1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: M Taking a Walk nash Hi, everyone, this is Sarah Harrelson, 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: your host of Taking a Walk Nashville. I want to 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: thank everyone who has been tuning into the podcast and 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: I hope everyone's new year is going great. Please leave 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: us a review or rating if you are enjoying the show. 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: Here with me today is Jamie Harris. She is a 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: Texas born Folk Americana singer songwriter that grew up in 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: a small town outside of Waco. 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: She has released. 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: Three albums, has been a background studio vocalist for Mini Artist, 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: and has written songs for artists such as Ray Wiley, Hubbard, 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: Sam Williams. And her partner Mary Gosha join me in 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: our conversation as we discuss her thriving career here in Nashville. 14 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: Welcome to Taking a Walk Nashville with your hosts singer 15 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 3: songwriter Sarah Harrelson. 16 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: Hi, Jamie, thank you so much for being on Taking 17 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: a Walk Nashville today. You have a ton of tour 18 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: dates coming up this year with your partner Mary Goshe. 19 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: Are you excited for your upcoming shows? 20 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 4: I love being on the road. 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 5: I'm really built for it, Like I was kind of 22 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 5: a wild animal and there's something about the container of 23 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 5: the road. You know, you wake up in a different 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 5: place every day, and there's like I love that. It 25 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 5: still excites me because I grew up in a small 26 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 5: town outside of Waco, and now Wac is I was 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 5: just there for the holidays. It's a completely different place 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 5: than where I grew up. There's a lot to do, 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 5: a lot going on, but I kind of grew up 30 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 5: there going like I can't wait to see the world, 31 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 5: and now I can't believe that my job allows me 32 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 5: to do that almost every day of the year. 33 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 4: So I'm built for it. I love it. I'm ready 34 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 4: to get back out there. 35 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 36 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: Well, it's got to be so special being able to 37 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: explore different cities with your partner, because a lot of musicians, 38 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, they hit the road, they leave their family 39 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: back at home. So it's just has to be so 40 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: wonderful sharing the stage with your partner almost every day. 41 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 4: It's incredible. 42 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 5: If you had told me, like eight years ago that 43 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 5: I would end up with a musician, I would. 44 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 4: Have told you no way. 45 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 5: Songwriter was like, absolutely not, There's no way that I'm 46 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 5: going to end up with a songwriter. 47 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 4: And it turns out it's the best thing. 48 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: So wow, that's amazing. Yeah, you can find all of 49 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: your upcoming tour dates on your website. I want to 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: talk about your latest album, Boomerang Town. This derives from 51 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: nostalgia you felt during the pandemic and explores family, addiction, 52 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: and just ties that bind us together. Would you say 53 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: you learned more about yourself and your own connection to 54 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: faith when you were writing this album. 55 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. It's been my experience. 56 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 5: That the songs are always ahead of me, so like 57 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 5: it it's a mysterious thing, but the song always seemed 58 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 5: to be ahead of me, and I think kind of 59 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 5: where I was was a lot of this record. This 60 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 5: record took me a long time to write. I think 61 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 5: the seeds for this record were planted in twenty sixteen, 62 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 5: twenty seventeen, and there was a lot swirling around. And 63 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 5: part of it was that I got sober in twenty fourteen, 64 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 5: and I had grown up and was very into this 65 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 5: kind of Southern Baptist world. That was my whole community, 66 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 5: it was my whole social life. Like that's where I 67 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 5: really learned how to build a great set list, to 68 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 5: create intense emotion. I mean, there was so much that 69 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 5: I learned in that universe and I'm grateful for but 70 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 5: eventually that wasn't working for me, and when I got 71 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 5: into twelve step recovery, I had to find something that 72 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 5: was bigger than myself to surrender to in order to 73 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 5: help me get sober. And so I think I did 74 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 5: like lean on some of the things that I learned 75 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 5: in that community that I came from initially, And there 76 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 5: was a lot going on in twenty sixteen twenty seventeen 77 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 5: where there was kind of this discussion about like the 78 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 5: Christians did this, they did, and I started to feel 79 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 5: really conflicted about that, like my mom doesn't think that way, 80 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 5: my mom doesn't vote that way, she doesn't believe that way. 81 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 5: And so I felt a responsibility to kind of articulate 82 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 5: my experience with rediscovering my faith, but without. 83 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 4: I don't know how to discribe. This is why I'm 84 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 4: a better songwriter than anything. The song speak better than 85 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 4: I can. 86 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 5: But I felt like a responsibility to kind of not defend, 87 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 5: but to explain the world that I came from and 88 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 5: how that what it's like to look through that lens, 89 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 5: and also what it's like to maybe shake some of 90 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 5: that off and come back to it as in a 91 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 5: more independent thinking adult. 92 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure so many other people can relate to 93 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: that going through the same thing, because there's other people 94 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: who maybe feel a little bit different. And especially in 95 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, small town in Texas southern Baptist community, they 96 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: don't always embrace you or embrace who you are. So 97 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: did you feel struggles with that when you were especially 98 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: when you were writing these songs. 99 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 4: I mean, it's funny. I mean I felt so I 100 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 4: was so a part of that community. I mean I 101 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 4: really it was my entire world. 102 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 5: And then when I started drinking, I mean, I was 103 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 5: like a really well behaved kid because it was cool, 104 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 5: like to fit in where I grew up. It was 105 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 5: cool to go to church like five days a week. 106 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 5: It was cool to go to retreats and come back 107 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 5: wearing the matching T shirt and all of that, and 108 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 5: so like I embraced that. And then it wasn't until 109 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 5: I started, like, you know, drinking really heavily, and people 110 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 5: were really using social media like instead of reaching out 111 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 5: to me, like commenting on things, and I went, wait 112 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 5: a minute, that's weird that this feels performative. And so 113 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 5: I started to feel like really hurt by that like, wait, 114 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 5: why wouldn't these people reach out to me directly instead 115 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 5: of you know, so, I don't know. I mean, I 116 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 5: just felt like I've learned so much from Mary and 117 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 5: particularly her work with the veterans, the power of telling 118 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 5: a story from behind the eyes of one narrator, Like 119 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 5: I'm sure she's mentioned it about a lot. That's like 120 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 5: you can't talk about the war because it's too big, 121 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 5: but you can tell the story from behind the eyes 122 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 5: of one narrator. And so I've learned a lot by 123 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 5: listening to her every night, watching her teach. We teach 124 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 5: songwriting together quite a bit, and so it was like 125 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 5: that song boomerang down the title track, I try to 126 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 5: write that song from the perspective of so many different people. 127 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 5: I started with myself. I tried it from the perspective 128 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 5: of a waitress that worked at a diner. And then 129 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 5: it turns out the best way to tell that story, 130 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 5: which was really the story of where I grew up, 131 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 5: which is so personal to me, was from behind the 132 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 5: eyes of the seventeen year old boy. And that's what 133 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 5: I love about songwriting. This, like the mysterious nature of that, 134 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 5: Like what perspective is going to get me the closest 135 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 5: to generating empathy, which is really what I'm up to 136 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 5: as a songwriter. 137 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 138 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's wonderful and a great point that 139 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: songs can be written in so many different perspectives. And 140 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: you note that your father was responsible for your musical education, 141 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: taking you to Austin City Limits where you had a 142 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: life changing moment seeing Emmy Lou Harris, Patty Griffin, and 143 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: Buddy and Julie Miller performing all at once on stage together. 144 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: Was this what kind of led you from moving from 145 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: Texas to Nashville. 146 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 4: It's funny. 147 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 5: I hadn't thought about that that all of those people 148 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 5: that I so associate with that Texas moment, except for Patty, 149 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 5: live in Nashville. No, but that's I mean, I wasn't 150 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 5: even thinking ahead of that. Actually, because of that situation. 151 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 5: My dream was to move to Austin, where Austin City 152 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 5: Limits was, you know, where a lot of the songwriters 153 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 5: being from Texas that I respected, had spent a lot of. 154 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 4: Time in or made their home. That was really my dream. 155 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 5: The Nashville moved for me didn't come later until I 156 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 5: realized I needed to get closer to the business in 157 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 5: order to move forward as a songwriter. But what that 158 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 5: did that show that made me become a songwriter? Like 159 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 5: I loved Demilou Harris from the time I was five. 160 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 5: I heard her voice and I went, whatever that is, 161 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 5: I want to do that. But it wasn't until I 162 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 5: saw Patty that I said, wait, what are these songs like? 163 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 5: And how the sound of like the combination of Buddy 164 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 5: Miller's very unique, like kind of rock and roll guitar 165 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 5: married with that folk sensibility that like I don't know 166 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 5: if we were using the term Americana yet or if 167 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 5: we were still in the alt country no depression phase, 168 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 5: but that screw the light bulb then for me, I went, 169 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 5: that's exactly what I'm drawn to, and I want to 170 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 5: try to write music like that. 171 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 4: And a week later I wrote my first song. 172 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 5: Wow. 173 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: And did you shortly move to Nashville or what made 174 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: you want to make the transition to Nashville? 175 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 4: That's funny. 176 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 5: So I love living in Austin and I am such 177 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 5: a Texan that I really that's in my blood stream. 178 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 4: I really miss it a lot. 179 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 5: I still find a lot of creative energy and Texas. 180 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 4: But I had this. 181 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 5: Job where I worked for a doctor who looks like 182 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 5: d Sneyder. He was an amazing boss. He loves music 183 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 5: and he really didn't like to work. So I only 184 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 5: had to physically be in the office Tuesday through Wednesday 185 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 5: from ten to six, which was like with an hour 186 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 5: and a half lunch. It was the most chill job 187 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 5: day job for a musician because it gave me the weekends. 188 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 5: And I had started to something had started. 189 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 4: To change in Austin. 190 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 5: I realized people that I didn't know were coming to 191 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 5: my gigs, like there was a new energy. And I 192 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 5: was like, oh, I'm collecting. People are coming not because 193 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 5: they know me, but because they're connecting to the music. 194 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 5: I was the only person that worked in my office, 195 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 5: and so I knew there's going to be something that's 196 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 5: going to give me the signal that I need to 197 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 5: train somebody and get out of here. And I think 198 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 5: it was in twenty might have been twenty seventeen twenty sixteen. 199 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 5: This a wonderful artist named Kevin Russell. He was in 200 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 5: a band called The Gourds and now he's in a 201 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 5: band called Shiny Ribs, which is such a fun band. 202 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 5: I has like two background singers. It's just a big party. 203 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 5: It's such a fun band, and I love Kevin. One 204 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 5: of the background singers in that band had left, and 205 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 5: he asked me if I could join the band, and 206 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 5: I said, I can't, like I've got this job. But 207 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 5: that was the signal to me that I needed to 208 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 5: train somebody and leave. And Austin had gotten really expensive. 209 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 5: It was a very expensive place to live still is, 210 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 5: and I thought to myself, there's no way I'm going 211 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 5: to be able to afford to live here my first 212 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 5: year as a full time musician. And then I started 213 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 5: looking at the map. I'd really considered Tulsa. I knew 214 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 5: I kind of had to get out of Texas just 215 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 5: so I could drive around in my little Honda to 216 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 5: play gigs and like, you know, do the thing where 217 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 5: I'm building my audience. But then I realized, well, you know, 218 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 5: Nashville's in the center of the country, and the business 219 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 5: is here, and it would really benefit me to learn 220 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 5: the business because I was starting to meet some people 221 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 5: in the industry, and I thought, I see the benefit 222 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 5: of being physically closer. So I'd put in the notice 223 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 5: at my job. I'd put in the notice with my landlord, 224 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,119 Speaker 5: and then in the middle of that Mary and I 225 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 5: collided and became a couple, and so then it made 226 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 5: the decision to move to Nashville, like the easiest decision 227 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 5: in the world. 228 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like that you bring up how you 229 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: know Nashville is very central and a lot of people 230 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: move here because within an eight hour radius you can 231 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: hit so many cities and play gigs and tour. 232 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 4: Yeah. 233 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 5: I mean, and even the airport is such a hub 234 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 5: you can. I mean I would probably be too tired 235 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 5: and not cool enough to do it, but you could 236 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 5: technically fly to London and play a show the same day. 237 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 4: I mean it's insane. 238 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 239 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: Some of your songs like how Could You Be Gone? 240 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: They evoke themes of grief and addiction. And you wrote 241 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: this song with your partner Mary. How did you meet Marion? 242 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: Did you both instantly click with your backgrounds and your style? 243 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 4: It's funny. 244 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 5: We met at a songwriting workshop at Eliza Gilkisson's house 245 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 5: in Taos, New Mexico, and I had just lost my mentor, 246 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 5: a singer songwriter named Jimmy. 247 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 4: Lefaith, who died of a. 248 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 5: Rare form of cancer, a rare form of sarcoma. I 249 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 5: recently learned the same sarcoma that Kate McGarrigle died of, 250 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 5: so rufus and Martha's mother. Yeah, and I was just 251 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 5: really in a deep period of grief when I showed 252 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 5: up at that workshop, and apparently Mary gave a songwriting 253 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 5: prompt and I came back in ninety minutes with a 254 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 5: song that she said kind of like made her go 255 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 5: wait uh oh. 256 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 4: But for me, it wasn't immediate. 257 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 5: I was just there, you know, having a good time 258 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 5: as a student, you know, enjoying being around three of 259 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 5: my heroes, you know, Gretchen Peters, Eliza Gilkisson and Mary, 260 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 5: and it's fun those I was struggling with the record 261 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 5: I was making at the time. I was facing a lot. 262 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 5: It was my first album. I've been playing music since 263 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 5: I was twelve, but I never made a record. So 264 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 5: I was dealing with the world of that and how 265 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 5: do I navigate this and how do I find my 266 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,119 Speaker 5: voice as a woman in this situation? 267 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 4: And here I have these, like this. 268 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 5: Coven of incredible female songwriters that knew that my mentor 269 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 5: had died, and they kind of swept in and said, hey, 270 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 5: we're going to help you with this. 271 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 4: Call us if you need us, We're going to check 272 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 4: on you. 273 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 5: And so Mary was calling to check in on me, 274 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 5: and it was few and far between, but you know, 275 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 5: we connected and mostly we just talked about what was 276 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 5: going on with my record, and then I remember it 277 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 5: was Towns van Zant's birthday at the Cactus Cafe. We 278 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 5: were doing a tribute to Towns on March seventh, and 279 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 5: it's thrown by my friend who is a genius songwriter 280 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 5: named Butch Hancock. But Butch is like, not really a 281 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 5: list guy. He's like he lives in another universe. So 282 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 5: the way it works is you sign up and you 283 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 5: have no idea when you're going to play. So I'm 284 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 5: standing at the bar with my friend Graham and he 285 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 5: sees He's like, hey, Mary Goshe is calling you, and 286 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 5: I said, yeah, I know, I'll call her back, and 287 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 5: he's like, I think you should probably answer When Mary 288 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,599 Speaker 5: Gosche's I said okay, and so I stepped out and 289 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 5: I talked to her and we were just talking about 290 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 5: business stuff, and then I said, hey, I'm so sorry. 291 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 5: I'm loving this conversation, but I'm in the middle of 292 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 5: this thing that's kind of chaotic, and I got to 293 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 5: go back in there, so can I call you back? 294 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 5: And she said, oh, yeah, I'm on the road for 295 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 5: three weeks, but you can call me after I get back. 296 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 5: And I said, okay, hung up the phone, and it 297 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 5: felt like an arrow got shot in my gut by Cupid, 298 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 5: and I went, I don't want to wait three weeks 299 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 5: to talk to her, like, oh, oh, no, I'm in 300 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 5: love with Mary Goshe, Like I can't in love with 301 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 5: Mary Gosche. 302 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 4: That's insane. 303 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 5: And so I came back and my friend Graham was 304 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 5: like he could see by my face like what happened? 305 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 5: I said, oh oh, And it took another couple of 306 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 5: months for us to get together. It was really slow. 307 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 5: So basically from the time that we met, it was 308 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 5: almost a year from the time we met to the 309 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 5: time we got together. 310 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 311 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, Now you're writing songs together and performing together as 312 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: to be so special. What was it like working on 313 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: the Christmas single Light of the Stable with Jared Tyler 314 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: and Amy Helm. 315 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 4: Oh that was so fun. 316 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 5: So my friend Jared Tyler, a wonderful singer songwriter who 317 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 5: lives in Tulsa, Oklahoma. 318 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 4: I just went to hang out with him in July. 319 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 5: I was rolling through town and playing a gig, and 320 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 5: I just love spending time with him, and he's one 321 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 5: of my favorite people just to sit around and play 322 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 5: songs with, which I think is something that as I've 323 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 5: made music my job, that I don't do as often. 324 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 5: That's another reason why I love going down to Turnlingua 325 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 5: for New Year's Eve hanging out at Jimmy Dale Gilmour's 326 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 5: house because it's just a bunch of musicians and the 327 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 5: guitargets passed around and it feels like kind of when 328 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 5: I started playing music just for the fun of playing music, 329 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 5: and Jared and I have that kind of relationship. We 330 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 5: just sit around and play songs and he's one of 331 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 5: the only people that can match my like nearly psychotic 332 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 5: fandom of Emmy Luwer. 333 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 4: So we're just jamming. 334 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 5: I said, hey, we're talking about this Christmas song because 335 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 5: that's the song that I heard that made me want 336 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 5: to sing, and I later found out it's like Neil Young. 337 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 5: I think Linda Ronstadt and Dolly Pardon are the background 338 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 5: vocals on that record, so it's like four icons of 339 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 5: American music all in one song. And I guess sort 340 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 5: of Canadian for Neil, but you know, so we just 341 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 5: started sitting around playing it, and he has a little 342 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 5: studio in his house. He said, hey, what if we 343 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 5: just recorded this? And I said sure, and so we 344 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 5: just spent the afternoon in July recording this Christmas song 345 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 5: and he sent it back to me and I said, oh, 346 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 5: I just spent a lot of time with Amy Helm 347 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 5: of course, lee Von's daughter who helps run the barn 348 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 5: in Woodstock, and she is just a blast and her 349 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 5: voice is like otherworldly, and I love her percussion as well. 350 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 5: So after Jared and I put that together, I said, hey, Amy, 351 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 5: I think we're actually going to do something with this song. 352 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 5: Will you sing on it? And she said yeah, and 353 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 5: she said can I play on it too? 354 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 4: Absolutely? So that's how that whole thing came together. 355 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 5: And it's funny because I had kind of forgotten because 356 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 5: I really remember the hanging out with Jared thing, but 357 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 5: I forgot that I flew it to Amy and so 358 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 5: I was listening to it a couple months ago. I 359 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 5: guess right before we entered the holiday season. I went, 360 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 5: I didn't sing that. That part is way too cool, 361 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 5: and I went, oh yeah, Amy. 362 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a beautiful version of that song. 363 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 5: Thank you it's like kind of intimidating. I almost felt weird, 364 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 5: like we were. Mary and I got to work on 365 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 5: this thing called Kamo, which is a floating music festival 366 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 5: on a cruise ship, and Emmy Lou Harris was on 367 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 5: that cruise and they pump in, you know, different songs 368 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 5: of the artists, like if You're eating, if You're hanging 369 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 5: outside in between shows on the big speaker, and they 370 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 5: kept playing even though it was February, my version of 371 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 5: that song, and I was. 372 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 4: Like, I don't want her to hear it. That's nervist, you. 373 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: Know, that's funny. 374 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to be so much fun collaborating with 375 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: different artists on different songs. 376 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: And you know, you have a. 377 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: Busy schedule on the road this year, but are you. 378 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: Working on any new music this year? 379 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 4: I am. 380 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 5: I just made a record in Oklahoma. We made it 381 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 5: at a farmhouse owned by Steve Ripley, who I was 382 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 5: unaware of, but he was in a band called the 383 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 5: Tractors that was beloved. 384 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 4: He played with Bob Dylan. 385 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 5: It was totally a hole in my musical knowledge that 386 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 5: I'm happy to have filled. And he died of cancer 387 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 5: a few years ago, but his wife, Charlene runs this 388 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 5: which is beautiful because she brings in her dog and 389 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 5: you get to pet the dog, she makes collects eggs 390 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 5: from the chickens, and she makes you breakfast in the morning. 391 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 4: It was just a great experience and me. 392 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 5: And my friends, including John Fulbright, another great singer songwriter. 393 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 5: It was basically John and his band were the band 394 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 5: for this record, and we all lived in the farmhouse 395 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 5: together for a week while we made it, so it 396 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 5: was kind of like folk summer camp. And so we're 397 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 5: working on mixing that record right now and it's it'll 398 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 5: come out this year twenty twenty six. 399 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, we are looking forward to that. 400 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 4: Amy. 401 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: My last question for you, I always ask my guests 402 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 1: this we're on taking a walk Nashville. Do you have 403 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: a favorite place you like to take a walk here 404 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: in Nashville. 405 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 5: I love Percy Warner Park. That Red Trail is like, 406 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 5: no matter how many times I do, it is so hard. 407 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Mary's answer. 408 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 5: Well, I like being from Texas, like I have very 409 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 5: little experience with seasons, and so in the pandemic, we 410 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 5: go out there like every day and walk because we 411 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 5: could get outside right And I was blown away by 412 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 5: watching the seasons change. First of all, I've never been 413 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 5: in one place long enough to really see seasons, you know, 414 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 5: But I mean every day the forest is miraculously different. 415 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 5: Like you'd walk by a spot and there's all these 416 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 5: mushrooms that weren't there at the day before. 417 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 4: I loved that. It's a really beautiful experience, very meditative 418 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 4: out there. But I've just become a runner. 419 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 5: I'm training for my first marathon right now, and so 420 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 5: a lot of times I'll just run in a cab 421 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 5: park because it's like a loop and at some point 422 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 5: you go, well, I have to finish the loop because 423 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 5: I have to get. 424 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 4: Back home, like I can't stop myself. 425 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 5: So I'm enjoying running out there, and and I'm enjoying 426 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 5: running and walking. I've always enjoyed walking, but this running 427 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 5: thing is really cool because I'm covering so much more 428 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 5: ground than I ever have before. 429 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 4: And that's a. 430 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 5: New way that I'm experiencing this town that I live in. 431 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 5: I had no idea there's a greenway right by where 432 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 5: we live. It'll take us like right by this cafe. 433 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 4: That I love. 434 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 5: I'm like, wow, I'm so it's always changing, But for running, 435 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 5: it's like I'm just getting to see so much of 436 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 5: the city and everywhere that we're visiting. 437 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 4: But Percy Warner is still the absolute best for a walk. 438 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 439 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: Well, even if you're training for a marathon, just running 440 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: that Red Trail gets you in so much shape. 441 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: It gets you ready for the hills. 442 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 4: I try. 443 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 5: You know, that's so funny you say that. I tried 444 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 5: that because I was feeling like really beastly, like I 445 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 5: got this and I was like, what was No, I'm 446 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 5: not at this level. 447 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 448 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: It definitely stops you in your track. So are you 449 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: doing a rock and roll marathon? 450 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 4: Your nash Austin Marathon? Actually? 451 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 5: Okay, Jemuary fifteenth, and my brother is going to run 452 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 5: it with me. I mean, he'll probably be way ahead 453 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 5: of me. He's a lot faster than me, but we're 454 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 5: going to do it together. 455 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, that'll be special. 456 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: You'll Yeah, training on the hills in Nashville will definitely 457 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: get you. 458 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 2: Prepared for that. 459 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: Thank you for being on Taking a Walk Nashville today. 460 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Thanks for listening to Taking a 461 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 3: Walk Nashville with Sarah Harrelson. Please check out our other 462 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 3: shows produced by Buzznight Media Productions. Comedy save Me and Music. 463 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 3: Save Me hosted by Lynn Hoffman and Take It a 464 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 3: Walk hosted by Yours Truly Buzznight. 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