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Speaker 1: our buddy, Chris Collinsworth. Chris, the way the Bengals offense

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Speaker 1: is performing, they are bound to start winning games aren't.

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Speaker 2: They You would think you would think. I mean it

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Speaker 2: has been spectacular to watch. I mean it really is.

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Speaker 2: And Joe coming off the injury and being able to

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Speaker 2: the ball out. Burrows just he's magical with the way

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Speaker 2: have to do it this week too, because the Giants

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Speaker 2: lead the league with twenty two sacks for comparative purposes,

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Speaker 2: the Bengals have six. Right, So I mean that's what

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Speaker 2: we're talking about, the kind of pressure of this team

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Speaker 2: I can generate. But I've got to go to Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 2: and you know, you just the first words out of

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase. The plays that that sucker made in that

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Speaker 2: game the other day unbelievable. I mean, I slowed down

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Speaker 2: that little wide receiver screen pass and I took four

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Speaker 2: and at best this is gaining five yards. And it

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Speaker 2: went for seventy yard touchdown. And I know Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: a seventy yard touchdown pass. And but it was it

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Speaker 2: And they're so powerful at the catch point. And so

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Speaker 1: Chris Joe Burrow told reporters this week he's still not

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Speaker 2: Well, I wish I had such high standards for myself.

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Speaker 1: They signed Orlando Brown junior last year, they drafted a

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Speaker 1: Marius Mims this year. Is the offensive line the best

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Speaker 2: some of that goes because of Joe Burrow. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think Joe does that great. The only time he

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Speaker 2: this game against the Giants, they really rely on their

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Speaker 2: when he fases the defense like the Giants, which is

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Speaker 2: much more of a zone kind of back off. You know,

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Speaker 2: we give you the five yard completion, that's that's dangerous space.

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Speaker 2: When you're playing against Jamar Chase, you know, you give

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Speaker 2: him a five yard completion, he is trotting in the

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Speaker 2: they play it, you know, will they put Deontay Banks

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Speaker 2: up in some way. But that sounds that sounds dangerous

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Speaker 1: Let me follow up on Dexter Lawrence because these two

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Speaker 1: hadn't emerged as the force that he is now. He's

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Speaker 2: Well, they call him Sexy Dexi, or at least he

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Speaker 2: calls himself that. He's a character. He's fun, he's a

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Speaker 2: think about what they have going for them now with

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Speaker 2: especially when they had Thibodeaux before he hurt his wrist.

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Speaker 2: But you got Thibodeau, you know, a high draft pick

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Speaker 2: It's hard because somebody is going to get that one

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Speaker 2: Most teams double team Lawrence, which then means you either

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Speaker 1: Let's turn to the Bengals defense in weeks one and two,

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Speaker 1: Chris always great to visit with you. We know you

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Speaker 1: and Mike Trico have a great call on Sunday Night.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time and look forward to

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Speaker 2: All right, buddy, Good talk to you. Dan.

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Speaker 1: Historically, the Bengals have not fared well since NBC started

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Speaker 1: this week, beginning with a back breaking play from Sunday's

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is the most underrated player in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League, which sounds absurd to say. The guy has

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Speaker 5: It sure does. I mean that was as athletica play

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Speaker 5: that short space quickness. And that's the thing about him man,

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Speaker 5: Like we've talked about before. I mean, you're getting a

433
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Speaker 5: phone booth with him and you're playing tag it for

434
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Speaker 5: your life.

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Speaker 1: I love Kevin Harlan. Nobody on the in the world

436
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Speaker 1: loves Kevin Harlan more than I do. But Lamar didn't

437
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Speaker 1: rag doll Sam Hubbard on that play. That was his description,

438
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Speaker 1: and it's a great word. But he eluded him. He backed,

439
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Speaker 1: he gave ground, yeah, to prevent Sam from putting a

440
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Speaker 1: good hit on him. It's just an incredible play. Nobody

441
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Speaker 1: is going to suggest that the Bengals defense played well.

442
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Speaker 1: They gave up forty one points. They couldn't hold double

443
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Speaker 1: digit leads multiple times in the second half, but Lamar

444
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Speaker 1: Jackson had a lot to do with the Bengals problems.

445
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Speaker 1: Last Sunday, let's hear from defensive coordinator lou Anroumo.

446
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Speaker 6: He's a great, great, great football player. And you just

447
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 6: look at the one just the one play where he

448
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 6: drops the snap, fens off Sam Jermaine hit him as

449
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 6: you thought about throw and throws a touchdown pass. So like,

450
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Speaker 6: tell me else, who show me somebody else I can

451
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Speaker 6: do that. You know, he's just an amazing football player.

452
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Speaker 6: And uh, but you know that we had our opportunities

453
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Speaker 6: to you know, get around him and hit him and

454
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Speaker 6: and uh and you know, we just we just got

455
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Speaker 6: to do better.

456
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Speaker 1: They've got to face him again in five weeks, but

457
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Speaker 1: only one more time unless they meet again in the postseason.

458
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Speaker 1: And if you're looking for reason for optimism, I think

459
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Speaker 1: Paul Daanner Junior wrote a great story in The Athletic

460
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Speaker 1: just talking about consider the teams that they're going to

461
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Speaker 1: be facing as opposed to one the ones they faced.

462
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Speaker 1: They faced the best quarterback in the world in week two,

463
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Speaker 1: the hot quarterback in the world Jayden Daniels. In Week three,

464
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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Last week, the guy's coming up. It's not

465
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Speaker 1: a murderer's row of great quarterback play. Daniel Jones has

466
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Speaker 1: had his moments, good and bad. That's coming up this week.

467
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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson has been a disaster at least so far

468
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Speaker 1: this year. A couple weeks after that, we don't know

469
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Speaker 1: who the Raiders quarterback is going to be. By then

470
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Speaker 1: they're talking about Benching Gardner Minshew. So the Bengals defense

471
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Speaker 1: might start looking considerably better just based on the offenses

472
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Speaker 1: that they're going to be taking on.

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Speaker 5: I agree with you. But then the flip side of

474
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Speaker 5: that is Joe Burrow's damn good and the Bengals are

475
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Speaker 5: one and four.

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Speaker 1: Mm hm.

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Speaker 5: It's like, oh my god, how can you waste some

478
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Speaker 5: of these performances. I mean, you're wasting a great year.

479
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Speaker 5: At this stage that Joe Burrows is posting, it's like, man,

480
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Speaker 5: oh man, I mean seventy two percent of his passes

481
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Speaker 5: are being completed. That's second right now in the NFL.

482
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Speaker 5: Twelve touchdown passes leads the league. His quarterback rating and

483
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Speaker 5: one thirteen point eight leads the league. But the problem

484
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Speaker 5: is as you look at quarterbacks against our defensive football

485
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 5: team to this stage, like you're talking about sixty seven

486
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Speaker 5: point seven percent, that's toward the bottom of the National

487
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 5: Football League. Allowed ten touchdown passes and only three interceptions,

488
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Speaker 5: an opposing quarterback rating of one on one point four.

489
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Speaker 5: So I mean it's being negated, you know, by defensive

490
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Speaker 5: support that is not quite up to snuff to stand

491
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Speaker 5: behind what Joe Burrow and that offense is doing because

492
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Speaker 5: he is seeing it man and he is delivering. He's

493
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Speaker 5: playing at such a high level. It's a crying shame

494
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Speaker 5: that this football team is one and four.

495
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Speaker 1: Hopefully the improving health on the defensive line is going

496
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Speaker 1: to start making a significant difference. It was better last week.

497
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Speaker 1: They stopped the run at least until the final run

498
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Speaker 1: of the game by Derrick Henry. Sam Hubbard played better,

499
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Speaker 1: BJ Hill played well. He was back. They got Miles

500
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Speaker 1: Murphy and McKinley Jackson back on the field. There's a

501
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Speaker 1: chance that they're gonna have Sheldon Rankins back this Sunday night,

502
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Speaker 1: So that portion of the injury bug is getting much

503
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Speaker 1: much better and getting back to Sam Hubbard. Yeah, he

504
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: wasn't able to get Lamar Jackson down on that play,

505
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Speaker 1: but he had the safety great play to tackle a

506
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Speaker 1: Derreck Henry in the end zone. He had a sack

507
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Speaker 1: in the game, applied pressure on a few occasions, and

508
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Speaker 1: he is feeling much better. Let's hear from Sam Hubbard.

509
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt great. You know, I had that training

510
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Speaker 3: camp injury that I had to I said it came

511
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: back too early, but we had a lot of guy

512
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Speaker 3: who goes go down and training camp camp sample went down,

513
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: Miles went down, and kind of didn't really have the

514
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Speaker 3: luxury of waiting until I was fully healthy. First couple

515
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: of weeks started slow, just kind of grinding through a

516
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 3: really bad hamstring. And I felt like myself this past

517
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Speaker 3: week and was nice to make some plays and you know,

518
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna continue to get better from here on board

519
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: and trying to do whatever you can to win. And

520
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: it was nice, you know, personally to just get some

521
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Speaker 3: of that pressure off and make some plays.

522
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Speaker 1: I's like a lot of you guys are winning up front.

523
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Speaker 1: Did you feel like against any quarterback but Lamar there

524
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Speaker 1: might have been multiple sacks in that game.

525
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were, you know, multiple times, we were all

526
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Speaker 3: over him, and he's just such an elusive athlete.

527
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Speaker 7: You know.

528
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Speaker 3: For sure sacks turned into massive plays somehow, and it's frustrating,

529
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Speaker 3: but you know, we know that we just keep chopping wood,

530
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: doing the right thing, those plays will come. And yeah,

531
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Speaker 3: that's so the NFL.

532
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Speaker 1: With BJ back and Miles and McKinley active, there was

533
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Speaker 1: more of a rotation. How helpful is that for the

534
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Speaker 1: entire group going forward?

535
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Speaker 3: So helpful. Having those guys back is huge for us.

536
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: BJ played great, you know, having Miles back to give

537
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 3: just some more snaps across the board so we can

538
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: all be fresher. I think he played thirty five his

539
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: first game back off injury, which is a lot of plays,

540
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Speaker 3: and he'll continue to get more and keep getting better.

541
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Speaker 3: And McKinley was getting some action. You know, the great

542
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Speaker 3: d lines in this league, they just have eight to

543
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: nine guys that continuously roll and to be able to

544
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: play a long season. I know myself personally, I'm excited

545
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Speaker 3: to take some of those snaps off me so I

546
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Speaker 3: can be my best. So you know, it's good to

547
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: have those guys back because we were thin for a

548
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Speaker 3: while there.

549
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Speaker 1: And good that Sam looked a lot better than he

550
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Speaker 1: had in the previous few weeks. It was an interesting

551
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: game plan for lou Anroumo, not one of the blitz

552
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: happy defensive coordinators in the NFL, but forty one blitzes,

553
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: including run blitzes in that game. He's trying to generate

554
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Speaker 1: some pressure and some big plays up front.

555
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Speaker 5: He is, I mean, he blitzed over fifty percent of

556
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 5: the snaps. That is very unloo like. And you're right,

557
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 5: he blitzed or was aggressive downhill, bringing people to stop

558
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 5: the run as well as pressure Lamar. He decided, you know,

559
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 5: instead of having three guys you know, in their rush

560
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 5: lanes and dropping eight, you know, I'm going to be

561
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Speaker 5: aggressive and not conservative in my posture. And it worked

562
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Speaker 5: for a good part of the football game up until

563
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Speaker 5: Henry broke that fifty one yard er. I mean, the

564
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Speaker 5: two running backs, running backs, the quarterback and running back

565
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Speaker 5: twenty six carries ninety six yards, right around three and

566
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Speaker 5: a half yards of pop. They were totally controlling you know,

567
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 5: that running game pretty well so and overall, you take

568
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 5: everybody that had to carry in that football game, thirty

569
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Speaker 5: three carries one hundred and twenty four yards. When you

570
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Speaker 5: take away that fifty one yard run. Now you can't.

571
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Speaker 5: I mean it leaked out. But right up until the

572
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Speaker 5: end of the football game in overtime, you know, they

573
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Speaker 5: were averaging under three and a half yard three point

574
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Speaker 5: four plus per carry. So they did take away you know,

575
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Speaker 5: a good part. They said, Okay, we're going to try

576
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 5: to make you left handed, and Lamar's proven to be ambidexterrous,

577
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 5: you know, make him use either hand. He can still

578
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Speaker 5: kill you. I mean really, yeah, he's got a bunch.

579
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Speaker 5: It's uh, it really is incredible. But you look at this,

580
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 5: you look at this game coming up. Jones. Jones is mobile.

581
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Speaker 5: There's no questions is that he's not Lamar, but he

582
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 5: is mobile. So better you know, make sure that when

583
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Speaker 5: you are closed in on Daniel Jones you're finishing them

584
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 5: because he can. He can. He's elect athletic. He's very

585
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 5: up and down with his level of play. He played

586
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 5: well against Seattle. He had thirty eight yards rushing and

587
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 5: threw for two ninety seven. Not too bad. Really, that's

588
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 5: that's a you know, a nice little day's work right there.

589
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 5: But and you look at it very similar to what

590
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Speaker 5: they saw in Baltimore. You know, a mobile quarterback offensive

591
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Speaker 5: line that they've rea he done. They went out in

592
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 5: free agency, got three starters, and they want to run

593
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 5: the football. Support you know that that is a starting point. Offensively,

594
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 5: their Tracy their fifth round pick this year, rushaurund in

595
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Speaker 5: twenty nine yards against Seattle, so he supported you know

596
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 5: what what Jones was doing. So it's it's like, Okay,

597
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 5: you played the Giants on steroids offensively and defensively. When

598
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 5: you played Baltimore last week and you hung in there,

599
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Speaker 5: lost on a walkoff kicker. We'll lose it on a

600
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 5: walk off kick in overtime. It's on the road, granted,

601
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Speaker 5: you know it's it's it's never easy traveling New York

602
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 5: fans can get loud and you know, rabid and all that,

603
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 5: but got to beat this football team. Bottom line is,

604
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 5: it's almost like you had a dress rehearsal against offensive

605
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 5: and defensive units that kind of do what the Giants

606
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 5: do to the to another level with better athletes. I mean, hell,

607
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 5: they had fourteen have fourteen Pro bowlers on that damn team.

608
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 5: It's crazy counting the two specialists or twelve and six

609
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 5: defensive Pro Bowlers and four offensive Come on, now, you're

610
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 5: not going to find that kind of a numbers. You

611
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Speaker 5: look through the New York Giants roster up and down.

612
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 5: They've got good players. They don't have players like Baltimore

613
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Speaker 5: put on the football field.

614
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Speaker 1: The only Giants player picked for the Pro Bowl last

615
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Speaker 1: year was defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence, and the team doesn't

616
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Speaker 1: have a single player on offense who has ever been

617
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Speaker 1: to a Pro Bowl. For more on the Giants, we

618
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Speaker 1: turned to Dan Duggan, who covers the team for the

619
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Speaker 1: Athletic He joined Lapp in Me this week on the

620
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Speaker 1: Bengals Game Plan Show, and Dugan has high regard for

621
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Speaker 1: the Giants coaching staff.

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Speaker 7: When you go back to twenty twenty two, I think

623
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Speaker 7: the only reason the Giants won nine games then year

624
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Speaker 7: one a playoff game was the coaching advantage that head

625
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Speaker 7: almost you know, weekly where they did not have a

626
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Speaker 7: lot of talent on that team, and Brian Davile is

627
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 7: kind of able to rub two six together and get

628
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Speaker 7: that offense.

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Speaker 1: You know.

630
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Speaker 7: The thing is you look at the box score, I

631
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Speaker 7: think get twenty seventh of the league scoring. So you think

632
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Speaker 7: I'm crazy to say that they have some great schematic advantage,

633
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 7: but I think that there's limited offensive talent. You know,

634
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 7: obviously League Neighbors is a superior talent, but he didn't

635
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 7: play on Sunday. And then even Devin Singletoary, their number

636
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Speaker 7: one running back, he didn't play on Sunday. And you

637
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 7: know they put twenty nine points and even six of

638
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 7: those came on a block field goal. But you just

639
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 7: watch the way, week in and week out his plan

640
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 7: to attack opposing defenses. I think he does a really

641
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 7: good job of coming up with a plan that is

642
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 7: going to accentuate what his guys can do well, but

643
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 7: also pick apart what the other team's defense doesn't do well,

644
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 7: and really never really feed into what they do, you know,

645
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Speaker 7: into this straints. Now, again, that might sound basic, but

646
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Speaker 7: I've been around here long enough to see that that

647
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Speaker 7: does not always happen with Giants offenses. And you even

648
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 7: see the other teams knowing the Giants defensive weaknesses, like

649
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 7: why are they not running the ball, why they're not

650
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 7: throwing deep, whatever it may be, and it seems like

651
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 7: some coaches and some coordinator a little less FLEXI I

652
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 7: think that's one of Davie's strengths. And then he has

653
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 7: to dump tail with the defense. You know, a new

654
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 7: coordinator comes in here, Shane Boone, who had been to

655
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 7: Tennessee drastically different style than Wake Martindal US the last

656
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 7: couple of years figured it who takes some time the

657
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 7: really young secondary, and that unit has been a pleasant

658
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 7: surprize as well. I mean they lead the league in sacks,

659
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 7: which a little misleading because it's basically racked him up

660
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 7: against Seattle and Cleveland. Haven't done much the other three games,

661
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 7: but definitely have shown something there. And yeah, I think

662
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 7: he's done a pretty good job because again they're very

663
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 7: young in the secondary and it hasn't been as exploited

664
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 7: nearly as much as I expected. Coming into the year.

665
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 5: The offensive line was was basically overhauled. How is it playing?

666
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 5: They went out and they signed some veteran free agents.

667
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 5: Have they made an impact? Oh enormous.

668
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that's been an Achilles sale of this team.

669
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 7: You know, basically since that last Super Bowl, they went

670
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 7: with eli as basically all downhill and tried every sort

671
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 7: of different combination, spending on free agents, using top ten

672
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 7: picks like really else. Thing has worked. So this year

673
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 7: this offseason that kind of went just like get some

674
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 7: functional vets in here, and you know, that's like kind

675
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 7: of a give you a baseline level of competency, which

676
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 7: is a big step up from once they've had in

677
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 7: recent years. And that's what they've gone. I mean, like

678
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 7: Andrew Thomas is a Pro Bowl level left tackle, young

679
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 7: guy in the fourth season now. But the other three

680
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 7: of the other four starters are you know, John Runyan

681
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 7: who was in his fifth year, Greg Van Rowden is

682
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 7: like his twelfth year, Jermaine Iluminer is like his eighth year,

683
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 7: and then they have a second year center, John Michael Schmith.

684
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 7: But with Thomas being the one like guy who can

685
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 7: count on, the other four guys are just playing at

686
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 7: like a solid level and maybe even above saw that

687
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 7: might be selling a short pass protection and that's just

688
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 7: helped everything. Like Daniel Jones isn't you know, running for

689
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 7: his life every time he hits the back of his drop.

690
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 7: There's some big holes for the run games. He saw

691
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 7: the Seattle game, like the rookie tyro Tracy. Everyone typing up,

692
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 7: you know this rookie running back and he did play well.

693
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 7: You or I could hit some of those holes and

694
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 7: there was massive holes and he did a good job

695
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 7: getting through them and getting to the second level. But

696
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 7: I think the guys up front deserve a lot of credit,

697
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 7: especially when you consider how much of a disaster The

698
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 7: Lion has been here for the better part of a decade,

699
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 7: so they've definitely made big strides just to have a nice, solid,

700
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 7: functional unit, and that's I think that's been one of

701
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 7: the biggest differences with this team so far.

702
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: Dan Duggans our guest. He covers the Giants for the

703
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: athletic Let's stick with offense. These two teams haven't played

704
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: in four years. So we've all watched Daniel Jones on TV.

705
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: We can read the stats, but you see him every week.

706
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: What are his biggest flaws? Why is there so much

707
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: inconsistency with Daniel Jones.

708
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 7: No, you kind of stole my answer is gonna be

709
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 7: it is just the inconsistency. Now get to the root

710
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 7: of that. I'll try and do that here for you.

711
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 7: But that's been the thing. I go back to that

712
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 7: twenty twenty two season where he showed them enough to

713
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 7: give him the big second contract. But it's always just

714
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 7: been like glimmers, he can't string three and four really

715
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 7: high level games together. Now that year he went to

716
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 7: a high level, but he took care of the ball

717
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 7: did just enough used his legs. He kind of scraped

718
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 7: and clawed that season. The last year was a disaster,

719
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 7: the old line, just ravage of injuries. He dealt with,

720
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 7: you know, two major injuries and neck and then the

721
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 7: ACL the knocked out of the year. The coming back

722
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 7: to this year, you know everyone's from sure saw hard knocks.

723
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 7: It was such a do or die the way Joe

724
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 7: Shane the GM laid it out, like we either find

725
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 7: out if he's the guy, or we're gonna have to pivot.

726
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 7: And I mean, let's be honest, they were already trying

727
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 7: to pivot. They tried to trade up for Drake May

728
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 7: and obviously weren't successful. But I think the thing he's

729
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 7: done this year, if you throw out that Minnesota game,

730
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 7: which you have to because that was ugly. The Week one,

731
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 7: you were like, oh boy, this is gonna get I mean,

732
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 7: we're there was legitimate talk if he was gonna get

733
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 7: benched if that kept up. That's how bad Week one was.

734
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 7: But since then, the four games since then, he's played

735
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 7: varying levels of solid, Like has not had any monster

736
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 7: four or fifty yard five touchdown game, but he's not

737
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 7: turning the ball over he's getting the ball out quick.

738
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 7: He started to use his legs more against Seattle, so

739
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 7: it kind of feels like the AHL maybe isn't some

740
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 7: stance affecting him anymore. But I think the thing he's

741
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 7: done really well and it goes handing him. With the

742
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 7: last question about the old line, he's kind of you know,

743
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 7: getting through his reads a little bit. That's always been

744
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 7: one of the biggest knocks on him is he'll lock

745
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 7: onto a guy and you know, obviously defenses catch catch

746
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 7: on that and they can you know, get into deceptions

747
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 7: that way, or just kind of sport with the Giants

748
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 7: trying to do Having a little more time in the pocket,

749
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 7: I think obviously that helps any quarterback, and it's helped him, right.

750
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 7: I think he's a little more comfortable back there, and

751
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 7: he's making plays, you know, on a second read or

752
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 7: you know, you know, getting out of pressure and still

753
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 7: throwing the ball down field. Stuff. He really hadn't done

754
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 7: a lot throughout his career. So but yeah, to to

755
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 7: bring it full circle, the consistency has been the thing

756
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 7: where it's like he's had a couple of good games.

757
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 7: Now let's see on Sunday night. He has been terrible

758
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 7: in prime time? Can he have a big time game?

759
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: You know?

760
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 7: And you know not the Bengals record is what it is,

761
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 7: but this is still a huge game for the Giants,

762
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 7: and can he deliver and and that's the kind of

763
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 7: the jury is still out on him having that level

764
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 7: of play consistently.

765
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 5: You talk about the offense and scheming it up and uh,

766
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 5: you know, extentient in the strengths of the players and

767
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 5: attacking defensive weakness on the other side of the football,

768
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 5: it doesn't seem like looking at it, and I haven't

769
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 5: looked at that much yet, but looking at it, it

770
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 5: doesn't seem to be that sophisticated. It seems to be

771
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 5: a relatively simple scheme, predictable in a lot of ways.

772
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 5: But the talent of the players, I think, you know, uh,

773
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 5: the way they execute so consistently, it makes it makes

774
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 5: it hard to block, you know, I mean, what what

775
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 5: do you think is is this? This defense? Isn't They're

776
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 5: not always trying to trick you a fool you They

777
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 5: just play well, don't they?

778
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: Right?

779
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 7: Yeah? I mean, Shane Bone's ideal world is to just

780
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 7: run rush the front four. You know, you have a

781
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 7: well funky with the coverages and you do some disguises

782
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 7: with that, but yeah, he wants to just get the

783
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 7: pressure with four. That's why I even say that sack

784
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 7: total is a little bit fluky, because they had nine

785
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 7: against Cleveland where Cleveland's OH line was absolutely decimated and

786
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 7: Shaun Watson is just you know, horrible, you know, pocket

787
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 7: awareness at the stage of his career, so they kind

788
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 7: of released the hounds and Bliss like crazy stuck. You

789
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 7: never see him do as smart because I mean, obviously

790
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 7: it was effective and it parts in that game, but

791
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 7: that's not what you're gonna see on Sunday. I would

792
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 7: certainly not expect to get the quarterback like Joe Borrowing

793
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 7: against the receiver Cincinnati has so weekend and week out,

794
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 7: it's much more relying on that front four, and that's

795
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 7: from fourth took up a blow today with team on

796
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 7: Timba so uh broke his wrist in Sunday's game against Seattle.

797
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 7: He's gonna be out probably anywhere from four to six weeks,

798
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 7: so obviously won't be playing on Sunday. So again, for

799
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 7: a unit to rely so much on the front four

800
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 7: to generate pressure to lose a piece of that hurts

801
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 7: and even at that it's really more of a front

802
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 7: three because the second defensive tackle is you know, in

803
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 7: passing situations, is an undrafted rookie name Elijah Chapman, who

804
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 7: it does have a couple of sacks this year, but

805
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 7: isn't a guy who down in, down out like a

806
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 7: game wrecker. But if game wreckers, everything starts with Dexa Lawrence.

807
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 7: I mean you might I think he's I think at

808
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 7: this point that you know, maybe the record would keep

809
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 7: him out of it. The team's record. He should be

810
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 7: the defensive player of the year as a nose tackle

811
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 7: that six sacks in five games, and that's with getting

812
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 7: double teams every play. Like he absolutely just disrupts games.

813
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 7: So if the other team's interior line can't, you're in

814
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 7: a double on no matter how good you are. But

815
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 7: if you can't at least do a passle doubling him,

816
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 7: he'll just ruin the game. And that's what he did

817
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 7: in Seattle, That's who did in Cleveland. Like the games

818
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 7: they've won, it's basically he just caves everything in and

819
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 7: offenses can't function. So that that's where everything you have

820
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 7: about game plans since day, game plan one hundred percent

821
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 7: starts with the hell, we're going to keep this guy

822
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 7: out of Joe Barrow's lap all day because that's what

823
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 7: he does. And it's really remarkable to see a guy

824
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 7: at his size, he's such a dominant factor as a

825
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 7: pass rusher.

826
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 5: In quick question, I mean they they have to double him, right,

827
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 5: not four hands, four eyes. I mean that's kind of

828
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 5: the mantra. And he's still kicking butt like that against doubles.

829
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, listen, they do some things that. In

830
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 7: the Dallas game, he was pretty quiet and they doubled

831
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 7: into like literally historic rate, you know, according to Next

832
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 7: Gen Stats, And he bristled because PFF put out a

833
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 7: stat of like Cooper Beattie the freshman, the freshman the

834
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 7: rookie center for Dallas, like didn't give him any pressures

835
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 7: and and dextually really doesn't sound off on social media.

836
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 7: He like fired back basically saying they know what they

837
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 7: were watching. He was whooping his butt all game. Maybe

838
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 7: he got the bit mad for Seattle and he had

839
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 7: another extra gear, but no, yet every team is going

840
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 7: to double him. I think that that's one thing I'll

841
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 7: give Shane Bowing credit because you know there's ways around that.

842
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 7: It's not easy, but he did a good job against Satt.

843
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 7: He does a lot of simulated pressures, so that might

844
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 7: be walking Bobby Ocharacter in the middle linebacker up, head

845
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 7: up over the center of the center has to least

846
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 7: to count for him. And now by the time of

847
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 7: Kak's dropping back and coverage and the center is going

848
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 7: to help the right guard, the right guard's already been

849
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 7: a turnstile because Decks blew buy him off the snap.

850
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 7: So stuff like that. You know, you probably can't double

851
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 7: him every single play, but I'm sure the intention of

852
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 7: every Alliant coach and coordinator is gonna be, we need

853
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 7: to accompli this guy and if we can get four

854
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 7: hands on it. Lead you said, we need to do

855
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 7: that as much as possible. But you know there are

856
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 7: times where you get him one on one, and if

857
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 7: you look back in one of the sacks he heads

858
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 7: in the Seattle game, he literally took a grown man

859
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 7: and has three pump spaces walking right back into you know,

860
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 7: Smith's lap and sacked him. So it's a scary site

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Speaker 7: for any guard I assume when you go one on

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Speaker 7: one with deck.

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Speaker 1: I bet PFF is based in Cincinnati and largely owned

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Speaker 1: by Chris collins Worth, so Dexter will see him on

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Speaker 1: Sunday if he wants to have a word with Chris

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Speaker 1: about the uggrading system in that game. Here's my final

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Speaker 1: question for you, Dan, will Malik Neighbors play? Do you know?

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Speaker 7: I don't know, But it's Wednesday. So he suffered the

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Speaker 7: concussion on a Thursday night game, you know, two weeks.

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Speaker 7: We're coming up on the two week mark tomorrow, so

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Speaker 7: obviously didn't play last week. He was on the field

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Speaker 7: today on the side, you know, in this helmet, doing

873
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Speaker 7: like agility stuff with trainers. So in my experience, that's

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Speaker 7: the first step to really getting back on the playing

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Speaker 7: where last week he didn't do anything. So I feel

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Speaker 7: like he's he's on track right now as long as

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Speaker 7: there's no stepbacks. And then tomorrow presumably he'd progress a

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00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 7: non contact participant in practice Friday. You'd hope that that

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00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 7: goes well and he'd be a full participant, and then

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00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 7: you get cleared by the doctor after that, you know, again,

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Speaker 7: assuming there's no symptoms or anything in return. So I

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00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 7: would say as a as a Wednesday night, which is

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Speaker 7: you know, it's hard for me to forecast how a

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00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 7: guy's brain has got to react. I think he'll play

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Speaker 7: just assuming he doesn't have any setbacks, which again that's

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Speaker 7: an assumption I'm making because there's no way to know.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, I would think he's at least he's on

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00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 7: the track, and again, assuming no setbacks, he should be

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00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 7: good to go.

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Speaker 5: Uh my final question, and appreciate all the knowledge and

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00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 5: all the time you've given us. The two inside linebackers,

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00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 5: I mean they have a stud in front of them,

893
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 5: obviously in Lawrence. So it's when we talk about him

894
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 5: beating double team, it's it's hard to get to these guys.

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Speaker 5: And they can run. I mean they can flat out run.

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Speaker 5: They are both tackling machines, aren't they. I Mean they've

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00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 5: combined for I mean so many big plays. The tackle

898
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 5: total is ridiculous. And let's see the inside linebacker group

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Speaker 5: they've they've they've got sixty one total tackles and three

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00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 5: quarterback sacks out of that inside linebacker group. That's pretty

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00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 5: darn good production.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. No, I think to your point on the tackle,

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00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 7: that definitely helps to have, you know, a three hundred

904
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Speaker 7: and fifty pound guy just clogging up the middle and

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00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 7: they're getting you know, probably some more clean runs to

906
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 7: the backs. But yeah, both those guys, Bobby o'caake Mike

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00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 7: McFadden are athletic guys and they'll get downhill. McFadden's actually

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Speaker 7: had I wouldn't they better. Yet No, Cake is like,

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00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 7: you know, he was a you know, kind of big

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00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 7: money agent signing last off last offseason, had a great

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00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 7: first season. He's been fine. This should not nothing bad.

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Speaker 7: But the new scheme, I don't know if he still

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Speaker 7: kind of feel his way through it. Because the thing

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Speaker 7: he did last year we haven't seen yet is maybe

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Speaker 7: a splash played like for a middle linebacker, like he

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Speaker 7: was getting his hand on balls, a getting accepted, he

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Speaker 7: was picking himself, force fumbled all that. We haven't seen

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Speaker 7: that yet. But he's shown that that ability in the past.

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Speaker 7: And then McFadden, Yeah, he's the thing I say with McFadden,

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Speaker 7: he's always in the right spot. Now that might lead

921
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 7: to a TfL, that might lead to an ugly miss tackle.

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Speaker 7: Like he you know, he's still a little in consistent

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Speaker 7: and that's finishing the play, but he must he reads

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00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 7: it fast, gets to the spot and then again that

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Speaker 7: it's just about matter of finishing. But yet, No, they're

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Speaker 7: they're two you know, pretty good players. Because this run

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00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 7: defense got the really rough start. Uh, Minnesota and Washington

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00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 7: kind of ran all over them, and they've tightened it

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Speaker 7: up since then.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure Cincinnati is going to be content to probably

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Speaker 7: air it out because I do still think the secondary

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00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 7: is the is the rush mark on this defense. So

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Speaker 7: if I was them, I would take my chances with

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Speaker 7: the With the two guys that have outside there, I

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Speaker 7: think that that's probably where the biggest mismatch would be.

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00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 7: But in terms of running the ball, I would think that,

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Speaker 7: you know, the middle linebackers for the Giants, you'll be

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Speaker 7: able to hold up pretty well.

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