Speaker 1: Welcome in What's drive in the great episode four to four.
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Speaker 1: era of this iteration of the dynasty of the last
Speaker 1: decade my Kansas City Chiefs as the season from Hell
Speaker 1: comes crashing down in sports tragic fashion with Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: suffering a torn ACL and LCL in the waning moments
Speaker 1: of another frustrating bad game for the Chiefs as a whole,
Speaker 1: which was every game they played after the bye kind
Speaker 1: of felt the same, except for the cow Boys game,
Speaker 1: where the offense got going but the defense couldn't get
Speaker 1: any stops, And where they all felt the same was
Speaker 1: they just didn't look like the Chiefs at any point
Speaker 1: post October this year. So and now what will they
Speaker 1: look like as we get into whether or not Travis
Speaker 1: Kelcey is going to continue playing, what Patrick is going
Speaker 1: to look like post acl and all of that. So
Speaker 1: that will be the lead of today's show, obviously, But
Speaker 1: there's other news, and some of the other news is
Speaker 1: in a weird way tied in with the Chiefs. Says,
Speaker 1: you could make an argument that the single best defensive
Speaker 1: player during Patrick's career, he's been the best player in football.
Speaker 1: You could make an argument that over that same timeline,
Speaker 1: the best defensive player in football's been Micah Parsons. I
Speaker 1: know Miles Garrett, you know, would take issue with that,
Speaker 1: but he's started in the discussion. And Micah also lost
Speaker 1: for the season to a torn acl so we will
Speaker 1: get into that. The Patriots collapse against Buffalo that Monday
Speaker 1: Night football. Are the Steelers for real? All of that
Speaker 1: coming up. Demons, How are you? I got your Christmas card?
Speaker 1: That is, you have officially sent out Christmas cards in
Speaker 1: your lifetime before I've ever sent them out in my lifetime,
Speaker 1: So hat tip to you on that one. I am
Speaker 1: a feeling that was more Maddie's doing than you're doing. However,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to comment on that. Yeah, you're probably
Speaker 2: more correct than you're not correct.
Speaker 1: But those were. It was delightful to get those. Great
Speaker 1: to see you, and we'll get right into it. Straight
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Speaker 1: are shutting down Jayden Daniels for the year, or they are.
Speaker 1: Their season from Hell's different from Kansas City's, but maybe
Speaker 1: in some ways more torturous after they felt so close
Speaker 1: last year and it's like, Okay, next year, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be awesome. Instead next year they're they're not good and
Speaker 1: their quarterback suffers multiple injuries and now they're just shutting
Speaker 1: him down. Fernando Mendoza wins the Heisman Trophy and Diego
Speaker 1: Pavia postf all the voters in you know, some Andy
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Speaker 1: Chiefs eliminated, Patrick injured.
Speaker 2: One of the weirdestest reason that I've had to do
Speaker 2: for this show. It was very strange. Chiefs eliminated from
Speaker 2: the playoffs after the loss of the Chargers, Patrick mahomes
Speaker 2: with the torn ACL and LCL.
Speaker 3: They're done.
Speaker 2: Yesterdayson you said that this was the end of a
Speaker 2: chapter or in the via chapter.
Speaker 1: So I'll get into that part in a second. First,
Speaker 1: I want to say this, this is pro football, and
Speaker 1: this Yes, this is my hometown team, and yes I
Speaker 1: have a personal relationship for with Patrick, and so Andy's
Speaker 1: the face of the league and one of the defining
Speaker 1: players in league history. All of those things make this
Speaker 1: extra gutting in the short term, and we'll see what
Speaker 1: it means in the long term. But I don't want
Speaker 1: to overstate the how do I put this, because the
Speaker 1: devastation of the moment is real. The sympathy or empathy
Speaker 1: that folks should have for me or for Chiefs fans
Speaker 1: or whatever right now, I think that's overstated because this
Speaker 1: is pro football, and this happens, and it was the
Speaker 1: Chief's turn to have the year from hell, and it
Speaker 1: was sadly Patrick's turned to roll craps, and he was
Speaker 1: fighting through a knee injury the last few weeks. He
Speaker 1: was on the injury report. The last few weeks. You
Speaker 1: saw him laboring. We said after Week one, man, he
Speaker 1: sure ran a lot and sure took a lot of hits.
Speaker 1: And there's a tax to all of it. There just is.
Speaker 1: And there is a cost to the twenty game seasons.
Speaker 1: There is a cost to the offensive line injuries. There
Speaker 1: is a cost to Patrick's refusal to sit out a
Speaker 1: game when his knee was obviously bothering him. There is
Speaker 1: a cost to the Chiefs being in must win, gotta
Speaker 1: have it elimination games this early in the season. You
Speaker 1: extend your body, you extend plays, you put yourself out there,
Speaker 1: and this happens. This is not I am sick for Patrick.
Speaker 1: I'm sick for myself, but I'm also the Patriots and
Speaker 1: their fans watch Tom Brady go down the first week
Speaker 1: of a season. The Colts and their fans watched Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning miss a whole year with neck injury. The Packers
Speaker 1: and their fans watched Pete Aaron Rodgers knocked out for
Speaker 1: half a season with a snapped collar bone. Like the
Speaker 1: Ravens twice have had Lamar late in a year, get
Speaker 1: hurt and never come back. The Bengals and Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: have had multiple seasons derailed by the guy getting hurt.
Speaker 1: Like this is pro sports and this sport in particular,
Speaker 1: And so I I am trying to balance how much
Speaker 1: it sucks that Patrick is going through this, how much
Speaker 1: the reality of we now have a line of demarcation
Speaker 1: in Patrick's career that's going to be before and after
Speaker 1: the ACL and we're going to see how he recovers
Speaker 1: from it, how he attacks it, how it changes for
Speaker 1: good or for bad, the player that he is and
Speaker 1: I and I can recognize that and do me a favorite. Guys,
Speaker 1: don't put questions in the rundown near the top of it. Sorry,
Speaker 1: this is a production note while we're doing it. It's good.
Speaker 1: I lose my train of thought and I can recognize
Speaker 1: all of that while also not feeling like woe is me?
Speaker 1: Is appropriate. This has been as good of a seven
Speaker 1: year run as any football fan base ever gotten. Seven
Speaker 1: years of conference championship games, five Super Bowl appearances, three
Speaker 1: Super Bowl victories. That you can put it up against
Speaker 1: anything any team has done in the history of the sport.
Speaker 1: This seven years matches any seven years the Patriots had,
Speaker 1: any seven years the Niners in the eighties had, and
Speaker 1: the Steelers in the seventies is a weird one because
Speaker 1: they won four super Bowls but they didn't get to
Speaker 1: the conference championship game every year and they didn't get
Speaker 1: to five super Bowls. That that's a tomato tomato thing.
Speaker 1: You can say that one was better, but it's at
Speaker 1: least in the argument and now the Chiefs received back
Speaker 1: into football general population and then see if they can
Speaker 1: emerge once again. And I and I hate that I
Speaker 1: have talked about this comp so much and now it
Speaker 1: is even more apropos. But you guys have heard me
Speaker 1: whenever we have done the Brady Mahomes career stuff, talk
Speaker 1: about in his eight years a starter, Tom blew out
Speaker 1: his knee, and then that team had its only real lull.
Speaker 1: Obviously they missed the playoffs the year Tom missed. They
Speaker 1: still want eleven games, by the way, which is shout
Speaker 1: out to how unbelievable the seven Pats and eight Pats
Speaker 1: were as a roster. And then in two thousand and
Speaker 1: nine Tom wasn't his best. They won ten games and
Speaker 1: got annihilated in round one of the playoffs. And in
Speaker 1: twenty ten Tom was exceptional. That team was fourteen and two,
Speaker 1: and then they lost one of the weirdest playoff games
Speaker 1: ever Mark Sanchez and the New York Jets. And then
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven they started their run. And I don't
Speaker 1: know what is I here is as far as this
Speaker 1: not being what's the right way to put this, in
Speaker 1: a weird way, I feel worse for Packer fans with
Speaker 1: the Mica injury than for Chief fans with the Mahomes injury.
Speaker 1: In this regard, I was wrong about this team. They
Speaker 1: didn't have it this year. And so had they been
Speaker 1: eleven and three in that game and or I guess
Speaker 1: ten and three because that was right? How do I
Speaker 1: have this right? I'm all scattered ten and three going
Speaker 1: into that game and had looked great. It was like, man,
Speaker 1: this is another championship level team. I think this would
Speaker 1: sting even more. But it was pretty clear it became
Speaker 1: I came to terms with where this Chiefs team was
Speaker 1: about an hour and a half before Mahomes's injury, the
Speaker 1: final drive of the first half up thirteen to three,
Speaker 1: letting the Chargers drive the length of the field, the
Speaker 1: combo platter of not being able to punch in the
Speaker 1: Herbert interception and getting seven, and then later in the
Speaker 1: second quarter allowing them to go the length of the
Speaker 1: field in forty seconds to take what could have been
Speaker 1: a seventeen to three or at the very least thirteen
Speaker 1: to three, or worst case scenario, thirteen to six lead
Speaker 1: into halftime in a must win home game, letting the Chargers,
Speaker 1: whose offense right now is not very good, go the
Speaker 1: length of the field to make it thirteen to ten,
Speaker 1: and then watching the Chiefs offense do nothing the entire
Speaker 1: second half. They didn't have it. And so this was
Speaker 1: not the Chiefs leaving a man, left a potential championship
Speaker 1: on the table because the quarterback got hurt. They were
Speaker 1: not good enough.
Speaker 3: This year.
Speaker 1: Was wrong. I talked a lot of shit, poked at
Speaker 1: a lot of folks as soon as they looked like
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Again, that was a brief mirage in who
Speaker 1: this scene was this season, and I do feel demonse
Speaker 1: that they are about to have a mirror held up
Speaker 1: to some of their structural issues that Patrick was holding
Speaker 1: together over these last three weeks of the year, because
Speaker 1: I think they are going to lose to the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 1: I think they are going to get beat up by
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos. Okay, and then we'll see Week eighteen
Speaker 1: Raiders Chiefs in Vegas. You know who shows up for that.
Speaker 1: But I think with these o line injuries, this lack
Speaker 1: of a running game, and one of the bigger disappointments
Speaker 1: of this season is the lack of development from the
Speaker 1: wide receivers. I think you're going to see what this
Speaker 1: offense looks like with bad quarterback play, because I understand
Speaker 1: Mahomes numbers after the bye the Cowboys game notwithstanding, were ghastly.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys game is the one thing propping them up.
Speaker 1: I think you're about to see what actual bad quarterback
Speaker 1: play would look like with the team right now, with
Speaker 1: its issues. And I do think that there needs to
Speaker 1: be some real soul searching is too strong, but some
Speaker 1: personal accountability by everyone involved in the team. And hey,
Speaker 1: how do we make sure the next time Patrick takes
Speaker 1: the field this team doesn't have as many glaring weaknesses
Speaker 1: as it had in twenty twenty five. And listen, it's hard.
Speaker 1: There is a reason only one team ever's gone to
Speaker 1: four straight Super Bowls. There's a reason only one team
Speaker 1: ever has gone to more than seven straight conference championship games.
Speaker 1: There is a reason only three other teams ever had
Speaker 1: gone to three straight Super Bowls. What the Chiefs accomplished
Speaker 1: was certain things were unprecedented, and certain things were only
Speaker 1: you know, had only been accomplished by one or two
Speaker 1: of the other greatest dynasties ever. But you saw some
Speaker 1: of the where of the late draft picks of guys
Speaker 1: not developing of some a draft miss here, a free
Speaker 1: agency missed there, a poorly timed injury there, and they
Speaker 1: couldn't run the ball and they couldn't rush the passer
Speaker 1: all year long. And these receivers who I like. I
Speaker 1: think Rashid Rice has the ability to be excellent. I
Speaker 1: saw him be exceptional for the second half of his
Speaker 1: rookie season. I know the talent Xavier Worthy has, but
Speaker 1: those guys not developing into fully formed, legitimate man beating
Speaker 1: wide receivers hurt this team a lot too. And so
Speaker 1: those are the things that you address moving forward for
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, and then you see what version of Patrick
Speaker 1: we have when he comes back.
Speaker 3: I believe.
Speaker 1: The type of competitor and legendary athlete he is, that
Speaker 1: there is a very good chance he comes back as
Speaker 1: a better player as a player that if he especially
Speaker 1: if he can't early on rely as much on his athleticism,
Speaker 1: is even more precise in the pocket and traditional drop
Speaker 1: back since then he's been the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: and so I'm not worried about Patrick. And I would
Speaker 1: put I understand it was a terrible injury and he
Speaker 1: tore two ligaments. I would put all my money on
Speaker 1: him being back for Week one next year. It's right
Speaker 1: at nine months, and I think he'll do it. And
Speaker 1: what will the team around him look like is the question.
Speaker 1: Demon's know, some follow ups here before we get to
Speaker 1: other stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were talking about making sure the roster is
Speaker 2: good from homes whenever he comes back. If Brett Veech
Speaker 2: hit you up today and asked what they should do
Speaker 2: to retool the team, how would you go about it?
Speaker 1: I mean, I listen. I think the biggest weakness right
Speaker 1: now is not being able to get a pass rush
Speaker 1: outside of Chris Jones. And they spent a first round
Speaker 1: pick on a player a couple of years ago who
Speaker 1: was put on the IR. This year, they spent a
Speaker 1: second round pick on Omar Norman Lot, a d tackle
Speaker 1: who was put on the IR early in the year.
Speaker 1: This was not a good Karloff this year and they
Speaker 1: just paid him. So I think that that is the
Speaker 1: first thing that I would address, and the other one
Speaker 1: is they need to have listen. Isaiah Pacheco was an
Speaker 1: unbelievable story as a seventh round pick and he was
Speaker 1: very productive and then and again it's pro football man,
Speaker 1: he broke his leg and has him been the same,
Speaker 1: and I feel sick for him. I hate the fact
Speaker 1: that he never really got paid. I and he's a
Speaker 1: champion and you know, really helped the team before those injuries,
Speaker 1: but he hasn't been the same since then, and they
Speaker 1: can't run the ball effectively. So what they are going
Speaker 1: to have demons next year is a third place schedule
Speaker 1: and something like the tenth, eleventh, twelfth pick of the draft,
Speaker 1: which are two things that you never would have thought
Speaker 1: they would have going into this year. And so you
Speaker 1: have to take advantage of those things, and you also
Speaker 1: have to prepare for life after Travis Kelcey. Even though
Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of people are fully convinced
Speaker 1: Travis's retiring, I am not fully convinced of that. I
Speaker 1: obviously not only is it possible, you could say it's likely,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that he has made up his mind,
Speaker 1: and I because I don't want to, right And so
Speaker 1: now you don't always get to pick how you go out.
Speaker 1: Travis's brother played in the Super Bowl against the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: the famous you know, when they the first Eagle Chief
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They lost that Super Bowl. He decided to
Speaker 1: come back for one more year, and that was the
Speaker 1: year of the Eagles supernatural funk and meltdown and quitting
Speaker 1: in the playoff game, and that's how he went out
Speaker 1: one of the greatest sinners ever. Travis lost in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, decided to come back and now like his
Speaker 1: last moments with Mahomes on the field are dark, that
Speaker 1: what that was, and so I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know what he's going to do. He is still a
Speaker 1: good player. Is he a dominant player anymore? No? Is
Speaker 1: he still one of the this year? Was he one
Speaker 1: of the five best tight ends in football? Yes? And
Speaker 1: so he still has football left in him. The question
Speaker 1: is if he wants to keep doing go ahead?
Speaker 2: Do you think if it's a note that his brother
Speaker 2: he sat out that year and then his team won
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl the next year, I think his brother's
Speaker 2: got to tell him to stick in and stay with him.
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys will get this.
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess that's right. Is the first year after.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they won Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Point?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your predictions for the next chapter?
Speaker 1: Listen, I think that I think that as long as
Speaker 1: you have the as long as you have Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: and Andy's not going anywhere. And I understand there's been
Speaker 1: some criticism of Andy. I don't think this was his
Speaker 1: best year. I think Andy will is one of the
Speaker 1: greatest coaches in NFL history. And I do think that they,
Speaker 1: you know, the the Chiefs offense post b enemy with
Speaker 1: Matt Nagy hasn't been as guys are not running as
Speaker 1: wide open as they once were and things aren't quite
Speaker 1: as easy, and so they do need to address that.
Speaker 1: But I believe Andy Reid is gonna be the coach
Speaker 1: of the Chiefs as long as he wants to be
Speaker 1: the coach of the Chiefs, and I'm good with that.
Speaker 1: And Spags isn't going anywhere. And I believe Mahomes will
Speaker 1: come back and still be Mahomes, and so I do
Speaker 1: think that they can snap back to top tier contender.
Speaker 1: They were the favorites to win the Super Bowl twenty
Speaker 1: nine days ago. But it's the NFL man.
Speaker 3: Like shit hacken crazy. I mean, ago just weight.
Speaker 1: On the super Bowl twenty nine days But you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta win games, you gotta play better, you gotta
Speaker 1: get lucky on the injury stuff, and so I Will
Speaker 1: I think that they will be the favorites in the
Speaker 1: AFC West again the start of next year. I think that,
Speaker 1: and you know, we'll get to Denver and the Chargers
Speaker 1: later in the show. I think that they will. If
Speaker 1: Buffalo does what it looks like Buffalo could do, they
Speaker 1: might have someone to go chase, which you know what, like,
Speaker 1: that's how it's supposed to be. And I am not
Speaker 1: worried at all that the Chiefs are not going to
Speaker 1: get back to being the scariest team in football. I
Speaker 1: am acknowledging that this year will across the board is
Speaker 1: looked at as a failure. And then you you double
Speaker 1: that up with the pain of the injury to Patrick,
Speaker 1: and you double that up with the Broncos in the
Speaker 1: Chargers having the years they've had, and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a fight on their hands every year,
Speaker 1: so be it. I am. I think having the most
Speaker 1: talented player in the history of the sport at the
Speaker 1: most important position, who now has something to go prove,
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Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: So, if Burrow's press conference last week wasn't bad enough,
Speaker 2: he came out this week and said that no NFL
Speaker 2: team would have won with him playing at quarterback after
Speaker 2: getting shut out Ravens twenty four to zero. After the game,
Speaker 2: Burrow had said that his comments had nothing to do
Speaker 2: with the Bengals specifically, it was just football in general.
Speaker 2: Do you think that that might be worse?
Speaker 1: Man? I don't know what's going on with Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: And you know, my theory is a very simple one,
Speaker 1: which is and I talked to her this last week,
Speaker 1: so we don't have to harp on it too much.
Speaker 1: Year one, he blows out his knee. Year two he
Speaker 1: plays in the Super Bowl. Year three plays in the
Speaker 1: AFC Championship Game, and then year four he suffers that
Speaker 1: calf injury before the year, and then the wrist injury
Speaker 1: during the year, and he's out. Year five, he's healthy,
Speaker 1: but the team is just terrible as far as their defense,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter how good he is. And in
Speaker 1: year six, the really weird turf toe and he's like, man,
Speaker 1: this sucks. I'm getting the shit kicked out of me.
Speaker 1: The team since I've been here one year, maybe two years,
Speaker 1: we had a good defense. The other years the defenses
Speaker 1: have been a problem. Every year the offensive line has
Speaker 1: been bad. He won't even shovel off the seats for
Speaker 1: our fans at the stadium, and like, this isn't a
Speaker 1: fun life right now. And so I hed he is
Speaker 1: a thoughtful guy, and he also is a very private guy,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's loved the celebrity piece of
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback. It would be stunning to me if he
Speaker 1: is actually contemplating being done playing football. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's happening. It would not be stunning to me if
Speaker 1: he is considering forcing his way out of Cincinnati that
Speaker 1: would not be stunning to me. What are your follow.
Speaker 2: Ups here, pal So Ma Ravens obviously got the big win,
Speaker 2: but it probably wasn't because of Lamar's play solely. I
Speaker 2: guess how confident are you that he can turn it
Speaker 2: around in the last few.
Speaker 1: Weeks, Listen, Lamar was good in this game, but it
Speaker 1: was such it was so. I mean, he's eight of
Speaker 1: twelve for a bunch of yards. But it's a weird game, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, they just the the Ravens never had the ball.
Speaker 1: They ran like forty plays and Lamar dropped back sixteen times,
Speaker 1: got picked once not his fault, sacked four times, only
Speaker 1: ran twice. Like so, it's a weird Lamar game. Here
Speaker 1: is the bigger piece of it. Demonsey, I think it's
Speaker 1: just because the defense did play really well, and I know,
Speaker 1: like people are excited for what could be Sunday Night
Speaker 1: Football Week eighteen, Steelers Ravens Division on the line. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure the Ravens get there because here is the Patriots.
Speaker 2: If they win this Patriots game, I'm all in on them.
Speaker 2: If they can they can secure this. I think we're sure.
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent, not totally confident right now.
Speaker 1: Right, And so if we just say the Steelers are
Speaker 1: gonna split with the Lions and the Browns, Okay, if
Speaker 1: the Ravens lose to the Patriots and the Packers week
Speaker 1: eighteen doesn't matter. If the Ravens lose their next two
Speaker 1: to the Patriots and the Packers and the Steelers split
Speaker 1: and those are tough games man, Patriots, Packers, then the
Speaker 1: Steelers win the division before week eighteen. Another way to
Speaker 1: look at it, if the Steelers somehow go to and
Speaker 1: oh against the Lions and the Browns, and you gotta
Speaker 1: think they're gonna beat the Browns, then if the Ravens
Speaker 1: lose one of Patriots Packers week eighteen doesn't matter. So
Speaker 1: if the Steelers get one more win, then Baltimore over
Speaker 1: the next two weeks and Baltimore has the Patriots and
Speaker 1: the Packers and the Steelers have the Lions in the
Speaker 1: do you think.
Speaker 2: We have the more winnable game this week? But but yeah,
Speaker 2: there's three weeks left.
Speaker 1: I mean you think that I don't know that the
Speaker 1: Lions are worse than the Patriots or better than the Patriots,
Speaker 1: Like I think it's a toss up.
Speaker 2: I think I'm more scared of the Lions just because
Speaker 2: they've got the older, you know, older quarterback, more seasoned team.
Speaker 1: No, that's fair, and they are certainly more death pritt
Speaker 1: than New England. But New England knows if they lose
Speaker 1: this game, they're basically eliminated from getting the bye, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, maybe Buffalo can catch them. I
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't think the Ravens got it, and
Speaker 1: I think there's a very real chance that Week eighteen
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And I guess the bright side for Ravens
Speaker 1: fans would be if that happens. And because I think
Speaker 1: the Ravens fans are over it, I think we're done
Speaker 1: with I think John Harbaugh they have a mutual parting
Speaker 1: of ways. Yeah, I do think that we'll get more
Speaker 1: to the Steelers in their win last night, which is
Speaker 1: kind of part of what I part of the reason
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical of the Ravens right now is Rogers is
Speaker 1: playing the best. You know, he was awesome two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: He was good enough last night. And and the Steelers,
Speaker 1: after Tomlin's on the hot seat, they get back to
Speaker 1: back quality wins and now we're staring at you know,
Speaker 1: they still have the Browns on the schedules we mentioned,
Speaker 1: if they can find a way to go to Detroit
Speaker 1: and win, they feel like we potentially can just clinch
Speaker 1: the division in Week seventeen against Cleveland. All right, let's
Speaker 1: go to the next game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Denver's on eleven game winning streak after beating green
Speaker 2: Bay with a little bit of a surprise win. They
Speaker 2: had the number one seed going into Week fifteen green Bay,
Speaker 2: but the Packers lost the game and obviously Michael Parsons
Speaker 2: went down. Where do you think Green Bay fans expectations
Speaker 2: should be for this season?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that I think it's now too
Speaker 1: much injury wise. I think that their best. If you
Speaker 1: take out their quarterback, their most important all defensive players,
Speaker 1: Tucker Craft, he's done for the year, Their most important
Speaker 1: defensive players. Micah Parsons, He's done for the year. And
Speaker 1: this is why I didn't want to This is one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I didn't want to do like
Speaker 1: too much, like woe is me, poor Chiefs fans off
Speaker 1: the top, Like I mean, if you're a Packers fan
Speaker 1: and you haven't been to a super Bowl in fifteen years,
Speaker 1: and you have felt all year long like this team
Speaker 1: is super Bowl caliber, and you're coming off finally looking
Speaker 1: like the team that you thought you could be at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year. Four straight wins, beating the Lions,
Speaker 1: beating the Bears, You're up nine against Denver, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it turns on you and Mike
Speaker 1: is out for the year, and now you Green Bay
Speaker 1: are like, oh shit, for we were staring at the
Speaker 1: one seed. We're now need to make sure we win
Speaker 1: this weekend against Chicago or else us. You know, could
Speaker 1: we slip out of the playoff picture? Probably not. But
Speaker 1: if we lose this week into Chicago, are we going
Speaker 1: to be on the road as a wild card in
Speaker 1: the brutal NFC? Yes, And so I I just don't
Speaker 1: think you can sustain. This is the comp I used
Speaker 1: on the show yesterday. If four years ago to Monsey,
Speaker 1: with a month left in the season, the Chiefs lost
Speaker 1: Kelsey and Chris Jones, we'd be like, oh, we're just
Speaker 1: We're just and yeah, they already lost Craft and they
Speaker 1: were overcoming it, and now to lose Micah. I just
Speaker 1: think Mike is such a difference maker and such a
Speaker 1: great player.
Speaker 2: Different Oh sorry, go ahead, how differently do you feel
Speaker 2: about Micah's future comeback versus malmes.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I also I do think this. I think
Speaker 1: that that it is. I think an ACL can be
Speaker 1: a tougher injury for a pass rusher than a quarterback
Speaker 1: with the bend and the explosiveness and the speed and
Speaker 1: the athleticism Micah has, so it would I think it
Speaker 1: is more. Again, I think they both are young enough
Speaker 1: and sick enough workers and good enough athletes to just
Speaker 1: come back from it full strength. But if you were
Speaker 1: to tell me one of those two guys is not
Speaker 1: quite the same player post injury, you'd have to think
Speaker 1: it's the guy who relies more on fast twitch and
Speaker 1: his and.
Speaker 3: That pushing at somebody.
Speaker 1: Pushing, bending and all like all of it. That just
Speaker 1: so I'm not I'm going to as a football fan
Speaker 1: just believe they're both gonna come back as good as ever.
Speaker 1: But it does feel like it can be a tougher
Speaker 1: injury for that position. And I just I am I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sick for him. Uh And I'm really really
Speaker 1: sick for Packer fans because this was a year you
Speaker 1: definitely had a real chance to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And listen, Packer fans. I hope this gets clipped and
Speaker 1: used against me, and genuinely sincerely, I don't want you
Speaker 1: guys to be cooked because of injury. I opened six
Speaker 1: weeks you guys send this to me like fucking told
Speaker 1: you we could. I don't want to be right that
Speaker 1: injuries ruined your season, But man, it feels like injuries
Speaker 1: might have ruined your season. Let's do the other side
Speaker 1: of the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was on the winning side. Do you believe
Speaker 2: in what you're seeing out of bo Nicks over the
Speaker 2: last month?
Speaker 3: Look pretty good? Making the right plays.
Speaker 1: More than making the right plays. That game against the Packers,
Speaker 1: he was awesome. And I am trying to weigh all
Speaker 1: of this at once. Prior a month ago, he was
Speaker 1: unequivocally the weak link of that team. A month ago,
Speaker 1: going into that Chiefs game, he was having a bad season.
Speaker 1: They were winning despite him. He then played really well
Speaker 1: in the Chiefs game, then played really well in was
Speaker 1: it the Vikings game? I can't even did they play
Speaker 1: the I can't remember if they played the Vikings. No, Washington.
Speaker 1: It was the Washington game, the game that Mariota had
Speaker 1: the two point conversion knockdown, and then he played the
Speaker 1: best game he's ever played against Denver against Green Bay.
Speaker 1: He's a young player. As far as he's in year two,
Speaker 1: he should be getting better. So all of that is
Speaker 1: fair and true. What is also fair and true is this,
Speaker 1: there wasn't a thing from his first year and a
Speaker 1: half that made you believe he could be the starting
Speaker 1: quarterback of a super Bowl team. Now the last month
Speaker 1: he's been excellent, and if he just plays be football,
Speaker 1: Denver can win a super Bowl. The defense is great,
Speaker 1: the offensive line is great. Sean Payton, as much as
Speaker 1: he annoys me, has been excellent, and they have a
Speaker 1: stranglehold demands on the one seed. Their comeback, combined with
Speaker 1: the Patriots collapse, put them in such a great position
Speaker 1: to get the one seed, which is so valuable. So
Speaker 1: I still don't believe, to be clear, but I am wow. No,
Speaker 1: I I am giving credit for the last month of football.
Speaker 1: I also think it is going to end up having
Speaker 1: been an aberration in who he is as a player.
Speaker 1: But I also have to be prepared for this to
Speaker 1: be a classic Category three.
Speaker 2: This would be a seat like a real, real, real
Speaker 2: season from hell for you.
Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, but I mean it's alright, listen, the
Speaker 1: the Broncos potentially being the one seed when I picked
Speaker 1: him to finish last in the division. That's already a
Speaker 1: category three. That is, they just stone wrong and I
Speaker 1: gotta eat it bo Nicks turning into a legit franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: I might have to create a new category on how
Speaker 1: wrong that would make me. I still have a hard
Speaker 1: time believing that's actually going to happen, but I can't
Speaker 1: pretend like that Packers game didn't happen. Now. Do I
Speaker 1: think this Bronco season ends potentially prematurely in a home
Speaker 1: playoff game because Nicks plays poorly? Yeah? I do, But
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Speaker 2: So the Bills came out there and showed the Patriots
Speaker 2: who was big bro. And in that tamgame winning streak,
Speaker 2: they were up twenty one zero. Now that you were
Speaker 2: done with Kansas City, are you on Buffalo for the
Speaker 2: rest of the year.
Speaker 3: Who's second in the as well?
Speaker 1: Listen, right now, the Bills are my pick to win
Speaker 1: the conference. My pick the Chiefs got eliminated, and so
Speaker 1: right now my pick would be Buffalo. There's no question
Speaker 1: about it. And Bill I was on Bill Simmons Show
Speaker 1: on Friday and he said I was trying to put
Speaker 1: like the milochia on the Bills and Josh Allen trying
Speaker 1: to jinx him. I'm not trying to do any of that.
Speaker 1: I am flatly saying that this is an opportunity that
Speaker 1: I do not imagine is going to present itself again
Speaker 1: anytime soon. That's all. I don't think Josh is likely
Speaker 1: to be in the playoffs another time in his prime,
Speaker 1: where Mahomes and Burrow and maybe Lamar are out. Also,
Speaker 1: if we assume that Drake May is only going to
Speaker 1: get better than we also have to assume that this
Speaker 1: is the worst Drake May's going to be. This is
Speaker 1: a great opportunity for and in his prime, future Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer veteran quarterback to go get to his first
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. And yeah, they're gonna probably have to do
Speaker 1: it from the wild card position, but they should have
Speaker 1: a Round one game against the AFC North winner that's
Speaker 1: nothing brutal to overcome, and then a Round two game
Speaker 1: either in New England where they just came back from
Speaker 1: twenty one to nothing down pretty easily, or in Denver
Speaker 1: against a Broncos team that they annihilated in the playoffs
Speaker 1: last year. That's the path. And so I thought that
Speaker 1: was a great win for Buffalo. And I want to
Speaker 1: make clear my thoughts on the Patriots here because I
Speaker 1: seem super anti Patriots, because Wilds has annoyed me so much.
Speaker 1: I picked the Pats to make the playoffs. I have
Speaker 1: said for the last month and a half that I
Speaker 1: think Drake May is just a top five quarterback in
Speaker 1: the league moving forward. I thought he's second in MVP
Speaker 1: all year long, certainly top three all year long, and
Speaker 1: I think they're ahead of schedule. The my where I
Speaker 1: say Wilds has annoyed me with it is if you
Speaker 1: believe this team can actually win the super Bowl and
Speaker 1: want to judge them by that standard, then by that standard,
Speaker 1: that was a devastating loss. This weekend. You have a
Speaker 1: chance to lock up the division, stay alive for the
Speaker 1: one seed, really stamp yourself as better than Buffalo, and
Speaker 1: you're up twenty one nothing and then they just walk
Speaker 1: you down and Drake May has his least productive passing
Speaker 1: game of the season. So if you're looking at this
Speaker 1: Pats team as this is a building block to the future,
Speaker 1: then no big deal. But if you're like man, it's
Speaker 1: the NFL, it's year to year, Washington, the last year
Speaker 1: was a building block to the future. Look at them now,
Speaker 1: I then that's a devastating loss. And I will also say,
Speaker 1: while my pick would be Buffalo, look out for the
Speaker 1: Jags now look Out average thirty two points per game
Speaker 1: since they're bye, that's like seven weeks ago. Since Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: they're beating people by twenty two points a game. Trevor
Speaker 1: has ten touchdowns, no picks, a one twenty rating. He's
Speaker 1: played's come off a six touchdown game. He's playing his
Speaker 1: best at too early. I never bailed on Trevor. I never.
Speaker 2: I guess it was the betting the Jags, and I
Speaker 2: couldn't bet the Jags.
Speaker 1: I traded Jet. I traded Wilds, the uh Royal Trumpeteers
Speaker 1: because they were such a good part of the show
Speaker 1: that I thought and we thought the Patriots were going
Speaker 1: to be more relevant. But I always held out hope
Speaker 1: for my guy. Now early in the year, I thought
Speaker 1: he was going to have to prove how good he
Speaker 1: could be somewhere else with a different team. Uh. Later
Speaker 1: in his rallied and there they are a lot. They
Speaker 1: played Denver, There's they are alive for the one seed. Unlikely,
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Speaker 1: talk a little Seahawks colts.
Speaker 2: So Philip Rivers came really close and one of the
Speaker 2: fun games of the weekend to defeating the Seahawks, but
Speaker 2: he couldn't quite do it.
Speaker 3: Is this just a field goal feel good story or
Speaker 3: is there something here?
Speaker 1: No, I everybody was talking about this like it was
Speaker 1: a make a wish thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, can we just see the.
Speaker 1: Guy threw twenty seven passes for one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: yards and at the end of the game through the
Speaker 1: interception down two that ended the game. Like again, now
Speaker 1: they only had twenty seconds, it would have been an
Speaker 1: amazing job. So I'm not killing him for it. But
Speaker 1: this was not a success. It was And if it's like, well,
Speaker 1: we just wanted him to get out of there without
Speaker 1: getting injured. Your defense did an amazing job to forest
Speaker 1: Buckner back. Your defense did a great job on Seattle,
Speaker 1: holding them to six field goals. That was a winnable game.
Speaker 1: But when all of your passes go for two yards,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be in a rough spot. I was shocked
Speaker 1: they didn't have that. Seattle didn't blitz him more. It
Speaker 1: almost like it seemed it seemed I mean, yeah, but
Speaker 1: they needed the game, like Seattle in Seattle, San Francisco
Speaker 1: and the Rams they all look awesome, but two of
Speaker 1: them are gonna be wild cards. And Seattle and the
Speaker 1: Rams played each other this Thursday, and go ahead, I
Speaker 1: know you have follow up here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yes, yeah, you've been on the Seahawks.
Speaker 3: You've been on the Seahawks for a while.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Are you concerned? And how close this game was with
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers at quarterback?
Speaker 1: No. I think honestly, they saw Philip Rivers was starting
Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, this game is not for and
Speaker 1: they have the Rams coming up in four days. So
Speaker 1: the fact that they were able to escape with a win,
Speaker 1: I think your concern about Seattle is going to be
Speaker 1: is Darnold gonna play really poorly come the playoffs. But
Speaker 1: since that Rams loss, uh, you know, they blew out
Speaker 1: the Vikings, they blew out the Falcons, they escape against
Speaker 1: the Colts, and then now they go Rams, Panthers, Niners
Speaker 1: and really tough slate to end the year home though
Speaker 1: against the Rams. Rams won't to have DeVante Adams, and
Speaker 1: you know that could determine the one seed in the NFC.
Speaker 1: All right, you want to do a play a game
Speaker 1: here before we move off.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Cam Newton came out and was really mad.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say really mad. It seemed like he was
Speaker 2: a little upset that he didn't get called for that.
Speaker 1: Was really mad. Oh, totally fair to say he was
Speaker 1: really mad.
Speaker 2: So I just tried to think in my head, like,
Speaker 2: would the Colts have won that game with Cam Newton?
Speaker 2: And I gotta say yes, But I'm gonna ask you
Speaker 2: a number of quarterbacks if they would have had instead
Speaker 2: of Philip Rivers, would they have won the game?
Speaker 3: So first off is Cam Newton? Oh go ahead? Sorry, sorry,
Speaker 3: I love Cam.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I shoulder was shot when he last played, Yeah, was shot.
Speaker 1: He couldn't throw the ball anymore. And so my answer
Speaker 1: is no, they wouldn't have won the game with Cam Newton.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll go to the next one.
Speaker 1: No, his shoulder was also shot. They wouldn't have won
Speaker 1: the game with him.
Speaker 3: Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: Maybe, Okay, I I given out. Maybe I think it
Speaker 1: was a close. Wasn't blitzing him. I'm gonna say maybe.
Speaker 3: Eli Manning.
Speaker 1: Eli, No, Eli's retired a year before Philip did. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's or maybe the same year as Philip, but doesn't matter. No,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have won with Eli.
Speaker 2: Peyton Manny Eli At I'm not trying to come for
Speaker 2: the man, but like Eli doesn't really look like Philip
Speaker 2: Rivers looks like I'm retired. Like he looks like he's
Speaker 2: been for a minute. It looks like he might still
Speaker 2: have a little bit of Yeah. But Peyton Peyton, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes. Okay, care long he's been retired.
Speaker 1: I think given what the what we saw from Philip,
Speaker 1: how quick it was, I'm going to say yes with Peyton,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady no question might have won him out execut
Speaker 1: with how it worked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Andrew Luck last one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes as well to Luck.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now Luck hasn't he just left. Yeah, but he's only
Speaker 1: like thirty six, So yeah, I'm gonna say yes with
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Speaker 1: do quick hitters demanse quick hurts.
Speaker 2: First off, Thursday night football game, Falcons defeat the Buccaneers
Speaker 2: twenty nine to twenty eight.
Speaker 1: That was a disastrous loss for Tampa and put them
Speaker 1: in a position where if the Panthers had just been
Speaker 1: able to beat the Saints this weekend, which they weren't,
Speaker 1: so we'll address that game here too, that the Bucks
Speaker 1: were gonna have to sweep Carolina in the week sixteen
Speaker 1: and eighteen to win the Division because of New Orleans
Speaker 1: terrible loss. Tampa now retakes control of the division. But
Speaker 1: that you're up fourteen in the fourth quarter in that
Speaker 1: game against Atlanta. That is an awful loss for Tampa.
Speaker 1: And BA got to play better and the defense has
Speaker 1: to play better. I still believe they're gonna make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but that was awful.
Speaker 3: Next Rams defeats the Lions fort like that game.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so this and we'll get to the Eagles
Speaker 1: Raiders in a minute. The and let me in fact,
Speaker 1: let me just do that. Yeah, we'll get to the
Speaker 1: Eagles Raiders in a minute. Uh. I think that the
Speaker 1: Rams just weekend week out look like the best team
Speaker 1: in football, and the Lions are now way behind the
Speaker 1: eight ball on making the playoffs. He's expanded playoff field Lions,
Speaker 1: after all the injuries last year, be really devastating for
Speaker 1: them not to make the playoffs. But they've just gone
Speaker 1: win loss, win loss, win loss, win loss win loss
Speaker 1: for like nine weeks in a row. And the Rams.
Speaker 1: The DeVante Adams hamstring is concerning, especially because they have
Speaker 1: such a huge game this weekend or not this week
Speaker 1: on Thursday. But if I'm them, I'm telling Davante, We'll
Speaker 1: see you in the playoffs. We need you healthy for
Speaker 1: the postseason. I mean, right now, they look like they
Speaker 1: have the league MVPN, that they're the best team, all right.
Speaker 3: Next, Eagles to feed the Raiders thirty one to zero.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so listen, it's hard to have a preseason pick
Speaker 1: more wrong than my Raiders belief. And they're just the
Speaker 1: worst team in the NFL, which makes it hard to determine.
Speaker 1: Did the Eagles fix their issues or did they just
Speaker 1: play the Raiders? And so I guess we'll see with
Speaker 1: how but it's just hard to take anything from a
Speaker 1: Raiders game at this point because they're so bad.
Speaker 2: Next the Sunday night game, Fvikings to feed the Cowboys
Speaker 2: thirty four to twenty six.
Speaker 1: Yeah. JJ McCarthy played the best game of his pro career,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys essentially into their playoff hopes, and George
Speaker 1: Pickens seems like he's, you know, just really in a
Speaker 1: quest to tank his free agency market in a way
Speaker 1: I don't understand, And the Cowboys get their fans hopes
Speaker 1: up and then the last two weeks they come crashing down.
Speaker 3: Next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Texans defeat the Cardinals forty to twenty.
Speaker 1: The Texans are legitimately very scary team right now, Like
Speaker 1: you could argue that they are the second scariest team
Speaker 1: in the AFC right in this moment. And see if
Speaker 1: CJ starts keeps playing well with that defense. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: can play with anybody. Next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Commanders defeat the Giants twenty nine to twenty one.
Speaker 1: Didn't watch second of this game. I got nothing for
Speaker 1: you on it.
Speaker 2: Next, Okay, the Bears defeat the Browns thirty one to three. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the pass was insane. Oh I thought it was incompletion
Speaker 2: because I had the sound off, but that that was wild.
Speaker 1: Well, there was a pat so that pass right after
Speaker 1: it happened, I thought it was picked and it was
Speaker 1: a touchdown right door at a pass that I thought
Speaker 1: was a touchdown that ended up being paid. So a
Speaker 1: little unfortunate. Some of the you know, shador optimism, you know,
Speaker 1: gets tempered a bit after that game. We'll see how
Speaker 1: he responds in his final three games. Caleb, though, just
Speaker 1: shows you flashes where you're like, holy shit, this guy
Speaker 1: an MVP. He needs to be more consistent. But the
Speaker 1: Bears now have ten wins, and they win this weekend
Speaker 1: and they lock themselves into the playoffs. It would now
Speaker 1: take a collapse for Chicago to miss the playoffs. And
Speaker 1: so that's a hell of a year for them.
Speaker 2: Next, yep, forty nine to defeat the Titans thirty seven
Speaker 2: to twenty four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Niners just quietly stay alive for the one
Speaker 1: seed Purty playing his best ball. And I know that's
Speaker 1: the Titans, But the Niners dealing with all these injuries
Speaker 1: and it is, they are quietly a very scary playoff
Speaker 1: team at the moment. All right, let's go to the
Speaker 1: listener questions demanse Uh.
Speaker 2: First off, we got a bunch of people in the
Speaker 2: chat are asking about Eric beenemy coming back and eventually
Speaker 2: being the successor to Andy.
Speaker 1: Listen, maybe he comes back. I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be the successor to Andy. I for one reason or another,
Speaker 1: Like there's a reason nobody has hired bne Me to
Speaker 1: be their head coach. It just and so I do
Speaker 1: think that when Andy hangs it up, that becomes a job.
Speaker 1: The opportunity to coach Mahomes for his thirties makes it
Speaker 1: one of the most attractive openings in NFL history.
Speaker 2: Next, Yeah, Eric says Nick, You're always skeptical, skeptical about
Speaker 2: insider supporting on injury slash recovery and their positive spin.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna keep the same energy with Mahomes or
Speaker 2: do you think his recovery will be perfect?
Speaker 1: So I gotta tell you, Eric, I don't really appreciate
Speaker 1: the tone of the question. Uh, I am of like,
Speaker 1: here is what I know. I know that all of
Speaker 1: the reporting post mahomes surgery and in recovery will be
Speaker 1: that he's ahead of schedule, that the surgery went great,
Speaker 1: and that will tell us nothing, and then we will
Speaker 1: see what ends up happening by what the timeline actually is.
Speaker 1: Am I hoping that it goes really well? Of course? Well,
Speaker 1: I believe that it is going well because of the
Speaker 1: insider reporting. No, I mean I am. I am pretty
Speaker 1: consistent with that. All right.
Speaker 3: Next TG asked, you said that Mahomes needs to do
Speaker 3: more in less time to catch Tom with this injury.
Speaker 2: I think the goat doors closed. The boat door is
Speaker 2: still there though, thought.
Speaker 1: No, I don't listen, I disagree with you that the
Speaker 1: goat door is closed. I think that it is. It's
Speaker 1: always was going to have been a very tough hill
Speaker 1: to climb. But if he is back week one next year,
Speaker 1: then he is still ahead of pace. He just as
Speaker 1: I've talked about, needs to be way ahead of pace
Speaker 1: because I don't think he's gonna play until he's forty
Speaker 1: five like Tom did. But that's neither you know, that's
Speaker 1: a discussion for another day. All right. Reminder, everybody like rate,
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