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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. Are you ready

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, December twenty eight, twenty twenty one, Season seventeen,

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Speaker 1: episode number eighty six. Welcome to the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At

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Speaker 1: the start, we're getting you guys ready for Cowboys versus

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Speaker 1: Cardinals that's coming up this Sunday. It has been moved

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Speaker 1: if you didn't know, to a three twenty five kick

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Speaker 1: time at AT and T Stadium. That will be a

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Speaker 1: fun game to watch. We'll get you ready for it. Nick,

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Speaker 1: let's start off first. Give me an eighty six eighty six?

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Speaker 1: Eighty six? Man? How about I mean, have you ever

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Speaker 1: heard of the California quake? Yeah? Butch Johnson were eighty six,

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Speaker 1: that was back in the day. Eighty six. Why do

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Speaker 1: I think he was eighty three? Nine? Eighty six is

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Speaker 1: eighty six? He used to be. He used to he's

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Speaker 1: the six shooters, you know, touchdown all that, he's about

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Speaker 1: the third. You know, well you've seen them. The catch

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Speaker 1: he didn't catch against the Broncos and Super Bowl you

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Speaker 1: know you've seen that that highlight Um oh, he's the

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Speaker 1: guy that caught that. Yeah, I don't know why that

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Speaker 1: just bothered ute. Yeah, it's like in today's world, like

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Speaker 1: that wouldn't even be a thing that no chance, trust me.

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Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of times we do you know,

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Speaker 1: highlight videos and top ten moments and people will say,

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Speaker 1: Nick Luca this video and I'm like, nah, to take

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Speaker 1: that out. He didn't catch that, like super Bowl, like, nah,

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Speaker 1: give me something else, eighty six. Butch Johnson you got

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Speaker 1: one day, I got one. No, you know he's going, well,

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Speaker 1: I I don't, I don't. I'm right, I'm out on

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Speaker 1: this game because like when I weigh in, then I

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Speaker 1: start getting the comments people like you didn't bring this

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Speaker 1: guy up. I'm like, I don't know when Dan Campbell

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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell now head coach of the Detroit Lions, Yep,

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Speaker 1: Golden Scholtz perfect, great, that's yeah. I'm just he's having

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Speaker 1: a great I just got off a show with him

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Speaker 1: eighty six. So I have to say, Isaiah, stand back,

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Speaker 1: here you go. That's a good one. He's actually good.

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Speaker 1: More of that number. Yeah, that's actually good. Shout out Isaiah,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah good. All right, let's let's jump in. I do

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Speaker 1: want to talk about one player that's been injured. That

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Speaker 1: sounds like maybe there's a chance he's coming back. Tyron Smith,

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Speaker 1: what are we hearing? Swassunt sent it's for our French listeners.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that mean I mean seventy seven. Oh, get your

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Speaker 1: ass back on the line up. Not at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like he's gonna plays seventy seven. Okay, it

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Speaker 1: makes more sense. It's just the way stadium slower. We

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Speaker 1: were so off the rails already. Sais sand set. The

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Speaker 1: set is seventeen in French and swissant is sixty six

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Speaker 1: sixty plus seventeen. Is that how they do their numbers? Like,

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Speaker 1: not all of them, but that's how they do that? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Yet anything else? No? I used to be pretty good

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Speaker 1: of French. Wow, it's impressed. It sounded smart, at the time.

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Speaker 1: Kirk is having a really nice year for them. I

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Speaker 1: assume most of that's been in the slot. So what

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Speaker 1: he playing out a position right now? Or how might

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals try to get him going in this game? Ah,

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Speaker 1: this is more balls than going to in his direction.

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Speaker 1: Like you remove a guy who probably gets sentence all

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Speaker 1: go somewhere else. If Kirk has benefited from that, He's

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Speaker 1: a good player, a nice number three receiver. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: but he's effective him if you don't keep your eyes

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Speaker 1: where he's at. Yeah, he can. He can rack up

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Speaker 1: Studios at the sto do it for the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: But it's okay. Vote didn't vote for him for the

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl? Why didn't you vote on? No, I'm saying

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Speaker 1: the fans, Well, I thought you didn't vote for him.

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Speaker 1: I don't vote for the Pro Bowl. You don't get

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Speaker 1: a ballot. All right, we all get a ballot. That's

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Speaker 1: my point. But I did not do that. No, I

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Speaker 1: sided not to vote for him. No, okay, he didn't

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Speaker 1: play well when it was time to vote. Vote. That's

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Speaker 1: that's what happened with him and Zeke and a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys they when it was time to ask the ballot.

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Speaker 1: I think I've said this before, like if if the

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Speaker 1: suck in November, you know, And that's kind of what happened.

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Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately Dak and Zeke and those guys picked

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Speaker 1: a bad month. The slack off boy Schultz had had

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Speaker 1: about it in late September. We were like, man, they

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Speaker 1: got twelve people in the Pro Bowl. Everybody's gonna make

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. And then November came and I think

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Speaker 1: there's I think there's fifteen guys on the list, like

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Speaker 1: alternates and guys. But you know, now the alternates run

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Speaker 1: pretty deep. Yeah they they It's not just first guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's at least two or three more guys

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Speaker 1: Nick would not be a very good campaign manager, Woody.

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Speaker 1: I think that's patience isn't good enough. For him to

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Speaker 1: be a campaign Okay, he would absolutely lose it. I

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Speaker 1: thought that was good advice. Don't sucking crunch time. No,

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Speaker 1: that's fair, that's fair, cross life, that's fair. I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying Nick as a campaign manager, that's not a good idea.

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Speaker 1: You got to be very even, I think to be

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Speaker 1: a good campaign manager. That's not Nick. I'm not even keeled. No,

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Speaker 1: you're like, man, you suck it. That's how you didn't win.

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Speaker 1: And not only that, but like Nick would lose it

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Speaker 1: with voters. He would lose it like that, Yeah, you would.

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Speaker 1: You would have some moments because you can't, you know,

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Speaker 1: can see it in your eyes. It's like, don't do it,

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Speaker 1: don't do it. So he did his face, right, he

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Speaker 1: did his face. He just can't stop himself, all right,

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Speaker 1: final segment, shop myself, trust me, I stopped myself. Oh, terrifying, right,

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Speaker 1: it really is. Um, Okay, So here's I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about. I want to talk about these coordinators. Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Dan Quinn Callamore both talked to the media. Um, there's

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Speaker 1: been some talk around the NFL because the rules have

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Speaker 1: changed with regards to UH coaches that are that will

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Speaker 1: get opportunities to be able to interview for head coaching jobs,

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Speaker 1: being able to do that over the last two weeks

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Speaker 1: of the season actually starting now, um and you guys

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Speaker 1: in the media asked them, asked dan Quinn specific dan

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Speaker 1: Quinn specifically about this in Kellen Moore. What they have

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Speaker 1: to say about the potential about potential head coaching opportunities

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Speaker 1: that maybe out there for them, probably what you would expect,

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Speaker 1: just that they're focused on what they're focused on right now.

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Speaker 1: I thought they were both pretty honest about like, if

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Speaker 1: the right situation comes along, that would be awesome, Like

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Speaker 1: I'd be honored by the opportunity. But dan Quinn had

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Speaker 1: this whole it was great. He was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't take this job thinking about the job I

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Speaker 1: was going to have next, Like I'm just having a

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Speaker 1: blast here working with these guys were doing great stuff.

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Speaker 1: And Kellen Moore, I mean, Kellen's been getting asked about

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Speaker 1: this all year because like how hot they started and

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Speaker 1: then they played Philly, who he interviewed with last year,

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Speaker 1: so there's a connection there. A couple of college jobs

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Speaker 1: have come open, which Kellen Moore was never going to

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Speaker 1: coach TCU. I don't know why that was a thing,

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Speaker 1: but so he's been he's been answering that all year,

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Speaker 1: and so he said the same thing. He's like, that

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Speaker 1: would be awesome when the time is right, but we're

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Speaker 1: focused on what we got to do here. I think

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Speaker 1: it's interesting because the rules change starting today, teams with

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Speaker 1: head coaching vacancies can request to interview assistance, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's great. Dan Quinn had a great he talked

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Speaker 1: about that too, of just like that's awesome for coaches

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Speaker 1: to kind of be able to get a jump start

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Speaker 1: on that. And you're not just wait until because you

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Speaker 1: know how this goes, where your focus, focus, focus, focused,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the season's over and

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Speaker 1: it's almost like the rug got pulled out from under you.

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Speaker 1: But there's such an unprecedented number of teams that are

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Speaker 1: still in the playoff chase. There's no openings right now,

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Speaker 1: like Jacksonville and Vegas are the only openings in the

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Speaker 1: league right now, so there aren't that many teams that

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Speaker 1: would even be able to ask to interview them. But

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Speaker 1: I would imagine that'll change in the next maybe, if

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Speaker 1: not in the next week, then then in the next

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Speaker 1: two weeks for sure, like by the time the playoffs

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Speaker 1: get here, it'll be a different story. And it's very

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Speaker 1: interesting because one of the things I've heard just talk

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Speaker 1: different people around football about those interviews. You know, I

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Speaker 1: think all of us, as regular people, here an interview

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Speaker 1: and you think, okay, just be prepared to go and

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Speaker 1: answer some questions. And this is a different kind of thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like you're gonna be asked questions about so, what how

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Speaker 1: would you handle training camp, how would you schedule this,

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Speaker 1: how would you set Like there are some really really

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Speaker 1: in depth plans that these guys have to be prepared

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Speaker 1: to talk about with these teams if they're asked to interview.

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Speaker 1: And it helps for dan Quinn because he has the

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Speaker 1: experience of being a head coach, so there's probably a

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Speaker 1: lot of that that he can lean on. For somebody

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Speaker 1: like Kellen Moore, I would assume putting together those kinds

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Speaker 1: of plans requires a bit of preparation and getting ready

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Speaker 1: for that to be able to go into that that

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Speaker 1: interview and really be prepared to talk about it. You're right,

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Speaker 1: I think Kellen Moore might have an easier road than

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Speaker 1: dan Quinn when it comes to that interview process because

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Speaker 1: you're saying, oh, well, you've done it. But dan Quinn

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Speaker 1: can't just say that all the time. He can't just

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Speaker 1: say I did this, I did this, I did this. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got fired in the middle of the year. He

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Speaker 1: also took a seam to a Super Bowl. I understand,

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Speaker 1: I understand, and then if we really want to go there,

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Speaker 1: we can go there. Yeah, but no, no, But but

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Speaker 1: taking your team in Super Bowl, how many coaches have

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Speaker 1: done I understand, But but I'm saying, but I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: and dan Quinn is is great at figuring it out,

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Speaker 1: like he's figuring out this defense. So I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: but the coaches that have done it before, especially him,

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Speaker 1: he's got to have and I think he will. He's

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Speaker 1: got to have different answers than just leaning on this

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Speaker 1: is what I did in Atlanta. He's gonna say I've

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Speaker 1: done that. And McCarthy is a good example of that

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Speaker 1: Use your your history when it's there. Also, know that

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Speaker 1: how to adapt. Yes, I agree with that. I think

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Speaker 1: the thing is it still makes it easier because he

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Speaker 1: knows ven he has a platform for it, so he knows. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, I got to have a plan for training

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Speaker 1: gamp I know, I got to have a plan for OTAs.

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Speaker 1: I know, I have to have a plan for this

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Speaker 1: I've learned some things in the years since I've been

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Speaker 1: a head coach. But it does give him a basis, right,

634
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: It gives him a basis to kind of know what

635
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: he's doing to be able to answer those questions. I

636
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: think that makes a lot easier for for him than

637
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: for Kellen. But here's my question for you guys, and

638
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: I want to take this one at a time, for

639
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: each one of these guys. Tell me what do you

640
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: think is the best characteristic that would make each of

641
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: these guys a good head coaching candidate. Let's start first

642
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: with Dan Quinn. Oh wow, I mean just from and

643
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: from your experiences with them this year, which is a

644
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: shame because my just like everything else the last two years,

645
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: like the amount of I'm very limited in how much

646
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: I get to deal with dan Quinn all but all

647
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: those interactions have been fantastic. He's great with the media.

648
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: He's a very approachable guy. I think the thing I

649
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: like about dan Quinn, I mean, regardless of how you

650
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: feel about how it went in Atlanta, you can't deny

651
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: that he's been there before, Like he's done it. He's

652
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: got a lot of experience with that. But really what

653
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: I like about him is probably the adaptive in the approachability,

654
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: like the way like he's just adapted this defense and

655
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: his weekly game plan to suit his player's strengths, and

656
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: like to a man, they all adore him, and so

657
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: knowing that he can, I would guess very easily win

658
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: over the locker room. And then we'll also Taylor whatever

659
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: he's doing to fit what he has the way that

660
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: he has here. Probably that Yeah, I think I think

661
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: as a coach, you've got to learn you got to

662
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: find the balance of like this is what I do,

663
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: and I do this well, and this is what's worked

664
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: for me in the past, and this is my style

665
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: and the style of players that I want. But also,

666
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: like Dave said, you got to also, you know, you

667
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: don't always get who you want. You know, you got

668
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: to deal with who's there. And I'll say this in

669
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: a bad way, but it's like he doesn't He's not

670
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: going to go to the combine and pick out a

671
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: guy like Jordan Lewis and say put him on my team.

672
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: He comes here, Jordan Lewis is on the team, and

673
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: he's played fairly well up and down since he's gotten here.

674
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: He comes here and he says, all right, this guy's

675
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: under contract. He's gonna be in the mix. He's a

676
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: pretty good cover guy, and he's made Jordan Lewis into

677
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: a really, really good player. And he said, Jordan's had

678
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: a great year. And I think it's a good example

679
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: of this isn't always my preference, but like I'm gonna

680
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: take what I take, you know. Not He also wants

681
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: jay Ron Curse because he thinks he has a vision

682
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: for him. But I think it's that mixture of this

683
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: is the guys I want, but I'm also able to

684
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: adapt and figure out other things as well. And and

685
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: like like Dave also said, the players love him. Hey,

686
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: he treats him like a man. You know, he's the

687
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: smoothest cusser I've ever seen too. I mean, he will

688
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: just he will just throw in a cussboard and you're

689
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: like what he say that? Like, yeah he did, but

690
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, see that, and that's I

691
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: love that in a weird way. I have that too.

692
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: It just encapsulates what I like about dan Quinn is

693
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: like I don't think, like we talked for so long

694
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: about how like, well, the Jason Garrett you get at

695
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: the podium is so much different than the guy that

696
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: the players see or really think that's the case with

697
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: dan Quinn. Like he just gets up there and he's

698
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: like yeah, we like, you know, we really fed that up,

699
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: and just what like he's not even approaching it like

700
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: I am at the podium, I am doing my coach thing.

701
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: He's just like, yeah, I'm Dan and this is what

702
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: I think about what happened? Were doing guys? And I

703
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: think that like the players, well he just lost in

704
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: the playoffs, Yeah, how are you doing? Not doing great? Exactly.

705
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: I never understood how he would open up a press

706
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: conference after a lost, tough loss. You just lost in

707
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: overtime because you guy dropped the ball or whatever, and

708
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: he's just like, I mean, how are we doing guys?

709
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: He believed in consistent. He did there's like there's a

710
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: place for that, but he believed in consistent. I wasn't

711
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: trying to turn this into a Jason Garrett slander session.

712
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: I just I think dan Quinn seems like he's just

713
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: himself and players respond to that probably more than anything

714
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: of just like, I just don't get the feeling that

715
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: there's like a lot of politics with dan Quinn and

716
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: that and and players appreciate that. Well that's the easy one. Yeah.

717
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: The greatest asset of Kellen Moore as a potential head

718
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: coaching candidate. I think he is incredibly smart. I think

719
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: he has a very great grasp on where this league

720
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: is going in terms of trends and the way you

721
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: call and establish an offense. And he's I know, like

722
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: we kind of joke that he's kind of nerdy or whatever,

723
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: but like he's a he's a young guy. I think

724
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: he relates to players, and his pro career wasn't anything

725
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: that anybody's going to remember, but like, I think he

726
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: has played football at a high level. I think that

727
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: I think he's got a certain amount of cachet there

728
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, like you look at what this

729
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: guy did in college and what he's done as a

730
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: coach to this point. I think it's easy for him

731
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: to win people's trust that he knows what he's talking about.

732
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: When when it comes to that, it's it's gonna be

733
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: a tough situation for him, you know, if he if

734
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: he goes to another team, and you know, it depends

735
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: on depending on what they have on offense. You know,

736
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: do they have some pieces it's not to be like this,

737
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: and if they had pieces like this, then the coach

738
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: previously probably wouldn't have been fired. He's in a unique

739
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: spot too, because he was the He was on the

740
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: team as a quarterback with Dak when Dak was drafted,

741
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: so they have a different relationship that way. And then

742
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: he helped him a lot. You know, he helped him

743
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: more than the starter did ever. Everyone knows that. And

744
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: then and then then he becomes his quarterback coach and

745
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: now the offensive coordinator, so they've been able to have

746
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: a relationship that will be unlike anything else he's done before.

747
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: I think he's relatable. I think he could do it,

748
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: and he's very very smart, but it will be a

749
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: challenge because this has kind of been molded into this

750
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: spot of offensive coordinator and that won't be the case

751
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: if you go somewhere else. Yeah, I do. When I

752
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: think about like an opportunity for Kellen, I would I

753
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: just leaned toward thinking like if he was going to

754
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: go somewhere that was about to draft a quarterback, and

755
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: he's going to have the chance to like do that

756
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: all over again, as opposed to going somewhere with like

757
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: an established and not saying that he couldn't do that,

758
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: but maybe it would be easier for him to do

759
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: it organically the way you can attack. Look at the

760
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: two spots that are open. One of them is that way.

761
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: It's got a quarterback. Sure, you know, I would be

762
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: really excited to see Kellen Morgan a chance to coach

763
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. That would be fun. I actually think that

764
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: that's a situation that looks like it would be a

765
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: good situation for somebody like him, if if the owner

766
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: were the type of guy that's willing to give him

767
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: a long runway, because that's not a quick rebuild. I

768
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think Jacksonville is one of those

769
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: places that you're going to rebuild. They're keeping their GM,

770
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: which I don't know if that's a great idea, I

771
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, that gives me pause. And then the

772
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: other job that's open is a little more dyssunctional over

773
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: there with the Raiders. Yeah, yeah, that's a hard that's

774
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: gonna be. I don't care who you are, it's going

775
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: to be a hard city to coach in, just because

776
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of distraction there there. That's

777
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, every city has its distractions, but I think

778
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: that city has a lot of distractions, and I think

779
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: that's a challenge. I'm glad. And just to circle back

780
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: on that that, like, I think that an easy thing

781
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: to knock Kellen for, and I agree to a point,

782
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: is like it it's hard for me to imagine him

783
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: leading a locker room of like seventy players and thirty

784
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: other coaches and all the personalities and the egos that

785
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: go into that. But then at the same time, like

786
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: look around in the league, Zach Taylor, Matt Lafleur. Even

787
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: I know it sounds silly now, but like Sean McVay

788
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: had no like NFL cachet when he got the Rams job,

789
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: And so I think that that's not as big of

790
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: an obstacle as I think a lot of people want

791
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: to make it out to be. Like Kellen fits right

792
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: in the mold of a lot of these successful hires

793
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: over the last year. But from a personality standpoint, that's

794
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: where I wondered, I haven't spent enough time around I

795
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: think you have to have a very commanding presence if

796
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: you're going to be that guy. I think McVeigh he commands,

797
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: Like you look at the way he kind of presents himself.

798
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: He commands a certain and I think, you know, I

799
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: think that's probably something Kellen would have to work on

800
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: as a head coach. But I do know he's got

801
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: far more personality than he likes to show, so I

802
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: would be it would be interesting to see what that

803
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: looked like. And another thing too, is like I think

804
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore understands the situation he's in right now, Like

805
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: he's got a very visible, high profile head coach with

806
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: an ego of his own, who Mike McCarthy I think,

807
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: didn't mind having Kellen Moore here, but he's still what

808
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: like Mike McCarthy didn't hand pick him, so he's like,

809
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: I'm not the coaches guy I'm getting a lot of

810
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: credit for this offense, Like, I just need to stay

811
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: in my lane and not be a thorn in Mike

812
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: McCarthy's side. So I wonder if he got into his

813
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: own situation where he was calling the shots. I wonder

814
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: what that would look like. It's it's hard to imagine, honestly,

815
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: because Kellen's been here since twenty fifteen, and he's been

816
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 1: so low key the entire time. Like I, it's hard

817
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: to imagine in any other way. But which would be

818
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: harder to replace? For Dallas dan Quinn? They asked, Yeah,

819
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: they asked me this on the radio today and I

820
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: didn't want to answer it, and I like I leaned

821
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: toward I put so much value on the quarterback play caller.

822
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: You want those two guys in sync. You want the

823
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: people in charge of your offense, like in lock step.

824
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: But there's so much talent on this offense that I

825
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: think it sells itself. And the ability to work with

826
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: a Dak Prescott, I think you could get yourself a

827
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: hell of a pool of candidates if you did have

828
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: to replace Kellen. Just haven't seen anything like what dan

829
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: Quinn's done with this defense in the last ten years.

830
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: I think the biggest key to that is you gotta

831
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: know how to use Michael Parsons. For Michael Parsons to

832
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: be the Michael Parsons that we've seen this year, it

833
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: would have been very comfortable for a lot of defensive

834
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: coordinators to just keep him at linebacker, and he would

835
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: have been a guy that was at the top of

836
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: the league in tackles. He would have made some splash

837
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 1: plays sideline. The sideline, you may have seen some stuff

838
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: in coverage. You probably wouldn't have seen him with his

839
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: hand on the ground rushing the passer. And so that's

840
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I want to defensive coordinate whoever he is.

841
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: If Dan Quinn leaves, I need somebody that knows how

842
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: to use a rare talent like Mica in all those

843
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: different ways and give him those opportunities rather than just

844
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: kind of putting him in a box and asking him

845
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: to do that great because he could do it. I

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Speaker 1: I would, and I think the world of Kellen. I'm

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't put too much of that on him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody had a hand in it, but I

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Speaker 1: think he's a really good coach. I'd be sad if

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Speaker 1: he left. But if you're making me say one, I'd say, Dan,

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Speaker 1: all right, that's a rap. We'll be back tomorrow. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk tomorrow about the off the Arizona defense versus

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense. Still then for Nick Keeping. Dave Helm

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Speaker 1: and I'm Derek Eagleton has been The Break Live on

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