: he runs his comeback routes three different ways, and I'm like, Okay,

661
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 4: I never felt like I had the autonomy to do that.

662
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 4: I wasn't allowed to do that. Yeah, and I'm like, well,

663
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 4: it's working for him. So I actually learned for him

664
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: before I got there, because we played when I was

665
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 4: with the Giants, we played against him in a playoff

666
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: game in San Francisco, and I was watching his film

667
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 4: before we played him and stole how he ran his

668
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 4: comeback route and got open again against them in the game.

669
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 4: And so, you know, I learned a lot just by

670
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 4: watching how hard he competed, how he ran his routes,

671
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 4: how he conditioned in the off season. And I took

672
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 4: whatever I could, like we all do, right, You learn

673
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 4: whatever you can and you take it with you to

674
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 4: try to become better. And then I got, you know,

675
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 4: I got to Denver. I was betting on myself again,

676
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 4: like they had a couple of first round draft picks

677
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 4: as receivers, and you know, it was kind of Rod

678
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 4: Smith and I. He was coming off the practice squad

679
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 4: and I just signed with the team and we were competing.

680
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 4: But it almost felt like I was a rookie all

681
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: over again, because now I'm getting a chance to compete,

682
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 4: but I'm definitely starting out as a backup. And Rod

683
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 4: and I would only get in like on run plays

684
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 4: and they'd make us block. But that was again because

685
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 4: I had kind of surrendered already. I'm like, I'm just

686
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 4: gonna be the best I can be. And Rod and

687
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 4: I had so much fun blocking like that. As a receiver,

688
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 4: you're not known for your blocking, right, But that's the

689
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 4: only way we got on film. In One of our

690
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 4: goal was to get our head coach, Mike Shanahan to

691
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 4: notice this on film, whether it was in a scrimmage

692
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 4: we scrimmage back then, and whether it was in a game.

693
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 4: It's like we went in front of the team when

694
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: they're breaking down the film us to have a decleader.

695
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 4: And it wasn't enough to just block. We're looking for

696
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 4: dec leaders, like we have to knock someone on the

697
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: ground to get noticed. And if the head coach stopped

698
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 4: the film and rewound it and showed it to the

699
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: whole team, oh that was That was the best thing

700
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 4: that could happen to us at the time. And so

701
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 4: and then we'd have bets in games, you know, because

702
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 4: you know how it is with backup receivers. A lot

703
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: of people don't know this, but some of those guys

704
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 4: are never getting the ball. You're in on run plays

705
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 4: and you're clearout was probably knew who they were when

706
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 4: they got the play.

707
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we'd be like rabbit alert, right because so

708
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 5: so that was.

709
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 4: Me and I'm like, okay, well, you know, here we

710
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 4: go and we'd have little side bets like five bucks

711
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: for every dec leader, and we get a couple of

712
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 4: game and just we'd get our chance. And then eventually,

713
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 4: right when you're doing so well in the run game,

714
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 4: the coaches maybe accidentally leave you in and then you

715
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 4: catch a pass and you're like, all right, you know

716
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: you got to you got to take advantage of that

717
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 4: opportunity if they throw you a pass. But then all

718
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you make a couple of plays. Maybe

719
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 4: you weren't even supposed to be making plays, but you did,

720
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 4: and now they feel more comfortable leaving you in, and

721
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 4: so that's so it was really cool. Rod was such

722
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 4: an incredible teammate, but we climbed the ranks together even

723
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: though he was coming off the practice squad, like as

724
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 4: a second year gun. I was a fourth year guy

725
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 4: at the time, going in my fifth year in Denver.

726
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 4: It felt like I was starting all over again. And

727
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 4: then that was the beginning of a really good run

728
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 4: for us on the Denver Broncos. And we had we

729
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 4: had a lot of fun. But I think it started

730
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 4: with with guys like Rod and some of my other

731
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 4: teammates to go along with John Elway and Hall of

732
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 4: Fame type caliber players for us to be able to

733
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: put those teams together. But I was having fun, and

734
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes sometimes it doesn't seem like fun. Sometimes

735
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 4: you're working so hard and you want it so bad

736
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 4: you start pressing. But it was again me just being

737
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 4: able to surrender. I'm a backup. They put me on

738
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: a run play, So what am I going to do

739
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 4: about it? Let's have some fun.

740
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 5: Blocking, you know, you leave me right into where we

741
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 5: wanted to talk about. Which is the big block you

742
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 5: made in Super Bowl thirty two versus the linebacker.

743
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: His name was Brian Williams, and he's a heck of

744
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: a player, too great player, But what a block?

745
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 4: I mean, thank you.

746
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: First of all, that's two penalties in today's NFL.

747
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 4: Thirty yards of penalty. No doubt I might have got ejected.

748
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, And then the point, which what did you legal. All, yes,

749
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 7: all very much. It was the rules you said that

750
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 7: you let.

751
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 4: It was illegal back then I would not have done it.

752
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, and in his defense, he was a linebacker,

753
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 4: was a pretty big duty and he didn't see me coming,

754
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 4: so it made the block a whole lot easier. But uh,

755
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 4: I will never I never will never tell the.

756
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 5: Super Bowls did the five dollars go up to ten dollars?

757
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 5: I think they should know it.

758
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: But by that time Rod and I were starting and

759
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 4: we didn't have to worry about those bits. Yeah, okay,

760
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 4: we were just worried about wins at that point.

761
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, but I want you to take me through

762
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 5: that play and what exactly did.

763
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: You say to him or did you say anything?

764
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I was so concerned. You know, if

765
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 4: if crack back blocks or peel back blocks were legal,

766
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 4: that would be on the teach tape, no doubt, right,

767
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: because so I'm so careful to make sure I get

768
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 4: my head around hit him in the front and not

769
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 4: from behind, because I don't want to get a penalty.

770
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 4: Howard Griffiths caught a pass out of the backfield and

771
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 4: I just kind of peeled back literally and tried to

772
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 4: help out and get a block, so it worked out great.

773
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 4: I don't know, it was instinctual, like I didn't plan

774
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 4: a point. You know, you never even know if that

775
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 4: block's going to happen. It just I don't know. I

776
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 4: got caught up in the emotion of the game.

777
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 3: It just kind of happened, Okay, Yeah, I just I

778
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: just want to know.

779
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: I've been asked many times, but I never I'll never

780
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 4: tell what I said.

781
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: I have an idea of what he said. We're not

782
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: gonna repeat it.

783
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 4: I definitely it was all grated.

784
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely was g rated. Who says r rated stuff on

785
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: the football field?

786
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 4: Right?

787
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: My My question to you is, you've been in.

788
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: You've got three Super Bowls, You've been to one, You've

789
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: got one, I've lost one.

790
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: Whatever, that's another story for another Be quiet, why you

791
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: do that?

792
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 4: Why you do that?

793
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: I want to be honest with it.

794
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: Don't need to know that.

795
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 4: You want two conference championships. Yes, I like that, Yeah,

796
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 4: I like that. I used to not think that way,

797
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 4: but I have recently.

798
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: Thank you.

799
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start I received it is not easy to

800
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: win a conference championship.

801
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: Sir, you are I'm gonna start receiving that. Having won

802
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: three Super Bowls? What did that do for your career?

803
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 4: One? It made my life living in Colorado like a

804
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 4: dream in what way? Because people are so cool to me.

805
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: I go to the grocery store, people are saying hello

806
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 4: talking about the nineteen nineties when we won Super Bowl

807
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 4: thirty thirty three. The Broncos organization treats me really well.

808
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 4: It just it creates these lifelong memories that you get

809
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 4: to take with you for the rest I mean the

810
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 4: rest of your life. But it also created a bond,

811
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 4: you know, not just with your teammates and the players

812
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: that you played with in your coaches, but almost the community.

813
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 4: It was. It was especially cool because it was the

814
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 4: first championship the Denver Broncos ever won. Yeah, so they

815
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 4: had lost a lot of Super Bowls, and the fan

816
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 4: base was, how do I say, not very confident that

817
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: we were going to beat the Packers when we went

818
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 4: into that game as fourteen point underdogs. And so I've

819
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 4: gotten a better appreciation for lifelong fans because of our

820
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 4: ability to win Super Bowl thirty two. There were, you know,

821
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 4: fathers and sons who had been going to games for

822
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 4: thirty years, and some of them were like my father

823
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 4: passed and couldn't make this one, but he would be

824
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 4: so happy if he was here to witness. And so

825
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 4: the game of football is obviously about playing the game,

826
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 4: but for fans, it's like it unites family members and

827
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 4: friends and they create memories rooting for their favorite teams.

828
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 4: The people that work in the community, that run restaurants

829
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 4: and bars, or are doing the valet or the parking

830
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 4: or cleaning the stadium, like so many people's lives are

831
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 4: invested in these games. And it was such a thrill

832
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 4: for so many people. And I feel like I meet

833
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 4: a new person almost every other day that I had

834
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 4: never met before, and we have this common bond of

835
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 4: having shared that experience together. And I don't know, for me,

836
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 4: it's cool. I never envisioned that when I was a

837
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 4: little kid dreaming of catching touchdowns and Super Bowls are

838
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 4: making plays. I never thought about like when you're retired

839
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: and not playing anymore. I never thought I'd get to

840
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 4: as old as I am right now. I mean I

841
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 4: was a kid that like the average age is fifty

842
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 4: six for NFL football players. I'm like, all right, that's

843
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 4: that's me.

844
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 3: Now.

845
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 4: I didn't plan on getting as far. But I never

846
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 4: thought about, like just how cool it is to share

847
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 4: that bond with people just in everyday life. You know,

848
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 4: mail in a letter, go to the grocery store, I

849
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 4: had a movie, theater, you name it. It's like every

850
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: other day I run into somebody and they are so

851
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: cool to me and I'm so appreciative of them.

852
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: That's kind of how Chicago fans are. Like you said

853
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: about the father and the Son, I didn't really just

854
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: to peggyback what you're saying. I didn't feel that. I

855
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: got injured one day and I never had a chance

856
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: to tailgate. So I got injured. I'm on ir so

857
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I'm gonna go tailgating.

858
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: So I go hang out with some fans and I

859
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: eat the food and we're celebrating, and it was like, oh, we've.

860
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: Been doing this since.

861
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 2: Nineteen yeah, forty five, my dad this and that, and

862
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 2: so yeah, I completely get what you're saying.

863
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 4: It was that a cool experience, wasn't it.

864
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: It was a great experience because it allowed you, a

865
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: player to connect with those fans on a level that

866
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: I never thought I would ever dream of. I just

867
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 2: thought about playing football. Now it's like, well, wait, I'm

868
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: a fan with the fans like.

869
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 4: This is, and when you were playing, it would have

870
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 4: been too crazy because you'd have had like one hundred

871
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 4: thousand people wanted to get your autograph and take pictures

872
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 4: and everything. Just like once you retire and you step back.

873
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 4: And I was thinking about that the other day, like

874
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 4: when you're playing, you're in it, yeah, like you're competing.

875
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 4: You don't really, I don't know. I didn't have time

876
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 4: to reflect on any successes or even failures, Like you're

877
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 4: still in it, you're still competing. But then years later

878
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 4: you can sit back and kind of appreciate the good

879
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 4: times and then maybe you know, interact with the fans

880
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 4: in it at a level that you wouldn't do when

881
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 4: you were a player. I know that's what's happened for me,

882
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 4: and so I'm glad you got to have that experience.

883
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 4: That was great. Yeah, absolutely great.

884
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're gonna take a short break and we'll be

885
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 6: right back.

886
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 4: You know.

887
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 5: I just think it's so cool and I would love

888
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 5: to hear if you've had the chance to do this,

889
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 5: So you know, every you know, whenever Super Bowl Week happens,

890
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 5: all on the NFL network, they always replay all the

891
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 5: Super Bowls, the thirty minute cut ups, this, that and

892
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 5: the other. And my oldest son who's in second grade now,

893
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 5: really he just figured out that, like his dad was

894
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 5: like a real back in the day, and he thinks

895
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 5: it's the coolest thing ever. And they had Super Bowl

896
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 5: forty four where we won, and just seeing me on

897
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 5: TV like in a jersey because he was not an

898
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 5: age where he actually can remember that. And to see

899
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 5: that sharing those moments with your kids, what is that

900
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 5: moment like as they continue to grow, Like, what does

901
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 5: that do for them? I would love to know from you,

902
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 5: from yours, your experience, to know what I might have

903
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 5: an actually opportunity to actually do or live through because

904
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 5: I've seen your children. I've seen your sons be all

905
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 5: stars at all different levels and continue to do those things,

906
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 5: and you being right there in the shadows the whole time,

907
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 5: making sure that it's still all about them, but still

908
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 5: sharing in all the joys of what they've been able

909
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 5: to create and ultimately just trying to be like their dad. Really,

910
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 5: and also give a shout out to your wife and

911
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 5: your father in law as well, is also known as

912
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 5: a great athlete.

913
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 4: I'm very lucky, I'm married well, I think one of

914
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: the best things a man can do in this world

915
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 4: is married. Well, yes, marry the right person. And I

916
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 4: was very blessed to have met Lisa, fall in love

917
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 4: and gotten married. And she's an incredible mom and incredible wife.

918
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 4: Hey look, there's no like perfect textbook that teaches you

919
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 4: how to be a dad. So thank you for being

920
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 4: a dad who loves your kids. And it's there for

921
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 4: him because not everyone has that luxury. And and so

922
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 4: you know, my oldest two boys, Max and Christian, were

923
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: old enough, barely old enough to remember the Super Bowl,

924
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 4: so they remembered when I played and had that experience.

925
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 4: I have two other sons, Dylan and Luke, who were

926
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 4: a little too young to remember. When I retired. They

927
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: were still too young to remember that I played, but

928
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 4: they heard about it, and and I think it's cool

929
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 4: that they get to watch your film and are proud

930
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 4: of you know, when they get older, they'll be making

931
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 4: fun of you. That's where I am. Okay, okay, yeah,

932
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 4: they'll be making fun of you. Like I was talking,

933
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 4: you know, someone brought up our two high school basketball championships,

934
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 4: and my youngest son found a way to google it

935
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 4: and saw me throwing the ball out of bounds at

936
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 4: the end of the game to lose the game, Like,

937
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 4: where did you find that tape? Yeah, in my memory

938
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: we won that game. Yeah, And so they'll mess with you.

939
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 4: But but you know, Lisa and I decided early on

940
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 4: that we wanted to encourage our kids to follow their

941
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 4: dreams and pursue whatever it is they wanted to pursue,

942
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 4: as long as they were passionate about it, as long

943
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 4: as they loved what they were doing. It didn't have

944
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 4: to be football. We never signed them up for football.

945
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 4: We waited for them to ask to play, and I

946
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 4: thought it was important. I don't know, you know, I

947
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 4: know NFL players who won't even let their kids play

948
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 4: FOOTBA because they don't want them to have to live

949
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 4: up to those expectations. And it's tough, right, if you're

950
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 4: really successful in something, you live in that city and

951
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 4: then you're you know, a kid of a professional athlete

952
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: has pressures if they allow them to be, pressures that

953
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 4: other kids don't have, right, they're always getting compared to someone.

954
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 4: I didn't get compared to anybody. There were no pro

955
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,479
Speaker 4: athletes in my family. Whatever I accomplished was great because

956
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 4: there were no expectations, but when you know, there might

957
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 4: be added expectations for a kid of a pro athlete.

958
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: So you know, I don't even have Lombardi trophies at

959
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 4: my house. I never I've been to the Super Bowl

960
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 4: every year. I've never worn a ring. But I'm an

961
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 4: empty nester. Now my kids are grown up. They're playing

962
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 4: in the NFL well, and I am proud of the

963
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 4: years that I had as a player, and they know

964
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 4: about it for sure. But I never tried to add

965
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: any undue pressure on what they were doing, and I

966
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 4: supported them. It just happened to be that they all

967
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: ended up playing football, which is crazy. I don't think

968
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 4: it's that crazy, I guess. I mean a lot of

969
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 4: kids do following the footsteps of their fathers and have

970
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: the similar passions. But I tried. I tried to always

971
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 4: make sure they knew after every season that they could

972
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 4: stop playing. Like, hey, once you commit, you're committed to

973
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 4: your team, teammates and your coaches and your school. And

974
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 4: then if you don't want to play at the end

975
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 4: of the year, you know, reassess, and but you're not

976
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: going to sit around and do nothing, Like we weren't

977
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 4: going to have the video game kids, you know you're

978
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 4: gonna either. You know, you can be part of STEM,

979
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 4: you can get a job, you can play another sport,

980
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 4: you can join a club. But you always have to

981
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 4: be doing something. So find out what you love and

982
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 4: chase your dreams and be the best at what you're doing.

983
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: So that was my goal. But it is cool. I mean,

984
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 4: you know, they're playing with you on a video game

985
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 4: and they're throwing you the ball. That's kind of cool.

986
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 4: Uh you know. Now now my kids are on their

987
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: own video games, probably throwing the ball to themselves. But no,

988
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 4: it's fun. Kids are a blessing. They're blessing and so

989
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 4: enjoy it. Thank you. Yours are young. They will grow up.

990
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 4: You will blink and they will be all grown up.

991
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: I got one out of the house now, and I'm

992
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: I think it's crazy.

993
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: I tell you, yeah, I have one out of the

994
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: house now. She's in college. She's a she's my hooper,

995
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: she's my basketball.

996
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: Player, and I, like you said, I have more joy

997
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: watching her play basketball, like it is the coolest ever.

998
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: I absolutely love it. It's the coolest thing. I just

999
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: sit back and just man, that's like the first game

1000
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is I got

1001
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: teary out, like, oh man, is she at college? Like,

1002
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is this is awesome.

1003
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, having more love for someone than you have for yourself,

1004
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 4: wanting more for them than what you than you want

1005
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 4: for yourself, is such just an unbelievable experience. It's the

1006
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 4: miracle of being a parent.

1007
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the coolest one of the We do

1008
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: a little bit of research and someone asked you your

1009
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: top three plays of your career, and you had just

1010
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 2: said something that made me think about it. I think

1011
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 2: that one of the coolest things about you in the

1012
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: twenty minutes that we've got to talk and us getting

1013
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: to know you is you are a very selfless guy.

1014
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: And out of the hundreds of plays that you've played

1015
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: in your career in the NFL, two of the three

1016
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: are about other people that don't even involve you.

1017
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: I think one was Rod Smith super Bowl thirty two.

1018
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: He caught one post posts you said.

1019
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: You knew it was over.

1020
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh I knew it was over. The game was

1021
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 4: over on that play.

1022
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: Oh it's good.

1023
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was so happy for Rod too, and I

1024
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 4: was I had great teammates, man. So my number one

1025
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: play I don't even blink. It was Super Bowl thirty

1026
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 4: two victory formation job, Yeah, that was. I mean I

1027
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 4: think about that play almost every day. Yeah, that play

1028
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: is in slow motion rewind for me every day of

1029
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 4: my life. And you know, I'm don in the v

1030
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 4: I I'm in the back, in the backfield behind John Elway.

1031
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 4: John Elway has gone to a couple Super Bowls and lost.

1032
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: The Denver Broncos have never won a Super Bowl, and

1033
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 4: so I'm happy for myself. I mean, we're about to

1034
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 4: win this game. But at the same time, you know,

1035
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: there is a chance that the nose guard nose tackle

1036
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 4: slaps the ball and it's flopping around back there, right,

1037
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 4: that's the purpose of the guy having been in the

1038
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 4: backfield in the victory for.

1039
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: Me to get the tax.

1040
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 4: So I'm back there and I'm like, there's no way

1041
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 4: we're going to go out with some crazy kind of

1042
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 4: trick play where they slap the ball and score somehow.

1043
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 4: So I'm looking down at the ball, I'm looking up

1044
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 4: at the clock. I'm looking down at the ball. I'm

1045
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 4: looking up at the clock, and the pixelation on the

1046
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 4: on the scoreboard is in slow motion just three two,

1047
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 4: and it's like it's taken forever. That's that's how frozen

1048
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 4: in time I was in that moment. I'm like, this

1049
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 4: clock is taken forever to tick down, and it's just

1050
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 4: frozen in time for me looking up, looking down, and

1051
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 4: then the one is like just slowly picks late into zero.

1052
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 4: And then John takes the knee and turns around and

1053
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 4: he is laughing, crying, every emotion a human can feel.

1054
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 4: He is feeling in that moment, and I am right there,

1055
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 4: right behind him, first one that gets to celebrate with

1056
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 4: him after such a long journey for him to get there,

1057
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: and for our whole team, and also for everybody that

1058
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 4: rooted for the Denver Broncos first Super Bowl in the

1059
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 4: history of the franchise. So I mean, I'm not kidding

1060
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 4: when I say I think about the play probably every day. Yeah,

1061
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: and by far my favorite play of my career.

1062
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: Do you know what your third play was?

1063
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 4: Finally, No, I do remember super Bowl thirty three, So

1064
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 4: there was a lot that went into that too. There's

1065
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 4: a lot of history, you know, side stories. You know,

1066
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: for instance, the head coach was John always head coach before,

1067
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 4: so we're playing he was also my coach who cut me.

1068
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 4: So we're playing against him. So there was a lot

1069
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 4: going into that game for me personally, but also for

1070
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: John coach Shanahan. It was a big time rival and

1071
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 4: we wanted to win so badly in so many different ways.

1072
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 4: And I also like Rod was a really good friend

1073
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 4: and a great teammate. And Rod, believe it or not,

1074
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 4: despite being a Ring of Famer and hopefully Hall of Famer,

1075
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 4: one day, he didn't catch a pass in Super Bowl

1076
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 4: thirty two and he was the ultimate team player. But like,

1077
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 4: for as great of a player as he was, to

1078
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 4: not catch a pass, you know, he sold out. In

1079
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 4: the run game, we blocked Terrell Davis's MVP. We're just

1080
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: running the ball all day, so we didn't throw the

1081
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 4: ball a lot. It was one of those games. Even

1082
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 4: John's best play was a run where he did the helicopter,

1083
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: and so you know, this was a big game for

1084
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 4: Rod too. Is a little bit of a redemption. Hey

1085
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 4: we got back here. Now I'm going to make some play.

1086
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,959
Speaker 4: And when I saw him take off on that post

1087
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 4: route and catch it and start runout, was right behind

1088
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 4: him watching him run at the end zone, I'm like,

1089
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 4: it is over. This is it? Man? Like that? And

1090
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 4: it wasn't technically over, but in my mind, there's nothing

1091
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 4: that's going to stop.

1092
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's so cool because I didn't know

1093
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 5: that he didn't catch a pass in Super Bowl thirty two,

1094
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 5: and so for him to open up and get that

1095
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 5: big deep post round thirty three, that's why the motion

1096
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 5: is behind it. You like, No, that's like my favorite

1097
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 5: because of how great and ships you were that you

1098
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 5: talked about these relationships that you had with Rod Smith

1099
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 5: multiple times already, and then to see him on the

1100
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 5: biggest age get that big play that early in the

1101
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 5: game set up that's why you feel like specifically.

1102
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 4: It meant a lot to me. Yes, to see him

1103
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 4: experience that, and because we remember we're two guys that

1104
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 4: climbed up through the ranks. He came up the practice squad,

1105
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 4: I signed with a new team. We were only getting

1106
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 4: in on run plays. We eventually competed and became starters.

1107
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 4: And then you know, I remembered the year before he

1108
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 4: didn't have a catch, and to watch him have such

1109
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 4: a big play in such a big moment was I

1110
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 4: was so happy for him and that one of the

1111
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: greatest things I think you can experience in sports is

1112
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: having teammates who you root for, because like there's some

1113
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 4: teams you might play forward, it's very competitive. Maybe you

1114
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 4: don't love the room that you're in. Guys are competing

1115
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 4: for a job. Maybe you know it's it's not a

1116
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 4: friendly situation. But in this situation, I wanted as much

1117
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: for him as I ever wanted for myself because I

1118
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 4: came up through the ranks with him. I know how

1119
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 4: hard he worked to get to where he was, and

1120
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 4: he was completely self He would do anything for the team.

1121
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 4: He was running down on kickoffs, breaking up wedges when

1122
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 4: he first got to the Broncos, and like he would

1123
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 4: do anything he could possibly do to help the team.

1124
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 4: And he was such an unselfish player that I rooted

1125
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 4: for him. Like when he scored, I scored, and so

1126
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 4: that was just such a great moment. But it was also,

1127
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: you know, a momentous moment, like when you have momentum

1128
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: in a game, you feel it shift, it's palpable, and

1129
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 4: that was one of the plays in that game where oh,

1130
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 4: I feel it now, like there's nothing that's going to

1131
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 4: stop us. Yeah.

1132
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I want to start to get into your

1133
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 5: some of your post career stuff, and so.

1134
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 3: After you retire.

1135
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 5: We all go through these moments, you know, we all

1136
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 5: you have to try, and you know, we do a

1137
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 5: lot more studies on it now than when you retired.

1138
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 5: I don't think we talked about the NFL post retirement

1139
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 5: as much as we do now, and that's.

1140
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 3: Why we're all here today.

1141
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 5: So I want you to talk about what you did

1142
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 5: when you stopped playing. I know you did some youth

1143
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 5: sports coaching, so you did some high school coaching. You

1144
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 5: also were at the University of Northern Colorado. I checked

1145
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 5: out your ed muccaffrey website. Okay, oh yeah, so I

1146
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 5: saw the what's what do you call the sports Eddie?

1147
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 3: Is that you can't that you guys do?

1148
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been doing. Man, we've had I've had so

1149
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: much fun. And luckily I had a successful enough career

1150
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 4: and provided for my family so that I could do

1151
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 4: whatever I wanted to do when I retired. I tried

1152
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 4: to be smart with my money. As you know, it's

1153
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 4: tough when you first retire. You got to make sure

1154
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 4: you don't ruin the rest of your life the first

1155
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 4: couple of years after retirement. But I did a lot

1156
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 4: of different things at first, you know, I stepped away

1157
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 4: from football, worked for a real estate company. We had

1158
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 4: private residence clubs all over the world. Got to travel

1159
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 4: and see really cool resorts. And then, you know, I

1160
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 4: started coaching my son Max with his little league team,

1161
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 4: mainly because the coach was a really good friend who

1162
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 4: lived in my neighborhood. But they also needed a little

1163
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 4: bit of help. They need coaching, right, I mean, they

1164
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 4: were doing bull in the ring for like an hour.

1165
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, you're going to kill some kids out here.

1166
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 4: You need like Oklahoma drill school. So they're outlawed now.

1167
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 4: But yeah, but they were teaching tough. I'll give them that.

1168
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 4: But you know, I wanted to be around my family.

1169
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 4: My wife had made sacrifices where we good four boys.

1170
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 4: She made a lot of sacrifices when I was playing.

1171
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 4: You know how you're traveling on the road hole fall,

1172
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 4: and I'm like this, I want to experience some time

1173
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 4: with my kids. Want to coach them, hang out, be

1174
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 4: a part of their lives. And so I chose to

1175
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 4: do that and did different types of jobs for a while,

1176
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 4: their experiment with other things, trying to figure out what

1177
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 4: I wanted to do. I loved coaching and loved being

1178
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 4: around my family, you know, experimented with the real estate

1179
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 4: company for a little while, and then you know, I realized,

1180
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 4: maybe after three four years, that you know, I still

1181
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 4: love football, you know, and so I got into broadcasting.

1182
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: I called the Broncos games for five years. That got

1183
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 4: me the Thring, which is kind of cool. This is

1184
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 4: a media ring, but the silly ring. I did that.

1185
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 4: But I always love football. So I ran football camps.

1186
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 4: I've been doing it since the nineties. And we run

1187
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 4: camps for elite players. We run camps for boys and

1188
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 4: girls that have never played before. For ten years, I

1189
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 4: did a dare to Play football camp for young adults

1190
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 4: with Down syndrome. And it's just a way to bring

1191
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 4: people together through the sport of football, yes and uh,

1192
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 4: and let them have that experience. I didn't go to

1193
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 4: a lot of football camps when I was a kid,

1194
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 4: and I wish I did, and so I try to

1195
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 4: teach them the things that I wish I could have

1196
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 4: learned when I was young. So in addition to teaching them,

1197
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 4: you know, linear speed mechanics and change your direction and

1198
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 4: sports performance, we obviously teach them football. We're a non

1199
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 4: padded camp, so nobody's going to get hurt or get hit,

1200
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 4: and we bring in former players to talk to them

1201
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 4: about life, and uh, that's probably the most fun they

1202
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 4: have when the former players come in and talk to

1203
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 4: them and they get to ask them questions. But you know,

1204
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 4: it's just it's football, family and fun is what it's

1205
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 4: all about. And then you know, I coached at high school,

1206
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 4: had a lot of fun coaching in high school. The

1207
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 4: high school coach stepped away and uh took a job

1208
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 4: somewhere else. So I stepped in for a couple of

1209
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 4: years and had so much fun coaching high school football.

1210
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 4: And we did we did well, you know, we want

1211
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: to We went undefeated when a state championship had a

1212
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 4: lot of funds. Thank you the ring.

1213
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: Just all I do was lay and win, win, no

1214
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: matter what.

1215
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 4: That was a really good experience. And some of the

1216
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 4: players that I coach are in the NFL now, which

1217
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 4: is even more name one, Roger Rosengarten start and right

1218
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 4: tackle for the Baltimore Ravens. Let's go right. My son

1219
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 4: Luke plays for the Washington Anders. There's a couple others

1220
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 4: that are still in college that might get a shot.

1221
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 4: Drake Nugent made the practice squad coach him in Little League.

1222
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 4: He's on the forty nine ers practice squad, played center

1223
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 4: win a national championship in Michigan. So for me as

1224
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 4: a coach, the most rewarding thing you can experience is

1225
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 4: that being able to create a bond with another human

1226
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 4: a player that you coach, that goes on that has

1227
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 4: success and they earned everything on their own, but just

1228
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 4: being able to witness them grow and mature and develop

1229
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 4: and have success of their own, it creates those bonds.

1230
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 4: So there's like people that coached me and we still

1231
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 4: have those connections, and there's people that I coach. So

1232
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 4: the time frame is like thirty forty years of young

1233
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 4: people that play football that are now my kids age

1234
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 4: that are in the NFL, and coaches that coach me

1235
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 4: that had retired twenty years ago, and it's just such

1236
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 4: an incredible family, you know how it is. It's like

1237
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 4: a family. You guys have so many people you know

1238
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 4: that you would run into today. You might not have

1239
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 4: seen them in ten years, but you have that shared experience.

1240
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 4: That's what it's like being a coach. That's the most

1241
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 4: rewarding part of being a coach. But I did that

1242
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 4: for a couple of years, then did at the collegiate

1243
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 4: level for a couple of years. Elijah Dotson's a guy

1244
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 4: got to coach who is in Atlanta now, is a

1245
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 4: running back and he was with the Chargers for a while.

1246
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 4: Just a great human being and such a hard worker

1247
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 4: and has literally worked his way. He's physically gifted, but

1248
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 4: worked his way into being an NFL player. And you know,

1249
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 4: it just feels so good to have had some kind

1250
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 4: of small part in their development. But then, you know,

1251
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 4: as of a couple of years ago, I retired, and

1252
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 4: I love going. I still love going to watch my

1253
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 4: kids play. You know how it is like you have

1254
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 4: when you get all emotional watching your daughter. Man, I

1255
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 4: get that way too. I have no control over what's

1256
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 4: going to happen. I can't have any effect on the game.

1257
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 4: I'm not coaching them. I don't even know. You know,

1258
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 4: I watched their film, but I don't know what they're

1259
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 4: installed in terms of their plays. But there's still my kids,

1260
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 4: So I'm still watching them like they're playing Little League,

1261
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 4: and I like going to their games, so because I

1262
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 4: like coaching too. But I watch all the film. I

1263
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 4: watch all the Commanders film, I watch all the forty

1264
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 4: nine ers film. My oldest son, Max, coaches at Miami.

1265
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 4: I watch their film and I get to talk to

1266
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 4: them about football, which is cool. So I get my

1267
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 4: football fixed that way. And I do a show on

1268
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 4: series x MNFL Radio, so I get to follow all

1269
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 4: the NFL games and watch them. So that's my football fix.

1270
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,479
Speaker 4: But professionally, you know, I had a brand of food

1271
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 4: products that I launched in the nineties, Okay, Spicy brown mustard,

1272
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 4: Horse Radish SoC the McCaffrey's Rocky Mountain mustard, and it's

1273
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 4: been it's been selling since the nineties. But I have

1274
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 4: a really good business partner who basically ran the company.

1275
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 4: So we came up with our food products and over

1276
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 4: the years we had a cereal, we had mac and cheese.

1277
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 4: But when you're a player, you know you're you're leveraging

1278
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 4: off your popularity and your success at the time. But

1279
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 4: the reason the mustard has sold for over twenty five

1280
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 4: years is this a really good quality product. Our manufacturers

1281
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 4: we're in business making mustard for over one hundred years,

1282
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 4: and their generational family, and they make a really good product.

1283
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 4: So people buy it. Now they know me either as

1284
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 4: Christian or Luke's dad. At this point or the mustard guy.

1285
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 4: But recently, you know, I really wanted to learn more

1286
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 4: about the business. So I'm learning about how we manufacture

1287
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: our products. I'm learning about shipping and margining and the

1288
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 4: retailers that we deal with, and warehousing and just everything

1289
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 4: about the business. And so once I kind of took

1290
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 4: over the mustard business for about a year when my

1291
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Speaker 4: business partner had a step aside, he ended up, as

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00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 4: fate would have it, healing up. He had a health issue,

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00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 4: healing up and came back, and I hired him back

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00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 4: to help me run our mustard company. And we got

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00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 4: along so well, and I was putting so much more

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00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 4: time into it learning this new business that we decided

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00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 4: to launch another product, and we just this week launched

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Speaker 4: McCaffrey Protein Bites. So you can find it on McCaffrey

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Speaker 4: brands dot com and it's man, I hope you try some.

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00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 4: I think you'll like them. But it's a super healthy,

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00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 4: not a gluten free on GMO snack that you can eat.

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00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 4: So you guys, know when you were you guys are

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00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 4: still in pretty good shape. By the way. I'm definitely

1304
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 4: so number one has to taste good. That's the one

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00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 4: thing You guys have probably tried every bar and supplement

1306
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 4: out there, and so many of them taste like cardboard

1307
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 4: or the heel of your shoe, and you're like, I

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00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 4: know it's healthy, but I can't eat this, I can't

1309
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 4: do it right, and you can't carry around like I

1310
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 4: talked to some NFL players. They have chefs, right, I

1311
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 4: didn't have a chef when I played me either, but

1312
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 4: they had like topperware full of chicken cubes and the

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00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 4: chef makes them all this food. If you can do that, great,

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00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 4: do that. But most of us, it's like, we're not

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00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 4: going to have a chef make us food to carry

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00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 4: with us throughout the day. So how can you come

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Speaker 4: up with a healthy snack that's good for everybody? For

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00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 4: your daughter, for you, for your kids. Right, they can

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Speaker 4: eat it. It's super healthy for you, and it has

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Speaker 4: protein in it, and a lot of even kids don't

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Speaker 4: get enough protein. Your protein levels are based off your

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Speaker 4: activity level and your weight for the most part. But

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00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 4: they're delicious. They had to taste good. So chocolate chip, cookie, dough, fudge, brownie,

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00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 4: birthday cake, birthday it tastes like a treat, But are

1325
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 4: they they're good for you? So I mean I started

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00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 4: at mustard. I started using spicy brown mustard because I

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00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 4: used to eat super healthy like turkey sandwiches every day,

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00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 4: non fat turkey burgers, chicken, and after a while you're

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00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 4: eating the same thing all the time and it's getting bland.

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00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 4: I'm like, I got to do something to add some

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00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 4: flavor to this healthy food. So the mustard was all

1332
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 4: about making good food taste better and making healthy food

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00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 4: taste better. And the protein bites are about creating a

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00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 4: healthy snack for everybody. So these are for kids that

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00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 4: play Little League, They're for moms in the car driving carpool.

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00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 4: They're for you know, athletes, pro athletes who want something

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00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 4: like twenty minutes before a game. It's like, look, pregame

1338
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 4: meal was too long ago. I'm a little bit hungry.

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00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 4: I need a little bit of fuel easily digestible. You

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00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 4: can have them as a halftime snack right after a

1341
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 4: game to get some protein intakes so you recover better.

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00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 4: So they're really for everybody. It took it took like

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00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 4: over a year to come up with something that tasted

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00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 4: good because the more protein you add, the more it

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00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 4: affects the taste, and you don't want to put cane

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00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 4: sugar in there, or unhealthy ingredients or preservatives. So to

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00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 4: come up with a super healthy snack that tastes great

1348
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 4: that everybody enjoys was not easy. There was a lot

1349
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 4: of people involved with being able to put this product

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00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 4: out to market. But I'm really proud of it. I'm

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00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 4: really excited about it, and thank you for mentioning I'm excited.

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00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 4: Cano Yes, they're yours. Ok, Okay, they are yours and

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00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 4: anybody right now. They're online at McCaffrey Browns dot com.

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00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 4: But we're going to be in Dick's Sporting Goods, and

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Speaker 4: we're going to be in Shields, and we're going to

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Speaker 4: be in Kroger Shorgers, which is King Supers in Colorado

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Speaker 4: with Shields. Yeah. It's a really big outfit in the

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00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 4: Midwest mostly. Yeah. But they have food, they have athletic equipment. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and they're probably I want to say there's twenty seven

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Speaker 4: of them. Yeah, but they're really giant superstores located mostly

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Speaker 4: in the Midwest.

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Speaker 6: We're going to take a short break and we'll be

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Speaker 6: right back.

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Speaker 2: Life looks like it has been treating you well. You

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00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: look like you have so much joy as this question

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Speaker 2: to a lot of our guests that hold, hold I want.

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Speaker 4: I got it.

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00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: I gotta get this question before you.

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00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: Why is it that I asked questions that you always

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00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: I never interrupt you.

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00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 4: I never.

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Speaker 1: I just let you go.

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00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 4: You do not know to read this.

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Speaker 3: And I don't want to go.

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00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 4: You guys been doing the show together. Man like he twenty.

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00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: Years all the time, step so my I never step

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00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: on his shoes, never step on it.

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Speaker 3: He's not lying, he's noting. He teks my questions.

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00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: I let it ride.

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00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: I flow with it, trying to be the good teammate,

1381
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: trying to be selfless, just trying to just hey, I

1382
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: want it for him.

1383
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: I want him to shine.

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00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 4: Let him get his reps, and.

1385
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 2: Then I will come up with this dope ask question

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00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 2: the way I phrase it, I'm thinking about it.

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00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: I just like I.

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00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: Got my inner Oprah Winfrey in me, and I'm just

1389
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: like I can say this thing.

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00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, we're not doing I'm like, it's

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00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: going to a question, man, ask your question. I quit

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00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 1: because I quit.

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Speaker 5: I think this is one of it's going to be

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00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 5: the second best question and you're gonna get because I

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00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 5: think the one that Peanut has in the story is

1396
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Speaker 5: going to be.

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Speaker 3: Off the charts.

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Speaker 5: But as a father, your son Christian, I've heard him

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00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 5: talk about different ways how you helped raise him from

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00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 5: let me write him down, from telling him that squinting

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00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 5: during the day was wasting energy, so he don't squint

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00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 5: in the sun, okay, wearing jeans too heavy on your legs, son,

1403
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 5: Like I need you to be more comfortable on game day, getting.

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00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 3: Ivs in the middle of the day.

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00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 5: The workouts we know about the workouts, the linear running,

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00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 5: all these other things that you were very, very in

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00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 5: tune with, bedtime seven point thirty, strict, ready to go,

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00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 5: no phone, get it, all of these things like going

1409
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 5: into as being a father and being impactful, all those things.

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00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 5: Despite all that, he says, the best thing that you

1411
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 5: ever taught him was how to handle at the mentality,

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01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 5: the mental toughness that you instilled in him as a

1413
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 5: young man. How do you do that in today's generation

1414
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 5: for like my son, how do you continue these trends

1415
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 5: and teach our young people this? Because I think for

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01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 5: me that is the real superpower that you instilled in

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Speaker 5: your children.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, the news of my parenting is greatly exaggerated.

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Speaker 4: I'll say that about Christian. First of all, I don't think.

1420
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Speaker 4: I don't think they were home from practice a seven

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Speaker 4: point thirty. But look, you know I've learned over the years.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not for everybody. I probably you know,

1423
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 4: not every kid probably would have resonated with my parenting style.

1424
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 4: I'm not afraid to admit that. You know, I got

1425
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 4: the reputation as being one of the more strict parents,

1426
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 4: but I loved my kids and I wanted them to

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01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 4: grow up as good people who respected other people, who

1428
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 4: did things the right way. And so, you know, some

1429
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 4: of the I don't remember the squinting thing. I know

1430
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 4: he mentioned that, And if I knew that he was

1431
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 4: going to repeat everything I said, I might have been

1432
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 4: more careful with what I told him.

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Speaker 3: But it worked.

1434
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, he was. He's a he's a

1435
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 4: great come lucky I mean he was. He's a great kid.

1436
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 4: He's a student of life, not just of the game.

1437
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 4: And he is a super hard worker who always wants

1438
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 4: to be the best. He's very conscientious of other people.

1439
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 4: He really cares what other people think, and he's such

1440
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 4: a loyal friend and teammate. So he was he made

1441
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 4: it pretty easy to raise him, honestly, but I did

1442
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,959
Speaker 4: want the best for him. So whatever knowledge I had

1443
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 4: I tried to share with him, was I write all

1444
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 4: the time? Probably not. As parents, we try our best. Man,

1445
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 4: I'm sure we're going to mess up, right, and I'm

1446
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 4: no different. And kids will be quick to point it

1447
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 4: out if you messed up too. They will. They'll grow

1448
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 4: up old enough to remember and then remind you about

1449
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 4: what you said and did. But you know, I want

1450
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 4: him to be his best. The the IV thing. I

1451
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 4: do have an interesting story about the IV thing. So

1452
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 4: there was one game, like in high school, he didn't

1453
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 4: come off the field. So it's offense, defense, and special teams,

1454
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 4: so you know you're playing the whole game. And there

1455
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 4: was a couple of night games where you know how

1456
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 4: you remember high school. You go to school, you're in

1457
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 4: school all day, stand on your feet, go into class,

1458
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 4: you never go then you probably don't eat right and

1459
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 4: you're probably dehydrated. It's hot in the beginning of the

1460
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 4: summer when you play your first game, and then you

1461
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 4: go out and play a game on Friday night. And

1462
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 4: so I remember him cramping up one game and he

1463
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 4: had to come out of the game for cramping up.

1464
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 4: And it's not surprising. He probably didn't really have a

1465
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 4: real dinner or drink enough flewis during the day. So

1466
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, only on night games, we should probably get,

1467
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 4: you know, give you an IV. And he took an

1468
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 4: IV before one of his night games and played out

1469
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 4: of this world, and so you know how that is

1470
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 4: too psychologically. You're like, okay, I got the IV and

1471
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 4: had one of the best games of my career. And

1472
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 4: so in the beginning it was only for night games.

1473
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 4: But then after a while, you know, he's like, hey,

1474
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 4: maybe I should get an IV for this big game

1475
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 4: that's on a Saturday afternoon. And even though I wasn't

1476
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 4: sure he needed it, I'm not going to step in

1477
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 4: the way of somebody thinking that it's going to help him. You're, yeah,

1478
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 4: so he would get the IV, but you know, the

1479
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 4: placebo effect is a real deal too. I do think

1480
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 4: ivs help you, especially in hot weather. But if you

1481
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 4: think they help you, they definitely help. So there was

1482
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 4: this one game at the end of the year, there

1483
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 4: was a state championship game, and I didn't you probably

1484
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 4: didn't need an IV for that game because it was

1485
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 4: on a Saturday and it was not that hot out.

1486
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 4: It was cold at the end of the year in Colorado,

1487
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 4: but he wanted to get it and I'm not about

1488
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,959
Speaker 4: to not get him the IV before a state championship game.

1489
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 4: But normally we go to a doctor's office to get

1490
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 4: the IV in a controlled setting, but the doctor was

1491
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 4: out of town, so like, we got to get an

1492
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 4: IV somewhere. Nowadays, there's ivs, like in a mall. You

1493
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 4: can get ivs anywhere. They'll come to your house. But

1494
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 4: back then, you know, you still had to look for

1495
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 4: place to get an IV. So we just go to

1496
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 4: like a nurse practitioner's office in a strip mall to

1497
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 4: get an IV and it's just sailing solution. It's nothing special,

1498
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 4: and they go to give it to him and I'm

1499
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 4: like on my phone, not paying attention. It's pretty routine.

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01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 4: Just get the IV in. Let's get out of here.

1501
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 4: And he's like, hey, Dad. I look over and his

1502
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 4: arm is swelling up like a bubble because they they

1503
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 4: didn't hit the veane when they put the IV in,

1504
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 4: and it was just fluid going under his skin. So

1505
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my gosh. So I call the nurse

1506
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 4: practitioner and she runs and takes out. It's like, don't

1507
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 4: worry about I'm panicking because I'm like, they have a

1508
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 4: state championship in a few hours. And she starts pushing,

1509
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 4: pushing down on it to get the fluid out of there,

1510
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 4: and uh, and so I'm thinking it'll be all right,

1511
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 4: don't worry about it. And meantime, I'm panicking a little bit.

1512
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 4: I'm like, I've never seen that happen before, but he's

1513
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 4: gonna be okay. She says, it's fine, it's just fluid.

1514
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 4: It'll it'll dissolve or evaporate. And so then she goes

1515
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 4: to do it again, and this time she hits the

1516
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 4: vein and I kid you not, blood squirted up to

1517
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 4: the ceiling. I don't know what happened, but she hit

1518
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 4: it in a way. And now I'm really starting to panic,

1519
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 4: and so eventually I'm like, you know what, we're good.

1520
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 4: It's good, you know, uh, you know, we're good. We're

1521
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 4: just gonna leave, no big deal, thanks for trying. And

1522
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 4: we leave, and you know, he's flush because he's like,

1523
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 4: what just happened? Blood squirted up to the ceiling. Put

1524
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 4: a band aid on there, start walking out to the car,

1525
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 4: and I'm like, you know, what man, it's it's it's

1526
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 4: you know, Gatorade's fine. Just drink drink some Power Aid

1527
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 4: or some gatorade and you'll be fine. And and he's

1528
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 4: like that he looks at me. Then what have I

1529
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 4: been getting these high feats all the time? But I

1530
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 4: didn't know what else to say. Anyway, you had a

1531
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 4: great game, long story short, but I was panicking. I

1532
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,479
Speaker 4: started thinking, I really have a big time parent fail

1533
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 4: going on right now if this affects him in this game.

1534
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 4: But he played fine anyway.

1535
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,919
Speaker 2: You try to keep him calm. He's like, oh my god, Yeah,

1536
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 2: I probably would have did the same thing.

1537
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you're a parent, you got to keep calm

1538
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 5: even though absolutely freaking out on the Absolutely they can't.

1539
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 3: They can't let the kids see a sweat.

1540
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. And also, like you get into a routine, and

1541
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 4: there are things that are beneficial. Like my wife Lisa

1542
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 4: used to always mix up some form of like power

1543
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 4: Aid and coconut water and like mix it up and

1544
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 4: she'd make this healthy drink form and she'd run it

1545
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 4: down to him on the sideline and they'd drink it

1546
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 4: and they'd feel good. So, I mean, the hydration is

1547
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 4: a real thing. You gotta stay hydrated, especially when it's hot.

1548
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 4: But there's also something to your routine. I don't know,

1549
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 4: did you guys probably had a routine, right, There's certain

1550
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 4: things she did before every game, and so I think

1551
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 4: those things matter, like if for no other reason than

1552
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 4: to have you mentally clear and feeling confident that this

1553
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 4: is my routine. Right, what was your routine?

1554
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't eat before games.

1555
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: I would eat a really big meal before, like crazy

1556
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 2: pasta the night before. Then I'd wake up super early.

1557
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: I would listen to my audiobook of Earl Nightingale and

1558
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 2: it talked about like mental toughness, and then I would

1559
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 2: sit there and visualize myself punching out footballs or whatever,

1560
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: and then I would I would walk over to the stadium.

1561
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 2: I'd get over there super early, and then I would

1562
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 2: get this, you know, get taped by the same person,

1563
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,439
Speaker 2: and I'd wait for Lance Briggs to come and we'd

1564
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 2: go do our routine, and then someone would help me

1565
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 2: put my pads on, and I would go in my

1566
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 2: little corner and just meditate and pray and on the field,

1567
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 2: and I just, yeah, that was kind of like my

1568
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 2: my thing.

1569
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 4: I know, you had a routine too.

1570
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 3: I did.

1571
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 5: I definitely ate before the game. But I learned early

1572
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 5: in my career that cramping is unprofessional because you truly

1573
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 5: can prevent it, yeah, if you just drink and do

1574
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 5: the right things. So I was always extremely hydrated. My

1575
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 5: to my routine was listening to the same same music,

1576
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 5: which was can we talk about Tevin Campbell?

1577
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: Great song?

1578
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 5: Great song, great, it doesn't get a lot of people

1579
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 5: fired up, but written my baby, it is my jam.

1580
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 3: That was my jam. That yeah, that was my jam.

1581
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 4: And then.

1582
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 3: One one toward all. One must relax a couple of

1583
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 3: sparks to get.

1584
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: You Yeah, yeah, I forgot to the old school, you know,

1585
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: old school turn off.

1586
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 5: One must relaxed within a couple of sparks. That makes

1587
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 5: your offset the downs with the ups.

1588
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 4: Did you did you eat the same way when you

1589
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 4: were like a rookie as you did later in your career.

1590
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 4: No more nervous when you're younger, right.

1591
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, way more nervous. But by the time I

1592
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 3: was older, I had it all Like I'm good. I

1593
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 3: knew it. I had a system. I had a system.

1594
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 3: I trusted it.

1595
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 5: But it's like you said, the more and more you

1596
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 5: do these things you actually start getting more maniacal about it.

1597
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 5: You know, you lay your jersey out the same way

1598
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 5: you do these starts to get a little bit repetitive.

1599
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 5: We're nowhere near as bad as baseball players.

1600
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: But but it helps with your mental though.

1601
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it does.

1602
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: Helps you settle down and get to a place of

1603
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: calmness and ready to go to battle.

1604
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's less decisions you have to make. Yes, right,

1605
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 4: It's like I already know what I'm doing game to day.

1606
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 4: I don't even have to think about it. No new decisions.

1607
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 4: I'm gonna eat the same thing, dress the same way,

1608
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 4: go through the same routine, and that's just less things

1609
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 4: to think about, so you can focus on the game.

1610
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 4: But eating is a big issue. I remember we used

1611
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 4: to have so many offensive linemen that would be puken

1612
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 4: before the game, Like a lot of the young guys, especially,

1613
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 4: they get so nervous and they eat a lot, you know,

1614
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 4: the guys that have to try to maintain their weight,

1615
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 4: and they would always get sick before games. And then

1616
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 4: it's funny because some of the same guys four or

1617
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 4: five years later weren't getting sick anymore. But in the

1618
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 4: beginning they get really nervous, and it's difficult to eat

1619
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 4: the right amount and the right foods and not have

1620
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 4: it upset your stomach. It's honestly one of the main

1621
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 4: reasons I came up with these protein bites, because like

1622
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 4: when you're playing sports, it's hard to eat steak and

1623
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 4: eggs too soon before a football game and go out

1624
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 4: and play and have it not sit in your stomach.

1625
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 4: At the same time, you need fuel. Yes, you know

1626
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 4: it's hard. You get hypoglycemic, you run out of energy,

1627
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 4: and you want to perform at your best. So how

1628
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 4: do you eat something that's easily digestible and not a

1629
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 4: bonk or run out of energy and still perform at

1630
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 4: a high level. But I used to lean towards what

1631
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 4: you did. I couldn't eat too much before a game,

1632
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 4: but I remember, like about halftime, I'm like, man, I

1633
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 4: got a I got to eat something, but I wanted

1634
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 4: to feel light, going back to wanting to feel light,

1635
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 4: but at the same time, I didn't want to run

1636
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 4: out of energy. So it was a real challenge. So

1637
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 4: you know, I learned over time to start eating a

1638
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 4: bite or two of a bar or something that I

1639
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 4: could digest without feeling sick. I saw Jerry Rice one

1640
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 4: time eat a hot dog at halftime, Like, how's he

1641
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 4: eating a hot dog at halftime and then going out

1642
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 4: and catching I think he set a record that he

1643
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 4: caught a touchdown against the Raiders. It was some kind

1644
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 4: of record, he said a lot of them, and I'm like,

1645
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 4: he just ate a hot dog at halftime, then went

1646
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 4: out and caught a touchdown and set some kind of record.

1647
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 4: How does he do it? But then that's another thing

1648
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 4: I learned from him. I'm like, look, I'm not gonna

1649
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 4: eat a hot dog. I'll puke, but I'm gonna I

1650
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 4: got to eat something at halftime because it's it's a

1651
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 4: long three and a half hour game. That's a long time.

1652
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 4: Your pregame meal a couple hours before the game. You're

1653
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 4: going five, six, seven hours with no food, and you

1654
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 4: can do it, but it's just it's just hard. So

1655
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 4: I found it it's better if you can. And some

1656
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 4: people do lick. You might have drinken a liquid. Yeah,

1657
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 4: gave you some calories which is easier to digest, right,

1658
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 4: and so uh, but I think for athletes, staying properly fueled,

1659
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 4: properly hydrated is so incredibly important and those are things

1660
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 4: you can control.

1661
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so my last question, don't step on my toes. Uh,

1662
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:34,560
Speaker 1: here we go, mister Harper. You've had tremendous success.

1663
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 2: On the field, off the field, family product, Mustard, the bites,

1664
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:45,879
Speaker 2: the protein bites. Who is on your personal Mount Rushmore?

1665
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: And you get to pick four?

1666
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I got to pick a Mount Rushmore.

1667
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,959
Speaker 1: You got to pick a personal mount mount Rushmore.

1668
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 4: Oh man, my personal Mount Rushmore are my four kids, Man, Max, Christian,

1669
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 4: Dylan and Luke. That's my Mount Rushmore. Those are the

1670
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 4: people that I love and the matter to me. But

1671
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I played with so many Hall of Famers

1672
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:04,839
Speaker 4: and good players.

1673
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 3: It's tough. It's tough.

1674
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, just only pick four? Yeah, it's tough because then

1675
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 4: I'll make enemies of some of my really good friends

1676
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 4: if they don't make it. Oh. You know one that

1677
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 4: you'll never argue with is John Elway. He belongs on there, right,

1678
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 4: And then I've played with so many other Hall of

1679
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 4: Famers just on the Broncos alone. But I'll say one

1680
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 4: that no one will argue with, John Elway is a

1681
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 4: Mount Rushmore. He's the greatest ever Bronco'd ever play the game,

1682
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 4: greatest quarterback I had so much fun with him. He's

1683
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 4: a great person and was obviously a legendary football player.

1684
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 4: Yeah that's all we got.

1685
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, appreciate you man, no doubt on the podcast.

1686
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: Thank you for having again, it's a great deal. Yeah,

1687
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: from just talking and asking these questions, and yeah, you

1688
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: blessed us. I appreciate that.

1689
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 4: We Yeah, I appreciate it. Well, you guys had phenomenal careers.

1690
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 4: I watched you guys play a lot of football games, Man,

1691
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 4: and you guys played it the right way. So it's

1692
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 4: a real honor for me to be sitting down here.

1693
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 4: And I still have that teach tape.

1694
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 3: I'm sure.

1695
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 4: I'm sure many people have set you that teach tape.

1696
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 5: Like I said before, he travels, so if you ever

1697
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 5: need him to come on out, we can put him

1698
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 5: on a plane for you too.

1699
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 3: That's easily done.

1700
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 5: And Ed Man, thanks so much. Man, always been such

1701
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 5: a big fan of yours. Everything you've been able to

1702
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 5: do as a career on and off the field, in

1703
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 5: what you continue to bless the world with. Man, thank

1704
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 5: you so much for coming and spending your time in

1705
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 5: your day with us. We really really appreciate it.

1706
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 3: So thank you.

1707
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 4: It's an honor.

1708
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 3: Thank you, no doubt, man, no doubt.

1709
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 5: All right, Well, first of all, me and Peanut want

1710
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 5: to thank all of our listeners and everybody that views

1711
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 5: us wherever you're picking up your podcast, where the Apple podcasts,

1712
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 5: our Heart Radio app continue to give us shout outs,

1713
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 5: give us five star rating, give us review, leave a comment,

1714
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 5: make sure you subscribe.

1715
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: Like, share a follow.

1716
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 4: That's it.

1717
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 5: Tell a friend, yeah, and tell a friend to tell

1718
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 5: a friend to tell a friend. Appreciate that it and

1719
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 5: thank you guys for always having us.

1720
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 3: Peanut, get us out of here. Dollar don't forget.

1721
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: You can watch us on our NFL YouTube page.

1722
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 3: It's the new money.

1723
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 4: I got you.

1724
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 3: That's see, I got you.

1725
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: That's why I'm here. Yeah, I'll be robbing this time.

1726
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 3: Thank you man, appreciate it.

1727
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: Look, we appreciate you'all tuning in. I'm Peanut Tillman.

1728
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 2: That's from a Harper, White, Lightning and McCaffrey. We appreciate,

1729
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 2: we appreciate y'all tuning in.

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Speaker 3: Thanks HM