WEBVTT - Joakim Noah | D-Rose & Bulls Run, Current NBA, NCAA Titles, Squashing Beef | EP 41 | KG Certified 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.240 So look today we got Jokim now coming in here 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:04.960 on KG certify them Gas. It'll be good to conversate 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.760 and catch up with your stay tuned. 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.080 I'm really happy to be here on the KG show. 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:19.160 You know, uh, the demographic that we're targeted for sure, 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:23.720 I might call this soft. There's nothing soft about facing 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:25.880 your ship, you know what I mean. So I'm really 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.920 excited to be here and uh talk to KG. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:31.800 I start KG Certified to have a platform to be 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.879 able to bring not only young players, older players, players 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.040 that you know built the built the game, so on 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.920 and so on, but I built it for a platform 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.760 of conversation. So you know, it's dope that we can 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.240 actually go back to this time or the times where 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.120 we played each other or a battle or whatever you 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.120 want to call it, and be able to talk about it. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.000 So you know, it's it's dope to have a platform 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:52.400 to be to bring the guys over here and do 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:52.800 just that. 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:53.840 So that's what we're gonna do that. 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.040 I only know KG from the Court. I don't know 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.480 KG from the Court, So I'm excited for this. You 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:03.000 know war you know Ultimate Warrior and uh, you know 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.280 he got that chip. Nobody really like competing against this guy. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.160 But I loved it. 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.360 It was It definitely made me stronger, and that's why 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:12.320 I'm here today. 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.920 In the art of competition. That's what it is. So 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.800 you know, I think that I think that he understood 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.080 where we were. I made it very plain and simple 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.920 where we were in the art of competition. But yeah, 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.000 I'm I'm probably apologized during the day because you know, 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.360 I'm never here to kill someone's spirit. I'm never here 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.680 to kill someone's a fan appreciation of why. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.480 You were fans. You know, fans make the game. I 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:34.200 really believe that. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.840 You know what I'm saying, fans, I'm fans of people. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:38.520 You know what I'm saying. I'm fans of sports. I'm 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.959 fans of other athletes. So, you know, to kill his 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:42.560 bob and all that, you know. But then I want 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.960 to ask no question, like in a sense of what 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:46.880 you want to what he asked me, which was what 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:48.760 moved that show? Like what did you want me to do? 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:50.640 You want me to stop the game and actually show 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:54.960 you what move like? So yeah, but and all in all, 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.640 Joe Kim was he was young, energy, he played hard, 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.880 I respected and when we played he was a force, 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:02.360 you know, he made his teams better. 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:04.600 So yeah, it'd be dope to have a man to day. 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.360 It's important to speak your truth, you know, and you 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.480 know we have an opportunity more than ever now to 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.920 to do it our way. So I think that's important. 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.160 You know, as as competitors out there on the court. 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.079 Sometimes you know you don't have time for that. It's 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.280 not about content. You know, you're trying to get w's 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.480 that's all it is. So now we can look back 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:28.440 at the body of work and uh and really you know. 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:29.440 Put our minds to it. 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.160 How you doing, you're doing you're thinking it's good man, 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.000 I'm good man, no complaints. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.600 First I wanted to show you is the move I 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.200 caught it face. 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.120 I think mental right, just like the boom you go 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.320 forward right under lage. That's the move. 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:50.160 That's what happened. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:50.760 That's the move. 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:52.920 When that happened, come back down. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.320 It was like ages ago, like when like eighteen sixty 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:00.359 four BC, I hit you with that move back then 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.120 when to that side on the fire you asked me, 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:03.560 what's up to get off my dig? 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:08.400 That's how we wow. You see, that's how you did it. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:13.400 That's that's your story, that's your okay, let me see it. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:14.720 Okay, tell me from your perspective. 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.239 What did you see? A. First of all, it wasn't 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.000 light like that, you know, but it was sweet like that. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.600 No, you was catching the rock. Ha, I'm in your 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.720 ship ha. Nothing nothing l like Okay. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.079 Then you know that knee started hurting at the end. 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.120 Oh you had an ailment. Okay, you're oh yeah, yeah, 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.760 yeah yeah remember yeah yeah. So when I was catching 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:42.560 at the elbow back, yeah, I'm dancing. Okay, that's what 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:43.080 I remember. 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.320 Okay. So obviously we had two perspectives of this whole thing, 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.200 as as I can recall. I had to give you mine, 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.800 right because everybody was like, yo, what's the movie talking about? 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.960 So that was the move. Come sit down, man, let's 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:56.080 let's do it. 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.280 This is the moment of generosity. Thank you for coming on. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.320 KG certified. I appreciate you, Bro, appreciate you man him 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.800 man real yeah special yeah mm hmm. 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:12.000 I'm happy we did this. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.200 Not real shit, it's needed, you know what I'm saying. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.560 But no, no, at the end of the day, just 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.680 what you were talking about, you know, don't feel bad 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:22.120 about it. 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:26.400 At the end of the day, that moment made me 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.720 a better fucking player, No doubt I needed it. 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:32.559 No, I'm telling you from a character standpoint, I get it. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.719 It was on the court whatever, and it was competition, 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.920 but from a big bro ship like, yeah, if I 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.160 if I can change well, I was, I don't want 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.240 to say this, but yeah, if I can change anything 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.360 about myself back then, I wouldn't have been so man. 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:49.000 I was so fucking locked in, man, and I'm I'm 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.880 trained so differently just to get to a point where 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.280 it was like kill or be killed and it wasn't 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.400 nothing in between. So when I would you know, it's 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.400 what it is, you know what I'm saying. And when 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.920 I heard that man fuck with me, I was like, damn, Bros. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.240 Bro was a bro fuck with me? Like oh Man, 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.240 I'm like, oh man, I'm gonna have to apologize to Bro. 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:08.560 Man. 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:10.440 That's that's you know what I'm saying. But then I 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:12.919 know two, you go through those life lessons man, and 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:14.720 were not chopped before, you know what I'm saying, before 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.000 all this and ship man, it's good to it's good. 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.720 It's good to come into a platform be peace and uh, 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.839 you know, and chop. I gotta ask you, bro, Bro, 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.159 you shoot this monf for like this, Bro, I saw 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:26.800 you shut. 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:27.160 The free though. 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.200 Bro, when you get from when you get this, where 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:30.039 you get the joint from? 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:35.080 Give me on your all. After that playoff series, so 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.760 we come back to Boston. I remember I had like 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:38.480 four of. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.479 The word and I was like, I gotta jumping up, 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:46.920 but you shoot that motherfucker. Listen, listen to the ball, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.840 y'all supposed to go twelve to six. It's supposed to 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.599 spind like this. It's not supposed to go three to 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:54.880 three to nine, three to three to nine, and I 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:56.760 got it right here. It's not supposed to go like this. 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:57.560 Joke. 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.880 You the only nigga I know to take that take. 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:01.680 I don't even know what this is. I got to 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:03.960 consult with rich Gray and figure out what the axle 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:08.240 of the ship. But nigga shot the ball sideways? 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:09.120 How you do? 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.320 How you doing three to nine on the twelve to six? 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.800 I don't even know what to say. All I know 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.640 is when that ship went in, though devastated, I. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.320 Was like, yo, it did haven't stated he was doing 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:20.800 it like this. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:21.920 I was hit him with that. 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.440 He was doing nothing. He was doing all this shit 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.360 like man. So I looked at Rondo because every time 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:28.880 I had a problem or I had an issue with you, 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.960 I would go to Rondo a baby and then and 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.279 don't be like, man, he been working on the ship. Man, 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.920 he don't shoot that ship. I was like, well he 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.120 not hit fort these motherfuckers, like, yeah, you might have 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.039 to get up on that ship. Man, ain't getting up 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.280 on that ship. After you hit three, then you hit 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.680 the third one, you went, you know, let me get 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.760 up on this ship. Fuck out here bashed with the bulls. 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:51.000 Man. 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:52.400 I love everything you've been doing. 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:56.200 Man, Yeah we're working. We're working hard. Man. You know, purpose, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:07:02.240 purpose is strong, that's everything too is. But I appreciate 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:05.880 you taking the time, you know and doing this is real. 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:06.479 I was. 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.840 I was excited to do this because I don't think, 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.720 at least for me, I haven't seen individuals that battle 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.720 came back and have conversation. What a lot of people 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.040 don't know is that me and you and I had 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.320 a conversation since all of that right there, right. I 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.640 like to call it antics. I like to call it leverage. 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.360 You know, when you're playing each other, you studying each other, 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.920 you're trying to figure each other out. You know, you 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:31.560 know you was no different from that, you know what 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.240 I'm saying. I talked to Doc Rivers and uh Rajon 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.720 Rondo and Big Baby. I think Big Baby and Region 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.679 had actually played against you, either in college or whatever 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:44.560 the situation was, and you know, it was more of 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.160 a it was more of a conversation of what to 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.600 expect from you. And then when I played you, it 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.120 was a different experience. It was more talkative. I could 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.520 tell right away your IQ was different. You had a 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.560 different vibration. I could see you gathering the rest of 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.880 the guys. So all the stuff that they was giving 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:03.640 me was totally inaccurate. So that's why not to say 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:05.320 I seen you as a threat or nothing like that. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:10.120 And I never anticipated or or uh meant for that 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.600 to become off like it was light. Anything we did 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:14.600 was always at a high volume. We battled at a 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.559 high value, both mentally and physically, you know what I'm saying. 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.760 At the same time, too, when when when when I'm 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.280 when I'm competing, just like when you competing, or at 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.760 least it felt like this you hit destroyed. I'm here, 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.880 I'm here to like create doubt. That's that's that's one 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.880 of my things. Like I was trying to destroy your will, 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.599 but never in another in another stratus. For what I 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.360 ever thought that you was a fan of mine. So 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.640 you know, I come today and I say, I apologize 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.840 for killing that light and because I'm because I take 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:47.320 a lot of pride in being a big brother to 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.080 all the young guys. You know what I'm saying that. 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.240 But in the form of where we were in competing, 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:54.240 that's what it was, and I understood it coming from 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.000 you too, but I just wanted you to know I 0:08:56.040 --> 0:09:00.199 recognized your genius. I saw it, I respected it, and yeah, 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.200 we battle, bro and it was nothing like that mental 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.240 play because although you could see the physicals, you could 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.800 see the little whatever's answers, but it was a whole mental, 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.200 mental part of the game being played in front of 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.280 everybody's eyes, and it was over everybody's head. So you 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:15.679 know what I'm saying, take it takes a real wind 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.960 to play that game, you know what I'm saying. Which 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.600 that which was leads to my first question with you 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.600 was was, No, I don't hear a lot about like 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.080 your makeup or excuse me, your early beginnings. Could you 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.360 take me to your early beginnings. I didn't know you 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:30.360 you from New York. 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:31.280 Yeah, I'm from New York. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:32.400 We're part of New York are Front. 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.400 I'm from Hell's Kitchen, so midtown Manhattan. Yeah, I played 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.880 a lot of tournaments uptown. I think playing in New 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.520 York definitely like shape me. You know, my first year 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.360 at Florida, I didn't play a lot and that was 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.480 tough for me. So a lot of my homies uptown 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:50.800 were like, yo, you gotta come and play in these 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:55.079 street ball tournaments. So playing that Kingdome, playing at Rucker Park, 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:59.840 shout out Roscoe Biggers, shout out a mass voice of 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:02.640 you know on the mic. So it was just like 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:06.439 for me, I think that that really shaped me. If 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.040 it wasn't for playing with in those street tournaments, I 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:10.920 don't think I would have been the player that I was. 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.319 But before we even go any further, I just want 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:18.000 to say, you know, this is this is a really 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.040 special moment. I was like talking to some of my 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:24.120 vets before I came on here, and you know, I 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:28.240 realized that everybody had something to say and for me. 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.880 I'm doing this for me right now, this is not 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:35.080 for this, not for anybody else. And being able to 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.800 talk to somebody that I grew up, you know, really, 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:40.640 you know, admiring on the court, just the. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.199 Way you competed really shape my game. 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.200 So uh, you know, I hear a lot of people 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.760 like talking about you know, the moments when we were 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.680 talking ship, when you were talking shit, and and you 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.960 know that that moment right there, it turned me into 0:10:57.960 --> 0:10:59.640 an animal on the court. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.199 It made me definitely made me stronger. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:02.520 You know. 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.720 I remember you Hinge shooting. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:09.160 That turnaround silver spoon ass nigga, you know, and you 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.320 know I used to hear that from everybody, and that 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.560 was another reason why I had to, you know, go 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.960 even harder because I always had that that thing to 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:22.240 prove because you know, Pops was a tennis player. So 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.000 you know, I think that it made me who I am. 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.040 And that's why today, right now, this moment right here 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.480 is for nobody else but for me to be able 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.640 to talk about this because you know, the demographics I'm 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:40.359 trying to, you know, reach to might call this shit soft. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.160 And there's nothing soft about facing your past, you know 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:43.600 what I mean. 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.079 So I'm proud of this. That's what sup man, That's 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.040 what help. And I want you to know, man, just 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.320 from growth, gotta go through those hard moments. Gotta go 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.720 through those moments to where it does something to you 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.160 and you and you're stimulated off of it. You know, 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.480 I think today's game, or at least it looks like 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.080 you know, things have to have a worth. And you know, 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:05.840 I don't care what you get paid. Once you get 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.160 in between those lines. It's about winning and losing. No 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.120 no one wants to be on the other end of losing, 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.080 you know what I'm saying. So I like to think 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.599 that you know, still sharp and still you know what 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.920 I'm saying, And if it wasn't gonna be me, it's 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.360 gonna be somebody, you know what I'm saying. And then 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.439 I like to think that whatever you took from this, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.600 you took and you actually dominated something else or you 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.480 dealt with something else, And that's what this is. Somebody, 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.280 our our our ready, our interaction and what we had. 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.720 I had one when I was younger and then shaped 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.040 me to the to the competitor and the person I was. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.040 And that's what I want to be known for it 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.800 straight up, man, When all this gets stripped down of 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.640 its purity and you at your baar and you're erected 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.640 and you like, Hi, Yeah, That's what I'm talking about. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:51.640 So at the end of the day, I wanted to 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.880 be labeled something, and I wanted to be known for 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.960 a certain style. And I really believe still sharp and 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.040 still you know what I'm saying. Talk about a little 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:00.960 bit about what you learn from your father being a 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:01.680 tennis player. 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.240 Well he was competitive as hell too, you know, so 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:07.920 in a different time too, right, in a different time. 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.640 You know, he was playing in a white sport. You know, 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.880 he was the only black guy. And today this year 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.240 is his forty years since he won the French Open. 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:19.880 So a lot of people say, you know, he pops 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:21.400 shout out to Yannick, you. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.920 Know, doing his thing, still doing a lot of stuff 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:26.600 with the kids in Africa, you. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.920 Know, building building, building, building, you know. 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.320 But as a tennis player, you know, people always said, 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.520 you know, oh it's the last it's been forty years 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.040 since the Frenchman won, you know, the French Open. But 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:42.120 people don't realize that. You know, he came from Africa 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:44.880 and he left home. 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:46.760 He left he left Cameroon when. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:50.800 He was eleven years old to go to so Arthur 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:54.840 Ashwll saw him play in Africa, gave him a scholarship 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:59.679 in an academy, and you know, but people don't realize 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.880 the rifices that you have to make at an early 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:05.000 age to have a shot to be called champ. 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:05.360 You know. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.240 So I was blessed to be able to see that 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.800 work ethic and the work. 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:11.520 That goes into it. 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:12.160 You know. 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.240 I think that even though my parents were weren't together, 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:20.080 just seeing seeing the work ethic, and it's just like 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:23.000 it's not just practice, it's it's a way of life, 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:24.280 you know what I'm saying. 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.800 So that's what I learned from my pops. That's dope, man, 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:28.600 that's dope. Now, can you play tennis? 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.760 I can't play tenna, I can't. But unlivable though, you 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.000 can't lie me right. 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.680 Yeah, yeah, a dull right right? But if if you can, 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:39.360 you can return. You can get you can you get 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:40.440 you can you can get into it like. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:41.720 A little eye, you got a little hand. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:43.520 No, I'm just sure like you can. We can go 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.440 into exchange like you can carry an exchange, like you 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:46.440 can hit back and know all that. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.440 Yeah, I'll fuck you up with that ship for sure. 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.560 No, No, you'll fuck me up. You fuck me up 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.040 in you know what I'm saying. I'm super competitive. You 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.120 can't live me either, you know what I'm saying. And 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.200 I got shipped back here and all that. But I can, 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.240 I can, I can lie. I can rally a little bit, 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:02.880 you know what I'm saying, if I get the right rhythm. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.480 You know, to marbles from the Hoodicine Valley, you need 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.000 a marble who know how to hit the ball back? 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:11.800 You know what I mean? You feel me? But show 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.360 me that fourhanded you track? You see how that you 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.960 see how that ship was coming over your son? Like 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:19.840 I was like, what's my technique on that? Do I 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.400 even I didn't know that John Jay Lucas. I didn't 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.640 know Jay Lucas was a real tennis player like be 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:28.160 Andy Roddick, like was in it and just chose basketball. 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:30.960 Was that hard for you? Knowing that your father and 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.840 probably was passionate fuck about tennis and actually actually like 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.120 laid the groundwork for if you want to go there route? 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:37.880 Was it hard? 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.680 Was it hard for you to go for basketball to tennis? 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.160 Or was basketball like your calling? 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.120 I was born in New York, and you know my 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:49.840 pops used to His agent represented Patrick Ewing, Oh okay, 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:54.600 his agent Patrick His agent also represented Donald Shild Donald 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.240 Dell representing Michael in the beginning as well Michael Jordan. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:02.120 So you know, I was to be around basketball at 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:03.600 a young age. So I used to go to the 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.760 garden and see the love that it got. And you 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.680 know when I saw that energy, basketball is like a 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.880 religion in New York back So for me, it was 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.520 like I didn't like people comparing me at an early 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.040 age all that stuff. So basketball was just kind of, 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:23.280 you know, my sanctuary and my peace of mind. And 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.920 you know, there wasn't no comparison or anything like that. 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.160 But I learned a lot from from my pops work ethic. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.080 It doesn't matter what sport, but it definitely shaped me 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.040 into the player that I became. 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:38.240 Who do you credit for your basketball knowledge? In your build? 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:40.840 And I know it's I know, you got to have 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.160 a coach somewhere, especially in your early days when you 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.760 go into high school, you're not in college yet. Who's 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.360 your who's your coach? First time I got to ask 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:49.800 you the Riverside. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.320 Now, I was Long Island Panthers. 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:53.760 All the way left. 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.560 Yeah, you would gets the establishment exactly. 0:16:58.120 --> 0:16:59.960 But we had a squad though it was like Charlie 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.120 Fell in the waiver, Uh, you know, we had. 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:05.280 Lenny Cook. 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.760 Lenny Cook. Shout to Charlie V too, yo, because many 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:11.600 who else was on that team. 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:12.600 Uh. 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.440 We had Day on Merit doing a lot of good 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.520 ship with the kids out there in New York. Shout 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.119 out Day on merrit. We had a guy called Cameron too. 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:22.879 He was nice. 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.119 No, we had we had a squad. We had a 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.240 squad Long Island Panthers. I had a coach called mister Green. 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.719 He worked security at a b c D camp, so 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.560 he used to take me with. I used to go 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.320 with him to a b C D. I wasn't playing, 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.720 but I could watch everything. I saw Lenny play against Lebron, 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.400 and Lebron won that matchup. That ship hurt from the beginning, man, 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.119 it was. It was tough from the beginning because Lenny 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:47.960 was my guy. 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:49.760 And Lenny's real too. 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.280 Yo. He had a real game, real game. 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:53.840 So he was the number one player in the country. 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.640 You know, we're playing in all these street ball tournaments. 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.639 I'm living with mister Green in the summer because my 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.159 pop was always I didn't live with my father, so 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:04.560 he was always like, yo, come in the summer, Like 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.120 come hang with me in the summer with chill, go 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.040 to Saint Bars, go on all these cool places. And 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.240 mister Green is like, look, if you want to get 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:14.159 if you want to get good at this basketball, then 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.399 you got to stay with me. So I used to 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.040 stay in his house and Flushing, stay on his couch 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.359 all summer, and you know, playing in all these street 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:26.199 ball tournaments. Man, for real, that's what shape me. You know, 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.000 I came into New York. I came to New York. 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:32.639 I was speaking English like this with an accent. So 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:34.920 you could imagine being like a twelve year old kid. 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.400 You're playing with all inner city kids, playing with Lenny. 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:38.920 All these guys. 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.760 I would never get in the game, never, but I 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:45.680 would just watch them, watch what I should do, watch 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:46.399 what I can't do. 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.679 And you soaking up, you soaking up culture, you soaking 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.800 up New York. Listen, if you ever talked to a 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.640 New Yorker straight up. I met Ray Kwan one time. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.639 Y'all thought I was a nigga from the hood, almost 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:02.000 talking to me at law me probably like that sentence too, 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.719 and he was talking God and he was you know, 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.280 you know, real respect to the guard too. You know 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.680 what I'm saying, shout to Ray Kwan. But I'm imagine 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:11.920 you soaking up all this New York verbiage and all 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:16.119 this right right for real, So you're picking up on slang, 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:17.760 how to do, how not to do? 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:19.880 What today's mathematics knowledge. 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:24.800 God, you know I love Ray Kwan two. So no, 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.320 but New York, New York, man, I mean there's nothing. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.879 The culture out there is just it's on another level. 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:32.800 So that's and you know. 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.600 Being able to play all these street ball tournaments, that's 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:37.160 a blessing. 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:37.879 You know. 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.920 You look at Chicago. You know, we're doing a lot 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.359 of work in Chicago with the kids and stuff, but 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.760 they can't even do that no more. They taking the playground, 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.800 they taking the rims off the playgrounds and all that stuff. 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:54.639 So just to have a basketball streetball culture, you know, DJs, 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:56.359 DJs people on. 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.360 The mic while you're playing in the trees. 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.440 I played in New Yo. Like I'm a journeyman too. 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:02.600 Bro. 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:04.520 One of my my favorite things you should do is 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.840 go play everywhere West fourth Rock, one hundred and fifty fifth, 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:12.760 Dykman Basketball City, downtown, right where else they playing that? 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.440 Because I won't to say, man I Gordon Malone took 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.040 me to Brownsville, never ran never will you know what 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.520 I'm saying, Like, man, Steff, take me to Coney Island. 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.439 I'm playing in the garden over there. Man, you hear me, 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:25.960 You hear what I'm saying. I hear exactly what you can. Badgers, bro, 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:28.880 you get them Badgers. The Badgers make you straight up. 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:30.640 You got a favorite place to play in New York? 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:31.400 Let me hear your park. 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:37.080 My favorite part was Kingdome west of Kingdom Uptown, right 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:40.000 in the middle of the projects. And after I didn't 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:45.800 play my freshman year in college. I remember my homie Roscoe. 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.440 He was like, Yo, you gotta play in these tournaments. 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:49.800 Be this shit's gonna get you right. 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:53.879 So I remember playing at Kingdome, voice of Harlem on them, 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:57.040 like doing all this shit, Like what you're gonna do? 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.520 What you're gonna do? You know what I mean? Everybody's 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.880 smoking ones everywhere. You know what I mean. It's hostile. 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:03.640 I love it. 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.120 It's hostile. You need that environment. So now I'm I'm 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:09.560 in there. Next thing, you know, I'm grabbing the rebound. 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.639 Wow, I'm not passing it to the guard. I'm bringing 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:15.640 up myself a button. Mad as hell. 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:18.120 Adrian looking at me like, yo, pass me the fucking 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:19.119 round on the point guard. 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:21.240 But you know I used to like to get the 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.199 rebound and bring that ship up myself. I got the 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.879 whole crowd going crazy. That shit really got me hyped. 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:28.000 You know. 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.280 I didn't come from that environment, but to be able 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:32.640 to play in that when I came back the next year, 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.040 we end up winning the CHIP, getting the MVP. 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:37.560 But it got me. 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:41.680 Right Florida, right, why University of Florida. I love coach 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:42.320 Donovan man. 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.280 Oh yeah, you know, shut the coach Donovan. 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.880 Man out Coach Donovan. Do you know the Irish dudes 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.400 they got something. There's something in the water over there. 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:51.159 You know. 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:56.080 They they different but work at the crazy IQ. And 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.159 you know what what I loved about Coach Donovan is 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:01.560 he used to do our individuals himself. 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.880 Okay, you know what I mean. So y'all going through all, Okay, 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.680 he jumping in there, jumping in there, he's starting, he's 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:11.320 retiring to work out. He was like, I got the 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.159 whole thing planned out. So I knew there was not 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:14.600 a lot. 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:18.560 Of coaches that would that would do the individuals, you know, 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:20.080 so that was big. 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.520 That's huge too, and that's growth and it gives you 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:25.480 confidence and continuity because now you know what he's thinking 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:27.000 and what he's probably expecting. 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:27.840 From you, right exactly. You know. 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:29.520 The one of the things I watched you when you 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:32.200 was in Florida. Uh, Like I said, I can't remember 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.320 the first year, but your second year was so adamant, 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:38.240 just how you and Al I forget. I know Corey 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:40.560 Brewers on that squad too, and y'all had another guard 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:42.919 or something, Toryan Green. Yeah, I'm going blank on all 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:46.840 your names, but watched the continuity man. Torian Green was 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:49.199 on that jo I'm watching. I'm watching y'all continuity and 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:51.840 just to passing the Big Man, the Big Man and 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:55.359 y'all looked like y'all have been together forever. You know 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:55.800 what I'm saying. 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.960 Talk about that team at Florida and what made y'all special. 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:02.720 I think we loved being in the gym, you know. 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:08.240 I remember I came into school, I had my two bags, 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:12.800 and I met my college teammates in the gym right away. 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:15.760 We're checking up one on one. I'm like, Okay, you 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:18.240 know this is going to be good because we were 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:20.200 in the lab. We were in the lab and we 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:24.560 lived together that class just lived together, so you know, 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.000 and the good thing was same shit. 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:28.280 Coach Donald was like, yo. 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:30.960 If you get the rebound, he didn't let the point 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:32.160 guard come back and get the rock. 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.280 So now we you know, well that. 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:37.600 Yeah, and then you know what, we were playing all summer, 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:38.960 so we were like as freshmen. 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:40.359 We were coming and we were playing. 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:44.520 Against you know, David Lee, Matt Walsh, Anthony Roberson, and 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:46.320 you know, we were competing with those guys. 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:50.480 We were busting the ass. Actually, but that's another that's 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:52.960 another story. But it was good. You know what I'm saying. 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:53.679 We were on it. 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.240 We were on it and from the beginning and then 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.480 after the second year we won the chip. We had 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:01.840 so much fun playing together. You know what I'm saying 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:05.640 that we did it again. That was crazy. 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.280 When did you start to think about the league? When 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:09.840 did you start? 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:13.800 For me, it happened later. It happened later. So it 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:16.120 wasn't until after we won that first chip. 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:18.840 That people were like, okay, Joe, you can you know 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:20.840 you're probably going to be a top three pick. 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:22.160 It's time for you to go. 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:26.639 But you know, I wasn't too worried about I didn't 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.720 have to worry about you know, taking care of moms, 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:31.120 taking care of pops. 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:35.280 I knew they were all right. So when when Corey, 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:39.040 Corey's situation was a little bit different, and when Corey was. 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:40.679 Like, Yo, let's go back to school, Let's let's do 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:43.560 this shit again, like we just we're having too much fun. 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:45.080 You know, the league can wait. 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:48.119 And I know that's a that's a rare position to 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:50.040 be in, you know, especially when we had we had 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:54.240 opportunities to go get some money right there, and and 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:57.560 when Corey said that, we all decided to come back, 0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:02.360 and you know, it's I'll never forget those moments, those memories, 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:07.280 you know, just the competition, being able to win trophy, bring. 0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:09.600 It back to school. It was wild. 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:11.399 Man, have the bulls out in your back? Did it 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:12.000 feel different? 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:12.680 It did. 0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:17.560 It wasn't as fun to me, you know. The expectations 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.640 sometimes were heavy, because you know, when you have when 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:23.080 you're in the league, you know you can protect yourself 0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:26.320 being a little bit outside. You have your money, you know, 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:28.560 you take your care of your family. But when you're 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:30.920 in college, you know, we living in the dorm, so 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:33.439 you got people coming at you from everywhere. 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:37.119 So that was that was a lot at times. 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:39.800 Yeah, y'all had no like shelter or nothing, nobody to 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:42.280 kind of protect you from that. But then y'all students, 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.160 y'all in every day, every day hustle and bustle. 0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:47.359 Right, I mean yeah, but you got the students knocking 0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:50.320 on the doors, you got students waiting outside your dorm. 0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:54.440 You know you're not protected. We lived, We lit as hell, 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:56.720 so it was it was fire though it was fire. 0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:58.560 Are you following all the NIL stuff? 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:02.040 Bro? The N I l shit, not really, to be honest, 0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:04.600 but I'm had for college. Huh. 0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:06.040 I said she was doing for college. 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:07.200 I think it's good. 0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:09.000 I said, you fuck with it? No? 0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:14.200 Uh, you know, you know college was a great time. 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:17.879 When I look at it, you look at how much 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:20.920 how much money this shit is generating, you know what 0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:23.880 I mean? The annihilists just kind of putting a band 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:24.480 aid on it. 0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:25.920 But the reality is. 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:31.440 This tournament is generating billions of dollars and kids aren't 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:37.320 getting paid on it. So the NIL is a good start, 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:39.280 but to me, it should be more. 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:40.520 You know what I mean? 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:45.240 Are these players employees? These players the players start are 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:49.719 playing in college swimming, softball, baseball, basketball, football, track, whatever 0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:54.960 you're doing stickball, goddamn whatever. Would you consider that an employee, 0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:57.840 not just a player, but an employee. They're working, they're 0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:02.880 working for well, yeah. 0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:04.920 One hundred. Everybody need everybody who's generating some bread needs 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:06.960 to get paid. I think that's just that's just fair. 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:11.359 Yeah, that's the standard to me, standard. Right. Yeah, But 0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:14.639 they call them players and don't call them employees. They 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:18.919 would not label them that. You think players. Do you 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.960 think the nil would hurt players in any way from 0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:25.200 their determination and wanting them to get to the next level. 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.080 I mean, it shouldn't. It shouldn't. 0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:30.680 They might. 0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:33.040 I mean I've seen them many times. 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.760 Like people get contracts, people get money, It makes them 0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:39.119 sawce sometimes all back fall back. It depends on the 0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:41.840 person's personality, you know what I mean, And what's going 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:43.960 on with that person too, right, Yeah, Like you just 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.240 said your situation was different for court bro. He probably 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:47.840 have to do things a little different because of his 0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:51.480 situation exactly. But now it's taking you away from the 0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:56.960 important shit, and that's putting that block word, elbow word, shooting. 0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:58.240 Being in the court, being on the court. 0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:01.520 Yeah, I actually said, man being a friend was talking 0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:05.320 and uh, he asked me, he said, you think giving 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.640 guys bread at an early age is a bad thing. 0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:11.320 And I was like, you know, we all are different, 0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.159 you know, and I didn't want to generalize, but I 0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:14.639 was like, I don't think it's a bad thing for 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.480 someone like you. Think of kids that you know, a 0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:18.800 middle class and don't have that, you know, struggle and 0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:21.240 no shit like that. They still got, you know, come 0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:22.880 out great people. They still out, you know, come out 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:25.040 with professionals and stuff. So it's not a bad thing. 0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:27.600 But I understood what he was saying, does it not 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:31.720 give them them instead of anymore? So I was like, nah, listen, 0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:34.280 I always say, man, if you really want to see 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.960 if someone loves something, give them everything, give them a 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:38.920 boat load of money, see if they still work hard. 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:41.560 Because I'm telling you, once you get in between them lines, man, 0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.400 don't nobody give a fuck about what you made. If 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.120 anything's a bigger target on, you're bad right. 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.000 That thousand a thousand percent. 0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:53.440 But that being said, you know it's big business. You know, 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:55.960 that's why you play hard. You know, you work your 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.120 ass off to be able to be in those positions. 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:00.800 You know, we bless this games giving us a lot. 0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:04.960 But for sure, I mean I think if if kids 0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:07.040 have opportunities to make money, they should make as much 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:07.600 as they camp. 0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:08.920 For sure, that's what it's all about. 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:14.080 I believe that too. So, you know, it's crazy hearing 0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:18.880 you talk about New York. You know, I lived in 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:21.640 Chicago for some time, came out of high school there. 0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:24.160 When you when I hear you talk about New York, 0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:29.640 it's dead ass mirroring. I mean a straight mirroring of Chicago. 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:34.840 A ton of hood tournaments, north Side, west Side, south Side, 0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:38.200 you know, High Park, east Side, like wherever you can 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:40.320 find a game, and you can get into some of 0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.360 these places and play, that's where you play at. And 0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:45.000 then playing in some of those environments gives you those 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:48.800 badges that I was talking about. So when you get drafted, 0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:50.880 you go through the draft process, you get to Chicago, 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:52.240 does it feel like New York? 0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:55.040 Uh? 0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:56.840 Parts of it? 0:29:56.880 --> 0:29:57.120 To me? 0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:00.920 It was to me, Chicago was rougher a lot of ways. 0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:05.560 You know, that's real, that's reality too, that's you know, yeah, 0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:09.080 you know, I think that I've been studying a lot 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:14.600 of conflict resolution, you know, in Chicago, working with a 0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:18.840 lot of angels out there who changed their lives, doing 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:22.880 work with the kids, you know, the kids who are 0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:28.320 you at risk of the bullshit. So shout out Kobe 0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:32.640 Williams for all the work, you know, just being able to, 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:35.320 you know, teach me. I feel like, you know, when 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:37.840 you play for the Chicago Bulls, you have a responsibility 0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:41.800 to this wherever you're playing, you have responsibility to that. 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:43.800 City, community, to that community. 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.440 So looking up to you, to me, all that stuff 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:51.000 was the biggest blessings that you know, the most impactful 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.280 stuff I ever did was not on a basketball court. 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:59.040 It was, you know, working with these violent prevention groups 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:02.200 and really just going in there, even though I didn't 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.120 come from that world, just really going in there and 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:09.360 listening and using my position as a Chicago bull player 0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:13.600 to you know, do basketball tournaments bring the guys together? 0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:16.760 Because it's a divided city. There's a lot more than 0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.120 a lot more than New York is. You know, when 0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:23.920 you say, oh, I'm from the Bronx, people aren't saying. 0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.800 Oh, he represented it, he's with that group. 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:29.400 Or you say oh, I'm from Brooklyn, you're not saying, 0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:34.080 oh he's this, he's that, he represents that set. 0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:35.960 You know, in Chicago, it's like that. 0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:40.280 No, I was like that right in some of the 0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:44.000 yester years of older times. It was a huge migration 0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:46.440 of the blacks that came from the South trying to 0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:49.360 get a better life. And when they got to these 0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:52.040 bigger cities, just like New York, just like Philadelphia, just 0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:56.040 like in Chicago, they fell upon really really hard times 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:59.600 and in some instance where the police wouldn't even come 0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:01.520 to the nahborhoods because it was so bad in some 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:04.800 of these rural areas that the neighborhood had to actually 0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.840 band up and protect the neighborhood. So then all the 0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.480 all of a sudden, you have these neighborhoods come up 0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:12.920 with these little street games and they neighbor them street games, 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.280 called them street communities, street groups, whatever you want to 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.600 call them, but they was real protectors of the neighborhood. 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:20.719 When the women and stuff were to get you know, 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:23.520 robbed of the persons and stuff, they went to the 0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:26.600 local who ran this neighborhood to go handling the situation, 0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:30.479 and vice versa. Same thing with small businesses, windows getting busted, 0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:33.280 you know, the little petty theft things in the neighborhood. 0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:36.800 Keeping the neighborhood clean came from these these city groups 0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:40.120 and it wasn't until the soldiers came back from war. 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:44.600 Now guns and drugs are introduced, creatures of habit would 0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:47.360 the last to get resources, all the stuff compiled and 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.280 you got an environment now. But these street groups never 0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:53.680 went anywhere. If anything, they unified, there was communative and 0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:57.480 when they became problems, when they had all a strategic 0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.960 structuring and they all want the build on something to 0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:05.240 make their communities better. You know what I'm saying, we 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.360 can all sit here and talk about the definition of 0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:11.440 what that looks like. I hear what you're doing back 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:16.479 in Chicago. Talk about some of well I think you 0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:18.239 just tested on a little bit, but talk about what 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:22.240 you're doing in Chicago with gun prevention, with bringing these 0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:26.360 groups together to at least start dialogue, because I feel 0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:27.800 like when you start a dialogue, a lot of these 0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:30.400 groups look at themselves as they are different going into 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:32.600 the dialogue, and once the dialogue starts, they see that 0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.480 they're very much alike, They're very much on the same page, 0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.200 and they're very much parallel in their efforts to make 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:40.280 something better. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I want 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:42.120 you to speak a little bit on what you're doing 0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:45.840 back in Chicago, because I think it's not only what's needed, 0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:49.120 but I think it's so important for people to hear. 0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:52.960 I appreciate that doubt and salute you too, King for that. 0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:54.520 Appreciate that real shit. 0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:57.480 You know. We're working with. 0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:03.280 A lot of violence prevention groups and being able to 0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:07.040 bring them together through sports, through basketball, so we do 0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:09.520 the basketball League. It's not about getting the top talent, 0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:13.880 it's about bringing the guys together and giving them a voice. 0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:19.120 You know. Obviously there's a lot of hardship. 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:22.400 In the neighborhood, and if we can bring them together 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:27.040 as much as possible, I think a lot of beauty 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.640 can come out in the unity, you know, and being 0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:31.200 able to talk, and. 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:33.880 Because everybody's just so divided. 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.120 So I think that one thing that was really important 0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:38.879 was just being able to bring the guys and come 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.719 to the game, give them tickets, you know. I think 0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:43.960 that that also gave me a lot of strength when 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:46.000 I was playing, because I knew I was playing for 0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.920 more than myself, you know, And that's why when I 0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:55.759 played in Chicago, I think it just definitely I knew 0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:57.600 I was I knew I was I had My purpose 0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:01.160 was stronger than ever and still to this day, look 0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.799 I'm done playing, I'm still on it. And you know, 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.960 the reality is the violence isn't getting any better. 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:10.719 So you know, I'm not trying to come over here. 0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:14.000 I'm not going out there preaching to anybody, but you know, 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:16.000 it starts with just doing shit like this. 0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:18.160 Like you know, when I'm walking in the street I'm 0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:20.399 in New York, people might be like, yo, fuck KG 0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:24.280 and they don't even know the situation. I'm hearing people 0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:27.080 like talking about a moment that happened twenty years ago, 0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:31.400 you know, And I want the I want people to know, Look, 0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:34.800 this is about conflict resolution, and you guys are dealing 0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:37.360 with with shit on a much bigger sk scale. 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:39.400 You know, when you're. 0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:42.600 Talking about nobody dying, nobody's dying when you're playing basketball, 0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.759 you know, so when your cousin's getting killed, you're talking 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:46.960 about conflict resolution. 0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:48.880 You know, that's that's real. 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.360 Perspective, Like how do you how do you diffuse the 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:55.080 situation without somebody getting killed or somebody going to jail. 0:35:55.640 --> 0:36:00.800 So the reality is the violence is not getting better. 0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.480 But there has to be a bigger investment in the 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:07.680 community and bring guys together and get letting them talk 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.640 their shit out. You know, it's not about It's not 0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.440 about me. I don't like coming into environments like that 0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:16.200 preaching and telling them about my It's not about my story. 0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:18.400 This is about the guys coming together. And if I 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.399 can help bring the guys together, I'm gonna do that. 0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:23.000 I love that, Bro. If you need any help with that, 0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:25.520 let me know, BRO. I'm interested in not only bringing 0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:29.120 people together, but starting to talk and changing the script. 0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:29.319 Bro. 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:32.040 Script needs to be changed. I feel like these young 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:35.640 kids are looking for or have an all the ology 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.120 of an idea that they want to believe in but 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:40.319 don't know how to execute it. I think the old 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.160 heirs want to help these young guys but don't know 0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:44.319 how to go about it. And I think when you 0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:47.160 get them together, it's beautiful because you get an older 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:50.240 generation and new generation coming together. I can't say that everybody, 0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:52.839 or it doesn't always feel like they want them to 0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:55.640 to be together. Sometimes it feels like you won't, you 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:57.560 won't you want it at odds, or it's felt like 0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:01.279 it's promoted to be at odds. And anything that can 0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:03.840 change that narrative or anything that can change that script, 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:07.040 I'm all for. So let me know, BRO. Real ship 0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:07.600 real ship. 0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:09.719 I love. That's that's why I came here for. 0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:11.719 No real you know what I'm saying. I want you 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:13.680 to know that, man, and man, I love what you're 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:15.600 doing with Africa. Man, I see the African League, bro, 0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.960 talk about it? Man, what you is that a real thing? 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.000 It's coming, It's coming. 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.200 I saw your I saw you're real. I saw your 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:26.960 real you know you're in your team sent me. I 0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:30.160 was like, it had Obama endorsing it, it had it 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:33.280 had the lead talk about the African League. 0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:36.960 Man, Well, it's something I'm really proud of, you know, 0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:38.880 just to be a part of a of a league. 0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:41.160 So now you look at it. You know, when you're 0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:44.080 a competitive when you're in it, you don't look at 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:45.160 the big picture. 0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:46.520 You don't look at the wide scope. 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:48.080 Of you in it. 0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:51.360 And now it's like, okay, I'm a part owner of 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:55.200 a league in Africa. This is really special because I 0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:58.360 would go back in the summers, you know, at the 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:02.160 height of my career and there's so much work to 0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:05.040 do and now you know you're you're alone and it's 0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:07.799 like you can't change your culture, like you can't do 0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:08.800 this shit by yourself. 0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:09.800 So now it's. 0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:12.760 About bringing you know, your network bringing all the people 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.360 together to do this ship. But when this opportunity came 0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:17.759 to be able to be a part to invest in 0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.360 n BE Africa, for me, it was no brainer. 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.720 I was like, this is exactly what I'm looking for. 0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.640 You know, but basketball is not a big part of 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:31.720 African culture yet. But you know, you look at Joel 0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:33.960 mb he probably the MVP of the league right now, 0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:37.360 but the reality is he started playing basketball at sixteen 0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:38.359 seventeen years old. 0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:43.680 So imagine when they lower the hoops and they got the. 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:46.799 Little shorties, wait till these young African boys come in 0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:47.400 with the hot. 0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:51.560 Hesy right to put their own li on it exactly. 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:54.279 So we don't have that yet. That's not there yet. 0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:57.719 So the league is great. You know, the NBA has 0:38:57.719 --> 0:39:00.759 invested a lot of you know, a lot of big 0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:03.960 leaders are invested. Now I'm at the table with the 0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:06.520 big dogs, so I'm learning a lot. I'm learning a 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:09.319 lot about business. But at the same time, it's like, yo, 0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.279 let's really focus on the grassroots. 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:14.080 And what I'm hoping for is like, you know. 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.880 OG's who are done playing, who want to give their 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:20.560 you know, their experience, their leadership, Like we can go 0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:23.640 and do that. And the reality is we're so blessed 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.960 in America. People don't realize, like Cameron got one indoor 0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:28.360 court in the whole country. 0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:30.080 One in the whole country. 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:35.080 So now you start building infrastructure where you have the 0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:38.799 ogs coming in and really showing these kids how to 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:39.600 really hoop. 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:41.640 It's a rap. 0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:44.600 How they building it? Are they building it from legos 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:49.080 like Nigeria, Cameroon, a coach some of the bigger South Africa? 0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:52.360 Are they starting with some of the bigger the bigger countries. 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:58.040 Right now there's two there's three big arenas. So they're 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:04.280 in Senegal, you know where there's probably the two best 0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:09.040 academies for the kids on the continent to learn. So 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:12.239 a'm au Galla Fall who's the president of he was 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.080 he was a scout for Dallas. 0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:17.560 I saw that, so we were we were, we were. 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.719 Tight coming up. You know, I almost went there to 0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:23.400 play with Dirk when I came in, but we always 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:26.359 kept our relationship and you know, when he became the 0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:29.359 president and there was an opportunity, I jumped on that. 0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:32.040 But right now, the big structures, the big stadiums are 0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:36.760 in Rwanda, in Senegal and in Egypt. 0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:39.480 But we still have we got ways to go, We 0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:42.640 got ways to go. But the talent is there, for sure. 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:44.919 I saw, I saw it on the rail. I saw 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:48.880 I saw obviously on the social media, and I see 0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:51.480 a bit some pieces I saw Ja cole Go in 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:58.840 the league play. Do you see, matter of fact, on 0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:01.040 the scale of one to ten, when it comes to skill, 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:07.680 what's the what's what? What's what's Africa? The continent as 0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.920 we know basketball And by the way, basketball right now 0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:15.239 is the international. It's a European sport right now. 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:15.879 Mm hmm. 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.360 The moves that's in the game, the euros the flopping 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:24.719 don't look American. And then the best players are European. 0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:27.839 Give me a take on that. You agree with that. 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:33.480 I mean there's a lot of great European talent, but 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:36.640 I mean there's the talent is coming from everywhere man, 0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:40.160 and it used to just be States States. 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.560 So it's not like that no more so. But what 0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:46.080 people in the States have to realize is, you know, 0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:50.000 I don't care where you're from. You have everything here. 0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:53.200 You got everything, you got the best facilities in the 0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:56.960 world are here, the best coaching is here. But I 0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:00.920 feel like the kids are are spoiled as hungry, not 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:04.320 as hungry as the world. As the world, the world 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:07.000 is hungrier. So that to me, that's where I want 0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:08.640 to put my I want to put my energy. When 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:11.239 I'm talking to it shorty, he's not looking at me like, oh, 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:13.479 he's not playing no more like you know, I don't 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:16.040 care about my Instagram is not going to be as 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:18.560 lid as it was when I'm not trying to hear 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:20.520 all that shit I want to when I'm talking to 0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:23.080 you about basketball, I want you to be one hundred 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:26.239 percent in it. And yo, I haven't experience in this shit. 0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:28.680 I played against the best players in the world. And 0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:30.960 if you hungry and you really want it, I want 0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.400 the kids out there to really have an opportunity. So 0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:35.520 that's what this league is showing these kids. They don't 0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:39.080 have to fly all the way to the States to 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:41.960 go to you know, boarding school or. 0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:45.759 Go play NCAA. You don't have to do we're just 0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:46.680 talking about NIL. 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:49.560 There's a league out there, a professional league, and you 0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:53.640 don't have to leave home. So obviously, you know, Africa 0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:57.680 is a huge continent. There's a lot of different cultures. 0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:00.680 You know, South Africa's culture is very different from the 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:05.440 North uh, you know in East West Vice it's all different. 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.840 But the reality is when you lower the hoops and 0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:11.720 you let these kids play and they get the good coaching. 0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:16.120 It's a rap. Imagination takes over imagination. 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:17.879 Soccer still huge over there. 0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:18.840 Soccer is huge. 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:20.400 Soccer sotillners, right. 0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:21.879 They winners. But same thing. 0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:23.880 It's like, yo, the guy, and we got to invest 0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:26.960 in the in the structures, do you know? 0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:27.840 That's what it is. 0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:29.759 It's like just if we can invest in this. But 0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:32.319 to me, it's like my purpose is stronger than ever, 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:34.359 more than when I was playing. It was like when 0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:36.200 I was playing, I was representing the Bulls. I was 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:37.960 representing my team, and I try to do that to 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:40.239 the best of my ability. Now it's not about me. 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:44.640 It's just Okay, I have my experience, but I'm watching. 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:47.759 I know what it looks like. I know what a 0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:51.040 good practice looks like. I know again better looks like, 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.520 you know, because I lived that for most of my life. 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:56.800 But and I saw that I did that in Europe, 0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:00.720 you know, starting to play basketball in France. The same 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:05.360 same facility as where Victor winbin Yama, same place that 0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:09.200 he's coming up. So that's why I started playing and 0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:12.080 so I saw, I saw the grassroots and what it 0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:13.760 looks like in Europe. 0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:16.120 America as well. 0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:19.080 You know, we talked about that New York City streetball 0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:23.399 term all this stuff, and now Africa, it's like, Yo, 0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:26.400 they're building slowly but surely. But when the investment starts 0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:29.880 coming in and people really see, like, yo, if we 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:31.640 put this you know, if we put this time in 0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:34.360 right now, this next generation from over here is going 0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:37.240 to be on another level because they're hungry. 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:38.919 Greater than the G League. 0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:40.719 No, not yet. 0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:44.160 It's not better than NCAA. I wouldn't say it's better 0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:47.120 than the Super Raw Raw Raw, but. 0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:47.680 It's the same thing. 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:49.719 It's like you look at African dudes when they come in, 0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:53.200 right and they come to America. 0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:59.319 First of all, what's their job? The dirty work? 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:04.239 You set, the screens, you roll, you don't rebound, don't 0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:06.319 ask for the don't you dare ask for the ball. 0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:10.960 That narrative that's changing. You got Embiid was about to 0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:11.520 go m VP. 0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.480 You passing, you better passing the ball every fucking time 0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:15.120 down the court. 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:16.560 You know what I'm saying. 0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:19.160 See Il come come down with dribble pump pump, fake 0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:22.520 one dribble, pull up right hand hook you got Jannis 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:24.560 who a year or your ass to death and put 0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:27.839 you in the rim like Shaq like yeah, yeah, it's 0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:30.360 totally different. The whole narrative is changing, the whole narrative. 0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:33.839 But the resources are not all the way there. But 0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:36.600 the time and the equity and the investment has been 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:38.960 there for those players to be like this, wouldn't you say? 0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:43.160 I mean it worked out with Cold. Johanna's worked out 0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:46.080 with me. You know, Johanna's worked out with other NBA 0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:49.920 Jason Kidd, Jannis has had the investment. Think about m B. 0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:53.239 M B got not one year, he said, out two years. 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:57.120 Think about their investment on on Africa and the players 0:45:57.120 --> 0:46:00.160 that come out of there in the time usually oh 0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.920 you know this and in the times where because I'm 0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:05.000 a little older than you, but bro, you don't get 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:07.279 two you get two years for you can get two 0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:11.280 years two years meaning somebody was like nah, yeah, we're 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:11.839 gonna wait on. 0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:15.919 Yeah, but in the league that's a different thing once 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:18.239 they're already there that I see what you're talking about. 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.640 Those investments are making I'm expecting listen, all the fun 0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:23.080 you got to work out with COVID. 0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:23.879 Nah. 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.319 Now, yeah, you're gonna be different at some point. I'm 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:29.360 waiting on it to hit so that. So I'm saying, 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:33.319 when you drop those resources in there, I don't think 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:35.560 there's gonna be something. I look at it. I see 0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:39.120 Africa being greater than the China League, and I say 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:41.840 that because of the sourcing right there. Once you start 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:44.839 throwing the imagination, start teaching, you start teaching little things 0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:47.319 like getting your head up and identifying in the Once 0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:50.160 you start really getting through the nuances and tangibles that 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:53.360 really make the game, the details those kids, imagination starts 0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:54.880 taking off for sure. You know what I'm saying. And 0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:56.000 that's what needs to happen. 0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:57.040 That's what needs to happen. 0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:59.040 Yeah, you know, but you you you walk to the 0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:02.160 market out there and you might see a dude that 0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:04.080 looks like he never touched the basketball. 0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:06.880 He he looked like you, bro, just like me. He 0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:07.640 looked just like you. 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:13.000 She never touched the basketball before, you know what I mean, never, never, ever. 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:18.640 He's sixty eleven, motherfucker. All that purple, black, green, all 0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:21.840 that blue, all that shit, right, Super Melani, right, super, 0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:23.080 don't even know what does it? 0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:23.640 What is this? 0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:28.440 What is that Are you serious? That's the that's the 0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.120 reality of the thing. So now we're building a course. 0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:33.080 You know, there's a lot of people doing a lot 0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:35.000 of dope shit. We just got to keep it up 0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:35.840 and keep building. 0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:37.280 Damn. 0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:40.720 That's twenty years behind, twenty years behind, twenty years behind, 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:44.200 twenty years. Damn. How you speak? How you speak? That up? 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:47.120 Camps involvements because I know they I know the NBA 0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:49.560 does something over there, right or they go over every year. 0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:52.080 I know Tumble used to be bigger than I'm shout 0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:55.840 out Tumble, shout out shut. What's what's the guard from Toronto? 0:47:57.480 --> 0:47:59.399 I'm going blank on this name? Helped me rich? What's 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:06.240 the what's the African? Yeah? Yeah, I see him sending 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:09.919 a huge charge. So every every year. Now, I think 0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:13.120 we need to put the investment of these camps flo 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.880 some of the old HEAs over let them because you 0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:18.120 know they know us. And then it's so it's so 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:20.520 hard on some of these young guys who are playing. 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:22.440 You play the whole season. I know you don't want 0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:24.680 to take your summing and go over to Africa. Then too, 0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:29.640 I think that script is gonna start changing, right for that. 0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:33.560 That's the reality at the end of the day, it's 0:48:33.640 --> 0:48:37.640 taking your time, just giving your time, and that's that's 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:38.680 the most important thing. 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:38.960 You know. 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:41.479 We get some of these ogs to come over there, 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.400 that means a lot. It goes a long way, does 0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:47.879 and these kids they appreciate it on another level. So 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:50.960 that's really what my focus on more than you know, 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:53.480 the investment in the league. All that stuff is great, 0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:55.759 but focusing on the grassroots part. 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:57.720 If we get this piece right. 0:48:57.719 --> 0:49:00.319 Then the league is only gonna blossom, you know. So 0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:03.759 you know, I love I love talking about this with. 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:06.279 The guys and see, really who who's into it? 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.799 Sometimes I talked talk to guys about it and they're like, man, 0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:12.080 they're not interested. But the guys who are and who 0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:14.160 were like, yo, I want to know about my heritage 0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:16.799 a little bit. You know, it's deep, you know. Going back, 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:19.560 we did a beautiful trip with d Rose last summer. 0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.200 We brought his high school team to Senegal, so he 0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:24.960 was playing against the best competition in Africa at the 0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:30.239 NBA Academy and it was like the cultural exchange was beautiful, 0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:33.799 you know. So being able to have do that trip, 0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:35.840 I had just got married. I was on my honeymoon. 0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:37.959 Who was like, Okay, I want to do this trip 0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:39.640 to Africa. I'm not missing that shit. 0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:42.080 So we went. It was awesome. 0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:45.080 We went to go visit the slave castles, you know, 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:48.320 and then it became a trip that was bigger than basketball, 0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:51.880 you know, because now you got kids from Chicago coming 0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:55.600 in competing against the guys in Africa. They in Africa, 0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:58.160 they looking around there was and the same thing. It's like, 0:49:58.160 --> 0:49:59.640 you don't even have to preach, you don't have to 0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:03.560 say because they're just you know, taking in this experience. 0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:07.239 They're coming back to their neighborhood and they're like, yo, inspired, 0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:08.160 how is Africa? 0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:10.640 And they can they have They have a real story 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:12.640 to tell, you know, So talk about perspective. 0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:16.040 That was. That was one of the dopest things I 0:50:16.120 --> 0:50:17.800 ever did in my life, to be honest. 0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:20.200 That's so you gotta go through it. Ship, You got 0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:22.359 to go through the whole shot and do that. By 0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:26.080 Farragut would do something like that, man. So now I 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:28.520 got to ask the question is the is the It's 0:50:28.560 --> 0:50:32.080 the ideal is to bring like, uh, some African teams 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:34.160 over in the summer and have them play some of 0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:36.360 some of the talent in Chicago and get kind of 0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:38.120 that experience and back and forth. 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:41.200 I mean, to me, that's that's my dream, that's the move, 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:42.160 that's what that's the move. 0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:46.040 Benm GM are you listening. We're gonna sponsor that idea. 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:50.080 We're gonna talk about the Nor's Art International certify you 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:53.360 hear me, Yes, talk about it, man, Nod's Art Foundation. 0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:55.479 You know, shout the Nords Art. You know what I'm saying, 0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:58.560 y'all doing big things, No doubt I appreciate that. 0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:00.880 Man. I love that name. Man to talk about a 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:01.200 little bit. 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:04.960 What's nord ar uh Noah's Ark is a foundation I 0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:06.080 started with my mom's. 0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:08.440 You know, mom was on the West side. 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:10.759 Shout the mom exactly. 0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:16.480 Mom was, you know, knocking at the Major Adams Community Center. 0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:17.560 Mom. 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:21.800 Mom does a lot of art therapy with the kids. 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:25.600 So my mom was very hands on in the work 0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:28.680 in the community. She would come out when she came 0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:31.360 visit me watching him play. She would always go to 0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:34.959 the community and do. 0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:35.480 Do work with the kids with the art. 0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:37.920 And then you know, I was doing these basketball tournaments 0:51:37.960 --> 0:51:41.640 with with the Ogs, and to me, I always I 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:43.880 always loved the Vets. You know, the Vets to me 0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:47.840 was probably the most. It was amazing getting the knowledge 0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:51.440 from them. You know, I think about you know, Kurt Thomas, 0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:56.200 you know Keith Bogan's even scal. Scal used to come 0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:59.719 in and talk about about you all the time, like, Yo, 0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:01.200 there's so this is how, this is how, this is 0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:02.000 what KG used to be. 0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:03.440 I'll be like, man, I'm nobody trying to hear that 0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:04.160 ship right now. 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:07.880 Man, it was just a motivation, some insight. Shout the 0:52:07.880 --> 0:52:08.640 White Mama. 0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:14.160 Shout out to the White Mamba. But you know, before 0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:15.960 before we get out. 0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:17.680 Of here, I just want to also talk about, you know, 0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:24.279 the motivate TIBs man. And you know, I know we're 0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:27.280 talking about Noah's Ark, but let me let me finish 0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:29.000 on no good Good take your. 0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:31.640 Time, but Noah's Ark. It has been special. 0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:34.400 But you know, we're really focused on the work in Chicago, 0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:37.400 and right now it's about this basketball tournament that's starting 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:40.480 up this summer using the twenty eight violence prevention groups. 0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:41.120 Come together. 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:43.640 We got South Side going on, we got the West 0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:47.279 Side going on. Bring the guys together, have the conversation. 0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:49.800 It's more than just basketball. When I talk the basketball 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:52.239 part is cool. We're bringing we're doing that, but all 0:52:52.280 --> 0:52:54.879 the programs that are going to come in the conversations 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:57.320 that are going to come after. That's what it's all about. 0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:00.520 And that's that's my mission right now. My purpose is 0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:05.600 stronger than ever. And yeah, man, I'm fucking really hyped 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:08.120 to be here right now because like we're talking about, 0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:11.840 we're talking about conflict resolution. You know, I want people 0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:14.600 to know I'm about I'm handling mine right now, you 0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:16.040 know what I mean. People are going to go in 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:18.120 the street and say they can say whatever they want. 0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:19.120 This one was for me. 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:21.200 I love it. I love it. I love it. Are 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:23.520 you watching? Are you watching the NBA? You're keeping up 0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:23.799 with it? 0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:24.280 For sure? 0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:27.040 All is it bug Is it bugged out to watch? 0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:28.040 Still going? 0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:29.799 It's not bugged out. 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:32.680 It's bugged out that I'm rooting for Boston a little bit. 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:34.520 I want him to get it. 0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:38.560 You're getting this, yo, y'all hit us. We got the 0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:39.160 whole room. 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:41.439 You heard this right right? 0:53:41.920 --> 0:53:42.920 Say that again? Nah? 0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:50.160 Just but mostly I can't. I want to now for 0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:52.040 I want hor Fee to get one bad. 0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:54.440 You know, he deserves it, the fact that he can 0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:57.400 still go playing at a high level, and you know 0:53:57.440 --> 0:53:58.520 he's making that team go. 0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:01.400 You know, and and it's always the importance of having 0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:02.880 like the right O G. 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:05.960 And that's more than just basketball. That's in life, like 0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:08.759 having having guys that you could talk to. Has been 0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:11.200 through every situation. He's that guy. 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:15.280 So really proud of him. The way he's handling his business, and. 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.560 It's on that three ball really changed everything for him. 0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:22.919 He started. He's you know, it's weird that it got 0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:25.000 it got it got preached to us to stay away 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:27.879 from it, right she I'm trying to think of big 0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:29.839 Sta shot the three now a lot, not a lot, right, 0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:34.040 I'm going blank. Apologies Dirk Dirk, but I'm watching the 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:38.160 Red the re emergence of a guy like Brook Lopez 0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:40.480 goes to the Lakers, start shooting the three, and next 0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:43.680 thing you know, he's having a whole nother career, right man. 0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:48.479 Al Horford's in that same category. The three ball has changed. 0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:50.760 And then last year I watched him change the cold 0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:54.439 course of why the Celtics and destroy it or if yeah, yeah, 0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:58.520 he he destroyed in that series. To me, he actually, 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:01.400 you know, but then when you look at Al, he 0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:03.839 took it. It was a year in Okay, see where 0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:05.719 he didn't play, where he had the whole year to 0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:07.840 just not only work out but be on a roster 0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:11.720 still be here. How long do you think al continues 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:13.839 to play? If you know how well? 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:17.600 So I was my college roommate, and you know, I 0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:21.480 think if his approach is his approach is definitely the same. 0:55:21.800 --> 0:55:24.799 You know, he's even in college, he was probably like 0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:28.160 the most professional person that I ever been around. 0:55:28.280 --> 0:55:31.319 It's always been big like this for as long as you 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:31.640 know him. 0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:33.600 Yeah, I mean he got bigger. 0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:35.160 For sure, I know that, but he's always been in 0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:38.520 a like a a bigger person. 0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:40.600 Yes, like center, you know. 0:55:40.800 --> 0:55:42.840 But you know, it's funny because when we were in college, 0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:44.239 I was playing top of the key. 0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:45.880 He was the one who was playing in the post. 0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:50.960 You know. But you know he's he's an all around 0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:53.399 player and just like you said, you know he got 0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:57.200 that three ball, but more than just basketball. I think 0:55:57.280 --> 0:55:59.840 like when I talk to like some of the guys 0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:03.120 talk to Jalen Brown, all started a little bit and 0:56:03.239 --> 0:56:05.280 just like the respect that he gets from. 0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:09.000 The guys, that's that's dope to me. You know. 0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:11.920 Yeah, man, he's a good o G. And you know 0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:14.840 he's been in this situation. So now he's fighting for 0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:17.080 you know it's the end of It's who knows, he 0:56:17.080 --> 0:56:19.759 could probably play for a little more, but you know, 0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:22.400 just to be in that position to be able to 0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:23.400 wake up in the morning. 0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:26.319 And you know, I got the playoffs today. I got 0:56:26.320 --> 0:56:29.520 a playoff game. Like, that's the ship I missed the most. 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:32.799 It's like, you know, those moments of just you know 0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:35.840 you in layup lines. I mean that that to me 0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:36.799 is like those. 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:40.920 Moments playing against y'all. Like I could, like hear the 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.920 in the air tonight, I can hear that song. 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:46.279 You know what I mean. 0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:49.480 I'm those layup lines. I was so crunk, I couldn't 0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:52.399 even feel my legs. Bro, you know what I'm saying. 0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:55.719 It was just super super It was the best. It 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:56.200 was the best. 0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:59.040 So those moments is what I missed the most. This 0:56:59.120 --> 0:57:00.760 is the time of the year that I missed the most. 0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:04.239 And you know, I really hope hor if he gets one. 0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:08.200 Playoffs exposes everything. You can't hide anything, ain't nothing new. 0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:10.680 They know what you love to do, they know they 0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:14.400 know your catalog of moves. And I actually think that 0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:16.960 this is when players get better because you got it. 0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:19.600 You can't go with the A and B, right, So yeah, 0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:21.640 my CND is nice too, though, you know what I'm saying. 0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:23.000 So I want to this is where I want to 0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:25.640 see like the real nice players or the players. So 0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:28.320 we got on like higher levels, go to another level 0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:28.640 with it. 0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:31.160 And those those playoffs. 0:57:31.160 --> 0:57:33.920 Man, it's like you think that the you know, you 0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:36.400 get to the league and you think that the season 0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:41.040 is what the NBA is all about, you know, But guys, 0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:44.440 there's so many games that it's hard to play at 0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:47.320 that level every night. 0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:48.200 You know. 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:51.120 I think some guys do it, but as a whole, 0:57:51.960 --> 0:57:54.360 when you get to the playoffs, I mean that first 0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:54.840 time I. 0:57:54.880 --> 0:57:57.200 Hit the playoffs is against you. Guys. You will hurt 0:57:57.200 --> 0:58:00.160 that series, but that series, like it change. 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:02.320 My life great. Serious, by the way, it was hard 0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:04.080 watching that ship. It was hard sitting there and not 0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:09.960 being able to physically contribute. When you give me your 0:58:10.000 --> 0:58:12.880 assessment on today's game, man, like you're still young enough 0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:14.680 to be understanding of these young guys. 0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:14.880 You know. 0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:17.840 The funny clip I love on the internet is when 0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:21.000 y'all in summer, y'all in the summer playing and y'all 0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:25.120 double double booker. He was like, man, I'm trying to 0:58:25.160 --> 0:58:27.800 work on my game, man, Like ain't no double team 0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:30.360 in summer, Like, yes it is, and you just kept 0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:33.520 moving like on some O G ship. What's your assessment 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:35.280 at the young generation right now? Man? 0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:40.240 I think that the game is just is different. The 0:58:40.400 --> 0:58:43.560 kids are just way more polished. Man's say, everybody's better. 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:48.959 And the difference between yes, skill wise, but one through 0:58:49.000 --> 0:58:52.240 eight you're the first seed against the A seed. 0:58:52.520 --> 0:58:53.640 These games are close. 0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:56.360 Like the talent you the fifteenth guy on the roster, 0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:59.480 the difference is not that big. You know, these guys 0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:02.960 are getting better. I think the talent is is better 0:59:04.240 --> 0:59:07.000 and it's just different. You know, guys, if you can't 0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:07.880 shoot the ball, you're. 0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:09.920 Not playing no more. Fus, you're not playing no more. 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:13.360 You need the three balls. The difference in generations, I 0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:17.520 think so it's made the big not so traditional. You're 0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:19.840 traditional big right now. I don't give a fuck. How'm 0:59:19.880 --> 0:59:21.600 nice you're on the box. If you can't shoot the 0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:23.640 floating three, if you can't take it, if you can't 0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:26.120 take the trail three or make a three in the corners, 0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:28.120 and it's got to be I'm talking about like six 0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:30.120 for ten type shit. You gotta be like sixty percent 0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:32.640 from those two and he giving it to you. You 0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:35.520 ain't doing shit in on defense. Try They're not having 0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:38.240 bigs come up no more and actually be up. Steph 0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:40.600 Curry comes off of the top screening roll. You're you're 0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:43.480 in the paint like it's no ice. They don't push 0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:47.640 things to the side no more, like MANE forty five, Like, 0:59:47.680 --> 0:59:49.640 come on, man, what the fuck? Come on man, it's 0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:52.040 Crealy been fighting in the locker room bro for real, 0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:57.560 Like like like yeah, but it's all designed for a 0:59:57.600 --> 1:00:01.320 different audience, and this different audience shit to be hyped 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:04.360 up like that. They're selling offense and then come playoff times. 1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:07.560 I feel like they're selling defense because I'm so hyped 1:00:07.560 --> 1:00:09.760 in you know what, me and my homies be sitting 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:12.080 here watching the TV. Man, it'd be like one forty 1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:14.400 you know forty. 1:00:14.640 --> 1:00:14.880 Yeah. 1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:18.160 It does trip me out, Like yesterday, I'm watching the 1:00:18.240 --> 1:00:22.440 game and I'm seeing like I'm not even gonna whatever. 1:00:22.560 --> 1:00:27.200 He gets the offensive rebound. You you got, you got 1:00:27.320 --> 1:00:29.800 Chris Paul on you, you got like you got small 1:00:29.800 --> 1:00:31.800 guys on you throwing that ship out for a three. 1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:34.480 I'm like, yo, you come on man and go up. 1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:36.760 Analytics, Go up analytics. 1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:39.440 That that bugs me out. That trips me out. 1:00:39.560 --> 1:00:43.479 If you was commissioner for for two years, what would 1:00:43.480 --> 1:00:48.400 you change? Damn, it's a tough question. Lord, gotta have 1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:49.120 you on your toes. 1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:49.680 You know what I'm saying. 1:00:50.080 --> 1:00:52.960 I changed, Yeah, first thing you changed in day one. 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:58.200 Well, I'm happy that they changed the piff that. I 1:00:58.240 --> 1:01:01.120 think that the weed thing was great. Really, I'm really. 1:01:00.920 --> 1:01:03.000 Happy about that. Guys can just at the end of 1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:04.720 the night relax, can relax. 1:01:04.920 --> 1:01:08.360 See, we didn't have that, and so I'm happy that 1:01:08.400 --> 1:01:10.160 they did that. 1:01:10.160 --> 1:01:12.280 That ship took a lot of careers too, bro a 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:14.720 lot of careers, and they never did anything about drinking 1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:16.160 and all. That ship took it out of locker room. 1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:20.200 But I start drinking such a bigger, harsher habit than 1:01:20.240 --> 1:01:23.400 than anything else in our obviously harder drugs, the harder drugs. 1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:25.920 But I was watching motherfuckers get drunk on every night 1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:29.800 and me, what like, nah, because you need to live 1:01:29.840 --> 1:01:31.320 on in your kidneys and all that, you know what I mean. 1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:34.200 But yeah, I'm glad they actually relaxed on that guys 1:01:34.200 --> 1:01:37.840 can actually have solutions to some of these elements that 1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:40.120 they have. Because you know, nobody wants to say this, 1:01:40.200 --> 1:01:43.360 but anxiety is a real thing. Some of these conditions 1:01:43.400 --> 1:01:46.920 are a real thing. You know, uh as ain't gonna 1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:50.240 fix but so much, you know what I'm saying. So 1:01:50.280 --> 1:01:51.320 I totally get it. Man. 1:01:51.840 --> 1:01:53.520 Yeah, I think I think that that was that one 1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:56.800 was really important because I don't think people realize game. 1:01:57.200 --> 1:01:59.960 You know, you're playing a game at the highest level. 1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:05.160 You got twenty twenty thousand people going crazy. You know, 1:02:05.320 --> 1:02:08.560 you think with that kind of adrenaline being on the court, 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:11.040 you think that you're going to sleep at twelve o'clock 1:02:11.280 --> 1:02:14.000 just all the game's over, it's time to go to bed, 1:02:14.160 --> 1:02:17.360 Like I can't. I couldn't shut it down. I couldn't 1:02:17.360 --> 1:02:20.240 shut it down. So I'm happy that guys have, you know, 1:02:20.880 --> 1:02:23.240 have that outlet to just be able to calm down, 1:02:23.440 --> 1:02:27.600 meditate on it, and get some resting. I think the 1:02:27.640 --> 1:02:29.880 rest is the most important thing. You know, guys, guys 1:02:29.920 --> 1:02:31.600 are getting hurt left and right. 1:02:31.920 --> 1:02:32.680 I was gonna say that. 1:02:32.680 --> 1:02:32.800 Man. 1:02:32.840 --> 1:02:35.000 You see how they talking about sixty five games, and 1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:37.440 you see how they are you a fan of Loaves management? 1:02:39.160 --> 1:02:43.840 Not really, but I mean it's tough, man. I mean 1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:44.880 everybody's different. 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:47.040 You know. It's like you look at how people are 1:02:47.040 --> 1:02:51.240 talking about Kawhi and shit, Yo, Homie's fucked up. Homies 1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:51.720 fucked up. 1:02:52.360 --> 1:02:58.360 So that's that's load management, just because it wasn't my way. 1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:01.040 You know, it wasn't the way we were raised. 1:03:01.600 --> 1:03:05.600 But at the end of the day, you know, I 1:03:05.640 --> 1:03:07.600 can't I can't be over here just because it wasn't 1:03:07.680 --> 1:03:10.720 my way and say you know what's right and what's wrong. 1:03:11.280 --> 1:03:14.800 You know, some guys need that shit for real. So 1:03:15.080 --> 1:03:17.640 is it hurting the game or is it helping the 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:21.440 game or hurting the game? Would you say load management? 1:03:21.680 --> 1:03:22.440 Load management? 1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:26.120 I think there's a lot of analytics in it that's 1:03:26.240 --> 1:03:29.320 just taking taking away the soul of the game. You know, 1:03:30.000 --> 1:03:33.760 listen to the guys like sometimes like yo, sometimes you 1:03:33.760 --> 1:03:36.880 got to play through Ship so and and you know what, 1:03:36.960 --> 1:03:39.200 that's how you get your respect. Like when I when 1:03:39.240 --> 1:03:42.120 I go around in Chicago and people are talking to 1:03:42.160 --> 1:03:44.760 me and they're like, Yo, thank you for your services. 1:03:45.400 --> 1:03:48.439 That's not because that's because I was playing through ship. 1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:51.880 You know, That's because I was battling in the playoffs. 1:03:52.560 --> 1:03:54.120 You're not going to get that because you got a 1:03:54.120 --> 1:03:57.080 big contract or you know, just because you were a 1:03:57.080 --> 1:03:59.560 good team. No, you gotta you gotta fight through that 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:04.000 shit times. But sometimes the guy, I think there's a 1:04:04.040 --> 1:04:08.760 lot of like nerdy ship going on where people are like, oh, 1:04:09.080 --> 1:04:11.280 you know you're you're in the red. They're putting all 1:04:11.400 --> 1:04:15.360 kinds of stuff to get data and all this. You know, 1:04:15.440 --> 1:04:17.480 listen to the guy, man, just listen to the guy. 1:04:17.640 --> 1:04:20.479 Sometimes I think it's it's it's too much. 1:04:21.840 --> 1:04:25.240 I know you, I know you spoke through him earlier. 1:04:26.040 --> 1:04:26.200 Uh. 1:04:26.920 --> 1:04:31.000 First off, shout out for you being a ambassador of 1:04:31.000 --> 1:04:33.760 the game for the French team. Shout out to you 1:04:33.800 --> 1:04:36.360 being the ambassador for the Chicago Bulls. You know what 1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:38.960 I'm saying. Those are those are real key points. People 1:04:39.000 --> 1:04:41.160 just don't get those real ship. That's respect to you. 1:04:43.000 --> 1:04:45.240 Talk about Victim a little bit. Man, is he is he? 1:04:45.360 --> 1:04:48.680 What is he? As advertised? I see I see him 1:04:48.720 --> 1:04:52.919 do one legged threes? I see him. First off, he's 1:04:53.160 --> 1:04:55.880 how tall is bro man? Bro seven seventh for really? 1:04:55.920 --> 1:04:58.880 Yeah, he's like seven four look like a seven four k. 1:04:59.200 --> 1:05:03.959 Yeah, like long win biggest wingspan NBA in the NBA. 1:05:04.040 --> 1:05:05.920 Right away, you shoot them. 1:05:06.080 --> 1:05:08.800 You can shoot that for real and we'll see. You know, 1:05:08.840 --> 1:05:10.600 there's a lot of expectations on him. 1:05:11.200 --> 1:05:14.840 I hope that he gets a good coach, he's surrounded, 1:05:14.880 --> 1:05:16.000 he's in a good environment. 1:05:16.120 --> 1:05:17.800 You know how that can be early on. 1:05:18.840 --> 1:05:21.400 So if he's in a good environment and a good structure. 1:05:22.200 --> 1:05:25.040 I don't know him well enough to really know you know, 1:05:25.080 --> 1:05:27.600 who's going to be coming with him when he gets 1:05:27.600 --> 1:05:30.320 to the league and stuff. But you know, when you 1:05:30.680 --> 1:05:33.160 come in you are top pick, you know you're going 1:05:33.200 --> 1:05:36.960 to a not great team. Then that's why these playoffs 1:05:36.960 --> 1:05:40.080 are so important, because when you have that playoff energy 1:05:40.240 --> 1:05:42.720 from the locker room, and you know the guys that 1:05:42.800 --> 1:05:43.960 played in it, they can. 1:05:43.840 --> 1:05:46.320 Be like, yay, we fucking around right now, it's January. 1:05:46.520 --> 1:05:51.320 But when that ship, when April may come, you know, 1:05:51.400 --> 1:05:54.640 that's a whole different animal, you know. So that's why 1:05:54.680 --> 1:05:57.360 you're in the weight room more that I mean that 1:05:57.400 --> 1:05:58.080 playoff series. 1:05:58.120 --> 1:06:00.000 I want to just talk about it a little bit. 1:06:00.520 --> 1:06:03.439 It's just that first playoff series just shaped my life, man, 1:06:03.760 --> 1:06:08.040 and that's my basketball career. You know, just playing against Perk, 1:06:08.080 --> 1:06:13.320 I was getting pushed, I was getting pushed around, and 1:06:13.320 --> 1:06:16.240 and that summer I remember I was like, okay, like 1:06:17.040 --> 1:06:20.000 that's not happening, no more, that's not happening. It motivated 1:06:20.000 --> 1:06:24.240 me like crazy. I remember you know even I mean, 1:06:24.320 --> 1:06:26.960 I'm in my house. I'm smoking them like yo, I'm 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:29.160 putting the blunt down like I gotta focus. I gotta 1:06:29.200 --> 1:06:32.800 stay focused. We got we gotta go back because that feeling, 1:06:32.800 --> 1:06:35.240 there's no better feeling that I'm going back doing my 1:06:35.320 --> 1:06:35.840 push ups. 1:06:36.880 --> 1:06:42.920 You know, Celtic Circle on the calendar. Real shit. I 1:06:43.000 --> 1:06:43.919 love the real shit. 1:06:44.240 --> 1:06:46.760 This is a platform for all the older cats, all 1:06:46.800 --> 1:06:48.880 the cats I banged against, all the casts, I played 1:06:48.920 --> 1:06:51.520 against all the casts. I respect all the cast got 1:06:51.520 --> 1:06:54.200 something positive going on. I'm here to echo what they're 1:06:54.240 --> 1:06:56.440 doing on this. You know, I'm so I got partners, 1:06:56.440 --> 1:06:58.760 don't have no boss in this, And so I left 1:06:58.840 --> 1:07:01.680 turning at that experience that came over here and got 1:07:01.680 --> 1:07:04.439 with showtime. And we're just building something. So I wanna 1:07:04.440 --> 1:07:05.760 I want to. I want to. I want to keep 1:07:05.760 --> 1:07:08.000 doing that. But I'm watching Dough, I'm watching you, I'm 1:07:08.000 --> 1:07:10.520 watching Baby, I'm watching Ta, I'm watching Perk. I'm watching 1:07:10.520 --> 1:07:13.200 a bunch of young cats under me come under this 1:07:13.320 --> 1:07:14.600 and want to be in this and do it a 1:07:14.640 --> 1:07:16.600 whole other way. So you know, we're just trying to 1:07:16.960 --> 1:07:19.360 We're trying to be a door Mars can come through. Yeah, 1:07:19.360 --> 1:07:21.360 because right now, if you ain't going to ESPN, you're 1:07:21.360 --> 1:07:23.440 going to turn and you sitting there like in limbo. 1:07:23.600 --> 1:07:25.600 You know what I'm saying. I see Gill doing this thing. 1:07:25.640 --> 1:07:31.120 I see Knuckleheads Queue and the three Miles doing anything. 1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:33.480 You know what I'm saying. So everybody, I'm trying to 1:07:33.520 --> 1:07:35.520 I'm trying to bring us all together and do something 1:07:35.520 --> 1:07:37.360 on a bigger joint, you know what I'm saying. Not 1:07:37.520 --> 1:07:40.080 just have it be over here, you know what I'm saying. 1:07:40.720 --> 1:07:41.600 And that's how this is. 1:07:41.600 --> 1:07:41.800 Man. 1:07:43.640 --> 1:07:46.680 I'm a huge fan of the younger generation man or 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:50.160 generation that was younger. And one of my favorite matchups 1:07:50.160 --> 1:07:53.680 that I enjoy watching was the Rondo Derek Rose match. 1:07:55.040 --> 1:07:59.600 And you know, my perspective was just like yours. I 1:07:59.640 --> 1:08:02.160 was always seeing it from like you know what I mean, 1:08:02.760 --> 1:08:05.959 And I was watching these two great point guards be great. 1:08:06.280 --> 1:08:09.120 Talk a little bit about playing with Derek Rose man 1:08:09.400 --> 1:08:10.400 his greatness. 1:08:11.080 --> 1:08:12.080 I mean, Derek is. 1:08:14.080 --> 1:08:16.559 You know, he's it was. It was awesome playing with 1:08:16.600 --> 1:08:18.960 that guy. You know, just what he represented to that 1:08:19.040 --> 1:08:22.920 city of Chicago looked like it too, looked like y'all 1:08:22.920 --> 1:08:25.080 have chemistry, and. 1:08:25.000 --> 1:08:28.240 He was just like, you know, he's a quiet guy. 1:08:29.080 --> 1:08:31.920 But you know, every time he stepped onto the floor, 1:08:31.960 --> 1:08:33.599 you know, we felt like we had a chance to win. 1:08:34.400 --> 1:08:38.599 So that was he gave everybody around, not just the team, 1:08:38.680 --> 1:08:42.200 but the whole city. Was so much confidence, you know, 1:08:42.960 --> 1:08:46.920 just his talent alone, just the way he approached the game. 1:08:48.360 --> 1:08:51.040 He never ran from no matchups. You know, I remember 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:54.720 his first year. It was a funny story. Uh you know, 1:08:54.840 --> 1:08:59.280 he Kirk Heinrich was our best pick and roll defenders. 1:08:59.320 --> 1:09:03.840 So he's going Nash and Vinnie deln There was like, yo, Kirk, 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:07.719 you got you got Steve Nash. And Who's like, nah, 1:09:07.840 --> 1:09:10.080 I got Steve. Nah, I'm the point guard. I'm not 1:09:10.160 --> 1:09:11.320 running from no matchup. 1:09:11.920 --> 1:09:15.639 So the whole the whole locker room quiet as hell. 1:09:16.000 --> 1:09:18.559 But that's the kind of guy, and like who was 1:09:18.640 --> 1:09:21.799 not taking no for that as a rookie, as a rookie, 1:09:22.439 --> 1:09:24.479 So that's the kind of energy he had. He didn't 1:09:24.479 --> 1:09:27.640 want to run from no matchup, you know. And he 1:09:27.760 --> 1:09:30.040 was about this this he was all all about this 1:09:30.120 --> 1:09:33.479 hoop ship. And he was the quiet guy. I was 1:09:33.479 --> 1:09:36.120 a loud guy. So we were kind of you know, 1:09:36.200 --> 1:09:41.000 we even though we came from completely different worlds, we 1:09:41.120 --> 1:09:43.599 mashed like we were brother we're still brothers to this day, 1:09:44.000 --> 1:09:46.120 and that's something I'm proud of. It's like, Yo, it's 1:09:46.160 --> 1:09:51.759 not about I'm proud of our brotherhood with those teams. 1:09:51.800 --> 1:09:54.120 You know, like Luall Dang, shout out Luall Dang. All 1:09:54.160 --> 1:09:56.760 the work that he's doing in South Sakdan president of 1:09:56.800 --> 1:09:58.720 his country in basketball. 1:09:58.760 --> 1:10:01.719 They just qualified for the World Cup doing real, real, 1:10:01.920 --> 1:10:07.599 real real ship shot him up d Rose too. 1:10:07.640 --> 1:10:10.080 It's like just to see the ship that he went through, 1:10:10.840 --> 1:10:13.479 the adversity that he went through with his injuries, and 1:10:13.560 --> 1:10:16.600 just to see him at peace with the game the 1:10:16.640 --> 1:10:18.840 way you know, his role as a OG with the 1:10:18.920 --> 1:10:21.960 younger guys, like that goes a long way. Like he's 1:10:21.960 --> 1:10:25.479 not playing as much now, seeing him just being there, 1:10:25.560 --> 1:10:29.920 being supportive, being there with the guys, and you know 1:10:29.960 --> 1:10:31.559 the guys are looking at like, Yo, if he can 1:10:31.600 --> 1:10:33.920 handle it and handle his ship like a like a 1:10:34.000 --> 1:10:38.320 man and handle his adversity like a man. Yo, They 1:10:38.600 --> 1:10:40.639 the guys on the knicks are seeing that every day. 1:10:40.720 --> 1:10:45.000 That goes a long way. So you know, I appreciate 1:10:45.800 --> 1:10:48.120 that guy, not just as a hooper and the greatness 1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:50.080 that he was as a hooper, but the way he's 1:10:50.080 --> 1:10:51.439 handling his ship. 1:10:51.920 --> 1:10:53.280 He shocked he's still in the league. 1:10:56.040 --> 1:10:58.960 Yeah, nothing shocks me with that guy. Nothing shocks me 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:01.599 with that guy. But I just like, I like his mindset. 1:11:01.640 --> 1:11:04.120 You know, I think that people in his position there's 1:11:04.320 --> 1:11:07.679 there could be a lot of He could be bitter 1:11:07.920 --> 1:11:13.280 about a lot of shit because you know, the injuries 1:11:13.360 --> 1:11:17.920 probably robbed him of some of his greatness. But to 1:11:18.000 --> 1:11:21.000 see him at peace with it is what I'm the most. 1:11:20.880 --> 1:11:22.479 Happy because that's my brother. At the end of the day, 1:11:22.560 --> 1:11:23.479 win to lose, I don't give it. 1:11:23.600 --> 1:11:27.320 It's more about seeing him happy. That's what I care about. 1:11:27.439 --> 1:11:30.599 Love that, that's what's up. And I'm not. I look 1:11:30.600 --> 1:11:34.400 at bro as lord great and when you're great, you 1:11:34.520 --> 1:11:37.360 just don't put that out It just don't go nowhere. 1:11:37.400 --> 1:11:39.360 You know you're great for a reason. It's a lot 1:11:39.400 --> 1:11:41.960 of times in between what's between your ears, you know 1:11:42.000 --> 1:11:43.960 what I'm saying. So when I watch him play the 1:11:44.040 --> 1:11:46.040 other night, Tims threw him in there. Tim and Tims 1:11:46.040 --> 1:11:49.080 still together, by the way, right, they gonna they gonna 1:11:49.080 --> 1:11:52.080 go forever. Right when I've seen Tims threw him in 1:11:52.120 --> 1:11:54.080 there for like two seconds, he got the joint through 1:11:54.080 --> 1:11:57.400 the lib like it was just I'm just in Central Park. 1:11:57.840 --> 1:12:00.800 I'm just chilling like, yeah, man, make shout to d 1:12:00.920 --> 1:12:02.759 ros Mamber huge, huge d rolls. 1:12:02.920 --> 1:12:04.599 It's not over. It's not over either. 1:12:05.160 --> 1:12:09.000 Keep it going, b Tis Tis Tims might not be 1:12:09.040 --> 1:12:10.759 playing him right now, but he might be somewhere. 1:12:10.960 --> 1:12:11.880 No, you never know. 1:12:12.240 --> 1:12:14.519 Listen, it's good to have him right there where you 1:12:14.560 --> 1:12:17.120 can put him in there. Ain't he ready, he's sitting there. 1:12:17.360 --> 1:12:20.000 You know what I'm saying. On go so yeah, shout 1:12:20.000 --> 1:12:23.400 to d ros Man. It's my dog man. I gotta 1:12:23.400 --> 1:12:25.160 ask you just, bro, would you ever get into coaching? 1:12:25.920 --> 1:12:27.800 He no, have no. 1:12:28.920 --> 1:12:31.080 I'm saying it's like you got a lot of knowledge, Bro. 1:12:31.320 --> 1:12:33.599 You got a lot of energy, you got a lot 1:12:33.600 --> 1:12:36.360 of vision, you got a lot of knowledge. Man, you 1:12:36.400 --> 1:12:38.679 gotta some of that ship. You know what I'm saying. 1:12:38.920 --> 1:12:40.679 I know it's I heard you just say you got married, 1:12:40.840 --> 1:12:42.479 if you got kids with at some point you gotta 1:12:42.520 --> 1:12:44.680 pass this down. And I'm sure you do this to 1:12:44.680 --> 1:12:46.639 when you know dealer with your you know your African 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:49.160 teams and everybody else. But I want to know that 1:12:49.200 --> 1:12:51.080 would you go back to Florida, take a take a 1:12:51.120 --> 1:12:52.120 coaching job, or would you. 1:12:53.200 --> 1:12:54.080 I don't mean there's. 1:12:53.880 --> 1:12:58.880 Too much politics and coaching, you know. I actually I coached. 1:12:58.520 --> 1:13:05.200 All Star game, the rookie Sophomore game, and there was 1:13:05.240 --> 1:13:08.400 a kid on Houston and I didn't play him at 1:13:08.400 --> 1:13:09.880 the end of the game, and he should have. 1:13:10.080 --> 1:13:11.280 I mean, it was an All Star game. 1:13:11.560 --> 1:13:14.640 But I got competitive and I was like trying to 1:13:14.680 --> 1:13:18.599 win the game. I leave, I leave the arena and 1:13:18.680 --> 1:13:21.160 I see he's walking with. 1:13:21.160 --> 1:13:24.080 His grandma and I'm like, oh, ship. 1:13:24.040 --> 1:13:26.720 And Grandma comes to me, how you not this is 1:13:26.720 --> 1:13:28.639 the All Star Game. You should be ashamed of yourself. 1:13:28.640 --> 1:13:29.519 You don't play my son. 1:13:30.000 --> 1:13:32.240 And I was like, my grandma, you know what, You're right. 1:13:32.680 --> 1:13:34.800 I should have played. It was an all Star game. 1:13:34.960 --> 1:13:39.679 And he's like, Grandma, chill, Grandma chill, And I should 1:13:39.680 --> 1:13:41.160 have you know, I should have put him at the 1:13:41.240 --> 1:13:43.360 It was the All Star game. Everybody deserved to play 1:13:43.600 --> 1:13:44.559 in the All Star Game. 1:13:44.600 --> 1:13:48.880 But that's the kind of man. That shit fucked me up, though, He. 1:13:48.960 --> 1:13:52.679 Just fucked me up, Like, dang, grandma, you tell grandma 1:13:52.720 --> 1:13:54.880 you're trying to win that motherfucker Grandma trying to win it. 1:13:54.920 --> 1:14:02.200 That's drove right right, We got right in your ship. 1:14:02.240 --> 1:14:04.320 You know what I'm saying, What's next for you? 1:14:04.360 --> 1:14:04.559 Man? 1:14:05.360 --> 1:14:08.240 What's next for me? Mean, I gotta throw this before 1:14:08.240 --> 1:14:10.120 you even answer that. My bad not to cut you off, 1:14:10.120 --> 1:14:14.240 excuse me, but Bro, you got a personality. Bro, you 1:14:14.240 --> 1:14:18.479 have a fuck with content podcast. Man, what's what's next 1:14:18.479 --> 1:14:18.800 for you? 1:14:19.760 --> 1:14:22.679 Look, that's another reason why I'm here. You know, I'm 1:14:22.680 --> 1:14:25.479 trying to figure it out. You know, I got my 1:14:25.560 --> 1:14:27.960 purpose work in order. I know a lot of my 1:14:28.120 --> 1:14:30.560 energy is going to go on that. But at the 1:14:30.640 --> 1:14:32.360 end of the day, I love what you're doing right now. 1:14:33.600 --> 1:14:36.200 You know the content is you know, it's the future, 1:14:36.760 --> 1:14:38.439 you know, because we need it. 1:14:38.479 --> 1:14:38.639 Man. 1:14:38.680 --> 1:14:41.760 It's like there's too much bullshit on the internet. You know, 1:14:41.840 --> 1:14:44.280 we need to have the ogs come in there speak 1:14:44.320 --> 1:14:45.439 their truth and you. 1:14:45.320 --> 1:14:47.120 Know, give it. Give the guy. This is a this 1:14:47.200 --> 1:14:48.720 is a great platform. 1:14:48.760 --> 1:14:50.600 I'm just like really happy to be here and be 1:14:50.680 --> 1:14:53.120 able to talk about this stuff. I'm hearing people talking 1:14:53.160 --> 1:14:55.960 about things that wasn't their story. This is our this 1:14:56.040 --> 1:14:58.360 is there is a moment that happened between me and you, 1:14:58.840 --> 1:15:02.559 So being able to talk about this, I think it 1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:04.920 goes a long way, and it's just bigger than what 1:15:05.080 --> 1:15:08.080 happened between the lines, So I'm not really happy we 1:15:08.080 --> 1:15:11.200 were able to do this because to me, this is 1:15:11.200 --> 1:15:11.960 what it's all about. 1:15:14.439 --> 1:15:15.240 That's not respect. 1:15:15.640 --> 1:15:16.719 That was great. That was great. 1:15:16.880 --> 1:15:17.400 That was great. 1:15:18.040 --> 1:15:21.320 Certified for real, certified, ain't no outro man certified