WEBVTT - US Regulators Investigate Tesla Door Handles

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. Bloomberg Tech is alive

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<v Speaker 1>from coast to coast, with Caroline Hide in New York

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<v Speaker 1>and Ed Lovelow in Sent Francisco.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Bloomberg Tech coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>US auto safety regulators probe Tesla over issues with door

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<v Speaker 3>handles on certain vehicles following a Bloomberg report.

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<v Speaker 4>Plus, Google will invest close to seven billion dollars over

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<v Speaker 4>two years in the UK to help build its AI economy, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Service now expands its presence in Florida with a new

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<v Speaker 3>regional hub. We speak with the CEO and with the

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<v Speaker 3>developer of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Site, but first we check out what's happening in the markets.

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<v Speaker 5>We are so close to ten.

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<v Speaker 4>Straight days of gains on the NASA one hundred. There's

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<v Speaker 4>a blip. We pull just slightly into the negative territory.

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<v Speaker 4>And then as that one hundred only slightly ed, what

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<v Speaker 4>is it? Thirteen points? Much anxiety as we go into

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<v Speaker 4>the federal reserve policy. The decision comes tomorrow, will we

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<v Speaker 4>see a cut? But what about the future direction? As

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<v Speaker 4>those retail sales look pretty buoyant, can they be as

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<v Speaker 4>dubvish in the longer term? But Ed, you're looking at

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<v Speaker 4>perhaps what moves the markets on.

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<v Speaker 5>This exact day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's go to our top story.

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<v Speaker 3>US auto safety regulators opened up an investigation into whether

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<v Speaker 3>some Tesla vehicle doors are defective. This comes days after

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<v Speaker 3>a Bloomberg investigation uncovered a series of incidents in which

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<v Speaker 3>people were injured or died after they were unable to

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<v Speaker 3>open doors when Tesla's lost power, particularly after crashes. I

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<v Speaker 3>would note the stock is higher in this Tuesday session,

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<v Speaker 3>up almost two percent. Bloomberg's Global Auto's editor Craig Trudell

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<v Speaker 3>joins us from London. Let's start with the investigation, which

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<v Speaker 3>is a Nitzer investigation. Craig explain the parameters of what

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<v Speaker 3>Nitza's looking at and the scope of what they're looking at.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's interesting, you know, the sort of headline information

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<v Speaker 6>at the top of this document that it's an issue

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<v Speaker 6>today refers to a pretty narrow, narrow set of vehicles.

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<v Speaker 6>This is the twenty twenty one model Y. It's about

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<v Speaker 6>one hundred and seventy thousand cars. But the issue here

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<v Speaker 6>has the potential to be much broader because what NITSA

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<v Speaker 6>is looking at is Tesla's approach to its door design

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<v Speaker 6>and the fact that its doors are reliant on.

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<v Speaker 2>Electrical power in order to work.

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<v Speaker 6>That is something that applies to all Tesla's going back

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<v Speaker 6>to the model S that's been in production since twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 6>So while Tesla is you know, on the surface, it

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<v Speaker 6>looks like this is a single model, a single model year,

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<v Speaker 6>this has the potential to be something much broader. You

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<v Speaker 6>think back to, you know, a precedent of an autopilot

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<v Speaker 6>investigation where they were narrowly looking at how that system

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<v Speaker 6>handled you know, certain parameters like how they werenavigating emergency

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<v Speaker 6>vehicles and you know, running into say, fire trucks or

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<v Speaker 6>police cars. That didn't just stayed narrowly focused on that

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<v Speaker 6>one issue. They had to recall autopilot.

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<v Speaker 7>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>Overall, right, it affected their vehicles in a much broader way.

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<v Speaker 6>It has there is some potential for the same to

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<v Speaker 6>play out here with this model.

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<v Speaker 2>Why why investigation.

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<v Speaker 4>Craig China, top regulators there have been looking at these

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<v Speaker 4>concealed handles before. Already Europe has been thinking a lot

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<v Speaker 4>about accidents in such cases.

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<v Speaker 5>Is it just a Tesler design?

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<v Speaker 4>And more broadly, how are we thinking about the US

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<v Speaker 4>tackling it versus other regions?

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's interesting because this is a design that,

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<v Speaker 6>for all of its potential flaws, at least to some degree,

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<v Speaker 6>has been embraced and sort of copied by other manufacturers.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's something that we included in our.

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<v Speaker 6>Report last week that a lot of electric vehicle you know,

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<v Speaker 6>rivals or would be rivals to Tesla that have come

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<v Speaker 6>onto the market over the years have kind of embraced

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<v Speaker 6>this you know, flush door handle design, essentially kind of

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<v Speaker 6>innovating a door handle that maybe didn't need to be innovated,

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<v Speaker 6>and that is something that will be you know, very

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<v Speaker 6>interesting for us to watch here because we also included

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<v Speaker 6>in last week's report mentioned of the fact that we've

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<v Speaker 6>already seen recalls related to the safety of door handles

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<v Speaker 6>in for instance, the Mustang Machie, the Ford SUV that

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<v Speaker 6>is taking on the Model Y. So this has the

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<v Speaker 6>potential to be not only a broader investigation for Tesla,

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<v Speaker 6>but also something that knits A takes a closer look

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<v Speaker 6>at across all manufacturers that have taken after Tesla from

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<v Speaker 6>this design perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>After NITSA confirmed its investigation this morning, Tesla has not

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<v Speaker 3>responded to request a comment from Bloomberg, but We just

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<v Speaker 3>showed Craig while you were speaking the comments of Tesla's

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<v Speaker 3>board chair Robin Denholm, which will remember Karen and I

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<v Speaker 3>are posed too after our original report has been in

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<v Speaker 3>vers Cray Trudell out of London.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 3>Going back to the UK, Google will invest five billion

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<v Speaker 3>dollars that's six point five billion pounds storry, that's six

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<v Speaker 3>point eight billion dollars over two years into the UK

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<v Speaker 3>to help build an AI economy in the country. The

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<v Speaker 3>tech giant disclosed the plan just as President Trump is

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<v Speaker 3>set to announce billions of dollars of economic deals during

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<v Speaker 3>his visit to the UK this week. He's expected to

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<v Speaker 3>travel with several US tech leaders, including in Nvidio CEO

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<v Speaker 3>Jensen Wang and open Ai CEO Sam Altman. Bloomberg's UK

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<v Speaker 3>correspondent Lizzie Burden joins us and Lizzie give us the

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<v Speaker 3>need to know on this alphabet deal and what else

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<v Speaker 3>we're looking forward to.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, as you both know, this alphabet deal is a

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<v Speaker 8>drop in the ocean in terms of the capex of alphabets,

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<v Speaker 8>but it's a big deal for the UK. It's something

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<v Speaker 8>that's been long in the making. The UK tech Secretary

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<v Speaker 8>is the former one. Peter Kyle is now the UK

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<v Speaker 8>Business and Trade Secretary, perhaps as a sign of just

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<v Speaker 8>how important tech is to the business landscape here in

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<v Speaker 8>the UK.

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<v Speaker 5>But as you say, it's part of a broader suite.

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<v Speaker 8>Of economic deals that we're expecting the President to announce

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<v Speaker 8>here on his visit to Britain. We're expecting ten billion

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<v Speaker 8>pounds worth of deals to be announced, including a defense

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<v Speaker 8>tech cooperation agreement, also partnership on nuclear also bringing together

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<v Speaker 8>the economic hubs on both sides of the Atlantics. There's

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<v Speaker 8>a lot of stake here for Keir Starmer. It's an

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<v Speaker 8>unprecedented second state visit for Donald Trump here in Windsor

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<v Speaker 8>this eleventh century castle behind me. But I have to

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<v Speaker 8>say this is the worst possible timing for Keir Starmer.

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<v Speaker 8>He's just lost his UK Ambassador to the US, Peter Mandelson,

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<v Speaker 8>over his links to Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein of course links

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<v Speaker 8>to the King himself via his brother Prince Andrew, and

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<v Speaker 8>to Donald Trump. So there are going to be some

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<v Speaker 8>very very awkward moments, not least at the press conference

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<v Speaker 8>at the end of the trip. For the UK, the

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<v Speaker 8>point will be to not look like we're appeasing the President,

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<v Speaker 8>but also to make sure that something substantive comes out

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<v Speaker 8>from this visit, because ultimately the UK is playing its

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<v Speaker 8>age by deploying the King.

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<v Speaker 4>Bloomberg's Lizzie Burden from Windsor Castle. We appreciated. Let's return

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<v Speaker 4>to the tech deals that we're expecting to come out

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<v Speaker 4>of that visit and the focus on AI with Leeds Hue,

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<v Speaker 4>chief Investment Officer for Thematic Innovation Equities and Alliance Burnsteam

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<v Speaker 4>and more.

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<v Speaker 5>This fits into the whole.

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<v Speaker 4>Array of conversation we keep having about the need for

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<v Speaker 4>investment in air. We just think back to Oracle's numbers

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<v Speaker 4>last week and how much they were showing that they've

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<v Speaker 4>got this backlog building. We've got all the hyperscalers trying

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<v Speaker 4>to build out, Alphabet's looking to build a data center

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<v Speaker 4>in the UK. Are we seeing that continuing to go

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<v Speaker 4>up into the right at the speed that we see

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<v Speaker 4>at the moment, Well.

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<v Speaker 9>I think all we're seeing is actually we're hitting an

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<v Speaker 9>inflection point in inferencing. So you look, it's just broadly speaking,

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<v Speaker 9>not just those big numbers that you quoted, but also

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<v Speaker 9>if you look the AI trend and the adoption and

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<v Speaker 9>where we're seeing the step function and numbers is broadening out,

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<v Speaker 9>so it's a broader set of companies that are starting

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<v Speaker 9>to benefit, whether it's the networking companies or we're seeing

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<v Speaker 9>it in memory pricing, in storage, in hardware. So those

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<v Speaker 9>are all signs that you know, in terms of the

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<v Speaker 9>AI adoption, the inferencing at the edge, things are actually happening,

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<v Speaker 9>and to me, this is a very positive sign. That

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<v Speaker 9>means the real adoption which will drive continued build So

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<v Speaker 9>we think about it tech innovation generally, we take step functions, right,

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<v Speaker 9>We kind of chuck along and then all of a

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<v Speaker 9>sudden there's an inflection point and things really start to

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<v Speaker 9>take off. And I really think we are still in

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<v Speaker 9>the early innings of that happening, and supported by all

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<v Speaker 9>the evidence that we have seen at the micro level

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<v Speaker 9>from the company as well as these mega trends that

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<v Speaker 9>you're seeing at you know, the big macro level.

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<v Speaker 4>The step function has already been shown in the valuations

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<v Speaker 4>of companies. We just want to bring you some sound

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<v Speaker 4>actually from a key investor who manages money for Peter

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<v Speaker 4>til no Less. We've been talking about how we've been

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<v Speaker 4>looking at maybe a bubble growing an ai.

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<v Speaker 5>Just take a listen.

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<v Speaker 10>The AI bubble is real, and I don't take enough

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<v Speaker 10>people talk about it. And if you were able to

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<v Speaker 10>be an early investor in open ai, then congratulations, that's

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<v Speaker 10>a great place to be. If you're coming and investing

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<v Speaker 10>at open ai at a five hundred million dollar valuation,

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<v Speaker 10>I honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know about that.

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<v Speaker 10>So I think that is the more dominant topic that

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<v Speaker 10>is going on, at least within Silicon Valley circles. It

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<v Speaker 10>doesn't get talked about enough. And how it chicks out,

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<v Speaker 10>it's going to be fascinating because if you got in early, fantastic.

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<v Speaker 10>If you're getting in today, I'm not assured.

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<v Speaker 4>Long time sort of managing director for the private wealth

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<v Speaker 4>of Peter Teel, but also with AZVC founder Jack Selby,

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<v Speaker 4>there are you worried about any exuberance already reflecting evaluations

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<v Speaker 4>even though we are at this inflection point.

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<v Speaker 9>I think that brings it interesting point. Valuation is important,

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<v Speaker 9>and we always said valuation is important, but it's only

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<v Speaker 9>related to interestal customer revisions. So not all companies are

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<v Speaker 9>going to succeed. There will be a lot of company

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<v Speaker 9>that simply put the name in their press release, and

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<v Speaker 9>those are the ones that we say, oh, that's AI too.

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<v Speaker 9>So it actually brings back to we have to do

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<v Speaker 9>our due diligence. Some of them will succeed, many of

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<v Speaker 9>them will fail. Even if you look back to the

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<v Speaker 9>web one dot right, there were so thousands of companies,

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<v Speaker 9>but really a few survived and those are the leaders today.

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<v Speaker 9>And as we look forward, I would say AI is transformative.

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<v Speaker 9>We are early and leadership is being redefined. And that's

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<v Speaker 9>why all the companies are rushing out to spend because

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<v Speaker 9>it's as defensive as it is offensive. But we will

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<v Speaker 9>find new leaders but in the meantime we'll also have

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<v Speaker 9>to be prudent. Not all of them are going to succeed.

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<v Speaker 9>And in fact, when you redefine the future of leadership,

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<v Speaker 9>when there's a paradigm change, some of the things that

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<v Speaker 9>we use to think that work may not work. So

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<v Speaker 9>what is perceived to be cheap could also be more

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<v Speaker 9>expensive than you expect it. So again brings back to

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<v Speaker 9>we've got to do our homework. It's easy to call

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<v Speaker 9>everything a bubble, but underneath that, actually there are opportunities,

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<v Speaker 9>but they are also you know, prudence is absolutely important.

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<v Speaker 3>Lay the other counterpoint to a bubble argument is that

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<v Speaker 3>different geographies are moving at different speeds. This week exemplifies that.

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<v Speaker 3>Does it not that you see earlier announcements for a

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<v Speaker 3>buildout of infrastructure in the United Kingdom given that we

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<v Speaker 3>haven't seen the same level of activity in Western Europe

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<v Speaker 3>the United Kingdom? Does the Lions burnsteam change its attitude

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<v Speaker 3>towards British equities, UK equities, European equities in that AI

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<v Speaker 3>infrastructure supply chain.

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<v Speaker 9>I think AI is a global phenomenon, but it's more

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<v Speaker 9>so just tech. Innovation has become a crucial element in

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<v Speaker 9>national success. So it is something that we watch closely.

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<v Speaker 9>And I think in terms of each country the adoption

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<v Speaker 9>of AI, it reflects the readiness of the infrastructure, the

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<v Speaker 9>readiness of the government, But oftentimes it ultimately comes down

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<v Speaker 9>to a private public together initiative, and there will be opportunities.

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<v Speaker 9>We've seen sovereign being a big driver for spend and

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<v Speaker 9>I expect to see that continue going forward. And I

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<v Speaker 9>also think each country will take a very different approach

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<v Speaker 9>because the budget is different, the willingness is different.

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<v Speaker 3>Lay very quickly, how close are you tracking private markets

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<v Speaker 3>and private companies that are active here?

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<v Speaker 9>It's very very important for us because a big part

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<v Speaker 9>of the AI adoptions is happening in the private market.

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<v Speaker 2>And now to.

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<v Speaker 9>Mention, if you look at these hundreds of billions of

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<v Speaker 9>dollars they need to be financed. A big part of

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<v Speaker 9>the financing is being done on the private side, monitoring

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<v Speaker 9>that trend very closely, both on the demand side and

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<v Speaker 9>in terms of financing which support the supply side.

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<v Speaker 3>Late of alien spurn seen. Great to have you back

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<v Speaker 3>on the program, Thank you very much. Now coming up,

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<v Speaker 3>the CEO of Service Now and developer Related Ross joins

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<v Speaker 3>us to discuss efforts to turn West Palm Beach into

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<v Speaker 3>an AI hub.

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<v Speaker 2>Carry what are you looking at?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm actually still looking at those valuations on the publicly

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<v Speaker 4>traded side. Oracle, I mean key player when it comes

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<v Speaker 4>to AI infrastructure cours up one and a half percent.

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<v Speaker 4>This is on the back of its earnings last week,

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<v Speaker 4>but also as the narrative around TikTok continues to unfold.

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<v Speaker 4>Will they remain a key cloud provider, an infrastructure provider?

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<v Speaker 4>Could they even take a necty stake for at one

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<v Speaker 4>point se percent? This is Broomberg Tech.

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<v Speaker 3>Service Now is expanding its presence in Florida with a

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<v Speaker 3>new regional innovation hub, an AI Institute in West Palm Beach.

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<v Speaker 3>The developer of the site is Related Ross, run by

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen Ross. He's known for the Hudson Yards redevelopment project

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<v Speaker 3>and of course ownership of the Miami Dolphins. Stephen Ross

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<v Speaker 3>and Service Now CEO Bill McDermott join us now, gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning. Thank you for joining us here on Bloombo Tech. Bill,

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<v Speaker 3>it's great to have you back on. Start with the

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<v Speaker 3>Service Now piece. You know, in this environment, Bill, where

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<v Speaker 3>there's such a micro focus on the talent in AI

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<v Speaker 3>and where companies are spending resources, why does this position

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<v Speaker 3>Service Now better to have this footprint in Florida.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, there's no artificial intelligence without human intelligence, said, and

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<v Speaker 11>there's no leader that can develop a project and a

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<v Speaker 11>dream are better than Stephen Ross. And you mentioned the

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<v Speaker 11>Hudson Yards, but he also did the Time Warner Center.

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<v Speaker 11>And we've been friends for a long time. And I

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<v Speaker 11>always felt the trust was the ultimate human currency and

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<v Speaker 11>it's still is. And I believed in his dream and

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<v Speaker 11>what I see happening here is we're building an AI institute,

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<v Speaker 11>and in this institute, we're going to have the most

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<v Speaker 11>innovative engineers in the world. We're going to be able

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<v Speaker 11>to prototype solutions for the public and private sector at

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<v Speaker 11>record pace, and then we're going to move those solutions

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<v Speaker 11>out into the market. We're also creating knowledge university, and

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<v Speaker 11>we're going to put the flag right here in West

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<v Speaker 11>Palm Beach to rise up three million people in our

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<v Speaker 11>economy to the AI world so they can get the

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<v Speaker 11>better paying jobs, the creative jobs where only humans can

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<v Speaker 11>really excel. And I underscore we really believe it's all

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<v Speaker 11>about putting AI to work for people, because we're a

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<v Speaker 11>job creator and we believe that AI has to be

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<v Speaker 11>in service to people, and right in West Palm Beach

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<v Speaker 11>we're role modeling that.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Ross, you have a vision that West Palm Beach

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<v Speaker 3>becomes an AI hub more than just service. Now, how

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<v Speaker 3>difficult is it to vince the technology industry of your vision?

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<v Speaker 2>And why West Palm Beach, Well.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean West Palm Beach is really because of Florida

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<v Speaker 12>being the great business state it is, and knowing that

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<v Speaker 12>South Florida is different than the rest of Florida and

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<v Speaker 12>it's really poised to growth and attract jobs. It's never

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<v Speaker 12>done that before. It's always been second homes, you know,

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<v Speaker 12>the second home to all South America, if you will.

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<v Speaker 12>But right now, the resources of Florida, there's not a

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<v Speaker 12>better business state. And when you look and see where

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<v Speaker 12>people are going in the change that's occurring in this country,

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<v Speaker 12>there's no place better positioned. So we had to really

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<v Speaker 12>put it together to bring those things that Florida didn't

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<v Speaker 12>have to attract business. And that's what we've been concentrating on.

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<v Speaker 12>And fortunately now I mean Bill and his vision which

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<v Speaker 12>is second to none. Really saw, at least in our opinion,

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<v Speaker 12>and I'll take that most people's opinion, but saw the

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<v Speaker 12>possibilities and how South Florida was really different than any

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<v Speaker 12>other place in the country. There's not a better business

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<v Speaker 12>state in Florida to start with. So we're very fortunate.

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<v Speaker 4>Bill eight hundred and fifty jobs over the next five years,

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<v Speaker 4>talking about one point eight billion dollars in economic impact.

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<v Speaker 4>You're big on training and training people with service now.

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<v Speaker 5>But will some of your employees move over? How much

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<v Speaker 5>are they wanting to come to the Gold Coast?

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<v Speaker 11>I would say we'll have a twenty percent of our

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<v Speaker 11>workforce likely relocate. The demand to do that has been unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 11>And I keep reminding people the office gets completed in

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<v Speaker 11>twenty twenty seven, so just relax. But the demand is there.

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<v Speaker 11>I think it'll be eighty percent net new job.

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<v Speaker 2>So you look at.

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<v Speaker 11>Florida, amazing universities across Florida, look at our veterans. We're

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<v Speaker 11>going to cross train our veterans on our open AI

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<v Speaker 11>opportunity and they're going to get excited and this is

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<v Speaker 11>going to be a great place for them to grow

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<v Speaker 11>and prosper people that want to switch jobs and go

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<v Speaker 11>into this industry because it's flourishing. You know, the jobs

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<v Speaker 11>are going to get created in tech companies like service Now,

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<v Speaker 11>and we keep hiring, We're growing, we're hiring, we're prospering

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<v Speaker 11>because the innovation is second to none. And you know

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<v Speaker 11>something you know that's very well Carolina and ed. This

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<v Speaker 11>platform connects to every cloud, it connects to every learning

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<v Speaker 11>and every AI model, and it connects.

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<v Speaker 2>To every data source.

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<v Speaker 11>So this will be the AI platform for business transformation.

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<v Speaker 11>And the opportunity has never been greater than it is

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<v Speaker 11>right now. And I'm excited to do this with my

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<v Speaker 11>great friend Steve and really really grow the company, especially

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<v Speaker 11>in West Palm Beach for the great state of Florida,

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<v Speaker 11>and I want to say Governor DeSantis, Mayor James Stephen Ross,

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<v Speaker 11>all of us work very hard behind the scenes to

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<v Speaker 11>make this moment a reality.

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<v Speaker 4>Stephen, that reality is mixed use residential, retail, office properties

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<v Speaker 4>in this particular focus.

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<v Speaker 5>What about data centers?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you thinking about the future of Florida there? I

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<v Speaker 4>know very much West Palm Beach is a place to

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<v Speaker 4>live and to thrive. But where will your opportunities go

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<v Speaker 4>next when it comes to technology.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, first of all, all we're just starting and really

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<v Speaker 12>had to really develop the base for them to see

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<v Speaker 12>the opportunities here. So we really concentrated on bringing great

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<v Speaker 12>universities like Vanderbilt that are coming here with their business engineering,

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<v Speaker 12>tech with schools, and then we had to bring in

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<v Speaker 12>a hospital. We have Cleveland Clinic, and so we're bringing

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<v Speaker 12>all those things that are necessary K through twelve education

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<v Speaker 12>to attract companies. And that's what we've been concentrating on

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<v Speaker 12>and working with the city and the county and the

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<v Speaker 12>state that will really make this a place where companies

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<v Speaker 12>really want to relocate because they can attract the best talent.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Ross, thank you for that Bill, I think a

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<v Speaker 3>very reasonable question that your employees are going to have

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<v Speaker 3>is whether the you yourself are going to make the

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<v Speaker 3>move to Florida and other members of leadership will make

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<v Speaker 3>the move if you believe so much in this vision

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<v Speaker 3>of the future for West Palm Beach.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, you have to remember we have a very large

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<v Speaker 11>commitment to the state of California where we started the

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<v Speaker 11>company in both San Diego and Santa Clara, California, which

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<v Speaker 11>is where I'm based. But we will have executive leaders

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<v Speaker 11>on the top management team that will be domicile here

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<v Speaker 11>in West Palm Beach and will be part of this

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<v Speaker 11>amazing revolution. And I will spend a lot of time

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<v Speaker 11>the time, the discretionary time that I can here because

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<v Speaker 11>I really want people to know we planted a flag today.

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<v Speaker 11>This is a flag of opportunity, a flag of growth,

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<v Speaker 11>and leadership starts at the top. And I've always believed

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<v Speaker 11>that the true measure of a leader is not what

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<v Speaker 11>you take from this world, is what you give it.

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<v Speaker 11>And today's service now gave it a lot. We came

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<v Speaker 11>in here and Kelly, who runs Palm Beach County Business Development,

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<v Speaker 11>set on stage. This is the biggest corporate move into

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<v Speaker 11>this area in Palm Beach County in the last thirty years.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm super proud of that, and i want to make

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<v Speaker 11>this a stunning success. So I'll be where I need

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<v Speaker 11>to be, the leadership team will be where they need

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<v Speaker 11>to be. But the main thing is to build a

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<v Speaker 11>masterpiece of flywheel of growth and innovation.

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<v Speaker 2>I've already received several techs.

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<v Speaker 11>Today on this announcement from other tech companies and systems

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<v Speaker 11>integrators that are like, Wow, what are you doing there?

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on in West Palm.

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<v Speaker 4>Bill, We'll see who comes on to say they're moving next.

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<v Speaker 4>Bill McDermott, CEO of Service Now Stephen Ross, CEO related Ross.

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<v Speaker 5>Great to have you both. It's time now for talking tech.

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<v Speaker 4>First up, Amazon satellite internet venture project Kaiper, expected to

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<v Speaker 4>offer service in five countries, including the US by early

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty six. The names to compete with Musk Starlink,

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<v Speaker 4>and has already reached an agreement to provide on board

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<v Speaker 4>Wi Fi for Jet Blue plus Google Well it considered

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<v Speaker 4>selling off parts of its ad tech business to resolve

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<v Speaker 4>monopoly charges.

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<v Speaker 5>It's going into a lawyer for the company now.

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<v Speaker 4>The Justice Department, however, is seeking a full divestiture of

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<v Speaker 4>Google Google's advertising exchange.

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<v Speaker 5>Two sides meet in a hearing next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to Bloomberg Tech. I'm saying here, look at

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<v Speaker 3>the chip sector. The Philadelphia Semiconductor Index or socks were

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<v Speaker 3>mildly soft, down a few tens five percent, but early

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<v Speaker 3>in the session we opened higher, and if we close

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<v Speaker 3>in the green, that would put us on track for

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<v Speaker 3>the ninth straight day of gains on the socks, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the longest streak since twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Stories there, I've put Micron in a video.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, video is down almost a percent in the moment,

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<v Speaker 3>but year to date, big drivers have gained. Micron reports

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<v Speaker 3>earning September twenty third in video. Under pressure right now,

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<v Speaker 3>but recent momentum and the idea carr as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>is that maybe in videos at the center of the

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<v Speaker 3>discussions between the United States and China right now, will

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<v Speaker 3>it come off on that phone call between the President

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<v Speaker 3>and Jijing thing on Friday?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the question the market's answer askame it is.

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<v Speaker 4>Meanwhile, the market's also looking at what President Trump is

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<v Speaker 4>doing in terms of filing a fifteen billion dollar defamation

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<v Speaker 4>lawsuit against the new York Times, that's greater in the

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<v Speaker 4>newspaper's market cap A so you can currently see the

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<v Speaker 4>President is accusing The Times of serving as a.

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<v Speaker 5>Quote mouthpiece for the Democrats.

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<v Speaker 4>The New York Times send in a statement that the

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<v Speaker 4>lawsuit quote has no merit and is an attempt to

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<v Speaker 4>stifle and discourage independent reporting. That's bringing lead focus for

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<v Speaker 4>Bloomberg's media and entertainment coverage Chris pal Mary, Chris, when

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<v Speaker 4>you're editing stories like this, when you're thinking about driving

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<v Speaker 4>forward the news, we have the context that is this

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<v Speaker 4>isn't the first time President Trump has sued a reporting network.

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<v Speaker 13>Right, I mean, in terms of our work, I mean,

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<v Speaker 13>we always try to be tough but fair to everybody.

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<v Speaker 13>And so this has been a tactic Trump's used for

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<v Speaker 13>years and until he became president. Really the second time

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<v Speaker 13>he's not been successful ensuing the media, but more recently

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<v Speaker 13>he has been getting settlements out of ABC and CBS, Facebook,

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<v Speaker 13>And so he's tying this in a way to his

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<v Speaker 13>power as president to say, get the FCC to approve

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<v Speaker 13>Paramount's merger with guidance, which happened just a week or

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<v Speaker 13>so after they settled the CBS suit with him so

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<v Speaker 13>you know, he's using this.

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<v Speaker 2>It scores with his base.

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<v Speaker 13>If you see what his truth social posts have said.

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<v Speaker 13>It's really about, hey, they're attacking me, your president, and

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<v Speaker 13>it's a revenue generator for his Presidential Library foundation.

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<v Speaker 2>And lastly, he.

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<v Speaker 13>Hopes whether that's successful not not clear at all. Is stifling,

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<v Speaker 13>as The New York Times said, trying to get reporters

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<v Speaker 13>not to write nasty stories about him.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris, what is it specifically that the president is claiming

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<v Speaker 3>in this suit? We say it's a fifteen billion dollar lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 3>But what is it that he is accusing the New

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<v Speaker 3>York Times of You.

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<v Speaker 13>Know, it's interesting compared to the ABC and CVS suits,

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<v Speaker 13>which were really specific incidences, this is much broader. It's

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<v Speaker 13>sort of just a whole agenda he argues against him

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<v Speaker 13>and for Kamala Harris in the last election. You know much,

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<v Speaker 13>you know, harder when there's no specific allegation of journalistic

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<v Speaker 13>wrongdoing here.

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<v Speaker 3>The New York Times said in a statement, the lawsuit

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<v Speaker 3>has no merit and is an attempt to cipher and

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<v Speaker 3>discourage independent reporting. Bloomberg's entertainment editor, Chris Palm Mary, thank

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<v Speaker 3>you very much, President Trump says, he'll speak with Chinese

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<v Speaker 3>leaders Jijingping on Friday, as US and Chinese officials reached

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<v Speaker 3>a framework deal on keeping the TikTok app running in

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<v Speaker 3>the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to this.

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<v Speaker 11>We have a deal on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 7>I've reached a deal with China.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm going to stick to.

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<v Speaker 15>Presidency on Friday to confirm everything up.

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<v Speaker 3>We made a very good, great deal, and I hope

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<v Speaker 3>good for both cutches, but a very different deal.

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<v Speaker 7>Made in the best.

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<v Speaker 9>We'll be announcing that we have a group of very

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<v Speaker 9>big companies.

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<v Speaker 6>That want to buy it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the President speaking ahead of traveling to the United

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<v Speaker 3>Kingdom in summary, saying a lot of big technology companies

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<v Speaker 3>want to buy us TikTok and that there is a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll learn more later in the week.

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<v Speaker 3>Sarahkrep's, director of the Tech Policy Institute at Cornell University,

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<v Speaker 3>joins us now and Sarah, you know, newsflow is one thing,

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<v Speaker 3>but it looks like we're proceeding to a situation where

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<v Speaker 3>a coalition of American technology companies and others will be

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<v Speaker 3>able to keep TikTok going in the United States. But

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<v Speaker 3>there's a big phone call on Friday, and in your analysis,

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<v Speaker 3>and expertise of the relationship between the United States and

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<v Speaker 3>China and the tech domain. How central is the success

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<v Speaker 3>of that phone call to this happening.

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<v Speaker 16>I don't think that the phone call itself is going

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<v Speaker 16>to be what this deal hinges on. My sense is

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<v Speaker 16>that they've already established a framework through which which the

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<v Speaker 16>US part of TikTok will divest from the Chinese parent

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<v Speaker 16>company Byte Dance, and I think Friday's call is really

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<v Speaker 16>just to seal that deal and make an announcement.

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<v Speaker 3>We cover this based in the United States, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>work for an American news organization, but we always come

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<v Speaker 3>at this from the US point to the negotiating table.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you evaluate how China feels about TikTok being

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<v Speaker 3>able to get to continue in the US but some

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<v Speaker 3>concessions being made that would impact China and byte.

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<v Speaker 5>Dance, right, I think this is well.

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<v Speaker 16>I think first and foremost they would be the Chinese

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<v Speaker 16>have made it pretty clear they do not want to

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<v Speaker 16>sell the algorithm, that they want to separate the platform

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<v Speaker 16>from the algorithm, because it's the algorithm that is really

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<v Speaker 16>the secret sauce here for the whole thing, and so

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<v Speaker 16>trying to tease those two things out. The algorithm from

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<v Speaker 16>TikTok Usa, I think is really important to them. But

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<v Speaker 16>then there is a lot of issue linkage going on here.

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<v Speaker 16>There are so many aspects. So TikTok I think is

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<v Speaker 16>part of a broader set of discussions on trade between

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<v Speaker 16>the US and China, and so I think this is

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<v Speaker 16>really an important part of that, but emblematic of I

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<v Speaker 16>think what it seems Trump is trying to do, which

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<v Speaker 16>is harmonize a little bit that relationship between the US

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<v Speaker 16>and China.

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<v Speaker 4>In terms of data. How safe or at least from

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<v Speaker 4>a national security perspective, how able is US data to

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<v Speaker 4>be now protected in some way from flowover to China,

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<v Speaker 4>as Congress hopes.

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<v Speaker 16>Right, that was the important thing for Congress, which is well,

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<v Speaker 16>there were two aspects for Congress, which was one was

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<v Speaker 16>the algorithm, which was the ability to manipulate through the algorithm,

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<v Speaker 16>But there was always the question of data. And even

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<v Speaker 16>without the algorithm, the data is still very powerful. As

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<v Speaker 16>you probably remember, Cambridge Analytica never touched Facebook's algorithm, but

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<v Speaker 16>with the raw data that they had, they built profiles

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<v Speaker 16>of individual users, tested messages, and then micro targeted them.

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<v Speaker 16>And the TikTok data is even more revealing than that.

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<v Speaker 16>So it just not just posts and likes, but watch times, rewatches, pauses, shares,

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<v Speaker 16>all those signals are an exposure of attention span, emotional triggers,

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<v Speaker 16>hidden interests.

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<v Speaker 11>So the.

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<v Speaker 16>You know whatever foreign entity would perhaps still have a

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<v Speaker 16>backdoor to that data, and so far I haven't seen

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<v Speaker 16>anything on the technical side about how the US what

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<v Speaker 16>part of the deal would address that possible back door

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<v Speaker 16>access to power the powerful data.

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<v Speaker 4>Sarah, It's so interesting because all of this comes in

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<v Speaker 4>the broader view of US China relations and you sit

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<v Speaker 4>at that intersection technology, geopolitics, national security is TikTok the

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<v Speaker 4>thing that we should be that worried about when we're

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<v Speaker 4>also looking about AI relationships.

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<v Speaker 16>Well, it's an interesting question because you know, and I've

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<v Speaker 16>puzzled over why Congress, which passed this law and it

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<v Speaker 16>was signed into law, has not really pushed back on

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<v Speaker 16>these constant extensions, because if this was such a national

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<v Speaker 16>security threat, you would think it was a threat a

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<v Speaker 16>year ago, and the ninety day extensions are just kind

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 16>of perpetuating that threat. And I think part of the

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<v Speaker 16>implicit realization is that we've you know, even if you

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<v Speaker 16>address TikTok is really the tip of the iceberg, and

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<v Speaker 16>all these other national security tech issues, including the AI question,

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<v Speaker 16>which I think is just in some ways looms even larger.

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<v Speaker 4>Sarah Creps of Cornell University come back to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>the AI looming still coming up.

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<v Speaker 5>Jack Ma returns to add to Baba with some conventions.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to discuss that next. This is a blue

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<v Speaker 5>bag tech.

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<v Speaker 4>Jack Ma is back after banishing from public eye at

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<v Speaker 4>the outset of an anti trust investgation in late twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 4>Sources say China's most recognizable entrepreneur is back on Ali

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<v Speaker 4>Baba's campuses, and he's more directly involved than he's been

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<v Speaker 4>in half a decade.

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<v Speaker 5>Bromberg's Global Tech editor.

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<v Speaker 4>Peter Elstrom joins us, Now, how is his hand being felt?

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, so Jack is back on the Ali Baba campuses.

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:23.200
<v Speaker 15>We've spoken with people who have seen him on the campus.

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 15>He's wearing his badge around. He's more actively involved in

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 15>the operations of the company than he has been really

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 15>since twenty nineteen when he stepped down as chairman. In particular,

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 15>he's been quite involved in AI, their AI initiatives, which

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 15>are going quite well at Ali Baba, and he's been

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 15>very involved in this e commerce fight that the company

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 15>has been having with JD dot Com and Mayitwan, the

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 15>biggest delivery company there. Jack is used to the days

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 15>when Ali Baba commanded the tech landscape within China, when

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 15>they had something like eighty five percent of the e

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 15>commerce market, and now the competition is much more severe.

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 15>So in this latest clash where these companies are really

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<v Speaker 15>fighting with each other over fast deliveries, deliveries within an hour,

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 15>he's been encouraging them to spend lots of money fifty

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 15>billion New Want or about seven billion dollars on these

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 15>fast delivery competitions. So he's there, he's involved in strategy,

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 15>he's taking part in these discussions, and he's quite active,

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 15>and he's an inspiration for employee.

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<v Speaker 2>He's on campus.

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<v Speaker 3>That was part of the reporting that I found most interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Sources basically telling us that Jack is back, but other

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 3>officials at the company are trying to explain to him

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<v Speaker 3>that it's not the Ali Barba that he knew from

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<v Speaker 3>a market competitiveness standpoint. Do we know anything about how

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<v Speaker 3>Jack Mars reacted to that, you know, the new realities

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 3>that he finds himself in.

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 15>He certainly is used to the days when Ali Baba

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<v Speaker 15>was the biggest, most valuable tech company within China, and

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 15>now the landscape has changed quite a bit. Even in

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 15>e commerce, they face very very serious competition and food

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 15>delivery May Twine is much bigger than they are now

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 15>ten Cent is much more valuable than they are. Ali

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 15>Baba's stock has come back quite a bit this year.

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<v Speaker 15>It's up about eighty percent, but it's still far far

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<v Speaker 15>below its peak back in twenty twenty. It's down more

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 15>than fifty percent from that level, and for good reason.

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 15>The company ran into a bunch of regulatory problems. Jack

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 15>Moss spoke out against the regulators at the time. That

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 15>was part of the reason that the company ran into trouble.

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 15>They were planning on taking their finance affiliate and group

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 15>public at that point, and they had to pull that IPO.

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 15>It still isn't public even at this point. But now

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 15>he's sort of come back. He's revived his reputation and

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:33.720
<v Speaker 15>met with Shi Jimping earlier this year, So now he's

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 15>given more freedom and he's participating in campus and he's

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 15>more than just another executive at the company. He really

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 15>is an inspiration for a lot of the employees. Many

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 15>of these employees never worked with him, and they've been

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 15>there a short enough period of time that they haven't

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 15>really seen what he's been able to do, and they're

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 15>looking forward to him coming back. But as you say,

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 15>the business is very different. AI is much more important.

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 15>E commerce is very much a different game. They're participating

0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 15>in cloud computing, so there's a lot that he has

0:33:59.200 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 15>to learn too.

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.720
<v Speaker 3>Bloomberg's Peter Elstrom on a really important piece of Bloomberg

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 3>reporting about Ali Baba, Thank you Now. AI is coming

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:11.280
<v Speaker 3>for the Owl due lingo is facing risks from multiple angles.

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 3>Is investors reassess the impact of AI on the language

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 3>learning platform. One of them AI powered live translation services.

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 3>Bloomberg's Tech equity reporter for Ian Vaselka has the reporting,

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 3>this takes me back to Apple iPhone day in the

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 3>market move when Airport's pro had simultaneous translation.

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 2>You've looked at the stock, what's going on? Hey, thanks

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:32.799
<v Speaker 2>for having me.

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<v Speaker 13>So we've seen a number of AI companies and services

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 13>come out with live translation features, which is seen as

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 13>a kind of competition for dual lingo. Are people going

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 13>to be paying to keep learning languages. When you can

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:49.439
<v Speaker 13>have AI automatically translate everything for you right away, that's

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 13>a big concern. Now the company has its own AI

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 13>first strategy, but this is an example where we have

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:59.320
<v Speaker 13>seen a real consumer backlash against this. Now the company

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:02.399
<v Speaker 13>says it's not impacting their financials yet, but we've seen

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 13>some analysts come out and talk about how this sort

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 13>of consumer aversion to AI could ultimately lead to weaker

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 13>user growth or other kinds of financial churn. So this

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 13>is a company that is getting it kind of on

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:18.280
<v Speaker 13>both sides, both a backlash and competition from AI.

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<v Speaker 4>In our household, it's all about chess, bloemegs round Ustelica,

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 4>thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 5>Indeed, YouTube's Made on YouTube event is Underwear in New York,

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 5>with the.

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 4>Company unveiling new tools, of course, including plenty of aipowd

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 4>ones to help video creators. We've got one of them,

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:41.240
<v Speaker 4>one of the most successful ones, Mark Rover, former NASA

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 4>engineer turned hugely popular YouTuber. And you are one of

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 4>the key creators at the event. You are in an

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 4>Apple product design as well. But you flipped your attention

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 4>back in twenty eleven to basically virality on YouTube and

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 4>education around science in particular, how much are you adopting

0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.279
<v Speaker 4>the AI tools, how much your team adopting it and

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 4>making your life a lot easier.

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<v Speaker 14>We've definitely got our pulse on it. We're using it

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.560
<v Speaker 14>a lot for like ideation and like thumbnails. I'd say

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.719
<v Speaker 14>is like the main like ide eating what thumbnails are.

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 14>But it's like, it will be really interesting to see

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:15.799
<v Speaker 14>how consumers feel about this, right because some people do

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 14>feel like it's taking you know, the creator out of

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 14>the loop. But I think YouTube has been very clear

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:23.239
<v Speaker 14>today they want to creator in the loop is what matter.

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 14>They don't want aislop either, So it kind of remains

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:28.840
<v Speaker 14>if you've seen how the consumer feels out about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting because for you, it's maybe about ab testing titles basically,

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:35.759
<v Speaker 4>maybe there's dubbing that really helps the reach when you

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 4>go more global mark But when you think of VO

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<v Speaker 4>three and the use just not even of view as

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<v Speaker 4>a person, what do you want to put in place

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 4>by YouTube to ensure that slop isn't created?

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<v Speaker 7>I think I just trust that they're going to do

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<v Speaker 7>this responsibly.

0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 14>But even for me, like there's an opportunity here, right,

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 14>Like I want to get people stoked about science and education,

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:01.919
<v Speaker 14>and there's only you know, twenty four hours in a day,

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<v Speaker 14>so even for me, there's you know, there's an opportunity

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<v Speaker 14>for me to scale myself and to you know, teach

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<v Speaker 14>more topics deeper.

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<v Speaker 7>So you know, we're keeping a pulse on it.

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<v Speaker 14>I think YouTube will do a very good job of

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<v Speaker 14>making sure it's it's high quality and it's additive and

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<v Speaker 14>your feed isn't just filled with slot. That's terrible business

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<v Speaker 14>for them, right, They don't want that to happen. People

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<v Speaker 14>would stop using the platform.

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<v Speaker 9>Mark.

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<v Speaker 3>I spent a bit of time watching the Team Water

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<v Speaker 3>video that you did the collab we missed the Beast right,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, hearing from some of the execs at

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<v Speaker 3>today's event, there's lots of awesome AI stuff with VO three,

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<v Speaker 3>but you describe how you'd use it. The Team Water

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<v Speaker 3>projects like real video. Does it result the AI tool

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<v Speaker 3>in just less real material circulating on the platform?

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<v Speaker 14>I think it depends on the type of content, right,

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<v Speaker 14>for like just telling stories and like fiction. You know,

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<v Speaker 14>I think you're gonna see a lot more AI adoption

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<v Speaker 14>and people being okay with that. You know, at the

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<v Speaker 14>end of the day, if you know, mister bist and

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<v Speaker 14>I we go to Kenya to visit a village. If

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<v Speaker 14>that's AI, like, I got to imagine people aren't going

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<v Speaker 14>to love that, right, So there's definitely going to be

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<v Speaker 14>a spot for like real content that is actual connecting

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<v Speaker 14>with real humans, right. And then there's a spot where

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<v Speaker 14>I think it's going to really help with storytelling, and

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<v Speaker 14>so I think I think we'll see how that kind

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<v Speaker 14>of settled out settles out over time.

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<v Speaker 3>Mark, what are the main challenges that you face on

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<v Speaker 3>YouTube that were not addressed by by these great generative

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<v Speaker 3>AI tools that will put out today?

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<v Speaker 14>I mean, for the challenges that I face, I feel

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<v Speaker 14>like it's actually they've given me more tools than I

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<v Speaker 14>would even use out of the gate, right, So I

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<v Speaker 14>think they're doing a good job of getting out in

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<v Speaker 14>front of it and giving creators the tools.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's what YouTube.

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<v Speaker 14>Does, right, That's kind of their advantage over like a Netflix.

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<v Speaker 14>They don't have to pick the winners. They make the tools,

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<v Speaker 14>they create the platform and lo and behold over time,

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<v Speaker 14>the winners, you know, emerge, and then that's.

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<v Speaker 7>Who YouTube pays right through addsets and stuff.

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<v Speaker 14>So I think they're just following the same playbook that

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<v Speaker 14>they've done so far that's made them so successful. Create

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<v Speaker 14>the tools, create the platform. The end of the day,

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<v Speaker 14>it's all about the creators.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's about authentic creators.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what helped, for example, crunch Labs with the

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<v Speaker 4>success of getting real products into real people's hands because

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<v Speaker 4>people trust you and therefore you can help sell products.

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<v Speaker 5>You can do the stem toys, you can think.

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<v Speaker 4>Not only about viral videos, but about curriculum, about content,

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<v Speaker 4>about media projects that you're thinking mark will in the end,

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<v Speaker 4>authenticity be the thing that lends you even more success

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<v Speaker 4>versus the sudden wall of creation that we're going to

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<v Speaker 4>see that isn't real.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, I mean, especially on YouTube, historically, authenticity is the currency.

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<v Speaker 14>And that's kind of like what's helped me in by

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<v Speaker 14>background at NASA and Apple. I'm an actual mechanical engineer.

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<v Speaker 14>And you know, if a TV show like Discovery Channel

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<v Speaker 14>puts a TV show on YouTube, it doesn't do very

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<v Speaker 14>well because people want that authentic connection. So I think

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<v Speaker 14>there's probably going to be ways though, to even using

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<v Speaker 14>AI create that connection with your audience that feels authentic

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<v Speaker 14>and it all remained. You know, we're going to see

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<v Speaker 14>how that kind of pans out. But the tool is

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<v Speaker 14>just so powerful. You can do so much with it.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, clearly there's going to be some fairly seismic shift.

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<v Speaker 14>The key is kind of observing it and kind of

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<v Speaker 14>staying out in front, using it as a tool to

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<v Speaker 14>further authentically, you know, connect with your audience.

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<v Speaker 4>Marve your story is so fascinating. The fact that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you've done all this philanthropic work of late and we

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<v Speaker 4>saw that with mister Beeste, But the fact that you

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<v Speaker 4>were an.

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<v Speaker 5>Assa engineer, the fact that you were working at Apple.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean we're all talking about generals to AI and

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<v Speaker 4>Apple being behind the curve. What do your products you

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<v Speaker 4>want from them?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 14>I would want an iPhone that you know, actually Siri

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<v Speaker 14>that can actually answer a question or dictate.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, you know that Google.

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<v Speaker 14>It's really funny actually, you know it used to be

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<v Speaker 14>the Apple events are exciting. Google's were kind of boring

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<v Speaker 14>with like hardware and phones, and now it's sort of

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<v Speaker 14>switch where it's like, oh, what's Google doing, because you

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<v Speaker 14>know they are, you know, head of the curve at

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<v Speaker 14>least with AI and Gemini versus Apple got some catching

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<v Speaker 14>up to do. So regardless, it's a very exciting time

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<v Speaker 14>to be alive, right, you know, I think the way

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<v Speaker 14>we can definitely agree is that things will be changing

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<v Speaker 14>a lot in the next three, five, ten years and

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<v Speaker 14>we just get to you know, sit by an a watch.

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<v Speaker 14>But there's others of us, you know, myself, even you

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<v Speaker 14>know you guys included. We get to be part of

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<v Speaker 14>like shaping what it will be and how it will

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<v Speaker 14>turn out.

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<v Speaker 2>Market.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks like TikTok in the United States will be

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<v Speaker 3>able to continue. We'll find out more this week. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>in your career as a content creator focus on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you view that? You know, your industry faces

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<v Speaker 3>choice right on the platforms that they can go to.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's great. I think competition's great.

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<v Speaker 14>Honestly, I will say most creators, if you actually ask them,

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<v Speaker 14>want to move to YouTube, Like if you're big on TikTok,

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<v Speaker 14>if you're big on Instagram, like, they want to shift

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<v Speaker 14>to YouTube because they watch out for creators most they

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<v Speaker 14>pay the most. I'm not getting paid to say that.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm just one of them, and I see this right,

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<v Speaker 14>So and generally, you know, when TikTok had their short

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<v Speaker 14>form now YouTube as YouTube shorts. So generally, if there's

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<v Speaker 14>a type of content that really becomes sticky, right. You know,

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<v Speaker 14>YouTube adapts, and you know this AI is a great

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<v Speaker 14>example of this, Right. I think they're staying ahead of

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<v Speaker 14>the curve and skating to where the puck is and

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<v Speaker 14>saying like, hey, we need to make these tools available

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<v Speaker 14>so that we don't become obsolete, which, honestly, you know,

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<v Speaker 14>YouTube is where I have seventy one million subscribers.

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<v Speaker 7>So I'm really glad that they are having that kind.

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<v Speaker 14>Of attitude so that it doesn't become a tool or

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<v Speaker 14>in a platform that people don't want to use.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Rover, YouTube Create, a founder of crunch Labs. Really

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<v Speaker 3>great to have you here on Bloomberg Tech. Thank you

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<v Speaker 3>very much. That does it for this edition of Bloomberg

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