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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Human remains found in the

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Speaker 1: search for a Miss USA hopeful Kada Scott and tonight

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Speaker 1: a bobshell. Is there an accomplice who thought it would

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Speaker 1: be a great idea to bury her body behind an

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Speaker 1: abandoned middle school, or even worse, kill her. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 2: It is with profound sadness that we share the tragic

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Speaker 2: passing of our beloved daughter, Kata Scott.

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Speaker 1: Our hearts are shattered.

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Speaker 2: Today, we'll say her name. Tomorrow we'll say her name,

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Speaker 2: and forever we will say her name.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, we learn human remains found behind

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Speaker 1: that abandoned middle school, the Ada Lewis Scott Middle School.

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Speaker 1: Listen to what we've learned.

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Speaker 3: Well, based on a tip that came in last night.

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Speaker 3: Through the night, the investigators begin the process of following

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Speaker 3: up on that tip, and the tip was very specific

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Speaker 3: that led us back to this location here today.

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Speaker 4: If we received a tip to go to the Ada

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Speaker 4: Lewis Middle School, investigators went did a thorough search. Essentially,

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Speaker 4: what the new tip was this weekend was go back.

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Speaker 4: It was go back, she's there. Look again and they

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Speaker 4: did give more specific details in terms of where to look,

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Speaker 4: and ultimately that is what led.

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Speaker 5: Us to her.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's some tip that from our friends at ABC six.

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now in all star panelment. First, I

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Speaker 1: want to go to the chief investigative reporter and anchor

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Speaker 1: at CBS News Philadelphia who has been investigating this case

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Speaker 1: right along with the police from the very beginning, Joe Holden. Joe,

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Speaker 1: that was some tip that actually called into police anonymously

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Speaker 1: told them where to look, and then when they didn't

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Speaker 1: find anything the first time, called back and said go back.

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Speaker 1: What were they watching the police or were they watching

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Speaker 1: the news to know there have been no announcement. That's bizarre.

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Speaker 5: Check all those boxes because we know that from police

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Speaker 5: and the prosecutors. This was a persistent tipster. They first

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Speaker 5: called nine to one one last week to say you

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Speaker 5: better look at that middle school property and then police come.

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Speaker 5: They go, they have nothing, and so let me let

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Speaker 5: me let me stop that. Right there, They do find

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Speaker 5: a cell phone case, they find a bank card, and

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Speaker 5: they find an iPad case and possibly some other personal evidence.

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Speaker 5: Yet they didn't find CATA. So that tipster then emails

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Speaker 5: I'm told from sources emails, go back, you have to

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Speaker 5: look again. Yeah, have to look more specific specifically in

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Speaker 5: this location. And we learned that yesterday from from prosecutors.

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Speaker 5: So that happens. They go back, they find her in

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Speaker 5: a shallow grade.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Joe Holden fitzkimm is going to have a field

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Speaker 1: day with tracking down that emailer. But let me go

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Speaker 1: back to Joe Holden. An email like that can't be traced.

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Speaker 1: I'm dying to find out who called nine one one

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Speaker 1: and who was watching so carefully that they knew police

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Speaker 1: left without finding the human remains.

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Speaker 3: Listen, that tip today led us back to this area

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Speaker 3: behind the school.

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Speaker 5: Where's a wooded.

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Speaker 3: Area is I don't know if any of you have

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Speaker 3: been back there, but as a wooded area that goes.

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Speaker 5: Beyond the school.

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Speaker 6: Investigators returned Tovida Lewis Middle School on a very specific

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Speaker 6: anonymous tip to look in a heavily wooded area separating

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Speaker 6: the old closed school from a recreation center. Investigators clear

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Speaker 6: an area of rush and debris, uncovering freshly disturbed earth

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Speaker 6: under a board. Digging with their bare hands, officers are

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Speaker 6: hit with the strange smell and find maggots crawling through

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Speaker 6: the dirt, the area is a shallow grave holding the

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Speaker 6: decomposing remains.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's certainly putting it mildly a strange smell, because

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, once you go to a murder scene

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Speaker 1: and you smell a decomposing body, a human body, you'll

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Speaker 1: never forget it. Even the smell alone. I've actually seen

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Speaker 1: a rookie cup start vomiting from the smell alone. That

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Speaker 1: video you saw from our friends at ABC, and there's more.

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Speaker 3: We begin to go back into that area where we

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Speaker 3: would locate a shallow grave, after being able to remove

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Speaker 7: It has been confirmed that these are the huge remains

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Speaker 7: of Katy Scott, and that has been confirmed by DNA.

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Speaker 1: Two. Joe Holden joining US chief investigative reporter and anchor

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Speaker 1: CBS Needs Philly. That video from our friends at ABC six,

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Speaker 1: Joe Holden, There's just so much to dissect, and this

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Speaker 1: is what you have to do when you are investigating

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Speaker 1: a case orre preparing for trial. You have to take

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Speaker 1: each line. I'm sure you do this in your investigative work,

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Speaker 1: and you have to analyze each and every fact for instance,

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Speaker 1: that the tipster not only call nine one one, but

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Speaker 1: obviously carefully watching the scene, says, oh my stars, they

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Speaker 1: didn't find her, and emails Beck who is this person

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Speaker 1: number one? But Joe Holden? Can you imagine the chaos

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Speaker 1: at the scene when the police are overcome and they

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Speaker 5: So they had to excavate the entire area that they

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Speaker 5: eventually determined to be the final resting place, if you will,

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Speaker 5: or temporary resting place for the beautiful Kata Scott there, Nancy,

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Speaker 5: I will provide a timeline here that we learned we

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Speaker 5: nailed down yesterday. She is reported missing October fourth, twenty

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Speaker 5: some minutes into her shift, and then twenty minutes later

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Speaker 5: police sources believe that is when she dies. So that

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Speaker 5: is October fourth, That is days before a news conference

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Speaker 5: announcing that they're asking the public for help. And of

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Speaker 5: course that is now this huge.

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Speaker 1: So what did you say twenty minutes later? What repeat?

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Speaker 5: Twenty minutes after they say she leaves work is when

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Speaker 5: they believe she dies. She is alive for only twenty

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Speaker 5: minutes after she left the place that she works at

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Speaker 1: But Holden, I don't understand. I hear you, but I

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Speaker 1: don't understand what you're saying. She was dead within twenty

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Speaker 5: Well, police are telling us twenty minutes. They're very guarded

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Speaker 5: on details of how they know that. We couldn't even

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Speaker 5: nail down if they have surveillance video of her getting

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Speaker 5: this story. Where we thought there was one car, now

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Speaker 5: there's a second car involved and it's a two thousand

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Speaker 5: and eight black Hondai accent so Kean King. The suspect

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Speaker 5: in this is now utilizing two different vehicles, and it's

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Speaker 5: believed he shows up to the terrace of Chestnut Hill

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Speaker 5: there where Kata Scott worked the Saturday night of October fourth.

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Speaker 5: They know each other somehow, but are not giving us

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Speaker 5: much detail as to how well or how long she

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Speaker 5: according to multiple law enforcement sources, that she is alive

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Speaker 1: The psychopathy behind that, I'm very anxious to determine why

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Speaker 1: just twenty minutes in she is murdered and actually, Joe Holden,

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Speaker 1: let me quickly go to Brian Fitzgibbons joining us. He's

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Speaker 1: the director of Operations USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a

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Speaker 1: team of investigators that go around the world finding missing

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Speaker 1: people and getting evidence. You and I analyze the case

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Speaker 1: of Madeline Soto Soto and video surveillance played at an

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Speaker 1: integral role in catching the killer. I'm wondering if this

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Speaker 1: case with Kata Scott will line up with what was

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Speaker 1: done in the Mattie Soto case where the perp had

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Speaker 1: the victim in a vehicle and was videoed with Maddie

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Speaker 1: dead in the car. She just turned thirteen, and he

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Speaker 1: then tried to tell police that Maddie, little Maddie thirteen,

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Speaker 1: was actually asleep, that she dozed off on the way

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Speaker 1: to school. It's possible, Fitzgibbons, It's possible that there is

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Speaker 1: video of him with Kata in the car dead.

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Speaker 5: Very possible.

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Speaker 8: And we're learning more information now with the introduction of

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Speaker 8: this two thousand and eight Hyundai Sedan that King was

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Speaker 8: driving and that authorities believe that Kata Scott that was

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Speaker 8: connected to Kata Scott's murder, so there will be more

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Speaker 8: video surveillance on that video. Authorities have already pinned down

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Speaker 8: King's location with his cell phone records to be associated

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Back to Joe Holden, joining

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Speaker 1: US chief investiative reporter and anchor CBS News Philly on

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Speaker 1: the case from the very beginning. And I don't call

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Speaker 1: it a story, Joe, because this is no story. This

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Speaker 1: is real and her family devastated. I can go back

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Speaker 1: on what it could have should have This guy should

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Speaker 1: have already been in jail. The prosecutors dropped the ball.

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Speaker 1: They did not follow up on a previous case almost

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Speaker 1: exactly like this one, when the victim was too afraid

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Speaker 1: she was an FTA failure to appear. I'll get to

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Speaker 1: that later, but I want to go back to the

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Speaker 1: They can smell human d coop. Can you imagine that

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Speaker 5: It's a horrible scene. It's a terrible situation, and I

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Speaker 5: Police Department, it was a traumatic situation for many of them.

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Speaker 5: Many of them went off the grid. Nancy Frankly, Saturday night, Sunday,

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Speaker 5: Sunday afternoon. We couldn't reach many of the folks that

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Speaker 5: they discovered. And to Brian Fitzgibbon's information about video and

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Speaker 5: saying they have video from a nearby rec center. If

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Speaker 5: So there is video, according to prosecutors, of Keon King

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Speaker 5: taking Kata Scott apparently onto the property, and then she

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Speaker 5: is located in the back of the property. So this

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Speaker 5: is where police have video evidence. They also tell us

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Speaker 5: they have technology, they have evidence showing a cellular activity

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Speaker 5: of Keon King's phone in the area at the significant

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Speaker 1: Two right as Gibbons. Many people have asked since the

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Speaker 1: search for Kata started, how do you recognize a shallow grave?

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't you agree that you see disturbed earth where everything

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Speaker 1: that have been there forever, that have been wet, that

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Speaker 1: suddenly you see a disturbed area. I've always looked for

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Speaker 1: a disturbed area before using, for instance, ground pinach. Have

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Speaker 1: you seen a ground penetrating device where you can see

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Speaker 1: it kind of looks like an ultrasound and you see

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Speaker 1: where underneath the soil the dirt has been displayed. But

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Speaker 1: you don't need a ground penetrator. You can see with

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, there's ground penetrating radar, there's light bar, there's various

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Speaker 8: technologies that can be used, but to the naked eye.

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Speaker 5: I think what made.

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Speaker 8: This search complicated is that around the abandoned building there's

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Speaker 8: probably a high amount of debris, a higher amount of

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Speaker 1: It was just just too much. Doctor Thomas Coin joining

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Speaker 1: US Chief Medical Examiner, District two Medical Examiner's Office, State

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Speaker 1: he's a neuropathologist, and more. Doctor Coin, I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: are familiar with the area of investigation that is forensic entomology.

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Speaker 1: And I bring that up because of the existence of maggots,

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Speaker 1: not blowflies, but maggots. Why do I care because it

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Speaker 1: ages the time of death. It helps me get a

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Speaker 10: Explain sure, I mean, certainly from the field of entomology,

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Speaker 10: a decomposing body or a dead body at varying time intervals.

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Speaker 10: So you can collect the different insects species that are

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Speaker 10: a certain sized larval stage, then eventually to becoming a fly.

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Speaker 10: And so if you're able to characterize what stage of

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Speaker 10: and larvae that may be present. And it also provides

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Speaker 10: a good means perhaps of toxicology. You can even test

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Speaker 10: those insects for drugs or poisons if you had no

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Speaker 1: New York Control Room. If you could pull up the

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Speaker 1: video of a prior attack caught on video, it's very

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Speaker 1: hard for me to look at this beautiful girl Dotor

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Speaker 1: look at this. How'd you like to look out your

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Speaker 1: hear the victim screaming, call the police, Call the police.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's running, everybody's moving. He's going from window to window

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Speaker 1: to see how he can get in. This is one

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Speaker 1: of his previous victims. Now I'm leading us up to

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Speaker 1: This is from at s four LCC on TikTok. So

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Speaker 1: you know what, Joe Holden, this guy, he's got a

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Speaker 1: This is his either second or third attack. Very sore

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Speaker 1: to the attack on Cada. She Joe Holden didn't stand

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's got that rap sheet. I guess we

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Speaker 5: actually nothing thin air because those cases went away. The

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Speaker 5: And then fast forward to January, where he is engaged

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Speaker 5: happening that's overlapping the first case, okay, and then charges

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Speaker 5: the District Attorney withdraws the charges. Just yesterday they are

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Speaker 5: right there, they're conceding that they made some mistakes, they

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Speaker 5: should have done things differently. But Nancy, what this has

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Speaker 5: should be ashamed of themselves. They've been appallingly disrespectful, and

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Speaker 5: they're descriptions of how their interaction in these criminal cases

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Speaker 1: By Okay, brace yourself, Joe Holden, that is a load

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Speaker 1: of crap. That video from at S four LCC TikTok,

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Speaker 1: because there's plenty of blame to go around here. Let

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Speaker 1: me bring in Mark Tate, veterans trial lawyer, high profile

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Speaker 1: Group and beyond Tate take off your defense at just

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Speaker 1: one moment. This is complete BS. Let's break it down

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Speaker 1: for people that have not been in the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 1: Number one, the DA, not the judge failed. They had

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Speaker 1: ft A. Failure to appear, So what failure to appear?

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Speaker 1: That means nothing to me. That's why we have investigators

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Speaker 1: go find her. That's not hard to say this. If

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Speaker 1: there's more, because I want to hear your whole opinion.

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Speaker 1: That was the DA's fault, not the judges. But then

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Speaker 1: both of them are guilty, and I don't care how

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Speaker 1: Because Kate is dead. You can think about that tonight

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Speaker 1: when you try to go to sleep. It's on you.

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Speaker 1: That's the truth there, man.

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Speaker 9: I really do want to stress a couple of things.

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Speaker 9: district attorneys, and so I am sympathetic with their position. However,

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Speaker 9: here I think there is as exactly if you described.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I know what I'm saying. It came from

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Speaker 9: my client's interests. But I also take on judges when

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Speaker 9: they make mistakes. It just got one recused from Savannah's

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Speaker 9: probate court last week because he should not be close

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Speaker 1: This this is not an infomercial for the Take Law group.

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Speaker 1: Can we focus on this case.

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Speaker 9: What I'm saying is that judges and district attorneys should

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Speaker 9: mistake that should terrify any victim of domestic violence and

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Speaker 9: the fact that another victim just walked away. They we

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Speaker 7: A really sophisticated approach to the case would have been

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Speaker 11: Put it all on with video evidence. That is not

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Speaker 11: and I own that. I mean, ultimately, the buck stops here.

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Speaker 7: If there's a key decision that is poor, and I

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Speaker 5: Try to do better.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 12: Kate to Scott's Human Remains with two weeks after she

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Speaker 7: During new charges being brought against Key on king Arson

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Speaker 7: causing catastrophe, conspiracy, authorized use of an automobile, receiving still

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I heard additional charges. I didn't hear

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Speaker 1: that very special word murder arson definitely receiving. Who cares?

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Speaker 1: Kata Scott was murdered, according to Joe Holden joining us

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Speaker 1: from CBS News Philly, within twenty minutes after she gets

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Speaker 1: more disturbing question. Is there someone out there that actually

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Speaker 4: Listen, at this point, we do have reason to believe

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Speaker 1: Is that why Joe Holden that law enforcement believes there

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Speaker 5: So we don't know what kind of help he's getting.

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Speaker 5: You've you're ringing a bell that's going off in all

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Speaker 5: Who's the helper? Also about this tipster that leads them

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Speaker 5: in Keon King's tight knit circle here, his group, someone

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Speaker 1: Guys, this video is from Joe's station, CBS Philly. Joe question,

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Speaker 5: Pretty immediately? There was Wednesday of last week and the

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Speaker 5: And then by Saturday the reward was increasing. I believe

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Speaker 5: it had reached maybe twelve thousand dollars. And an email

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Speaker 5: you have to look here.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, apparently Mark Tate, veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney,

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Speaker 1: there is no honor amongst thieves.

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Speaker 9: Nope, I agree totally. If somebody's fat's in the fire,

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Speaker 9: So sure there's an accomplice that appears pretty obvious, because

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Speaker 9: we don't think that Kean King is going to turn

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Speaker 1: Translation, they wanted that ten thousand dollars reward, and.

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Speaker 9: They wanted the ten thousand dollars. You know, ten thousand

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Speaker 1: So much funny the gul that helped bury her body,

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Speaker 1: that police then dug out with their bare hands through

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Speaker 1: the maggots called in because they were guilty. And what

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Speaker 1: a coink You think a coincidence that for you that

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Speaker 1: it was right after the reward was announced.

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Speaker 9: I agree with you, Like I said, you know, you thieves.

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Speaker 9: If somebody's in trouble, If somebody's in trouble and they

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Speaker 9: they're gonna snitch. These are not honorable people. These are

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Speaker 9: of loyalty. There's no loyalty. You're going to get it.

437
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Speaker 1: I'm going to throw this to Brian Fitzgibbons because you'll

438
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: probably deny it, and then I'll ask doctor Jerry land

439
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: Utter about it. Fitzgibbons, You've investigated a lot of cases,

440
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Speaker 1: and I know this is going to sound crazy to

441
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people. That have not been in our shoes.

442
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: Have you ever walked into a group of defendants, like

443
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: on a crime scene and you can just feel the evil?

444
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: It's just a feeling. After all the years I investigated

445
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: and prosecuted, it really only happened a couple of times

446
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: where you walk in and it's like the hair goes

447
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: up on the back of your neck and on your arms.

448
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: You can sense it. You can sense a feeling of

449
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: just evil. Talking about no honor among thieves. I mean, really,

450
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: come on, fitz Gibbons, how hard is it going to

451
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: be to trace the IP of the email the Internet provider? Please?

452
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 8: This is a very simple process for law enforcement to conduct.

453
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 8: Number One, they get a subpoena to the ISP, and

454
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 8: they get that full email header and they unmask the

455
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Speaker 8: location of where this email came from. It would take

456
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 8: a pretty nuanced person to hide that email from them,

457
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Speaker 8: and I believe that they can do this pretty rapidly.

458
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: To Doctor Jerry Lynn Utter joining US a clinical psychologist

459
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Speaker 1: specializing and evaluations and assessments for people in the criminal

460
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Speaker 1: justice system. She's the author of mainlining Philly regarding drug

461
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: addiction and aftershock. I mean, do you sort of utter nonsense.

462
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: That's a documentary exploring addiction, not a genrealine an utter

463
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Question what Ghul thinks

464
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: it's okay to put a beautiful young girl, brilliant graduate

465
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Speaker 1: at Penn State, that's not easy, and bury her in

466
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Speaker 1: a shallow grave behind an abandoned middle school and just

467
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Speaker 1: for good measure, covered up with a board that's going

468
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Speaker 1: to stop at a dab or dog and walk away

469
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Speaker 1: and feel okay with that.

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Speaker 13: Whoever is involved, if there is an accomplice like Joe

471
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Speaker 13: Holdensane in moving her body or burying her, this is

472
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Speaker 13: somebody that has a similar psychopathy or personality trait as

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Speaker 13: kan King himself. So to your point that you made

474
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Speaker 13: earlier about the hair standing up on the back of

475
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Speaker 13: your neck when I heard that, that same exact thing

476
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Speaker 13: happened to me. Because the group that mister King is within,

477
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 13: in the circle of accomplices that he works within, have

478
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 13: a similar mindset as he does. So you know, they

479
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 13: probably didn't really see miss Scott much as as a

480
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Speaker 13: human being. This was somebody that they were burying in

481
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Speaker 13: order to please Keon or to help Keon. So the

482
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Speaker 13: psychopathy is similar, and that you're dealing with folks that

483
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 13: are sociopathic. So anybody that is going to work to

484
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Speaker 13: do that probably has a similar personality organization as mister Kink.

485
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Speaker 13: The other alternative nancy, which you probably aren't going to

486
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Speaker 13: want to hear, is that maybe the accomplished or person

487
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Speaker 13: may have been under some type of coercive control, afraid

488
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Speaker 13: of him, afraid of retaliation from him. That's also an option,

489
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Speaker 13: but I feel as though it's more you know, people

490
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Speaker 13: that are floating in the same circle as he is

491
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Speaker 13: and also have the same type of mindset as he does.

492
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Speaker 4: In our office approved charges as the DAE just said

493
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Speaker 4: of arson causing catastrophe, conspiracy, unauthorized use of an automobile,

494
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Speaker 4: tampering with evidence, recklessly endangering another person, and receive a

495
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Speaker 4: stolen property. Those charges are in reference to the burning

496
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Speaker 4: of a vehicle. That vehicle is a two thousand and

497
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Speaker 4: eight black Hyundai accent.

498
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Speaker 2: Kata with deeply loved, her light, kindness and beautiful spirit

499
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Speaker 2: will forever remain in our hearts. Our family now seeks

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Speaker 2: justice for Kata.

501
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Speaker 5: Kada Scott mattered, her life.

502
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Speaker 1: Matters a second car. Does that indicate is that the

503
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Speaker 1: proof of an accomplished some ghoul that thought it was

504
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Speaker 1: okay to throw the body of a miss USA hopeful

505
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Speaker 1: into a shallow grave or dig the grave and then

506
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Speaker 1: just walk away. I not think another thing about it. Okay,

507
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: you're hearing about arson charges. Where's that coming from? Listen?

508
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Speaker 4: There was a nine one one call that a vehicle

509
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 4: was on fire, so police did respond to it. The

510
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: fire department response responded to it, ruled it an arson,

511
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 4: and that at that point when they were finished with

512
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Speaker 4: their investigation, the car was it was demolished, it was burned,

513
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 4: so it was taken in, towed and compacted.

514
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: From our friends at CBS Philly and speaking off straight

515
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Speaker 1: out to Joe Holden, tell me about the car fire.

516
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: It seems disconnected, but it is very connected. Man probably

517
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: won't get any evidence from it. But who does it

518
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: belong to? What do we know?

519
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 5: It was stolen? It was stolen on October third, so

520
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 5: that is the day before Kata Scott was missing. And

521
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 5: then we know once she goes missing, it's twenty minutes

522
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 5: later that police sources believe that she has killed. But

523
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Speaker 5: then that is the car seen on video from the

524
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Speaker 5: rec center that sits next to the middle school that

525
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Speaker 5: Kean King is removing Kata Scott from the Hondai accent

526
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Speaker 5: two thousand and eight Hondai accent. Then she's placed on the.

527
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Speaker 1: Middle shape because you got him up again. I need

528
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Speaker 1: to understand exactly what he's saying, Joe Holten and tell

529
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Speaker 1: me that one more time.

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Speaker 5: Car stolen on October third, Kata Scott who is missing

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Speaker 5: on October fourth, and then the car is found burning

532
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Speaker 5: on the street October seventh. Miraculously Philadelphia gets right to

533
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Speaker 5: it and finds the car and takes it off the

534
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 5: street because it is an abandoned burning car. It goes

535
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Speaker 5: to a junk yard where it is crushed and compacted.

536
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 5: We've confirmed that there is no valuable DNA or evidence

537
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 5: that can be retrieved from that car because it all

538
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 5: burned up in the fire and was compacted.

539
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: But at the time it was taken to a toy

540
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: lot and compacted, crushed, they likely didn't know it was

541
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Speaker 1: connected to Kita.

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00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 5: Absolutely true. And that is where you know they're explaining

543
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 5: why they can't get you any sort of usable evidence

544
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 5: from this car because it's destroyed and they do say

545
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 5: it was They say it was destroyed in the fire.

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00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 5: So whatever actions happened at the junkyard. It's not like

547
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Speaker 5: they could go back in pieces thing together.

548
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I believe that, fitz Gibbons.

549
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: Even if a car has been through fire, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how much of it was burned. I don't know

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00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: if the handle could have had DNA or fingerprints still

552
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Speaker 1: on it. I don't know if the interior was intact

553
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: in any wami. Without seeing the car, I don't know

554
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Speaker 1: that we couldn't have gotten a fingerprints. But that's the wood.

555
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: It could have shown up again. Because it's over, it's

556
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: being compacted. You're not going to get anything from it now,

557
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: fitz Gibbons.

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Speaker 8: This vehicle being compacted makes it nearly impossible. And you know,

559
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Speaker 8: I will say that there are cases after a vehicle

560
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Speaker 8: is burnt that we can recover some physical evidence that

561
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Speaker 8: this is going to speak directly to.

562
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Speaker 5: The amount of blood that was present in that vehicle.

563
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Speaker 1: Guys, this is what we know about the vehicle. Take

564
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Speaker 1: a listen to the Ada Ashley Taslavsky.

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Speaker 4: That vehicle was stolen on October third from the area

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Speaker 4: of sixty six hundred Sprague Streets.

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Speaker 1: We believe that vehicle is the vehicle.

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00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 5: That was used in this case.

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Speaker 4: That vehicle was then on scene at that rec center,

570
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 4: which ultimately, as we all know, is where we found

571
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 4: miss Scott's human remains. Video evidence indicates it was on location.

572
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 4: Video evidence then indicates it leaves the location it is

573
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Speaker 4: burned on October seventh. It was located on the twenty

574
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Speaker 4: three hundred block of seventy fourth Avenue.

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Speaker 1: Straight back to CBS Philly Chief investigative reporter and anchor

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Speaker 1: Joe Holden, Now, tell me about the video because the

577
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: car is destroyed. I'm not getting anything from that, Okay.

578
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: I would stay up all night fuming if I were

579
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 1: prosecuting this case. But immediately fallback for a hill, Mary

580
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: the hill? Mary? Is it video? What does the video

581
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: show about how this car is connected to Cata?

582
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 5: So the video shows the car arrives at that middle

583
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 5: school property there in East Germantown where Kada is later

584
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 5: found buried. Just as past weekend, the Toyota that they

585
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 5: were feverishly searching for a week ago is also there now.

586
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 5: So Keon King, according to prosecutors and sources, is using

587
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 5: both cars in tandem and at times separately. He is

588
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 5: apparently using someone else to help him with both cars,

589
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 5: so both cars are in motion so to speak, in

590
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 5: this investigation. But it is the Hyundai Accent that is

591
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 5: the car believed to take Kata Scott from her place

592
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 5: of work in Chestnut Hill Saturday, October fourth, just moments

593
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 5: after ten pm than to the middle school property. And

594
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 5: then that car on video is seen coming and going

595
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 5: two to three times in the time since October fourth, And.

596
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Speaker 4: We recovered additional evidence, including video evidence, that confirms that

597
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: this vehicle we believe is the vehicle that mister Keian

598
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 4: King used to move Miss Scott. Be recovered video out

599
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 4: from near the Ada Lewis Middle School where our search

600
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 4: and the investigator search has been focused. There's a rec

601
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 4: center directly next to that school. Video evidences recovered from

602
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 4: that rec center, and we are now able to say

603
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 4: that this Hyundai Accent was on location at all of

604
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 4: the times we're looking at, at all of the pertinent

605
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Speaker 4: points in the investigation.

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Speaker 12: Kada was kind. She was a kind woman. She was

607
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 12: kind to our friends, she was kind to our family.

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00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 12: Cada is someone who could have been our sister, cousin,

609
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 12: just someone that is a friend or family member in

610
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Speaker 12: our lives, could have been anybody, any.

611
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Speaker 1: One of us, I want to go quickly out to

612
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: Dr Thomas Coin guys. He is the chief medical examiner

613
00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: district to in the state of Florida, forensic pathologists to psychologist, neuropathologist.

614
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: And it goes on, how are we going to get

615
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: a CD cause of death given the amount of time

616
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Speaker 1: between Kata's death, her murder and the discovery of her remains.

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Speaker 10: It really depends upon if sufficient tissue is present still

618
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 10: on the body that allows us to identify an injury.

619
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 10: So a decomposition has progressed far enough where most of

620
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Speaker 10: the soft tissues on a neck and on the torso

621
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Speaker 10: or absent, it may be hard to see if she

622
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 10: was strangled or even stabbed, So they may have to

623
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Speaker 10: employ the help of an anthropologist that can do a

624
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 10: little more detailed examination and the skelt and to see

625
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 10: if there are any fractur so, for instance, a person

626
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 10: was let's say stabbed, So you may actually.

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00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: Can't do that with an X ray.

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00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 10: Coin no, very hard to sometimes see the difference between

629
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Speaker 10: let's say scavenging activity like tooth marks from an animal

630
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 10: compared to knife mark from a tool. But if you

631
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Speaker 10: were able to actually at the bone. Not only can

632
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 10: you actually see the knife mark, you can make a

633
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Speaker 10: determination as to whether or not that occurred before death

634
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 10: as opposed to just artifact after death. And then you

635
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 10: can also maybe use that to create a mold to

636
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 10: compare it to a murder weapon if you actually find one,

637
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 10: So it gives you a more optional that.

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00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: Is predicated doctor coin upon the knife if the knife

639
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: was used kidding a bone exactly.

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Speaker 10: So that's the difficult part about having a body that's

641
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 10: found in the ground. If a body's found in the ground, and.

642
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Speaker 1: Don't you think the likely cod is going to be

643
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Speaker 1: asphyxiation in.

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Speaker 5: That car I do.

645
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Speaker 10: In this case, I do. And the only thing you

646
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Speaker 10: hope for is that they were The fact that they

647
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Speaker 10: haven't release the cause of death tells me that they

648
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 10: didn't have sufficient evidence to determine asphyxiation. You know, if

649
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Speaker 10: you strangle a person, if the person is recently deceased,

650
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 10: you may be able to see bruising in the neck,

651
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Speaker 10: bruising in the neck muscles. Sometimes you can get a

652
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 10: acture of the thyroid cartilage or a hyoid bone. But

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Speaker 10: in a body that's decomposing outside, you hope that you

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Speaker 10: even find a highway bone.

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Speaker 14: If there is a scavenger buried buried coin buried buried,

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Speaker 14: would that preclude quote scavenger activity.

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Speaker 1: Animals carry her body apart. Let's just put it out there,

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. If she were buried coin, then

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Speaker 1: I don't know that scavengers had gotten to her.

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Speaker 10: No, well, flies did, right, so she was covered in maggot.

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Speaker 10: So just because she's in the ground in a shallow grade,

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Speaker 10: it doesn't mean scavengers can't have access to the body.

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Speaker 10: Those chemicals of decomposition voltailized. They're able to be smelled

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Speaker 10: animals all around, and there are burying animals that can

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Speaker 10: go into the ground. But what I'm saying is that

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Speaker 10: even if you strangled her, because she's young, she may

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Speaker 10: not have fractures in her neck. All of the injuries

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Speaker 10: may be in soft tissue like bruises, and if that

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Speaker 10: tissue is gone from decomposition or maggot.

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Speaker 1: Actually, let me see him for peace Coin. You can

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Speaker 1: see the monitor, right, you can see KATEA. Scott. Does

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Speaker 1: it ever bother you? Because it bothers me badly that

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Speaker 1: we're talking about animals burrowing into the ground to eat

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Speaker 1: her body and tear it apart.

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Speaker 10: It's hard to separate the dad in me, you know,

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Speaker 10: from the doctor. So when I have these cases, I

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Speaker 10: have to turn that out. I mean, it certainly does

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Speaker 10: bother you when those cases come up to my office.

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Speaker 1: And this is horrible, Joe, I'm gonna have to quit

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Speaker 1: thinking about everything, doctor Thomas Coyn is saying, because I

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Speaker 1: know it's all true, and I know he's right, but

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Speaker 1: I need to think about the evidence that I can handle.

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Speaker 1: How am I going to prove this case and get

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Speaker 1: the killer and all of his minions that helped him.

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about cell phone evidence very quickly, Joe holden.

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Speaker 5: Self, phone evidence places him at all of the permanent locations,

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Speaker 5: the District Attorney's office says, in this whole you know

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Speaker 5: sort of scheme where it starts on October third with

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Speaker 5: the stealing of a car. October fourth, she goes missing,

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Speaker 5: and then that car is back and forth a few

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Speaker 5: times to this middle school property. Is he moving her?

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Speaker 5: Is he doing? What is he trying to conceal further

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Speaker 5: you know, evidence that he's been there. We will wait

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Speaker 5: and see the District Attorney's office. Nancy. If you hear

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Speaker 5: a lot of how they phrased this. They don't say body,

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Speaker 5: they don't stay dead, they don't they're really just a

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Speaker 5: degree of respect for Kata Scott, that he moves her,

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Speaker 5: that he takes her there. And so we're scratching our

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Speaker 5: heads in a lot of the time trying to figure out, well,

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Speaker 5: is she dead as she's being moved. And after all

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Speaker 5: of this, we determined we were able to find out

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Speaker 5: from our sources twenty minutes after she leaves her work,

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Speaker 5: they believe she is killed. So as far as the evidence,

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Speaker 5: there's video, there's cell records, and of course, now there

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Speaker 5: is this tipster who provided information on two occasions to

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Speaker 5: Philadelphia Pulley. They are actively investigating the person's identity and

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Speaker 5: are hoping to uncover the trail that that person provided

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Speaker 5: the information that then led police here. That tipster is

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Speaker 5: now part of this investigation.

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Speaker 1: VIDEOCBS Philly as we go to air tonight, the case

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Speaker 1: against Kata Scott's killer is being created. The investigation is ongoing.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the

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Speaker 1: disappearance and death of this beautiful girl, Kata Scott, please

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Speaker 1: dial two one five six eight six eight four seven

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Speaker 1: seven repeat two one five six eight six, eight, four,

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Speaker 1: seven seven, We remember American Hero Sergeant Harold Preston, Houston PD,

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Speaker 1: shot in the line of duty after forty one years

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Speaker 1: in law enforcement, leaving behind devastated parents. American Hero Sergeant

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Speaker 1: Harold Preston, Nancy Grace signing off good bye friend,