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Speaker 1: How are you two gentlemen doing today. I'm doing just fine.

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Speaker 1: I just finished a show with the Cowboys Club where

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Speaker 1: we used to do this show right upstairs until everything

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Speaker 1: gets shuffled in twenty twenty. Can we just finish this year? Like,

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Speaker 1: just get through it, either that to get a redo.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it is. But good to be

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Speaker 1: with you guys. Good to be back on the show. Chris,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing? Doing great? And it's great to

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Speaker 1: be with you guys as well. And it's so crazy

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Speaker 1: what we find out with the latest technology because of

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Speaker 1: pandemic Zoom is the greatest stock you could ever have

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Speaker 1: if you have some stock in it, right, Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: look at it. We're all together sort of right. We've

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Speaker 1: got a lot going on tonight, so if something messes up,

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Speaker 1: it's my fault. I take responsibility. We've got a phone

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Speaker 1: call that's actually being routed through the mics and the

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Speaker 1: We've got a zoom call. We're all looking at each other,

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Speaker 1: but I'm looking at Mickey straight across from me, and

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Speaker 1: we have on the phone a very very special guest.

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Speaker 1: They just keep getting better and better every week, joining

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Speaker 1: us on this I guess call video chat whatever we

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Speaker 1: want to call it, The great ed two Tall Jones.

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Speaker 1: How are you tonight? Oh good, get in the gas? Hey, hey, good?

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Speaker 1: Do you have you? An said, it's been a while, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is all right, So let's just get right into it.

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Speaker 1: What did we see? Mick? I'll start with you, what

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Speaker 1: what did you see Sunday? Well? I saw a lot

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Speaker 1: turnovers in this NFL, it's not a way to go.

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Speaker 1: And they turned the ball over a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: And then from a defensive standpoint, you had too many

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Speaker 1: you gotta get a little bit tighter, ed, what what

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Speaker 1: do you see out of this Cowboys team? What'd you

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Speaker 1: see Sunday? If you if you got a chance to

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Speaker 1: watch all three games, and on Sunday I agree with Mickey.

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Speaker 1: I saw a team making a lot of mistakes at

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Speaker 1: team that needed training Campus of Dallas Cowboys. Anytime you're

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Speaker 1: And Chris, you brought up last segment them starting the

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Speaker 1: What are you seeing? The guy's got a chance to

431
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Speaker 1: talk to the assistant coaches back in February on a

432
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: Meet the Assistant Coaches day, So I spent a, oh,

433
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, about a half hour talking to Bones

434
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: Fossil about what he was going to do differently with

435
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: the special teams because last year's specialist teams were like

436
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: one of the third either the worst or the third

437
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: worst specialist teams group in the NFL, and it was

438
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: just terrible. So he was saying one of the things

439
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: he was gonna do is not have them look at

440
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: a playbook. He was not going to have a special

441
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: team's playbook at all. He was just going to ask

442
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: them their strengths and then have them do reps of stuff. Now,

443
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: the pandemic affected all of that, but at the same time,

444
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: there were some plays I thought they were clever, like

445
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: the fake punt that should have been a pat or

446
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: the past that didn't turn into a completion. Had they

447
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: executed that properly, that would have been a great play. Now,

448
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: I didn't like the run up the middle on fourth down,

449
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: the fake punt on that one, but I think he

450
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: has some great ideas. You already know about the watermelon

451
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: on side kick that Zerline had in his bag of

452
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: tricks that worked out exceptionally that won the game for

453
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: him against you know, against the Atlanta Falcons. So they've

454
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: had some moments, but I think it's pure execution. But

455
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: I hate to blame it on the pandemic, But how

456
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: many reps have are these guys getting when a lot

457
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: of them are playing defense and offense ed? Do you

458
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: like the aggressiveness that the special teams coach has been

459
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: calling plays with the first three games? Uh, you want

460
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: the truth a lot? You know what, no one's listening,

461
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: so just give us the truth. It's just me, you,

462
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: Mickey and Chris. Actually, actually, after you cleared your throat,

463
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: we got where you're going. Okay, to be honest, you know,

464
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: I lack his aggressiveness, aggressive play calling, and uh, I

465
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: lack the fact that he's a risk taker. I don't

466
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: like the results. But at the same time, you know,

467
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: later on in the season, you know, we might need

468
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: one of those plays, So I would never question his judgment.

469
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. Nick, what about you? Obviously

470
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: the Atlanta game, it's it's a fake punt and you

471
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: throw to a non receiver, you run up the middle

472
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: with a non running back. Did you have an issue

473
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: with any of the the way they not only just

474
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: to play calls, but the you know, the personnel that

475
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: they used for those plays. You know, I understood the

476
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: first fake punt, Uh, they needed to steal a possession.

477
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: He needed they needed to do something to jump start

478
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: the team. There they were they needed, uh, like I said,

479
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: steal a possession. And actually it was it was well designed. Uh.

480
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: You know, Chris Jones came up just a little short

481
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: on the throw, and then when C. J. Goodwin turned

482
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: to go and get the ball, he slips and falls.

483
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: You know, if he doesn't fall, he's got a chance

484
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: to catch it. And Chris could have thrown it probably

485
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: a little bit better, but as you saw, it was

486
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: wide open. It's a first down. Uh. So I didn't

487
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: have a problem with that. I thought they should have somehow,

488
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: the way the Falcons lined up for the second one,

489
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: somebody should have called it off. It was like, no,

490
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: we can't do this, you know. Uh, Ed, you know

491
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: what I was thinking. Uh you remember when Danny White

492
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: went for it, Danny no, no, Danny, no one. And

493
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: I was sitting there going no, Mike no no. Uh.

494
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: But you know, uh, those things they're always great when

495
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: they work, right, you know, and when they don't work,

496
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: it's like, well, what are you doing? You know, it's

497
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: like fourth and three, you know, what are you doing?

498
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: Well it didn't work, you go for two? And he

499
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's a little wordy to do that,

500
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, but if they work, you're a genius. So

501
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: I think from a special team standpoint ed, you may

502
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: know this. Uh. You know, like when Jimmy Johnson was there,

503
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: and I remember the one game they got really aggressive.

504
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: I think it was in ninety one against the Redskins

505
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: up there when they beat them, and Jimmy basically told

506
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: everybody before the game, look we're gonna be aggressive, you know,

507
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: and hate defense. We're gonna on site kick and it

508
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: may not work, but I don't want you to hang

509
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: your head just to go out there and stop them.

510
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: You know. Now it's on you. So you He kind

511
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: of warned everybody, and I think that's kind of how

512
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: the coaches have to do, is warned people and ed.

513
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but I'm guessing you might have been

514
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: on field goal block or special team to you play

515
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: special teams? Yes, I played, UM. I was on field

516
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: goal block, extra point block, and I was also the

517
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: tight end on field goal and and UM and extra

518
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: point so you were you were the blocking on on

519
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: on the extra points. So you wouldn't to let that

520
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: guy come in untouched on the left edge last last week. Right,

521
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: I can honestly say during my fifteen years, I've never

522
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: had a punt, uh, field goal or extra point blocked

523
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: on me. All right? Have you ever thought about ed?

524
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about playing fullback? Andwine Woods were

525
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: playing fullback and back in the day, Refrigerator Perry had

526
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: a touchdown in the Super Bowl playing running back. You

527
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: ever think about playing a running back and fullback? No?

528
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: Not not not heavy enough that you talk about some

529
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: big you those names you've mentioned there, I don't know

530
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: if you've ever met them in person or not. Pick

531
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: men um. I was disappointed. Coach Landry never ran more.

532
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: Mike Dicker actually, who was our special team coach the

533
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: majority of my career, uh never ran more. Fake Uh

534
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: uh plays on on on field goals with with me

535
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: playing that left defensive, that left end. And uh I

536
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: started out in college as a tight end. Okay, so

537
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: I do have I have decent speed and in some

538
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: pretty good hands. So look at but uh, that's that's

539
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: that's the one that uh dicka. Let's slip back, let's

540
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: shift gears a little bit. Let's talk about Dak Chris.

541
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: Seems like Dak throughout his career, he's slowly been creeping up.

542
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: You know, the doubts were there in the beginning, and

543
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: it was as he a top you know, is he

544
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: a top twenty quarterback? Everybody you know in the last

545
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: couple of years is probably put him around thirteen fourteen.

546
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: Seems like this year he's leading the league in passing.

547
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: It seems like most of those haters are kind of

548
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: going away now. He's definitely a top ten quarterback. He's

549
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: been into that that top five you know conversation now,

550
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: and you got to see him go up in one

551
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: of the best, if not the best. That's sneaky good

552
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson he's not, you know, he's not Patrick

553
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: Mahomes and the no look passes and slinging it around.

554
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: But he wins ball games. And you look back at

555
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: the stat line and you're like, holy cow, I didn't

556
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: even realize he was doing all this. That's kind of

557
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: where Dak's getting his game to. What's your assessment, you know,

558
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: so far this year in his career progression. He's a

559
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: very smart quarterback. And the history of smart quarterbacks is

560
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: usually if they have some talent, they get better and

561
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: better because the game slows down for them. They start

562
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: reading defenses better. And Dak is such a smart quarterback.

563
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: He's got some tools. Now. No one says he's got

564
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: the great arm talent, like you know, like like Pet

565
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: Mahomes or or up there in Green Bay Aaron Rodgers.

566
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of fans that just consume with

567
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: arm talent. It's just got to be the arm talent.

568
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: You can't pay for anything unless it's arm talent. Well,

569
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler had armed talent, but I don't think Jay

570
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: Cutler commanded a locker room. I don't think he was

571
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: the big leader of his teams. With that being said,

572
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is a great leader and he is a

573
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: guy that works hard and studies the game. So to me,

574
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: just like Russell Wilson, Troy Agman used to say all

575
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: the time that Russell Wilson one of the smartest guys

576
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: he's ever interviewed. When he retired from playing football, he said,

577
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: this is a guy, is a brilliant guy. So smart guys,

578
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: if they got some talent and they focused on their craft,

579
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: they should get better. Dak is just getting better and

580
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: better and better. If you look at what he did

581
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: as Mississippi State. Dak his rookie season where they were

582
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: devising plays that were playing upon his strength at from college,

583
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: he was really good. They won eleven straight games. They

584
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: went thirteen and three, should have been twelve and four,

585
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: but they didn't care about that. Last game. The second

586
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: season was when they decided they're going to try to

587
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: make him a pocket passer and stay in the pocket.

588
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: And I think he was on the job training that season.

589
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: Whereas as a rookie, he was just going by what

590
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: they could throw at him. Um. That being said, he's

591
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: too smart not to be this good. That's why I'm

592
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: not surprised at how well he's playing. Ed what's your

593
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: assessment of Dak over his career and this season? Two

594
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: things really stand out, the fact that he's getting better

595
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: every year and number two, the fact that he's there

596
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: every week. People don't realize how important that is. Yes,

597
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: football the very tough game. He played a very tough position,

598
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: but he's he's there competing every week and if he

599
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: continued to get better, look look out. I mean, the

600
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: guy's a limit for this man. And also the fact

601
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: that Chris mentioned his leadership and the players seem to

602
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: follow him, which is so important. I mean, when during

603
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: the fifteen years that I played, and I could just

604
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: it was easy to detect quarterbacks that you had to

605
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: play play against that didn't really have the team the BA,

606
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: the team didn't have their backs. It's a big difference.

607
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: The offense for the Dallas Cowboys seem to have Dak's back,

608
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: and they're only gonna get a lot better if they

609
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: can just stay healthy at that offensive land can stay

610
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: healthy and Zeke's off to a slow start this year.

611
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: But I don't ever worry about Zeke. Zeke's gonna pick

612
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: it up and do a lot of good things. Yeah, Mick,

613
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, from just being around here, Dak does a

614
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: lot of the little things that you don't see on

615
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: the field. Like, you know, I remember when he first

616
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: came in the locker room and he first started became

617
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: the starter. He was in the locker room, like when

618
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: we would go in, a lot of the other guys

619
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: they would leave, go shower, go do whatever. They would

620
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: disappear when the media came in. But he was there.

621
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: He was talking to the guys. He would hang out,

622
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: he would sit there and take the questions from the media,

623
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: and even when the media was an interviewed him, he

624
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: would have side conversations and he was present and you

625
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: could tell that he just he was a guy's guy.

626
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: He was in there. What are some of the little

627
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: things or even things on the field that that Daks

628
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, he's sort of from a locker room standpoint,

629
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: sort of reminded me of how Troy Aikman carried himself

630
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: in the locker room. Troy. Troy didn't have any boundaries

631
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: meaning he didn't just hang out with the offensive guys.

632
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: You know, he could talk to the defensive guys. He

633
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: didn't just hang out with the running backs and the

634
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: wide receivers. He hung out with the offensive lineman. How

635
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: smart is that? Right? Who Who's who's got my back

636
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: you know or my butt? One of the two? And

637
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: and and so I see that with Dak, you know,

638
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: and you know he crosses. Uh. There's no no barriers

639
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: for him, black, white, yellow, whatever, you know. He he

640
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: identifies with all those players, and they like being around him,

641
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: you know. And that's key. Uh. And it's key when

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Speaker 1: you get in the games like that, like you're you're

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Speaker 1: you're trailing by fifteen with less than five minutes to

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Speaker 1: go against Atlanta, you know, and and he's in there.

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Speaker 1: And I think Zeke said it after that game, he said,

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Speaker 1: no matter what the score is, what the situation is,

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00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: Dak always thinks he can win. And think about what

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Speaker 1: he's had to overcome. And he's playing these last two

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Speaker 1: games without his starting offensive tackles, without the backup offensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: And then to make matters worse, if you're without your

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Speaker 1: top three offensive tackles, I'm guessing they think Terrence Steal

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Speaker 1: since he started at right tackle for LEL Collins when

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Speaker 1: before Tyrne Smith got hurt. He's the fourth guy and

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Speaker 1: now he's not there, and you're still throwing for four

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards in consecutive games, which no Cowboy

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Speaker 1: quarterback had ever done. So yeah, I think that just

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Speaker 1: says a lot about him that he's not sitting there

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00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: and making excuses that. You know, I got these two

659
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Speaker 1: guys that started two games trying to protect me and

660
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Speaker 1: one of them is trying to protect my blindside guy

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Speaker 1: and Ed. You know how important it is to have

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Speaker 1: uh quality offensive tackles going up some of the going

663
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Speaker 1: up against some of these defensive ends in this league.

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Speaker 1: Enough because I know anytime back doing my even when

665
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: I played when when one of that top lamb went out,

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00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: I mean all up and down the land, we were

667
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: licking our chok. We couldn't wait. I want that side right. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's take our last break and when we come back,

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Speaker 1: we'll just Chris, get your questions ready for two tall Mickey,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you got some good ones. I've got a

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Speaker 1: writing question from Nick Eatman that I that I need

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Speaker 1: to ask, So we'll do that after this last break.

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Speaker 1: For the last segment, you're listening to the Happy Hour

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Speaker 1: on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. Back to the s

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Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage Dallas Cowboys Happier broadcasting live from the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: SWBC dot com. So now we get to Pepper mister

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Speaker 1: Jones with some questions. But before we start doing that, Ed,

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00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: what what has ed too Tall Jones been up to lately?

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Speaker 1: What is it? What is a typical day or week

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Speaker 1: in the life of you? Like right now? Okay, it's

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Speaker 1: been slow and getting cut caught up on a lot

683
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: of things that put off for a long time. I'm

684
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: in the event playing in business along with some other

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00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: other real estate ventures, etc. But what I do, uh

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Speaker 1: required groups and Chris, you might remember the good old

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Speaker 1: days the concerts. Well yeah you would. You would come

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Speaker 1: to some of the shows that I was promoting, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But again it's you know, I can't complain. You know,

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00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: life been good for me and uh, I was able

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Speaker 1: to walk out of the game when I wanted to

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Speaker 1: and uh walk right into something that I wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: And it's been good for me. So it's just when

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Speaker 1: all this craziness is over, I do look forward to

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Speaker 1: getting back out there and and and uh being now

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Speaker 1: I'm some bushes. So so ED brought this up. I

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Speaker 1: got I gotta follow up with this because Ed brought

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Speaker 1: it up. And I was talking about this on the

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Speaker 1: radio on Monday night when I was with this thing

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Speaker 1: called Seed Stories Confidential. I've been knowing if since the

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Speaker 1: early eighties and way back, and I want to say

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Speaker 1: maybe eighty one. ED started promoting concerts, concerts and the

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Speaker 1: first time I've ever met Stevie Wonder was Ed brought

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Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder to the Cotton Boll Cotton and I got

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Speaker 1: to watch. That got me a backstage pass and I

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Speaker 1: watched Stevie perform on the stage. He brought in Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 1: ED was bringing in some big time concerts. And I

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Speaker 1: never did ask you this, but what got you into

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Speaker 1: the concert promoting business. I've been involved with music, you know,

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Speaker 1: from my father and my brother in law all my

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Speaker 1: life and even out of high school. While in high school, sorry,

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Speaker 1: I started promoting. And after I got with the college

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Speaker 1: and realized that if I stayed health, I had a

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Speaker 1: chance to maybe make it to the next level. One

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Speaker 1: of the things my coaches set me down and talk

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Speaker 1: to me about, and that was at the time, the

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Speaker 1: average player played four years, and mainly because at the time,

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Speaker 1: knee injuriesed be called of the chop block, which is

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Speaker 1: something I don't think should have ever been allowed, and

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Speaker 1: most injuries occurred in the fourth quarters. Or The thing

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Speaker 1: they told me was get involved in as many things

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Speaker 1: you can off the field, and even if you being

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Speaker 1: six nine, you're gonna be one of the guys that

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Speaker 1: career problem in less than five years. So I got

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Speaker 1: involved in many things as I could. But Chris, I

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Speaker 1: have to say this, and I have to thank you

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Speaker 1: for this, and I miss her dearly. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you remember meeting to Wretha Franklin. Yes, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think you choose, you know, a promoter to Wreatha a lot.

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Speaker 1: And I've never seen anybody to capture her attention as

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Speaker 1: much as you did. And after the show, when I

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Speaker 1: walked up to it to thank her and everything, and

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Speaker 1: and she got grabbed me and gave me a big

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Speaker 1: hug and she said, thanks for introduced me to Chris.

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Speaker 1: You have good friends. I've never had a chance Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she was standing me down. I won't ask you what.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's pretty good. Mickey got a story or

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I got a story. But I

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Speaker 1: thought about this UH last night. So at the first

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Speaker 1: UH Cowboys game I ever covered was the Sunday night

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Speaker 1: game in nineteen eighty four against the New Orleans Saints,

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Speaker 1: which ended up with a crazy ending right the game.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I thought about it is because the

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Speaker 1: game started on a Sunday night late because the presidential

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Speaker 1: debates went long, and I was thinking last night when

746
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Speaker 1: the presidential debates were on, I said, gol, this doesn't

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Speaker 1: remind me of the debate I saw in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: before before the Cowboys played the New Orleans Saints and

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Speaker 1: and if you remember the game, you guys were way

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Speaker 1: behind in the defense, created a couple of turnovers to

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Speaker 1: catch up. I think Ken Stabler was the Saints quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You guys created a fumble and I just remember you

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Speaker 1: guys winning. And afterwards, Randy White was jumping up and

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Speaker 1: down like a jumping jack, like a little kid. I'll

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00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: never forget that as long as I live. Do you

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00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 1: remember much about that game? Being out? After the game

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00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: leaving for the airport. I saw this gentleman had to

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Speaker 1: be in his late seventies. He took off and sprinted

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Speaker 1: towards a vehicle and rammed this vehicle head first. I

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Speaker 1: kick you up, well Ed, I've got I've got a

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Speaker 1: writing question from our very own Nick Eatman. He said

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Speaker 1: that when they announced that Emmett Smith was going into

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, that it was at a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl I believe in Florida, and you were at the game,

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Speaker 1: and he said, you and you and you and Emmett

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Speaker 1: shared a moment and it looked like you guys had

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Speaker 1: had played together and had played for years and years

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Speaker 1: and years, and he was kind of wondering, you know

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Speaker 1: what that moment was about? How you knew you know,

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Speaker 1: you knew Emmett so well, and kind of how that

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00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: came about. Well, one of my close friends, former teammate,

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Speaker 1: Crawford Kerr, block for Emmett at Florida and Emmett I

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Speaker 1: retired to year, im It joined the Cowboys and Crawford

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Speaker 1: introduced with introduced me to im It at dinner when

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Speaker 1: he the first time he came to Dallas after being drafted,

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00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: and I looked at him it. And you know, I

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00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: played with Dorset and Kevin Hill, all these guys, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I looked at him and I said, man, number one

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00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: draft choice. You know I didn't see it. But for

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00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: a guy his size and doability, nothing but respect, nothing

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Speaker 1: but respect. And uh he made my home, bought a

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Speaker 1: lot of life to my home, a lot of a

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00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: lot on a lot of Sundays, and uh, I just

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Speaker 1: respect him so much for all he accomplished. And I'm

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00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: just glad that he's a cowboy. All right, let's close

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Speaker 1: out the show. Let's get some thoughts. Mickey, Cleveland Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: what do you think is gonna happen Sunday? Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: give you something that everybody better remember, because I think

789
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: everybody gets excited about rushing the quarterback in past defense.

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00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: If they don't stop the run against this team, they're

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00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: gonna have a big problem because Nick Chubb and Kareem

792
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: Hunt they will run you over. And that's what Cleveland's

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00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: game is. And so I'm just saying, stop the run

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00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: on this one, otherwise you're gonna have some big problems. Chris,

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00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: what's your take on Sunday? I'm gonna follow with Mickey

796
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: and say the same thing. They about to watch out

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00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: for that running game. And also Baker Mayfield is figured

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Speaker 1: some things out. He looks like he's being more accurate

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Speaker 1: this year, So don't sleep on Cleveland. Don't think this

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Speaker 1: is Cleveland from yesteryear. And of course Odell Beckham Junior,

801
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: he's laying in the hunt with one head of catches. Ed.

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00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: What do you think's gonna happen this Sunday at at

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Speaker 1: and T Stadium. I hope Dallas realized that Cleveland would

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00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: love to come in in and beat them, and I

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00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: hope they are also real lines after watching the film

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00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: they think they can come in here and beat them

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00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: because I'm sure they feel we can run on them,

808
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: we can pass on them, you know, if we get

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00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: in a shootout, we can win. So they better be

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00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: ready and prepared. Got too many guys coming back to

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Speaker 1: Texas a lot, Baker Mayfield, Yeah, Miles Garrett, Miles Garrett,

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00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: better watch out and better watch out for Sheldon Richardson. Inside.

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00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 1: Those two guys owned five of the Cleveland's eight sacks.

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00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting to the place that the Cowboys

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00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: have had issues is up the middle on the defense.

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting seeing what those how they

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Speaker 1: hold those guys in check. So this has been a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Mister Jones, Mickey Chris Arnold, thank all of you guys

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Speaker 1: for joining us. This has been a great show. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: we can circle back and do it again sometime. Ed

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Speaker 1: you are welcome on this show anytime you want to

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Speaker 1: come back. So thank you guys. I am Shannon Gross

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Speaker 1: and this has been the Happy Hour on the Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboy By Radio network. This has been a production of

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