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Speaker 1: On today's episode of Tickets to the Draft, we have

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Speaker 1: Connor Rogers, NBC Draft analysts. Man, he's so good at

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Speaker 1: his job, and we get in a spirited conversation about

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Speaker 1: tight ends and defensive backs and preview Day two of

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Speaker 1: the combine, and then me and just the guy, Jason,

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Speaker 1: we give you all the details, who ran fast, who

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Speaker 1: ran slow, who made themselves money to day.

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Speaker 2: It all starts right now, And welcome to the Ticket

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Speaker 2: of the Draft podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Logan Paulson here with Jessic Guy, Jason and Jason.

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Speaker 1: Today we have a very special event.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have Connor Rodgers from NBC Sports and PFFS

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Speaker 3: NFL Stock Exchange.

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Speaker 1: And he is such a special guest to have because

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Speaker 1: he is so locked in with the draft content. He

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Speaker 1: gets to do interviews with a lot of the prospects

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Speaker 1: here on Radio Row on the other side of that

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Speaker 1: curtain over there where everybody's hanging out, and he does

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Speaker 1: a great job, and so it gives a really awesome

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Speaker 1: insight into the players. And I think one of the

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Speaker 1: things that I enjoyed about having him on was it's

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Speaker 1: a very high level view. Yeah, there's also enough specificity

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Speaker 1: for the commandager you say, man like, he is so good.

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Speaker 2: At what he does. He's so good at his job.

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Speaker 1: So we're able to talk DB's kind of give a

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Speaker 1: little preview, not necessarily of what they do today on

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Speaker 1: the field, but just of the class in general, and

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Speaker 1: also of tight end, which I thought was pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the tight end conversation is great because you

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Speaker 3: love tight ends and he's locked in. So the two

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Speaker 3: of you guys had like I would say, a spirited

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Speaker 3: conversation about tight ends. Like not much, not like disagreement,

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Speaker 3: but you guys were like both. It was like a

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Speaker 3: good tag team in the WWE.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's and again I'm gonna say this again,

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Speaker 2: he is a beast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: His ability to have recall, he's met He's met Tyler Warren,

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Speaker 1: he's met Colston Loveland, He's met these guys that are

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Speaker 1: going to be first round draft picks, and so to

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Speaker 1: have that relationship and understand who they are kind of

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Speaker 1: it was pretty special.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the two of you are going to have

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Speaker 3: like a little preview of what tonight's combine was, and

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Speaker 3: then after the Rogers we're going to get back together

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Speaker 3: after the combined ends, and we're going to talk about, hey,

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Speaker 3: were you guys right, and get up a little breakdown

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Speaker 3: what actually happened to combine, like how we do in

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Speaker 3: every episode.

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Speaker 2: So here's Connor Rogers.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so with us, here is Connor Rogers, NBC Sports

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Speaker 3: Draft analysts. Also you can hear them with Trevor sick

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Speaker 3: them out on the PFF NFL Stock Exchange. We're super

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Speaker 3: excited to have you here. Really smart guy. Every time

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Speaker 3: you you came on last year, learned a lot from you.

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Speaker 3: I listened to your pod all the time. With Trevor,

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Speaker 3: I learn a lot. It's fantastic. And actually Logan and

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Speaker 3: I were talking the other day. We also do the

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Speaker 3: or at least I do. Volume on TV needs to

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Speaker 3: be an even numbers or fives, like that's it. It's

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Speaker 3: gotta be that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and my wife thinks I'm crazy.

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Speaker 5: I think you're crazy too, though it's always one person

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Speaker 5: in the relationship that's like that psychopath that like starts

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Speaker 4: One of the things that being OCD is really good.

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Speaker 3: One of the things I did when buying a new

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Speaker 4: Who made that? Somebody?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So I'm just gonna let you guys go.

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Speaker 3: So because cornerbacks and tight ends are going, today's kind

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Speaker 3: talk about all the time is that cornerback is for

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Speaker 2: For, right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean obviously at its most basic to me,

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Speaker 5: if you have experience doing that, the translation to me

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Speaker 4: Like azari A. Thomas in this classrom Florida State.

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Speaker 5: but he played over three hundred snaps in man coverage

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Speaker 5: you feel a little more confident about the guy's transition,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I think that's a great point

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Speaker 1: because it really comes down to, like, in my opinion,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So when I really tap into a guy, it's

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Speaker 5: It's great, Like instincts and eyes and anticipation, all those

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Speaker 5: But man, you're right, like how a guy moves and

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Speaker 1: And I think the other thing too that I think

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Speaker 1: Everyone gets so infatuated with their movement skill, which is important,

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Speaker 1: But to me, if they don't tackle and if they're

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Speaker 4: Which is great.

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Speaker 5: Like I think it's awesome, and I'll tell you right now,

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Speaker 5: size and speed and the movement skills. But you can

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Speaker 5: start at the top, like and Travis Hunter said it here. Okay,

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Speaker 5: I'm not breaking news. Like tackling it needs to improve

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Speaker 5: a little bit. Will Johnson's a bigger guy. I don't

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Speaker 1: But I started to interrupt you, But even though he's

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Speaker 1: wondering how he's gonna run. That's number one. Everyone's got

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. There's no, there's no layup.

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Speaker 5: I would say, like, there's no layup, like Travis is

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Speaker 4: I know he thinks he's going.

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Speaker 2: To do both. We'll see. Uh.

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Speaker 1: That's another thing I wanted to ask you because, like,

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Speaker 1: So obviously we mentioned tackling. I think he's relatively physical.

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Speaker 1: I think he moves well all those things you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: But I do think there is a lack of, like

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Speaker 1: He's physical, he's like this wild horse you can tell

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Speaker 1: It's like, how detrimental is that? And can he learn

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Speaker 5: because he just there was no technique. He was like,

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Speaker 5: And now he's made really big strides. But you turn

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of leit athletes revel You brought up

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Speaker 5: the guy from ECU, that's like number one thing with him,

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Speaker 5: it's like that's like we got to kind of see that,

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Speaker 5: a huge learning curve too, man, It's huge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's again so interesting. And the

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Speaker 1: other thing that I find really hard with corners is

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Speaker 1: like and every element of the college game there's differences

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Speaker 1: to the NFL game, but I feel like a corner specifically,

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Speaker 1: bigger jump to the NFL level with quarterback play, And again, like,

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Speaker 1: how do you negotiate that with your evaluation?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 5: It's difficult because you think of recent years like Sauce

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but even I think Sauce Garter is a great example.

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Speaker 2: A great It's great by you guys, it's awesome.

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Speaker 5: It's just more nuanced with the fans that are like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think and this to kind of piggyback

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Speaker 1: You gotta fit a run and so right just seems

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Speaker 4: It's it's tough.

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Speaker 5: And having his former teammates Sebastian Castro here who's listed

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Speaker 5: him and that's part of the game he loves. He

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Speaker 1: What's interstally, you mentioned Cooper Degene because last year I

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Speaker 5: bit more uh sandpaper in that secondary is how Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think it totally revamped the DNA of that back

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about tenans here in a second,

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Speaker 1: But do you have a player in this draft because

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of guys, a kid from Georgia, kid

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Speaker 1: I hate to put you on the spot, but.

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Speaker 5: I no, it's okay. I actually like one to transition there.

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Speaker 5: And it's Jacob Parrish from Kansas State. He's five foot nine,

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Speaker 5: he's smaller. I think he's also twenty sprinting champion in

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Speaker 4: He played outside at college.

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Speaker 5: I just don't think that'll necessarily be what he'll do

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Speaker 5: at the next level. But he is so sticky man like,

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Speaker 5: he's in the hip pocket with everybody. If he can

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you right now.

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Speaker 5: Johday Baron in Texas, like I know, he played corner

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Speaker 2: He is the one that came to mind for me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, jah Day Barron is the like it's like a

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Speaker 5: He's actually brought him up as someone he likes. Baron's

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Speaker 5: the if you want to spend a first round pick

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Speaker 5: you know, I don't know how many teams always want

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great point too, is like the

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Speaker 2: Everyone space defense. Yeah, absolutely so why not? Right?

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Speaker 5: That's the goal is like you're always trying to like

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Speaker 5: I look at that with two tight ends on a

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Speaker 5: like you gotta have two tight ends. Like you don't

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Speaker 5: just trot out there anymore and say like, oh, we

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Speaker 5: changed a lot and rosters need to be deeper and deeper,

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Speaker 5: and you don't have eighty first round picks, so you

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Speaker 5: better learn how to evaluate people for what you want

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Speaker 5: to do.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point. And then you mentioned tight ends,

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about them. They're doing their thing today. Do

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Speaker 1: you have a guy in this class that you're really

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Speaker 1: like juice don that you think could be special.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited to see, if healthy, what Elijah Royo could do.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, like it's just what an interesting dude. It

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Speaker 5: talked to him this week. I mean when he was six,

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Speaker 5: his family moved at Mexico. He learned football in Spanish. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: learned football in Spanish. Was the biggest kid on the

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Speaker 5: so I was playing every position. He's like, everything I

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Speaker 5: I think it was his second year there. He towards

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Speaker 5: forgets about him. Cam Ward gets there, Elijah's healthy, Elijah

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Speaker 5: has a monster year, great Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 4: He just runs by everyone.

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Speaker 5: But you know what it was when he sat down

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Speaker 5: he's white. He's gonna get bigger.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 5: He came in two fifty two of the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 5: which was a that's a nice number for him. We'll

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Speaker 5: play even bigger. I mean, you can run like him.

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Speaker 5: Confidence is there. Arroyo is the guy like I know

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Speaker 5: The Royo is the day two guy that I'm like,

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Speaker 5: I think it could be a difference maker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I think the cool thing about this draft

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Speaker 1: who could be difference makers, right, like Harold Fannon Junior.

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Speaker 2: Like I don't really like how he run, but he.

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Speaker 1: Just works' and I keep to figure out. I keep

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Speaker 1: It might not look great, but it's it's happening.

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Speaker 5: Like all the numbers bros love him, and I'm like,

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Speaker 5: but I'm not a numbers bro. I'm like, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: It's it's he's a little stiff in some areas. He's

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Speaker 5: not big. He's going to probably play at two thirty five.

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Speaker 5: It was like a big slot play the receiver.

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Speaker 1: It's a weird vow, but like at the Senior Bowl, though,

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Speaker 1: but he's winning reps.

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Speaker 4: So he wins. He finds the ball.

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Speaker 5: There's something too, like these tight ends that are their

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Speaker 1: I think Trevic Bride's a really interesting colm because he

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Speaker 4: That, I know, I just am not confident he will.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so either, but he keeps surprising me.

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Speaker 4: Him behind Warren Lovelin Arroyo and Mason Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's talk about Mason Taylor, little bit guy from LSU, right,

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Speaker 1: because I actually like and it's probably my own bias

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Speaker 1: I work with Terrence Ferguson from Oregon.

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Speaker 4: I like him.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a special football player in terms of

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Speaker 2: Of like Travis Kelce, like kind of that fluid.

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Speaker 1: Almost looks like they're like lazy, drunk kind of out there,

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Speaker 1: Mason Taylor is interesting to me because I love the film.

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Speaker 1: I worry about the athlete a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I think he's so he I'm gonna talk to about

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Speaker 1: all outdoors, no doubt, but you know that only gets

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Speaker 4: Or are you a jack of all trades? Master? Not

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: He's a weird one for me because when we ranked

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Speaker 5: just think there's a tension to detail in everything he does.

439
00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,600
Speaker 1: We've talked, We've talked about that, so you know, cut

440
00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,280
Speaker 1: that out there. We've been talking about it. Get him right.

441
00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,560
Speaker 5: It's like nobody cares because they had a lot of

442
00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,720
Speaker 5: mouths to feed in that offense. But he did the

443
00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,680
Speaker 5: same thing every year, which in a compliment, like I

444
00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,840
Speaker 5: mean that as a compliment. It's like, oh cool, he's

445
00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,280
Speaker 5: a factor in our red zone. We could trust him

446
00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,440
Speaker 5: to play, I think both on the line and off

447
00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,120
Speaker 5: the line. And I think he has a lot of

448
00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,040
Speaker 5: attention to his footwork, where like you don't need to

449
00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,640
Speaker 5: run a four or five if you know how to

450
00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:42,080
Speaker 5: get open.

451
00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you brought up something there that I think is

452
00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,480
Speaker 1: maybe like, is the number one thing that I think

453
00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,800
Speaker 1: national draft media ignores the most about the position is

454
00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,480
Speaker 1: you have to be able to block a little bit right,

455
00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,880
Speaker 1: you're not a tight end if you don't correct. And

456
00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,360
Speaker 1: so if you're not a tight end, then you're a

457
00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,600
Speaker 1: slot receiver. And then think about the body types you're

458
00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,680
Speaker 1: competing with as a slot receiver. You know, you got

459
00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,720
Speaker 1: your Xavier Ristrepo or insert your crazy twitchy guy here, right.

460
00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,879
Speaker 1: So that's the thing that always gets me, is like,

461
00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,800
Speaker 1: you're not a tight end if you don't put your hint.

462
00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,359
Speaker 1: You gotta do I'm not saying you got to be

463
00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,080
Speaker 1: a killer, but you got to do.

464
00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:14,560
Speaker 2: Some of it.

465
00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,760
Speaker 1: And I've seen guys that get drafted as like kind

466
00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,280
Speaker 1: of that move f piece that never become what they

467
00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,040
Speaker 1: think they're going to be in the offense because they

468
00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,040
Speaker 1: can't actually play them. They can't play on the field

469
00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,680
Speaker 1: because they can't trust him to do tight end type things.

470
00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,080
Speaker 4: To a degree, it's we're learning the hard way a little.

471
00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,359
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, Yeah, like Kyle Pitts, and I think a

472
00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,520
Speaker 1: little bit with Donald could caate a little bit that

473
00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,080
Speaker 1: one is, yes, yeah, And that was a concern for

474
00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,320
Speaker 1: me because I didn't think he blocked in college. And

475
00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,960
Speaker 1: the thing is his effort was there, yeah, yeah, no doubt,

476
00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,240
Speaker 1: but the balance, the kind of just the baseline. Like

477
00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,960
Speaker 1: I think about Jordan Reid is a really good example.

478
00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,159
Speaker 1: Like Jordan Reid was basically a receiver, but if he

479
00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,720
Speaker 1: had to, he could block a defensive end and it

480
00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,480
Speaker 1: wasn't always pretty, but he knew like tight elbows, good feet,

481
00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,800
Speaker 1: good balance, enough to get in the way. Travis Kelce

482
00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,280
Speaker 1: when he first got in the league, like he was

483
00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,399
Speaker 1: pretty good in the run game, and then it's it

484
00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,480
Speaker 1: gives you a floor of like I can play in

485
00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,600
Speaker 1: these packages and not have to always catch the football.

486
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,640
Speaker 1: And it's something that I think we all wait every year.

487
00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,720
Speaker 1: It's like, let's find that move f and we always

488
00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:10,679
Speaker 1: forget about it always.

489
00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:11,320
Speaker 4: Is funny.

490
00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,280
Speaker 5: When we did the tight end rankings, I knew people

491
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,840
Speaker 5: were gonna flip out, so I just got it off

492
00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,440
Speaker 5: the top. I'm like, I didn't watch Ironde Gadsden from

493
00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,320
Speaker 5: Syracuse for this, and like, if you're I want to

494
00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,080
Speaker 5: know what he weighs in at the combine and then

495
00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,360
Speaker 5: we'll do the tight end rankings again.

496
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Speaker 4: If he's a tight end but you need to play

497
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Speaker 4: tight end to.

498
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Speaker 1: Be I think that's a really good, like a really

499
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,760
Speaker 1: good point because he's a guy that I think is

500
00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,960
Speaker 1: really interesting because he plays like a big slot outside

501
00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,720
Speaker 1: receiver type guy, but he looks like he's got enough

502
00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,080
Speaker 1: length to play in line. But they didn't ask him

503
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,800
Speaker 1: to do it a time. So it's I think that's

504
00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,040
Speaker 1: a really good question because you have to have a floor.

505
00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,040
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna give you all these cool packages, you

506
00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,240
Speaker 1: have to be able to do like that's exactly right,

507
00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,520
Speaker 1: cut off on the back side or something like that.

508
00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:48,879
Speaker 4: If you're just a slot receiver.

509
00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,720
Speaker 5: Okay, so I'm gonna rank you with you brought up

510
00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:55,399
Speaker 5: for Streppo Jalen Nol from Iowa State.

511
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Speaker 2: It's a freak.

512
00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:57,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, these guys are awesome. I want them in

513
00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:58,399
Speaker 4: my slot.

514
00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,920
Speaker 1: Even even Higgins from ia Was State might be a spot. Yeah,

515
00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,280
Speaker 1: it might be a big slot. The next that's the

516
00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,520
Speaker 1: type of athlete you're competing with. And I'm I love

517
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,840
Speaker 1: tight ends. I'm a big tight end guy, but I'm

518
00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,120
Speaker 1: not going to put you on the field over one

519
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,160
Speaker 1: of those players because they have so much more juice.

520
00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,520
Speaker 1: They can win a man man of situations.

521
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,400
Speaker 5: That's the problem. And then like when you look at

522
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,440
Speaker 5: the Georgia Tech kid Hawes.

523
00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,880
Speaker 1: Love, dude, I love he don't even say one, don't

524
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,280
Speaker 1: say one thing about him.

525
00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,360
Speaker 2: You right now, I'm pretty jacked.

526
00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,240
Speaker 5: Right, dude, he's awesome because I want to take him.

527
00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,120
Speaker 5: I want to draft him as my tight end too

528
00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,600
Speaker 5: and be like, cool, now I have a sixth offensive lineman.

529
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 1: S the commanders like John Bates, like, you need a

530
00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,280
Speaker 1: guy like that. It does so much for your run game,

531
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 1: does so much for your pass protection. He is he

532
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,679
Speaker 1: is so committed to that and I love it, man,

533
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 1: I love watching.

534
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,560
Speaker 4: It fall in on it. I think he h this

535
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,000
Speaker 4: happened with Tip Ryman last year.

536
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,960
Speaker 5: Yes, like no one, no one cared about Tip and

537
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 5: I think he went in the third round and her

538
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:55,959
Speaker 5: was like, oh God, like how did this?

539
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,159
Speaker 4: Like where did this come from? It's gonna happen with Hawes.

540
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,359
Speaker 1: So I have a lot of tight end coaches that

541
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 1: I still talk to in the NFL, and that is

542
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 1: when you talk to them about their lists. The main

543
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,640
Speaker 1: difference between the composition of Nationalists is like, if dude

544
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 1: can block, they value him way more because they know

545
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 1: what it does to the floor of your offense. So

546
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 1: I think that's something that again, I think we it's

547
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 1: so fun to talk about the pass catcher, that dynamic guy.

548
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,199
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, like Mason Taylor. I'm in on

549
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:20,639
Speaker 1: him because he does stuff in line, you know what

550
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, and he can do stuff in the

551
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:22,320
Speaker 1: past game.

552
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,120
Speaker 4: So and that's why Warren's going to be a top

553
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 4: twelve pick.

554
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 2: He is a freak, man.

555
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 4: It's just different.

556
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 2: He's a freak.

557
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:29,439
Speaker 4: It's different.

558
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:30,920
Speaker 1: I want you to talk about him for a second.

559
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 1: I've talked about him a lot.

560
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,479
Speaker 5: He's so fun to watch because it doesn't matter what

561
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 5: you ask him to do. I mean, he played quarterback

562
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 5: in high school, so then Penn State runs him in wildcat.

563
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 5: He looks pretty comfortable doing it. I think he's going

564
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 5: to be a Toush push cheat code at the next level.

565
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

566
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, okay, so this is the next Toush

567
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 5: push cheat code when I watch him. But I asked

568
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 5: him about this, I'm like, dude, it just looks you

569
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 5: look more excited. He had a blockkinst Illinois two minutes

570
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 5: left in the game. I think it was fourth down.

571
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 5: It was this is game on the line. He blows

572
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 5: the linebacker off the all into the stands, running back scores,

573
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 5: Penn State wins the game. I was like, you look

574
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 5: ten times more excited by that than any other Playoff've

575
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 5: seen from you. And he's he's like, blocking is just

576
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,400
Speaker 5: like what kind of gets him going. He's like, yeah,

577
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 5: in outside zone, He's like when I'm on the front side,

578
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 5: He's like, we call it getting the engine started, like

579
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 5: revving the engine, Like that's what kind of gets the

580
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 5: guy going, not the you know, eleven hundred receiving yards

581
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 5: or the He's just he's different like that where he

582
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 5: doesn't care how much he's involved in the box score.

583
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 5: He just wants to be in on every play with

584
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 5: physicality will come for him. I haven't landed one. He

585
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 5: likes shocky a lot.

586
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 2: Really, he and I looked.

587
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 5: I was like, ah, yeah, I kind of want to

588
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 5: go there.

589
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, he loves shockey.

590
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: I was talking to Jason about this. He kind of

591
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: reminds me it's probably the size, but like Rob Gronkountkowski,

592
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: that kind of like I'm always open. I'm a big body,

593
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: And I hate to make that comp.

594
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 4: Because everyone's afraid to do it because.

595
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: He's like one of the best and he's not the

596
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: same guy, but they kind of win the same way.

597
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 1: They compete in line, like it could be special, So.

598
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 5: He could be special, and I think the draftskin are

599
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 5: a that, Like, I just it's annoying because when you

600
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 5: put him in the top ten of a mock, everyone's

601
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 5: like a tight end, like and they just start like

602
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 5: throwing names in your face, and I'm like, do you

603
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 5: realize how multiple this guy allows an offense to be?

604
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 1: I have a question for you. So I've always kind

605
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 1: of kicked back this idea of like having a guy

606
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: that could run like kind of like a toush push package,

607
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: but like be your short yardage quarterback, you know what

608
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: I mean, kind of like Taysom Hill. And I think,

609
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: imagine if he could steal a couple four downs for

610
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: you or third like third and two, like because I

611
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: can run a little zone read with them or you

612
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: know whatever.

613
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 2: It looks like I don't.

614
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 5: Know, right, Pennce, they did it, Yeah, and nobody had

615
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 5: an answer. Yeah, So why is like And it's not

616
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 5: like why wouldn't work in the NFL?

617
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 4: I mean, he's what sixty six two sixty dude.

618
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 5: He's a big man, he's huge, carries it well, moves

619
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 5: well acceleration. I just you feel so good about him

620
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 5: as a player, Like if you if you shut down

621
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 5: the facility after Night one, of the draft in that

622
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 5: guy's come in to your facility to wear a uniform.

623
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 5: You're telling me you don't feel amazing the next day.

624
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: Can you talk about that for a second, because I

625
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: think everyone also talks about like upside.

626
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: But also I.

627
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: Think when you're picking an the top ten, top fifteen,

628
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: there's a floor element that you're looking for. And I

629
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: feel like, just because I feel like he's got it,

630
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: is there anybody else in the draft you're like, this

631
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: guy's got that floor.

632
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good one. This year feels a little

633
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 4: bit harder like last year.

634
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: I it is.

635
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 4: I have to think about this.

636
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 5: I know we're kind of underwhelmed by his measurements, but

637
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 5: Mason Graham, the tape is the tape, Like he's gonna

638
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 5: come in and you play him at three tech and

639
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 5: you ask him to hold the point of attack. I

640
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 5: think there's more pass rush in him than people realize.

641
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 5: Like he's got pretty good hips at that size. The

642
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 5: size is a little weird here. I thought he'd be

643
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 5: over three hundred pounds, but he's so strong pound for pound.

644
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 5: I like the floor with him. I think Loveland has

645
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 5: a really good floor. He's bigger than I thought like

646
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 5: he We had him come over to the set and

647
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 5: I'm like, damn, he's over sixty five. I think he's

648
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 5: gonna play closer to two sixty than people realize. He

649
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 5: won't play there, but like people think he's two forty.

650
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 2: How heavy was he?

651
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 4: I think he was two fifty two?

652
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: Here, good for you man? Yeah?

653
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 4: Yeah with an injury?

654
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,239
Speaker 2: Oh is he?

655
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 5: I think there's a show. I think there's a shoulder.

656
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 5: I want to make sure I'm right about that.

657
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: Well, we're not gonna hold you to it, but yeah,

658
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Speaker 2: some kind of injury. Yeah.

659
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Speaker 5: So if it's number body injury and he's healthy and lifting,

660
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Speaker 5: is he not.

661
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Speaker 4: To fifty six?

662
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: To fill to realize it was that big? I didn't

663
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: either didn't look it on film. You moved so well.

664
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Speaker 4: He's so smart as soon as the play breaks down too.

665
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Speaker 2: Who's the Titan for Michigan? By the way? For people?

666
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do this way too much.

667
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 5: I just think everybody lives in this sick world that

668
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 5: I live in, where they're like, who are these people?

669
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: Where they play?

670
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 4: How do I watch them? It's a really bad habit.

671
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 5: Trevor yells a not yells at me, but he's like

672
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 5: he's like reminding me all the time, like, hey, some

673
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 5: people have lives.

674
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Speaker 3: I get on Logan about it all the time. That's

675
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Speaker 3: why he just stated it. I tell him all the time.

676
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: You have to say what school we're at because our fans.

677
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 4: I'm broken. I'm never gonna fix some Sometimes.

678
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Speaker 3: I don't know because he's further into the evaluation process

679
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 3: and yeah, so yeah, to tell me where they're coming from. Hey,

680
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 3: can you tell that Logan's passionate about tight ends?

681
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 4: That's awesome. I love doing this show with you guys.

682
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 5: It's like, honestly one of my favorites of the entire

683
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 5: year because it's the best tight end commedy get to have.

684
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 5: And we're gonna have too. I think both are going

685
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 5: Top fifteen, by the way, I hope.

686
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I bring make tight end great again. You

687
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: know I can't.

688
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 4: I give into here great for the DC market.

689
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: Thanks, I want to cut that.

690
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 4: I think I came into here like I love him.

691
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 5: Will probably go with the Broncos at twenty and I'm

692
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 5: just I think I'm dead wrong, Like I think the

693
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 5: league just is, Like I think he's a better player

694
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 5: than that. But the whole tight end now, I think

695
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 5: they're both going top fifteen.

696
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: He's a special player, special mover and if he's that big,

697
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: like he can do like do more stuff in line

698
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. And dude, it's cool having two guys that

699
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: are this talented, you know, and then having the tail

700
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: end of the tight end draft be this talented also

701
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: is great. So it's gonna be a lot of fun

702
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: to watch these guys run today.

703
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: I have one more question before you leave.

704
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 2: We kept you way too.

705
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 4: Long, sterilling.

706
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: If you're the GM of the Commanders, what are you

707
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 3: doing at the late first round? What position do you

708
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 3: think is an area of need? You don't need to

709
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 3: give me a player name, but.

710
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Speaker 5: Can I mean, I'd like to see if you could

711
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 5: steal one of the tackles, right like, is one going

712
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 5: to fall?

713
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Speaker 1: That's that's a big question for me too. You have

714
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 1: one that you liked there at twenty nine, you.

715
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 5: Know what I like, And I know he had the

716
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 5: one better up in the Senior Bowl that goes viral,

717
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 5: which is done. Talked about that a lot, But yeah,

718
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 5: I like Connor le I like Connor Lely. I like

719
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 5: you can't teach that base, the explosiveness in the base,

720
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 5: but you could get him stronger.

721
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I think you can get him stronger. He's

722
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 4: interesting to me.

723
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Speaker 5: I thought the Ohio State tackle Simmons had it all

724
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 5: and that injuries, Like I just don't know right now

725
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 5: with that kind of injury, but I thought the six

726
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 5: games I watched, I was like, this is the best

727
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 5: tackle in the draft of he just kept playing football.

728
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 5: We feel the same way, yeah, I mean just different,

729
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 5: like you're not supposed to move like that at that side.

730
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Speaker 5: They're real tackles.

731
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Speaker 1: The question is, yeah, do you think you think he's

732
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: going to be there? I mean, I obviously injury dependent,

733
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: but like I think one of the two will okay,

734
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: because I want to think if you're a Commander's fan,

735
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: just to give you some context, like both those guys

736
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Speaker 1: are excellent football players, and I.

737
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Speaker 2: Think they're really high floor.

738
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Speaker 1: Obviously the injury was Simmons is going to be a

739
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Speaker 1: big deal, but like high win healthy, very high four players.

740
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Speaker 5: I agree, And you know what those kind of guys like,

741
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 5: they're real tackles. How many commos that we're going to

742
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 5: have the next two months is will Campbell tackle? Is

743
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 5: Banks to tackle from Texas? See I'm getting better at

744
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 5: it as we go.

745
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Speaker 2: On the podcast.

746
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Speaker 4: Those guys are real tackles.

747
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for coming on, Connor. I

748
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 3: love this conversation that you guys have, and tight end

749
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: is always a fun time for us because of the

750
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: logan ten years in the NFL. You don't get there

751
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: without knowing what you're telling you about, even I mean.

752
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 2: And a dog in the blocking game. Oh, I know,

753
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: I know.

754
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on, Connor. Where can

755
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 3: we find you?

756
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, everything on NBC Sports, the NFL on NBC YouTube channel,

757
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 5: all my interviews there, or you could listen to the

758
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 5: NFL Stock Exchange podcasts.

759
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: All right, that's Connor Rogers.

760
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: That was really great conversation with Connor Rodgers.

761
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Speaker 1: Man. He's does such a great job of kind of

762
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: keeping track everybody in this draft class. And you know,

763
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: now that we've kind of got that high level preview

764
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: and now that we've watched those guys you know, on

765
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Speaker 1: the field today, I think it's good to kind of

766
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: recap what we saw in the drill work today and

767
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: kind of just say there's some guys that sit out.

768
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Speaker 1: These are some guys that he talked about that I

769
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Speaker 1: also thought set out. You know, he's really good at

770
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: his jobs, he was able to kind of preview some

771
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Speaker 1: of those guys for us.

772
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Speaker 3: We're almost doing like a little bit of selfie vow

773
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 3: here because we just talked about those guys and what

774
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: we wanted to see and then we got to see it.

775
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: So who stood out then in the CBS for you?

776
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think the first guy, because again we

777
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Speaker 1: talked about nickel players, is Jahadae Barron from Texas, and

778
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: he stood out because he's his film is excellent. But

779
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: he ran a four to three nine at the combine today,

780
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: which is something that everyone was really excited about. Five

781
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: ten and three quarters one hundred and ninety four pounds,

782
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, a little short in the arm length, but

783
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: he moved so well and the big knock on him

784
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: was speed. So to see him get out there today

785
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: and absolutely run fast was great for him. You know,

786
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: he's going to kind of play that branch role in

787
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: that Detroit defense and so he's going to be kind

788
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: of nickel safety hybrid type guy.

789
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: He played outside at Texas.

790
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: Maybe a team feels comfortable putting outside now, but I

791
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: think his rever him will be on the inside. And

792
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Speaker 1: that leads us really nicely into Malachi Starks from Georgia.

793
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Speaker 1: I just thought he didn't run a forty today, but

794
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: just looked incredibly smooth, got out there and kind of

795
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: in the same role. Like you get these two really

796
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: high value players that kind of are this safety Nickel combination,

797
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: and you see why they have some of the best

798
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Speaker 1: film in the class. Like just the movement skills, the instincts,

799
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: the ability to change direction, all that stuff I thought

800
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: was was extremely high, a high level from both those guys.

801
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Speaker 3: Yeah, in the middle of this, I actually texted Fred

802
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: Smoot and I was like, hey, Fred, who are the

803
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: three guys that you really like here? And he said, well,

804
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: obviously I like Travis Hunter, Will Johnson, who didn't do

805
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: anything today, which is totally fine. They're gonna do it

806
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: at there per day. But then he was said, well Starks, Ya,

807
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: Stark stands out to him.

808
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Speaker 1: And Starts is one of the guys I've watched film

809
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: of and you know immediately is a guy that again

810
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: like talking about what Connor was discussing, the guy that

811
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: he's kind of a safety Nickel hybrid but can play

812
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: man to man coverage against the receiver, can fit a run,

813
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: just a really valuable piece chess piece for defenses and

814
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: especially the way people are playing defense. Now, I thought

815
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: he really so got so again those guys are kind

816
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: of two nickel players. The other guy that he mentioned

817
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: specifically is Marquise Single from Kansas State, and I had

818
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: never seen him before. But I do this thing where

819
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm kind of going through the drills and I try

820
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: not to look at the names, and I just write

821
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: a check mark next to the name if I thought

822
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: it was good, and nothing if I thought it was poor.

823
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Speaker 1: And he was a guy that I have seven check

824
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: marks in my book next to him, they do about

825
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: seven drills.

826
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Speaker 2: So really really stuck out.

827
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: And he's a safety kind of hybrid player, but I

828
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: thought he really looked ran a great forty.

829
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: It was a four to four something like that four

830
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: four one.

831
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: So just another guy that really did a great job

832
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: kind of again in that safety nickel hybrid kind of role,

833
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: did a fantastic job.

834
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 3: And what did you think overall about the movement skills?

835
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: Was there anybody that stood out? Anybody that was like

836
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: a little stiff like we did yesterday in our recap

837
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 3: of the guys, like who raised an eyebrow for you?

838
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 4: Good or bad?

839
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

840
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: So I think the first guy I'll talk about two guys.

841
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: One is Max Harrison or Harston excuse me, from Kentucky.

842
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: And he did a great job today because I think

843
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: he was bigger than I thought he'd be. Was five

844
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: eleven and a quarter one hundred and eighty three pounds,

845
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: thirty one in arms, with the big kind of eye

846
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: popping number there was the four two nine. He ran

847
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: the fastest forty at the combine thus far. And then

848
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: so you say, alway, is he just a fast guy?

849
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: Right?

850
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: But then you get him, see him out there in

851
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: the movement drills, and he's moving probably the best of

852
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: the group. So I mean, you expected a guy like

853
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: that to come out and do well, but I kind

854
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: of I wasn't sure about his body weight. Just for

855
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: him to come at one eighty three and run the

856
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: way he did, you know, again, not the biggest guy

857
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 1: in the whole world, but about six foot over one

858
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty pounds run that four to two nine.

859
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: Just incredibly impressed with him. Another guy that I had

860
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: very little read on was a zab Frasier from Utsa

861
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: and he's six to two and h three eighths. He's

862
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty six pounds. He's got thirty two

863
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: and seven ancients arms, so thirty three in charms. Big

864
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: long corner had a thirty thirty six and a half

865
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: inch vertical and also ran a high fourth three. I

866
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: think it was a four to three nine four three

867
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: eight something like that. So I just guys that stood out.

868
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: And then in the drills he'd got a bunch of

869
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: check mark marks next to his game name two, so

870
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: really impressed. And then another guy just wanted to give

871
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: a shout out to real quick was Darren Porter from

872
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: Iowa State. You know, he's the biggest corner here. He's

873
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: six to two and seven eighths, he's one hundred and

874
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: ninety five pounds, he's got thirty three and one eighth

875
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: that's arms, and he ran a four three forty. Everyone

876
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: knew he's gonna run super fast, but you know, seeing

877
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: him in the drills, he's as a touch stiff. But

878
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: we saw that at the Cedar Bowl, we saw that

879
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: on film. So not nothing crazy, but to see a

880
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: man that big, that athletic, you know, I've heard a

881
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: lot of comps to him to like Tyreek wooland just

882
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: like a guy who's a converted wide receiver. He's a

883
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: guy to keep an eye on just and again, I

884
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: don't know what he's gonna because the stiffness seems to

885
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: be there for him. But to see a number like

886
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: that from a guy that size, it's pretty impressive.

887
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: What do you think of these guys that you saw

888
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: at DB's. Do you think that it's more I don't

889
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: want to say pressing, but where do you feel like

890
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: the need for the commanders would be. Is it more cornerback,

891
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: is it more free safety, strong safety? And then of that,

892
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: what guy do you think kind of fits with what

893
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 3: we currently have with Sanders, still with Lattimore and what

894
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: we have going on in the backfield.

895
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

896
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: So I think there was a bunch of guys that

897
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: stood out to me today that were kind of like

898
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: maybe these slot kind of mixed guys, you know that

899
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, hey, if Mikey wants to stay outside,

900
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: we could bring one of these guys in. We just

901
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: talked about Starks, We talked about you know, I forget

902
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: the other guy's name.

903
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: We talked about it.

904
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: It's not in my notes at the moment, but you know,

905
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: there's the Jabir Muhammad from Oregon is a smaller kind

906
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: of slot Nickel.

907
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: Type player, right, and he looked great.

908
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: And then the same thing with Jalen Smith from USC

909
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: like and I think he could probably play outside, but

910
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: these are smaller corners, so I think for me, I

911
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking about the bigger guys like Azure Thomas,

912
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: who you talked about raising an eyebrow. I was a

913
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: tick disappointed with his movement skills. I loved him at

914
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. This film's good in man and man coverage,

915
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: but a little stiffer than I thought. So is he

916
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: quite as as scheme agnostic as I was hoping. I

917
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: don't know, but he's a guy that really stood out

918
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: in a in a positive way at the Senior Bowl.

919
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: Here it was a little bit more of a you know,

920
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: not quite the mover I was hoping for.

921
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: But to me, that's the type of guy.

922
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: That's why I brought up Darren Porter, these taller Zayer Fraser,

923
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: these taller, longer athletic guys. Trey Amos is another guy

924
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: from Old miss who I think deserves a shout out.

925
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: He didn't I don't think he ran a forty. If

926
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: he didn't know he did run a forty, it was

927
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: four to four. It was four to four on the

928
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: dot and look great in the move in the movement drills.

929
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: He's a guy that I do think the Washington Commanders

930
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: could potentially select at twenty nine. I'll be there at

931
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: the end of the first round. But if they don't

932
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: pick him, for example, some of those other names I

933
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: just mentioned are guys that maybe are there and they're

934
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: picking up the bottom of the second So I think

935
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: it was a It was a different group than I

936
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: was expecting overall. One that is talented, for sure, but

937
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: it's the talents different, and you got a bunch of

938
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: guys who like last year, I remember thinking, man, this

939
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: group moves so well, and I felt like there wasn't

940
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: that elite movement skill outside of a couple guys, and

941
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: was much easier kind of pinpoint those guys and say, hey,

942
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: these guys are are special athletes and but they need

943
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: some developmental work. I think was the thing that I

944
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: came out of it. I don't know how you felt

945
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: about it, Jason, Yeah.

946
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 3: I a little bit. I would say that like the

947
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: thing again, I've said this before several times, it's really

948
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 3: hard for me.

949
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, to evaluate courts. That's really hard, especially here, like.

950
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 3: If we're just talking about movement, like Maxwell looked great, right,

951
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: very good movement. The kid from Oregon, I'm blinking on

952
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: his name.

953
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: You just said it, yeah, Mohammad.

954
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, he looked great. A little small, but he moved

955
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 3: so well. So like we're talking about movement, those guys

956
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: moved really well. But then there was also like it's

957
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 3: I don't know how they fit right in schemes because

958
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 3: that's another big one and it's tough for just a

959
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: guy like me, is like, Okay, is he really good

960
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: at man? Is he really good at zoone? Is he

961
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: really good in the nickel? Like how does he fit

962
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: within the scheme that we have here with Joe Witt

963
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: and Dan Campbell? Like it's really you asked me that question.

964
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: Is really hard for me to kind of like answer,

965
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: how like that even fits when.

966
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at it.

967
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: And I also think it's important. We've watched some of

968
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: these guys, but definitely not all of them. And I

969
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: you know, I was talking to a scout no A

970
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: coach last night and he said, oh, I love coming

971
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: into the combine having watched no film of guys because

972
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of like my jumping off for it. So

973
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: I feel like with this group, you know, I have

974
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: some takes on some of these guys, but some of

975
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: the guys we just talked about. But I'm definitely going

976
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: to go back and look at some of these players

977
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: that moved really well, like you know, Zariah Thomas, going

978
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: to watch more of him, Jalen Smith from USC because

979
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: of how he moved today. Darren Porter, I want to

980
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: see what that size look like when he's playing football.

981
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: Jamiir Muhammad is another one, right, Max Harston, want to

982
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: see what his film looks like.

983
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: Tire Fraser.

984
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: You know, Trey Amos watched those guys Live and the

985
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: Living in Color because of how they did here and

986
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: then you can kind of compare them to the.

987
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 2: Rest of the class.

988
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: But I also wanted to give two more guys a

989
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: shout out, just real quick. Yeah, Nick Annamari from South

990
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: Carolina looked like.

991
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: An absolute freak show. Like look like an absolute freak

992
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: show today.

993
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I told you I've had some issues with

994
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: this film because I just found out today that I

995
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: happened to watch the worst game of his career and

996
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: I was like, this guy's not Yeah, this guy's not

997
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: as good as I hope, but he looked like an

998
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: absolute monster. And then, gosh, there's one more guy that

999
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of say, did some good work

1000
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: today if I can find him on my notes here, Oh,

1001
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: Ryan Lane, the third from the Naval Academy. And again

1002
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go watch some Navy football after this. Just

1003
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: looked the part, just looked the part of a safety

1004
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: at the NFL level. And I think he's a guy

1005
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: that I want to see how he plays ball, right

1006
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: because all the movement stuff was great. Same thing with

1007
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: Malik Vernon from Iowa State. He's a big guy, a

1008
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: long guy, moved well in the drill. So you kind

1009
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: of say, these guys are big, physical looking dudes we

1010
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: watch more. But obviously nick Emmon Warry wins the day

1011
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: because he runs four three nine, he's two hundred and

1012
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: twenty two pounds, he has a forty four inch vertical

1013
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: it's the third highest vertical for a guy over six

1014
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: three at the combine. So definitely definitely won the day

1015
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: in terms of combine athleticism.

1016
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: So let's move on to your favorite position, and that's

1017
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 3: going to be tight ends. So I want you to

1018
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: give me a big picture of what this tight end

1019
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 3: class looks like and let's start off with some guys

1020
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: that didn't test today, Tyler Warren being the big one,

1021
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 3: Colson Loveland didn't test.

1022
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 4: A couple other guys from Miami.

1023
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: Elijah Royo, Brian Keith from Utah end test, Luke Lackey.

1024
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: He did field work but didn't do a forty. Taylor

1025
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: Mason didn't do a forty. And it was interesting because

1026
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: you're kind of come into this event and everyone's telling

1027
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: you how deep the classes, right, the class is so

1028
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: so deep, there's so many good players. And I do

1029
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: think that's true. I think Colson Lovelin's a beast. I

1030
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: think Tyler Warren's a beast. I think Elijah Royo is

1031
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: a beast. The problem was is, like, then when you

1032
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: get after that and you see the group without those

1033
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: guys in it, the rest of the guys running forties,

1034
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: the rest of the guys running routes, and you're kind

1035
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: of like, actually, who would you draft to be a

1036
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: difference maker outside of those three? And that was the

1037
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: thing that really stuck out to me. Obviously Taylor or Mason. Taylor,

1038
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: excuse me's getting a lot of hype. I think his

1039
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: role at the next level is going to be interesting

1040
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: because he didn't run super fast, doesn't catch the ball

1041
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: super well. He's a good football player, so don't get

1042
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: me wrong. If the commander's draft, then might be stoked

1043
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: because he's tough, he's competitive, all those things, but you know,

1044
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: is he a true f Like probably not right, And

1045
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: then you're kind of like, who else are we looking at?

1046
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: Harold Fannon didn't run as well as I thought he

1047
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: was going to run to day, he ran a four

1048
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: to seven. I thought he'd be a four to six,

1049
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: four to five kind of guy. So can he be

1050
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: an inline player? And like we were talking about with

1051
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: Connor today, like you have to do a little bit

1052
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: of stuff in line, and that's really not Harold Fannon's.

1053
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: Cup of tea.

1054
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: So the list gets really, really short. And then Aronde

1055
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: Gatzen I thought looked great in the drill and the

1056
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: field movement stuff, but didn't run a forty So how

1057
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: fast are you?

1058
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 2: Really?

1059
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: Can you be a true move piece that can win

1060
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: versus man and man coverage kind of like your Jordan

1061
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: Reid player, And all of a sudden you're like, well,

1062
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: if the commanders are picking it too or in the

1063
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: second round. Who's the guy they would select there? And

1064
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: to me, it's Terence Ferguson, the guy.

1065
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 3: That yeah, and full disclosure, you did some work get ready.

1066
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1067
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: And but here's the thing. He was to Bella the

1068
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 3: ball and like, even though you may be a little biased,

1069
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: like fastest forty of the tight ends today was a vertical,

1070
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: very explosive, very small. I don't think anybody is going

1071
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 3: to come away from what we saw in the field

1072
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: and not say this guy stood out.

1073
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's one of the benefits of you know,

1074
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: being able to work with these young talented guys, Like

1075
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: is you know you ran a four to six three

1076
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: and he's over six five, he's over two hundred and

1077
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: forty pounds, he has a thirty nine and a half

1078
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: inch vertical like he's a special athlete. And then to

1079
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: see him move and run routes compared to the other guys,

1080
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: I thought was was special today. And I'm not saying

1081
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: this as a way to hype up Terrence, And obviously

1082
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: I want to hype up because I worked with them.

1083
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: But the thing is is, like I just named potentially

1084
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: five guys that'll go ahead of them, right. Two A

1085
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: goal in the first round, Mason Taylor and Elijah Arroyo, right,

1086
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: And so I think Elijah Royo is going to go

1087
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: at the top of the first round. I think Mason

1088
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: Taylor maybe mid to late, and then Terrence is the guy.

1089
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: And so if you want a guy who can catch

1090
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: the football, compete in line. I'm just saying it gets

1091
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: a little thin after that if you say those other

1092
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: five guys go ahead, because because I do think that

1093
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: when you look at Harold fannin junior and produced today

1094
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: the way he wanted and the reason I point him out,

1095
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: small school guy at Bowling Green played basically wide receiver,

1096
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: a version of wide receiver for them, and so you're saying, well,

1097
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: he's got to be like a big slot at the

1098
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: next level, be like your Dalton kid Kaid, and he

1099
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: just didn't run the way that I thought he would run.

1100
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: And then Gadson, like we just talked about, very very similar,

1101
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: didn't run at forty today. So I do think while

1102
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: those guys will probably be third round selections, I think

1103
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: because of Terrence's production today, he becomes that guy that

1104
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: you say, hey, if we want a guy to develop

1105
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: behind zach Ertz, maybe this is the move here for

1106
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders.

1107
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's a weapon from Oregon. I don't know

1108
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: if we say that. Ye, yeah, from the Oregon Ducks.

1109
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: And he had forty three receptions this year, five hundred

1110
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: and ninety yards, three touchdowns, and like that's consistent year

1111
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: before forty forty two receptions, sorry, six touchdowns. And I

1112
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: don't want to say his best game because it was

1113
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: his best gaming yardage, but he showed up in the

1114
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: last game that Oregon played and that was against Ohio

1115
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 3: State ended up being the national champions in the playoffs.

1116
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: So like he's also is a big game player. Yeah, right,

1117
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 3: Like there's a lot to like from him in like

1118
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: you said, not the first round, like where he might

1119
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 3: end up being in. How do you think, like what

1120
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 3: do you think the Commanders need with a tight end

1121
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: with what they've currently got.

1122
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think that's the thing that keeps coming

1123
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: to mind and why guys like Arroyo and Terrence and

1124
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: some of these other move types of pieces are so

1125
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: interesting is I just look at what Zach did last

1126
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: year and how incredibly special he was. Like people I

1127
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: think are taking for granted how well he played Zach

1128
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: Eritz played last year. Oh yeah, over seventy catches. His

1129
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: production on first down, the amount of touchdowns he had,

1130
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: it's such a big chunk of the offense. And you

1131
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: see how dynamic you can be when you have a

1132
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: playmaker like that at the position. And so I think, yeah,

1133
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: bring Zach back this year. You know, obviously I'm not

1134
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: telling Adam Peters what to do, but I would assume

1135
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: that's something that they're definitely kicking the tires on. But

1136
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: you need to make sure you have someone a young

1137
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: piece kind of waiting in the wins a wings. And

1138
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's not Ben Sinitt, but when you

1139
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: look at how Ben Sinnett does stuff and how Zach

1140
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: does stuff, different players, So one of these players we

1141
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: just talked about is maybe slightly more similar. A guy

1142
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: that can win versus man can run a more diverse

1143
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: route tree. And that's where I'd say, like, that's kind

1144
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: of what you're looking for, is a someone who can

1145
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: do what Zach does. Standing up in a two point

1146
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: gets you gives you enough in the in line, right,

1147
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: but the two point red zone Manda man winning stuff.

1148
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: And I think, like I just pointed out, even though

1149
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: this is kind of reported to be a very deep

1150
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: tight end class, and there are guys that you want

1151
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: to be a part of your organization, part of your program.

1152
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: The difference makers, I think, are guys that'll go for

1153
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: sure in the first three rounds and they really really

1154
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: good ones will probably go in the first two.

1155
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a lot of fun. Tomorrow's the big day,

1156
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 3: I would say. I mean, O line is one of

1157
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 3: the bigger for us, but tomorrow's the big day for

1158
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 3: the fans. Is wide receivers, it's quarterbacks.

1159
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: There'll be a ton of people here.

1160
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, there will be a ton of people year, so

1161
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: make sure you tune in for after that, we will

1162
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 3: break all that down like how we did last year.

1163
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 3: Hopefully get some more fireworks. Like breaking the record was

1164
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: so cool and so much fun. I remember watching Joe

1165
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: Milton throw the ball like it just crazy stuff. Anthony

1166
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,959
Speaker 3: richardson that one. Yeah, it was so much fun to watch.

1167
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: So we'll break it down. It's a lot of fun.

1168
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, So thanks to Connor Rogers for joining

1169
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 3: the show, Thank you guys for listening, and logan that's it.