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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hoard and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>my first guest as we look ahead to this week's

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<v Speaker 1>game in the Meadowlands. Sunday Night Football is the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>our buddy, Chris Collinsworth. Chris, the way the Bengals offense

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<v Speaker 1>is performing, they are bound to start winning games aren't.

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<v Speaker 2>They You would think you would think. I mean it

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<v Speaker 2>has been spectacular to watch. I mean it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>And Joe coming off the injury and being able to

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<v Speaker 2>do what he did, and even you know, going through

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<v Speaker 2>two right tackles now and still being able to get

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<v Speaker 2>the ball out. Burrows just he's magical with the way

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<v Speaker 2>that he can manipulate the pass rush. He's going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to do it this week too, because the Giants

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<v Speaker 2>lead the league with twenty two sacks for comparative purposes,

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals have six. Right, So I mean that's what

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about, the kind of pressure of this team

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<v Speaker 2>I can generate. But I've got to go to Jamar Chase,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, you just the first words out of

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<v Speaker 2>your mouths to have to be Joe Burrow. But at

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<v Speaker 2>Jamar Chase. The plays that that sucker made in that

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<v Speaker 2>game the other day unbelievable. I mean, I slowed down

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<v Speaker 2>that little wide receiver screen pass and I took four

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<v Speaker 2>like screenshots. I do a video every week for our

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<v Speaker 2>guys on NBC just to get everybody ready for the game,

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<v Speaker 2>and I took like four screenshots of Okay, here it is,

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<v Speaker 2>this may gain a yard here it is. This may

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<v Speaker 2>get intercepted here. It is all right. He actually caught

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<v Speaker 2>the ball, but there's two guys right there, there's another

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<v Speaker 2>one behind him, and there's another safety behind them. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's two blockers, two guys and two guys behind them,

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<v Speaker 2>and at best this is gaining five yards. And it

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<v Speaker 2>went for seventy yard touchdown. And I know Joe Burrow

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<v Speaker 2>had to be going off the sideline going, I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest cornerback of all time. I'm here, look at me

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<v Speaker 2>a seventy yard touchdown pass. And but it was it

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<v Speaker 2>was magical. I mean it really was. And the post

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<v Speaker 2>pattern in behind Jamar had a little wiggle move at

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<v Speaker 2>the top of that and got that one that was

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<v Speaker 2>a hard catch too over the top. My guy, Yosi Bosch,

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<v Speaker 2>is you know with that big long play, how they

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<v Speaker 2>lost that game? I have no idea. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>kept going from a ten point lead to a three

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<v Speaker 2>point lead, to a ten point lead to a three

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<v Speaker 2>point lead, you know, back and forth, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>one interception, which was just the timing kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, is just sort of seemed like it spun

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<v Speaker 2>the other way. But then it was all going to

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<v Speaker 2>be fine. You know, and you got the fumble and

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<v Speaker 2>now you're already in field goal range and just one

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<v Speaker 2>of those days.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you'll be humble about this, you always are,

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<v Speaker 1>but you are a great wide receiver in your day.

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<v Speaker 1>Three time pro bowler, four one thousand yard seasons. But

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<v Speaker 1>when you watch Jamar and t is it like you're

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<v Speaker 1>watching Aliens a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they they because a because of their hands,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you say, Aliens, I'm old enough to think

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<v Speaker 2>about et. You know, the big loarm fingers and that

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<v Speaker 2>that I mean, they literally rebound the basketball. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they go up and you see both of them they

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<v Speaker 2>go up and catch it and you know, yank it

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<v Speaker 2>down back into their bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're so powerful at the catch point. And so

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<v Speaker 2>Joe you can tell, feels so comfortable, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>giving them much chance. And you know that's what he

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<v Speaker 2>did on the interception. He was like, I had tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>make this play and you know, Humphrey jumped it. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's the way it goes sometimes. But yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think I probably appreciate T Higgins a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>now even than I did, because when you saw, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Jamar coming back and then you saw Higgins not on

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<v Speaker 2>the field. It wasn't quite the same, right, And I

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<v Speaker 2>know Burrow had to get back in the flow of

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<v Speaker 2>things and everything that went with that, but it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>quite the same without Tea and to have that X

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<v Speaker 2>receiver that if you choose to overload to Jamar then okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but you've got a one on one monster on the

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<v Speaker 2>backside of that that's big and strong and physical, and

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<v Speaker 2>your five to ten cornerback is going to have to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to make the play. So the combination of

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<v Speaker 2>those two guys and the other guy that I've got

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<v Speaker 2>to throw into this a couple of them. Eric Hall

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<v Speaker 2>is a great blocker. He is a great blocker. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>he missed a couple in that game, but they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>all his fault. But I mean, that guy plays the

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<v Speaker 2>game hard. I'm a fan of Eric Hall. And Kasiki

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<v Speaker 2>makes a ton of big plays for this team. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just it's not always pretty. It doesn't always look like

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<v Speaker 2>he's the most athletic world beater in the but he

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<v Speaker 2>makes really he catches in the football game. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to it. It's been fun for me just

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<v Speaker 2>to get a chance to spend the whole week sort

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<v Speaker 2>of studying them because you know, I watched the games,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not the same as preparing for a game,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Joe Burrow told reporters this week he's still not

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<v Speaker 1>completely satisfied with the way that he's throwing the ball

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<v Speaker 1>coming back from risk surgery, specifically mentioned spin rate. He

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<v Speaker 1>leads the NFL in passer rating, leads in touchdown passes,

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<v Speaker 1>number two in completion percentage. When you hear him say that,

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<v Speaker 1>are you amused that it's not up to his own

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<v Speaker 1>high standards.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I wish I had such high standards for myself.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. If I just get through the opening on

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<v Speaker 2>camera on Sunday, usually I'm happy. I'm like, Okay, good

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<v Speaker 2>watch a football game now. But yeah, I think it

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<v Speaker 2>says a lot. And the fun part for me is

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<v Speaker 2>they're reflecting back on an era with Kenny Anderson and

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<v Speaker 2>I was a part of it. You know, in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it was eighty two, the strike shortened year when

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<v Speaker 2>he had the seventy whatever it was plus completion percentage,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that was the year we were playing

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<v Speaker 2>in Houston and he hit nineteen in a row or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, and none of us knew it. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, you know, Kenny Anderson completing passes was not,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some rare occurrence. So for Joe Burrow now

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<v Speaker 2>to be sort of in that class and help me

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<v Speaker 2>remember what Kenny Anderson was is all those sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>things is really fun. But that's a very high standard.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Kenny Anderson is arguably the most accurate throwover

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<v Speaker 2>the football that the league has ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>They signed Orlando Brown junior last year, they drafted a

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<v Speaker 1>Marius Mims this year. Is the offensive line the best

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<v Speaker 1>that Joe Burrow has had? And what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>of the way that they performed so far this year?

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're good. I do think they're good. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Volson's been playing a little bit better than what

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen in the past, and Harris and Kappa just

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<v Speaker 2>rock solid. Too bad about Trent Brown. That would have

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<v Speaker 2>been a nice cornerstone over there. But I thought Mems

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<v Speaker 2>played well and hopefully he's back from I think he

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<v Speaker 2>heard his ankle something like that. But Cody Ford played

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<v Speaker 2>all right. He was okay in that game. I kept

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<v Speaker 2>looking for I go, this is their third tackle. This

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a disaster. It was not, and

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<v Speaker 2>some of that goes because of Joe Burrow. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to do this, but the guy gets the

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<v Speaker 2>ball out of his hands and it is really the

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<v Speaker 2>responsibility of the quarterback to not take the sacks, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think Joe does that great. The only time he

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<v Speaker 2>takes sacks is tends to be when he knows he

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<v Speaker 2>may take a sack and it's third and twelve and

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<v Speaker 2>he's got to hold it a little bit longer. But

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<v Speaker 2>this game against the Giants, they really rely on their

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<v Speaker 2>past rushing skills and Dexter Lawrence is a beast inside

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<v Speaker 2>the They don't have Kvon Thibodeau sounds like this week

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<v Speaker 2>because of the surgery, but still Brian burns and still

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<v Speaker 2>lead the league. So maybe a little bit more out

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<v Speaker 2>of the secondary. But we really see Joe Burrow and

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<v Speaker 2>when he fases the defense like the Giants, which is

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<v Speaker 2>much more of a zone kind of back off. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we give you the five yard completion, that's that's dangerous space.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're playing against Jamar Chase, you know, you give

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<v Speaker 2>him a five yard completion, he is trotting in the

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<v Speaker 2>end zone somewhere. So I'll be interested to see how

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<v Speaker 2>they play it, you know, will they put Deontay Banks

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<v Speaker 2>on them, who's their best corner, and try to match

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<v Speaker 2>up in some way. But that sounds that sounds dangerous

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<v Speaker 2>to me too.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me follow up on Dexter Lawrence because these two

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<v Speaker 1>teams haven't played in four years, and back then he

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't emerged as the force that he is now. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a three hundred and forty pound nose tackle who had

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<v Speaker 1>three sacks last week. What the Bengals are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be dealing with in Dexter Lawrence on Sunday night.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they call him Sexy Dexi, or at least he

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<v Speaker 2>calls himself that. He's a character. He's fun, he's a

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<v Speaker 2>Pro Bowl player, and he makes your life hard because

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<v Speaker 2>think about what they have going for them now with

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<v Speaker 2>especially when they had Thibodeaux before he hurt his wrist.

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<v Speaker 2>But you got Thibodeau, you know, a high draft pick

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<v Speaker 2>on one side, Brian Burns a speedster on the other,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Sexy dex He's sitting there in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard because somebody is going to get that one

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<v Speaker 2>on one right, and it's whoever they choose to get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Most teams double team Lawrence, which then means you either

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<v Speaker 2>have to single up Burns or Thibodeaux or leave six

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<v Speaker 2>or seven in the block, so you're only getting a

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<v Speaker 2>handful of people out in the route. I tend to

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<v Speaker 2>think Joe will be the opposite of that. He'll want

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<v Speaker 2>all his guys out and let him get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>the ball quickly because he's really sort of masterful doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll see, you know, with Ojelari as he's Ojelari

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<v Speaker 2>taking the place of Thibodeau, that you know, maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>comes down a notch, maybe that's a little bit. But

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<v Speaker 2>Ojeli is a pretty good player too. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>second round pick as well. But like Pinnock, Jason Pinnock

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<v Speaker 2>out of the secondary has three sects, So they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be bringing a lot of pressure from a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different places against this team. But I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't be any more impressed than what we've seen out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Bengals offense. We just you know, now you

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<v Speaker 2>turn your attention to the defense and hope it can

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<v Speaker 2>live up to it a little.

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<v Speaker 1>We're visiting with Chris collins Worth and let's do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's turn to the Bengals defense in weeks one and two,

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<v Speaker 1>they gave up twenty nine points. They were performing pretty

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<v Speaker 1>well in those first couple of weeks, but they've really

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<v Speaker 1>struggled over the last three. What are the things that

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<v Speaker 1>you consider to be fixable.

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<v Speaker 2>They got stung in that game last week. They had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff they were trying to do against

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<v Speaker 2>Lamar Lamar and the Baltimore Ravens. Hey, let me start

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<v Speaker 2>with they put up forty one on a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people already. I mean, it's a great offense that may

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<v Speaker 2>be the best team in football if they ever get

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<v Speaker 2>their defense together, you know. But offensively, they're almost impossible

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<v Speaker 2>to stop with Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson and three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred pound full backs and the two tight ends that

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<v Speaker 2>they have, and Andrews and likely and it's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>a really, really good football team. So it's not insulting

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<v Speaker 2>that that happened to them. But I really thought when

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<v Speaker 2>Dax Hill got hurt and Mike Hilton missed the game already,

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<v Speaker 2>now you're trying to play exotic defenses where they would

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<v Speaker 2>play six guys on the line of scrimmage and five

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<v Speaker 2>guys in a line across the back line. You're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to mix and match. You're trying to play a cover

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<v Speaker 2>three zone defense with Geno Stone on the line of

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<v Speaker 2>scrimmage and renting back to play free safety in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the field. The one long play they gave

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<v Speaker 2>up von Bell basically was having to play cornerback on

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<v Speaker 2>the two tight end side, and it was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a route that a corner would have seen a

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<v Speaker 2>million times, a guy wheeling down the boundary and a

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<v Speaker 2>guy going up to Seaman Andrews, you know, and they

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<v Speaker 2>just hit the play. You know, that's a play that

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<v Speaker 2>if Dax Hill's out there, they're not even throwing that ball.

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<v Speaker 2>So and then you know, Jalen Davis came in the game,

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<v Speaker 2>and so now you're trying to run some of these

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<v Speaker 2>blitz packages. Josh Newton came in the game, some guys

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<v Speaker 2>that don't have a lot of experience with that first bunch,

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<v Speaker 2>and so there was this transition period in there about

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<v Speaker 2>the third quarter where it got a little tough, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they kind of pieced it back together a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit in the secondary. But yeah, if you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have that many new faces on the back end, you

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<v Speaker 2>better have your pass rush together. And we know without

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<v Speaker 2>Sheldon Rankins and without some of these guys that have

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<v Speaker 2>been in out of the lineup, it's been harder to

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<v Speaker 2>do that too. So hopefully some of these guys start

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<v Speaker 2>getting healthy. Hopefully Mike Hilton gets a chance to play

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<v Speaker 2>in this game as well. And they're they're putting a

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<v Speaker 2>lot on Cam Taylor Brett, and you know he had

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's he's an up and down guy. He

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<v Speaker 2>has really great plays and he has a few that

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<v Speaker 2>aren't so great, but he is He's the ace back there.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean athletically, you go, this should be the guy

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll see what DJ Turner can do.

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<v Speaker 1>The defense held a players only meeting this week. Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Hilton came out publicly and said, we are not upholding

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<v Speaker 1>our end of the bargain. How tough is it for

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<v Speaker 1>a team when one side of the ball is performing

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<v Speaker 1>really well and the other side isn't well.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been on either side of that equation. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>on the side where you you know, you're jogging off

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<v Speaker 2>the feet or jogging back onto the field. The defense

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<v Speaker 2>just gave up a touchdown and you're looking at him like,

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<v Speaker 2>are you guys ever going to stop him? And then

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<v Speaker 2>I've been on the side where the defense is jogging

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<v Speaker 2>off and looking at us like, are you guys ever

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<v Speaker 2>going to score a point? Or We're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>do everything ourselves. So if you're around the game long enough,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna see both ends of it. And right now

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<v Speaker 2>the defense is struggling some. But it's also you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they spent a lot of money on offense, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, let's face it, this is a team that

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<v Speaker 2>has really built around the two receivers and Joe Burrow,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know they go out in their first round

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<v Speaker 2>draft picks or you know, a lot of times offensive

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<v Speaker 2>guys and and offensive lineman trying to short up to

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<v Speaker 2>keep the franchise alive on the back end. So you

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<v Speaker 2>have and I think that's the right approach. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this game, you have to be able to put up

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<v Speaker 2>thirty on occasion. They do it on a fairly regular basis.

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<v Speaker 2>And lou Anroumo is a fantastic defensive coordinator. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the game plan he had last week was tremendous, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were doing a good job in the first half

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<v Speaker 2>of the game. I mean, you're gonna everybody's gonna give

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<v Speaker 2>up some place to the MVP, Lamar Jackson, Jerrick Henry.

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<v Speaker 2>It is just like sick. But yeah, I think he'll

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<v Speaker 2>have it back together. I'm really interested to see what

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<v Speaker 2>Lou does this week. Does he pair it back a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit because he's got some younger guys in there,

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<v Speaker 2>or now that he's got some of the defensive lineman

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<v Speaker 2>coming back, does he ramp it up with some other

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<v Speaker 2>exotic stuff. So, but he's the right guy, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a really good defensive coordinator. He just needs the

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<v Speaker 2>part right now.

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<v Speaker 1>She'll have the opportunity to visit with players and coaches

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<v Speaker 1>before the game on Sunday night. Anybody in particular that

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking forward to chatting with.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we already talked to Jamar. That was fun and

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<v Speaker 2>Hendricks and so that was fun too. So these guys,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to catch them anymore. We have to split

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<v Speaker 2>it up, take them when we can. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>go down and watch some practice today, so get a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to visit with a few more and some of

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<v Speaker 2>the coordinators. And yeah, but it's a long way from

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<v Speaker 2>over seventeen games is a long season, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>they go out there and they can get there, get

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<v Speaker 2>a win against the Giants in this one, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just continue to play offense the way that they are,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to beat most of the teams in the league.

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, there was only one team they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>going to beat with the performance they put on the

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<v Speaker 2>other day, and that was the team they played. Only

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<v Speaker 2>Baltimore had the ability to straight as quickly as they did,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of the plays Lamar made, I mean they

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<v Speaker 2>had him sacked three times, four times and key moments

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<v Speaker 2>and just couldnot get him on the ground. I ask,

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<v Speaker 2>what he does is really underrated in some way. It's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to say the MVPs underrated, but he's making some

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<v Speaker 2>plays and some escapes that we just don't see anybody

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<v Speaker 2>else in the league. Make.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris always great to visit with you. We know you

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<v Speaker 1>and Mike Trico have a great call on Sunday Night.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for your time and look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>seeing you on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, buddy, Good talk to you. Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>they no longer apply. In the Joe Burrow era, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals have won their last two Sunday Night games, beating

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<v Speaker 1>are currently fourth in the NFL in scoring, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you toss out Week one, where Joe Burrow was still

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<v Speaker 1>getting comfortable after being out of action since mid November

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<v Speaker 1>of last year, they've averaged thirty two and a half

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<v Speaker 1>points over their last four games. Unfortunately, over the same

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<v Speaker 1>four game stretch, the defense is giving up an average

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<v Speaker 1>of thirty two point three US. The defense with lap

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<v Speaker 1>this week, beginning with a back breaking play from Sunday's

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<v Speaker 1>overtime loss to Baltimore. Second in goal from the sixth

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<v Speaker 1>for Baltimore, Justice Hill back in at running back shotguns

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<v Speaker 1>down by Lamar.

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<v Speaker 4>He picks it up. He's in trouble. Babbs has him,

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<v Speaker 4>but he gets away. Lamar looking throwing into the end zone. Cough,

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<v Speaker 4>pil likely we're a touchdown. Wow, magic by Lamar Jackson

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<v Speaker 4>has He dropped the snap, eventually picked it up, got

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<v Speaker 4>away from Sam Hubbard, and floated it into the.

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<v Speaker 1>End zone for a six yard touchdown.

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<v Speaker 5>Unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is my hot take of the week, Dave Lapham.

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<v Speaker 1>Lamar Jackson is the most underrated player in the National

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<v Speaker 1>Football League, which sounds absurd to say. The guy has

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<v Speaker 1>been the MVP twice. Right, But when you see most

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<v Speaker 1>people's lists of the top quarterback in the NFL, they

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<v Speaker 1>are usually three names on top Mahomes, Burrow, Allen that

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<v Speaker 1>Mount Rushmore needs four heads because Lamar Jackson is so

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievably good. Yeah, he's not a classic passer, so what

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<v Speaker 1>He'll create ten seconds until somebody is wide open and

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<v Speaker 1>the ball might not look beautiful, but it gets there

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<v Speaker 1>for the freaking score.

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<v Speaker 5>It sure does. I mean that was as athletica play

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<v Speaker 5>as I've ever seen at the quarterback position. He's done

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<v Speaker 5>it before. He's probably if you put a highlight reel

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<v Speaker 5>together of Lamar Jackson not just against any I'm talking

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<v Speaker 5>about just against the Bengals, for God's sake. Seen this guy.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean he's like an apparition. He's there, then he's not,

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<v Speaker 5>then he's back. It's like, man, is he a ghoster?

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<v Speaker 5>Is he real? It is amazing to watch that guy.

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<v Speaker 5>He's one of one, you know. When I see and

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<v Speaker 5>like you say, his sewing arms plenty fine, it's not

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<v Speaker 5>like he's you know, throw the ball all over the place.

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<v Speaker 5>He can't hit the broadside of a barn. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>his accuracy isn't pinpoint. But man, he makes so many

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<v Speaker 5>huge plays. And for him to create the time in

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<v Speaker 5>and out of the pocket that he creates, I mean

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<v Speaker 5>he'll climb in evade people and by time and then

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<v Speaker 5>he gets out of pocket and it's like now he

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<v Speaker 5>has a run past, you know, two way go, and

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<v Speaker 5>he is just he is so deadly man. And the

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<v Speaker 5>thing that impresses me a lot about him is he

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<v Speaker 5>never seems to change his appearance, his countenance, his heart

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<v Speaker 5>rate doesn't seem I mean, it's just cool, calm and collected.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 5>He's out there like you know, yeah, I've done this before,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to do it again. Yeah, boom got you

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<v Speaker 5>down the football field we go. He is definitely athletically,

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<v Speaker 5>I think one of one to run straight line speed

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<v Speaker 5>is one thing, and he's got that. But with Sam,

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<v Speaker 5>when Sam was trying to sack him on that play,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, he ran latterly and almost like an our

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<v Speaker 5>forty five degree angle, like took three of the quickest

0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:10.199
<v Speaker 5>steps to separate himself space wise from Sam. That you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it made Sam's hit a lot less. It was more

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<v Speaker 5>of a glancing blow and instead of putting a big

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<v Speaker 5>smack on him, he just basically eluded it by just

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<v Speaker 5>that short space quickness. And that's the thing about him man,

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<v Speaker 5>Like we've talked about before. I mean, you're getting a

0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:28.679
<v Speaker 5>phone booth with him and you're playing tag it for

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<v Speaker 5>your life.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Kevin Harlan. Nobody on the in the world

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<v Speaker 1>loves Kevin Harlan more than I do. But Lamar didn't

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<v Speaker 1>rag doll Sam Hubbard on that play. That was his description,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a great word. But he eluded him. He backed,

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<v Speaker 1>he gave ground, yeah, to prevent Sam from putting a

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<v Speaker 1>good hit on him. It's just an incredible play. Nobody

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.760
<v Speaker 1>is going to suggest that the Bengals defense played well.

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<v Speaker 1>They gave up forty one points. They couldn't hold double

0:23:56.440 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 1>digit leads multiple times in the second half, but Lamar

0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Jackson had a lot to do with the Bengals problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Last Sunday, let's hear from defensive coordinator lou Anroumo.

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<v Speaker 6>He's a great, great, great football player. And you just

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<v Speaker 6>look at the one just the one play where he

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<v Speaker 6>drops the snap, fens off Sam Jermaine hit him as

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<v Speaker 6>you thought about throw and throws a touchdown pass. So like,

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<v Speaker 6>tell me else, who show me somebody else I can

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<v Speaker 6>do that. You know, he's just an amazing football player.

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<v Speaker 6>And uh, but you know that we had our opportunities

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<v Speaker 6>to you know, get around him and hit him and

0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:38.320
<v Speaker 6>and uh and you know, we just we just got

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 6>to do better.

0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:41.439
<v Speaker 1>They've got to face him again in five weeks, but

0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:44.360
<v Speaker 1>only one more time unless they meet again in the postseason.

0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 1>And if you're looking for reason for optimism, I think

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Paul Daanner Junior wrote a great story in The Athletic

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:53.439
<v Speaker 1>just talking about consider the teams that they're going to

0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.439
<v Speaker 1>be facing as opposed to one the ones they faced.

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:59.080
<v Speaker 1>They faced the best quarterback in the world in week two,

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the hot quarterback in the world Jayden Daniels. In Week three,

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Lamar Jackson. Last week, the guy's coming up. It's not

0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:11.440
<v Speaker 1>a murderer's row of great quarterback play. Daniel Jones has

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.200
<v Speaker 1>had his moments, good and bad. That's coming up this week.

0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Deshaun Watson has been a disaster at least so far

0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:19.920
<v Speaker 1>this year. A couple weeks after that, we don't know

0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 1>who the Raiders quarterback is going to be. By then

0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:27.440
<v Speaker 1>they're talking about Benching Gardner Minshew. So the Bengals defense

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:32.920
<v Speaker 1>might start looking considerably better just based on the offenses

0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 1>that they're going to be taking on.

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.480
<v Speaker 5>I agree with you. But then the flip side of

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 5>that is Joe Burrow's damn good and the Bengals are

0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:40.640
<v Speaker 5>one and four.

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Mm hm.

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 5>It's like, oh my god, how can you waste some

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 5>of these performances. I mean, you're wasting a great year.

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 5>At this stage that Joe Burrows is posting, it's like, man,

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 5>oh man, I mean seventy two percent of his passes

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:58.679
<v Speaker 5>are being completed. That's second right now in the NFL.

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 5>Twelve touchdown passes leads the league. His quarterback rating and

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:06.880
<v Speaker 5>one thirteen point eight leads the league. But the problem

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:11.640
<v Speaker 5>is as you look at quarterbacks against our defensive football

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 5>team to this stage, like you're talking about sixty seven

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 5>point seven percent, that's toward the bottom of the National

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:23.160
<v Speaker 5>Football League. Allowed ten touchdown passes and only three interceptions,

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 5>an opposing quarterback rating of one on one point four.

0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:32.359
<v Speaker 5>So I mean it's being negated, you know, by defensive

0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:37.399
<v Speaker 5>support that is not quite up to snuff to stand

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:40.200
<v Speaker 5>behind what Joe Burrow and that offense is doing because

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:44.200
<v Speaker 5>he is seeing it man and he is delivering. He's

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.639
<v Speaker 5>playing at such a high level. It's a crying shame

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 5>that this football team is one and four.

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Hopefully the improving health on the defensive line is going

0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 1>to start making a significant difference. It was better last week.

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:57.080
<v Speaker 1>They stopped the run at least until the final run

0:26:57.119 --> 0:27:00.399
<v Speaker 1>of the game by Derrick Henry. Sam Hubbard played better,

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 1>BJ Hill played well. He was back. They got Miles

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Murphy and McKinley Jackson back on the field. There's a

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 1>chance that they're gonna have Sheldon Rankins back this Sunday night,

0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 1>So that portion of the injury bug is getting much

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 1>much better and getting back to Sam Hubbard. Yeah, he

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>wasn't able to get Lamar Jackson down on that play,

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:22.200
<v Speaker 1>but he had the safety great play to tackle a

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Derreck Henry in the end zone. He had a sack

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 1>in the game, applied pressure on a few occasions, and

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:31.680
<v Speaker 1>he is feeling much better. Let's hear from Sam Hubbard.

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:35.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I felt great. You know, I had that training

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 3>camp injury that I had to I said it came

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:41.160
<v Speaker 3>back too early, but we had a lot of guy

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:43.920
<v Speaker 3>who goes go down and training camp camp sample went down,

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 3>Miles went down, and kind of didn't really have the

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.640
<v Speaker 3>luxury of waiting until I was fully healthy. First couple

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 3>of weeks started slow, just kind of grinding through a

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:56.919
<v Speaker 3>really bad hamstring. And I felt like myself this past

0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:00.919
<v Speaker 3>week and was nice to make some plays and you know,

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:03.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna continue to get better from here on board

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 3>and trying to do whatever you can to win. And

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 3>it was nice, you know, personally to just get some

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:10.360
<v Speaker 3>of that pressure off and make some plays.

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I's like a lot of you guys are winning up front.

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Did you feel like against any quarterback but Lamar there

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 1>might have been multiple sacks in that game.

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we were, you know, multiple times, we were all

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 3>over him, and he's just such an elusive athlete.

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:25.639
<v Speaker 7>You know.

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:31.400
<v Speaker 3>For sure sacks turned into massive plays somehow, and it's frustrating,

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.400
<v Speaker 3>but you know, we know that we just keep chopping wood,

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 3>doing the right thing, those plays will come. And yeah,

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 3>that's so the NFL.

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>With BJ back and Miles and McKinley active, there was

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>more of a rotation. How helpful is that for the

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 1>entire group going forward?

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 3>So helpful. Having those guys back is huge for us.

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 3>BJ played great, you know, having Miles back to give

0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:00.479
<v Speaker 3>just some more snaps across the board so we can

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 3>all be fresher. I think he played thirty five his

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 3>first game back off injury, which is a lot of plays,

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 3>and he'll continue to get more and keep getting better.

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 3>And McKinley was getting some action. You know, the great

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 3>d lines in this league, they just have eight to

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 3>nine guys that continuously roll and to be able to

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 3>play a long season. I know myself personally, I'm excited

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 3>to take some of those snaps off me so I

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:28.480
<v Speaker 3>can be my best. So you know, it's good to

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 3>have those guys back because we were thin for a

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 3>while there.

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 1>And good that Sam looked a lot better than he

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>had in the previous few weeks. It was an interesting

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 1>game plan for lou Anroumo, not one of the blitz

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>happy defensive coordinators in the NFL, but forty one blitzes,

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:49.480
<v Speaker 1>including run blitzes in that game. He's trying to generate

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>some pressure and some big plays up front.

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 5>He is, I mean, he blitzed over fifty percent of

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 5>the snaps. That is very unloo like. And you're right,

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 5>he blitzed or was aggressive downhill, bringing people to stop

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 5>the run as well as pressure Lamar. He decided, you know,

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.720
<v Speaker 5>instead of having three guys you know, in their rush

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 5>lanes and dropping eight, you know, I'm going to be

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 5>aggressive and not conservative in my posture. And it worked

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 5>for a good part of the football game up until

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 5>Henry broke that fifty one yard er. I mean, the

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 5>two running backs, running backs, the quarterback and running back

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 5>twenty six carries ninety six yards, right around three and

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 5>a half yards of pop. They were totally controlling you know,

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 5>that running game pretty well so and overall, you take

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 5>everybody that had to carry in that football game, thirty

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 5>three carries one hundred and twenty four yards. When you

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 5>take away that fifty one yard run. Now you can't.

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 5>I mean it leaked out. But right up until the

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 5>end of the football game in overtime, you know, they

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 5>were averaging under three and a half yard three point

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.600
<v Speaker 5>four plus per carry. So they did take away you know,

0:30:57.680 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 5>a good part. They said, Okay, we're going to try

0:30:59.920 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 5>to make you left handed, and Lamar's proven to be ambidexterrous,

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 5>you know, make him use either hand. He can still

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 5>kill you. I mean really, yeah, he's got a bunch.

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 5>It's uh, it really is incredible. But you look at this,

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 5>you look at this game coming up. Jones. Jones is mobile.

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 5>There's no questions is that he's not Lamar, but he

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 5>is mobile. So better you know, make sure that when

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 5>you are closed in on Daniel Jones you're finishing them

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 5>because he can. He can. He's elect athletic. He's very

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 5>up and down with his level of play. He played

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 5>well against Seattle. He had thirty eight yards rushing and

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 5>threw for two ninety seven. Not too bad. Really, that's

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 5>that's a you know, a nice little day's work right there.

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 5>But and you look at it very similar to what

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 5>they saw in Baltimore. You know, a mobile quarterback offensive

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 5>line that they've rea he done. They went out in

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 5>free agency, got three starters, and they want to run

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 5>the football. Support you know that that is a starting point. Offensively,

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 5>their Tracy their fifth round pick this year, rushaurund in

0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 5>twenty nine yards against Seattle, so he supported you know

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 5>what what Jones was doing. So it's it's like, Okay,

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 5>you played the Giants on steroids offensively and defensively. When

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 5>you played Baltimore last week and you hung in there,

0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 5>lost on a walkoff kicker. We'll lose it on a

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 5>walk off kick in overtime. It's on the road, granted,

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 5>you know it's it's it's never easy traveling New York

0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 5>fans can get loud and you know, rabid and all that,

0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 5>but got to beat this football team. Bottom line is,

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 5>it's almost like you had a dress rehearsal against offensive

0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 5>and defensive units that kind of do what the Giants

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 5>do to the to another level with better athletes. I mean, hell,

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 5>they had fourteen have fourteen Pro bowlers on that damn team.

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 5>It's crazy counting the two specialists or twelve and six

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 5>defensive Pro Bowlers and four offensive Come on, now, you're

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 5>not going to find that kind of a numbers. You

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.560
<v Speaker 5>look through the New York Giants roster up and down.

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 5>They've got good players. They don't have players like Baltimore

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 5>put on the football field.

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>The only Giants player picked for the Pro Bowl last

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 1>year was defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence, and the team doesn't

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 1>have a single player on offense who has ever been

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 1>to a Pro Bowl. For more on the Giants, we

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 1>turned to Dan Duggan, who covers the team for the

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Athletic He joined Lapp in Me this week on the

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Bengals Game Plan Show, and Dugan has high regard for

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the Giants coaching staff.

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 7>When you go back to twenty twenty two, I think

0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 7>the only reason the Giants won nine games then year

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 7>one a playoff game was the coaching advantage that head

0:33:56.800 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 7>almost you know, weekly where they did not have a

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 7>lot of talent on that team, and Brian Davile is

0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 7>kind of able to rub two six together and get

0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 7>that offense.

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 7>The thing is you look at the box score, I

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 7>think get twenty seventh of the league scoring. So you think

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 7>I'm crazy to say that they have some great schematic advantage,

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:15.279
<v Speaker 7>but I think that there's limited offensive talent. You know,

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.439
<v Speaker 7>obviously League Neighbors is a superior talent, but he didn't

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 7>play on Sunday. And then even Devin Singletoary, their number

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 7>one running back, he didn't play on Sunday. And you

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 7>know they put twenty nine points and even six of

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 7>those came on a block field goal. But you just

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 7>watch the way, week in and week out his plan

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:32.720
<v Speaker 7>to attack opposing defenses. I think he does a really

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 7>good job of coming up with a plan that is

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 7>going to accentuate what his guys can do well, but

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:40.919
<v Speaker 7>also pick apart what the other team's defense doesn't do well,

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 7>and really never really feed into what they do, you know,

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 7>into this straints. Now, again, that might sound basic, but

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 7>I've been around here long enough to see that that

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 7>does not always happen with Giants offenses. And you even

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 7>see the other teams knowing the Giants defensive weaknesses, like

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 7>why are they not running the ball, why they're not

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 7>throwing deep, whatever it may be, and it seems like

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 7>some coaches and some coordinator a little less FLEXI I

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 7>think that's one of Davie's strengths. And then he has

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:05.279
<v Speaker 7>to dump tail with the defense. You know, a new

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 7>coordinator comes in here, Shane Boone, who had been to

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 7>Tennessee drastically different style than Wake Martindal US the last

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 7>couple of years figured it who takes some time the

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 7>really young secondary, and that unit has been a pleasant

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:18.360
<v Speaker 7>surprize as well. I mean they lead the league in sacks,

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 7>which a little misleading because it's basically racked him up

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 7>against Seattle and Cleveland. Haven't done much the other three games,

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:26.960
<v Speaker 7>but definitely have shown something there. And yeah, I think

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 7>he's done a pretty good job because again they're very

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:31.320
<v Speaker 7>young in the secondary and it hasn't been as exploited

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:33.520
<v Speaker 7>nearly as much as I expected. Coming into the year.

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 5>The offensive line was was basically overhauled. How is it playing?

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 5>They went out and they signed some veteran free agents.

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 5>Have they made an impact? Oh enormous.

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:50.479
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean that's been an Achilles sale of this team.

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:52.360
<v Speaker 7>You know, basically since that last Super Bowl, they went

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 7>with eli as basically all downhill and tried every sort

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 7>of different combination, spending on free agents, using top ten

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 7>picks like really else. Thing has worked. So this year

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 7>this offseason that kind of went just like get some

0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 7>functional vets in here, and you know, that's like kind

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 7>of a give you a baseline level of competency, which

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 7>is a big step up from once they've had in

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 7>recent years. And that's what they've gone. I mean, like

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 7>Andrew Thomas is a Pro Bowl level left tackle, young

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:18.640
<v Speaker 7>guy in the fourth season now. But the other three

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 7>of the other four starters are you know, John Runyan

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 7>who was in his fifth year, Greg Van Rowden is

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.439
<v Speaker 7>like his twelfth year, Jermaine Iluminer is like his eighth year,

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 7>and then they have a second year center, John Michael Schmith.

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 7>But with Thomas being the one like guy who can

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 7>count on, the other four guys are just playing at

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 7>like a solid level and maybe even above saw that

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 7>might be selling a short pass protection and that's just

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 7>helped everything. Like Daniel Jones isn't you know, running for

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:43.040
<v Speaker 7>his life every time he hits the back of his drop.

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:45.680
<v Speaker 7>There's some big holes for the run games. He saw

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:48.799
<v Speaker 7>the Seattle game, like the rookie tyro Tracy. Everyone typing up,

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 7>you know this rookie running back and he did play well.

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:52.840
<v Speaker 7>You or I could hit some of those holes and

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 7>there was massive holes and he did a good job

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 7>getting through them and getting to the second level. But

0:36:57.520 --> 0:36:59.320
<v Speaker 7>I think the guys up front deserve a lot of credit,

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 7>especially when you consider how much of a disaster The

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:04.280
<v Speaker 7>Lion has been here for the better part of a decade,

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 7>so they've definitely made big strides just to have a nice, solid,

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 7>functional unit, and that's I think that's been one of

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 7>the biggest differences with this team so far.

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Dan Duggans our guest. He covers the Giants for the

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:17.880
<v Speaker 1>athletic Let's stick with offense. These two teams haven't played

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:22.239
<v Speaker 1>in four years. So we've all watched Daniel Jones on TV.

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:24.760
<v Speaker 1>We can read the stats, but you see him every week.

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:28.799
<v Speaker 1>What are his biggest flaws? Why is there so much

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 1>inconsistency with Daniel Jones.

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 7>No, you kind of stole my answer is gonna be

0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 7>it is just the inconsistency. Now get to the root

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 7>of that. I'll try and do that here for you.

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 7>But that's been the thing. I go back to that

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 7>twenty twenty two season where he showed them enough to

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:45.799
<v Speaker 7>give him the big second contract. But it's always just

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:49.240
<v Speaker 7>been like glimmers, he can't string three and four really

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 7>high level games together. Now that year he went to

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:53.279
<v Speaker 7>a high level, but he took care of the ball

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:56.240
<v Speaker 7>did just enough used his legs. He kind of scraped

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 7>and clawed that season. The last year was a disaster,

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 7>the old line, just ravage of injuries. He dealt with,

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 7>you know, two major injuries and neck and then the

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:05.839
<v Speaker 7>ACL the knocked out of the year. The coming back

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:08.320
<v Speaker 7>to this year, you know everyone's from sure saw hard knocks.

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:10.319
<v Speaker 7>It was such a do or die the way Joe

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:12.399
<v Speaker 7>Shane the GM laid it out, like we either find

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 7>out if he's the guy, or we're gonna have to pivot.

0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:15.839
<v Speaker 7>And I mean, let's be honest, they were already trying

0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 7>to pivot. They tried to trade up for Drake May

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 7>and obviously weren't successful. But I think the thing he's

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 7>done this year, if you throw out that Minnesota game,

0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 7>which you have to because that was ugly. The Week one,

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 7>you were like, oh boy, this is gonna get I mean,

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 7>we're there was legitimate talk if he was gonna get

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 7>benched if that kept up. That's how bad Week one was.

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.919
<v Speaker 7>But since then, the four games since then, he's played

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:37.800
<v Speaker 7>varying levels of solid, Like has not had any monster

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:40.319
<v Speaker 7>four or fifty yard five touchdown game, but he's not

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:42.800
<v Speaker 7>turning the ball over he's getting the ball out quick.

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 7>He started to use his legs more against Seattle, so

0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:47.040
<v Speaker 7>it kind of feels like the AHL maybe isn't some

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 7>stance affecting him anymore. But I think the thing he's

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 7>done really well and it goes handing him. With the

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 7>last question about the old line, he's kind of you know,

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 7>getting through his reads a little bit. That's always been

0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:58.919
<v Speaker 7>one of the biggest knocks on him is he'll lock

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 7>onto a guy and you know, obviously defenses catch catch

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 7>on that and they can you know, get into deceptions

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:05.840
<v Speaker 7>that way, or just kind of sport with the Giants

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.360
<v Speaker 7>trying to do Having a little more time in the pocket,

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 7>I think obviously that helps any quarterback, and it's helped him, right.

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:12.719
<v Speaker 7>I think he's a little more comfortable back there, and

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 7>he's making plays, you know, on a second read or

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, you know, getting out of pressure and still

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 7>throwing the ball down field. Stuff. He really hadn't done

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:22.440
<v Speaker 7>a lot throughout his career. So but yeah, to to

0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 7>bring it full circle, the consistency has been the thing

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 7>where it's like he's had a couple of good games.

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.440
<v Speaker 7>Now let's see on Sunday night. He has been terrible

0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 7>in prime time? Can he have a big time game?

0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:34.279
<v Speaker 7>And you know not the Bengals record is what it is,

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 7>but this is still a huge game for the Giants,

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:39.040
<v Speaker 7>and can he deliver and and that's the kind of

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:41.240
<v Speaker 7>the jury is still out on him having that level

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:42.239
<v Speaker 7>of play consistently.

0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 5>You talk about the offense and scheming it up and uh,

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:48.919
<v Speaker 5>you know, extentient in the strengths of the players and

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:51.880
<v Speaker 5>attacking defensive weakness on the other side of the football,

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:54.479
<v Speaker 5>it doesn't seem like looking at it, and I haven't

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.360
<v Speaker 5>looked at that much yet, but looking at it, it

0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:59.160
<v Speaker 5>doesn't seem to be that sophisticated. It seems to be

0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 5>a relatively simple scheme, predictable in a lot of ways.

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 5>But the talent of the players, I think, you know, uh,

0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 5>the way they execute so consistently, it makes it makes

0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:12.840
<v Speaker 5>it hard to block, you know, I mean, what what

0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:15.279
<v Speaker 5>do you think is is this? This defense? Isn't They're

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.839
<v Speaker 5>not always trying to trick you a fool you They

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 5>just play well, don't they?

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 7>Yeah? I mean, Shane Bone's ideal world is to just

0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 7>run rush the front four. You know, you have a

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:27.880
<v Speaker 7>well funky with the coverages and you do some disguises

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 7>with that, but yeah, he wants to just get the

0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:31.759
<v Speaker 7>pressure with four. That's why I even say that sack

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:34.000
<v Speaker 7>total is a little bit fluky, because they had nine

0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:37.200
<v Speaker 7>against Cleveland where Cleveland's OH line was absolutely decimated and

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 7>Shaun Watson is just you know, horrible, you know, pocket

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 7>awareness at the stage of his career, so they kind

0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:44.680
<v Speaker 7>of released the hounds and Bliss like crazy stuck. You

0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 7>never see him do as smart because I mean, obviously

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 7>it was effective and it parts in that game, but

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:50.439
<v Speaker 7>that's not what you're gonna see on Sunday. I would

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 7>certainly not expect to get the quarterback like Joe Borrowing

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.759
<v Speaker 7>against the receiver Cincinnati has so weekend and week out,

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 7>it's much more relying on that front four, and that's

0:40:57.920 --> 0:40:59.640
<v Speaker 7>from fourth took up a blow today with team on

0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 7>Timba so uh broke his wrist in Sunday's game against Seattle.

0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 7>He's gonna be out probably anywhere from four to six weeks,

0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 7>so obviously won't be playing on Sunday. So again, for

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 7>a unit to rely so much on the front four

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:13.840
<v Speaker 7>to generate pressure to lose a piece of that hurts

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:15.840
<v Speaker 7>and even at that it's really more of a front

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:18.440
<v Speaker 7>three because the second defensive tackle is you know, in

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.759
<v Speaker 7>passing situations, is an undrafted rookie name Elijah Chapman, who

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 7>it does have a couple of sacks this year, but

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 7>isn't a guy who down in, down out like a

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:29.160
<v Speaker 7>game wrecker. But if game wreckers, everything starts with Dexa Lawrence.

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:31.000
<v Speaker 7>I mean you might I think he's I think at

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:32.560
<v Speaker 7>this point that you know, maybe the record would keep

0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:34.400
<v Speaker 7>him out of it. The team's record. He should be

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:36.160
<v Speaker 7>the defensive player of the year as a nose tackle

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 7>that six sacks in five games, and that's with getting

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 7>double teams every play. Like he absolutely just disrupts games.

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 7>So if the other team's interior line can't, you're in

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 7>a double on no matter how good you are. But

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 7>if you can't at least do a passle doubling him,

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 7>he'll just ruin the game. And that's what he did

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 7>in Seattle, That's who did in Cleveland. Like the games

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:56.719
<v Speaker 7>they've won, it's basically he just caves everything in and

0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 7>offenses can't function. So that that's where everything you have

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 7>about game plans since day, game plan one hundred percent

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 7>starts with the hell, we're going to keep this guy

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:05.960
<v Speaker 7>out of Joe Barrow's lap all day because that's what

0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:07.759
<v Speaker 7>he does. And it's really remarkable to see a guy

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.320
<v Speaker 7>at his size, he's such a dominant factor as a

0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 7>pass rusher.

0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 5>In quick question, I mean they they have to double him, right,

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.319
<v Speaker 5>not four hands, four eyes. I mean that's kind of

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:21.360
<v Speaker 5>the mantra. And he's still kicking butt like that against doubles.

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean, listen, they do some things that. In

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:28.840
<v Speaker 7>the Dallas game, he was pretty quiet and they doubled

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.120
<v Speaker 7>into like literally historic rate, you know, according to Next

0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:34.239
<v Speaker 7>Gen Stats, And he bristled because PFF put out a

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 7>stat of like Cooper Beattie the freshman, the freshman the

0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 7>rookie center for Dallas, like didn't give him any pressures

0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:42.400
<v Speaker 7>and and dextually really doesn't sound off on social media.

0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 7>He like fired back basically saying they know what they

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:47.120
<v Speaker 7>were watching. He was whooping his butt all game. Maybe

0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 7>he got the bit mad for Seattle and he had

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 7>another extra gear, but no, yet every team is going

0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:54.879
<v Speaker 7>to double him. I think that that's one thing I'll

0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:57.759
<v Speaker 7>give Shane Bowing credit because you know there's ways around that.

0:42:57.840 --> 0:43:00.000
<v Speaker 7>It's not easy, but he did a good job against Satt.

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:02.719
<v Speaker 7>He does a lot of simulated pressures, so that might

0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 7>be walking Bobby Ocharacter in the middle linebacker up, head

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.439
<v Speaker 7>up over the center of the center has to least

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 7>to count for him. And now by the time of

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 7>Kak's dropping back and coverage and the center is going

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:13.560
<v Speaker 7>to help the right guard, the right guard's already been

0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 7>a turnstile because Decks blew buy him off the snap.

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 7>So stuff like that. You know, you probably can't double

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.880
<v Speaker 7>him every single play, but I'm sure the intention of

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:23.719
<v Speaker 7>every Alliant coach and coordinator is gonna be, we need

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:25.399
<v Speaker 7>to accompli this guy and if we can get four

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 7>hands on it. Lead you said, we need to do

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 7>that as much as possible. But you know there are

0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:31.839
<v Speaker 7>times where you get him one on one, and if

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:33.319
<v Speaker 7>you look back in one of the sacks he heads

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 7>in the Seattle game, he literally took a grown man

0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 7>and has three pump spaces walking right back into you know,

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 7>Smith's lap and sacked him. So it's a scary site

0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:43.879
<v Speaker 7>for any guard I assume when you go one on

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:44.399
<v Speaker 7>one with deck.

0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I bet PFF is based in Cincinnati and largely owned

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:50.239
<v Speaker 1>by Chris collins Worth, so Dexter will see him on

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Sunday if he wants to have a word with Chris

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.880
<v Speaker 1>about the uggrading system in that game. Here's my final

0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:59.400
<v Speaker 1>question for you, Dan, will Malik Neighbors play? Do you know?

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:03.840
<v Speaker 7>I don't know, But it's Wednesday. So he suffered the

0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 7>concussion on a Thursday night game, you know, two weeks.

0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:09.560
<v Speaker 7>We're coming up on the two week mark tomorrow, so

0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 7>obviously didn't play last week. He was on the field

0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:14.759
<v Speaker 7>today on the side, you know, in this helmet, doing

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 7>like agility stuff with trainers. So in my experience, that's

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:20.880
<v Speaker 7>the first step to really getting back on the playing

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:22.960
<v Speaker 7>where last week he didn't do anything. So I feel

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 7>like he's he's on track right now as long as

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 7>there's no stepbacks. And then tomorrow presumably he'd progress a

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 7>non contact participant in practice Friday. You'd hope that that

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:34.560
<v Speaker 7>goes well and he'd be a full participant, and then

0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:36.680
<v Speaker 7>you get cleared by the doctor after that, you know, again,

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 7>assuming there's no symptoms or anything in return. So I

0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 7>would say as a as a Wednesday night, which is

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 7>you know, it's hard for me to forecast how a

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 7>guy's brain has got to react. I think he'll play

0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:47.600
<v Speaker 7>just assuming he doesn't have any setbacks, which again that's

0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 7>an assumption I'm making because there's no way to know.

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 7>But yeah, I would think he's at least he's on

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:53.920
<v Speaker 7>the track, and again, assuming no setbacks, he should be

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:54.279
<v Speaker 7>good to go.

0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 5>Uh my final question, and appreciate all the knowledge and

0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:02.399
<v Speaker 5>all the time you've given us. The two inside linebackers,

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:04.279
<v Speaker 5>I mean they have a stud in front of them,

0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:07.439
<v Speaker 5>obviously in Lawrence. So it's when we talk about him

0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 5>beating double team, it's it's hard to get to these guys.

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:12.719
<v Speaker 5>And they can run. I mean they can flat out run.

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 5>They are both tackling machines, aren't they. I Mean they've

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:20.840
<v Speaker 5>combined for I mean so many big plays. The tackle

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:25.280
<v Speaker 5>total is ridiculous. And let's see the inside linebacker group

0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:32.720
<v Speaker 5>they've they've they've got sixty one total tackles and three

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 5>quarterback sacks out of that inside linebacker group. That's pretty

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:37.440
<v Speaker 5>darn good production.

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:40.720
<v Speaker 7>Yeah. No, I think to your point on the tackle,

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 7>that definitely helps to have, you know, a three hundred

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 7>and fifty pound guy just clogging up the middle and

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<v Speaker 7>they're getting you know, probably some more clean runs to

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<v Speaker 7>the backs. But yeah, both those guys, Bobby o'caake Mike

0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 7>McFadden are athletic guys and they'll get downhill. McFadden's actually

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<v Speaker 7>had I wouldn't they better. Yet No, Cake is like,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, he was a you know, kind of big

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<v Speaker 7>money agent signing last off last offseason, had a great

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:05.480
<v Speaker 7>first season. He's been fine. This should not nothing bad.

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<v Speaker 7>But the new scheme, I don't know if he still

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<v Speaker 7>kind of feel his way through it. Because the thing

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:10.759
<v Speaker 7>he did last year we haven't seen yet is maybe

0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:12.920
<v Speaker 7>a splash played like for a middle linebacker, like he

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<v Speaker 7>was getting his hand on balls, a getting accepted, he

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:17.719
<v Speaker 7>was picking himself, force fumbled all that. We haven't seen

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<v Speaker 7>that yet. But he's shown that that ability in the past.

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<v Speaker 7>And then McFadden, Yeah, he's the thing I say with McFadden,

0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:26.879
<v Speaker 7>he's always in the right spot. Now that might lead

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<v Speaker 7>to a TfL, that might lead to an ugly miss tackle.

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<v Speaker 7>Like he you know, he's still a little in consistent

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<v Speaker 7>and that's finishing the play, but he must he reads

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<v Speaker 7>it fast, gets to the spot and then again that

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:37.359
<v Speaker 7>it's just about matter of finishing. But yet, No, they're

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<v Speaker 7>they're two you know, pretty good players. Because this run

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<v Speaker 7>defense got the really rough start. Uh, Minnesota and Washington

0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:45.200
<v Speaker 7>kind of ran all over them, and they've tightened it

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<v Speaker 7>up since then.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm sure Cincinnati is going to be content to probably

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<v Speaker 7>air it out because I do still think the secondary

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:52.920
<v Speaker 7>is the is the rush mark on this defense. So

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<v Speaker 7>if I was them, I would take my chances with

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<v Speaker 7>the With the two guys that have outside there, I

0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 7>think that that's probably where the biggest mismatch would be.

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<v Speaker 7>But in terms of running the ball, I would think that,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, the middle linebackers for the Giants, you'll be

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<v Speaker 7>able to hold up pretty well.

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