Speaker 1: Also media.
Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert here. First off, we are doing a
Speaker 2: rewind week because I've written two new Andrew Tait episodes,
Speaker 2: but also my Earth Day came recently. We took some
Speaker 2: time off, so we're gonna take this week to replay
Speaker 2: the first four Tait episodes with ad breaks and stuff removed.
Speaker 2: I also wanted to tell you Ed Zitron is in
Speaker 2: the running for a webby for his show Better Offline,
Speaker 2: as is Molly Conger for Weird Little Guys. Please go
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Speaker 2: You can also just google Ed Zitron, Webbies, Molly Conger
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Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with two brand new episodes
Speaker 2: on what Tait has been up to over the last
Speaker 2: couple of years and a bunch of really fucked up
Speaker 2: information that's come up. So please enjoy these episodes the
Speaker 2: reruns with less ads, and go vote in the Webbies.
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Speaker 2: Opening up another episode of The Andrew tight pood Yist. Wow,
Speaker 2: that was incredible. I think I'm gonna try my American accent. Now,
Speaker 2: I hope that's not offensive to anybody. I'm Robert Evans.
Speaker 2: This is the first and only Boston based.
Speaker 1: Podcast Behind the Past more like.
Speaker 2: Behind the Master's like like Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: It somehow keeps getting worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was pretty good. I thought that
Speaker 2: was pretty good.
Speaker 1: I would be more offended if I actually liked Boston,
Speaker 1: which I don't. So no, my god, I'm it's so
Speaker 1: bad that I started to fit. My whole face is right,
Speaker 1: and I've teared up.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: You see a lot of the times we ignore the
Speaker 2: reddit when we disagree with it, but today the subreddits
Speaker 2: filled with Bostonians saying my accent is perfect. So I
Speaker 2: have decided to take that as a mandate to continue
Speaker 2: speaking in a Boston accent. Well, everybody, this is Behind
Speaker 2: the Bastards. It's a podcast. Bad people tell you.
Speaker 4: All about it.
Speaker 1: Oh whoa. I have a Jamie loftist text that says,
Speaker 1: Butch Jack Tommy, they're on their way through Deadpool DVDs
Speaker 1: that you like throwing stars if you do not stop
Speaker 1: the Boston accent.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Jamie is not really from Boston because
Speaker 2: she's from She's from she's from Huavid Bracton. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: don't consider that Baston where I'm from, which is I
Speaker 2: don't know the parts of Boston. Look this, this joke
Speaker 2: was always going to run into the limitation of me
Speaker 2: not knowing anything about Boston. The Liberty Bell. I'm from
Speaker 2: the Liberty Bell. So yeah, that's as Boston as it gets.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they have a really shitty basketball team.
Speaker 2: I've heard that about Boston from Bostonians. Yeah. Anyway, this
Speaker 2: is this is behind the bastards we are. We are
Speaker 2: heading into veering into part three of our our epic
Speaker 2: podcast on Andrew Tait that I and all of you
Speaker 2: were cruelly forced to make because he suddenly, very suddenly
Speaker 2: became extremely relevant and all of all of this, all
Speaker 2: of our accents, all of our cross talk, is an
Speaker 2: attempt to distract ourselves from the fact that we unfortunately
Speaker 2: have to learn a lot more about Andrew Tate and
Speaker 2: and Sophie.
Speaker 4: Ian.
Speaker 2: I know I'm about to force a terrible, terrible quantity
Speaker 2: of Andrew Tate video.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I and Johnson, our editor.
Speaker 2: I Ian Johnson, our editor. Hey, champion Sweet Prince, Kickboxing
Speaker 2: champion of the World.
Speaker 4: I'm just mentally preparing myself for a bunch of horrific
Speaker 4: Andrew Tate TikTok videos. So let's do it.
Speaker 1: Not to mention one half of the DJ group Gladiator
Speaker 1: with our very own DJ Daniel, we have the we
Speaker 1: have the full Gladiator on staff, which is my favorite
Speaker 1: thing to brag about.
Speaker 2: All of these things, all of these things are true.
Speaker 2: And what's also true is that I have watched hours
Speaker 2: of Andrew Tait. The people who live with me have
Speaker 2: been miserable because while I'm cleaning the house, I've just
Speaker 2: been putting on his eight hour long videos where he
Speaker 2: tells people how to how to hustle. Yeah, I have
Speaker 2: broken my brain and now it's time for everyone else
Speaker 2: to suffer. Which could be the tagline of this show. Honestly.
Speaker 2: Uh so, yeah, let's let's let's roll into it.
Speaker 1: Don't do that to people.
Speaker 2: All of our money comes from doing it.
Speaker 1: Headphones.
Speaker 2: I am wearing headphones now when.
Speaker 1: You're listening to eight hours of entertain no.
Speaker 2: See, I mean, the whole reason this podcast works and
Speaker 2: the whole reason that I enjoy doing it is getting
Speaker 2: to make other people miserable after making myself miserable. So
Speaker 2: if I were just hiding all of the Andrew Tait
Speaker 2: and and experiencing it solo. I wouldn't enjoy it as
Speaker 2: much as like when one of my friends comes home
Speaker 2: from a long day of like teaching children at a
Speaker 2: public school and sees Andrew Tate talking about child labor
Speaker 2: on the screen of my TV, and that's just the
Speaker 2: thing that assaults them as they attempt to de stress
Speaker 2: from their day. I think that's beautiful, Sophie.
Speaker 1: I guess I know who I owe apologies to on
Speaker 1: your behalf.
Speaker 2: Oh everyone, everyone, Sophie. Uh So let's let's get back
Speaker 2: into it. When we left off there there, Andrew and
Speaker 2: Tristan Tate's webcam sex business, which was essentially just sex trafficking,
Speaker 2: had taken off. They had started making a lot of money,
Speaker 2: and they had been forced to flee the United Kingdom
Speaker 2: after committing a series of sex crimes. So they are
Speaker 2: in Romania now. Andrew Tate will and he's pretty open
Speaker 2: about this because because after this point he starts to
Speaker 2: get a lot more active on social media, particularly Instagram,
Speaker 2: and when he's doing these kind of like videos with
Speaker 2: his fans where he talks about how he got rich
Speaker 2: and how to get rich. He'll talk about why he
Speaker 2: moved to Romania, and his explanation is the sex crime
Speaker 2: laws are a lot looser there. It's a lot harder
Speaker 2: to get prosecuted because the government is more corrupt. And
Speaker 2: while I'm not a rapist, I wanted to go to
Speaker 2: a place with more freedom to commit sex crimes, which
Speaker 2: is something a rapist would say, and is in fact
Speaker 2: something a rapist did say, So it was never he
Speaker 2: was never particularly good at hiding it and spoilers. It
Speaker 2: may prove to be a bad idea to taunt the
Speaker 2: government of the country that you've moved to by calling
Speaker 2: them corrupt and saying they don't prosecute sex crimes, because
Speaker 2: Romania does actually have serious problems with sex trafficking. But
Speaker 2: it turns out a great way to get a government
Speaker 2: to take a problem seriously is to taunt them and
Speaker 2: say that they don't care about that problem. When you
Speaker 2: become incredibly famous for committing.
Speaker 1: Crimes, yeah, it's going to be good not to be advised.
Speaker 2: But that's a few years in the future, because for
Speaker 2: quite a while this happens. He moves around twenty fifteen
Speaker 2: or so, and for years he's very successful there and
Speaker 2: he's instagramming as he starts to buy these supercars, as
Speaker 2: he starts, you know, hitting the wealth level that he
Speaker 2: can fly in private jets. He's putting all of these
Speaker 2: videos out. He's engaging in stunts designed to draw attention,
Speaker 2: like promising to pay fans ten thousand dollars if they
Speaker 2: show him a good night out partying.
Speaker 4: But the catch was that, So just to be clear,
Speaker 4: all this money is from the website that him and
Speaker 4: his brother are running.
Speaker 2: Right, That's where it starts coming in from. As we'll
Speaker 2: get into and to be honest, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be able to give anyone a cohesive answer is to
Speaker 2: actually where all his money comes from because he is
Speaker 2: a criminal. But we know a lot is coming in
Speaker 2: from the cam business at this point enough that he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: promising to pay people ten grand if they show him
Speaker 2: a good night out partying, and the catches he's going
Speaker 2: to like instagram beating them up they if they don't
Speaker 2: show him a good time. One fan took him up
Speaker 2: on this and the video has been scrubbed from the internet,
Speaker 2: but the end of it, Tate's like, I had a
Speaker 2: bad time. Now you have to fight me. And this
Speaker 2: dude clearly doesn't want to fight him, and is at
Speaker 2: one point like here, I have to take my watch off,
Speaker 2: and so like Andrew looks away and then he just
Speaker 2: bolts and runs. It's like a beat from a fucking
Speaker 2: jet appataw boofy, And it works incredibly well on Andrew
Speaker 2: Tait because he is We're about to get into some
Speaker 2: of the smarter stuff he did, but he's not nearly
Speaker 2: as smart as he thinks he is, So that's fun.
Speaker 2: Twenty fourteen, I think is the year that the Tate
Speaker 2: brothers actually became millionaires. I found a compilation of Instagram
Speaker 2: footage from that time and a YouTube channel called the
Speaker 2: Tape Pill. Yeah, oh yeah, it's amazing. Let me breathe
Speaker 2: in your sorrow Sophie. Mmm, that fuels me.
Speaker 1: N I missed the Boston exit.
Speaker 2: I yeah, see that. That was the plan all along,
Speaker 2: get you to miss the Boston This Instagram footage of
Speaker 2: his like first years a millionaire. It's all shots of
Speaker 2: him driving expensive supercars, of the brother's partying of piles
Speaker 2: of cash inside of vehicles, and like there's a lot
Speaker 2: of videos of piles of cash, of women like cleaning
Speaker 2: for him. He's also really obsessed with showing like servants
Speaker 2: cleaning up for him while he does his videos. But
Speaker 2: Tait's overall image, the way he presents himself is quite
Speaker 2: different at this point. In one shot, we see him
Speaker 2: with a bunch of young women outside of a hotel
Speaker 2: or something. He's got a full head of hair, and
Speaker 2: he's wearing like a pink polo shirt and shorts. He
Speaker 2: looks like a frat brother, which is not the look
Speaker 2: that he goes for. He's kind of going for more
Speaker 2: of like a sex criminal James Bond, which also you
Speaker 2: might just call like regular James Bond if he went
Speaker 2: shirtless more often, and his his kind of modern shit.
Speaker 2: But he's he's he's definitely just kind of he's kind
Speaker 2: of basic still at this point, Yeah, which I found
Speaker 2: kind of interesting. In another shot from this compilation of
Speaker 2: photos and footage, which I again I took from a
Speaker 2: channel called the Tate Pill, we see a young woman
Speaker 2: with Tate's Girl written across her chest in sharpie. Later on,
Speaker 2: there's a woman with Tates with Tates written on her
Speaker 2: as like a tattoo. This is a thing that you
Speaker 2: should keep in mind because it's going to be relevant
Speaker 2: later and Sophie. I put a picture in there of
Speaker 2: the lady with Tate's girl written no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: let him let him see let him, let him take
Speaker 2: this in.
Speaker 4: All right, I'm ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you got that. Ian, You're feeling good.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't make me show this to you.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, now that feels bad, but okay,
Speaker 4: let's keep going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't say oh no.
Speaker 4: This whole thing is just giving me like Dan Blasarian vibes.
Speaker 4: I feel like he like saw a bunch of Dan
Speaker 4: Blasarian videos on the internet and was like, I want that,
Speaker 4: and then he just started doing it. Are you familiar
Speaker 4: with Dan Bazarian? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Dan Bulsarian, who was like this big right
Speaker 2: wing muscle gun influencer until he was present at that
Speaker 2: mass shooting in Vegas and ran away rather than rendering
Speaker 2: aid to any of the injured people. Yes, yeah, that guy,
Speaker 2: Dan Bulsarian. Great guy. Um yeah. I mean think the
Speaker 2: difference is that Tate would never have had a problem
Speaker 2: with running away from a mass shooting because a big
Speaker 2: part of his brand is you should only look out
Speaker 2: for yourself and fuck everybody else, So he could he
Speaker 2: would not have had he would not have had trouble
Speaker 2: handling that situation. Now, that video compilation of Tate and
Speaker 2: his brother when they first become millionaires is like thousands
Speaker 2: of video compilations of the Tates litter the Internet, and
Speaker 2: watching those compilations because he's been deplatformed so much, is
Speaker 2: basically the only way to consume a lot of Tate's content.
Speaker 2: And if you want to consume a lot of Tate
Speaker 2: content for some reason, he's been deplatformed for most places.
Speaker 2: We actually just lost a video where you're going to
Speaker 2: play in here, So the easiest way to find old
Speaker 2: episodes of Tate speech your various interviews is compilation videos
Speaker 2: like the one I found of pictures of him when
Speaker 2: he was first got his millions. That's something to keep
Speaker 2: in mind because it's going to be more relevant later.
Speaker 2: It's ele evidence of the kind of strategy that he
Speaker 2: actually used to get as famous as he is. But
Speaker 2: first we need to get into more of his backstory.
Speaker 2: So in twenty sixteen, mister Tate became a contestant on
Speaker 2: Big Brother, the UK reality show. Well, I guess the
Speaker 2: UK version of Big Brother, right, I think there's a
Speaker 2: bunch of versions of it. I don't know. I've never
Speaker 2: watched Big Brother, but he was on the UK version
Speaker 2: of it, and and I don't understand the rules of
Speaker 2: the show, but he came in as an other housemate,
Speaker 2: which means he had to get voted to housemate status
Speaker 2: or some shit. He had to basically like socially engineer
Speaker 2: his way to being able to stay on the show.
Speaker 2: And so he made a big deal about being a
Speaker 2: strategizer and how he had this like elaborate strategic plan
Speaker 2: to get on the house. But before whatever plan that
Speaker 2: was came to fruition, footage leaked of him whipping a woman.
Speaker 4: God.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is one of those ones that
Speaker 2: I'm a little like unsure of because I've seen the
Speaker 2: footage and like it's unpleasant. He claims that it was
Speaker 2: a consensual, kinky sex act, and so does the woman
Speaker 2: that he was whipping, and just based on the video,
Speaker 2: that might be true of this specific video. Again, we
Speaker 2: know he's been physically abusive, there's a lot of evidence
Speaker 2: of that. We know that he's committed, right, this specific
Speaker 2: video may actually have been a kink thing, which is
Speaker 2: why I'm not playing it because I just I don't
Speaker 2: think that that kind of thing should be played. So instead,
Speaker 2: let's watch a little clip of Andrew Tait on Big Brother.
Speaker 2: I think that's going to give people a little bit
Speaker 2: better of a context of this guy and how he
Speaker 2: was presenting himself in twenty sixteen. So if you've just
Speaker 2: put the link into the chat, yeah, we're gonna this
Speaker 2: will be a good time for everybody, and much more
Speaker 2: pleasant than that video, regardless of what the truth is
Speaker 2: of the video.
Speaker 6: Your take. I'm twenty nine years old and I'm a
Speaker 6: four times kickboxing world champion. I see myself smarter than average.
Speaker 6: I was a chess champion from a very young age,
Speaker 6: in the age of three. My biggest tool is that
Speaker 6: I'm not afraid of anything I have. Don't need the money,
Speaker 6: I don't want to be fair, I don't want any
Speaker 6: of that. So I'm gonna be the most emotionally controlled
Speaker 6: person in the house.
Speaker 2: Is Big Brother time is up?
Speaker 6: Andrew, confirm the character trait you have all chosen and targeted,
Speaker 6: and explain your reasons were chosen. Sexies, as we're assuming
Speaker 6: the persons who describes themselves as sexy as an idiot
Speaker 6: and nobody an easy choice.
Speaker 2: No, because he.
Speaker 7: You can tell someone's se.
Speaker 6: We chose him to be an easy choice.
Speaker 2: But so that's Andrew Taate. Yeah, I mean you see
Speaker 2: what he's kind of going for there is like I
Speaker 2: don't I'm the most emotionally controlled. You can't like affect me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's he's he's he's doing kind of a version of
Speaker 2: the thing he's going to be doing. But obviously he
Speaker 2: gets kicked off the show very quickly. I think he's
Speaker 2: on it for literally like a week now. The claim
Speaker 2: is that he's kicked off the show because this video
Speaker 2: of him whipping this this woman gets leaked out right,
Speaker 2: and that like that's why they kick him off. There's
Speaker 2: debate about this within the Big Brother fandom. I went
Speaker 2: through the Big Brother fandom wiki because I wanted to
Speaker 2: see how are the how are the bro stands responding
Speaker 2: to Andrew Tate? How did they feel about him? And
Speaker 2: they note this quote. Andrew himself and many other fans
Speaker 2: believe if that is an incorrect reason as to why
Speaker 2: he was ejected. Andrew believes he was removed as a
Speaker 2: result after unaired altercations with other housemates got very heated
Speaker 2: and due to Andrew's fighting background, Big Brother feared violent
Speaker 2: repercussions due to this and ejected him from the house.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting that he would admit that because he's
Speaker 2: basically saying they thought I was too violent and dangerous
Speaker 2: and didn't want me to hurt somebody and get the
Speaker 2: show in trouble, so they kicked me off, which I
Speaker 2: actually think might be possible. I am going to say,
Speaker 2: Andrew may not be incorrect there, because I'm big Brother
Speaker 2: and I see the way this guy interacts with people
Speaker 2: and his background. I might be like, we may want
Speaker 2: to get this motherfucker off the show. He seems like
Speaker 2: a violent psychopath.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also very likely that they just saw that
Speaker 2: sketchy video and we're like, we don't need this. We
Speaker 2: don't need Big Brother doesn't need this pr So either.
Speaker 4: Before he went on the show, was he already kind
Speaker 4: of starting to become face miss a little bit or
Speaker 4: was this kind of like a jumping off point for
Speaker 4: bigger fame.
Speaker 2: I certainly wouldn't call him famous. He was, you know,
Speaker 2: a semi prominent within the UK, semi prominent fighting sports star.
Speaker 2: He'd done a little bit of MMA too, and he
Speaker 2: was a semi prominent and he had, like, you know,
Speaker 2: I think in the tens of thousands, maybe even like
Speaker 2: a couple one hundred thousand followers on Instagram. So he's
Speaker 2: not a nobody, but he's not a celebrity, right, Like
Speaker 2: he's the he's the level of celebrity that you you
Speaker 2: picked to be on a Big Brother show, right Yeah. Now,
Speaker 2: as with so many claims about this guy, obviously, like
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say that the Big Brother wiki
Speaker 2: fandom wiki is a great source, but I did read
Speaker 2: through it, and I think it's worth reading to you
Speaker 2: the biography that the Big Brother fandom wiki gives for Tate,
Speaker 2: because I believe it's it's accurate to the kind of
Speaker 2: stuff that Tate bragged about in his Big Brother appearance.
Speaker 2: Here's his biograph. Andrew is a member of Mensa that Andrew.
Speaker 1: As the Iowa Writers Workshop, which I was fucking right about.
Speaker 1: Thank you everybody who mentioned the message. Yeah, but people
Speaker 1: did that red motherfucking flag.
Speaker 2: Folks who are not on the social media should note
Speaker 2: that people pointed out the Iowa Writers Workshop was apparently
Speaker 2: started by the CIA, which is very funny in terms
Speaker 2: of Sophie being right about it being shady, although I
Speaker 2: will say Robert bly does not seem to have taken
Speaker 2: to the CIA's propaganda, you know about the anti war
Speaker 2: but I guess, yeah, I guess we'll see whatever feel
Speaker 2: about that. However, you want very.
Speaker 1: Funny number of mensa, let's go back to that.
Speaker 2: That is that is more of a red flag the
Speaker 2: CIA writing program. I'm gonna I'm just gonna say that
Speaker 2: right now. Text Jamie about this. Does Jamie know that
Speaker 2: Andrew Tate was mint?
Speaker 1: I will text her right now.
Speaker 2: I'm going to continue Andrew's bio from The Big Brother Wick.
Speaker 2: Andrew was a four time world kickboxing champion. His brother,
Speaker 2: who Andrew claims is his only true friend, trades him.
Speaker 2: What a sad sentence. Andrew believes that a man should
Speaker 2: be able to sleep with as many women as he wants,
Speaker 2: but that does not apply to women. So that's basically
Speaker 2: what you'd expect from mister Tate, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds like a perfect encapsulation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what an incredible guy. So the year after his
Speaker 2: Big brother failure, Donald Trump, you guys might have heard
Speaker 2: of this, becomes President of the United States, and suddenly
Speaker 2: you got fascists in the streets. You got the alt
Speaker 2: right suddenly being a term and everybody's lexicon, and you've
Speaker 2: got this galaxy of right wing and explicitly fascist media
Speaker 2: influencers just blowing the fuck up on social media. Andrew
Speaker 2: and Tristan saw this happening, and they were like, this
Speaker 2: is how we get huge, right, This is a perfect
Speaker 2: place for us to just kind of nest, like one
Speaker 2: of those wasps that lay their eggs in your eyes
Speaker 2: and then burst out. So they decide to be the
Speaker 2: wasps in let's say, Alex Jones's eye. They start to experiment.
Speaker 2: Social media posts bragging about their luxurious lifestyle had helped,
Speaker 2: but that kind of stuff is a dime a dozen now.
Speaker 2: Andrew is unfortunately not a dumb man, and so he
Speaker 2: observed the successive guys like Mike Cernovich, Alex Jones, Paul
Speaker 2: Joseph Watson, and he recognized that they were all using
Speaker 2: variations of the same tactic. They would post something deliberately
Speaker 2: inflammatory on social media, or on their own shows. They'd
Speaker 2: have some sort of guests like David Ike talk about
Speaker 2: lizard people, or they would go on this rant, or
Speaker 2: they just do something super racist and that would generate
Speaker 2: outrage and all of these liberal and centrist in left
Speaker 2: wing journalists would cover the horrifying thing that they'd said
Speaker 2: on social media, which would elevate their profile and give
Speaker 2: them free advertise.
Speaker 1: Platforms are they using at this time?
Speaker 2: He is using primarily Instagram and he's going to get
Speaker 2: increasingly big on TikTok. These these the right wing influencers.
Speaker 2: Who's probably best at TikTok. He also, though he puts
Speaker 2: stuff on YouTube for and until he gets banned from YouTube,
Speaker 2: he has like a long kind of video blog podcast
Speaker 2: and that's kind of where he's starting.
Speaker 1: It's very it's very it's very interesting. The like the
Speaker 1: similarities to like Steve Bannon using yep yeah, video game
Speaker 1: and and just message.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And he's this is very conscious, right, Like
Speaker 2: he's he's, he's and this is this is where Andrew
Speaker 2: Tait is smart, right because intelligence is is not a
Speaker 2: broad concept. It's a narrow thing. And he's very intelligent
Speaker 2: when it comes to how to build a right wing
Speaker 2: brand online. He watches what everyone is doing and he
Speaker 2: takes the stuff that works best, and he's he's going
Speaker 2: to become very good at this. But you know who's
Speaker 2: even better at this?
Speaker 1: The products and services that sponsored this podcast.
Speaker 2: They they have you should see their right wing Instagram page.
Speaker 1: It is offensive what you say that, but most of
Speaker 1: our ads are programmatic and we have no idea what
Speaker 1: they are, so that could. I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I'm excited for the Gold Company to come back. Everybody. Yeah, ye,
Speaker 2: buy some motherfucking gold. We are we are back. Sophie
Speaker 2: is letting us know that Jamie Loftus, who did a
Speaker 2: podcast on mensa, just uh just got the news that
Speaker 2: Andrew Tait is a mensight. How does she respond?
Speaker 1: All caps lo o L no way, beautiful, beautiful, perfect reply.
Speaker 2: Happy, happy to have supplied her with this information. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So Andrew starts upping his his appearances on social media,
Speaker 2: He starts integrating himself into this right wing ecosystem, throwing
Speaker 2: out offensive ship and just kind of using that to
Speaker 2: build his profile, to get him invites to be on
Speaker 2: other people's shows. And I'm gonna quote from the already
Speaker 2: in here to talk about his rise to prominence. In
Speaker 2: September of twenty seventeen, he was criticized by mental health
Speaker 2: charities for saying depression isn't real. The next month, he
Speaker 2: waited in on me Too. Saying women should bear some
Speaker 2: responsibility for being raped of you. He has since repeated
Speaker 2: and which, among other incidents, led to him being barred
Speaker 2: from Twitter. The backlash one Tate work and boosted his profile.
Speaker 2: He appeared on info Wars, the podcast of conspiracy theorist
Speaker 2: Alex Jones, was pictured with far right YouTuber Paul Joseph Watson,
Speaker 2: and met Donald Trump Junior at Trump Tower, posting on
Speaker 2: Facebook afterwards the Tate family support Trump fully.
Speaker 1: Maga cool from hell Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's tic tac towed his way through the
Speaker 2: very worst people in our society. In twenty nineteen, police
Speaker 2: were called after Tate showed up at the house of
Speaker 2: Mike Stuckberry, a journalist who had been critical about him
Speaker 2: online days acts after Yaxley Lennon, that's Tommy Robinson, who
Speaker 2: he did an episode, did the same thing. The incident
Speaker 2: caused Stuckberry's wife to suffer a panic attack and played
Speaker 2: a role in them leaving the UK for Germany. So
Speaker 2: both that's gross physical intermidation of a guy who's criticized him,
Speaker 2: but also he's just doing the same thing Tommy Robinson did,
Speaker 2: so you can see at this point he's not a
Speaker 2: figure in his own right. Yet when you are copying
Speaker 2: Tommy fucking Robinson, you have not yet ascended, right. That
Speaker 2: is one of the sadder right wing grifters to be
Speaker 2: following in the footsteps of So he's working on it,
Speaker 2: but he hasn't yet blown his way kind of out
Speaker 2: of the pack. All of this controversy, all of these
Speaker 2: appearances on right wing talk shows and podcasts, did successfully
Speaker 2: elevate Tait's profile, and he started funneling his new fans
Speaker 2: towards his new business, one with a wider appeal than
Speaker 2: webcam prostitution. He began offering a series of classes to
Speaker 2: his followers. Initially, this was sleazy pickup artist shit classes
Speaker 2: on how to get women. The market for that is
Speaker 2: very crowded, though. Here's how Tate attempted to set himself
Speaker 2: apart from the pickup artist community. From the promotional material
Speaker 2: I found for his now defunct PhD program fuck up
Speaker 2: What Yeah, Yeah, it stands for something gross I forgot,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to read you the ad copy that
Speaker 2: he wrote for this fucking thing. Andrew Tate is world
Speaker 2: champion kickboxer who owns and operates strip clubs in webcam studios.
Speaker 2: With over seventy five girls working for him. He has
Speaker 2: created a system that allows you to get girls quickly, easily,
Speaker 2: and without spending money. Unlike other pickup artists who have
Speaker 2: the odd girl here and there, Tate has top quality
Speaker 2: that's in caps women living with him and making him
Speaker 2: money full time. This makes him more qualified than any
Speaker 2: other coach on the internet. Do you want to learn
Speaker 2: how to get the odd girl from a pickup artist?
Speaker 2: Or learn how to build an army of women who
Speaker 2: are so loyal to you that they allow you to
Speaker 2: have as many girls as you want. More importantly, he
Speaker 2: has a fool proof system for retaining women, having them
Speaker 2: do as you say and respecting you without taking up
Speaker 2: or wasting large amounts of your time. As Tate said,
Speaker 2: I don't want to tin unless she does everything I say.
Speaker 2: It's obedience and loyalty that turns me on more than looks.
Speaker 2: Whether you're looking to get girls, simply have your girlfriend
Speaker 2: obey every command and be fiercely loyal, or learn how
Speaker 2: to live with three or four girlfriends at once as
Speaker 2: Tate does. This is the course for you. So do
Speaker 2: were you go? Guys?
Speaker 1: So do we think? Hitch was his favorite movie?
Speaker 2: Soybe, I don't think you're allowed to make references to Hitch.
Speaker 2: Nobody's seen Hitch.
Speaker 1: Have you seen Hitch with Will Smith?
Speaker 4: I have seen Hitch. It's a I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a it's a fun little movie.
Speaker 1: Is the allergic reaction for oh that was? You know,
Speaker 1: bring it back? Yeah? Yeah, that that entire thing was disgusting, Robert,
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah it was. When I found that, I just
Speaker 2: knew that was. I did a little chef's kiss, like
Speaker 2: I was like I was cooking up some spaghetti. Uh,
Speaker 2: it was good. It was good. Now a big part
Speaker 2: of Tate's branding, and this is the same thing when
Speaker 2: you are an influencer, right, if you're trying to build
Speaker 2: like a cultishly loyal following, you have to use cult techniques,
Speaker 2: and that means creating words that were not in use
Speaker 2: before you started using them, and or at least repurposing
Speaker 2: words in ways that other people don't use them and
Speaker 2: getting your fans to talk that way. And one of
Speaker 2: the things Tate note knew this. And Tate also he
Speaker 2: had paid attention to guys. You know again, think back
Speaker 2: to our other cult leaders. We've got guys like Keith
Speaker 2: Ranieri who was called Vanguard. We've got l Ron Hubbard,
Speaker 2: who was the commodore. I forget what Werner Erhard went by,
Speaker 2: but we just did his episodes. And for Tate, the
Speaker 2: kind of name that he had his fans call him
Speaker 2: is top G. And you will see this in a
Speaker 2: shitload of zoomer TikTok videos. I want to play first
Speaker 2: a video for you of him talking to his brother
Speaker 2: about what top G means.
Speaker 1: And this is from the Tate Pill you tube channel,
Speaker 1: which all that's.
Speaker 2: The only YouTube channel that I visit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, top G and Tate Pill, all those names make
Speaker 1: me want to cry.
Speaker 2: It's good stuff, Sylvie.
Speaker 1: Here's the clip top G.
Speaker 2: Everyone says top G. Kids are now wearing T shirts
Speaker 2: and top G on it. I want to be a
Speaker 2: top G. I want to be the top G. He
Speaker 2: basically trademarket. So what do you mean by top G?
Speaker 7: Top G is an individual who is capable in all realms.
Speaker 4: As my father said.
Speaker 6: Sheer into fatiguability and unmatched perspicacity made him a feared
Speaker 6: opponent in all realms of human endeavor. When you are
Speaker 6: top G, you are dangerous at everything. That's why I'm
Speaker 6: talk to If they were to say to you, you
Speaker 6: have to go on a racetrack and race Tait in cars,
Speaker 6: he'd be like, shit, that's as you have to go
Speaker 6: in the boxing ring and fight Tate, share fight, you
Speaker 6: have to go debate tape ship crely, you have to
Speaker 6: go try and get a girl and takes also trying
Speaker 6: to get the girl. Shit, it's against It doesn't matter
Speaker 6: what the competition is. As soon as they say my name,
Speaker 6: you're gonna be like a fox, my unmatched perstpocacity, my
Speaker 6: ability to perceive, my sheer India believe the fact that
Speaker 6: I never get tired. You add all this together. I
Speaker 6: am a feared opponent in any almost human endeavor, even
Speaker 6: things I don't yet know how to do.
Speaker 7: You do not want to compete with me.
Speaker 1: In those things.
Speaker 6: That is why I am.
Speaker 2: So First off, it feels like he wasn't as good
Speaker 2: at chess as he says because his dad had to
Speaker 2: kick him out of a contest for crying too much.
Speaker 2: Just do do keep that in mind as he makes
Speaker 2: these claims. Now, I don't believe that Andrew Tait is
Speaker 2: a competition race car driver because he has never done that.
Speaker 2: And also by the way I again, because he makes
Speaker 2: claims like this. I went to like race car Twitter
Speaker 2: to see what they said about him.
Speaker 4: And they had.
Speaker 2: A lot of weird There were a lot of you
Speaker 2: run into people making these weird niche criticisms about his
Speaker 2: supercars and how they're not the right.
Speaker 1: Kind of it's a weird thing.
Speaker 2: It's an expensive car that goes fast. And if you're
Speaker 2: a supercar nerd and disagree, you can go to hell.
Speaker 2: Because I enjoyed reading and found it like enlightening reading
Speaker 2: the chess and the kickboxing subreddits. The supercar people are insufferable,
Speaker 2: even the ones that don't like Andrew Tait.
Speaker 1: So I I do love that. That's Robertson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where he draws a line. It's like the
Speaker 4: supercars just really were too much.
Speaker 2: Because they were like, well, no, you want this supercar,
Speaker 2: not that one. I would never get. I was like,
Speaker 2: you don't like none of you. I'm sorry, I don't
Speaker 2: I you you people. I don't believe.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I can just imagine these supercar fuckers like
Speaker 1: Tinder profiles. They're so horrible. Their car is there, you know,
Speaker 1: the car is in the picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I simply don't care. What you have to say
Speaker 2: about his supercars. But what I do care about is
Speaker 2: the fact that as silly as that all is, the
Speaker 2: top g shit worked. And as evidence for this, I
Speaker 2: have just sent another link to the chat. This is
Speaker 2: a protest in Athens, Greece, where what appears to be
Speaker 2: visually several thousand adult men and a number of men
Speaker 2: who are boys marching through the streets of Athens. And
Speaker 2: I want, Sophie, I want you to just play what
Speaker 2: they're chanting. Yeah, this was right after his arrest. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know what this is. I'm sad. And that is like,
Speaker 2: it's not a I'll say this, that's not like a
Speaker 2: tiny flash mob. There's a lot of there is a
Speaker 2: there is a distressing number of men in the street.
Speaker 1: There's a distressing number of men in the streets. That's
Speaker 1: in Greece.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is not great. So this works very well.
Speaker 2: Tate was very successful. And again we've already covered the
Speaker 2: degree to which he's exaggerating and out right lying about
Speaker 2: his competence, But he's successful at pushing a persona of
Speaker 2: himself as hyper competent and irresistible to women. As we've
Speaker 2: already covered a lot of what he says is objectively untrue.
Speaker 2: His kickboxing record was cooked, his businesses are mostly cheap
Speaker 2: scams or outright criminal enterprises. We'll get into that more
Speaker 2: in a second, but it's worth digging into first the
Speaker 2: reality behind the Andrew Tate method of picking up women.
Speaker 2: In the wake of Tate's arrest, a brave nineteen year
Speaker 2: old Romanian woman named Daria Gusha Gusa reached out to BuzzFeed.
Speaker 2: She told them and provided evidence that in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: when she was sixteen, Andrew Tate slid into her dms
Speaker 2: on Instagram with a message that read Romanian girl strawberry emoji,
Speaker 2: which I think is a sex thing. The strawberry emoji,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what you kids use.
Speaker 1: When Tate messaged strawberry emoji. All right, carry on.
Speaker 2: On the gram, yes, Sophie, geez, get with the kids,
Speaker 2: get with the times. When Tate messaged her, her Instagram
Speaker 2: bio had the name of her fancy private school, and
Speaker 2: she told BuzzFeed that a number of other girls in
Speaker 2: her class had been messaged by Tate around the same
Speaker 2: time in the same way. So it seems like he
Speaker 2: was looking for basically just like filtering his responses from
Speaker 2: girls in this private school who were like sixteen, and
Speaker 2: then messaging a bunch of them at once. Daria did
Speaker 2: not respond, but her friends. Some of her friends did,
Speaker 2: and Tate complimented them, telling them how beautiful they were.
Speaker 2: He bragged about his wealth, and he offered to take
Speaker 2: them to expensive restaurants. After a short back and forth,
Speaker 2: he would every time try to meet up with the girls,
Speaker 2: be like, hey, we should meet up right now. Where
Speaker 2: are you I'll come pick you up, we can go
Speaker 2: out and eat. And I'm going to quote from BuzzFeed next.
Speaker 2: None of her friends went ahead with meeting with him,
Speaker 2: she said, and once Tate realized they weren't going to,
Speaker 2: he started to insult them. The second that girl stopped
Speaker 2: replying to him, he starts getting a bit verbally abusive,
Speaker 2: calling them ugly and stuff right like that, just to
Speaker 2: get the reaction out of them and keep engaging with them.
Speaker 2: Guza said, And that's I think useful to go over
Speaker 2: because that's normal shitty guy on the internet stuff. That is,
Speaker 2: there's a guy's doing that. There's nothing special about him.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have some sort of secret. He's not irresistible.
Speaker 2: He's just doing the same thing that Like, there's like
Speaker 2: there's a whole bunch of Twitter accounts that like semi
Speaker 2: professionally post like screen grabs of guys sliding into women's
Speaker 2: dms all around the world doing that exact thing. Like,
Speaker 2: there's nothing about his method that is special or rare.
Speaker 2: He just practices it exclusively on children. And you know
Speaker 2: what he's doing is he's I'm sure shotgunning out these
Speaker 2: requests to so many people that statistically, just like with
Speaker 2: like a you know exactly, it's like one of those
Speaker 2: like email scams. Right, some number of people are going
Speaker 2: to like respond, It'll work on some number of people,
Speaker 2: and that's all he cares about, right, And I do
Speaker 2: think that's important because when it comes to actual pick
Speaker 2: up artistry or whatever you want to call it, Andrew
Speaker 2: Tate is no different than every other frustrated adult male
Speaker 2: piece of shit looking to flirt with little kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're not special, motherfucker, just like every other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, he is just like every other creep behind
Speaker 2: the curtain. Now, none of this, though, is public. During
Speaker 2: the rise of Andrew Tate's social media profile or his
Speaker 2: main online business, which would become Hustler's University. That's what
Speaker 2: he calls this like series of classes and training programs
Speaker 2: that he starts to launch, and it's the kind of
Speaker 2: thing like he is undeniably good at getting people, and
Speaker 2: it's mostly the people who mostly believe this image he's
Speaker 2: crafted are children, right, they are also children. They're male children.
Speaker 2: All of his victims, the women that he the girls
Speaker 2: that he's flirting with, are mostly children or of extremely
Speaker 2: young adults. And the people with.
Speaker 4: Exactly who can't do critical thinking or make like a
Speaker 4: big decisions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And the people he's trying to get money
Speaker 2: from are like boys from like I'm going to say,
Speaker 2: age twelve to twenty, and uh yeah, that's that's that's
Speaker 2: who this shit works on.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I found an eight hour class from Hustler's University up
Speaker 2: on YouTube, which is just part one of.
Speaker 1: His watching around the hut.
Speaker 2: I sure did, I sure did. There are you can
Speaker 2: find a lot of these have been uploaded since his arrest,
Speaker 2: and there's like a hundred of them, like so many hours.
Speaker 1: Doing house chores and then last this.
Speaker 2: I'm sweeping, I'm cleaning, you know, I'm standing standing naked
Speaker 2: doing planks on my in my living room floor. Normal stuff,
Speaker 2: your living room floor. Oh yeah, that's the only place
Speaker 2: I do it. So, uh yeah, I felt like I
Speaker 2: had to watch through these because Tate claims at the
Speaker 2: start that these do contain his entire understanding of business
Speaker 2: and how to make money. I figured watching it would
Speaker 2: give me some insight into the soul of the man himself.
Speaker 2: And boy, howdy did it ever? Oh god, So we're
Speaker 2: going to go into that in a little bit. But
Speaker 2: first you know what we're going to go into.
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh, is it an AD break? Isn't an adreak?
Speaker 2: It sure is an AD break. It's some products, some services,
Speaker 2: the odd product and service. We're going to go into that.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do my hustle before we we we
Speaker 2: introduce you all to Hustler's University.
Speaker 1: Oh, Robert, that was despicable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, welcome to the potty Pal. We are back back.
Speaker 2: So Hustler's University starts out pretty boring. He gives his
Speaker 2: definition of a business, which is a thing that money
Speaker 2: goes into. Right, that's the only thing a business is.
Speaker 4: So thanks thanks for explaining that. Thanks, I have no
Speaker 4: idea before Okay.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. Andrew. Well It's interesting because since
Speaker 2: a business is only something money goes into, if you
Speaker 2: are putting money into startup costs, if you're putting money
Speaker 2: into R and D, if you're paying for things like PR,
Speaker 2: that is all a waste of time, right, because that's
Speaker 2: spending money. A business only takes money in. Now, you
Speaker 2: may be saying, well, but you have to spend money
Speaker 2: to make money. That's like a thing everybody knows about business.
Speaker 2: That's just the way that it works, right, Andrew says no,
Speaker 2: And in order to explain what a fool you are,
Speaker 2: he gives an example of a good business that he
Speaker 2: had an idea for. And this first example of a
Speaker 2: good business is starting a website to sell makeup online. Now,
Speaker 2: he says, he's adamant that like, you don't need to
Speaker 2: have any makeup, you don't need to have a product.
Speaker 2: All you do is you make a website selling makeup,
Speaker 2: and then you wait for a bunch of people to
Speaker 2: buy the makeup, and then you figure out where to
Speaker 2: get makeup with the money that they've spent on makeup
Speaker 2: that you didn't have before, and then you send it
Speaker 2: to them. Sounds like that's genius brain level business stuff.
Speaker 2: Start a fraudulent makeup business and then buy makeup once
Speaker 2: you start getting money. I don't think that that would work,
Speaker 2: in part because there's a lot of makeup that's a
Speaker 2: real company out there that people can buy from.
Speaker 4: A lot of other options act makeup.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I'm sure a lot of people have
Speaker 2: that question. How are you supposed to actually get cash
Speaker 2: flow started without investing, without having something to make people
Speaker 2: want to buy your makeup? And Tate has an answer
Speaker 2: for you, and that answer is child labor. So I'm
Speaker 2: going to play a clip from you and as an aside,
Speaker 2: during this clip, when you hear him tell someone to
Speaker 2: wipe down his whiteboard, it's some random cam worker in
Speaker 2: his home. It's a young woman who lives with him
Speaker 2: that he has doing minor chores in the background. This
Speaker 2: is the thing that he does in all of his videos.
Speaker 6: Family and friends are actually the best staff you can
Speaker 6: possibly get. Now, people say, don't mix friends with business,
Speaker 6: don't mix family with business. Can you clean my board?
Speaker 6: Sit here and wipe it, please, don't mix friends with business. Off,
Speaker 6: don't mix friends with business, don't mix family with business.
Speaker 2: That's a lie.
Speaker 6: So the reason people say this is because people are heads,
Speaker 6: and they can't get along with anyone. They're not They
Speaker 6: can't get along with anybody long enough to make any money.
Speaker 6: But I guarantee you have family members right this second
Speaker 6: who could make you money. I guarantee you you have
Speaker 6: a fifteen year old niece, nephew, cousin, brother, whoever, who
Speaker 6: knows more about computers than you do. I guarantee there's
Speaker 6: a fifteen year old out there with nothing better to do,
Speaker 6: who knows more about photoshop.
Speaker 8: Than you do.
Speaker 6: Right now, his stupid ass needs a job, so you
Speaker 6: can start a company right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's that's that seems good, right, That's that's
Speaker 2: a solid business idea. Have have young relatives and trick
Speaker 2: them into working for you. Absolutely genius, Andrew you are.
Speaker 2: You are the finest business mind of our generation. Now
Speaker 2: he follows this up with his next incredible piece of
Speaker 2: corporate advice, which I think might be of interest to
Speaker 2: some prosecutors in Romania. And I'm gonna have Sophie play
Speaker 2: that one next.
Speaker 6: Don't get legal before you get rich. This is super important.
Speaker 6: We're talking about hustling here. I'm telling you the hacks
Speaker 6: to becoming rich.
Speaker 2: Do not get.
Speaker 6: Legal before you are rich, you can fix your legal
Speaker 6: bullshit when you've already made money. It's a shame of
Speaker 6: deleting my word erase to my beautiful makeup diagram. But
Speaker 6: it's very similar to what we were saying earlier.
Speaker 4: I know, so.
Speaker 6: Registered for VAT, registered with the tax man, already have
Speaker 6: an accountant, and haven't made any money yet. I in
Speaker 6: most of my companies, will make a million dollars before
Speaker 6: I'll even consider fucking around with a tax form, talking
Speaker 6: to an accountant, or registering any fucking companies. All that
Speaker 6: shit is on the layer base until you have proved
Speaker 6: the viability of your company and you have money coming in.
Speaker 6: When you're rich and you have money in the bank,
Speaker 6: then worry about that stuff. Don't waste your time, energy
Speaker 6: and money doing all that legal crap before you know
Speaker 6: anything about whether your business is going.
Speaker 4: To work on.
Speaker 1: Don't do crime. That's a crime.
Speaker 7: It's time sink.
Speaker 6: If every time I had to start a company or
Speaker 6: an idea, I had to go register a company, getting
Speaker 6: account and do tax forms, do VAT form, what a
Speaker 6: waste of time. I've started maybe one hundred companies in
Speaker 6: my life. Twenty of them made money. You're telling me
Speaker 6: eighty times, I would have had to fuck around. Don't
Speaker 6: do that. I know so many people who have a
Speaker 6: company legally but don't have a company in reality, because
Speaker 6: it exists as a legal entity, but it does not
Speaker 6: provide cash.
Speaker 7: A company provides cash.
Speaker 6: If you're a street drug dealer, you own a company
Speaker 6: much more than the guy with all the legal entities
Speaker 6: which ain't making money.
Speaker 4: Do not.
Speaker 6: We're hustlers here. It's the hustler's university. Do not confuse
Speaker 6: this money in what's the lessons I've been teaching you?
Speaker 7: Money in? Where's the money in?
Speaker 4: Pointing at the empty white fig written on it, there's nothing?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, ah oh yeah.
Speaker 2: So because people this is an audio medium, he is
Speaker 2: like pointing and circling things on an empty whiteboard because
Speaker 2: he's forgotten that he had one of his cam workers
Speaker 2: erase everything on it. Obviously, this is terrible advice, in
Speaker 2: part because if you start a business that doesn't make
Speaker 2: a profit and you did not do any of the
Speaker 2: legal things you needed to do, there's a good chance
Speaker 2: that at some point the taxman will come and say, hey,
Speaker 2: you didn't do all this shit you needed to do,
Speaker 2: and we know that you know now you owe us
Speaker 2: a shitload of money, and because your business failed, you
Speaker 2: owe even more because you broke a bunch of laws.
Speaker 2: That's one thing that is concerning about the advice that
Speaker 2: he's giving. Although anyone who's going to start companies using
Speaker 2: the Andrew Tate advice probably deserves to be in trouble
Speaker 2: with the irs or whoever, so I'm not going to
Speaker 2: complain too much about it. But also I kind of
Speaker 2: hope someone in Romania is aware of these videos, because
Speaker 2: I suspect Andrew Tate did not dot the ises or
Speaker 2: cross the t's necessary to make all of his shady
Speaker 2: businesses legal in that country. He was operating casinos and
Speaker 2: strip clubs in the country once he got rich, like
Speaker 2: actual ones, not just CAM ones, So I kind of
Speaker 2: think there's a decent chance he will wind up getting
Speaker 2: extra charges as a result of not legally operating any
Speaker 2: of his businesses. Fun thing to brag about, Andrew. So
Speaker 2: the next point he makes in this video of really
Speaker 2: just irreplaceable financial advice is use what you've got, And
Speaker 2: this is where Andrew actually gives us some context on
Speaker 2: how he started his cam business and why. But first
Speaker 2: we get a little bit more child labor advocacy.
Speaker 6: I just gave you the example of the fifteen year
Speaker 6: old cousin who can make websites. Now you own a
Speaker 6: website company, or your fifteen year old cousin who can
Speaker 6: do I don't know fucking who knows what he can do?
Speaker 7: He can mow lawns.
Speaker 6: Every fifteen year old can mow lawns. Now you have
Speaker 6: a lawnmowing business. Bang, tell his stupid ass to go
Speaker 6: deliver some flyers. Drive him round your car, play some
Speaker 6: two pac, chill out in your car, text some bitches,
Speaker 6: drive it five miles an hour. Let him drop off
Speaker 6: all the leaflets, and then let him mow all the lawns.
Speaker 6: You collect all the money and just pay him a percentage. Bang,
Speaker 6: you now own a lawnmoaning company. Congratulations, Use what you got.
Speaker 6: I made a lot of money with webcam girls. If
Speaker 6: you're watching this, you don't know that webcam girls. You
Speaker 6: can go to a chatterbait dot com. You see girls
Speaker 6: on there on webcam getting naked talking to dudes, taking money.
Speaker 6: That made me millions and millions of dollars. I came
Speaker 6: up with that idea by sticking to this principle.
Speaker 2: Use what you've got so.
Speaker 7: Right now, if you're sitting there, what are you saying?
Speaker 4: And I mean everything this way?
Speaker 6: Have the car, it's on lease. You have physical strength,
Speaker 6: I'll say you're a strong guy. When I was making
Speaker 6: my list, I was right and everything now and I
Speaker 6: was like, well, I've got six girlfriends. Six girlfriends, so okay,
Speaker 6: strip How can girls make you money?
Speaker 7: Strip club?
Speaker 6: But that takes money to set up? Remember costs again,
Speaker 6: I cannot get money in.
Speaker 7: A strip club without the club.
Speaker 6: So I looked at all the costs for a strip
Speaker 6: club and realize it's too expensive. Before I could get
Speaker 6: money in, it's too big a risk. Remember it's too
Speaker 6: much risk. I can lose three four under grand can't
Speaker 6: risk that. How can I get money in? How can
Speaker 6: I get money in for having hot girls without spending
Speaker 6: money out?
Speaker 7: So my first idea was strip club.
Speaker 4: If I looked at all the costs, I was like, okay, So.
Speaker 6: How why do men send Why do men spend money
Speaker 6: on girls in strip club? Because the girls are beautiful?
Speaker 6: They get to look at the girls, see some titties.
Speaker 6: How can I do that without the club? Well, the internet,
Speaker 6: if I put them on the Internet is cheap. This
Speaker 6: is literally how I thought I stuck to my business principles.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's cheap.
Speaker 6: Start looking up bound discovered the webcam websites, all right,
Speaker 6: So I've already got the girls. I've already got a laptop,
Speaker 6: I've already got the internet bag. The day I had
Speaker 6: the webcam idea, the same day I was making money.
Speaker 6: I didn't spend any money, but I was making new
Speaker 6: money because I refuse to allow myself to spend. Then
Speaker 6: I started making new money in with the webcam because
Speaker 6: I knew I had the internet. I knew I had laptops,
Speaker 6: I knew I had girls. Use what you've gone. Look
Speaker 6: around you, what people do you have? Does your old
Speaker 6: mother need a new jobs Maybe she's at home and she's.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, maybe she will because your old mother.
Speaker 6: If you have a cousin's nieces, nephews, if you have
Speaker 6: a girlfriend who has nothing to do, use what you have.
Speaker 4: The most upsetting thing about all of this is, like
Speaker 4: you can see how like this people can fall for this,
Speaker 4: or like the how people could be susceptible to this,
Speaker 4: because obviously he's taking it to a sick, disgusting extreme.
Speaker 4: But like at the core of it, Like that does
Speaker 4: make sense on some level, if you have a bunch
Speaker 4: of you know, old baseball cards or whatever, you can
Speaker 4: start selling them at school and make a little extra money.
Speaker 4: But like, he's taking it to such an extreme level
Speaker 4: of exploitation and illegality that it's like insane. But I
Speaker 4: could see someone who is maybe not as savvy or
Speaker 4: is really gullible, could be influenced or fall for this
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. And that's what makes people like this
Speaker 4: so fucking dangerous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what's going on here? There's two things going
Speaker 2: on here, right, And this is always the case with him.
Speaker 2: It's the case with like the thing the brags, the
Speaker 2: lies he makes about his background. It's true he's pretty
Speaker 2: good at chess. It's true his dad was very good
Speaker 2: at chess. It's true that he was a decent kickboxer.
Speaker 2: And then he kind of uses that core of truth
Speaker 2: and then wraps a bunch of lies around it in
Speaker 2: order to make this persona It is true that a
Speaker 2: lot of people with small businesses use their families for
Speaker 2: free labor. Right. There's like laws in the United States
Speaker 2: where kids normally there's a lot of restrictions on how
Speaker 2: they can work unless it's like a family owned business. Right,
Speaker 2: if you like own a corner store, you can have
Speaker 2: your sixteen year old work it and they're not subject
Speaker 2: to all of the restrictions that like seven eleven would
Speaker 2: be if they tried to hire a sixteen year old. Right, Like,
Speaker 2: there's some differences there. I'm not saying, by the way
Speaker 2: that that's good or bad. I'm just that's the way
Speaker 2: that it works, pretty normalized. What he is saying is
Speaker 2: like taking that idea and saying no, no, no, What you
Speaker 2: should be doing is getting all of these people who
Speaker 2: are emotionally invested in you and love you and using
Speaker 2: them as free labor to make yourself rich, right exactly,
Speaker 2: Like that's that's the class and what he's doing there
Speaker 2: is he's taking the logic of a multi level marketing company.
Speaker 2: All of these all of these like Avon kind of
Speaker 2: fucking bullshit companies where they are these different like essential
Speaker 2: oil companies that we've talked about for years on the show,
Speaker 2: where like all rely on, Hey, your friends need this makeup,
Speaker 2: your friends need these supplements, your friends need this shitty
Speaker 2: low quality leggings, and you can make a lot of
Speaker 2: money getting them to sell and getting them in your upline,
Speaker 2: and you know, that's one of the things that's ruined
Speaker 2: like the social Internet. Facebook has become a place where
Speaker 2: like people you knew fifteen years ago get in touch,
Speaker 2: pretending to be your friend and then try to get
Speaker 2: you to like become a do Terra representative or some shit.
Speaker 2: He's using this logic because he knows that it works.
Speaker 2: But instead of the thing that is obviously shady and
Speaker 2: that people have kind of more defenses built up around,
Speaker 2: which is like, hey, try to get your family to
Speaker 2: like buy into this business, what he's saying is like, no, no,
Speaker 2: get him to work for you, you know, offer them
Speaker 2: like a share of profits or something to which obviously
Speaker 2: you know. And he goes into later detail about how
Speaker 2: you can fuck them over on that. But he's he's
Speaker 2: he's taking this thing that has been a part of
Speaker 2: American grift culture for forever and he's he's twisting it
Speaker 2: in a way that is I think kind of it is.
Speaker 2: It is new, and this is part of like the
Speaker 2: thing that he does that's intelligent, but it's also just
Speaker 2: very transparently awful and evil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very predatory towards.
Speaker 2: Extremely predatory super and speaking of extremely predatory. I want
Speaker 2: to dig into the business genius of Andrew Tate here
Speaker 2: because it is worth going into kind of the inevitable
Speaker 2: sort of conclusions you have to make based stuff of
Speaker 2: what he's saying. In the example that he's given, that
Speaker 2: fifteen year old kid has no reason to give you
Speaker 2: the money that he's making mowing lawns, right because he's
Speaker 2: doing all of the work to advertise and to actually mow.
Speaker 2: You only get your percentage he doesn't mention earlier, like
Speaker 2: one of your assets is being strong. The only ways
Speaker 2: to get a percentage from him are either literally just
Speaker 2: the threat of violence or gaslighting, making him think that
Speaker 2: he's going to make more money than he is and
Speaker 2: that you won't be making as much money as you
Speaker 2: are from his labor. And this is true of the
Speaker 2: cam girls too. His only actual advice boils down to
Speaker 2: various forms of robbery. And this is particularly clear when
Speaker 2: he starts talking about the profit making potential of Uber,
Speaker 2: which is already exploitative. But Andrew Tate, I'm going to
Speaker 2: play this next clip to you. This is him talking
Speaker 2: about how to use Uber in your own business to
Speaker 2: make money via child labor.
Speaker 7: Rent a car.
Speaker 6: Find a way to rent a car with unlimited mileage
Speaker 6: per month. Tell him he's gonna do ten hours of
Speaker 6: Uber a day to train how to drive.
Speaker 4: Lie to his.
Speaker 6: Ass and say that you in the Uber app you
Speaker 6: can track and make sure he ain't breaking the speed limits,
Speaker 6: so you drive safe. Put his ass on Uber, pay
Speaker 6: for his gas and keep and give him half the
Speaker 6: money and keep half for yourself. Bang done, Set him up,
Speaker 6: Get him ready. This is shit I didn't plan. I'm
Speaker 6: just telling you things off the top of my head
Speaker 6: because this is how I think as a hustler. I
Speaker 6: don't need to sit and think. I just know there's money,
Speaker 6: and I find a way to get the money.
Speaker 7: That's how I am.
Speaker 6: So right now, you've got cousins out there who aren't
Speaker 6: driving Uber. If you can convince them to drive Uber,
Speaker 6: well then why don't they do it without you?
Speaker 4: Easy?
Speaker 6: You can talk some shit, make some shit up. Hey,
Speaker 6: if you got an Uber account, No, I'll set it
Speaker 6: all up for you. Because it's complicated and there's some tax.
Speaker 6: I'll handle the tax. Don't pay no tax.
Speaker 7: Just fly blah blah blah. Get him an Uber, get
Speaker 7: him in cars, bang, bang bank.
Speaker 1: So he just assumes everyone around him is stupid.
Speaker 2: And stupid and trusting. He assumes that, like, hey, your
Speaker 2: cousins probably trust you lie in order to rob them,
Speaker 2: So make them work for you for basically nothing, and
Speaker 2: steal the money they make.
Speaker 1: They suggested making money off of women. He's sex trafficking.
Speaker 1: Old mother was thrown around and lit all children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are his business out. Don't forget the makeup
Speaker 2: company that does not sell makeup. He is god. Forget
Speaker 2: the finest capitalistic mind of a generation.
Speaker 1: Maybe she's born with it and maybe it doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: Actually makeup. It's so funny that like people talk about
Speaker 2: how smart this guy is, and like, chard he changed
Speaker 2: my We'll get into like why people talk about him
Speaker 2: changing their lives and all this shit, but like for that,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, what he's offering here
Speaker 2: is like, hey, rob your friends and family. It's the
Speaker 2: same MLM thing, but he has and this is I
Speaker 2: think credit seems like a weird way to say it,
Speaker 2: but it is needful to acknowledge this is an innovation.
Speaker 2: The way in which he is telling people to rob
Speaker 2: their friends and family in order to try to get rich,
Speaker 2: and it won't work for them. Most of them. This obviously,
Speaker 2: I think this is what Tate does. He has his
Speaker 2: brother work for him and his cousin's work for him.
Speaker 2: If you are the right kind of psychopath, you can
Speaker 2: make money this way. It's just that even of the
Speaker 2: people who are interested in Hustler's University, most of them
Speaker 2: are not that kind of psychopath, and so they're not
Speaker 2: going to be successful, or they're just not a smart
Speaker 2: enough psychopath.
Speaker 1: Robert, did you say how much people were paying for
Speaker 1: this class?
Speaker 2: So these were It changed over time. At first it
Speaker 2: was like a per class thing. Eventually it's going to
Speaker 2: change to a monthly fee. And obviously actual sales figures
Speaker 2: you're never going to get. But Tate makes like in
Speaker 2: the millions of dollars for all of this. Yeah, off
Speaker 2: of the version one, and he iterates quickly. By twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, he ditched the like courses and picking up
Speaker 2: women and running can businesses to focus on this new venture,
Speaker 2: like this thing that he does because this is like
Speaker 2: the early version of Hustler's University, this is the thing
Speaker 2: that works really well. And so he decides, being intelligent
Speaker 2: in a very specific way, he decides he's going to
Speaker 2: spin this into the main business that he's going to do,
Speaker 2: and he he opts to in twenty twenty one relaunch
Speaker 2: Hustler's University as Hustler's University two point zero and we're
Speaker 2: going to get into that.
Speaker 1: And it's just what a wonderful innovative title.
Speaker 4: It's so infuriating because it's like kind of brilliant, like
Speaker 4: the timing of it, because like twenty twenty twenty twenty one,
Speaker 4: a lot of people are out of work or have
Speaker 4: more free time at their day to hustle, ready to hustle,
Speaker 4: make make some extra cash on the side, and he's
Speaker 4: just like praying on that.
Speaker 1: It's also like tis time away specifically, I want to
Speaker 1: just emphasize on that a lot of kids are home alone,
Speaker 1: a lot of kids are are doing remote learning school
Speaker 1: and have access to whether that be a computer or
Speaker 1: an iPad or some kind of digital device, and our
Speaker 1: home alone without supervision, and you know, the the algorithms
Speaker 1: have brought them to and dow Tate and.
Speaker 4: And he got them, and.
Speaker 2: He's he's got them, and he's he's offering them. The
Speaker 2: other thing that's happening here too. You know, they're we're
Speaker 2: talking around this they're at home is the pandemic. They're
Speaker 2: they're lonely. Also, the cost of living is skyrocketing and people,
Speaker 2: especially in the UK. This is less the case in
Speaker 2: the US, but in the UK, where's a lot of
Speaker 2: his fans, there's like a financial crisis hitting right, Like
Speaker 2: things have not been great for the last year to
Speaker 2: change over over in the United Kingdom, which is why
Speaker 2: it's so easy to uh to to buy things with
Speaker 2: British pounds right now. Sorry, y'all, it just is at
Speaker 2: the moment, and so Tate is recognizing that, Like there's
Speaker 2: a lot of young kids who are starting to come
Speaker 2: into the economy and realizing how hard it is to
Speaker 2: just tread water, and so they're desperate for anything that
Speaker 2: will give them a hope of getting out of the
Speaker 2: fucking con game that is life under capitalism. And that's
Speaker 2: that's what fucking Tate is is taking advantage of, is
Speaker 2: these kids who are looking for a hack to get
Speaker 2: out of the trap. And yeah, we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about what he does next and how well it fucking works,
Speaker 2: and spoilers will have an appearance from Alex Jones in
Speaker 2: Part four, the final part of this glorious series. But first,
Speaker 2: Ian Sophie, y'all, y'all got stuffs to plugss.
Speaker 1: Ian, what do you have to plug anything?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ian h I.
Speaker 4: Would say, uh, just you know, check out Internet Hate Machine.
Speaker 4: It's one of the other.
Speaker 2: More like Internet Tate Machine. Sorry, that's not right at all.
Speaker 4: That's not what the show is about.
Speaker 2: No, it's not.
Speaker 4: That's another cools On media show that I work on.
Speaker 4: It's a great show with Bridget Todd, really relevant and
Speaker 4: interesting topic about the healthscape that is social media right now.
Speaker 4: And I would also just say plug just being kind
Speaker 4: to others, you know, being a nice, respectful person in
Speaker 4: this world. It's life is already hard enough. It's free
Speaker 4: to not be an asshole. So i'd say that.
Speaker 2: Wow, you say it's free to not be an asshole,
Speaker 2: But if you consider the fact that by not putting
Speaker 2: your mom and your child cousins to work, you're leaving
Speaker 2: money on the table, it actually can be extremely expensive
Speaker 2: not to be an asshole. You can hear more on
Speaker 2: my nine hours series Robert committing crimes using your family
Speaker 2: members as Patsy's University, I teach you.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to plug. Two books that are available
Speaker 1: for pre order right now, the first of which is
Speaker 1: Jamie Loftus's book about hotdogs called raw Dog. It is
Speaker 1: available for pre order. Go to her go to her
Speaker 1: social meds for all that info. And also our very
Speaker 1: own Mercurt Kiljoy of Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,
Speaker 1: which Ian also edits has a book available for pre
Speaker 1: sale also called Escape from Inzell Island. And I would
Speaker 1: like to plug those two books. Check out both of
Speaker 1: their social meds to get info on that bold and.
Speaker 2: Heroic of you, Sophie, and I want to plug my
Speaker 2: new business course, Crime Guy University, where I teach you
Speaker 2: how to take You got a mom who's out of work,
Speaker 2: You got some young cousins. Look, you can monetize that
Speaker 2: shit through the simple, legal, easy method of getting them
Speaker 2: to sell heroin for you.
Speaker 1: You know what, you know what's really about this business though, Robert,
Speaker 1: then I get eighty percent.
Speaker 2: Sophie does get eighty percent, which is why you should
Speaker 2: listen to Sophie's sixteen hour course. That's card literally starting
Speaker 2: a cartel, so that this is sponsored by our friends
Speaker 2: at the Seamaloa Cartels. That's what we called Sophie.
Speaker 5: Anyway, We'll be back bye, We'll be back unfortunately, bye,
Speaker 5: welcome back to Behind the Bastards, the podcast that I
Speaker 5: just tried to introduce badly.
Speaker 2: Uh, and I then completely forgot to start recording. So
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm great, I'm so good.
Speaker 1: Uh we do we have a guest? What's the name
Speaker 1: of the show. What's happening?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Sophie, do we have a guest?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 2: Who are we?
Speaker 8: What do we do?
Speaker 2: Where are we?
Speaker 1: This is Behind the Bastard. You're Robert Evans. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: your overlord, Sophie Lichterman. And our guest is Ian Johnson,
Speaker 1: our wonderful player.
Speaker 2: Hi, Ian, Hey, Sophie, Ian Johnson, incredible editor, Sophie podcast
Speaker 2: and feuror.
Speaker 1: The time he's done that, and it's cringey every time.
Speaker 2: Be the last note will not.
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about Andrew Emerie Tate and boy
Speaker 2: howdy are we talking about Andrew Marie Tate. We just
Speaker 2: finished talking about Hustler's University. Uh, and we're about to
Speaker 2: get into Hustler's University two point zero because Andrew understands
Speaker 2: branding if nothing else. But before we get into that,
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk a little bit, so obviously, while
Speaker 2: this is going on while he's launching this series of
Speaker 2: online classes and deliberately courting controversy online by saying like
Speaker 2: fucked up shit about women to go viral. He's also
Speaker 2: constantly guesting on every right wing podcast that will have him,
Speaker 2: and because of the world is the way it is,
Speaker 2: info Wars is the first place he's able to really
Speaker 2: get some traction, and he's going to abandon them as
Speaker 2: soon as he can, like everybody who gets their start
Speaker 2: on info Wars, because it's a dead end. You want
Speaker 2: to escape Info Wars and get on. He's going to
Speaker 2: eventually be interviewed by like fucking Pierce Morgan and shit,
Speaker 2: but at first he's reliant upon them. And Alex Jones
Speaker 2: sees the potential in this guy and decides, I want
Speaker 2: to try and make Andrew a part of my business,
Speaker 2: which is the thing that Alex does regularly. And it
Speaker 2: leads us to this beautiful ad for the supplement line
Speaker 2: that Alex made branded based on Andrew Tate. So here's
Speaker 2: an ad for Andrew Tait branded Info Wars supplements. Oh boy,
Speaker 2: oh this is this is a real treat for everyone.
Speaker 7: Oh boy, to get a job, the man, to get
Speaker 7: a job.
Speaker 6: They inflate the currency so nobody can exist any other
Speaker 6: way because it's too expensive. The parents are out working
Speaker 6: all day the school and the internet and the matrix
Speaker 6: raise your children.
Speaker 2: Your children go to school all.
Speaker 6: Day and be told things that you may not want
Speaker 6: them to learn. Then they sit on the Internet and
Speaker 6: read things and watch things you may not want them
Speaker 6: to watch. You talk to them for ten minutes.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day they go to bed.
Speaker 6: You're fighting with your ten minutes against endless hours of
Speaker 6: the most entertaining programming or the most forceful programming in
Speaker 6: School's forceful on the internet. It's entertaining convincing them of
Speaker 6: ideas that you perhaps don't agree with. I've seen it
Speaker 6: myself on YouTube. I've seen a guy in America driving
Speaker 6: his car and his kids were in the back seat
Speaker 6: and he was arguing with them about an issue, and
Speaker 6: they was like, where did you hear that school? He's like,
Speaker 6: why did the school tell you that that's not true?
Speaker 6: And his own children are arguing with him because they
Speaker 6: learned to in school. Have you ever tried to take
Speaker 6: your children out of school? You'll get fined, you get
Speaker 6: in trouble. No, your kids have to go to school.
Speaker 6: You have to give your kids away to the school.
Speaker 6: If you don't give your kids away to the brainwashing,
Speaker 6: you'll get in trouble. As an all star fighter businessman,
Speaker 6: motivational speak.
Speaker 9: Switches incredible, it is it is, that is like a
Speaker 9: paling here we go, this is so away, I thought,
Speaker 9: and something up.
Speaker 2: No, just us in with like this mix of Christian
Speaker 2: conservative fear mongering and like divorce dad fear mongering. Oh
Speaker 2: it's perfect, it's perfect. And then we get Alex let's go.
Speaker 8: Speaker and philanthropist Andrew Tate has truly earned the title
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Speaker 6: I think there's a whole bunch of men in the
Speaker 6: world who understands my value. And if men grow up
Speaker 6: to be like me, you're gonna have a whole bunch
Speaker 6: of people with no criminal record, dedicated athletes.
Speaker 2: All right, that's probably yeah, no criminal record.
Speaker 1: Oh, buddy jump spares in that video, so first one
Speaker 1: music amazing.
Speaker 2: It's a.
Speaker 1: Third of all Jake Paul's face.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like.
Speaker 4: Did you see the names of the supplements on.
Speaker 2: The yah, let's go through that. That's probably that's that's
Speaker 2: probably it was.
Speaker 4: It was they were like those names from that Like
Speaker 4: other video we watched in the last episode was like
Speaker 4: sheer per per. I don't even know those words, like sheer, predacity, orpacity, yeah, perspecacity,
Speaker 4: those are like the names of the supplements.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Because he's trying to do like a Muhammad Ali thing, right,
Speaker 2: Like Muhammad Ali would always describe himself and he's very
Speaker 2: flurid off in like rhyming terms. But Muhammad Ali also
Speaker 2: could back up every single thing he said about himself,
Speaker 2: which mister Tait cannot. But it also doesn't matter because
Speaker 2: it's all about it's all about making making the image work.
Speaker 2: So by twenty twenty one, Andrew Tate's image is working
Speaker 2: very well. He has become one of the most popular
Speaker 2: accounts on Twitter, on Instagram, He's got a pretty prominent YouTube.
Speaker 2: He is huge on TikTok. You know, we're talking like
Speaker 2: millions and millions of followers, and combine several billion impressions
Speaker 2: just in like the top g term on TikTok and shit.
Speaker 2: And so he launches Hustler's University two point zero. So
Speaker 2: he had been selling a bunch of different classes. He
Speaker 2: pairs that down and he focuses just on money making schemes.
Speaker 2: And the gist is this, For about fifty dollars a month,
Speaker 2: you get the CLA classes for free, and you also
Speaker 2: get let into this discord.
Speaker 1: Sorry, for fifty dollars a month, you get the classes
Speaker 1: for free. So but what about the fifty dollars a month.
Speaker 2: Well, sorry, you don't get the classes for free. For
Speaker 2: fifty dollars a month, you get access to the classes
Speaker 2: and to a series of Discord rooms. Discord is like
Speaker 2: a chat service. You can do voice and text chat.
Speaker 2: And basically what he's what he is selling is I've
Speaker 2: built this community of people who have gotten rich using
Speaker 2: my tactics, and if you pay this monthly fee, then
Speaker 2: you'll get to hang out with us and they will
Speaker 2: coach you on how to make money and you can
Speaker 2: watch all of our videos on how to make money too.
Speaker 4: And damn it, that's like kind of brilliant on two levels.
Speaker 4: And I hate him for it because a subscription model
Speaker 4: is just passive income coming in every month if as
Speaker 4: long as you can maintain that subscriber base. And now
Speaker 4: he has other people doing the work for him, other
Speaker 4: community doing the teachings he doesn't even.
Speaker 2: Have to do, and the schemes that he's because he has,
Speaker 2: Like you get to pick like one of three or
Speaker 2: four different money making paths to go down when you
Speaker 2: join Hustler's University. It's a little like a video games, yeah,
Speaker 2: but and they're all kind of boring. Basically, you can
Speaker 2: choose to either learn how to day trade like do
Speaker 2: stock trading, or learn how to sell cryptocurrency, or learn
Speaker 2: how to run like a copywriting mill where you're basically
Speaker 2: paying people pennies to write like terrible, shitty fake books
Speaker 2: to take advantage of Amazon's algorithm and trick people into
Speaker 2: paying like two dollars for There's also a lot of
Speaker 2: Amazon affiliate shit. A bunch of it involves taking advantage
Speaker 2: of like the ways that Amazon works, And it's one
Speaker 2: of those things. If you watch YouTube and you don't
Speaker 2: have YouTube read or whatever the fuck YouTube calls their
Speaker 2: subscription service, which I don't because I'm lazy, you get
Speaker 2: all these like shady ads for people telling you like
Speaker 2: I'm gonna teach you how to make a bunch of
Speaker 2: money off of YouTube, or I'm off of Amazon, Like
Speaker 2: did you know that you could get rich, you know,
Speaker 2: creating Amazon affiliate like so with Audible or whatever. That's
Speaker 2: all he's doing. But instead of selling it as like
Speaker 2: this shady video just on how to make money using Amazon,
Speaker 2: he's giving you access to this community of distinguished men
Speaker 2: who all smoke cigars and post pictures of how much
Speaker 2: money they're making. And because all these other guys, again,
Speaker 2: it's taking a lot of these MLM tactics where you're
Speaker 2: surrounding yourselves in this community of other men who are
Speaker 2: going to be bragging constantly that they're making money. So
Speaker 2: you feel like, if I'm not making money, it's not
Speaker 2: because this video is bullshit. It's because I'm not hustling
Speaker 2: hard enough. I'm not taking advantage of all of the
Speaker 2: great advice that I've gotten. It's a pretty clever thing
Speaker 2: to do, and he does encourage his people like post
Speaker 2: your sales, post what you're making this month, and all
Speaker 2: of that's kind of gamed, and a lot of it's
Speaker 2: very scammy, and the same way that like a lot
Speaker 2: of MLM stuff is where it's like, yeah, just post
Speaker 2: your raw sales, don't tell people what your nett is,
Speaker 2: don't tell people how much money you had to put
Speaker 2: into the business to make it work. All that good
Speaker 2: stuff Tate again, is barely present on the actual Hustlers
Speaker 2: University discord. But what he does do is when he
Speaker 2: launches this new version of the service, he spins up
Speaker 2: his media appearances and like all these different right wing
Speaker 2: podcasts and hustler culture podcasts to push the store, and
Speaker 2: he also alters his branding. At this point, earlier, he'd
Speaker 2: kind of been indistinguishable from he'd been kind of at
Speaker 2: the nexus of pickup artist and al right, political weirdo,
Speaker 2: but he increasingly pivots to positioning himself as kind of
Speaker 2: like a jacked and rich Jordan Peterson. And I want
Speaker 2: to play you a video that gives you an example
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 6: Let's quickly talk about like the red pill the day
Speaker 6: game guys, and this is why they're wrong, and this
Speaker 6: is what they don't understand.
Speaker 7: Listen to me, and I'll teach you how.
Speaker 6: To get girls on tender and I'll teach you how
Speaker 6: to go out and get girls in the mall all day.
Speaker 6: If you are walking around the mall all day or
Speaker 6: you're tendering all day, you are giving out attention. You're
Speaker 6: giving out more than you'll ever get back because you're
Speaker 6: a man. You're giving attention out and you don't get
Speaker 6: enough back. So that's an energy deficit. And the zapps
Speaker 6: you love your powers before you know you're gonna end
Speaker 6: up one of them little red pill doors sitting there.
Speaker 7: The man is you're of an alpha bro.
Speaker 4: You're five foot seven. You're not fucking alpha. How are
Speaker 4: you an alpha?
Speaker 7: You're like five foot at alpha.
Speaker 6: Wa walk into a fucking room of basketball players multimillionaire
Speaker 6: six foot five.
Speaker 7: And talk about how alpha you are because of your YouTube.
Speaker 6: Teen fucking these guys, even a dream Alpha has always,
Speaker 6: for the longest period of human time, meant capability for violence.
Speaker 6: That's what Alipha has always meant. Apex preadit a little
Speaker 6: short dude, All right, of course you are. Let's let's
Speaker 6: just let's not even let's meet, and let's not even talk.
Speaker 6: Let's meet and let's just measure our heights. Let's just
Speaker 6: take a picture side by side of me and you,
Speaker 6: and let's talk about al alpha you are. Afterwards, doors
Speaker 6: so they're giving out energy, they don't get energy back.
Speaker 2: The correct way to get pussy like I have is to.
Speaker 6: Absorb the energy from everyone in the room and then
Speaker 6: expel it in a fireball, a lightning strike of power
Speaker 6: and prowess.
Speaker 7: So all the bitches want to fuck you, and they
Speaker 7: pray you come and say hello. That's how you get bitches.
Speaker 7: You don't go and beg them and give energy away.
Speaker 6: No, you steal the energy from every other male and
Speaker 6: then you expel it in a ball of fucking lightning.
Speaker 4: What's happening behind him sounds like he's been watching a
Speaker 4: lot of dragon.
Speaker 2: Yah, Yeah, Like what the hell is.
Speaker 1: He talking about?
Speaker 2: Behind someone's cleaning his house?
Speaker 1: But why is she so close to him?
Speaker 2: Because he likes to show you that, Like that's a
Speaker 2: big part of his He does this in all of
Speaker 2: his like a lot of his videos. He'll make sure
Speaker 2: that like his cleaning lady or one of his camgirls
Speaker 2: is like doing a task behind him to like make
Speaker 2: the point that he's got all these women working for him, right,
Speaker 2: Like that's that's a huge part of the tap myth.
Speaker 2: But what he's doing here in this video is interesting
Speaker 2: to me. He's he's deliberately, he's he's he's positioning himself
Speaker 2: as the opposite of both these whiny men's rights activist
Speaker 2: guys and of the standard pick up artist crew. And
Speaker 2: he's all this talk about height, let's talk about alphas.
Speaker 2: He is playing two in cells because like he knows
Speaker 2: that very young men, mostly in their late teens, who
Speaker 2: are like angry about the fact that girls don't like
Speaker 2: them and angry about the fact that like they're there,
Speaker 2: they don't have all of the money and success they
Speaker 2: think that they're owed that Like that's his that's his business, right,
Speaker 2: that's his fucking bread.
Speaker 1: And butter, and is he why is he choosing to
Speaker 1: like alienate all the short people.
Speaker 2: He's not, He's not. This is actually a two part
Speaker 2: con And what he's doing here is he's getting them.
Speaker 4: So I was gonna say, it's like kind of sounds
Speaker 4: like he's like dunking on exactly who he like is targeting.
Speaker 4: But I think it's probably like a little reverse.
Speaker 2: He is doing, yes, some some negging and stuff right
Speaker 2: to get the to get these guys riled up. But
Speaker 2: he's also so if you remember back, if I don't
Speaker 2: know any of you, read Elliot Rodgers manifesto Eliot Roger
Speaker 2: being the first in cell mass shooter. He talks a lot,
Speaker 2: and he, like the entire in cell community, was formed
Speaker 2: initially as reaction to pick up artistry, right, all of
Speaker 2: these guys who feel like there's something inherently wrong with
Speaker 2: their bodies that makes it impossible for them to pick
Speaker 2: up women in an unfair way, or that feminism has
Speaker 2: ruined it. Roger was obsessed that because he wasn't like
Speaker 2: tall enough or white enough, right, that he was never
Speaker 2: going to get a girl. They initially when they were
Speaker 2: like younger, fell into pick up artistry and when that
Speaker 2: didn't work because none of it works very well, they
Speaker 2: became violent, psychopath like, they became violent right, Like they
Speaker 2: decided like not only was the pick up artistry a
Speaker 2: con but all of society deserved to pay for the
Speaker 2: fact that they got conned by pickup artists. Andrew recognizes this,
Speaker 2: and so the first thing he's doing is he is
Speaker 2: going after the pick up artists, right, and he's going
Speaker 2: after it in a way that's going to get all
Speaker 2: these inceel dudes like agitated, but is also going to
Speaker 2: play to the fact that they realize they're being conned
Speaker 2: by these people. And I think that's an interesting choice.
Speaker 2: And the other thing that he's doing, he starts by
Speaker 2: talking about how like you're not alpha if you're not
Speaker 2: tall enough, right, that all, but he's also framing it
Speaker 2: as like these pickup artists aren't real alphas because they're
Speaker 2: not big. And it sounds at first like he's kind
Speaker 2: of going into this it's hopeless if you're not tall,
Speaker 2: you'll never get a woman. That's actually not the claim
Speaker 2: that he's making. I'm going to play you another clip
Speaker 2: that's kind of an extension of his message that shows
Speaker 2: how he's talking to these insell folks. After he gets
Speaker 2: through with the kind of slamming the uh slamming the
Speaker 2: pickup artist crew, and the message that he has for
Speaker 2: the actual people being taken advantage of by the pickup
Speaker 2: artist community is kind of liberatory in a weird way.
Speaker 6: Now I have jenetic gifts, I understand you do not have,
Speaker 6: but I've also worked on my jenay gis.
Speaker 2: I didn't just have them.
Speaker 4: You know, I worked.
Speaker 7: But even if you, if you did the work I did,
Speaker 7: you'd still be tap one percent, even without the genetics,
Speaker 7: because you have no idea how hard I've worked.
Speaker 6: But the point is, if I teach you how to
Speaker 6: absorb energy from everyone else around you, then you instantly
Speaker 6: become the most powerful person in the room. So there's
Speaker 6: not only so much about being big and being strong
Speaker 6: and having a lambo. It's about absorbing energy and attention.
Speaker 6: So you people do not understand. And ninety nine percent
Speaker 6: of the things people teach you, they teach you how.
Speaker 2: To expel energy.
Speaker 6: You can expel and lose huge amounts of energy chasing
Speaker 6: bitches and trying to make money. You don't get enough back.
Speaker 6: Whereas if you can flip the script, then the whole
Speaker 6: world changes.
Speaker 1: This is what you need to understand, so that right there,
Speaker 1: he's insufferable? Is it that?
Speaker 2: That's this is worth really drilling into and paying attention to,
Speaker 2: because this is an extremely appealing message to the kind
Speaker 2: of young men who are like on the edge of
Speaker 2: where Elliott Roger was right, These children and it are
Speaker 2: these guys they're starting out in the world. Mostly we're
Speaker 2: talking young white teenagers, though not exclusively, but like men,
Speaker 2: and it's hard out there. Obviously, it is still easier
Speaker 2: to be a man or a white man than it
Speaker 2: is to be basically anything else, but it's not as
Speaker 2: much easier as it used to, right, And some of
Speaker 2: that's because things are less unfair than they used to
Speaker 2: be in some regards, and some of it's just because
Speaker 2: the economy's gotten worse. The world has gotten harder a
Speaker 2: number of things. There's a lot of shit's gotten uglier.
Speaker 2: Capitalism has kind of gotten more undeniably brutal, even to
Speaker 2: the chunk of people who were initially being lifted up
Speaker 2: by it. And so these kids get out there and
Speaker 2: shit's not as easy. They're not getting handed the things
Speaker 2: that they're supposed to get handed, and a lot of
Speaker 2: them turn nihilistic, and the radical right has always targeted
Speaker 2: men in this age group and socioeconomic group. And these
Speaker 2: are again young people who recognize and some of what
Speaker 2: they're recognizing, like with Robert Blise Folks is fair. There's
Speaker 2: a degree a lot of atomization in our society. It
Speaker 2: is not encouraged for men to have like intimate friendships
Speaker 2: with other men. It's deeply lonely, it's deeply competitive in
Speaker 2: a way that's really vicious. And these people are suffering,
Speaker 2: and the Right always has has made a lot of
Speaker 2: their early recruitments by kind of coming in and finding
Speaker 2: these men trying to make sense of their suffering and
Speaker 2: offering them an answer. But while the kind of in
Speaker 2: cell youth culture that has been deeply influential online is
Speaker 2: super nihilistic, Tait is reaching out to these people and
Speaker 2: he's preaching to these awkward, nerdy kids with social anxiety,
Speaker 2: but he's offering them a sense of hope where he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're not going to be like me because you're not
Speaker 2: six three, if you're like five to seven, but if
Speaker 2: you put in the work I've put in, you can
Speaker 2: still be in that top one percent, right, it's about
Speaker 2: taking and absorbing energy. And I have these tactics. Your
Speaker 2: genetics are not the only thing that matters. Right, You
Speaker 2: can actually overcome that with enough work and find a
Speaker 2: way to make money and get you know, women, right,
Speaker 2: Like that is actually the pitch that he's making. And
Speaker 2: for the people who are kind of adjacent to these
Speaker 2: in cell communities, that's a more optimistic pitch than they've
Speaker 2: been getting from a lot of people. Again, if you
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time on some of these in
Speaker 2: cell boards, it's dude's obsessing with like, oh, because of
Speaker 2: the my chin is only this wide and not this wide,
Speaker 2: so it's physically impossible for a woman to love me,
Speaker 2: or like I have this like epicanthic eyefold or whatever,
Speaker 2: Like my nose is this size, and so I will
Speaker 2: never have sex and like this is a biological reality.
Speaker 2: And what Tait's actually saying is the people telling you
Speaker 2: this are full of shit. But also like, I have
Speaker 2: a tactic for how you can and it just involves
Speaker 2: hard work. It doesn't matter that you don't have these
Speaker 2: genetic gifts. You actually can overcome that. And this is
Speaker 2: when you start talking about Tait on any kind of
Speaker 2: open forum. Right, You're going to get people coming in
Speaker 2: and saying some version of He's the only reason I'm alive.
Speaker 2: He kept me from killing I sell for like I
Speaker 2: think he's talking to And this is because as toxic
Speaker 2: as he is, finding Andrew Tait, if you are one
Speaker 2: of these young men who might have gone Elliott Roger
Speaker 2: might be better for you than like falling down the
Speaker 2: rabbit hole you would have fallen down before him. That's
Speaker 2: not a necessarily an inaccurate statement.
Speaker 1: Right, he tricks them into having home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And again the point I'm making here, I
Speaker 2: am not saying that he is a net good. He's
Speaker 2: absolutely not. But when people people who are specifically look
Speaker 2: like we're kind of in danger of falling into this
Speaker 2: in cell rabbit hole, if they find Tait, that might
Speaker 2: be better for them than the road they would have
Speaker 2: gone down. Now that's a small subset of the folks
Speaker 2: who are actually encountering his stuff. But when people make
Speaker 2: that point, it's not there's not nothing there, and it's
Speaker 2: not because Tate cares about saving kids. It's because this
Speaker 2: is how to get money from them, right exactly.
Speaker 4: And it just speaks to again how exploited of the
Speaker 4: whole thing is because you're already you're going after these
Speaker 4: people who are already very clearly vulnerable and at a
Speaker 4: low point, and you're just praying on that and taking
Speaker 4: advantage of it. And it's just like, yeah, it's just disgusting.
Speaker 2: It's all disgusting. But I also think it's really worth
Speaker 2: understanding the degree to which he understands the online ecosystem.
Speaker 1: He's feeding it, right, and that's why telling them that,
Speaker 1: you know, their greatest insecurities don't matter as long as
Speaker 1: they're you know, they try to be like him and
Speaker 1: be bilt off Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, be a top g Yeah. But one of one
Speaker 2: of his big lines is you don't have to be
Speaker 2: handsome if you're scary why, which he means that like
Speaker 2: ugly dudes can get women if they're jacked, which is
Speaker 2: again that's very bad. Although you could argue it's better
Speaker 2: than you should drive a car into a crowd because
Speaker 2: you'll never find love, right, So this is why people
Speaker 2: make that argument. It's not It doesn't mean that he's
Speaker 2: a net force for good because spoiler, he is not.
Speaker 2: He's a terrible person and his own overall impact is
Speaker 2: a ton of harm. But on this specific community, there
Speaker 2: is an argument to be made, and that's where that
Speaker 2: argument comes from, right. Yeah, And again the idea that
Speaker 2: like he shouldn't be deplatformed because he's gonna save all
Speaker 2: these in cells is nonsense. It's just not coming out
Speaker 2: of nowhere, right, because that is where his money comes from. Right,
Speaker 2: That's the group of people he's decided to take advantage of.
Speaker 2: And I do think in the long run he might
Speaker 2: wind up having just as much of a negative effect
Speaker 2: on these kids as the pickup artist's hat on Elliott Roger.
Speaker 2: It just hasn't been going on that long because eventually
Speaker 2: they're going to see none of what he says works, right, Like,
Speaker 2: in the long run, it's not going to work. It's
Speaker 2: just in the short term less nihilistic than drive your
Speaker 2: car into a crowd, although it might still end in
Speaker 2: the same place. But you know who won't tell kids
Speaker 2: to oh boys. So if he just rolled ads, ah,
Speaker 2: we are back. So Tait is kind of while a
Speaker 2: lot of his pitch is laser targeted at young men
Speaker 2: going down that specific in cell rabbit hole, once he
Speaker 2: kind of captures that demographic again, he's an innovator. He
Speaker 2: starts to broaden his appeal as fast as he can
Speaker 2: because he wants to reach as many vulnerable young men
Speaker 2: as he possibly can. And he is a cognizant person
Speaker 2: of the time that he's in. He recognizes there's a
Speaker 2: lot of movement and there's a lot of cultural momentum
Speaker 2: behind certain left wing ideas, including criticisms of capitalism. I
Speaker 2: actually think people don't recognize enough how superficially critical of
Speaker 2: capitalism Andrew Taitus and how much of his appeal comes
Speaker 2: from that. And to kind of exhibit that, I want
Speaker 2: to play a clip from him on the Fresh and
Speaker 2: Fit podcast, which he is sitting in between like eight
Speaker 2: seven or eight women who look like they're all Instagram
Speaker 2: kind of done up in influencer type people.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's bullshit, that slave mind garbage feminists, racist garbage,
Speaker 6: crap that's been put in your brain that you need
Speaker 6: to resist. Absolutely nothing to do with Eurocentric's bullshit.
Speaker 4: It's garbage.
Speaker 7: You need to resist that kind of shit. I'm telling
Speaker 7: you the problems with.
Speaker 6: The world today are very, very specific, and I state
Speaker 6: this without patronizing you.
Speaker 7: I don't want to patronize you. I'm an old man.
Speaker 7: I've been around the block.
Speaker 6: The problems in the world today exist because the people
Speaker 6: who are in charge of the world have done a
Speaker 6: very very clever thing. They've specifically designed the world in
Speaker 6: which a way that the people at the bottom, because
Speaker 6: we're all at the bottom, even me with all my millions, right,
Speaker 6: the people at the bottom are so busy fighting with
Speaker 6: each other that we never look up and realize we're
Speaker 6: getting fucked. And the reason they do that the blacks
Speaker 6: hate the whites, Republicans take the Democrats, the men hate
Speaker 6: the women. Eurocentric He said this, you don't have pay
Speaker 6: gap blah blah blah. It's all slave mind shit to
Speaker 6: keep us all fighting amongst each other. Do you think
Speaker 6: when a billionaire who's black meets a billionaire who.
Speaker 7: White, they talk about race.
Speaker 6: No, you think a white You think a female billionaire
Speaker 6: a male billionaire meet they start talking about eurocentricism, feminist
Speaker 6: fucking garbage.
Speaker 7: No, no, stop buying into that ship. It's a fucking trick.
Speaker 7: It's a fucking lie, all of it. Throw it away.
Speaker 2: Throw it the fuck away.
Speaker 7: If you want to be attractive as a female, you
Speaker 7: know what you need to do.
Speaker 4: You need to go to the gym.
Speaker 7: Just because Myron said it just because Myron said it.
Speaker 7: You need to be smart enough.
Speaker 6: You need to be smart enough to not let yourself
Speaker 6: get triggered by the fact that he just said something
Speaker 6: you're not used to hearing.
Speaker 1: That's all it is.
Speaker 4: That's all it is.
Speaker 1: So every second of that it is, it is miserable.
Speaker 2: But he's again, that is a superficial kind of class
Speaker 2: analysis right where he's talking about billionaires all have solidarity
Speaker 2: with each other. Uh, we're all we're all poor. And
Speaker 2: he's again he's lying about this. He is he is,
Speaker 2: he's a multi millionaire, possibly multi hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: But you see what he's doing. He recognizes everyone hates
Speaker 2: these billionaires everyone. You cannot ignore inequality and the role
Speaker 2: that it has on Like why all these young men
Speaker 2: who are vulnerable to my message, you're suffering? So I
Speaker 2: have to fucking play to that. Right, and again he
Speaker 2: is offering this kind of he starts with this thing
Speaker 2: that has elements of left wing analysis to it, elements
Speaker 2: of like, you know, capitalism is a con game. The
Speaker 2: rich are a class, and they have solidarity with each other,
Speaker 2: and they're trying to keep you guys fighting so that
Speaker 2: you don't organize against them. There's pieces of left wing
Speaker 2: analysis there. But then Tait's solution is not dismantled the system.
Speaker 2: It's not go after these guys. It's treat it like
Speaker 2: a trap you escape by getting rich and jacked. Right,
Speaker 2: that's the way that that's the way it's to say. Again,
Speaker 2: look back to Robert Bli, where he's he's very accurately stating,
Speaker 2: here are some fucked up things capitalism is doing the men.
Speaker 2: Here are ways in which capitalism and the patriarchy is
Speaker 2: harming men. The solution is for men to like go
Speaker 2: out into the woods and play drums and learned how
Speaker 2: to hunt and stuff. Not the solution is for men
Speaker 2: and women to organize to make a more just society
Speaker 2: that doesn't harm us in these ways. It takes doing
Speaker 2: a version of the same thing. Like Bli, he's diagnosing
Speaker 2: parts of the problem, and then the thing he's selling
Speaker 2: you is, here's how you personally can get out of
Speaker 2: it by doing this thing that feeds money to me.
Speaker 1: Right, he's insufferable, He's insufferable, but it works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And obviously other people are pushing pieces of this
Speaker 2: message on young folks. But his presentation is the most polished.
Speaker 2: He is a good speaker, and I don't mean that
Speaker 2: in the you should like the way he speaks. I
Speaker 2: mean it. And he's effective at speaking and getting his
Speaker 2: message across.
Speaker 1: He always the most obnoxious in the room. He's the
Speaker 1: lads in the room, and you make sure of that
Speaker 1: he does.
Speaker 2: And if you watch him with these these young men,
Speaker 2: like these other male influencers on their podcasts, he's so
Speaker 2: good at sucking energy from them, like he actually does
Speaker 2: know how to do that. He's very good at talk,
Speaker 2: not just not even talking over them, but at making
Speaker 2: the focus of the conversation whatever he wants it to
Speaker 2: be and making himself the person that people are focusing on.
Speaker 2: That's the thing he knows how to do.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it's it's it's, it's yeah. And I think probably
Speaker 2: the smartest thing he's done in this whole process is
Speaker 2: co opt the Matrix movies in his messaging. And that
Speaker 2: sounds very silly. The thing that Tate does is he
Speaker 2: basically he positions the matrix is the normal world where
Speaker 2: you like work for some company forty or whatever hours
Speaker 2: a week just to scrape by and if you're lucky,
Speaker 2: maybe buy a house someday. And the thing that Andrew
Speaker 2: tells people is that, like, this is what you have
Speaker 2: to break out of, right, not not that like you
Speaker 2: have to make a more equable system, but you have
Speaker 2: to escape the matrix like Neo does. And it's just
Speaker 2: about freeing yourself.
Speaker 4: And yeah, for everybody else, it's just about getting yourself here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And once he gets kids to accept that idea, the
Speaker 2: thing he tells them that they need to drop out
Speaker 2: of school and spend the money they would spend on
Speaker 2: college on Hustler's university. That is, that is a massive
Speaker 2: part of his pitch. And again it's it's not hard
Speaker 2: to see why this stuff is appealing to a lot
Speaker 2: of young kids. It's married to some of the worst
Speaker 2: misogyny imaginable too.
Speaker 8: Though.
Speaker 2: He tells young men that they should not learn how
Speaker 2: to cook. That's a waste of time. They should find
Speaker 2: a woman to cook for them. They should focus on
Speaker 2: making money. Women shouldn't be allowed to leave the house,
Speaker 2: they shouldn't have friends of their own. This is all
Speaker 2: stuff that Tate preaches to alongside the stuff that's less
Speaker 2: fucked up in Tate's ideology, women being able to have
Speaker 2: their own careers, and lives is also part of the matrix.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: He starts from this reasonable position capitalism is kind of
Speaker 2: a con job, and then he pivots to telling kids
Speaker 2: that the real con is anything that limits the ability
Speaker 2: of young men to do whatever they want in any way.
Speaker 2: And I want to play you now a video that
Speaker 2: he made to advertise Hustler's University two point zero, because it's.
Speaker 7: Something else you cannot stop, you cannot give up.
Speaker 6: You're in the most fantastic place on the planet for
Speaker 6: making money, Hustle's University, and the only person who can ruin.
Speaker 1: That is you.
Speaker 7: Most of you are happy to be losers part time.
Speaker 7: You want to escape. That's why you joined.
Speaker 6: You don't want to be a loser anymore. But then
Speaker 6: that new video game comes out. I'll just play the
Speaker 6: video game. I'll just be a loser for two more weeks.
Speaker 7: Then I'll get back to trying to escape the matrix.
Speaker 6: It doesn't work that way because you jump it out
Speaker 6: of complacency from I'm happy to be a loser and
Speaker 6: do loser things to I can't be a loser anymore.
Speaker 6: When you're jumping it out, you never get momentum. You
Speaker 6: cannot quit. You cannot give up. You need that momentum
Speaker 6: to break free. When a rocket is flying out towards
Speaker 6: the moon, to escape the atmosphere.
Speaker 7: It doesn't fucking pause halfway up the sky, does it. No,
Speaker 7: it keeps going.
Speaker 6: Every single second you're not in Hustle's University, there are
Speaker 6: things happening, conversations happening that you're not watching. Information that
Speaker 6: could be the one little piece of information you need
Speaker 6: to break out. It could be that one little sentence
Speaker 6: that changes everything. You're in Hustle's University and you're gonna
Speaker 6: make money, but it ain't easy. It ain't gonna be
Speaker 6: given to you on a plate. You're gonna have to work.
Speaker 6: You're in competition with the entire world. Everyone wants to escape.
Speaker 7: You cannot be lazy.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's probably enough.
Speaker 1: The filming on this is so weird, Like he Yah
Speaker 1: jumps back and forth between his cars. He's like clearly
Speaker 1: holding an empty mug to look at.
Speaker 2: I think filmed in a way that like is mints
Speaker 2: that they can cut it up for TikTok more easily.
Speaker 2: You see this with like the Liver King too. A
Speaker 2: lot of these guys will their longer YouTube videos will
Speaker 2: have kind of a weird vibe because they're mainly filming
Speaker 2: it to cut it up for TikTok, But you see
Speaker 2: here he's like, there's this fear of missing out. You're
Speaker 2: not doing enough. You've got to break like free, you're
Speaker 2: in competition with everybody else. And it's it's interesting because
Speaker 2: when he's when he's talking this stuff, it's extremely modern
Speaker 2: and it's it's almost a political right, like there was
Speaker 2: not a thing in that that is like you could
Speaker 2: super define as like a particularly political rant. Tate is
Speaker 2: a very political guy, and when he gets into his
Speaker 2: opinions about like women shouldn't be allowed to leave the house,
Speaker 2: you realize he's actually kind of like a traditionalist religious fundamentalist,
Speaker 2: which we will be building towards. But he's smart enough
Speaker 2: that he doesn't get stuck in the traps that a
Speaker 2: lot of religious fundamentalists fall into trying to reach out
Speaker 2: to young men. He doesn't start with any of that.
Speaker 2: It's stuff that kind of comes out later in some
Speaker 2: of his other rants, and he gets this. There will
Speaker 2: be moments where you can he will make these arguments
Speaker 2: about stuff like military service that actually wouldn't seem out
Speaker 2: of place if you're listening to some like left wing
Speaker 2: bread tuber going on a rant. I want to play
Speaker 2: you this clip here because again, it shows how much
Speaker 2: he's kind of separated himself from the traditional right wing
Speaker 2: grift sphere, or at least the traditional conservative grift sphere.
Speaker 2: Think I think you're all.
Speaker 7: We're gonna go die for what, Biden. I'm trying to
Speaker 7: protect American freedom.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're gonna protect the freedom of those people in
Speaker 6: Nebraska by going over to Yemen and bombing some thirteen
Speaker 6: year old farmers. Great job, Stupid, you ain't protected nothing
Speaker 6: but profits for companies that don't care about you.
Speaker 7: Should only protect yourself and your boys. I thought for
Speaker 7: myself and the world champion got some money.
Speaker 1: You don't get any money.
Speaker 7: Your leg blown off, walk around one leg, mister.
Speaker 6: Limpy, mister limpy g for what for?
Speaker 7: Biden doesn't care about you. Don't be stupid, don't be
Speaker 7: dumb them pure as that I'm joining.
Speaker 1: See that's uh, that's a that's first of all, you
Speaker 1: should only protect your boys. Made me sure audibly vomit.
Speaker 1: But uh oh that's how we work.
Speaker 2: Harry at Cool Zone.
Speaker 1: No no, but uh, just like him going like firm
Speaker 1: anti military and anti Biden, like you're you're clearly you
Speaker 1: clearly know your audience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's these it's these kids who grew up right
Speaker 2: after because like I mean, Ian and Sophie and I
Speaker 2: we all grew up kind of right in the wake
Speaker 2: of nine to eleven and all of that, Like where
Speaker 2: the military was this like sacred, uncriticizable thing in mainstream
Speaker 2: American culture. That era is past, and it's i mean,
Speaker 2: obviously in the UK it was always a bit different,
Speaker 2: but like that era is well passed, and you actually
Speaker 2: you can get I mean, Trump did versions of this
Speaker 2: right when he would talk about how you're like a
Speaker 2: loser if you get injured for your country. It would
Speaker 2: always all these Democrats who are stuck in like two
Speaker 2: thousand and six would always get like this has to
Speaker 2: be the end for him. Look, he told people that like,
Speaker 2: injured veterans are chumps, and it's like, no, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: They're people are perfectly willing to say that they are
Speaker 2: chumps because this could like modern conservatism, the modern right
Speaker 2: is so purely focused on the grift and on personally
Speaker 2: sucking as much money out as you can from people
Speaker 2: around you that it doesn't matter. Tate realizes that there's
Speaker 2: no need to be ashamed of this thing, and it
Speaker 2: can draw in folks who are like been to listening
Speaker 2: to these kind of left wing arguments. He starts to
Speaker 2: make one there where he's like, all you're doing joining
Speaker 2: the military is murdering kids and Yemen. You can find
Speaker 2: versions of that and like Marxist like influence and influencer,
Speaker 2: YouTube brands and show.
Speaker 1: It would be so curious to know the specific things
Speaker 1: that he uh watched and read where he like, like,
Speaker 1: what what specifically he learned? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: I think he spends a lot of time and he
Speaker 2: says he spends all of his time online like he's
Speaker 2: working at the time. I think a lot of I
Speaker 2: think a lot of it is he's paying attention to
Speaker 2: what's going viral where, and he's not just paying attention
Speaker 2: to what goes viral on the right. And one of
Speaker 2: the things that happened when he got arrested is you
Speaker 2: had all of these left wing weirdos online, guys like
Speaker 2: Vosh is the one that I remember most specifically being like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, Andrew Tate's bad, but the left needs someone
Speaker 2: like him, who can speak to young men in this way.
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, all he's doing is he's using
Speaker 2: these he's using his bait, little pieces of left wing
Speaker 2: social analysis and class analysis in order to get people
Speaker 2: on the hook, and then he's trying to sell them
Speaker 2: on turning their fifteen year old cousins into uber drivers.
Speaker 2: Like that is all that is here. There's no need
Speaker 2: to replicate this. He's not actually offering people anything. He's
Speaker 2: just the thing that he's promising them. Rather than like
Speaker 2: the grinding act of trying to reform the world in
Speaker 2: a more just way, he's promising them you can get
Speaker 2: a Lamborghini. Well, yes, that's always going to be a
Speaker 2: better pitch to a lot of people than if we
Speaker 2: all work hard and fight like hell, we can make
Speaker 2: the world more just. But you can't. There's no like,
Speaker 2: there's no replicating what Tate's doing because the only thing
Speaker 2: he's promising is a chance at like winning the lottery. Basically, right,
Speaker 2: that's not actually a thing you should shoot for. That's
Speaker 2: my opinion here. So all of the videos that I've
Speaker 2: been playing for you, nearly all of them come from
Speaker 2: fans who will compile clips of his various interviews and
Speaker 2: podcast appearances and put them up on social media. Since
Speaker 2: Tate has been banned from most platforms, this is the
Speaker 2: only way his content gets out. But more than that,
Speaker 2: it's part of a cohesive media strategy. That's how he
Speaker 2: became famous in the first place. Tate built his empire
Speaker 2: knowing that this would happen. And I'm going to quote
Speaker 2: from The Guardian here. Since January, repackaged videos from interviews
Speaker 2: with Tate over the years have been attracting millions of
Speaker 2: views on TikTok, but in recent weeks this growth has accelerated.
Speaker 2: In August. So far alone, clips tagged with his name
Speaker 2: have been watched more than a billion times. The posts
Speaker 2: do not come from Tate himself, who does not appear
Speaker 2: to be active on the platform, but from hundreds of accounts,
Speaker 2: often using his name and photo, run by his followers.
Speaker 2: Members of Hustler's University, members, including boys as young as thirteen,
Speaker 2: are told they can earn up to ten thousand dollars
Speaker 2: a month through lessons on crypto investing, drop shipping, and
Speaker 2: by recruiting others to Tussler's University, earning a forty eight
Speaker 2: percent commission for each person they refer to have the
Speaker 2: best chance of getting people to sign up. They are
Speaker 2: advised to stoke controversy to improve their chances of going viral,
Speaker 2: and one guy at Hustler's University's students are told that
Speaker 2: attracting comments and controversy is the key to success. What
Speaker 2: you ideally want is a mix of sixty seventy percent
Speaker 2: fans and forty to thirty percent haters. You want arguments,
Speaker 2: you want war. And this is the thing he did
Speaker 2: that's brilliant. Or mid twenty twenty two, there was this
Speaker 2: thing where all of these left wing influencers and liberal
Speaker 2: influencers and media people found out about Andrew Tate, and
Speaker 2: for weeks you could not miss him.
Speaker 1: He was every fund, he was everywhere.
Speaker 2: All of these mainstream media people like Pierce Morgan interviewed him.
Speaker 2: There were a couple others. Someone at CNN talked to him.
Speaker 2: I think like there were all these and all of
Speaker 2: them were condemning him. All of them were attacking him.
Speaker 2: A lot of them were making fun of him and
Speaker 2: trying to show him as a loser. All it did
Speaker 2: was make him millions of dollars. This is why when
Speaker 2: people were celebrating like Greta dunking on him. I was like, guys,
Speaker 2: this is how he got rich. Thankfully he happened to
Speaker 2: get arrested after that, but like, this is how he
Speaker 2: got rich. The only reason that we're doing these episodes
Speaker 2: now is number one. I think the strategy, the whole
Speaker 2: sweep of it is important. I wasn't willing to do
Speaker 2: something like this until I thought there was a good
Speaker 2: chance he's not getting out of fucking prison. I mean,
Speaker 2: we'll see, he might still come back to it, but
Speaker 2: I figured it was worth doing.
Speaker 1: It this And I think it's interesting that like his
Speaker 1: reach where he was going on literally CNN, but also
Speaker 1: was doing like he did like an interview on a.
Speaker 2: The Fit and Trim podcast, but also.
Speaker 1: Like he did an entire interview on this like TikTok
Speaker 1: teen show with Barstool Sports BFFs.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we'll have a clip from that in a
Speaker 2: sense yeah, where it's like where it's like yeah, and
Speaker 2: that's the thing, like.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a TikTok and he's like the number
Speaker 2: one guy on TikTok, or was for quite a while.
Speaker 2: And that's that's an there's brilliance in that this was conscious.
Speaker 2: He didn't luck into this, This didn't happen by accident.
Speaker 2: He realized once he gets one hundred thousand or so people,
Speaker 2: He's like, if you've got one hundred thousand people in
Speaker 2: your discord thing following you, and you can get them
Speaker 2: all posting, you can get fifty sixty thousand people a
Speaker 2: day posting clip mashups of your interviews. Some of that's
Speaker 2: gonna go viral. It's gonna be and it's gonna go
Speaker 2: fucking and the algorithm will help carry you. And again
Speaker 2: he part of this, he didn't come up like this
Speaker 2: is part in part based on the fact that he
Speaker 2: pays attention to what's been happening. So we notice is
Speaker 2: Alex Jones has guys like Kanye on because he knows
Speaker 2: that they're going to do provocative, racist shit that the
Speaker 2: media will cover and that'll get his name trending even
Speaker 2: though he's not on social media. He observes this and
Speaker 2: then he goes more proactively after it. Right, what Tait's
Speaker 2: done is he's taken the logic and the sense of
Speaker 2: personal investment that you get in a pyramid scheme or
Speaker 2: an MLM, and he's given and his followers a vested
Speaker 2: financial interest in getting his content trending around the world,
Speaker 2: and this worked incredibly well. The sudden rush of attention
Speaker 2: Tate stuff got in twenty one and twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: drove tens of thousands of mostly very young men to
Speaker 2: Hustler's University and the war Room, which is his even
Speaker 2: more exclusive discord that costs five thousand dollars a month
Speaker 2: or five thousand dollars total to join. Now, both platforms
Speaker 2: have strict requirements for their membership. If you pay five
Speaker 2: grand to join the war Room, you're warned ahead of
Speaker 2: time that you could be banned for any reason, costing
Speaker 2: you five grand if you displease Andrew Tate, So you're
Speaker 2: going to be invested in keeping him happy.
Speaker 1: That's meanwhiletively evil.
Speaker 2: In one of the things you're told if you join
Speaker 2: Hustler's University, he tells you if you don't pay every
Speaker 2: month for this, it means you're not committed enough to
Speaker 2: succeed and are definitely going to fail in life. I
Speaker 2: can remember him doing like a call in show where
Speaker 2: like one guy's like, yeah, I think I need to
Speaker 2: take a month off from membership to buy my mom
Speaker 2: a birthday gift, and he's like, well, if you weren't
Speaker 2: a failure, you would have made that money already using
Speaker 2: the skills you'd learned here, and what they do if
Speaker 2: you if you miss a month of payments on Hustler's University.
Speaker 1: You're not You're not.
Speaker 2: You are siloed off to a separate discord where the
Speaker 2: only thing posted in there is screen grabs of the
Speaker 2: other member's profits.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, exactly, and come back. They want you
Speaker 4: to find a way to get the money to exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm going to continue with a quote from
Speaker 2: that Guardian investigation. We conducted an anonymous experiment with a
Speaker 2: blank account set up for a teenage boy, and we're
Speaker 2: quickly shown content of Tait. After watching two of his videos,
Speaker 2: we were recommended more, including clips of him expressing misogynistic views.
Speaker 2: The next time the account was opened, the first four
Speaker 2: posts were of Tate from four different accounts. In one video,
Speaker 2: posted from an account with Tate's name and face, he describes,
Speaker 2: matter of factly, how he expects his girlfriends to behave
Speaker 2: I inflict I expect absolute loyalty from my woman, he says,
Speaker 2: I am having my chicks talking to other dudes liking
Speaker 2: other dudes. My chicks don't go to the club without me,
Speaker 2: they are at home. This tactic has worked extremely well,
Speaker 2: and the way that social media functions has ensured that
Speaker 2: all the hate Tait receives does nothing but make his
Speaker 2: brand stronger. In mid twenty twenty one, basically every liberal
Speaker 2: and lefty yeah, I already talked about this, but yeah,
Speaker 2: after he gets kicked off of social media, subscriptions to
Speaker 2: Hustler's University only increase. Screenshots posted online showed that Hustler's
Speaker 2: University two point zero had about twelve thousand subscribers in
Speaker 2: March of twenty twenty two when kind of everybody started
Speaker 2: attacking Andrew Tait. By July it had seventy seven thousand subscribers,
Speaker 2: and at the start of August there were one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty nine thousand followers. By the end of August,
Speaker 2: he starts to get even more media attention, and his
Speaker 2: affiliate program that incentivized subscribers gets discontinued, which costs him
Speaker 2: a bunch of people. So, like near the end of
Speaker 2: that month, he goes down by like twenty five thousand
Speaker 2: or so, But that's a temporary loss because By September,
Speaker 2: he's back up to one hundred and sixty thousand subscribers.
Speaker 2: In October, BuzzFeed observed more than two hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: one thousand users in his discord server, which is Hustler's
Speaker 2: university two point zero. Since all of those people were
Speaker 2: paying forty nine to ninety nine a month, that means
Speaker 2: he was making eleven million dollars in October alone just
Speaker 2: from his discord.
Speaker 4: Holy shit, that's crazy. Yeah and yeah, and you know
Speaker 4: he's not paying taxes on it.
Speaker 2: He's already told you you shouldn't pay taxes on your shit.
Speaker 2: Break the law right time. Point now, I think it's
Speaker 2: important to see the way a lot of young men
Speaker 2: react to and imitate Tait, because it could be easy
Speaker 2: to dismiss him as just another weirdo right wing guy online.
Speaker 2: If you don't see that, so, I'm gonna play you
Speaker 2: a clip. This is of some kid. I think they're eighteen.
Speaker 2: This is their TikTok. Watch this. Pay attention to his mannerisms.
Speaker 2: You've all seen enough Andrew Tait now to recognize Tate.
Speaker 3: Pe will think that it's so hard to break the matrix.
Speaker 10: And I'm here to tell you it's not like I,
Speaker 10: I mean, my first million dollars last year and in
Speaker 10: the past twelve months, I was able to turn that
Speaker 10: one million dollars into five point six million at eighteen
Speaker 10: years old. By the way, and I'll tell you this
Speaker 10: right now, I didn't do this by listening to no
Speaker 10: brokeye teacher saying.
Speaker 7: Steady, steady, steady, steady for your degree.
Speaker 3: Fuck your degree. It is not hard to create your
Speaker 3: dream life. Like, once you make that first one hundred k,
Speaker 3: you are out. And if you follow the steps that
Speaker 3: I give you and actually take action and make that
Speaker 3: first one hundred k and not blow it on a
Speaker 3: fucking penthouse or a lambeau, you will be out. So
Speaker 3: stop waiting and join us. People think that it's so hard.
Speaker 2: Wow wow, Yeah, that's like.
Speaker 4: This is literally like Verbad him like clone of scent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right down to like the facial expressions and stuff.
Speaker 4: And he's and even like he's doing kind of a
Speaker 4: weird like semi British accent thing in there something I
Speaker 4: don't know, maybe the kid is British, but like every.
Speaker 2: And he's doing like the term brokey is one that
Speaker 2: evolved within the taps.
Speaker 4: Can exactly the hand gestures like all of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like the thing, by the way, broke is
Speaker 2: like that's what they tell you, Tait. People tell you,
Speaker 2: like call your teachers that tell you, like the adults
Speaker 2: around you who tell you not to obsess with Andrew
Speaker 2: Tate's style, hustlers brokies because they're not multi millionaires, so
Speaker 2: they're losers if you argue with these people online. The
Speaker 2: question they're told to ask you is what color is
Speaker 2: your Bugatti? By the way, the color of Andrew Tate's
Speaker 2: Bugatti now is he doesn't have one because it's been
Speaker 2: confiscated by the Romanian governments. But this again, you see
Speaker 2: why this is like I mean just to for a
Speaker 2: little bit of like personal context, when I was nineteen
Speaker 2: to eighteen nineteen, like I started working, and it sucks,
Speaker 2: Like working for minimum wage and trying to afford an
Speaker 2: apartment was a lot easier fifteen sixteen years ago when
Speaker 2: I was doing it, but like it's still sucked ass.
Speaker 2: And the thing that I wanted more than anything was
Speaker 2: to like figure out some job that would let me
Speaker 2: work from home doing something that wasn't miserable, which is
Speaker 2: like how I started my career in like tech journalism
Speaker 2: and shit like that. Was my sole motivation was to
Speaker 2: not have to spend forty to sixty hours a week
Speaker 2: being miserable in an office in like for someone else's profit.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to have to do that. And like,
Speaker 2: I get how powerful a motivator that is. And there's
Speaker 2: again this kid that we just saw, Like part of
Speaker 2: what he's saying is like these teachers who tell you
Speaker 2: to study for your degree, that's not going to help you.
Speaker 2: And for a lot of people, he's right. I know
Speaker 2: a shitload of people who got a fucking college degree
Speaker 2: and it did nothing but lock them into debt. There's
Speaker 2: there's a reason why kids are vulnerable to this shit,
Speaker 2: and it's because doing things the quote unquote right way
Speaker 2: is often deeply unpleasant. It's just that all Andrew Tate's
Speaker 2: going to get you to do is give him money.
Speaker 2: He's not going to teach you how to escape this system,
Speaker 2: because you can't escape it. Like, even if you think
Speaker 2: that you've escaped it because you've gotten a decent job,
Speaker 2: you're still latched to it one way or the other,
Speaker 2: Like it is still dracking behind you, which is why
Speaker 2: we need to kill it with a spear. But anyway,
Speaker 2: that's that's ads time for some ads. Ah, good stuff.
Speaker 1: So how I'm like good stuff? Not sure? How are
Speaker 1: you gonna ask how we're feeling? U?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how are you feeling? Is everybody doing?
Speaker 1: Everybody happy, sad and concerned for a lot hearing happy.
Speaker 2: I'm hearing happy. That's good.
Speaker 1: Tell us more so.
Speaker 2: In the weeks before his arrest, Andrew was trending in
Speaker 2: what is a legitimately fascinating direction. He announced at the
Speaker 2: start of December of twenty twenty two that he had
Speaker 2: converted to Islam. Now there is a whole video. There's
Speaker 2: a number of them, but I watched a whole video
Speaker 2: with him in some like weirdo Muslim scholar. I don't
Speaker 2: know that this guy is a good It's unlike the
Speaker 2: one Islam network, which has one point seven to four
Speaker 2: million subscribers, this video has one point six million views.
Speaker 2: The guy is Mohammed Jjab. I don't think he's a
Speaker 2: good person. And I'm certainly not saying that he actually
Speaker 2: knows or actually is a is an expert on Islam.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not certainly either, but boy, this
Speaker 2: video is gross as shit. So he tait starts by
Speaker 2: like saying that he had converted to Islam because he
Speaker 2: decided it was the only real religion, right, all of
Speaker 2: the other religions have been cucked by the matrix in
Speaker 2: or fake. And he claimed he used to be an atheist,
Speaker 2: but then he saw evil and that that convinced him
Speaker 2: of the existence of God. And then we get to
Speaker 2: my favorite part, which is the only thing that's entertaining
Speaker 2: in this video and not deeply depressing.
Speaker 6: Longest time, you know, I've never been to like a
Speaker 6: music concernd.
Speaker 2: I just look at it and I feel embarrassed.
Speaker 6: I look at someone up on a stage dancing round,
Speaker 6: and I look at hundreds of thousands of peasants in
Speaker 6: the crowd, just yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 6: I'm I feel cringe, just like secondhand embarrassment when I
Speaker 6: see these festivals and everyone's losing their mind, or these
Speaker 6: music concerts, I genuinely feel embarrassed for the people who go,
Speaker 6: because to me, that is a form of worship, Like
Speaker 6: you can listen to the music at home for free,
Speaker 6: Like you don't have to wait in that line and
Speaker 6: stand out in the cold. I don't know, perhaps it
Speaker 6: was a bit extreme, but I've always known that they're
Speaker 6: trying to give us false idols to some degree. And
Speaker 6: when I speak to atheists, atheists like, oh, I don't
Speaker 6: believe in God, but they've signed up so hard to
Speaker 6: the liberal woe agenda. They're as religious as anybody, but
Speaker 6: they're just believing in the wrong things they're believing.
Speaker 2: So I think that's interesting because what clearly has happened
Speaker 2: here is that Andrew Tait is a deeply malignant narcissist.
Speaker 2: And if you go to a concert, part of like
Speaker 2: what people get out of a concert is losing themselves
Speaker 2: in a piece of another person's creation. And that would
Speaker 2: mean that the focus is not on Andrew Tait, and
Speaker 2: he's simply not only can he not enjoy it, but
Speaker 2: it makes him sick. Yeah, to see other people be
Speaker 2: a focus of attention, Like.
Speaker 1: Live music is one of the greatest we have.
Speaker 2: It's the single best thing that our species has created.
Speaker 1: Like, but Andrew not and ert.
Speaker 2: I do think it's funny.
Speaker 4: It's like, but if people are looking at du Lipa,
Speaker 4: that means.
Speaker 2: No one paying attention to Andrew Tate. Yes, also there's
Speaker 2: definitely videos of him at concerts.
Speaker 1: But at least that's beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's very funny. It's also worth noting that Andrew Tate
Speaker 2: and Jeff Bezos are buddies in baldness and not understanding
Speaker 2: the gift of songs. So that's that's what it's neat
Speaker 2: that they have that in common.
Speaker 1: They also both like to wear really tight pants, which
Speaker 1: is they also both like to.
Speaker 2: Wear really tight pants. That is correct, although I gotta
Speaker 2: say this, Jeff Bezos gave up half of his fortune
Speaker 2: in the divorce, and I don't think that Andrew Tate
Speaker 2: would have done that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, definitely not definitely.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Tate was arrested before the end of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two alongside his brother Tristan, and two Romanian women,
Speaker 2: one of whom was a former Romanian police officer. Some
Speaker 2: of the articles I found that are Romanian will say
Speaker 2: that the women were branded by him. This is not
Speaker 2: entirely accurate. They're saying this because of like nexium right,
Speaker 2: because the second season of The Keith Rinieri Dot came
Speaker 2: out and those women had been branded. The reality is
Speaker 2: that they have Tates girls tattoos, which we know exist.
Speaker 2: I've seen pictures of them on a number of different
Speaker 2: women and like, that's weird, but that is not branding.
Speaker 2: People get tattoos, People get tattoos with dudes' names on them.
Speaker 2: It's not branding.
Speaker 1: And somebody dramatically different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, the guy is deeply abusive, but he is
Speaker 2: not Like, I have not seen any evidence these literally
Speaker 2: branding women. They just got tattoos of his name, which
Speaker 2: is like weird, but not what Keith Ranieri was having
Speaker 2: women do. It is too early for me to comment
Speaker 2: in much detail about the allegations against him. We do
Speaker 2: know that at least two women I think it's up
Speaker 2: to four now have accused one of the Tates, and
Speaker 2: we don't actually know which of the Tates with physical
Speaker 2: and sexual abuse. In addition, both Tits are accused, along
Speaker 2: with those women, of sexually trafficking a number of women
Speaker 2: for their webcam business.
Speaker 1: Do we think he throws brother under the bus to
Speaker 1: save himself one million?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a good chance. I don't think
Speaker 2: Tristan would. Tristan I think is kind of Tristan's a
Speaker 2: giant piece of shit, by the way, Like I think
Speaker 2: that Andrew would throw Tristan under the bus before Tristan
Speaker 2: would throw Andrew under the bus. Although I'm open to
Speaker 2: being surprised. Here for a little bit of context on
Speaker 2: the crimes, I'm going to quote from ruiters here. The
Speaker 2: Directorate for Investigating Organized Crime and Terrorism said the suspects
Speaker 2: appear to have created an organized crime group with the
Speaker 2: purpose of recruiting, housing, and exploiting women by forcing them
Speaker 2: to create pornographic content to be seen on specialized websites
Speaker 2: for a cost. It claimed that the men recruited women
Speaker 2: with the pretense of romance in the lover boy method
Speaker 2: before being forced to perform in pornographic content under the
Speaker 2: threat of violence. Investigators are reported to believe one of
Speaker 2: the performers brought in forty five thousand dollars a month
Speaker 2: or forty five thousand pounds a month, but received no payment,
Speaker 2: and while the women were kept under house arrest. Tate
Speaker 2: claims the women kept eighty to eighty five percent of
Speaker 2: the fees earned and that most of the girls ended
Speaker 2: up being multi millionaires. And look. Tate has his claim
Speaker 2: here that's important to note, but we know that in
Speaker 2: his Hustler's University video he recommends getting people to work
Speaker 2: with you in a gig basis and then lying to
Speaker 2: them about how much money they're making, so you can
Speaker 2: take it all. So I think there's reason to believe
Speaker 2: the Romanian authorities on this one. Now, the prosecution doesn't
Speaker 2: just have that, they have audio that likely some of
Speaker 2: it I think came from a wiretap. Some of it
Speaker 2: seems to have been recorded by one of his victims.
Speaker 2: Some of this audio has been leaked to apparently been
Speaker 2: leaked to local Romanian news sources. Most of the translations
Speaker 2: that I found have been from Romanians on edit on Reddit.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to quote directly from it because I
Speaker 2: just am not certain about the providence of all of
Speaker 2: this yet. But some credible Romanian news sources are reporting that,
Speaker 2: based on these leaked conversations that the prosecution has Tate
Speaker 2: openly discusses using the women who worked for him to
Speaker 2: launder Bunny and talks about the fact that he is
Speaker 2: committing crimes. He does this very openly. They have him
Speaker 2: recorded talking about the laws that he's broken. Because as
Speaker 2: smart as he is in terms of how to get
Speaker 2: himself going viral on TikTok, he's not comprehensive. Again, like
Speaker 2: everything about Andrew, he's not as good as he thinks
Speaker 2: he is, and in this case, it seems to have
Speaker 2: bitten him in the ass. Now, it is worth noting
Speaker 2: that Tate's house had been rated like six months before
Speaker 2: his arrest, so he was aware that the police were
Speaker 2: on him. It's kind of baffling to me that he
Speaker 2: did not, and maybe it shows his arrogance that he
Speaker 2: didn't try to flee the country with his assets or
Speaker 2: as much of them as possible, and instead he kind
Speaker 2: of seated his fan base with comments about the fact
Speaker 2: that he was likely to be arrested or killed. This
Speaker 2: is sort of a John McAfee, and I'm sure that's
Speaker 2: who he's copying from. Here. Here's a clip from a
Speaker 2: fan video I found with nearly seven hundred thousand views
Speaker 2: at the time of publication of this episode.
Speaker 11: This right here is one of my eighteen audiobooks that
Speaker 11: I own.
Speaker 2: It made another Audible.
Speaker 11: They're Spanish for kids, and I don't even speak Spanish. Okay, guys,
Speaker 11: I paid fifty dollars here the audio, and I just
Speaker 11: uploaded the file to Audible. But what's amazing about this?
Speaker 11: I make about fifty to one hundred sales, and for
Speaker 11: each sale I get paid, So.
Speaker 2: Again, part of why Andrew is because this is he.
Speaker 2: He will tell you how to do a version of
Speaker 2: this scam, and so will a million other people. Part
Speaker 2: of why take gets away with what he's doing is
Speaker 2: we have built a culture in which every single mass
Speaker 2: media organ is largely supported by a variety of scams
Speaker 2: and cons designed to suck money from people and provide
Speaker 2: them with nothing. Including That's how YouTube makes its money.
Speaker 2: This is a huge amount of YouTube's advertising, like is
Speaker 2: shit like this. That's why Andrew is able to maneuver
Speaker 2: and act is that our culture has created the space
Speaker 2: where it is all nothing but a series of cons
Speaker 2: from the top to the bottom. Anyway, let's let's watch
Speaker 2: this video now of him talking about how he's going
Speaker 2: to be murdered for cracking the matrix.
Speaker 4: To think they're not.
Speaker 7: All I'm trying to do is teach men to be strong.
Speaker 6: If they decide to kill me on a long enough timeframe,
Speaker 6: they're going to be successful.
Speaker 4: But I can't.
Speaker 6: I don't want to live in fear because what did
Speaker 6: I say in the earlier tenant? If I become a coward,
Speaker 6: I will live in fear and it breeds in action.
Speaker 1: The music amazing.
Speaker 2: I want the world to know about.
Speaker 6: Absolutely never ever kill myself under any circumstances. Ever, no
Speaker 6: matter what they say, I did not kill myself. I
Speaker 6: don't want to be seen as a threat to I
Speaker 6: have to die. I want to be seen as a
Speaker 6: positive force.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you right now. Andrew absolutely would commit
Speaker 2: suicide if he thought he was never going to get
Speaker 2: out of prison, just like John McAfee did. Just like Look,
Speaker 2: narcissists do this all the time. He's just hoping that
Speaker 2: he can rile people up, get folks angry, maybe inspire
Speaker 2: some violence on his behalf. Again, this is a pretty
Speaker 2: This is part of the playbook where he's not being
Speaker 2: creative at all. He's just doing a John.
Speaker 1: McAfee, literally doing a McAfee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, true to and I hope he I hope
Speaker 2: he does the full McAfee, by the way, true to form.
Speaker 2: Immediately after his request, someone with access to his account
Speaker 2: posted a link to Hustler's University three point zero, which
Speaker 2: is the newest face of his alle. He had just
Speaker 2: launched this before he got arrested. Now Hustler's University three
Speaker 2: point zero lifts at the link, join therealworld dot com
Speaker 2: and on the website is a video made with clips
Speaker 2: from The Matrix and some other movies, alongside clips of
Speaker 2: Tate and clips of other YouTube stars attacking him because
Speaker 2: he was like on Logan Paul's show, and then when
Speaker 2: he got arrested, Logan Paul pretended that like he hated him.
Speaker 2: All this stuff above the video is the text. It's
Speaker 2: time to wake up Neo, Join us a mass wealth,
Speaker 2: escape slavery. Hustler's University. Bustler is a university, Pustler's University.
Speaker 2: Want to learn about Housler's University. There's a bunch of
Speaker 2: rooms to go into and those rooms have a millionaire
Speaker 2: professors who are taught by a millionaires that answer your questions.
Speaker 2: They give you everything on a silver planning. It may
Speaker 2: be impossible to not make money if you follow what
Speaker 2: they see.
Speaker 6: Not only having contact with actual multimillionaires, being part of
Speaker 6: a community of students, we all helping you.
Speaker 2: It's a community people that are there for you, who
Speaker 2: are in there for one thing and has to make money.
Speaker 1: I've already made my money back after the first day.
Speaker 2: I've made five k this month from just joining. That's
Speaker 2: fucking crazy.
Speaker 6: I've made four k in my first month, three two
Speaker 6: thousand dollars for two weeks.
Speaker 2: I just made the buckets. What it tells goalers the
Speaker 2: great song, so fucking cheeks.
Speaker 1: All in all, I made about three thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: I go with the match my nine to five income.
Speaker 2: I shadowed that by five times.
Speaker 4: It's had days where I made two or three thousand dollars,
Speaker 4: and that's like what I used to make in a month.
Speaker 7: That'll allow me.
Speaker 2: There are so many guys in this video. We probably
Speaker 2: saw like fucking close to one hundred of them in
Speaker 2: that first series of just like different clips of people
Speaker 2: talking about their experience with Hustler's University. Again, hundreds of
Speaker 2: thousands of people who have paid him money directly and
Speaker 2: have joined. And all of these dudes are still on
Speaker 2: Hustler's University. It is still functioning as far as I
Speaker 2: have heard, and presumably still deeply invested in Tait's success,
Speaker 2: Like this is not a problem that's over and it is.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't know the court case. Andrew and
Speaker 2: his brother basically have not actually been formally charged yet
Speaker 2: as of publication of this episode, or at least as
Speaker 2: of the recording of it. They are on a thirty
Speaker 2: day hold to while the Romanian court kind of gets
Speaker 2: shit in order to see what they're actually going to
Speaker 2: charge them on. Some of this is just that, like
Speaker 2: Andrew's obviously a flight risk. He has whole videos about
Speaker 2: all the private jets that he has access to, so
Speaker 2: we'll see. I think there's a chance Andrew has played
Speaker 2: his last cards, although I think there's a chance he
Speaker 2: winds up getting out. And this has another ugly chapter,
Speaker 2: but there's a very good chance he's going to do
Speaker 2: serious prison time, like ten plus years in Romania. And however,
Speaker 2: Rabbit his fan base is now, if he spends years
Speaker 2: in prison, I think that will dull his appeal for
Speaker 2: one thing, it'll make him look like a loser. But
Speaker 2: in the here and now, all we are all left
Speaker 2: with the problem of all of these fucking people, these
Speaker 2: young minds, these weirdos, these kids that he's influenced. Multiple schools,
Speaker 2: particularly in the United Kingdom, have had to hold classes
Speaker 2: and seminars on de radicalizing teenage boys who fell through
Speaker 2: Andrew Tate. And I'm going to close this episode by
Speaker 2: reading a quote from one of those articles in the
Speaker 2: Times of London. His initial attraction to young people, said
Speaker 2: one teacher was often his advice around being confident and
Speaker 2: financially successful, and from there he capitalizes on a post
Speaker 2: me too anxiety with comments such as females don't have
Speaker 2: independent thought, they don't come up with anything. They're just
Speaker 2: empty vessels waiting for someone to install the programming. Jay Jordan,
Speaker 2: a teacher in Dundee of five years, said the recent
Speaker 2: interest in Tate had made boys more hostile. Used to
Speaker 2: have to deal with sexist stuff, but now it's explicitly
Speaker 2: connected to Andrew Tate. The boys do not stop talking
Speaker 2: about him, she said. In one class she reprimanded a
Speaker 2: fourteen year old, you're just a woman, he responded. Jordan,
Speaker 2: thirty seven, said, we've definitely gone backwards and it is worrying.
Speaker 2: And that's the fun place to end the Andrew Tait cast,
Speaker 2: the Tate pisodes. How we doing gang? Uh?
Speaker 4: That's just yeah, like I said before, it's I'm scared
Speaker 4: because there's like hundreds of thousands of boys and young
Speaker 4: men who think like this and like they're they're not
Speaker 4: they're not in jail, they're not going anywhere, you know,
Speaker 4: So like that this mindset and this ideology is going
Speaker 4: to continue to be proliferated, and it's it's pretty, it.
Speaker 2: Is terrifying, and it's it's worth noting again people talking about, like,
Speaker 2: what's the solution, is throwing him in prison the solution,
Speaker 2: and like, no, throwing him in prison is a tourniquet.
Speaker 2: Maybe I think it might stop his ability to grow
Speaker 2: the way that he would have grown if it hadn't.
Speaker 2: Deplatforming was a total failure in this, Like kicking him
Speaker 2: off of shit did nothing but increase his reach in
Speaker 2: his profitability because of the quote unquote controversy that got
Speaker 2: jam and the thing to blame here, there's a couple
Speaker 2: of things. Number One, the structure of social media is
Speaker 2: to blame the structure of social media in order to
Speaker 2: stop and Andrew Tait. It's not getting better arresting these guys.
Speaker 2: It's changing the structure of social media to not reward
Speaker 2: the kind of conflicts that he deliberately incited. In order
Speaker 2: to the fact that like, if you do something super
Speaker 2: fucked up and racist and people get angry about it,
Speaker 2: it increases your reach on every social media app that exists.
Speaker 2: Is a huge part of the problem, and the reason
Speaker 2: why that will not change is fundamentally that's how all
Speaker 2: of these people make money, whether they're the good Twitter,
Speaker 2: the bad elon tw Twitter, they all made their money
Speaker 2: by making people fight or by not making people fight,
Speaker 2: but by sharing things that would make people angry so
Speaker 2: that they would engage in fights. That's a big part
Speaker 2: of what Andrew Tate recognized. The other thing is the
Speaker 2: entire structure of the system that we live under, rewards,
Speaker 2: cons and grifts. It is all figure out what the latest.
Speaker 2: As technology increases, there are more opportunities to run versions
Speaker 2: of the same old MLM scam that will not be
Speaker 2: recognized yet by the government as illegal. Right, So you
Speaker 2: get in there as fast as you can, and you
Speaker 2: make your money, and then you fucking escape. And this
Speaker 2: is the way. This is the fucking cryptocurrency thing, right,
Speaker 2: This is all that NFT shit. It's this. This the
Speaker 2: new scam that is really just the old scam dressed
Speaker 2: up in enough of a coat of paint that nobody
Speaker 2: recognizes that like, none of like the law doesn't recognize
Speaker 2: it for a couple of years. That's all Andrew has
Speaker 2: ever been doing. That's all he is purporting to teach you.
Speaker 2: And he just was sloppy enough with aspects of his life,
Speaker 2: and that he wasn't able to keep doing it long enough, right, Like,
Speaker 2: the only reason he got caught is that he bragged
Speaker 2: about breaking the laws in Romania and that they weren't
Speaker 2: going to punish him. And also he was too good
Speaker 2: at becoming famous. If he had stayed a few levels
Speaker 2: lower than this, if he'd stayed at like that Alex
Speaker 2: Jones level or whatever of social media influence, even he
Speaker 2: probably would have kept getting away with it. But he
Speaker 2: was so big that it created such a fuss, and
Speaker 2: the Romanian government had to be like, look now he's
Speaker 2: bragging about sex trafficking, and the EU's angry at us
Speaker 2: because we already have this problem. Let's destroy this guy's
Speaker 2: life in order to because he basically forced us to write.
Speaker 2: If he'd been a little bit less of an idiot,
Speaker 2: a little bit more careful, he would have gotten away
Speaker 2: with it for longer, and the next one probably will.
Speaker 2: Although maybe all of these guys, because they're narcissists, are
Speaker 2: unable to kind of pull back from the ledge before
Speaker 2: they go over it. I guess that's the optimistic thing.
Speaker 2: Maybe fundamentally, the kind of guy who can do and
Speaker 2: Andrew Tait is always going to be so much of
Speaker 2: an egomaniac that they can't stop themselves. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the way that he's reached his audience
Speaker 1: should be examined and that it's truly terrifying. It's truly
Speaker 1: terrifying the reach that he has and that the Internet
Speaker 1: basically has rewarded him for it. I hope these days
Speaker 1: in jail, yeah, long time and fizzles out. But as
Speaker 1: we can see, Andrew Tate clones will just keep popping up.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And that's that's the scary thing. Like somebody
Speaker 4: else who can can just like study this model, find
Speaker 4: the holes in it and patch it up and then
Speaker 4: you know, you got your next Andrew Tate, you know,
Speaker 4: four point zero or whatever. And that's what's scary about
Speaker 4: it is as long as our current social media ecosystem
Speaker 4: exists and the way news is covered, you know, as
Speaker 4: long as that model exists, somebody is just going to
Speaker 4: keep finding ways to exploit this and and do the
Speaker 4: same thing. And uh yeah, that's that's scary.
Speaker 2: It is scary. But you know what's not scary, you're pluggables,
Speaker 2: that's you ian.
Speaker 1: What do you got.
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Speaker 4: I don't know, there might be something that I love.
Speaker 2: You well, thank you, thank you, Ian, thank you for
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Speaker 4: Yes, let's see it? All right?
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