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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Happy Saturday.

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Speaker 2: It's Chuck here, and I am picking out our select

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Speaker 2: for this week, and I'm going with a more recent one,

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Speaker 2: maybe controversial to do so, but it's our episode on

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Speaker 2: Operation Min's Meat. And I am picking that one because

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Speaker 2: I don't think we're able to record this for that episode.

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Speaker 2: But the Broadway show Operation Min's Meat was literally inspired

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Speaker 2: by this episode. The one of the stars and the

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Speaker 2: producers was all over Variety magazine and all over the

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Speaker 2: place in interview saying that her brother they were searching

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Speaker 2: for a show to do, to write and make into

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Speaker 2: a Broadway show, and he said, Hey, you should check

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Speaker 2: out this episode of stuff. You should know Operation Min's Meat.

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Speaker 2: This is this really crazy story and I think there's

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Speaker 2: something there. And there was something there because not only

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Speaker 2: did they make it to a Broadway show, it's been

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Speaker 2: a pretty big hit and was nominated for Tony Awards

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Speaker 2: and I am going to get to go see it

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Speaker 2: because I think I get to meet the cast. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: here we go, everyone, another little feather in our cap

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Speaker 2: Operation mince Meat colon How a corpse Fooled the Nazis.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's

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Speaker 3: Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry Rowland. This is Stuff

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Speaker 3: you Should Know. Chuck. Yo, I'm thirty nine years old

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Speaker 3: and I still can't say my own name correctly because

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Speaker 3: of my stupid thick tongue.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're gonna be forty yeah soon. Crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Used to make fun of me, and now you're old.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're still older than me.

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Speaker 1: I know that I can do about that.

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Speaker 3: It's cool though. Yeah, you're aging very well. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 3: you're aging really well.

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Speaker 2: But you mean the teeth falling out, the weight gain

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Speaker 2: and the gray beard.

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Speaker 3: I still say you're aging very well.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get your hair, take off your hat.

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Speaker 1: I still got good hair.

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Speaker 2: Boom, look at that the got hat head now beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Okay, people think I'm bald. Some people do? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Really like you're always wearing that hat, do you?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Suspicious people, yeah, like the drummer for the Chili Peppers.

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Speaker 3: Anthony Keatith Flee Nope, the guy from Jane's Addiction, Nope

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Speaker 3: I don't know them, not.

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Speaker 2: John for SHUNTI Chad Smith, the guy that looks like

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Speaker 2: Will Ferrell, He's always Will Ferrell.

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Speaker 1: He's always got that hat on backwards.

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Speaker 3: And he's bald. Oh yeah, totally Brett, like Brett Michael's bald.

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Speaker 3: I remember he always wears a do ragh. He's super bald.

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Speaker 1: So I get why people are suspicious.

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Speaker 2: If you're a public figure that has a patented hat piece,

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Speaker 2: then it's probably because you're bald, but not in my case.

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Speaker 2: What a weird way to start the show, especially this show,

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Speaker 2: Operation mince meat yep, which is a ghoulish gallows humor

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Speaker 2: awesomely World War two British name for this, this operation. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this will live alongside our Nazi spies and Invading Florida.

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Speaker 3: Podcast and the History Girls covered this this very topic

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Speaker 3: as well. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Man, there's nothing I love more than little known history.

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Speaker 3: This is it. But this is great little known history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this shouldn't be middle known because it was

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Speaker 2: after the Trojan War, maybe the largest and most successful

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Speaker 3: Well there was also have you seen that documentary Ghost

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Speaker 3: Army about Operation Fortitude. No, they used a bunch of

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Speaker 3: division over here. Yeah, so that we could invade Normandy moreas.

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Speaker 1: It's like a Looney Tune cartoon.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, but yes, this ranks up there with literally with

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Speaker 3: the Trojan Horse. It's that ingenious and that wonderful.

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Speaker 3: But so let's set the stage right, Okay, So in

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Speaker 3: early nineteen forty three, the war was very much undecided. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, come up through the Mediterranean. Even Hitler feared this

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Speaker 3: You need to know kind of specifically where they were covering.

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Speaker 3: And in nineteen forty three, I think January, the Allied

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Speaker 3: We're going to call it Operation Husky. Now we have

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Speaker 3: know that that's where we're going. And that actually hatched

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, studying the stuff and I'm not

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Speaker 2: reading up on this stuff, like the old wars are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's literally when you look at this stuff, it's

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Speaker 2: like moving troops to where you think people are gonna

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Speaker 2: if you're right, then great. If not, you're screwed.

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Speaker 3: Very much though, which is why it's such a huge

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Speaker 1: That's scary stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think pretty much all war is scary. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course I'm not saying like Normandy was a

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Speaker 3: Man, I watched Stavin Private Ryan again the other day. God,

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Speaker 1: I never saw that one. The Mel Gibson w Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Dude, it's it's the most graphically violent mainstream movie ever made.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like there's a part where they have a shot

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Speaker 1: Did you like Saving Private Ryan again?

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Speaker 3: Though? Yeah, it's a great movie, but it is like

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Speaker 3: really like violent. That's another thing about getting older is

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Speaker 3: come to terms with your own mortality, the more valuable

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Speaker 2: You, agreed. It's called growing up, my friend.

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Speaker 3: I'm becoming human in it grows all right.

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Speaker 2: So on September twenty ninth, nineteen thirty nine, there was

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Speaker 2: a director of British Naval Intelligence named Admiral John Godfrey,

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Speaker 2: and he distributed something called the Trout Memo and it

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Speaker 3: That's right, the guy.

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Speaker 2: And I think most people know that he served at

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Speaker 3: So he wrote the Trout Memo, and they called it

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Speaker 3: the Trout Memo because they pointed out in the intro

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Speaker 3: that the trout fisherman fishes very patiently, but he changes

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Speaker 3: And so they wanted to they're charged with deception. They

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this was a time too.

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Speaker 2: We should point out that spying, spying is always vital,

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Speaker 1: Of the war.

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Speaker 2: So we need to do one on the Enigma machine,

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Speaker 3: We do, because that's one of the unsung heroes in

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Speaker 1: Absolutely all right.

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Speaker 2: So with the Trout Memo, Ian Fleming wrote, well, co

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Speaker 2: authored fifty one different operations suggestions, and number twenty eight

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Speaker 2: The following suggestion is used in a book by Basil Thompson.

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Speaker 3: I'm so pleased that you said Basil instead of Basil. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In fact, that was a nineteen thirty seven dollars novel

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Speaker 3: And he was actually a World War One spy.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, it's all coming together.

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Speaker 3: So he was a spy writer. That Ian Fleming, the

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Speaker 3: creator of James Bond Doug Crazy. So that's where this originates.

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Speaker 2: The following suggestion is used in a book by Basil

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Speaker 2: Thompson Colin A corpse dressed as an airman with dispatches

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Speaker 2: So the idea is, let's get a dead person, let's

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Speaker 2: documents that leak this invasion fraudulent, fraudulent, yeah, very important,

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Speaker 2: that leak the invasion of Greece, which is not really happening.

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Speaker 2: actually go in sicily, they're gonna find this body. They're

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that was the That was the whole idea.

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Speaker 3: That was the general basis of it.

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Speaker 2: And Churchill loved the idea because apparently he liked what

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Speaker 2: he called corkscrewthinkers because he knew Hitler thought in a

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Speaker 2: straight line. Yes, and by corkscrew thinkers, I think that

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Speaker 2: would be our equivalent of.

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Speaker 1: Outside the box exactly.

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Speaker 2: Churchill was like, this is great, I love church Let's

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Speaker 3: the well, that idea was roughly outlined by Ian Fleming,

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Speaker 3: and then the the Churchill's course crew thinkers, the XX

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Speaker 1: Chumley.

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Speaker 1: No, how's it spelled?

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Speaker 3: Are you ready for this?

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Speaker 3: Charles c h O l m O n d e

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Speaker 2: And apparently when he met people he would say, uh,

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Speaker 1: He would spell it out what he really Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Are you making fun of me? Or is that for real?

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Speaker 1: No, No, he was a very quirky guy.

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Speaker 2: And that's how he described himself as toothpaste, as if

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Speaker 1: He's a weird guy.

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Speaker 2: I actually watched a quickie BuzzFeed video on this, huh

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Speaker 2: and they pronounced it Charles Charle.

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Speaker 3: Nice, I'm glad we did our research. Shout out to BuzzFeed.

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Speaker 3: So you and Montague, right, yeah, the other guy. He

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Speaker 2: The man who was never there, the man who never

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Speaker 3: So came a movie too, Yeah, of the same name,

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Speaker 3: are virtually interchangeable. So you and Montague was already notable

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Speaker 1: No way yeah, I did not know that.

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Speaker 3: Among other things, and his brother, equally interesting, equally rambunctious,

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Speaker 1: So they said, you, sir, are perfect for this job.

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Speaker 3: Nice as why.

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Speaker 4: Saish?

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Speaker 3: All right, chuck, Yes, So we have the rough outline

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Speaker 3: by you and Montague and Charles.

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Speaker 2: Chumley, part of I five, I believe.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, said we're gonna take this particular idea and

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well they had three months, so the clock is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because here's the thing. They set the invasion right

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Speaker 3: you needed enough time to plant this, this corpse, this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you wanted them. The ultimate goal was to have

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Speaker 3: Right, So they looked around and they decided that the

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Speaker 3: Spain during World War Two was allegedly ostensibly neutral, Sure,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a straight line thinker. He was hitler.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't one that could think outside the box and

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Speaker 3: That guy didn't even own a real corkscrew, you know,

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Speaker 1: Him, which is amazing.

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Speaker 3: So they wanted this guy, who was fairly gullible but

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Speaker 3: Major Martin, William Martin, that's right. And they created Major

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a great BBC documentary on this, and

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: They all submitted photographs. They picked this one Lady Jean

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's the lady on the beach.

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Speaker 2: Yes, picture of her in a bathing suit on the beach,

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Speaker 2: They all wanted to write the love letters back and forth,

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Speaker 3: The first couple drafts were really dirty, and they were like,

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Speaker 1: You're like, is that what you think happens in a relationship.

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Speaker 2: they had a real life affair as Bill and Pam.

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Speaker 2: Pam is the made up fiance. It got a little weird, weird,

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Speaker 3: Well, you know also Roald Dahl, the guy who wrote

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Speaker 3: Right, and what else? I think they gave him a

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: His name was Sir Bentley Purchase, which is a great name,

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Speaker 1: His name is Glendore Michael.

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Speaker 3: himself by stabbing himself in the throat. I hadn't read that.

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00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 2: That is a world man, and it didn't say like

441
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: your throat said, he stabbed himself in the throat, right,

442
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: which is weird and sad.

443
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 3: Geez.

444
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 2: So his dad died when he was a teenager, mother

445
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: died when he was thirty alcoholic, had a rough go

446
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 2: because of the depression, and was basically basically killed himself

447
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 2: by ingesting rat poison.

448
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 3: So that is not necessarily resolved whether it was suicide. Yeah,

449
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 3: so the Bentley purchase wrote down that he he killed himself. Yeah,

450
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 3: it was ruled a suicide, okay, But the way that

451
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: he ate the rat poison, it was on a crust

452
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 3: of bread, so he was hungry, they wondered. So he

453
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: may have been so destitute that he ate a crust

454
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 3: of bread that he found in an abandoned warehouse and

455
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 3: it was smeared with rat poison and that's what he

456
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 3: died of.

457
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: Wow.

458
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: But they found him in this cold January night in

459
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 3: nineteen forty three, in this abandoned warehouse in London, and

460
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 3: he had just eaten some rat poison. But he survived

461
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 3: for two more days. Yeah, And so Bentley purchased got

462
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 3: his hands on him and said, I think I found

463
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 3: your guy. Dudes.

464
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they did.

465
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: There were some issues, of one of which is they

466
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: needed a photo of the guy for an ID.

467
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: He didn't have any photos.

468
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 3: Oh god.

469
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: And every time they took.

470
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: A picture of the dead guy's face, they were like,

471
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: he looks like a dead guy.

472
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, so they scoured his eyes up.

473
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: So they scoured London looking for a look alike and

474
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 2: eventually found a guy at a fellow intelligence officer who

475
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: looked just like him. Awes, so they used his face. Awesome,

476
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: the ID. It's all coming together, Yes it is.

477
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 3: I'm sure. They were like, Wow, Providence is really smiling

478
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: on this. Yeah.

479
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: And if you're feeling bad for Glendor, just hang tight.

480
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still think you can feel bad for Glendor. Well, sure,

481
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 3: talk about a rough life, yeah, yeah, geez do you

482
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 3: remember that one Sara Night Live where Robert Duvall was

483
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 3: like super special guest who wasn't even hosting or mentioned. No,

484
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 3: he just showed up on this game show called Who's

485
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: More Grizzled? No Way, and he talks about like it

486
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 3: was him and uh gar Brooks, how did I miss that?

487
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 3: And he talks about how one one cole Winners, his

488
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 3: wife died and he had to keep her out in

489
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 3: the barn until the ground thowed so we could bury

490
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 3: her out back. What. Yeah, it was just weird, like

491
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: that wasn't even really funny. It was more just like, wow,

492
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 3: that really is hard. But the whole game show was

493
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: Who's More Grizzled? Any won? Of course because it's Robert duval.

494
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's more grizzled than Garth Brooks or Chris.

495
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 3: Yeah even yeah, yeah, poor Garth.

496
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: Not poor Darth Brooks. What are you talking about?

497
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the Chris Gaines thing.

498
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: He chose to do it. He's a wealthy man. Yeah,

499
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't feel too bad for.

500
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: Him, but I think that was evidence that he was

501
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: surrounded by yes men at the time.

502
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that was a weird thing though.

503
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he faked a soul patch.

504
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: Oh that wasn't even real.

505
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 3: No. I mean, even if it was real, it was

506
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: part of his character.

507
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: It's like, sure, I thought you meant it was sharpie.

508
00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: Maybe Okay, the hair was definitely colored with sharpie.

509
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: All right, So where where are we here? We've got

510
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: a body. We finally got the photograph of them.

511
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is that's amazing. I didn't know that part.

512
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

513
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 3: And there's another thing we found this awesome. A military

514
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: analysis of it.

515
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: So that was kind of cool.

516
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: Somebody wrote a military analysis of this. I don't remember who,

517
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 3: so I can't give them a shout out, but we'll

518
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 3: put it on our podcast page. But they point out

519
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: that one of the reasons this was so successful, this

520
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 3: operation was one these guys at XCES commit XX Committee

521
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 3: just had free run to break the law, bend morality,

522
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: do all sorts of stuff. They just were able to

523
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 3: go do their thing. But the other thing was is

524
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 3: that they really kept this a lid on this stuff

525
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: and it was all disseminated on a need to know basis.

526
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: So when they had this guy, they had him, they

527
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: had They got Glenn dr kept him on ice for

528
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 3: three months as they finished his backstory. They're running up

529
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: against like go time, and then I think in February

530
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 3: or March April maybe I'm not sure of the date.

531
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: Do you know that what happened.

532
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 3: When they finally carried out Operation mince Meat.

533
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: Let's just say spring, because I know that they kept

534
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: him on ice for a few months.

535
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: Yeah. And they so they're up to the point where

536
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: the decomp is about to give away that this guy

537
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 3: didn't just recently die.

538
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was a big fear that the Spanish

539
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 2: corners would be able to tell too, okay, which will

540
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: come up in a minute, Okay.

541
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: And they're also getting to the point where they're reaching

542
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 3: the end of the amount of time that they need

543
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 3: to give the Nazis to absorb this Mints information. Sure,

544
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 3: so they finally they get the guy's persona in place,

545
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: they have the body, and now it's time to actually

546
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: carry out the operation. And like I was saying, they

547
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: kept a lid on all this, so it was a

548
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: need to know basis. So they got their hands on

549
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: a subcommander who could keep his mouth shut, and they

550
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: gave him a metal cylinder with the corpse of glendor

551
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: Michael now Major William Martin Yeah.

552
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: When you say subcommander, you mean submarine, Yes, not a

553
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: commander below regular commander.

554
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that submarine commander. Yeah. They gave him the cylinder

555
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: and they said, we're going to tell you what's in here.

556
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: Do not tell anybody else. So apparently the people staffing

557
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: this sub I thought this was some sort of weather bowy.

558
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was marked optical instruments. But you're right. He

559
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: was the only one on board supposedly that knew that

560
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 2: there was a body inside.

561
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: Yep. And they put a life jacket on him, stuffed

562
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: him in the cylinder, put him on the sub and

563
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: took him over to Spain under us on a submarine.

564
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: Well, let's back up for one second, okay, because we

565
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: forgot to cover the main letter in the briefcase really important.

566
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: This was the all of operation mince Meat. It did

567
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: not hinge on theater ticket stubs or banked overdraft letters.

568
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: That's merely pocket litter.

569
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: It hinged on a letter.

570
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: Hinting strongly that the invade was going to come up

571
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: through Greece Sardinia.

572
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: Right. And that was the other thing too. It wasn't

573
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: like official document invasion is going to come through Greece.

574
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: It was a letter from one general or admiral to

575
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: another high ranking guy, I.

576
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: Think General Nye.

577
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: They composed a bunch of different letters themselves, and finally

578
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: they said, why don't you write it in your own words,

579
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: in your own language.

580
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: In your own handwriting everything. So it really was written

581
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: by this high ranking US military official or British military

582
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: official who wrote this fake letter.

583
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: And he made a joke about sardines, a terrible joke,

584
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: which was the little hint that was just clever enough

585
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: to work.

586
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: Right, And so in it it basically says we're coming

587
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: up with the you know, we're going to strike through Greece,

588
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: that's where the invasion of Europe's going to be. But

589
00:29:54,720 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: we're also going to tell everybody that Sicily is the cover. Right.

590
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: And this was a stroke of genius because in this

591
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: false letter, not only does it show that they're coming

592
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: through Greece, which they weren't, but it says that Sicily's

593
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: the cover, which would make the Nazis think that if

594
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: anyone ever did actually leak the real invasion plan of Sicily,

595
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: the Nazis would think that that was misinformation. Dude, it

596
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: was so ingenious, that's crazy genius. And I think about

597
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: here now, Chuck, we get to the point where we

598
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 3: should talk about the Enigma machine and the role it played, right.

599
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, basically we all know that the Enigma machine

600
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: was the code breaking machine invented in the UK to decipher.

601
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: Well, the Enigma machine wrote the code.

602
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: I think, oh it wrote the code. Yeah, and it

603
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: deciphered code though they'd gotten.

604
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: They deciphered it at Bletchley Park. But I think the

605
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: Enigma machine was the actual code writing the encrypting machine.

606
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but.

607
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: Okay, well, so we definitely need to do a podcast

608
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: on that, right, because we're mixed up already.

609
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: To get it straight.

610
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: But at any rate, the long and short of it

611
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: is in Beckley Park? Was it Beckley Park?

612
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: I always say Bletchley?

613
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: Oh? It was there? An Ellen there?

614
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: I draw the whole ugly word out.

615
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: They basically had they could.

616
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: It was like reading the Nazis email essentially, like on

617
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: a daily basis, on an hourly basis, they knew exactly

618
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 2: what was going on, so they would know if they

619
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: were buying this whole thing as it happened in real time.

620
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: But even before that, they were able to craft this

621
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: this misinformation based on the Nazis assumption. So everybody wants

622
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: to hear that their assumptions that their beliefs are correct.

623
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

624
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: People are more apt to buy that things that confirm

625
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: their suspicions of their beliefs already. Right.

626
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hitler was worried about Sicily.

627
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: He was, so he already thought that Greece was going

628
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: to be where we invaded.

629
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

630
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: And then secondly he was he we knew that he

631
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: had heard rumors that Mussolini was going to be toppled soon,

632
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: so he was reticent to commit troops to Italy Sicily. Right.

633
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: So this this revelation that came in the form of

634
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: this letter, this false letter, completely supported everything that Hitler

635
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: and the Third Reich believed as far as this European

636
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: invasion was going to go. And we're able to do

637
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: that thanks to the smarties at Buttchley Park, right.

638
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this letter too is here's another little tidbit.

639
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: They put a single eyelash in the fold of the letter,

640
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: so they would know when they eventually got this letter back,

641
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: if there was no eyelash, they would know that the

642
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: Nazi said in fact opened it. And because the idea

643
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: was they would open it and reseal it and act

644
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: like we never saw it. But there wasn't that eyelash

645
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: and they'd know. So rudimentary, but it worked.

646
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so should we take another break. Let's take a.

647
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 4: Break as why sks?

648
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: Okay, So, Chuck, we are at sea aboard a submarine.

649
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: Chili down here and dark it is, and you're not

650
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: supposed to be smoking cigars. No you're not, despite Gene

651
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: Hackman doing it and Crimson died.

652
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a bad idea. So we're off the coast

653
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: of Spain. We're off the coast of Huevla. Not an

654
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: easy word to say, but it's important Spain. And again

655
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: this is where Nazi agent ate off Klaus.

656
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they kind of want to float the body right

657
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: up to this guy's backyard basically.

658
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 3: So they did. He was released from this canister. I

659
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: read somewhere else that the canister itself was fired on

660
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: with submar submachine guns on a sub so you could

661
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: just call the machine guns there. Yeah, and it was

662
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: sunk and the body drifted off toward Oh.

663
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: I thought they just dumped the body.

664
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure, because I found a book on

665
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 3: Google Books. It was like from two thousand and seven

666
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: and it was a history book, gotcha, And it made

667
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: it sound like the sub, the people working on the

668
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 3: sub all knew what was going on. But that's in

669
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: stark contrast to everything else who's seen. Yeah, so they

670
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: may or may not have sunk the weatherby who knows,

671
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: but either way, Major Martin was released into the current

672
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: that took him right to Huevla and he went. I

673
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: think he was found by a fisherman that same day.

674
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at this point the Brits started sending telegrams

675
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: about a very important missing person frantic. Yeah, like they

676
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 2: wanted these to get intercepted obviously, and that worked as well.

677
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: This is all really going exactly as they had planned.

678
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: So they sent the British Council in Spain in Huevla,

679
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: or in Spain to Huevla and said, you need this

680
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: is really important. You need to get your hands on

681
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: the briefcase, find out what happened to this guy and

682
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: get your hands on his briefcase.

683
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Klaus is going briefcase right hmm.

684
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: As Monocle popped out and the British Council in Spain

685
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: didn't even know what was going on. Yeah, they thought

686
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: like this is like they were. They saw everything from

687
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: the same aspect of reality that the Nazis saw. Need

688
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: to know basis exactly. So the British Council are trying

689
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: to get this briefcase kind of frantically, and the Spaniards

690
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 3: were like, uh, you know what, we are just going

691
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 3: to keep this on lockdown for now as we investigate

692
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: the whole thing. But we got it covered. Remember we're neutral,

693
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 3: so your briefcase is safe. The British consul said, well, okay,

694
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 3: one thing, this is very important. Uh, this guy was

695
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 3: Roman Catholic. You can check out the metal in his pocket. Yeah,

696
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 3: so please don't dissect him. It's against Roman Catholic beliefs

697
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: and traditions to dissect our autopsy body. I hadn't heard before,

698
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: but apparently in the forties that was the case, and

699
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 3: Spain was way down with that super Roman Catholic and said, oh, yes,

700
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: of course we won't do that. So apparently that's how

701
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 3: they got around the fact that Glendor hadn't died of pneumonia.

702
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

703
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: And the other way they got around it was they

704
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: had a plant in the office who talked to the

705
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: corners and was like, guys, it's hot and this body

706
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: is going to start riding real soon. So how thorough

707
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: do you really want to make this? And they said,

708
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: you're right, Let's go have some wine. Some what do

709
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: they call it over there?

710
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: Wine? No, what's the fruity sangria.

711
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go have some sangria and knock off early.

712
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened thanks to the plant. So

713
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: this is going on. There was a small wrinkle at

714
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: this point. The briefcase went to Madrid. Spain wasn't going

715
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: to hand it over to anyone, but the Brits were

716
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: trying to get it in the hands of the Nazis.

717
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: And they're actually having trouble getting it into the hands

718
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: of the Nazis until a guy named Carlo Koulantal, he

719
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: was Hitler's most trusted guy in Spain. He got wind

720
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: of it and kind of took over for Klaus. Was like,

721
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to get this briefcase, and he did. Nine

722
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: days later, after the body washed ashore, the letter ended

723
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: up in the hands of the German. The German, you know,

724
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: it worked his way.

725
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: Up the chain, Yeah, to Hitler himself.

726
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to Gebels first and Gebels, even in

727
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: his diary they found later had suspicions about it.

728
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because he was a corkscrew.

729
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 2: Thinker and he was like, wait a minute, this is

730
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: pretty convenient. Yeah, this is really fishy here. But he

731
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: apparently he never said anything to Hiller.

732
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: He got distracted.

733
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: He wrote about in his diary, but the documentary said

734
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: his thinking was, well, if Hitler believes it, then that's

735
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: good enough for me.

736
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 3: Huh, that seems like bad idea.

737
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

738
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: Homeboy Carlo Kuhlenthal, there was always a lot of speculation

739
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: on why he just ran with it and didn't ask

740
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: more questions because that was his job. And it turns

741
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: out his grandmother was Jewish and he was very paranoid

742
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: about this being found out.

743
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: So he thought, this is it.

744
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: I've come upon the greatest find of the war and

745
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 2: it's all mine. So yeah, no one will ask any

746
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: questions about me after this.

747
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: Huh. Wow, that worked out really really well.

748
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, very convenient.

749
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 3: And thanks to the Enigma machine they knew the Brits

750
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 3: knew pretty quickly that this was working. And I guess

751
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: Montague and Chumley sent Admiral God for you a transmission

752
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: that said Operation mince Meat swallowed Rod Bline and Sinker.

753
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that when the it's so cool seeing these old

754
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: like apparently you're not supposed to say elderly anymore, by

755
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: the way, we got an email. I knew that or seniors.

756
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: You're supposed to call them older adults.

757
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 3: Seniors. I didn't know that that was the thing.

758
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, older adults.

759
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: So they're interviewing these older adults, these British ladies that

760
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: are in their eighties now, and they were just all

761
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: so still excited, they said when they because you know,

762
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: with the Enigma machine, they were reading their emails and

763
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: they were like they knew they were buying it. They're

764
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: buying it, and everyone was just like flipped when that

765
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 2: came through the office. It was just like party time basically.

766
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: So the Operation mints Me really really worked really well,

767
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 3: so much so that apparently Hitler moved a panzer division,

768
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: which totals about ninety thousand troops from Sicily to Greece.

769
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and all the artillery and armaments and everything

770
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: not just soldiers, so.

771
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: Long Sicily were going to Greece, and then up came

772
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 3: the Allies through Sicily, one hundred and sixty thousand Allied

773
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: troops stormed sicily, and only seven thousand lives were lost,

774
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 3: which is still a lot of people who died. But apparently,

775
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: as far as military historians are concerned, and I think

776
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: the military at the time, that was a way fewer

777
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: lives lost than they expected had they had Hitler not

778
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 3: swallowed Operation mince Me.

779
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they expect did ten thousand casualties in the first

780
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: three days and three hundred boats sunk in the first

781
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: two days, and it ended up being fourteen hundred in

782
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: that first week soldiers and about a dozen ships in

783
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: that first week, So that's not bad.

784
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

785
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: And not only that, but it had another effect.

786
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 3: Big one the Soviets. Yeah. So this is not something

787
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: that they teach in American history classes in US high

788
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: schools that much. The Operation Husky, it was that penetration

789
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: of Europe's under belly, right, Yeah. And suddenly Hitler said,

790
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: I'm about to storm Russia, but I really need these

791
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: troops down here in Europe because I got big problems. Yeah.

792
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: And that allowed basically Russia to topple the Nazi regime.

793
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: And Mussolini get toppled by the Brits.

794
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

795
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: It completely changed the face of the war. Yeah, this

796
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: one idea cooked up by me and Fleming in part.

797
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy?

798
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 3: It's pretty awesome. Other stuff, there's a book called Operation

799
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: mince Meat by a guy named Brett McIntyre. All right,

800
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 3: it came out in twenty ten. That's a very good,

801
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: well cited book that we inadvertently cited here there. And

802
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: then there's The Man Who Never Was, which was written

803
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 3: by you and Montague, which is not just about Operation

804
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 3: mince Meat but also about basically how to carry out

805
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: deception plans.

806
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: All right.

807
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: Remember earlier when I said, don't feel too bad for Glendor, Michael, Yes,

808
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: even you said, well, the dude died, possibly of suicide

809
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: because he was penniless and going nowhere.

810
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I feel bad about that.

811
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: But fifty years after he was buried, in nineteen ninety seven,

812
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 2: the British government added they basically buried him with military honors.

813
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: The Spanish did, oh this.

814
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was buried in Spain, but the British it

815
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: came from the Brits, I think to do so.

816
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 3: His headstone came from the Brits. But the Spanish buried

817
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 3: him with like the twenty one gun salute and everything.

818
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, says Glendor Michael served as Major William Martin, r M.

819
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: Royal Marine.

820
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: Pretty cool.

821
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this.

822
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: Alcoholic drifter who never served in the military, never served

823
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: in the military, buried with full military honors. Yeah, and

824
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: completely changed the face of the war thanks to being

825
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 2: a body.

826
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that fit the fit the bill.

827
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 3: And if you like ghoulish photos, is a very famous

828
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: photo of him being propped up in his life jacket

829
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: and uniform as they were basically loading him into the

830
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: cylinder that you can see by searching. I'm sure Major

831
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: Charles Martin, that's right, Charles Martin. No, William Martin, William Martin,

832
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 3: something like that.

833
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: I still want to know what was going on with

834
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: that weird role playing there with the dude.

835
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 3: That's odd.

836
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: Dyll and Pam Yeah.

837
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they interviewed the lady and she was just like.

838
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: Oh, it was all very exciting.

839
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great British lady accent older person, yeah yeah,

840
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: older adulder adult yeah yeah, boldie. If you want to

841
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: get or no, if you want to know more about

842
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: Operation Mincemeat, just type that word into your favorite search

843
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: engine or go check out the stuff you missed in

844
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: History Class episode and I said, stuff you missed in

845
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: history class. It's time for listener mail.

846
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this bread crust.

847
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: We had that discussion about the crust and the n pieces,

848
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: So this is.

849
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: From a dad.

850
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: Dear Chuck and Josh, your discussion of the inslice of

851
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: bread and the body language episode brought a ridiculous grin

852
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: to my face as I walked around my neighborhood. Don't worry, though,

853
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: my neighbors have thought me to be eccentric for years. Now,

854
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 2: look at that guy smiling.

855
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: What a weirdo. We must be a pinko.

856
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: When our daughters were still tiny, my wife and I

857
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: realized we were doomed to eighteenish years of eating bread

858
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: crust pieces ourselves if we.

859
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: Didn't figure something out and quickly our solution.

860
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: We started calling those pieces the lucky piece, and boy

861
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: did we rook our innocent, trusting toddlers. Turns out your

862
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: supposition is correct, Juck. At least for children under eleven

863
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: years old, even if they're honor students, is mine where

864
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 2: they will fight you for the right to eat that savory,

865
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: oh soo desirable piece of luck.

866
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 3: Nice idea younger adults.

867
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: Rock on, guys, and please keep my goofy grins coming.

868
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: That is from Ted sEH, I n e with a little.

869
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 3: Quin a coin a coiny?

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00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: Is that an accent a doo? No, I don't know.

871
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 3: I didn't take French legom.

872
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: What do you call that a lagom accent lagom?

873
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 4: Yeah?

874
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: So thanks Ted, I'll just call you coin.

875
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Ted quin que.

876
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 3: Let's say coin there. Yeah, thanks a lot, ted. Ted

877
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: contacted us on Twitter, so he wanted to send us

878
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 3: this email. So there you go, Ted.

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