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Speaker 1: Welcome in What's drive in the great episode four to four.

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Speaker 1: This episode, as always, is brought to you by Boost

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Speaker 1: Mobile as we get into the kind of the PostScript

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Speaker 1: era of this iteration of the dynasty of the last

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Speaker 1: decade my Kansas City Chiefs as the season from Hell

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Speaker 1: comes crashing down in sports tragic fashion with Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: suffering a torn ACL and LCL in the waning moments

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Speaker 1: of another frustrating bad game for the Chiefs as a whole,

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Speaker 1: which was every game they played after the bye kind

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Speaker 1: of felt the same, except for the cow Boys game,

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Speaker 1: where the offense got going but the defense couldn't get

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Speaker 1: any stops, And where they all felt the same was

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Speaker 1: they just didn't look like the Chiefs at any point

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Speaker 1: post October this year. So and now what will they

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Speaker 1: look like as we get into whether or not Travis

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Speaker 1: Kelcey is going to continue playing, what Patrick is going

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Speaker 1: to look like post acl and all of that. So

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Speaker 1: that will be the lead of today's show, obviously, But

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Speaker 1: there's other news, and some of the other news is

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Speaker 1: in a weird way tied in with the Chiefs. Says,

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Speaker 1: you could make an argument that the single best defensive

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Speaker 1: player during Patrick's career, he's been the best player in football.

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Speaker 1: You could make an argument that over that same timeline,

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Speaker 1: the best defensive player in football's been Micah Parsons. I

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Speaker 1: know Miles Garrett, you know, would take issue with that,

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Speaker 1: but he's started in the discussion. And Micah also lost

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Speaker 1: for the season to a torn acl so we will

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Speaker 1: get into that. The Patriots collapse against Buffalo that Monday

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Speaker 1: Night football. Are the Steelers for real? All of that

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Speaker 1: coming up. Demons, How are you? I got your Christmas card?

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Speaker 1: That is, you have officially sent out Christmas cards in

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Speaker 1: your lifetime before I've ever sent them out in my lifetime,

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Speaker 1: So hat tip to you on that one. I am

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Speaker 1: a feeling that was more Maddie's doing than you're doing. However,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to comment on that. Yeah, you're probably

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Speaker 2: more correct than you're not correct.

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Speaker 1: But those were. It was delightful to get those. Great

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Speaker 1: to see you, and we'll get right into it. Straight

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Speaker 1: are shutting down Jayden Daniels for the year, or they are.

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Speaker 1: Their season from Hell's different from Kansas City's, but maybe

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Speaker 1: in some ways more torturous after they felt so close

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Speaker 1: last year and it's like, Okay, next year, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be awesome. Instead next year they're they're not good and

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Speaker 1: their quarterback suffers multiple injuries and now they're just shutting

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Speaker 1: him down. Fernando Mendoza wins the Heisman Trophy and Diego

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Speaker 1: or Spotify. But demands, let's get right into it. Chiefs lose,

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Speaker 1: Chiefs eliminated, Patrick injured.

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Speaker 2: One of the weirdestest reason that I've had to do

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Speaker 2: for this show. It was very strange. Chiefs eliminated from

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Speaker 3: They're done.

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Speaker 2: Yesterdayson you said that this was the end of a

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Speaker 2: chapter or in the via chapter.

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Speaker 1: So I'll get into that part in a second. First,

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Speaker 1: I want to say this, this is pro football, and

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Speaker 1: this Yes, this is my hometown team, and yes I

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Speaker 1: have a personal relationship for with Patrick, and so Andy's

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Speaker 1: extra gutting in the short term, and we'll see what

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Speaker 1: it means in the long term. But I don't want

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Speaker 1: to overstate the how do I put this, because the

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Speaker 1: devastation of the moment is real. The sympathy or empathy

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Speaker 1: or whatever right now, I think that's overstated because this

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Speaker 1: is pro football, and this happens, and it was the

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Speaker 1: Chief's turn to have the year from hell, and it

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Speaker 1: was sadly Patrick's turned to roll craps, and he was

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Speaker 1: And there's a tax to all of it. There just is.

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Speaker 1: And there is a cost to the twenty game seasons.

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Speaker 1: There is a cost to the offensive line injuries. There

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Speaker 1: is a cost to Patrick's refusal to sit out a

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Speaker 1: I'm sick for myself, but I'm also the Patriots and

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Speaker 1: their fans watch Tom Brady go down the first week

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Speaker 1: Like this is pro sports and this sport in particular,

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Speaker 1: And so I I am trying to balance how much

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Speaker 1: the reality of we now have a line of demarcation

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Speaker 1: in Patrick's career that's going to be before and after

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Speaker 1: I and I can recognize that and do me a favorite. Guys,

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Speaker 1: don't put questions in the rundown near the top of it. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: this is a production note while we're doing it. It's good.

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Speaker 1: all of that while also not feeling like woe is me?

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Speaker 1: Is appropriate. This has been as good of a seven

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Speaker 1: This seven years matches any seven years the Patriots had,

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Speaker 1: You can say that one was better, but it's at

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Speaker 1: Obviously they missed the playoffs the year Tom missed. They

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Speaker 1: In this regard, I was wrong about this team. They

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Speaker 1: into that game and had looked great. It was like, man,

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Speaker 1: I came to terms with where this Chiefs team was

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Speaker 1: Was wrong. I talked a lot of shit, poked at

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Speaker 1: Mahomes numbers after the bye the Cowboys game notwithstanding, were ghastly.

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Speaker 1: personal accountability by everyone involved in the team. And hey,

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Speaker 1: how do we make sure the next time Patrick takes

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Speaker 1: There is a reason only one team ever's gone to

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Speaker 1: There is a reason only three other teams ever had

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Speaker 2: So, if Burrow's press conference last week wasn't bad enough,

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Speaker 1: the Packers and the Steelers have the Lions in the

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Speaker 1: do you think.

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Speaker 2: We have the more winnable game this week? But but yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's three weeks left.

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Speaker 1: I mean you think that I don't know that the

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Speaker 1: Lions are worse than the Patriots or better than the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: Like I think it's a toss up.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm more scared of the Lions just because

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Speaker 2: they've got the older, you know, older quarterback, more seasoned team.

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Speaker 1: No, that's fair, and they are certainly more death pritt

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Speaker 1: than New England. But New England knows if they lose

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Speaker 1: this game, they're basically eliminated from getting the bye, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, maybe Buffalo can catch them. I

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Speaker 1: just don't. I don't think the Ravens got it, and

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Speaker 1: I think there's a very real chance that Week eighteen

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And I guess the bright side for Ravens

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Speaker 1: fans would be if that happens. And because I think

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Speaker 1: the Ravens fans are over it, I think we're done

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Speaker 1: with I think John Harbaugh they have a mutual parting

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Speaker 1: of ways. Yeah, I do think that we'll get more

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Speaker 1: to the Steelers in their win last night, which is

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Speaker 1: kind of part of what I part of the reason

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Speaker 1: I'm skeptical of the Ravens right now is Rogers is

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Speaker 1: playing the best. You know, he was awesome two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: He was good enough last night. And and the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: after Tomlin's on the hot seat, they get back to

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Speaker 1: back quality wins and now we're staring at you know,

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Speaker 1: they still have the Browns on the schedules we mentioned,

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Speaker 1: if they can find a way to go to Detroit

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Speaker 1: and win, they feel like we potentially can just clinch

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Speaker 1: the division in Week seventeen against Cleveland. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: go to the next game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Denver's on eleven game winning streak after beating green

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Speaker 2: Bay with a little bit of a surprise win. They

468
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Speaker 2: had the number one seed going into Week fifteen green Bay,

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Speaker 2: but the Packers lost the game and obviously Michael Parsons

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Speaker 2: went down. Where do you think Green Bay fans expectations

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Speaker 2: should be for this season?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that I think it's now too

473
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Speaker 1: much injury wise. I think that their best. If you

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Speaker 1: take out their quarterback, their most important all defensive players,

475
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Speaker 1: Tucker Craft, he's done for the year, Their most important

476
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Speaker 1: defensive players. Micah Parsons, He's done for the year. And

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Speaker 1: this is why I didn't want to This is one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons why I didn't want to do like

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Speaker 1: too much, like woe is me, poor Chiefs fans off

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Speaker 1: the top, Like I mean, if you're a Packers fan

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Speaker 1: and you haven't been to a super Bowl in fifteen years,

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Speaker 1: and you have felt all year long like this team

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Speaker 1: is super Bowl caliber, and you're coming off finally looking

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Speaker 1: like the team that you thought you could be at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the year. Four straight wins, beating the Lions,

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Speaker 1: beating the Bears, You're up nine against Denver, and then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden it turns on you and Mike

488
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Speaker 1: is out for the year, and now you Green Bay

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Speaker 1: are like, oh shit, for we were staring at the

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Speaker 1: one seed. We're now need to make sure we win

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Speaker 1: this weekend against Chicago or else us. You know, could

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Speaker 1: we slip out of the playoff picture? Probably not. But

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Speaker 1: if we lose this week into Chicago, are we going

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Speaker 1: to be on the road as a wild card in

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Speaker 1: the brutal NFC? Yes, And so I I just don't

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Speaker 1: think you can sustain. This is the comp I used

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Speaker 1: on the show yesterday. If four years ago to Monsey,

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Speaker 1: with a month left in the season, the Chiefs lost

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Speaker 1: Kelsey and Chris Jones, we'd be like, oh, we're just

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Speaker 1: We're just and yeah, they already lost Craft and they

501
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Speaker 1: were overcoming it, and now to lose Micah. I just

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Speaker 1: think Mike is such a difference maker and such a

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Speaker 1: great player.

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Speaker 2: Different Oh sorry, go ahead, how differently do you feel

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Speaker 2: about Micah's future comeback versus malmes.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, I also I do think this. I think

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Speaker 1: that that it is. I think an ACL can be

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Speaker 1: a tougher injury for a pass rusher than a quarterback

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Speaker 1: with the bend and the explosiveness and the speed and

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Speaker 1: the athleticism Micah has, so it would I think it

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Speaker 1: is more. Again, I think they both are young enough

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Speaker 1: and sick enough workers and good enough athletes to just

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Speaker 1: come back from it full strength. But if you were

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Speaker 1: to tell me one of those two guys is not

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Speaker 1: quite the same player post injury, you'd have to think

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Speaker 1: it's the guy who relies more on fast twitch and

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Speaker 1: his and.

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Speaker 3: That pushing at somebody.

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Speaker 1: Pushing, bending and all like all of it. That just

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Speaker 1: so I'm not I'm going to as a football fan

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Speaker 1: just believe they're both gonna come back as good as ever.

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Speaker 1: But it does feel like it can be a tougher

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Speaker 1: injury for that position. And I just I am I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm sick for him. Uh And I'm really really

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Speaker 1: sick for Packer fans because this was a year you

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00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: definitely had a real chance to win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And listen, Packer fans. I hope this gets clipped and

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Speaker 1: used against me, and genuinely sincerely, I don't want you

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Speaker 1: guys to be cooked because of injury. I opened six

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Speaker 1: weeks you guys send this to me like fucking told

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Speaker 1: you we could. I don't want to be right that

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Speaker 1: injuries ruined your season, But man, it feels like injuries

533
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Speaker 1: might have ruined your season. Let's do the other side

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Speaker 1: of the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was on the winning side. Do you believe

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Speaker 2: in what you're seeing out of bo Nicks over the

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Speaker 2: last month?

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Speaker 3: Look pretty good? Making the right plays.

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Speaker 1: More than making the right plays. That game against the Packers,

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Speaker 1: he was awesome. And I am trying to weigh all

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Speaker 1: of this at once. Prior a month ago, he was

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Speaker 1: unequivocally the weak link of that team. A month ago,

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Speaker 1: going into that Chiefs game, he was having a bad season.

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Speaker 1: They were winning despite him. He then played really well

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Speaker 1: in the Chiefs game, then played really well in was

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Speaker 1: it the Vikings game? I can't even did they play

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Speaker 1: the I can't remember if they played the Vikings. No, Washington.

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Speaker 1: It was the Washington game, the game that Mariota had

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Speaker 1: the two point conversion knockdown, and then he played the

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Speaker 1: best game he's ever played against Denver against Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: He's a young player. As far as he's in year two,

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Speaker 1: he should be getting better. So all of that is

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Speaker 1: fair and true. What is also fair and true is this,

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Speaker 1: there wasn't a thing from his first year and a

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Speaker 1: half that made you believe he could be the starting

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Speaker 1: quarterback of a super Bowl team. Now the last month

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Speaker 1: he's been excellent, and if he just plays be football,

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Speaker 1: Denver can win a super Bowl. The defense is great,

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Speaker 1: the offensive line is great. Sean Payton, as much as

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00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: he annoys me, has been excellent, and they have a

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Speaker 1: stranglehold demands on the one seed. Their comeback, combined with

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Speaker 1: the Patriots collapse, put them in such a great position

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Speaker 1: to get the one seed, which is so valuable. So

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Speaker 1: I still don't believe, to be clear, but I am wow. No,

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Speaker 1: I I am giving credit for the last month of football.

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Speaker 1: I also think it is going to end up having

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Speaker 1: been an aberration in who he is as a player.

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Speaker 1: But I also have to be prepared for this to

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Speaker 2: This would be a seat like a real, real, real

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Speaker 2: season from hell for you.

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Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, but I mean it's alright, listen, the

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Speaker 1: the Broncos potentially being the one seed when I picked

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Speaker 1: category three. That is, they just stone wrong and I

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Speaker 1: gotta eat it bo Nicks turning into a legit franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I might have to create a new category on how

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Speaker 1: wrong that would make me. I still have a hard

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Speaker 2: So the Bills came out there and showed the Patriots

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Speaker 3: Who's second in the as well?

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Speaker 1: Listen, right now, the Bills are my pick to win

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Speaker 1: I do not imagine is going to present itself again

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Speaker 1: anytime soon. That's all. I don't think Josh is likely

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Speaker 1: it from the wild card position, but they should have

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Speaker 1: a Round one game against the AFC North winner that's

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Speaker 1: I think they're ahead of schedule. The my where I

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Speaker 1: that was a devastating loss. This weekend. You have a

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Speaker 1: then no big deal. But if you're like man, it's

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Speaker 1: I then that's a devastating loss. And I will also say,

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Speaker 1: while my pick would be Buffalo, look out for the

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Speaker 1: Jags now look Out average thirty two points per game

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Speaker 1: since they're bye, that's like seven weeks ago. Since Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 1: they're beating people by twenty two points a game. Trevor

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Speaker 1: has ten touchdowns, no picks, a one twenty rating. He's

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Speaker 2: I guess it was the betting the Jags, and I

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Speaker 1: I traded Jet. I traded Wilds, the uh Royal Trumpeteers

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Speaker 1: talk a little Seahawks colts.

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Speaker 2: So Philip Rivers came really close and one of the

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Speaker 2: fun games of the weekend to defeating the Seahawks, but

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Speaker 2: he couldn't quite do it.

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Speaker 3: Is this just a field goal feel good story or

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Speaker 3: is there something here?

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Speaker 1: No, I everybody was talking about this like it was

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Speaker 1: a make a wish thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, can we just see the.

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Speaker 1: Guy threw twenty seven passes for one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: yards and at the end of the game through the

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Speaker 1: interception down two that ended the game. Like again, now

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Speaker 1: they only had twenty seconds, it would have been an

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Speaker 1: amazing job. So I'm not killing him for it. But

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Speaker 1: this was not a success. It was And if it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: we just wanted him to get out of there without

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Speaker 1: getting injured. Your defense did an amazing job to forest

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Speaker 1: Buckner back. Your defense did a great job on Seattle,

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Speaker 1: holding them to six field goals. That was a winnable game.

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Speaker 1: But when all of your passes go for two yards,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be in a rough spot. I was shocked

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Speaker 1: they didn't have that. Seattle didn't blitz him more. It

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Speaker 1: almost like it seemed it seemed I mean, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: they needed the game, like Seattle in Seattle, San Francisco

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Speaker 1: and the Rams they all look awesome, but two of

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Speaker 1: them are gonna be wild cards. And Seattle and the

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Speaker 1: Rams played each other this Thursday, and go ahead, I

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Speaker 1: know you have follow up here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yes, yeah, you've been on the Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: You've been on the Seahawks for a while.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Are you concerned? And how close this game was with

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Speaker 2: Philip Rivers at quarterback?

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Speaker 1: No. I think honestly, they saw Philip Rivers was starting

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Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, this game is not for and

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Speaker 1: they have the Rams coming up in four days. So

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Speaker 1: the fact that they were able to escape with a win,

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Speaker 1: I think your concern about Seattle is going to be

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Speaker 1: is Darnold gonna play really poorly come the playoffs. But

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Speaker 1: since that Rams loss, uh, you know, they blew out

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Speaker 1: the Vikings, they blew out the Falcons, they escape against

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Speaker 1: the Colts, and then now they go Rams, Panthers, Niners

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Speaker 1: and really tough slate to end the year home though

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Speaker 1: against the Rams. Rams won't to have DeVante Adams, and

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Speaker 1: you know that could determine the one seed in the NFC.

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Speaker 1: All right, you want to do a play a game

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Speaker 1: here before we move off.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Cam Newton came out and was really mad.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't say really mad. It seemed like he was

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Speaker 2: a little upset that he didn't get called for that.

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Speaker 1: Was really mad. Oh, totally fair to say he was

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Speaker 1: really mad.

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Speaker 2: So I just tried to think in my head, like,

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Speaker 2: would the Colts have won that game with Cam Newton?

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Speaker 2: And I gotta say yes, But I'm gonna ask you

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Speaker 2: a number of quarterbacks if they would have had instead

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Speaker 2: of Philip Rivers, would they have won the game?

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Speaker 3: So first off is Cam Newton? Oh go ahead? Sorry, sorry,

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Speaker 3: I love Cam.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: I shoulder was shot when he last played, Yeah, was shot.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't throw the ball anymore. And so my answer

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Speaker 1: is no, they wouldn't have won the game with Cam Newton.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll go to the next one.

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Speaker 1: No, his shoulder was also shot. They wouldn't have won

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Speaker 1: the game with him.

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Speaker 3: Drew Brees.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, Okay, I I given out. Maybe I think it

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Speaker 1: was a close. Wasn't blitzing him. I'm gonna say maybe.

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Speaker 3: Eli Manning.

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Speaker 1: Eli, No, Eli's retired a year before Philip did. No, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's or maybe the same year as Philip, but doesn't matter. No,

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't have won with Eli.

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Speaker 2: Peyton Manny Eli At I'm not trying to come for

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Speaker 2: the man, but like Eli doesn't really look like Philip

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Speaker 2: Rivers looks like I'm retired. Like he looks like he's

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Speaker 2: been for a minute. It looks like he might still

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Speaker 2: have a little bit of Yeah. But Peyton Peyton, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes. Okay, care long he's been retired.

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Speaker 1: I think given what the what we saw from Philip,

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Speaker 1: how quick it was, I'm going to say yes with Peyton,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady no question might have won him out execut

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Speaker 1: with how it worked.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Andrew Luck last one.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes as well to Luck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now Luck hasn't he just left. Yeah, but he's only

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Speaker 1: like thirty six, So yeah, I'm gonna say yes with

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Speaker 2: First off, Thursday night football game, Falcons defeat the Buccaneers

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Speaker 2: twenty nine to twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: That was a disastrous loss for Tampa and put them

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Speaker 1: in a position where if the Panthers had just been

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Speaker 1: able to beat the Saints this weekend, which they weren't,

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Speaker 1: so we'll address that game here too, that the Bucks

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Speaker 1: terrible loss. Tampa now retakes control of the division. But

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Speaker 1: that you're up fourteen in the fourth quarter in that

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Speaker 1: game against Atlanta. That is an awful loss for Tampa.

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Speaker 1: And BA got to play better and the defense has

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Speaker 1: to play better. I still believe they're gonna make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: but that was awful.

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Speaker 3: Next Rams defeats the Lions fort like that game.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so this and we'll get to the Eagles

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Speaker 1: Raiders in a minute. The and let me in fact,

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Speaker 1: let me just do that. Yeah, we'll get to the

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Speaker 1: Eagles Raiders in a minute. Uh. I think that the

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Speaker 1: Rams just weekend week out look like the best team

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Speaker 1: in football, and the Lions are now way behind the

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Speaker 1: eight ball on making the playoffs. He's expanded playoff field Lions,

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Speaker 1: after all the injuries last year, be really devastating for

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Speaker 1: them not to make the playoffs. But they've just gone

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Speaker 1: win loss, win loss, win loss, win loss win loss

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Speaker 1: for like nine weeks in a row. And the Rams.

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Speaker 1: The DeVante Adams hamstring is concerning, especially because they have

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Speaker 1: such a huge game this weekend or not this week

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. But if I'm them, I'm telling Davante, We'll

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Speaker 1: see you in the playoffs. We need you healthy for

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Speaker 1: the postseason. I mean, right now, they look like they

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Speaker 1: have the league MVPN, that they're the best team, all right.

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Speaker 3: Next, Eagles to feed the Raiders thirty one to zero.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so listen, it's hard to have a preseason pick

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Speaker 1: more wrong than my Raiders belief. And they're just the

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Speaker 1: worst team in the NFL, which makes it hard to determine.

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Speaker 1: Did the Eagles fix their issues or did they just

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Speaker 1: play the Raiders? And so I guess we'll see with

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Speaker 1: how but it's just hard to take anything from a

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Speaker 1: Raiders game at this point because they're so bad.

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Speaker 2: Next the Sunday night game, Fvikings to feed the Cowboys

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Speaker 2: thirty four to twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. JJ McCarthy played the best game of his pro career,

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Speaker 1: and the Cowboys essentially into their playoff hopes, and George

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Speaker 1: Pickens seems like he's, you know, just really in a

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Speaker 1: quest to tank his free agency market in a way

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Speaker 1: I don't understand, And the Cowboys get their fans hopes

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Speaker 1: up and then the last two weeks they come crashing down.

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Speaker 3: Next.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Texans defeat the Cardinals forty to twenty.

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Speaker 1: The Texans are legitimately very scary team right now, Like

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Speaker 1: you could argue that they are the second scariest team

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Speaker 1: in the AFC right in this moment. And see if

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Speaker 1: CJ starts keeps playing well with that defense. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: can play with anybody. Next.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Commanders defeat the Giants twenty nine to twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Didn't watch second of this game. I got nothing for

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Speaker 1: you on it.

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Speaker 2: Next, Okay, the Bears defeat the Browns thirty one to three. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the pass was insane. Oh I thought it was incompletion

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Speaker 2: because I had the sound off, but that that was wild.

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Speaker 1: Well, there was a pat so that pass right after

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Speaker 1: it happened, I thought it was picked and it was

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Speaker 1: a touchdown right door at a pass that I thought

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Speaker 1: was a touchdown that ended up being paid. So a

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Speaker 1: little unfortunate. Some of the you know, shador optimism, you know,

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Speaker 1: gets tempered a bit after that game. We'll see how

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Speaker 1: he responds in his final three games. Caleb, though, just

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Speaker 1: shows you flashes where you're like, holy shit, this guy

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Speaker 1: an MVP. He needs to be more consistent. But the

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Speaker 1: Bears now have ten wins, and they win this weekend

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Speaker 1: and they lock themselves into the playoffs. It would now

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Speaker 1: take a collapse for Chicago to miss the playoffs. And

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Speaker 1: so that's a hell of a year for them.

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Speaker 2: Next, yep, forty nine to defeat the Titans thirty seven

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Speaker 2: to twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Niners just quietly stay alive for the one

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Speaker 1: seed Purty playing his best ball. And I know that's

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Speaker 1: the Titans, But the Niners dealing with all these injuries

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Speaker 1: and it is, they are quietly a very scary playoff

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Speaker 1: team at the moment. All right, let's go to the

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Speaker 1: listener questions demanse Uh.

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Speaker 2: First off, we got a bunch of people in the

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Speaker 2: chat are asking about Eric beenemy coming back and eventually

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Speaker 2: being the successor to Andy.

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Speaker 1: Listen, maybe he comes back. I don't think he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be the successor to Andy. I for one reason or another,

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Speaker 1: Like there's a reason nobody has hired bne Me to

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Speaker 1: be their head coach. It just and so I do

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Speaker 1: think that when Andy hangs it up, that becomes a job.

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Speaker 1: The opportunity to coach Mahomes for his thirties makes it

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Speaker 1: one of the most attractive openings in NFL history.

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Speaker 2: Next, Yeah, Eric says Nick, You're always skeptical, skeptical about

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Speaker 2: insider supporting on injury slash recovery and their positive spin.

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna keep the same energy with Mahomes or

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Speaker 2: do you think his recovery will be perfect?

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Speaker 1: So I gotta tell you, Eric, I don't really appreciate

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Speaker 1: the tone of the question. Uh, I am of like,

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Speaker 1: here is what I know. I know that all of

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Speaker 1: the reporting post mahomes surgery and in recovery will be

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Speaker 1: that he's ahead of schedule, that the surgery went great,

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Speaker 1: and that will tell us nothing, and then we will

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Speaker 1: see what ends up happening by what the timeline actually is.

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Speaker 1: Am I hoping that it goes really well? Of course? Well,

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Speaker 1: I believe that it is going well because of the

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Speaker 1: insider reporting. No, I mean I am. I am pretty

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Speaker 1: consistent with that. All right.

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Speaker 3: Next TG asked, you said that Mahomes needs to do

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Speaker 3: more in less time to catch Tom with this injury.

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Speaker 2: I think the goat doors closed. The boat door is

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Speaker 2: still there though, thought.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't listen, I disagree with you that the

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Speaker 1: goat door is closed. I think that it is. It's

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Speaker 1: always was going to have been a very tough hill

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Speaker 1: to climb. But if he is back week one next year,

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Speaker 1: then he is still ahead of pace. He just as

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Speaker 1: I've talked about, needs to be way ahead of pace

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Speaker 1: because I don't think he's gonna play until he's forty

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Speaker 1: five like Tom did. But that's neither you know, that's

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Speaker 1: a discussion for another day. All right. Reminder, everybody like rate,

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