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Speaker 1: He helped me grow up, truck, he helped me. I'm

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Speaker 1: not good too. He reads me book, My Shoes, My daddy, Daddy.

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Speaker 1: I love you. Oh you are hearing Baby Belly just

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Speaker 1: four years old. She was murdered by her father. That

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Speaker 1: their mother. In the last hours, we have obtained shocking

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Speaker 1: audio of Chris Watts the killer dad's confession from a

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Speaker 1: MAX facility in Wisconsin. Listen to this crab. Could she

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Speaker 1: like like if you picture somebody else around you holding

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Speaker 1: life flash before me. Wendy Patrick veteran California prosecutor and

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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags, Frenemies, Underminers, and Ruthless People on

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Speaker 1: Amazon Wendy, you know what I would be in the

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan frans its expert of what type of

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Speaker 1: you should. And yet he did. I thank god he

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Speaker 1: did it. I thank god in heaven that he didn't

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Speaker 1: listen to me. In that interview, Chris admits he and

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Speaker 1: Chanan had exchanged words before she disappeared. It wasn't like

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Speaker 1: an argument. We had emotional conversation, but I'll leave it

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Speaker 1: at that. In the weeks before Shanan went missing, she

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00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: expressed great concern that her marriage was falling apart, sending

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Speaker 1: Chris text messages like this one. If you are done,

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00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: don't love me, don't want to work this out, not

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Speaker 1: happy anymore, and only staying because of kids. I need

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Speaker 1: you to tell me. I'm not just staying because of

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Speaker 1: the kids. They're in my light and that will not change.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what's in my head. She just told

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Speaker 1: me that Chris said he wasn't happy anymore and that

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Speaker 1: she didn't know what was wrong. But you're hearing our

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00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: friend at ABC's Nightline. That's Emmy Robot speaking with Chanane's mom.

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00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: I wonder what Bella and Celeste went through. Joining me

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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigator reporter Ellen, Ki, Laura and Ellen.

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Speaker 1: What do we know? What we know is really really awful.

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00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: What we know now is that Bella and Celeste were

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Speaker 1: alive for at least an hour after Chris murdered their mother.

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00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: They traveled in a truck with Chris and their mother's

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00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: dead body for forty five minutes to an hour to

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Speaker 1: an oil field. Bella and Celeste were sitting in the

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Speaker 1: back of the truck when Chris took China's body and

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00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: jumped it. Bella was sitting next to her little sister

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Speaker 1: when Chris Watts strangled Celeste or Cecie as her family

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Speaker 1: called her, and she was still alive when Chris Watts

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Speaker 1: put Cecie into an oil tank, and then she said

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Speaker 1: to her father, is the same thing going to happen

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Speaker 1: to me? And it did. It's just so hard for

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Speaker 1: me to tell. In that evil we also are learning

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Speaker 1: that Chris Watts goes to great pains to deny he's

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Speaker 1: having an affair with a gay escort, now a second

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Speaker 1: man claiming to have had a relationship with him after

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Speaker 1: meeting and rehab He's going to great efforts to go no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I've never been with a man you know, that is

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Speaker 1: the least of his concerns. Why is he so concerned

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Speaker 1: about that doctor Brian Russell? Who cares who he had

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Speaker 1: an affair with. I care about Nan and Bella and Celeste.

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Speaker 1: I don't care who he was with. I care about

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Speaker 1: the fact he murdered them. And he's so worried about

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Speaker 1: what people may think of him sexually. Well, yeah, again,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a nice illustration. I mean, it's sad,

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Speaker 1: but it's a good illustration of the fact that he's

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Speaker 1: concerned about how he's coming off in the store, and

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Speaker 1: in a way that he apparently thinks is is uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we'd be degrading to him as a man

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Speaker 1: or whatever when and and and it's you know, if

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Speaker 1: it weren't so sad, it would almost be comical that

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Speaker 1: he's concerned about how he comes off in that regard.

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Speaker 1: And yet we're talking about the murders of his wife

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Speaker 1: and children. You know, I'm thinking a lot about what

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Speaker 1: ek Ellen Colora was talking about, what Bella and Celeste

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Speaker 1: endured riding along for up to an hour with their

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Speaker 1: mom's dead body after she had defecated it all over

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Speaker 1: the sheets. She was dead, wrapped up in the bed

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Speaker 1: sheets in the car with them as they drove an

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Speaker 1: hour to the Anadarko oil fields. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friend doctor Phil with Shenanne's parents. And then he

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Speaker 1: came back to the truck and Bella had said to

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Speaker 1: her father, You're not going to do that to me

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Speaker 1: what you did to Cec? Are you? Daddy? Hello was

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00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: still in the back of the truck. Of life. Something

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Speaker 1: would happened, man, She said, what happened to Cec? First? Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's the same thing. What's that? The same thing that

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Speaker 1: happened to me at sec And then he took her life.

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Speaker 1: It's worse and we even thought we thought the worst. Ye,

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Speaker 1: well we heard already. You know, we had no idea.

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Speaker 1: It was way worse than this. I'm so very very sorry. Well,

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00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: there's your grandfather. I can't imagine. Those are my grandchildren.

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Speaker 1: I love that they were mine. I cry all the time.

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00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 1: There's many times that I just feel like getting up.

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Speaker 1: If it wasn't forgot, it wouldn't get here. You hear

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Speaker 1: Shann's family crying in tears as they speak to doctor Phil,

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00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: back to Chris Watts, to killer Dad. We're getting a

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00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: look inside of his brain. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: I look outside what we're doing right now, right now,

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00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: I have a five year old or three year older son.

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Speaker 1: Now it's just me, me, me, me. I could have

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Speaker 1: had a son, I could have had these children. I

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00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: could have had a beautiful wife. It's all about him,

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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick again, Yeah, I'll tell you what, Nancy, this

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Speaker 1: really is one of those things where the consistency with

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Speaker 1: this narcissistic trade is almost stunning. There so far hasn't

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00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: been anything about remorse about Gosh. I wish that I

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Speaker 1: didn't put them through it. I mean an hour drive

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Speaker 1: for those girls, as you pointed out, with their mother's

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Speaker 1: body in the back. I mean that alone is almost

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00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: stunning and taught in terms of just the emotional confusion

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Speaker 1: and terror and trauma. I mean, to not even have

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Speaker 1: thought what he put everybody else through. It really is stunning,

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Speaker 1: you know. To you Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics at

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Speaker 1: Jackson State University and author, jose why is it so

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00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: important that we know the timeline, that we know the

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00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: facts as fully as possible, Because bottom line, we know

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00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: Chris Watts murdered his wife, his two little girls, his

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00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: unborn son. We know that, So why is it critical

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Speaker 1: that we can develop this timeline and the facts. Well,

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00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: you have to be able to pare these things up

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00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: and marry them up relative to the sequence of how

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00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: this all went down. Looking at all of this in totality,

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Speaker 1: one of the things I have a major problem with.

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Speaker 1: I've had people in the media that have come to me.

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00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: I've had people just you know, in the general public

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00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: that have tried to I don't know, alibi or give

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00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: some reason for why Chris Watts did what he did.

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Speaker 1: The big problem I have here is they say that, well,

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Speaker 1: it was a spontaneous event that he killed his wife. No,

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Speaker 1: that all of that aside. I have to say that

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00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: this is something that he had planned for a protracted

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00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: period of time. He was just waiting for the right

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00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: time to trigger. He knew, he knew specifically what it

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00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: was like to take the life of his wife. It

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00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: was a visceral event. He was on top of her,

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Speaker 1: he choked her out. Now he puts the body in

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Speaker 1: the truck. He has a window forty five minutes to

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Speaker 1: fifty five minutes to think all of this through his mind,

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Speaker 1: to put this in the process, to get out to

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00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: those oil fields, at which time he could have said

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00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: he calls no joy and says, hey, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to do this any longer. I'm gonna throw my hands

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00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: up and let these children live. He decided not to.

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00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: He premeditated this event, got them out there, and kill

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Speaker 1: them after they arrived at the oil fields, and also

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00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: dodgor Brian Russell, host of Id's Fatal, vows the reality

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Speaker 1: is that under the law intent, premeditation can be formed

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00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: in a twinkling of the eye. You could do that

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Speaker 1: in a heartbeat. Another thing I think is interesting about

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Speaker 1: this is when you listen to this confession, it does

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Speaker 1: not sound like the person giving it is having a

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00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: hard time give It doesn't even sound very difficult or

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00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: really difficult at all for him to tell this story.

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00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: You know, it almost sounds like he is he's in

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00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: a situation now where you know, he doesn't really have

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Speaker 1: any hope left of living the life that he was

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00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: trying to create for himself by committing these crimes, and

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00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: so the way to sort of keep himself the center

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00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: of attention, to sort of, uh, you know, keep the

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00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: spotlight on him, is to tell this story. And it

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Speaker 1: almost sounds to me like at some points he's sort

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00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: of enjoying the way that he's sort of matter of

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00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: factly relates this and probably you know, looks into the

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Speaker 1: eyes of the questioners and sees the shock there, sees

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Speaker 1: the shock value that he's delivering, and take some kind

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Speaker 1: of a pleasure in that. It's it's it's it's awful,

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00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: it's it's just a depth of evil that I hope

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Speaker 1: nobody listening ever sees in their own life. Hey, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: one other point, if I, if I could make it,

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Speaker 1: out of all of these victims, Bella, she's the one

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Speaker 1: that questions him at the oil field according to what

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Speaker 1: he's saying. And in addition to that, out of all

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00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: of these, she is the one that is demonstrating, through

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Speaker 1: what remains of her body that she fought back. She

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00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: had some horrific injuries to her mouth, She struggled with

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Speaker 1: her dad as he's placing this blanket over her face.

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Speaker 1: He's holding her hand, his hand over the blanket and

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Speaker 1: cutting off her airway. She fought back in the midst

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Speaker 1: of this horrible, horrible, just tragedy that's going on, and

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Speaker 1: still he didn't have the depth to show mercy and

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Speaker 1: all of this our prayers with the family of Nan.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend,