1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with tech stuff from how 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. Say there, everyone, and welcome to 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: tech stuff. I'm Jonathan Strickland. And and we're gonna take 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: you to Mars. Fore maybe maybe the possibility. So so 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: Mars one, Yeah, Mars one. It's this. It's this proposed 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: project that would set up a human colony on Mars, 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: funded mostly by the televisation of the entire process. Yes, so, 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: um yeah, essentially turning a space exploration and colonization project 9 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: into a reality TV show in a way actually more 10 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: than just in a way a giant reality TV show 11 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: in an entire like thirteen year series of reality TV shows, 12 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: which is pretty impressive to sit there and say that 13 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: any particular property is going to maintain interest in the 14 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: public for at least thirteen years. Uh, and maybe it will, 15 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: but um, it's it's kind of an interesting approach to this, 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 1: this question of when are we going to actually set 17 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: up a colony somewhere other than on Earth, like like 18 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: on Mars, and and proposing the fact that it can 19 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: be not only commercial but um but but driven specifically 20 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: by public interest. Really, I mean, because because here's the 21 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: thing is that we know that the government officials that 22 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: are behind things like like the space industry in the 23 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: United States anyway, are facing increasingly difficult battles in in funding. Right. 24 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: It's it's getting harder and harder to get a working budget. 25 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: And some of that is due to problems that the 26 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: various space industries have had, like specifically what NASA has undergone, 27 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: where NASA has had a few projects more than a 28 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: few maybe that some would argue we're improperly governed so 29 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: that they ballooned out of control as far as budget 30 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: and timeline is considered. And part partially this was also 31 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: due to just uh, everyone at the at the outset 32 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: and not understanding exactly what kinds of issues we're going 33 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: to crop up along the way and what kinds of 34 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: problems would need to be solved, right, And sometimes it 35 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: was because you know, it wasn't necessarily mismanagement, but it 36 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 1: might be that you know, you have very limited uh 37 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: people you can go to when you need something like 38 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: an enormous rocket, and if the only company that provides 39 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: the enormous rockets that you need says, you know, I 40 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: know that originally we were going to say that this 41 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: was going to be you know, twenty million dollars per rocket, 42 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: but in reality it looks like it's gonna be closer 43 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: to sixty five. You don't have a lot of options left. 44 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: So it's I don't mean to suggest that NASA was 45 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: really bad at managing this stuff. It's just that a 46 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: lot of several high profile projects, uh ended up getting 47 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: bogged down in lots of problems, which and when you're 48 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: and when you're publicly funded, it's a lot more difficult 49 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: to handle that This this private funding could hypothetically, you know, 50 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: eat around some of those problems. You can sell more 51 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: advertising space or something like that. Right, I mean that 52 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: that's the whole idea behind the privatization of space exploration, right, 53 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: is that they aren't uh, they aren't tied down to 54 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: things like tax income. They don't have to go and 55 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: petition they have to answer to the taxpayers. That's right, 56 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: that's right. But they do have to raise those funds 57 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: some other way, because it's not like they just magically 58 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: have access to those giant rockets. Uh. The supposed funds 59 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: that MARS one will require to to establish the settlement 60 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: is six billion dollars. That sounds so low, phenomenally low 61 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: to me low, But but it's it's starting with just 62 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: four settlers, um to to expand hypothetically by teams of 63 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: four every two years. And they're aiming for the first 64 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: round of settlers to to land and um uh is 65 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: the is the current proposed date, which is ten years away. 66 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't This is already blowing my mind. 67 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: And we haven't even gotten into what the actual challenges 68 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: are yet. But just the challenge of getting the materials together, 69 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: testing your your various spacecraft because obviously you're going to 70 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: have to design special spacecraft for these teams to go 71 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: up in there. They're they're talking right now to Elon 72 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 1: Musk and the other kids are at SpaceX R about 73 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: about using their their stuff, which would be important. I mean, 74 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: like using the Dragon spacecraft that kind of stuff. Uh, 75 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: obviously that would be something they'd have to take into consideration. 76 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: It just seems it seems really ambitious. That's not to 77 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: say that it can't be done or that they shouldn't try. 78 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: I think being ambitious is fantastic. It's just one of 79 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: those things where having seen how difficult it is to 80 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: get a space project and I hate to use this 81 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: phrase off the ground, uh tells me that things are 82 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: going to have to go really really well for them 83 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: to make that budget and to make that timeline. Maybe 84 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: it will, but let's let's talk a little bit more 85 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: about what this whole project is. So, Yeah, the first 86 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: team lands, and now the thing is that in order 87 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: for anyone to land on Mars and have any expectation 88 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: of being able to survive there, other stuff is gonna 89 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: have to get there first. A whole bunch of other stuff. Yeah, 90 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: because Mars doesn't have any supermarkets, so you would need 91 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: some way of getting supplies there. And I mean, you know, 92 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: you can't just pack everything you would need in your 93 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: single rocket. That would be very inefficient. That would be 94 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: way too much weight, right, Yeah, the more weight you 95 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: add to your launch vehicle, the more fuel you need. 96 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: And the more fuel you need, the more weight you 97 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: add to your launch vehicle. There does come a point 98 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: where your launch vehicle is too heavy for you to 99 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: be to launch it using the fuel sources that we 100 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: typically use here on Earth. And and they are they 101 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: are planning a space launch rather than an Earth launch 102 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: of the actual crew module. Interesting, I did not read 103 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: that part, so you'll have to tell me more about that. 104 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: If if you get a chance. Sure, but but but 105 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: let's let's let's back all of this back up the so, so, 106 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: the Mars one project is run by the by by 107 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: by two parts. It's a there's a nonprofit foundation called 108 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: Mars one and there's a for profit company called Interplanetary 109 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: Media Group, which makes me laugh so hard that they 110 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: are interplanetary serving all your needs, whether you are on 111 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: Earth or somewhere else. That's I do wonder whether whether 112 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: the nice people who founded it are on Earth or 113 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: somewhere else. There is a fair, fair request? Are you 114 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: from here? Uh? This this is these but both of 115 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: these of these organizations are are are based in the 116 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: Otherland's co founded by Bob's Landsdorp and ar Noo Wielders 117 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: and uh Landscorpe says that he got the idea when 118 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: he saw the revenue figures for the International Olympic Committee 119 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of years ago and said, hey, there's money there, 120 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: there's money there, there's there's money in in televising these 121 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: epic human events. And you also uncovered that that Interplanetary 122 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: Media Group the you know, they're they're different organizations that 123 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: own shares in Interplanetary Media Group. Who owns the majority. 124 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: The Mars One Foundation owns almost of the shares in 125 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: Interplanetary Media Group. The nonprofit arm of Mars One owns 126 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: nine of the for profit arm of the project. It's 127 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: it's also the sole supervisor of the for profit sectors 128 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: operations weights the nonprofit organization overseas the for profit arm 129 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: of this. Now, now this is just it raises alarm 130 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: flags in my mind. However, I will say, if this works, 131 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: it's a brilliant way of of funding this because the 132 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: nonprofit part can take them any money that's generally from 133 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: right and there's no there's no processing fee or whatever 134 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: you want. There's not a convenience fee here. Because they 135 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: have this governance and they have this ownership of the 136 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: the for profit arm. And if that money indeed is 137 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: going to fund this Mars project, that's exactly what they're 138 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: going to need in order to have that That a 139 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: massive amount of capital they're going to need because the 140 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: foundation is going to be is going to be the 141 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: owner of the settlement on Mars and UH and the 142 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: employer of the mission teams right, and then I am G. 143 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: The the Media group is essentially in charge of of 144 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: generating funds through things like the olevised broadcast of the 145 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: process of selecting people to go to Mars even and 146 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: then once they get there, their ongoing experience on Mars 147 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: to be live stream televised seven six, five days a year. Yeah, 148 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: it's big brother Red Planet edition. And then they also 149 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: but they're also going to be generating money through things 150 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: like merchandizing, right right, And I AMG will in fact 151 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: hold exclusive rights um to use this project to generate 152 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: revenue through broadcasting, advertising, etcetera, etcetera. Right, So you've got 153 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: this interesting approach to trying to uh to fund space colonization. Obviously, 154 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: the only way this really works is if it captures 155 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: the public's attention enough for them to want to watch it, right, 156 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: Because otherwise that flow of revenue isn't going to come 157 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: to dry up immediately, and then they don't have any 158 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: money to build or buy all the stuff they need 159 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: in order to get things to Mars. So let's talk 160 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: a little bit about what they are looking for, because 161 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: clearly they need to have people want to go, and 162 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: I would I would argue that that part of this 163 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: this application process that we're about to talk about proves 164 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: that the interest is there because within the first two 165 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: weeks that applications were open, they got seventy eight thousand applicants. Yeah, 166 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,359 Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a huge number. And the application 167 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: process is still open as of the recording of this podcast, right, yeah, 168 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: this is uh it opened in April. We are recording 169 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: this in May, and it will be open until August one. Right, 170 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: so so there's still time, still time. And they say 171 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: that they expect half a million applicants by the time 172 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: it's all over, because obviously that that first rush is 173 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: from all the people who hear about it at the 174 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: very beginning. Now, before you rush out and fill out 175 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: your application, maybe you should uh learn a little bit 176 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: more about the parameters of the mission. This is mortal 177 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: likely than not a one way ticket. You will not 178 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: be coming back from Mars. If you were to go 179 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: to Mars on this mission. Um, there is every possibility 180 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: that that is where you would have to spend the 181 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: rest of your life. The expense incurred to get you 182 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: back here would basically not be worth you, well, no, 183 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: no offense to you beyond that, I mean, just the 184 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: logistics of designing a spacecraft that could and yeah, you'd 185 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: have to have even more fuel. So that you could 186 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: escape the gravity of Mars. Remember, mars is gravity is 187 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: is not that different from Earth's, so you would have 188 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: the same issue. Now that the atmosphere is thinner, so 189 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: you'd have less air resistance, but that's kind of negligible 190 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: when you're talking about gravity. UM. So I mean to 191 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: to create a spacecraft that could get there and then 192 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: launch from the surface and come back is beyond the 193 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: scope of this project. So that leaves you literally on Mars. 194 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: So if you don't want to spend the rest of 195 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: your life there, you probably don't want to. Um to apply, 196 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: to apply very seriously. They're they're looking for people who 197 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: are at least eighteen years of age or older, keeping 198 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: in mind you will be ten years older if you 199 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: were selected to be one of the four people who 200 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: go up on that first launch. As of as of 201 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: May seven, the oldest person to apply was seventy one 202 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: years old, UM, which seems like probably he won't be chosen. Yeah, no, 203 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: we don't know that for sure. And it's interesting that 204 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: how they're going to go about choosing the people who 205 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: go through this, right. There's there, there's there's first of all, 206 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of of application of selection criteria and 207 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: did you want to you want to sure sure that 208 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: they're looking for people who have the following characteristics. And 209 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: this is because they need people who are going to 210 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: be psychologically prepared for the challenge, for the training and 211 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: for the trip and to be stuck on Mars for 212 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: the rest of their lives, right, And they have to 213 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: not only be have the psychological uh foundation, but they 214 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: also need to be willing and able to pick up 215 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: new skills because clearly you're you're talking about a tiny 216 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: number of people ultimately on that colony. It's just, you know, 217 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: not not many at all, So you everyone needs to 218 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: be able to do pretty much everything. Just like astronauts 219 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: aboard the International Space Station have to be adept at 220 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: working with all the different systems and be able to 221 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: react if anything goes wrong. The same thing holds true 222 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: on the colony. So you know, it's if if you 223 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: were to apply, you'd have to be willing to go 224 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: through some very rigorous training to learn how to deal 225 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: with any situation that they can come up with that 226 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: could conceivably happen while you're on the colony. And the 227 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: plan is for about six six to seven years of 228 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: training before launch right for the first group, which you 229 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: know also television. So the characteristics they're looking for, they're 230 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: looking for resiliency, and they they break these out by 231 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: practical applications. So for resiliency, they mentioned that your thought 232 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: processes have to be persistent. You persevere and remain productive 233 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: even under difficult circumstances. You see the connection between your 234 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: internal and external self, meaning that you're very self reflective. 235 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: These get a little metaphysical as they go on. You 236 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: are at your best when things are at their worst. 237 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: That is not me, I'm already out. I mostly turned 238 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: snarky when things are at their worst. Also when they're 239 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: at their best, you have indomitable spirit. Nope, mind's totally domitable. 240 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: You understand the purpose of actions may not be clear 241 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: in the moment, but there is good reason, and you 242 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: trust those who guide you. That's terrifying to me, which 243 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: is essentially saying shut up and do your work. Um, 244 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: I understand what they're saying. They're saying like, look, we 245 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: may tell you to do something that requires you to 246 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: uh to endure uncomfortable circumstances for an extended amount of time, 247 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: but trust us, it's it's all on your best interest 248 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: that always that always gets me a little worried, uh 249 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: they and that you have a can do attitude. The 250 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: next criteria is adaptability. Clearly this would be necessary on 251 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: this kind of project, oh right, right, like like like 252 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: Jonathan was saying a second ago, you need to be 253 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: able to do everything up there, so out there right, 254 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: And I love that one of them, one of the 255 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: I won't go through all of the practical applications of 256 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: this one, but one of them is you know your 257 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: boundaries and how and when to extend them. I didn't 258 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: know the boundaries were that flexible, right, Like, I guess 259 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: if you have boundaries of watch, one of those international boundaries, 260 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: it's kind of you know, always always in question, where 261 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: it's just the dotted line instead of the solid line. 262 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: I think maybe it's like you would be willing to 263 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: do this and no more, but you in certain situations 264 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: will be willing to do more. Totally do more. Yeah again, 265 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: kind of terrifying. Um. And then next would be curiosity, which, again, 266 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: if you don't have a sense of curiosity, I can't 267 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: imagine tomorrow unless you're just sick of everyone here, of 268 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: which I mean maybe you are. Maybe you're just a 269 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: missingthroa and of total miss so it would just be 270 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: like the Algonquin Roundtable, but in space, which would be 271 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: kind of awesome. So which would I would watch that show? 272 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: And they talk about the desire to transfer knowledge to 273 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: others and not just showcasing what you know or what 274 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: others do not know. I think that knocks me out too, 275 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: because I prefer the second version of that. No, seriously, 276 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: that's one thing I actually do like. I like to 277 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: I like to share knowledge because I find knowledge exciting. 278 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: That's that's probably why you're on a podcast that that 279 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: is a couple of them. And then there's the ability 280 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: to trust, which would be very important since you're working 281 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: with people who you know your life depends upon the work, 282 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: just as their lives depend upon yours. And then you 283 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: have to be creative and resourceful, which means that you know, 284 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: I kind of have a hacker mentality that if a 285 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: problem comes up, you find a way to solve it, 286 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: even if you don't have a like a a manual 287 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: that tells you what to do in that specific situation, 288 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: that you can adapt to the situation as necessary. You know, 289 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: maybe the manual tells you to react in a specific 290 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: way if one particular situation arises, but maybe the situation 291 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: is more complicated than that, and you can't just do 292 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: one solution because that's not going to meet all the 293 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: criteria to fix the problem. That's why you have to 294 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: be both creative and resourceful. So that's that's like the 295 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: basic um features that they're looking for in the people 296 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: who apply, and then the way they choose or the 297 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: way they start to narrow down the candidates is also 298 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: kind of interesting. Like I said, the applicant pool was 299 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: opened up on April twenty two, I said April. It 300 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: was on April. And it costs. It does cost money 301 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: to apply, between five and seventy five dollars, depending on 302 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: the wealth of your country of origin. Gotcha, So if 303 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: you're from a more affluent country than your your application 304 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: fee will be higher. I think the fee here in 305 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: the United States is thirty eight dollars. Interesting, So it's 306 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: thirty eight that I'm curious to see which countries are 307 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: on the top of the scale. I did not look 308 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: that up, so I have no idea, But I'm just 309 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: wondering out loud, because you know, it's that it's that 310 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: national pride coming out. What do you mean thirty eight dollars, 311 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: Why aren't we seventy five? Not that I'm applying this. 312 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: This this applicant pool is going to be pared down 313 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: during the course of several rounds. Um. The first is 314 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: by popularity because part of the application is is you 315 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: know your your resume and this very short psychological work up, 316 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: and then part of it is a YouTube video that 317 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: you are supposed to upload. So how many people are 318 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: watching and liking your video? It's like having a cloud 319 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: score for going to Mars. Yeah, and again I could 320 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: see someone who is just really misanthropic winning just because 321 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: people are like, get rid of this guy shooting him 322 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: into space. Um. So so, so the this first round 323 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: is going to be by the by the popularity of 324 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: your of your YouTube video. It's like American Idol, but 325 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: you shoot him into space ahead, um and uh, and 326 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: and by by the application material the company is actually 327 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: looking at your resume. Right, Um, I don't want to 328 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: send a whole bunch of people who obviously have no 329 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: business working any kind of intricate system. Yeah right, there's 330 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: there's no point in advancing those people to the next round. 331 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: The next round, speaking of, is going to be a 332 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: selected down by region and based on the person's health. 333 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: Various background checks and in person interviews also very important. Obviously, 334 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: you want to have people who have those features we 335 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: talked about earlier, that are well rounded, that can work 336 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: well with others. You don't want to uh send a 337 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: bunch of psychopaths up in Mars, people who don't care 338 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: about anyone else, because that would be well counterproductive to 339 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: the mission at large. Sure, sure, missing tropes, yes, Uh, 340 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: total psychopaths, no, not so much. No. Um, after that, 341 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: you're going to start seeing more of a more of 342 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: a crowdsourcing process, um via via reality TV shows, um, 343 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: Internet polls, stuff like that. Right, even when they narrow 344 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: this down to their pool of potential astronauts, and I 345 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: think they're they were aiming to get to around forty 346 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: total when they finally boil it down. I've seen a 347 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: couple of different numbers. But but but yeah, the idea 348 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: being that not all forty of those people would necessarily 349 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: end up on those colonies. It's rather that this is 350 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: the pool of astronauts that could go up and uh 351 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: then h throughout the television series, we might even see 352 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: something where the audience decides which are which four would 353 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: be the first ones to go, right right, it's going 354 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: to be they're they're gonna start naring it down by 355 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: by TV and stuff and uh to two people, a 356 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 1: man and a woman would be selected from each applicant country. Um, 357 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: and then they will them plus a few judge favorites 358 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: who are not crowdsourced, will proceed to an international round 359 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: and then be grouped into four's, um, some fifty teams 360 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: of four and uh, which which will be narrowed to 361 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: six teams who will train full time. So then you're down. 362 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: Then you're down to that, right right? Um? And then yeah, 363 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: that would be when um, they would select whatever groups 364 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: are ready to go. The company would select the groups 365 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: that they think are good to actually astronaut and um, 366 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: and then the world gets to call in and vote 367 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: on which people get shot into space. This is incredible, 368 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: all right? And then um, uh, you had a specific 369 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: quote from someone who had applied, right, Yeah. NBC News 370 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: found out that sci fi author David brynn Um, who 371 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: wrote for example, The Postman, I Believe and and a 372 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff, he told HIMBC that people who 373 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: can't imagine any sane person making this choice. Uh, editors note, 374 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: did the choice to go to Mars forever and never 375 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: come back simply aren't envisioning the wide range of human diversity. 376 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: Um And and was just talking about, you know the 377 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: fact that he's got three kids, and that at the 378 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: very earliest state that Mars one was going to launch, 379 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: he he would be he would be seventy five, which 380 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: means his kids are grown up and on there. They're 381 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: doing their own thing at that point there in their careers. 382 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: So it's not like it's not like he's abandoning children. Sure, sure, 383 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: and you know, he might choose to to spend these 384 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: last few years years of his life doing something truly 385 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: remarkable interesting. And we should say that the the early 386 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: stages of this would require uh, the candidates who were 387 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: selected to move on in the process to go undergo 388 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: some extensive training, like we've mentioned before, but they'd probably 389 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: be going someplace really remote and pretty desolate. Yeah. One 390 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: one of the plans of the group is to UM 391 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: to create on Earth in in in some cold desolate 392 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: desert tundra kind of area, a UM a little foe 393 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: Mars base for training purposes. That will become really important 394 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: because you have to you know, you have to understand 395 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: what are what's the harsh reality of trying to live 396 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: on Mars. But before we jump into that discussion, we 397 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: want to take a quick moment to thank our sponsor. Alright, 398 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: so we've laid out what the project wants to do 399 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: and kind of their general approach, the idea of sending 400 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: up supplies ahead of time and then landing people hopefully 401 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: by three um and uh four people and then initially 402 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: and then another four every two years, and that they're 403 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: having this Mars colony. So let's talk about why this 404 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: would be a monumentally difficult task, like what what are 405 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: what are the challenges that they face, because there are 406 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: quite a few. Um, you're you're you're dealing you're dealing 407 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: with not only when you get to Mars, um it 408 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: not not having an atmosphere the well has a thin atmosphere, 409 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: right correct, Sorry, and not having the atmosphere that Earth 410 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: does that lets you you know, go out barefoot and 411 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: walk around, right, Um yeah, not only that, but there's uh, 412 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: well we'll get into it. Let's let's start with them. Well, 413 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: let's start with the dirt. Yeah, because because Mars dirt 414 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: is toxic. Yeah, just like Britney Spears. No, wait, she 415 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: just did that song. That's I guess. I guess you 416 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: could say either one that you wanted to. I'm not 417 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: going to argue either point. Okay, So the dust that 418 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: covers Mars is called regular If I am pronouncing that correctly, 419 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: are excellent win Um it's it's really human unfriendly it. 420 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: UM contains a bunch of things, for example, bowl uh perchlorate, perchlorate, 421 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: thank you, which which is a group of chemicals that 422 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: are used as oxidizers in rocket fuel. And if that 423 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: doesn't give you an indication, it sucks to to breathe in. 424 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: Exposure can can cause serious damage to your thyroid UM, 425 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: which is an important bit. UM. Lots of silicates UM, 426 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: silicate silic UH, most commonly including feldspar, pyroxine, and olivine, 427 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: all of which react with water to form hydrogen, peroxide, 428 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: hydroxyl and superoxide UM, all of which quartz dust does. 429 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: And UM is blamed for things like lung cancer and 430 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: UH silicosis in miners, which which basically means that you 431 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: inhale this this dust and it reacts with the water 432 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 1: in your lungs and it is not good, right right, 433 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: This is it starts to form chemicals that can be 434 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: very harmful and lead us to a not living situation, 435 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: right right. Another another thing in there is gypsum um, 436 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: which is a self fate mineral that forms again in 437 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: the presence of water. This one isn't actually toxic the 438 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: way that the silicates are, but on the level of 439 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: coal dust, it is an eye, skin and respiratory irritant. 440 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: So obviously we would have to take precautions against getting 441 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: dust into any habitable area in the Mars one colony, 442 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: right and again because of the atmosphere situation, you're not 443 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: going to have people running around barefoot in Mars dust. However, 444 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: it's a very sticky substance really, and especially due to um. 445 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: Just like static electricity, it's going to wind up getting 446 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: on all the equipment, and you know, even if you 447 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: get it out through through air filters in some kind 448 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: of airlock, it's going to get into the system. Yeah, 449 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things where you really have 450 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,479 Speaker 1: to design like a clean room type environment, the same 451 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: kind of environments that we think of for creating a microprocessor, 452 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: where even a single mode of dust can ruin a 453 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: sheet of silicon wafers when you're trying to design a microprocessor, 454 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: because you're designing things with such a tiny scale, we 455 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: would need that level of precision too to ensure the 456 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: health of anyone who's living on one of these colonies. 457 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: Not to say that it can't be done, but when 458 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: you are doing this on another planet that's already essentially 459 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: trying to kill you, it's a really really tough challenge. 460 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: The way the way I've seen it described is that 461 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: it's it's not so much that at a certain point 462 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: you're never going to get the dirt completely separated from 463 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: your living quarters, and so it's almost more of a 464 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: of a what can we do to combat the issues 465 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: that this dirt is going to cause some sort of 466 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: chemical scrubbing process that could make this inert, or or 467 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: some kind of medical process that we can act upon 468 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: the poor human people that are out there, because it's 469 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna affect them. Right to to even think 470 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: that we could create a system that would negate all 471 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: of this is probably being a little too Yeah. Ye, 472 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: you definitely can't just assume that, because as soon as 473 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: you do, then tragedy can strike. Well. There there are 474 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: other challenges as well, not just the the dirt, Uh, 475 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: there's also radiation before you even get to the planet. Yeah, 476 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: because the journey to Mars is going to take months. Uh. 477 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,239 Speaker 1: And that's because the way that Mars and Earth line up, 478 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: you have to figure out the right trajectory to launch 479 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: to get from Earth or even Earth's orbit uh to 480 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: Mars in the most efficient way possible. So when the 481 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: Curiosity Rover launched, you know, if you were to look 482 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: at the closest point between well, when Earth and Mars 483 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: were closest together, if you were somehow able to maintain 484 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: that distance and go from Earth to Mars, it might 485 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: take you a few months to get there. It took 486 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: Curiosity Rover more than I think, like eight months to 487 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: get there. You might say, well, why is that so, Well, 488 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: it's because we can't get those plants to stop moving. 489 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: They keep going around the Sun, which continues moving through 490 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: space itself. So what you're talking about is trying to 491 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: create a trajectory that's the most efficient pathway between Earth 492 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: and Mars. And it's not it's not a straight line 493 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: because you can't do that. You know, you would end 494 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: up being where Mars was as opposed to where it is, 495 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: so you have to actually aim for where Mars will be. 496 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: So uh, that means that your journey through space is 497 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: going to take some time. If if you did it 498 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: at the speed of light, it would be fourteen minutes. 499 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: We cannot go at the speed of flames, right, so 500 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: it's going to take months to get there. And the 501 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: downside of that is that space has got some nasty 502 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: radiation out there that can kill you. Um. So if 503 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: the vacuum is not bad enough, the radiation is worse. 504 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: So on Earth we are very well protected. In fact, 505 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why we have life as we 506 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: know it here on our planet is because our plant 507 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: has two things really helping us out. One is the 508 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: atmosphere we have, which helps reduce the energy of any 509 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: incoming radiation. Radiation particles coming into the atmosphere slow stuff down. Um. 510 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: And then also we have a magnetosphere, this magnetic field 511 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: that surrounds the Earth that repels a lot of the 512 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: particles that otherwise we bombard our planet. Mars has a 513 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: very thin atmosphere, so it's not as protective, and there 514 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: is no magnetosphere around Mars, so there's not that magnetic 515 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: You know, you can think of it almost like a 516 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,719 Speaker 1: force field. There's not that magnetic field that can repel 517 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: uh charged particles as they come blasting through space. And 518 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: what's blasting them, you might ask, the Sun. Yep, yep, 519 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: the same thing that allows life to happen here on 520 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: Earth in almost every case. I mean, there's some some 521 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: life out there that that relies on chemicals that produced geothermically, 522 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: but but most of it is through some kind of 523 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: root of photosynthesis and then eating things that are synthesis 524 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: exactly so, so the Sun is responsible for most of 525 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: the life on Earth. It's also blasting out stuff that 526 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: would kill you. Now you might think, well, what about 527 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: people who are aboard the space station. How do they 528 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: managed to stay up there so long? It's a lot 529 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: of shielding, and they're still inside the magnetic field of Earth, correct, 530 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: And they're really only supposed to stay there for a 531 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: few months at a time. It's one of one of 532 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: the many reasons why they try to bring people back 533 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: pretty right, right, Yeah, Another one being things like bone loss, 534 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: which you can suffer if you're out in space for 535 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: a very long time. So if you are going out 536 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: from Earth to Mars, you will eventually get to a 537 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: point where you leave Earth's magnetic field while you're in space, 538 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: and once you leave that magnetic field, the only protection 539 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: you have from this kind of radiation this cosmic radiation, 540 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: and and it's radiation in a different form than you know. 541 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: It's not energy beams coming at you like you would 542 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: think in a in a nineteen fifties science fiction film. 543 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: Cosmic radiation or cosmic rays are not made up of 544 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: light energy. They're actually, uh, a nuclei of adams like 545 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: hydrogen and helium and iron that are traveling at hundreds 546 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: of thousands of kilometers per second through space that have 547 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: been ejected by the Sun. And that the In fact, 548 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: the University of Rochester Medical Center published a study not 549 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: that long ago that suggested that long exposure to this 550 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: kind of radiation could increase the risk of developing diseases 551 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: like Alzheimer's. So, uh, you know, exposure to this stuff 552 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: is dangerous. So you would have to build some form 553 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: of shielding within your spacecraft so that if there were 554 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: a period of cosmic radiation, the Sun's not constantly blasting 555 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: this stuff out. It comes in these little short bursts. 556 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: But if you were to detect such a burst coming 557 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: at the spacecraft. You would have to be able to 558 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: go into a specially shielded compartment and waited out and 559 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: it usually lasts a few hours. So actually Mars one 560 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: is fairly cavalier and saying like it wouldn't be a 561 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: very comfortable, uh situation. You'd be kind of in cramped 562 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: quarters for about you know, three or four hours, but 563 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, after it's over you can come out. It 564 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: sounds to me like you would be essentially need to 565 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: knee with the rather astronauts waiting for waiting for this 566 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: to finish. Well, but you're clearly best friends with them, 567 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: after going through six years of extensive training on a 568 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: desert base on Earth, hoping no one TV cameras in 569 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: your face because no one has the cracks under that 570 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: kind of pressure, right, and hoping that no one had 571 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: the chili, uh space meal just for you to go 572 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: in there. Yes, space chili be bad boy. Chris would 573 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: have appreciated that joke like crazy. Well, anyway, that's something 574 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: you would really have to deal with on that whole 575 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: trip from Earth to Mars. Once you get the Mars, 576 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: the thin atmosphere does provide some protection. Uh. In fact, 577 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,479 Speaker 1: I saw one report that suggested that, uh, information from 578 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: the Curiosity rover may show that it's non lethal levels 579 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: of radiation. Now that does not mean that there would 580 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, you might. It might still increase your chance, says, 581 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: of developing certain diseases, but they it wouldn't outright kill you. 582 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: Like there there are radiation levels that are so high 583 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: as to give you radiation poisoning, which can be lethal. 584 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: But the point that he was making was that, Uh, 585 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: they aren't that intense on Mars. Now we're recording this, 586 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: uh just a day before NASA releases more information about 587 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: the radiation on Mars. So, um, by the time you 588 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: hear this, we'll know more about it. But Lauren and 589 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: I don't because we can't see into the future. So 590 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,720 Speaker 1: how does Mars one expect to deal with the radiation 591 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: problem on Mars? Well, even with it being non lethal, 592 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: obviously you don't want to have prolonged exposure to radiation 593 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: if you can help it. So they are proposing that 594 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: they will have the habitat part of Mars one, the 595 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: place where the astronauts actually look, or the colonists, if 596 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: you prefer, where they actually live and do most of 597 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: their work will be underground. So somehow using rovers, they're 598 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: gonna launch rovers up before they launch launching, along with 599 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: some supplies and stuff like that. In fact, I think 600 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: the first the first scheduled landing would be just supplies, 601 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: and then the second round would have the first rover landing. 602 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: The rovers are going to be these robotic rovers, just 603 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: kind of similar to the Curiosity rover, but with a 604 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: lot of construction ability, like they'd obviously have to be 605 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: able to dig out and put up structures for the 606 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: incoming colonists. The idea being that the colonists would arrive 607 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: in mostly everything would already be together, right right, Yeah, 608 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: the I've got a little bit about the timeline, do 609 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: you want me to do? Well, yeah, sure, we can 610 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that and then jump back 611 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: to to this. But well, let me just say this. 612 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: The whole idea about putting it underground is that by 613 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: being under the soil, which we've already established is dangerous 614 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: stuff all on its own, the soil would protect against radiation, 615 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: and that, according to mars One's frequently asked question section 616 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: five meters of soil, which is about sixteen point four 617 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: feet of soil, would be equivalent to being protected by 618 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: Earth's atmosphere and magnetosphere, so they would dig down five 619 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 1: meters and put the habitats that far down, so almost 620 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: two stories if you're thinking of of of a building, 621 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: so you would imagine that you would arrive on Mars 622 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: and then go down two flights of stairs and be 623 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: two flights of stairs underground and that's where you live. Right. 624 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 1: The The idea is to UM UH launch supply missions 625 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 1: starting in UM, rover launch in UM. Also starting at 626 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: that point a live video stream from from the rover, 627 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: which features heavily in their their stated timelines on their website, 628 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: which cracks me up just a little bit. And I 629 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: understand that this is how they're making money, but it's 630 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: you know, they're very like scientific advancement live on video, 631 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: and I don't know, it's it it tickles me. UM, 632 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: but we're in that post real world world. I guess yeah, 633 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: it's it's it's true. UM. But so so yeah, so 634 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: and then would be when UM the settlement components would launch, 635 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: including two living units to life support units, more supplies, 636 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: and a second rover along with the second video stream UM. 637 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: And then yeah, and then again, like we said two, 638 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: would be when the astronauts would launch and would be 639 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: when they would land, along with UM five other cargo 640 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: missions that year. Yeah, and the rover's job would be 641 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: to actually collect those uh, those bits that landed and 642 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: and to put them together and to assemble them. And 643 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,399 Speaker 1: and that blows my mind. The idea of a rover 644 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: capable of of maneuvering, lifting, carrying, and positioning these various 645 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,879 Speaker 1: modular components so that it can make a living space 646 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: for the astronauts by the time they land. That's a 647 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: really sophisticated job for a robot to do. And and 648 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: robotics is advancing continually. But they're talking about launching this 649 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: critter in that's five years off, right, which means that 650 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: they have to start building it right now. They can't. 651 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: You know, these things take a lot of time because 652 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: they have to build it, they have to test it, 653 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 1: make sure that's going to withstand the pressures that needs 654 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: to that can actually fulfill the functions of the mission 655 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: before they even try and launch one. And of course 656 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: it's also all assumes that all these launches are successful, 657 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: and I mean, we certainly hope they are, but there's 658 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: never a guarantee, you know, you can never be completely certain. Uh. 659 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: Going back to the Mars one fact about the the radiation, 660 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: they also had this helpful section which I found, uh 661 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: again a little scary. As described in an F. A. A. 662 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: And University study from two thousand five, a journey to 663 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: Mars and back. In the case of the study, toting 664 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: five or six days in space would mean the chance 665 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: of contracting cancer for twenty five to thirty four year 666 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: olds is around ten for men and seventeen percent for women. 667 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: But let's compare it to people who do not go 668 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,479 Speaker 1: to Mars in their lifetimes. Men have a twelve percent 669 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: chance of contracting prostate cancer and women have twelve point 670 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: five percent chance developing breast cancer. Or let's compare it 671 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 1: to people who smoke. Smoking more than five cigarettes a 672 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: day leads to a twenty four point six percent chance 673 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: of developing lung cancer for men in their lifetimes and 674 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: eighteen point five percent for women. And finally, our restaurants 675 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: will spend only two d to two hundred twenty days 676 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: in space compared to five hundred thirty six days in 677 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: the study mentioned above. Staying in Mars will result in 678 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: much lower doses, even if astronauts stay for a long time. 679 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 1: These these numbers, Um, I didn't actually you would put 680 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: them in our notes and I and I kind of 681 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: glanced over them, and I was just noticing that that's 682 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: not necessarily those numbers don't all align because we're talking 683 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: about very specific different types of cancer caused by very 684 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 1: specific carcinogens, not to mention different time frames. They talked 685 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: about how the lifetime versus o a lifetime groups and 686 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: exactly a lifetime versus a trip. This is a tiny 687 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: bit misleading and shockingly unscientific for a group of people 688 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: who are looking to go to Mars. Right. Yeah, when 689 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: you say a tiny bit misleading, you are understating it drastically. 690 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: I think I think you're giving them too much credit 691 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: because uh, and I mean, I want us to have 692 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: colonies on the Moon and on Mars. Trust me, I 693 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 1: think that that would be amazing and a phenomenal human achievement. 694 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: But I don't think we get there by downplaying some 695 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: of the very real, uh challenges we face and and 696 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: the way that this is worded. I agree with you, Lauren, 697 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: this is not a very realistic like it's it's like 698 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: smoke and mirrors, right, because you're you're saying, hey, Look, 699 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: you might have if you were in going on the space, 700 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: you might have a increase in developing cancer, But throughout 701 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: your life you could have this much. Yeah, but we're 702 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 1: not talking about throughout my life. I'm talking about like 703 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: on a road trip. And also especially when you're when 704 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: you're recruiting essentially civilians to to get into this project. 705 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: It's it's so hazardously misleading to put those kind of 706 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: numbers in someone's head without without That's that's irresponsible, is 707 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 1: what that is. When you're encouraging eighteen year olds to 708 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,399 Speaker 1: hop on YouTube and apply for your program, and you're 709 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: and you're basically lying to them with statistics, right, if 710 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: you're not lying, I just went off a little bit. 711 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: You should You should know. That's why I included that 712 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 1: what Jonathan does, That's why I included those bullets because 713 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: when I read that, I had that same reaction that 714 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: you did. But I also, you know, took a ben 715 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 1: drole before I came in here, so I'm a little calmer. 716 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: I wasn't doing it to calm myself down. I was 717 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 1: doing it because you know, spring has sprung. So then 718 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about life support systems. Now. I was very 719 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: curious to hear how they were going to provide life 720 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: support on Mars. We've already ascertained the soil is dangerous, 721 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: the atmosphere is not breathable, So how do you you know? 722 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 1: And and getting supplies from Earth while that will continue 723 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: to be a thing, obviously that's not going to be 724 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: steady and constant. You're going to get them in in 725 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: bursts of deliveries. And that you have to have some 726 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: sort of self sustaining element or else. You know, what 727 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: happens when teah Eventually everyone gets dysentery, Space dysentery. What happened? 728 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,399 Speaker 1: My My question is if let's say that, let's say 729 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: that you don't have that self sustaining element there, what 730 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: happens when the television show gets canceled? Right? That's that's 731 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,959 Speaker 1: a sobering thought. I mean, the main way that they're 732 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: going to be able to have to keep people alive 733 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: on another planet is through television. If people stop watching television, 734 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: people die, right, I mean, that's that's what the story is. 735 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: So you have to have some sort of self sustaining 736 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,720 Speaker 1: element to it, or else you're you are consigning people 737 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: too potential Nielsen rating actual death. Yeah, like your show died, 738 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,280 Speaker 1: So did your astronauts. I mean that's terrible. But anyway, 739 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: so so they have addressed that and this is how 740 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: they plan on providing life support. So what are the 741 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: things they're gonna need. They're gonna need water. Well, they're 742 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: saying what they're going to do is they're going to 743 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 1: extract water from the soil of Mars, this incredibly toxic stuff. 744 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: Uh what but but we know that Mars has some 745 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: ice on it. So the plan is to dig up 746 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: huge amounts of dirt and put them through what are 747 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: called extractors, and the extractors will heat up the soil, 748 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,919 Speaker 1: which will melt the ice and turn it into water 749 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: vapor u. It will then condense and filter that water 750 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: vapor to turn it back into water, and then that 751 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: water will become the drinking water and also the water 752 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:56,320 Speaker 1: for the food supply aboard the colony, aboard at the colony. 753 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 1: And uh, the idea would that be the each life 754 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: of unit on Mars would have about fifteen hundred liters 755 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,800 Speaker 1: of reserve water as well as the water that's actually 756 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: providing to the colony on a daily basis. So that way, 757 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: by the way, they're getting power through solar panels. That's 758 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 1: the ideas they used. They use solar panel arrays to 759 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 1: generate the electricity they need to run the colony. But 760 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: in the case of something like a dust storm where 761 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: you don't get that solar power, you have to be 762 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 1: able to still have access to the things that keep 763 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: us alive, or you've just again killed the entire colony. Um. 764 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 1: So that that's how they're answering water. So what about oxygen, Well, oxygen, 765 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: they're also looking at the water. Some of that water 766 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: that they will be gathering from the soil, they expect 767 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: to pour some energy into it to break those molecular bonds. 768 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: And we know that the two elements that make up 769 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: water are hydrogen and oxygen. So you release hydrogen and 770 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: you release oxygen. The oxygen you then mixed with nitrogen, 771 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: which you can get from Mars's atmosphere and make it 772 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: into an a breathable mix, because pure oxygen would not 773 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: be a good idea. You want to mix that. You know, 774 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: here on Earth, the most abundant element in our atmosphere 775 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: is nitrogen. You know some people don't know that, but 776 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,879 Speaker 1: that's in fact what their oxygen will mostly get you high. Yeah, 777 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 1: and then dead, and then you can you can't have 778 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: you can have pure oxygen um for long anyway, So 779 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 1: you would mix that together to make the habitats air supply, 780 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: not the band. And then finally, where are they getting 781 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 1: the food? And some of the foods coming from earth, 782 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: they will be supplied, but that's supposed to be the 783 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: kind of like emergency rations. The plan is to use 784 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,360 Speaker 1: hydroponic farms. Hydroponic farms don't require soil to grow plants 785 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: and to use special L e d s to provide 786 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,399 Speaker 1: the specific wavelengths of light that those plants will need 787 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,919 Speaker 1: to grow. So these L E d s will because 788 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: their l eds they draw a very little power, so 789 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about running a whole lot 790 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: of power to them. They will then give that that 791 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,240 Speaker 1: specific wavelength that will give the plants the best chance 792 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: to really grow in that environment. And since since we're 793 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: doing this all of us underground, you don't have the 794 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: cheery Martian sunshine to fuel year right exactly, so so 795 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,799 Speaker 1: you've got you're you're doing it all inside. That will 796 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: also mean that uh, it'll use the carbon dioxide generated 797 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: not just by people breathing, but they'll they'll also harvest 798 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: CEO two from the Martian atmosphere as well, and so 799 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 1: that that's how they answer the water, oxygen, and food problems. Uh. 800 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 1: That sounds like an oversimplification to me too. Again, this 801 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,320 Speaker 1: is talking about systems that we have not we've proven 802 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 1: that they can work on Earth, but you know, to 803 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,320 Speaker 1: expect that all of these are going to work on 804 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: Mars is uh? I mean, I would hope they would, 805 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 1: but it seems very optimistic, especially within the timeline that 806 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: they have granted, because we haven't run those kind of 807 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,879 Speaker 1: tests to make sure that we could do this kind 808 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: of thing. Um, And I would kind of want us 809 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: to have a pretty confident, a pretty high confidence level 810 00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: that would work. But if one of the astronauts especially, 811 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 1: I would want that thing. And they're talking, they're talking 812 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: about the habitats and the rooms that they're in being 813 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,280 Speaker 1: in these inflated uh uh essentially kind of like inflated 814 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: tents in a way, which makes me wonder how they 815 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 1: design it so it can withstand the fact that there 816 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: are nearly seventeen feet of soil on top of them. 817 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 1: All the all the all the artistic drawings of the 818 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: plans that I've seen have have been these these kind 819 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,479 Speaker 1: of bubbly little capsules above ground, so I'm not sure. 820 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: And those are supposed to be the other like the 821 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: life support units and stuff, the habitats, the places where 822 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 1: people live are supposed to be undergrad Like if you 823 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,799 Speaker 1: look at some of those pictures, you'll see like there 824 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 1: there seems to be something that looks like a tunnel 825 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,959 Speaker 1: that's built up a dome of earth. But yeah, I don't, don't. 826 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and it's I think it's fair 827 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,080 Speaker 1: to to kind of put this stuff out there, and 828 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: especially since they're doing this essentially for profit, um and 829 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: it's all proprietary, keeping everything a little bit close to 830 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,680 Speaker 1: the chest, I could, I could Devil's add get being 831 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: part of their strategy. Well. And also there's there's an 832 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 1: argument that you can make saying that, uh, we're working 833 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: on the initial stuff now, we have the plan to 834 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 1: launch by and between now and then, we may have 835 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 1: developed the technology necessary to meet those challenges. I guess 836 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,279 Speaker 1: this is the same sort of thing questions, right, Yeah, 837 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,800 Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's it's my My biggest question honestly, 838 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,719 Speaker 1: is is why we're looking at Mars and not say 839 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,279 Speaker 1: the Moon. I have that same question. I think, well, 840 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got some other problems with the Moon. 841 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: You have a one six the Earth's gravity, for example, 842 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: which again raises the question of things like bone loss. 843 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: And the Moon is actually more toxic than Mars from 844 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,320 Speaker 1: what I understand, um, in terms of the particulate, but 845 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,480 Speaker 1: it's also much closer, very much closer. If things go wrong, 846 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,840 Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to correct, right, you're talking, And 847 00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: we've already got the the experience of sending people there 848 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,479 Speaker 1: and coming back, you know, unless you believe the whole 849 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,400 Speaker 1: uh television studio thing. Uh but but that did go 850 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: to the Moon in nineteen one, but the nine one 851 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,360 Speaker 1: was on a movie studio, was on general ben that 852 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 1: that aside. I mean, it's my just just the ethical 853 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 1: questions that this raises of whether or not it's it's 854 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 1: okay too to a send people to Mars on one 855 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: way ticket at all, and and be to do it 856 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,839 Speaker 1: under the restrictions of reality TV. I mean, I think 857 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,400 Speaker 1: that anyone who's watched any amount of reality TV has 858 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,880 Speaker 1: seen that group breakdown that inevitably happens and is and 859 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: is partially um I think fabricated for the enjoyment or 860 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,360 Speaker 1: or at least schadenfreud of the viewers wherein the group 861 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,400 Speaker 1: just hates each other and and someone gets kind of 862 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,319 Speaker 1: Lord of the flies out, and I just don't. I don't. 863 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,239 Speaker 1: I don't want to watch that. I I don't. I mean, 864 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, of course I want to watch 865 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 1: people go to Mars. That's terrific and scinat against science 866 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,399 Speaker 1: and in a human exploration. But at the same time, 867 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,560 Speaker 1: I don't. I almost don't that thinking about it makes 868 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,200 Speaker 1: me nervous for those poor people. And and you know 869 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:15,279 Speaker 1: it very well. Maybe that the popular approach that they're taking, 870 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,680 Speaker 1: this this kind of you know, pop culture approach almost 871 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 1: to the whole project, uh is is really not indicative 872 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,279 Speaker 1: of how serious they are. So a lot of the 873 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,880 Speaker 1: judgments that we're making, a lot of the conclusions we 874 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,480 Speaker 1: are drawing, it's all based off of the approach we 875 00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 1: have seen. So maybe a lot of our concerns that 876 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,640 Speaker 1: we've raised are already well in hand. We you know, 877 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and say that might be the case, 878 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,200 Speaker 1: uh And it very well could be. That's just our 879 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,320 Speaker 1: ignorance of the project that leads us to the skepticism. 880 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: But anytime you're talking about people's lives, I think critical 881 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,440 Speaker 1: thought and skepticism need to be employed, uh fully, so 882 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,800 Speaker 1: that you can make sure that these people know what 883 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,880 Speaker 1: they're doing. They are very serious about it actually succeeding. 884 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,240 Speaker 1: They're going to take every precaution they can to protect 885 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 1: the people's lives who are involved, that the mental and 886 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,719 Speaker 1: physical health of these people, and and to to If 887 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,800 Speaker 1: all of that pans out, then the potential scientific information 888 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,320 Speaker 1: we can get from this experiment would be amazing and 889 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,200 Speaker 1: be phenomenal. So I want it to work. I really do, 890 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,239 Speaker 1: and and like, like, like we say a lot here 891 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: and also on our other podcasts, forward thinking, even if 892 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't work out, even just trying could lead to 893 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,680 Speaker 1: terrific scientific advancement, right, I mean, the space industry alone 894 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 1: has created so many different advancements in technology and just 895 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,759 Speaker 1: things that we rely on on a daily basis now 896 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,560 Speaker 1: that that could very well be the case. So I 897 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,400 Speaker 1: really do hope that that all of this is completely 898 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,719 Speaker 1: on the up and up, and that uh that we 899 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,600 Speaker 1: see some real results from this. I just you know, 900 00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,879 Speaker 1: it's just enough warning flags for me to be really 901 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: cautious about it. But at the same time, like, if 902 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 1: there's no risk, there's no reward, right, And I know 903 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of astronauts out there who 904 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 1: have done some phenomenal things that a lot of us 905 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 1: would consider crazy. I mean it was just people from 906 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,440 Speaker 1: from the test pilots who are first testing the the 907 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: spacecraft before it ever left the Earth's atmosphere, to the 908 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 1: people who have gone up to the Moon or the 909 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 1: International Space Station. These are phenomenal feats and they require 910 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,280 Speaker 1: a great deal of courage and determination, more than I possess, frankly, 911 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,800 Speaker 1: and I think it would be a shame to not 912 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: encourage that. I definitely want to see that kind of 913 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,200 Speaker 1: indomitable spirit continue. I just want to make sure that's 914 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,359 Speaker 1: the right the right project. And uh, and so far, 915 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm not fully convinced with Mars one. That's not to 916 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: say that maybe in a year, maybe I'm I'll be 917 00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,880 Speaker 1: I'll say, oh, they've met every single one of my 918 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,840 Speaker 1: concerns with lying colors, and now I'm totally on board. 919 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,040 Speaker 1: It could happen, but but we'll have to we'll have 920 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,359 Speaker 1: to see what what develops. Yeah, what would it take 921 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 1: for you to go to Mars, Lauren, I would not 922 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: go to Mars. I mean, I just nope, especially in 923 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: their restraints. I mean, to be fair. I also would 924 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,719 Speaker 1: not appear on a reality TV show period, So that 925 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,239 Speaker 1: attitude news for you, Lauren. There are cameras everywhere I've 926 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,759 Speaker 1: been doing the house stuff works reality TV show we 927 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,319 Speaker 1: launch any minute now. It's mostly us sitting at our 928 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,080 Speaker 1: desks with headphones on, not paying attention to each other. 929 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,160 Speaker 1: It's not terribly exciting, I'll admit, but you know, I've 930 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 1: got high hopes. Occasionally see things like Josh talks to Chuck. 931 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,360 Speaker 1: I expected to drive a lot of views. I also 932 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,560 Speaker 1: would not go to Mars unless there was a return ticket, 933 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,200 Speaker 1: in which case maybe, But but with no return ticket, 934 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,080 Speaker 1: not all my stuff is here. So that alone makes 935 00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,080 Speaker 1: it really hard for me to say goodbye. Yeah, not 936 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,520 Speaker 1: that I'm a materialist, but come on, you know my 937 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,520 Speaker 1: Xbox is over here. I worked hard on that gamer score. 938 00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,480 Speaker 1: It's totally alive. I've got a terrible gamer score. Well, anyway, 939 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,279 Speaker 1: that's our our overlook of of Mars one. I really 940 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,040 Speaker 1: do hope that if this doesn't work out, I hope 941 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,279 Speaker 1: some other project that's kind of takes uh note of 942 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,840 Speaker 1: it and and tries to address some of the concerns 943 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,759 Speaker 1: that we have and approach it from a different way. 944 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,400 Speaker 1: I hope that happens, or that they answer my concerns 945 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,160 Speaker 1: and that and that this all works out, because that 946 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,960 Speaker 1: would be phenomenal. So um, we'll have to wait and 947 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,759 Speaker 1: see find out if this actually pans out. And uh, 948 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,960 Speaker 1: and guys, if you were interested in this topic, let 949 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 1: us know what you thought. Let us know. Would you 950 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,800 Speaker 1: go to Mars? Is that something you would be interested 951 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,600 Speaker 1: in doing? Would you be able to say goodbye to 952 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,960 Speaker 1: everything else and and spend the rest of your life 953 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,160 Speaker 1: on a totally different planet? Have any of you applied yet? Yeah, 954 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,239 Speaker 1: we want to hear from you. Let us know. You 955 00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,759 Speaker 1: can write us our email addresses tech stuff at Discovery 956 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,239 Speaker 1: dot com or to office. A line on Facebook or 957 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,800 Speaker 1: Twitter are handled. There is tech stuff hs W. You 958 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,480 Speaker 1: look forward to hearing from you, and we'll talk to 959 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:16,440 Speaker 1: you again. Really sad for more on this and thousands 960 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,799 Speaker 1: of other topics. Is it how stuff works dot Com