Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Happy Saturday.
Speaker 2: It's Chuck here, and I am picking out our select
Speaker 2: for this week, and I'm going with a more recent one,
Speaker 2: maybe controversial to do so, but it's our episode on
Speaker 2: Operation Min's Meat. And I am picking that one because
Speaker 2: I don't think we're able to record this for that episode.
Speaker 2: But the Broadway show Operation Min's Meat was literally inspired
Speaker 2: by this episode. The one of the stars and the
Speaker 2: producers was all over Variety magazine and all over the
Speaker 2: place in interview saying that her brother they were searching
Speaker 2: for a show to do, to write and make into
Speaker 2: a Broadway show, and he said, Hey, you should check
Speaker 2: out this episode of stuff. You should know Operation Min's Meat.
Speaker 2: This is this really crazy story and I think there's
Speaker 2: something there. And there was something there because not only
Speaker 2: did they make it to a Broadway show, it's been
Speaker 2: a pretty big hit and was nominated for Tony Awards
Speaker 2: and I am going to get to go see it
Speaker 2: in New York City next weekend, and I'm super excited
Speaker 2: because I think I get to meet the cast. So anyway,
Speaker 2: here we go, everyone, another little feather in our cap
Speaker 2: Operation mince Meat colon How a corpse Fooled the Nazis.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 3: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's
Speaker 3: Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry Rowland. This is Stuff
Speaker 3: you Should Know. Chuck. Yo, I'm thirty nine years old
Speaker 3: and I still can't say my own name correctly because
Speaker 3: of my stupid thick tongue.
Speaker 1: Oh you're gonna be forty yeah soon. Crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Used to make fun of me, and now you're old.
Speaker 3: Well, you're still older than me.
Speaker 1: I know that I can do about that.
Speaker 3: It's cool though. Yeah, you're aging very well. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: you're aging really well.
Speaker 2: But you mean the teeth falling out, the weight gain
Speaker 2: and the gray beard.
Speaker 3: I still say you're aging very well.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get your hair, take off your hat.
Speaker 1: I still got good hair.
Speaker 2: Boom, look at that the got hat head now beautiful.
Speaker 1: Okay, people think I'm bald. Some people do? Oh?
Speaker 3: Really like you're always wearing that hat, do you?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Suspicious people, yeah, like the drummer for the Chili Peppers.
Speaker 3: Anthony Keatith Flee Nope, the guy from Jane's Addiction, Nope
Speaker 3: I don't know them, not.
Speaker 2: John for SHUNTI Chad Smith, the guy that looks like
Speaker 2: Will Ferrell, He's always Will Ferrell.
Speaker 1: He's always got that hat on backwards.
Speaker 3: And he's bald. Oh yeah, totally Brett, like Brett Michael's bald.
Speaker 3: I remember he always wears a do ragh. He's super bald.
Speaker 1: So I get why people are suspicious.
Speaker 2: If you're a public figure that has a patented hat piece,
Speaker 2: then it's probably because you're bald, but not in my case.
Speaker 2: What a weird way to start the show, especially this show,
Speaker 2: Operation mince meat yep, which is a ghoulish gallows humor
Speaker 2: awesomely World War two British name for this, this operation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this will live alongside our Nazi spies and Invading Florida.
Speaker 3: Podcast and the History Girls covered this this very topic
Speaker 3: as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, there's nothing I love more than little known history.
Speaker 3: This is it. But this is great little known history.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this shouldn't be middle known because it was
Speaker 2: after the Trojan War, maybe the largest and most successful
Speaker 2: military deception plan in history.
Speaker 3: Well there was also have you seen that documentary Ghost
Speaker 3: Army about Operation Fortitude. No, they used a bunch of
Speaker 3: blow up tanks and planes, like inflatable tanks and planes
Speaker 3: to make it look like there was a whole Allied
Speaker 3: division over here. Yeah, so that we could invade Normandy moreas.
Speaker 1: It's like a Looney Tune cartoon.
Speaker 3: Awesome, but yes, this ranks up there with literally with
Speaker 3: the Trojan Horse. It's that ingenious and that wonderful.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But so let's set the stage right, Okay, So in
Speaker 3: early nineteen forty three, the war was very much undecided. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it could have been anybody's. Like Europe was under the
Speaker 3: control of Hitler, huge amounts of Europe. They called it
Speaker 3: Fortress Europe because the Nazis were just had just overrun
Speaker 3: the place, were dug in, and the Allies knew that
Speaker 3: they needed to get into Europe to topple Hitler or else,
Speaker 3: like they weren't going to win the war. Sure, so
Speaker 3: Churchill suggested attacking Europe's under belly, which is maybe Italy,
Speaker 3: Greece under Sirdinia. He called it the underbelly, not very flattering,
Speaker 3: but he called it Europe's underbelly. So everybody, the Allies,
Speaker 3: the Greeks, the Nazis, the Japanese, the people in Hawaii,
Speaker 3: everybody knew. Yeah, they weren't American quite yet. Okay, everybody
Speaker 3: knew that the Allies were going to attack somewhere in
Speaker 3: that area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come up through the Mediterranean. Even Hitler feared this
Speaker 2: the most.
Speaker 3: Right, but key, right, And I mean everybody knew the
Speaker 3: Allies were coming and they were going to come there.
Speaker 3: But this land mass, this area of land and see
Speaker 3: is large enough that you can't just be like, oh,
Speaker 3: they're coming down there, we got it covered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll cover it all.
Speaker 3: You need to know kind of specifically where they were covering.
Speaker 3: And there were just a few places where they could
Speaker 3: have come. One was Greece, that was where Hitler always suspected, yeah,
Speaker 3: one was Sardinia, right, yeah, and then another was Sicily.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And in nineteen forty three, I think January, the Allied
Speaker 3: powers met in French Morocco and held a conference, the
Speaker 3: Casablanca Conference, very sexy name, yeah, it really was, and
Speaker 3: they said, okay, we're going to invade Sicily this July.
Speaker 3: We're going to call it Operation Husky. Now we have
Speaker 3: to do everything we can to not let the Nazis
Speaker 3: know that that's where we're going. And that actually hatched
Speaker 3: eventually what's called Operation Mincemeat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, studying the stuff and I'm not
Speaker 2: a big war buff, although I'm getting more so, but
Speaker 2: reading up on this stuff, like the old wars are
Speaker 2: so much like the board game risk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that it's startling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's literally when you look at this stuff, it's
Speaker 2: like moving troops to where you think people are gonna
Speaker 2: attack you, right, and rolling the dice a bit, and
Speaker 2: if you're right, then great. If not, you're screwed.
Speaker 3: Very much though, which is why it's such a huge
Speaker 3: shift that we're seeing now moving to unconventional warfare, because.
Speaker 1: That's scary stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think pretty much all war is scary. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, of course I'm not saying like Normandy was a
Speaker 2: gay walker anything, because they knew what there was going on.
Speaker 3: Man, I watched Stavin Private Ryan again the other day. God,
Speaker 3: it's crazy. That thing's almost a snuff film. It's not
Speaker 3: as bad as We Were Soldiers, which is a snuff film,
Speaker 3: but it's.
Speaker 1: I never saw that one. The Mel Gibson w Yeah.
Speaker 3: Dude, it's it's the most graphically violent mainstream movie ever made.
Speaker 1: Really, yes, wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like there's a part where they have a shot
Speaker 3: a camera shot over this guy's shoulder, right, so his
Speaker 3: helmets in the near foreground, and that guy takes a
Speaker 3: hit to the head and like blood spray covers the
Speaker 3: camera lens for the next like a little while. Wow,
Speaker 3: his brains just cover the camera. It's disgusting.
Speaker 1: Did you like Saving Private Ryan again?
Speaker 3: Though? Yeah, it's a great movie, but it is like
Speaker 3: really like violent. That's another thing about getting older is
Speaker 3: that stuff affects you more and more. The more you
Speaker 3: come to terms with your own mortality, the more valuable
Speaker 3: life becomes. The more valuable even a character in a
Speaker 3: movie's life becomes, you know what I mean. That stuff
Speaker 3: gets to.
Speaker 2: You, agreed. It's called growing up, my friend.
Speaker 3: I'm becoming human in it grows all right.
Speaker 2: So on September twenty ninth, nineteen thirty nine, there was
Speaker 2: a director of British Naval Intelligence named Admiral John Godfrey,
Speaker 2: and he distributed something called the Trout Memo and it
Speaker 2: was written by his assistant Lieutenant Commander Ian Fleming. Familiar name, yeah,
Speaker 2: creator of James Bond.
Speaker 3: That's right, the guy.
Speaker 2: And I think most people know that he served at
Speaker 2: this point. Yeah, but if you didn't, that's a nice
Speaker 2: little factoid for you.
Speaker 3: So he wrote the Trout Memo, and they called it
Speaker 3: the Trout Memo because they pointed out in the intro
Speaker 3: that the trout fisherman fishes very patiently, but he changes
Speaker 3: venue frequently. Yeah, and he changes his bait very frequently too,
Speaker 3: And so they wanted to they're charged with deception. They
Speaker 3: wanted to come up with all these different ideas, all
Speaker 3: this different bait and venue changes that they could come
Speaker 3: up with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this was a time too.
Speaker 2: We should point out that spying, spying is always vital,
Speaker 2: but man, in World War Two, it was going on
Speaker 2: all over the place in a huge, huge part.
Speaker 1: Of the war.
Speaker 2: So we need to do one on the Enigma machine,
Speaker 2: by the way, at some point.
Speaker 3: We do, because that's one of the unsung heroes in
Speaker 3: this operation.
Speaker 1: Absolutely all right.
Speaker 2: So with the Trout Memo, Ian Fleming wrote, well, co
Speaker 2: authored fifty one different operations suggestions, and number twenty eight
Speaker 2: was one called a suggestion parentheses, not a very nice one.
Speaker 2: The following suggestion is used in a book by Basil Thompson.
Speaker 3: I'm so pleased that you said Basil instead of Basil. Yeah.
Speaker 2: In fact, that was a nineteen thirty seven dollars novel
Speaker 2: The Milliner's Hat Mystery.
Speaker 3: And he was actually a World War One spy.
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, it's all coming together.
Speaker 3: So he was a spy writer. That Ian Fleming, the
Speaker 3: creator of James Bond Doug Crazy. So that's where this originates.
Speaker 1: So here, Oh, that's right.
Speaker 2: The following suggestion is used in a book by Basil
Speaker 2: Thompson Colin A corpse dressed as an airman with dispatches
Speaker 2: in his pockets could be dropped on the coast, supposedly
Speaker 2: from a parachute that had failed. I understand there is
Speaker 2: no difficulty in obtaining corpses at the Naval hospital, but
Speaker 2: of course it would have to be a fresh one.
Speaker 2: So the idea is, let's get a dead person, let's
Speaker 2: dress him up like a soldier, give him some sensitive
Speaker 2: documents that leak this invasion fraudulent, fraudulent, yeah, very important,
Speaker 2: that leak the invasion of Greece, which is not really happening.
Speaker 2: And they're going to mount up troops there and we'll
Speaker 2: actually go in sicily, they're gonna find this body. They're
Speaker 2: gonna think they've stumbled upon this great happy accident, and
Speaker 2: we're going to fool them.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was the That was the whole idea.
Speaker 3: That was the general basis of it.
Speaker 2: And Churchill loved the idea because apparently he liked what
Speaker 2: he called corkscrewthinkers because he knew Hitler thought in a
Speaker 2: straight line. Yes, and by corkscrew thinkers, I think that
Speaker 2: would be our equivalent of.
Speaker 1: Outside the box exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Churchill was like, this is great, I love church Let's
Speaker 2: drink some scotch and do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's look like a bulldog while Yeah. So the
Speaker 3: the well, that idea was roughly outlined by Ian Fleming,
Speaker 3: and then the the Churchill's course crew thinkers, the XX
Speaker 3: committee led by you and Montague and.
Speaker 1: Chumley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is his name is not spelled Chumley?
Speaker 1: No, how's it spelled?
Speaker 3: Are you ready for this?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Charles c h O l m O n d e
Speaker 3: l e y pronounced Chumley. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And apparently when he met people he would say, uh,
Speaker 2: Lieutenant Charles Chumley c h O L m O n
Speaker 2: d e l e y.
Speaker 1: He would spell it out what he really Yeah?
Speaker 3: Are you making fun of me? Or is that for real?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, No, he was a very quirky guy.
Speaker 2: And that's how he described himself as toothpaste, as if
Speaker 2: it had been squeezed from the tube like he self
Speaker 2: described he would go hunting with a revolver, like bird hunting.
Speaker 1: He's a weird guy.
Speaker 2: I actually watched a quickie BuzzFeed video on this, huh
Speaker 2: and they pronounced it Charles Charle.
Speaker 3: Did they really?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Nice, I'm glad we did our research. Shout out to BuzzFeed.
Speaker 3: So you and Montague, right, yeah, the other guy. He
Speaker 3: is noteworthy in a number of ways too. Apparently he's
Speaker 3: just the greatest guy ever, most interesting man on the planet.
Speaker 3: And he actually wrote the book, the first book on
Speaker 3: Operation Mincemeat, because he was one of the people who
Speaker 3: came up with this and implemented it.
Speaker 2: The man who was never there, the man who never
Speaker 2: was got right.
Speaker 3: So came a movie too, Yeah, of the same name,
Speaker 3: starring Montgomery Cliff, I believe, no, starring Cliff Clay Webb.
Speaker 3: Cliff Claven Cliff Webb, but not Montgomery Cliff. Those two
Speaker 3: are virtually interchangeable. So you and Montague was already notable
Speaker 3: because at school he and his brother had created the
Speaker 3: rules for ping pong.
Speaker 1: No way yeah, I did not know that.
Speaker 3: Among other things, and his brother, equally interesting, equally rambunctious,
Speaker 3: went on to become a spy for the Soviets.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yes, so he turned yes against England, yes, wow,
Speaker 2: against everybody except for the Soviets. Well, Montague was a
Speaker 2: he was formerly a barrister and attorney, and this is
Speaker 2: why he actually did not go serve on a ship.
Speaker 2: And the other guy, Chumbley, never flew a plane. One
Speaker 2: was air Force, one was a navy, And apparently Montague
Speaker 2: was as an attorney, was very good at just seeing
Speaker 2: all the angles.
Speaker 1: So they said, you, sir, are perfect for this job.
Speaker 3: Nice as why.
Speaker 4: Saish?
Speaker 3: All right, chuck, Yes, So we have the rough outline
Speaker 3: that Ian Fleming came up with the XX Committee, led
Speaker 3: by you and Montague and Charles.
Speaker 2: Chumley, part of I five, I believe.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, said we're gonna take this particular idea and
Speaker 3: really run with it. And like you said, they were
Speaker 3: going to. Well, the first thing they did was start
Speaker 3: setting about creating a backstory.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well they had three months, so the clock is
Speaker 1: ticking at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because here's the thing. They set the invasion right
Speaker 3: in January and they set the invasion for July. Now
Speaker 3: you needed enough time to plant this, this corpse, this
Speaker 3: fake dead courier into Nazi hands, yea, and give the
Speaker 3: with enough time so that the Nazis could digest it,
Speaker 3: analyze it, decide it was truthful, and then react the
Speaker 3: way you wanted them to, which meant that they had
Speaker 3: no later than May or else this plan was out
Speaker 3: the window.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you wanted them. The ultimate goal was to have
Speaker 2: the Nazis put their troops in the wrong place, and
Speaker 2: that takes time.
Speaker 3: Right, So they looked around and they decided that the
Speaker 3: best place to carry out this operation was Spain. And
Speaker 3: Spain during World War Two was allegedly ostensibly neutral, Sure,
Speaker 3: but they had a lot of Axis sympathies, a lot
Speaker 3: of connections to Nazi Germany. And there was a particular
Speaker 3: Nazi agent, a spy working in a port called Whoevla.
Speaker 3: Whoevla right, sure, and his name was Adolf Klaus. And
Speaker 3: Adolf Klaus was known to be very methodical, pretty brutal,
Speaker 3: and ruthless, extremely gullible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a straight line thinker. He was hitler.
Speaker 2: He wasn't one that could think outside the box and
Speaker 2: think maybe this is an elaborate hoax.
Speaker 3: That guy didn't even own a real corkscrew, you know,
Speaker 3: Like they targeted this guy cut the top off of
Speaker 3: wine bottles. Yeah, they specifically targeted.
Speaker 1: Him, which is amazing.
Speaker 3: So they wanted this guy, who was fairly gullible but
Speaker 3: also known as like a very respected Nazi agent in Spain,
Speaker 3: to be the one who came up with this corpse
Speaker 3: and cadaver. So before they ever had any corpse or
Speaker 3: cadaver or anything like that, Montague and Chumley start setting
Speaker 3: about creating a backstory. And they created this guy named
Speaker 3: Major Martin, William Martin, that's right. And they created Major
Speaker 3: William Martin, and they created this whole persona. And this
Speaker 3: wasn't the first time they'd done it. They'd actually they
Speaker 3: had chops with this kind of stuff. So they had
Speaker 3: created a fake spy network that made Nazi Germany think
Speaker 3: that they had a whole double double agent network in
Speaker 3: the UK. And all of them were fictitious, not real
Speaker 3: people that you and Montague and Charles Chumley had created.
Speaker 3: These fake personas fed the Nazis misinformation through these people
Speaker 3: that didn't really exist. So they took that understanding and
Speaker 3: that thinking of what it takes to create a fake persona,
Speaker 3: and they said about creating one for major William Martin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a great BBC documentary on this, and
Speaker 2: they interview a lot of the players, including a lot
Speaker 2: of the women who worked at mi I five in
Speaker 2: the office, and they were all just so delighted that
Speaker 2: they all described this as like the most exciting adventure
Speaker 2: they'd ever had. I'm sure it was like something out
Speaker 2: of a spine novel and they were living it right,
Speaker 2: And so they all had great fun creating these characters,
Speaker 2: these made up people. They wanted to give him a
Speaker 2: fiance because the idea is that they find this body
Speaker 2: with what not only these documents in a briefcase, the
Speaker 2: important documents, but to make it believable, he had to
Speaker 2: have believable what they called pocket litter or wallet litter,
Speaker 2: which is, if you find any person on the street,
Speaker 2: ask him to open their wallet, you're gonna be able
Speaker 2: to tell a lot about them. Sure, so just stuff
Speaker 2: to legitimize it. So they said, let's give them a fiance, say,
Speaker 2: and all the women in the office wanted to be
Speaker 2: the fiance.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so.
Speaker 2: They all submitted photographs. They picked this one Lady Jean
Speaker 2: Leslie secretary.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's the lady on the beach.
Speaker 2: Yes, picture of her in a bathing suit on the beach,
Speaker 2: So this was going to be planted on his body.
Speaker 2: They all wanted to write the love letters back and forth,
Speaker 2: but they picked a woman named Hester Leggert, the head
Speaker 2: secretary of m I five, and she wrote even though
Speaker 2: she was a spinster, she wrote all these like heartfelt
Speaker 2: love letters.
Speaker 3: The first couple drafts were really dirty, and they were like,
Speaker 3: you kind of tone this down a little bit.
Speaker 1: You're like, is that what you think happens in a relationship.
Speaker 3: He's like, no, not me, the fictitious lady.
Speaker 1: So everyone's really excited. In the office.
Speaker 2: Chumley is wearing what would eventually be the uniform of
Speaker 2: Martin every day to give it that worn in look awesome.
Speaker 2: Monta Hue actually ended up having an affair with the
Speaker 2: secretary who gave him the photo as the fiance. Okay,
Speaker 2: they had a real life affair as Bill and Pam.
Speaker 2: Pam is the made up fiance. It got a little weird, weird,
Speaker 2: like they wrote each other love letters, had a real
Speaker 2: life affair, calling each other Bill and Pam.
Speaker 1: Huh, so there was some like strange role playing going on.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he was married at the time. His family
Speaker 2: had been shipped to America, so he was not doing
Speaker 2: the right thing there, jeez, he was. He was allous
Speaker 2: in that department.
Speaker 3: Well, you know also Roald Dahl, the guy who wrote
Speaker 3: James and the Giant Peach and Charlie and Chocolate Factory.
Speaker 3: He was a spy for the British. He was in
Speaker 3: the British military and his whole job was to basically
Speaker 3: bed the wives of American officials here in Washington. Really, yeah,
Speaker 3: did he do so? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh wow?
Speaker 3: Oh he made his way through Washington society. Wow, apparently
Speaker 3: with great zeal.
Speaker 1: All right, so they're cooking up this backstory.
Speaker 2: They get other great things for the wallet letter, like
Speaker 2: theater ticket stubs and an overdraft letter from his bank,
Speaker 2: and just these things that make it seem like super realistic.
Speaker 3: Right, and what else? I think they gave him a
Speaker 3: Saint Christopher Metal. Maybe they wanted to strongly imply that
Speaker 3: he was Roman Catholic and that'll come up very It'll
Speaker 3: become very important in a minute, right, yes, very much.
Speaker 3: So they've got this backstory, and apparently like this. They
Speaker 3: were working feverishly on this stuff, having the weirdo affair,
Speaker 3: wearing the uniform, all that stuff before they'd even gotten
Speaker 3: final approval, just because they didn't want to stop work
Speaker 3: and then have to pick it up feverishly. They wanted
Speaker 3: this to keep going. So they finally got final approval
Speaker 3: from Admiral Godfrey to carry out this thing for real.
Speaker 3: And when they got final approval, they said, okay, we
Speaker 3: need a body, and they figured no problem they were
Speaker 3: looking at first. They needed somebody who had relatives that
Speaker 3: didn't care what happened to the body after death and
Speaker 3: could keep their mouths shut. They needed a body that
Speaker 3: was of military age, sure didn't have any signs of
Speaker 3: visible trauma or right, and that that preferably they would
Speaker 3: have died of pneumonia. And the reason that they wanted
Speaker 3: him to die of pneumonia is because they they were
Speaker 3: going to make it look like this guy had been
Speaker 3: in a plane crash, but it survived the plane crash,
Speaker 3: but it drowned at sea. And if he had pneumonia,
Speaker 3: then his fluids would be filled with lungs, so that
Speaker 3: when the Spanish conducted an autopsy on him, yes, exactly,
Speaker 3: so that when the Spanish conducted their autopsy, they'd be like,
Speaker 3: this is the most amazing thing I've ever seen. I've
Speaker 3: never seen fluid filled with lungs, but that's how much
Speaker 3: fluid there is. The problem is is they didn't get
Speaker 3: their hands on a guy with pneumonia, and they didn't
Speaker 3: even know exactly where to get a person at first.
Speaker 3: It wasn't until they turned the guy who ran the
Speaker 3: morgue at Saint Pancras Hospital, which is the worst hospital
Speaker 3: name of all time. They turned him and got him
Speaker 3: to assist them that they finally got their hands on
Speaker 3: a body.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: His name was Sir Bentley Purchase, which is a great name,
Speaker 2: British name, and it was a He was a corner
Speaker 2: of the largest mortuary at sam Pancras, terrible, and he
Speaker 2: had apparently a wicked sense of humor. It was pretty
Speaker 2: complicated to give directions to his office. So when he
Speaker 2: gave Montahu the directions, he said, or you could just
Speaker 2: get run over by a buttz nice man.
Speaker 3: The British during wartime where they're having a blast, their
Speaker 3: sense of humor was wonderful.
Speaker 2: So they got Bentley purchased and he said, I've got
Speaker 2: a dude.
Speaker 1: His name is Glendore Michael.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is not how that's spelled either. No, it
Speaker 3: is g l y n d w R super Welsh. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was a Welshman born in nineteen oh nine. He
Speaker 3: is the son of a coal miner. His father killed
Speaker 3: himself by stabbing himself in the throat. I hadn't read that.
Speaker 2: That is a world man, and it didn't say like
Speaker 2: your throat said, he stabbed himself in the throat, right,
Speaker 2: which is weird and sad.
Speaker 3: Geez.
Speaker 2: So his dad died when he was a teenager, mother
Speaker 2: died when he was thirty alcoholic, had a rough go
Speaker 2: because of the depression, and was basically basically killed himself
Speaker 2: by ingesting rat poison.
Speaker 3: So that is not necessarily resolved whether it was suicide. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so the Bentley purchase wrote down that he he killed himself. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was ruled a suicide, okay, But the way that
Speaker 3: he ate the rat poison, it was on a crust
Speaker 3: of bread, so he was hungry, they wondered. So he
Speaker 3: may have been so destitute that he ate a crust
Speaker 3: of bread that he found in an abandoned warehouse and
Speaker 3: it was smeared with rat poison and that's what he
Speaker 3: died of.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: But they found him in this cold January night in
Speaker 3: nineteen forty three, in this abandoned warehouse in London, and
Speaker 3: he had just eaten some rat poison. But he survived
Speaker 3: for two more days. Yeah, And so Bentley purchased got
Speaker 3: his hands on him and said, I think I found
Speaker 3: your guy. Dudes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they did.
Speaker 2: There were some issues, of one of which is they
Speaker 2: needed a photo of the guy for an ID.
Speaker 1: He didn't have any photos.
Speaker 3: Oh god.
Speaker 1: And every time they took.
Speaker 2: A picture of the dead guy's face, they were like,
Speaker 2: he looks like a dead guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, so they scoured his eyes up.
Speaker 2: So they scoured London looking for a look alike and
Speaker 2: eventually found a guy at a fellow intelligence officer who
Speaker 2: looked just like him. Awes, so they used his face. Awesome,
Speaker 2: the ID. It's all coming together, Yes it is.
Speaker 3: I'm sure. They were like, Wow, Providence is really smiling
Speaker 3: on this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if you're feeling bad for Glendor, just hang tight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still think you can feel bad for Glendor. Well, sure,
Speaker 3: talk about a rough life, yeah, yeah, geez do you
Speaker 3: remember that one Sara Night Live where Robert Duvall was
Speaker 3: like super special guest who wasn't even hosting or mentioned. No,
Speaker 3: he just showed up on this game show called Who's
Speaker 3: More Grizzled? No Way, and he talks about like it
Speaker 3: was him and uh gar Brooks, how did I miss that?
Speaker 3: And he talks about how one one cole Winners, his
Speaker 3: wife died and he had to keep her out in
Speaker 3: the barn until the ground thowed so we could bury
Speaker 3: her out back. What. Yeah, it was just weird, like
Speaker 3: that wasn't even really funny. It was more just like, wow,
Speaker 3: that really is hard. But the whole game show was
Speaker 3: Who's More Grizzled? Any won? Of course because it's Robert duval.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's more grizzled than Garth Brooks or Chris.
Speaker 3: Yeah even yeah, yeah, poor Garth.
Speaker 1: Not poor Darth Brooks. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the Chris Gaines thing.
Speaker 2: He chose to do it. He's a wealthy man. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't feel too bad for.
Speaker 3: Him, but I think that was evidence that he was
Speaker 3: surrounded by yes men at the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that was a weird thing though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he faked a soul patch.
Speaker 1: Oh that wasn't even real.
Speaker 3: No. I mean, even if it was real, it was
Speaker 3: part of his character.
Speaker 1: It's like, sure, I thought you meant it was sharpie.
Speaker 3: Maybe Okay, the hair was definitely colored with sharpie.
Speaker 2: All right, So where where are we here? We've got
Speaker 2: a body. We finally got the photograph of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is that's amazing. I didn't know that part.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And there's another thing we found this awesome. A military
Speaker 3: analysis of it.
Speaker 1: So that was kind of cool.
Speaker 3: Somebody wrote a military analysis of this. I don't remember who,
Speaker 3: so I can't give them a shout out, but we'll
Speaker 3: put it on our podcast page. But they point out
Speaker 3: that one of the reasons this was so successful, this
Speaker 3: operation was one these guys at XCES commit XX Committee
Speaker 3: just had free run to break the law, bend morality,
Speaker 3: do all sorts of stuff. They just were able to
Speaker 3: go do their thing. But the other thing was is
Speaker 3: that they really kept this a lid on this stuff
Speaker 3: and it was all disseminated on a need to know basis.
Speaker 3: So when they had this guy, they had him, they
Speaker 3: had They got Glenn dr kept him on ice for
Speaker 3: three months as they finished his backstory. They're running up
Speaker 3: against like go time, and then I think in February
Speaker 3: or March April maybe I'm not sure of the date.
Speaker 1: Do you know that what happened.
Speaker 3: When they finally carried out Operation mince Meat.
Speaker 2: Let's just say spring, because I know that they kept
Speaker 2: him on ice for a few months.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And they so they're up to the point where
Speaker 3: the decomp is about to give away that this guy
Speaker 3: didn't just recently die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was a big fear that the Spanish
Speaker 2: corners would be able to tell too, okay, which will
Speaker 2: come up in a minute, Okay.
Speaker 3: And they're also getting to the point where they're reaching
Speaker 3: the end of the amount of time that they need
Speaker 3: to give the Nazis to absorb this Mints information. Sure,
Speaker 3: so they finally they get the guy's persona in place,
Speaker 3: they have the body, and now it's time to actually
Speaker 3: carry out the operation. And like I was saying, they
Speaker 3: kept a lid on all this, so it was a
Speaker 3: need to know basis. So they got their hands on
Speaker 3: a subcommander who could keep his mouth shut, and they
Speaker 3: gave him a metal cylinder with the corpse of glendor
Speaker 3: Michael now Major William Martin Yeah.
Speaker 2: When you say subcommander, you mean submarine, Yes, not a
Speaker 2: commander below regular commander.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that submarine commander. Yeah. They gave him the cylinder
Speaker 3: and they said, we're going to tell you what's in here.
Speaker 3: Do not tell anybody else. So apparently the people staffing
Speaker 3: this sub I thought this was some sort of weather bowy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was marked optical instruments. But you're right. He
Speaker 2: was the only one on board supposedly that knew that
Speaker 2: there was a body inside.
Speaker 3: Yep. And they put a life jacket on him, stuffed
Speaker 3: him in the cylinder, put him on the sub and
Speaker 3: took him over to Spain under us on a submarine.
Speaker 2: Well, let's back up for one second, okay, because we
Speaker 2: forgot to cover the main letter in the briefcase really important.
Speaker 2: This was the all of operation mince Meat. It did
Speaker 2: not hinge on theater ticket stubs or banked overdraft letters.
Speaker 3: That's merely pocket litter.
Speaker 1: It hinged on a letter.
Speaker 2: Hinting strongly that the invade was going to come up
Speaker 2: through Greece Sardinia.
Speaker 3: Right. And that was the other thing too. It wasn't
Speaker 3: like official document invasion is going to come through Greece.
Speaker 3: It was a letter from one general or admiral to
Speaker 3: another high ranking guy, I.
Speaker 1: Think General Nye.
Speaker 2: They composed a bunch of different letters themselves, and finally
Speaker 2: they said, why don't you write it in your own words,
Speaker 2: in your own language.
Speaker 3: In your own handwriting everything. So it really was written
Speaker 3: by this high ranking US military official or British military
Speaker 3: official who wrote this fake letter.
Speaker 2: And he made a joke about sardines, a terrible joke,
Speaker 2: which was the little hint that was just clever enough
Speaker 2: to work.
Speaker 3: Right, And so in it it basically says we're coming
Speaker 3: up with the you know, we're going to strike through Greece,
Speaker 3: that's where the invasion of Europe's going to be. But
Speaker 3: we're also going to tell everybody that Sicily is the cover. Right.
Speaker 3: And this was a stroke of genius because in this
Speaker 3: false letter, not only does it show that they're coming
Speaker 3: through Greece, which they weren't, but it says that Sicily's
Speaker 3: the cover, which would make the Nazis think that if
Speaker 3: anyone ever did actually leak the real invasion plan of Sicily,
Speaker 3: the Nazis would think that that was misinformation. Dude, it
Speaker 3: was so ingenious, that's crazy genius. And I think about
Speaker 3: here now, Chuck, we get to the point where we
Speaker 3: should talk about the Enigma machine and the role it played, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, basically we all know that the Enigma machine
Speaker 2: was the code breaking machine invented in the UK to decipher.
Speaker 3: Well, the Enigma machine wrote the code.
Speaker 1: I think, oh it wrote the code. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: deciphered code though they'd gotten.
Speaker 3: They deciphered it at Bletchley Park. But I think the
Speaker 3: Enigma machine was the actual code writing the encrypting machine.
Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, so we definitely need to do a podcast
Speaker 2: on that, right, because we're mixed up already.
Speaker 3: To get it straight.
Speaker 1: But at any rate, the long and short of it
Speaker 1: is in Beckley Park? Was it Beckley Park?
Speaker 3: I always say Bletchley?
Speaker 1: Oh? It was there? An Ellen there?
Speaker 3: I draw the whole ugly word out.
Speaker 1: They basically had they could.
Speaker 2: It was like reading the Nazis email essentially, like on
Speaker 2: a daily basis, on an hourly basis, they knew exactly
Speaker 2: what was going on, so they would know if they
Speaker 2: were buying this whole thing as it happened in real time.
Speaker 3: But even before that, they were able to craft this
Speaker 3: this misinformation based on the Nazis assumption. So everybody wants
Speaker 3: to hear that their assumptions that their beliefs are correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: People are more apt to buy that things that confirm
Speaker 3: their suspicions of their beliefs already. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hitler was worried about Sicily.
Speaker 3: He was, so he already thought that Greece was going
Speaker 3: to be where we invaded.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then secondly he was he we knew that he
Speaker 3: had heard rumors that Mussolini was going to be toppled soon,
Speaker 3: so he was reticent to commit troops to Italy Sicily. Right.
Speaker 3: So this this revelation that came in the form of
Speaker 3: this letter, this false letter, completely supported everything that Hitler
Speaker 3: and the Third Reich believed as far as this European
Speaker 3: invasion was going to go. And we're able to do
Speaker 3: that thanks to the smarties at Buttchley Park, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this letter too is here's another little tidbit.
Speaker 2: They put a single eyelash in the fold of the letter,
Speaker 2: so they would know when they eventually got this letter back,
Speaker 2: if there was no eyelash, they would know that the
Speaker 2: Nazi said in fact opened it. And because the idea
Speaker 2: was they would open it and reseal it and act
Speaker 2: like we never saw it. But there wasn't that eyelash
Speaker 2: and they'd know. So rudimentary, but it worked.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so should we take another break. Let's take a.
Speaker 4: Break as why sks?
Speaker 3: Okay, So, Chuck, we are at sea aboard a submarine.
Speaker 2: Chili down here and dark it is, and you're not
Speaker 2: supposed to be smoking cigars. No you're not, despite Gene
Speaker 2: Hackman doing it and Crimson died.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a bad idea. So we're off the coast
Speaker 3: of Spain. We're off the coast of Huevla. Not an
Speaker 3: easy word to say, but it's important Spain. And again
Speaker 3: this is where Nazi agent ate off Klaus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they kind of want to float the body right
Speaker 2: up to this guy's backyard basically.
Speaker 3: So they did. He was released from this canister. I
Speaker 3: read somewhere else that the canister itself was fired on
Speaker 3: with submar submachine guns on a sub so you could
Speaker 3: just call the machine guns there. Yeah, and it was
Speaker 3: sunk and the body drifted off toward Oh.
Speaker 1: I thought they just dumped the body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure, because I found a book on
Speaker 3: Google Books. It was like from two thousand and seven
Speaker 3: and it was a history book, gotcha, And it made
Speaker 3: it sound like the sub, the people working on the
Speaker 3: sub all knew what was going on. But that's in
Speaker 3: stark contrast to everything else who's seen. Yeah, so they
Speaker 3: may or may not have sunk the weatherby who knows,
Speaker 3: but either way, Major Martin was released into the current
Speaker 3: that took him right to Huevla and he went. I
Speaker 3: think he was found by a fisherman that same day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at this point the Brits started sending telegrams
Speaker 2: about a very important missing person frantic. Yeah, like they
Speaker 2: wanted these to get intercepted obviously, and that worked as well.
Speaker 2: This is all really going exactly as they had planned.
Speaker 3: So they sent the British Council in Spain in Huevla,
Speaker 3: or in Spain to Huevla and said, you need this
Speaker 3: is really important. You need to get your hands on
Speaker 3: the briefcase, find out what happened to this guy and
Speaker 3: get your hands on his briefcase.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Klaus is going briefcase right hmm.
Speaker 3: As Monocle popped out and the British Council in Spain
Speaker 3: didn't even know what was going on. Yeah, they thought
Speaker 3: like this is like they were. They saw everything from
Speaker 3: the same aspect of reality that the Nazis saw. Need
Speaker 3: to know basis exactly. So the British Council are trying
Speaker 3: to get this briefcase kind of frantically, and the Spaniards
Speaker 3: were like, uh, you know what, we are just going
Speaker 3: to keep this on lockdown for now as we investigate
Speaker 3: the whole thing. But we got it covered. Remember we're neutral,
Speaker 3: so your briefcase is safe. The British consul said, well, okay,
Speaker 3: one thing, this is very important. Uh, this guy was
Speaker 3: Roman Catholic. You can check out the metal in his pocket. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so please don't dissect him. It's against Roman Catholic beliefs
Speaker 3: and traditions to dissect our autopsy body. I hadn't heard before,
Speaker 3: but apparently in the forties that was the case, and
Speaker 3: Spain was way down with that super Roman Catholic and said, oh, yes,
Speaker 3: of course we won't do that. So apparently that's how
Speaker 3: they got around the fact that Glendor hadn't died of pneumonia.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the other way they got around it was they
Speaker 2: had a plant in the office who talked to the
Speaker 2: corners and was like, guys, it's hot and this body
Speaker 2: is going to start riding real soon. So how thorough
Speaker 2: do you really want to make this? And they said,
Speaker 2: you're right, Let's go have some wine. Some what do
Speaker 2: they call it over there?
Speaker 3: Wine? No, what's the fruity sangria.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go have some sangria and knock off early.
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened thanks to the plant. So
Speaker 2: this is going on. There was a small wrinkle at
Speaker 2: this point. The briefcase went to Madrid. Spain wasn't going
Speaker 2: to hand it over to anyone, but the Brits were
Speaker 2: trying to get it in the hands of the Nazis.
Speaker 2: And they're actually having trouble getting it into the hands
Speaker 2: of the Nazis until a guy named Carlo Koulantal, he
Speaker 2: was Hitler's most trusted guy in Spain. He got wind
Speaker 2: of it and kind of took over for Klaus. Was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to get this briefcase, and he did. Nine
Speaker 2: days later, after the body washed ashore, the letter ended
Speaker 2: up in the hands of the German. The German, you know,
Speaker 2: it worked his way.
Speaker 3: Up the chain, Yeah, to Hitler himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to Gebels first and Gebels, even in
Speaker 2: his diary they found later had suspicions about it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because he was a corkscrew.
Speaker 2: Thinker and he was like, wait a minute, this is
Speaker 2: pretty convenient. Yeah, this is really fishy here. But he
Speaker 2: apparently he never said anything to Hiller.
Speaker 3: He got distracted.
Speaker 2: He wrote about in his diary, but the documentary said
Speaker 2: his thinking was, well, if Hitler believes it, then that's
Speaker 2: good enough for me.
Speaker 3: Huh, that seems like bad idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Homeboy Carlo Kuhlenthal, there was always a lot of speculation
Speaker 2: on why he just ran with it and didn't ask
Speaker 2: more questions because that was his job. And it turns
Speaker 2: out his grandmother was Jewish and he was very paranoid
Speaker 2: about this being found out.
Speaker 1: So he thought, this is it.
Speaker 2: I've come upon the greatest find of the war and
Speaker 2: it's all mine. So yeah, no one will ask any
Speaker 2: questions about me after this.
Speaker 3: Huh. Wow, that worked out really really well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very convenient.
Speaker 3: And thanks to the Enigma machine they knew the Brits
Speaker 3: knew pretty quickly that this was working. And I guess
Speaker 3: Montague and Chumley sent Admiral God for you a transmission
Speaker 3: that said Operation mince Meat swallowed Rod Bline and Sinker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that when the it's so cool seeing these old
Speaker 2: like apparently you're not supposed to say elderly anymore, by
Speaker 2: the way, we got an email. I knew that or seniors.
Speaker 2: You're supposed to call them older adults.
Speaker 3: Seniors. I didn't know that that was the thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, older adults.
Speaker 2: So they're interviewing these older adults, these British ladies that
Speaker 2: are in their eighties now, and they were just all
Speaker 2: so still excited, they said when they because you know,
Speaker 2: with the Enigma machine, they were reading their emails and
Speaker 2: they were like they knew they were buying it. They're
Speaker 2: buying it, and everyone was just like flipped when that
Speaker 2: came through the office. It was just like party time basically.
Speaker 3: So the Operation mints Me really really worked really well,
Speaker 3: so much so that apparently Hitler moved a panzer division,
Speaker 3: which totals about ninety thousand troops from Sicily to Greece.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and all the artillery and armaments and everything
Speaker 2: not just soldiers, so.
Speaker 3: Long Sicily were going to Greece, and then up came
Speaker 3: the Allies through Sicily, one hundred and sixty thousand Allied
Speaker 3: troops stormed sicily, and only seven thousand lives were lost,
Speaker 3: which is still a lot of people who died. But apparently,
Speaker 3: as far as military historians are concerned, and I think
Speaker 3: the military at the time, that was a way fewer
Speaker 3: lives lost than they expected had they had Hitler not
Speaker 3: swallowed Operation mince Me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they expect did ten thousand casualties in the first
Speaker 2: three days and three hundred boats sunk in the first
Speaker 2: two days, and it ended up being fourteen hundred in
Speaker 2: that first week soldiers and about a dozen ships in
Speaker 2: that first week, So that's not bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And not only that, but it had another effect.
Speaker 3: Big one the Soviets. Yeah. So this is not something
Speaker 3: that they teach in American history classes in US high
Speaker 3: schools that much. The Operation Husky, it was that penetration
Speaker 3: of Europe's under belly, right, Yeah. And suddenly Hitler said,
Speaker 3: I'm about to storm Russia, but I really need these
Speaker 3: troops down here in Europe because I got big problems. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And that allowed basically Russia to topple the Nazi regime.
Speaker 1: And Mussolini get toppled by the Brits.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It completely changed the face of the war. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: one idea cooked up by me and Fleming in part.
Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy?
Speaker 3: It's pretty awesome. Other stuff, there's a book called Operation
Speaker 3: mince Meat by a guy named Brett McIntyre. All right,
Speaker 3: it came out in twenty ten. That's a very good,
Speaker 3: well cited book that we inadvertently cited here there. And
Speaker 3: then there's The Man Who Never Was, which was written
Speaker 3: by you and Montague, which is not just about Operation
Speaker 3: mince Meat but also about basically how to carry out
Speaker 3: deception plans.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Remember earlier when I said, don't feel too bad for Glendor, Michael, Yes,
Speaker 2: even you said, well, the dude died, possibly of suicide
Speaker 2: because he was penniless and going nowhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I feel bad about that.
Speaker 2: But fifty years after he was buried, in nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: the British government added they basically buried him with military honors.
Speaker 3: The Spanish did, oh this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was buried in Spain, but the British it
Speaker 2: came from the Brits, I think to do so.
Speaker 3: His headstone came from the Brits. But the Spanish buried
Speaker 3: him with like the twenty one gun salute and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, says Glendor Michael served as Major William Martin, r M.
Speaker 2: Royal Marine.
Speaker 1: Pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this.
Speaker 2: Alcoholic drifter who never served in the military, never served
Speaker 2: in the military, buried with full military honors. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: completely changed the face of the war thanks to being
Speaker 2: a body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that fit the fit the bill.
Speaker 3: And if you like ghoulish photos, is a very famous
Speaker 3: photo of him being propped up in his life jacket
Speaker 3: and uniform as they were basically loading him into the
Speaker 3: cylinder that you can see by searching. I'm sure Major
Speaker 3: Charles Martin, that's right, Charles Martin. No, William Martin, William Martin,
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 2: I still want to know what was going on with
Speaker 2: that weird role playing there with the dude.
Speaker 3: That's odd.
Speaker 1: Dyll and Pam Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they interviewed the lady and she was just like.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was all very exciting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great British lady accent older person, yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: older adulder adult yeah yeah, boldie. If you want to
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Speaker 3: History Class episode and I said, stuff you missed in
Speaker 3: history class. It's time for listener mail.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this bread crust.
Speaker 2: We had that discussion about the crust and the n pieces,
Speaker 2: So this is.
Speaker 1: From a dad.
Speaker 2: Dear Chuck and Josh, your discussion of the inslice of
Speaker 2: bread and the body language episode brought a ridiculous grin
Speaker 2: to my face as I walked around my neighborhood. Don't worry, though,
Speaker 2: my neighbors have thought me to be eccentric for years. Now,
Speaker 2: look at that guy smiling.
Speaker 3: What a weirdo. We must be a pinko.
Speaker 2: When our daughters were still tiny, my wife and I
Speaker 2: realized we were doomed to eighteenish years of eating bread
Speaker 2: crust pieces ourselves if we.
Speaker 1: Didn't figure something out and quickly our solution.
Speaker 2: We started calling those pieces the lucky piece, and boy
Speaker 2: did we rook our innocent, trusting toddlers. Turns out your
Speaker 2: supposition is correct, Juck. At least for children under eleven
Speaker 2: years old, even if they're honor students, is mine where
Speaker 2: they will fight you for the right to eat that savory,
Speaker 2: oh soo desirable piece of luck.
Speaker 3: Nice idea younger adults.
Speaker 2: Rock on, guys, and please keep my goofy grins coming.
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Speaker 1: Is that an accent a doo? No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't take French legom.
Speaker 1: What do you call that a lagom accent lagom?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So thanks Ted, I'll just call you coin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Ted quin que.
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