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Speaker 1: This is the warning and live from the Canon House

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Speaker 1: Office building. Is Congressman Roe Kanna a bright light in

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Speaker 1: a dim time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Thank you, Steve. I appreciate your voice out there.

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Speaker 1: What is the mood amongst your fellow Democrats right now, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's one of.

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Speaker 3: Introspection to see what we need to do in terms

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Speaker 3: of connecting with rural communities, with the industrialized towns, factory towns,

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Speaker 3: communities of color, of working class voters.

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Speaker 2: To build trust.

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Speaker 3: But it's also one of resolve, a sense that we

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Speaker 3: can win back in twenty twenty six, win back in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight, stand up to the president when he

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Speaker 3: engages in actions that are extreme and betray the people

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Speaker 3: who voted for him.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like that there's a plan or a

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Speaker 1: plan coming together inside the House where there is a

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Speaker 1: vision to be able to block to pick up a

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Speaker 1: couple vulnerable Republican members to help you block Trump from

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Speaker 1: doing his worst, including perhaps even voting to restrict funding

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Speaker 1: to some of Trump's more abusive policies. Has anybody sat

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Speaker 1: down so far and with you in the room, and

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Speaker 1: I would hope you would be one of the people

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Speaker 1: talk about why we're sitting in the minority by two seats.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have a conversation about what the plan

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Speaker 1: to be upfront in opposition to the abuses that we

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: I just was chatting with Jamie Raskin this morning in

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Speaker 3: the House Democratic Caucus, and he was telling you about

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Speaker 3: how do we focus our attention on the most egregious abuses,

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Speaker 3: And we are having those conversations with the ranking members

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Speaker 3: on our committees. In fact, this morning we were electing

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Speaker 3: terms of Republicans joining in that effort, you know, the

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Speaker 3: Republican Caucus has not suddenly become more functional. I mean

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Speaker 3: looks like we're stuck here and they can't get a

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Speaker 3: continuing resolution. So it's not going to take a lot

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Speaker 2: But right now, under Hikim.

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Speaker 3: Jeffery's leadership, I mean, we're focused on how do we

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Speaker 1: Regard to the continuing resolution. As I understand the politics

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Speaker 1: of this right now, the Speaker Johnson wants this to

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Speaker 1: go into March, and Senate Republicans are saying, please God, no,

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Speaker 1: we want a clean slate coming into the Trump presidency.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to be stuck trying to fund the

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Speaker 1: I assessing that correctly? That's the politics of it.

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Speaker 3: Got, as always some Republicans saying, we don't want these

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Speaker 3: continuing resolutions. We want to have a regular process. We

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Speaker 2: The problem is when.

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Speaker 3: They want a regular budget. They've got an extreme caucus

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Speaker 2: That if they actually made those cuts, they'd lose thirty seats.

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Speaker 3: And so this is the dance song and dance they've

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Speaker 2: Year that they keep giving the Continuing.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I think that first we were the Democrats

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Speaker 1: In this vote, in this debate. So people who are

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Speaker 1: in March, when this continuing resolution, this basic will put

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Speaker 3: Correct The continuing Resolution says we can fund government at

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Speaker 2: If we get the three months continuing resolution, and.

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Speaker 1: This will give Democrats then in a two seat minority,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump potentially abusing the powers of the presidency on

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean this is going to mean that Johnson

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine that he's going to be able to

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Speaker 3: He hasn't been able to do it so far. And

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Speaker 3: so Keem Jeffries, our leader, is going to have the

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Speaker 2: You have every branch.

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Speaker 3: You know, you got the House, you got the Senate

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Speaker 3: Is Republican appointees. The American people know you're in charge.

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Speaker 3: But if you don't want to fail, we're willing to

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Speaker 3: give you the votes in good faith. But you can't,

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Speaker 3: you know, have a Justice Department trying to put Liz

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm bias, Steve, but the action in the first

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Speaker 1: No doubt about that. And do you do you feel

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Speaker 2: Caucus is very united.

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Speaker 3: For example, today we had AOC running against Connolly.

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Speaker 3: She lost Connolly one. You know, AC went over and

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Speaker 3: the stakes of holding Trump accountable. So are there differences, sure,

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Speaker 3: but it's as unified a caucus as I have seen

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Speaker 2: And that's because people get the stakes.

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Speaker 1: If you had to take her aside afterwards, what would

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Speaker 1: Well, if you want to win one of these elections

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I think we should elevate her,

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Speaker 2: She got eighty four votes.

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Speaker 3: But I would say, uh, spend time with some of

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Speaker 2: Uh, and uh, you know she did a lot of that.

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Speaker 3: So I don't want to be seeming lam giving her

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Speaker 2: She's only been in Congress six years.

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Speaker 3: But I think if she continues on that trajectory, she

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Speaker 3: of the Oversight Committee, which is a big deal. Like

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Speaker 1: You are one of the people that's going to be

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Speaker 1: How do you observe them? Donald Trump has one It's

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Speaker 1: not a landslide, but it is a sweep. It's a

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Speaker 4: A significant repudiation of the Democratic Party's case on a

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Speaker 1: All of these things that we Democrats stand in favor

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Speaker 1: it was just rejected wholesale by the country, I think

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Speaker 3: That's a big question, Stevid. I'd be curious on your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you where I think people are at. You know,

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Speaker 3: invest in wind, in geotherbal and we will make sure

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Speaker 3: then nothing compromises our ability to be the best manufacturer,

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Speaker 3: to have good, high paying jobs as we invest in

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Speaker 3: this new energy source.

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Speaker 2: So it is additive, it is not subtractive. And by the.

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Speaker 3: Way, when you look at other countries, they're doing it,

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Speaker 3: and I don't want them to have the advantage over

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Speaker 3: us when it comes to this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we have to work on some of.

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Speaker 3: The details, but that would be my message, and I

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Speaker 3: think Americans understand and will embrace innovation. But they should

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Speaker 3: know that, uh, it's not that their jobs are going

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Speaker 3: to be going away. This is about anning new sources

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Speaker 3: of energy.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times there's a discussion that takes place

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Speaker 1: about what would John McCain think about right this particular moment,

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Speaker 1: And you know, people speculate about it, and I'm occasionally

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Speaker 1: asked about it, and you know, I generally don't entertain

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Speaker 1: it because it's a fantasy.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's when you're gone, you're not you're not coming back.

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Speaker 1: But but I have I have, I have entertained it

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Speaker 1: recently about two events that if I could talk to

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Speaker 1: John McCain, right, I would tell them two things, right,

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Speaker 1: if I have five minutes with them. The first would

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Speaker 1: be you're completely right about the Russians. They've evaded Ukraine

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Speaker 1: and they're advancing on on World War three. But the

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Speaker 1: other thing I would talk to them about is campaign

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Speaker 1: finance reform. And and I would say, well, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is just one one one and second non consecutive term

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Speaker 1: against against Joe Biden, who went for his second term,

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Speaker 1: and along the way, the richest man in the world

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Speaker 1: spent spent two hundred plus million dollars of his own

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Speaker 1: money and American dollars two hundred million dollars. And to

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Speaker 1: put this, two hundred and seventy seven million dollars to

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Speaker 1: be exact, And the entire budget of the McCain campaign

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, to have an appreciation for

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Speaker 1: political inflation, was about seven hundred million dollars. Right, so

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Speaker 1: Elon spent two hundred and seventy seven million dollars and

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Speaker 1: in an hour before the polls closed, his network was

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Speaker 1: somewhere around give or take a few billion, let's call it,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty billion dollars since Trump has won, right,

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Speaker 1: it was as of last week scored at four hundred billion,

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Speaker 1: pushing upwards now to five hundred billion, nearly doubling with

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Speaker 1: thirty four days before Trump takes office. And so, how

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Speaker 1: are you going to talk about that? How are you

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Speaker 1: going to reach out to an American in these places,

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Speaker 1: normal people and explain to them on an issue that's

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Speaker 1: never had much currency. And all of us have lived

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Speaker 1: outside of the Tammany era, right or the eighteen nineties

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Speaker 1: before the creation right, the of the civil service, you know,

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Speaker 1: in eras of rampant unrestrained corruption, How would you explain

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Speaker 1: this to people in a way that they can comprehend it,

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Speaker 1: access it and appreciate that democracies really on very thin

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Speaker 1: ice when you're living in that in that country, when

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Speaker 1: the billionaires are lined up around the block, that's not

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Speaker 1: the free enterprise system. That's something else. When the richest,

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Speaker 1: most powerful people in the country think that they have

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Speaker 1: in order to continue to operate, go down to Mora

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Speaker 1: Lago and kiss the ring. So how do you think

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Speaker 1: about that? How would you explain it? What is the

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Speaker 1: deeper meaning of it?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: John McCain was in my lifetime.

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Speaker 3: Probably the strongest voice against corruption in government and big

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Speaker 3: money in government, and a lot of his integrity, of course,

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Speaker 3: came from that. I mean people, I appreciated the extrordiny

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Speaker 3: sacrifice he made is a prisoner of war for America,

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Speaker 3: But in terms of young people and modern America, they

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Speaker 3: saw the integrity he showed in fighting a system that

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Speaker 3: they knew was corrupt and then now has gotten much worse.

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Speaker 3: And the first thing I guess I'd say to folks

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Speaker 3: is we didn't fight a revolution in this country to

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Speaker 3: have billionaires spend millions of dollars on our television screens

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Speaker 3: and our phones in deciding elections. There's something fundamentally insulting

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Speaker 3: about that to ordinary Americans in terms of the pride

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Speaker 3: with which we cast a vote, the pride with which

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Speaker 3: we go to a town hall, the pride with which

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Speaker 3: we discuss politics.

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Speaker 2: In this country, that's a great thing.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to be a professor at armor to

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Speaker 3: have an opinion about politics.

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Speaker 2: Whether you are a secretary, whether you're.

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Speaker 3: A truck driver, your opinion matters as much, probably more

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Speaker 3: than if you were some fancy professor.

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Speaker 2: That's the essence of America.

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Speaker 3: And that's what's being questioned when you have billionaires.

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Speaker 2: By the way, on both sides, we're pouring in this.

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Speaker 3: Money to try to say that they get to decide

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Speaker 3: these elections. And you know, you can admire someone like

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Speaker 3: Elon Musk for putting rockets up in space and still

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Speaker 3: have the view that he shouldn't have a bigger voice

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Speaker 3: than you when it comes to our democracy. He maybe

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Speaker 3: has a bigger voice in how to put a rocket

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Speaker 3: up in space, but he shouldn't have a bigger voice

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Speaker 3: than any other American in electing our congress people are senators.

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Speaker 2: Or a president. That's why we fought a revolution. That's

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Speaker 2: the core idea of America.

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Speaker 3: Agree with that, then let's do what Maine did as

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Speaker 3: a start seventy percent past it Republicans, Independents and Democrats,

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Speaker 3: and they said, you know what, Moskrigates, you can contribute

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Speaker 3: to these super PACs, but you can't contribute more than

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Speaker 3: thirty three hundred dollars, just like you can't get more

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Speaker 3: to a candidate. And let's get the big millions of

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Speaker 3: dollars out of our politics. One of the things I

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Speaker 3: hope the next DNC chair will do is take the

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Speaker 3: initiative and run that main ballot in fifty states. That's

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Speaker 3: our fifty state strategy. We're gonna get super pac millionaires

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Speaker 3: out of the super pac business.

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Speaker 2: And that I think.

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Speaker 3: Would be worthy of sort of what John McCain was

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Speaker 3: doing in two thousand and two thousand and eight and

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Speaker 3: McCain fine Gold, because of course McCain fine Gold was

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Speaker 3: addressing exactly this, exactly this independent expenditures.

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Speaker 1: And I was thinking about my Canadian wife. She was flabbergasted.

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Speaker 1: I was at the Florida Bama Bar, which is on

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Speaker 1: the Florida Alabama state line two July fourth ago. And

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Speaker 1: I got recognized by by a couple people there, and

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Speaker 1: she was really surprised, like, you know that this isn't

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Speaker 1: your this isn't your MSNBC crowd right resistance crowd.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: We're in We're in deep south Alabama here, And I

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Speaker 1: said to her, is, we're in the United States, right,

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Speaker 1: Alabama still voted right, you know, forty three percent whatever

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Speaker 1: the number is, I don't know it off the top

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Speaker 1: of my head, but Kamala Harris got forty two, forty three,

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Speaker 1: forty four percent of the vote in the you know,

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Speaker 1: in this state. Likely. So what do you say when

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Speaker 1: you're when you're in the political meetings right with colleagues

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Speaker 1: about states that listen, we got to start competing, right,

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Speaker 1: We got to start trying right in states that are

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Speaker 1: right at states. I mean, we may lose three or

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Speaker 1: four elections. I think Texas is a great model of this, right.

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Speaker 1: Betow Rourke, I think moved the ball. I think Colin

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Speaker 1: Allred was a great was a great candidate, you know.

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Speaker 1: But but you have to keep building, and you have

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Speaker 1: to build an infrastructure in every state if you're going

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Speaker 1: to be a national party or you're to be a

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Speaker 1: coastal party, and when the center caves in on that

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Speaker 1: coastal party, I think it leaves you where you're sitting

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Speaker 1: right now, which is, you know, for the country in

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Speaker 1: a really in a really really bad spot with Republicans,

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Speaker 1: you know, controlling all the levers of power, and in

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Speaker 1: a moment in time where I think he intends to

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Speaker 1: abuse that power, you know, with with abandon over the

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Speaker 1: over the next months, in a way that's in to

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Speaker 1: shock some people.

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Speaker 3: Well, OK, you're absolutely right, and I hope that this

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Speaker 3: is a time for that kind of serious thinking and

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Speaker 3: reform of our party because I do believe, unfortunately Trump

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Speaker 3: is going to abuse that power, and I think that

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Speaker 3: is going to give us a chance to come back

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Speaker 3: in twenty six and twenty eight, but that's not.

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Speaker 2: Going to be a durable majority.

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Speaker 3: If we don't do what you're talking about, we could

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Speaker 3: win by default. But you know, as Churchill said, you

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Speaker 3: want to deserve victory, and to deserve victory, we want

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Speaker 3: to be competing in all of these plays. It is

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Speaker 3: on our vision or how we're going to create high

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Speaker 3: paying jobs, how we're going to bring new industry, why

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Speaker 3: we understand the monocommuny. Let me give you a concrete

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Speaker 3: example of something we could say. You talked about the

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Speaker 3: opioid crisis. You know, this is a media example of

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Speaker 3: not covering Silicon Valley properly. Every time they cover Silicon Valley.

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Speaker 3: It's a Bitcoin and AI. You know what one of

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Speaker 3: the most interesting companies.

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Speaker 2: Right outside my district is.

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Speaker 3: It's a neurotech company where they have a helmet that

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Speaker 3: if people put on this helmet, they can help them

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Speaker 3: in an overcome addiction. And it's in the preliminary stages,

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Speaker 3: but eleven out of twelve people who had were addicted

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Speaker 3: to opioids, after they use this helmet, we're able to

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Speaker 3: overcome that addiction. Imagine if the Democratic Party says, look,

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Speaker 3: we're going to make investments in the fundamental kind of

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Speaker 3: biotechnology that is actually going to help solve the opioid

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Speaker 3: crisis in this country. We're going to make the investments

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Speaker 3: with business leaders in actually putting new industry in jobs

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Speaker 3: in your communities, because you can't just do that with

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Speaker 3: deregulation and tax cuts. You want to know what Intel

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Speaker 3: CEO who just was pushed out, he said, I had

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Speaker 3: breakfast with him. He said, you know you can't you

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Speaker 3: can't compete with Wall Street's quarterly.

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Speaker 2: Earnings, and so what's going to happen now if you

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Speaker 2: just have.

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Speaker 3: Tax cuts, if you just have streamlining, doge, you think

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Speaker 3: Intel is going to be able to manufacture in America

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Speaker 3: now that you need to give tax credits for American

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Speaker 3: chips to be bought. You need some tariffs on the

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Speaker 3: Taiwan chips, but you also need federal financing for those factories.

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Speaker 3: And the Democrats have the comprehensive vision of how do

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Speaker 3: we have an economic strategy for high paying jobs, how

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Speaker 3: do we have new technology that benefits communities, and we

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Speaker 3: need to be confident to take that across the country.

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Speaker 2: Andy Basheer's governor of Kentucky. You can win in those states.

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Speaker 3: We should certainly go into Ohi Ashtabulah County that was

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Speaker 3: de industrialized, places like Dayton, places like where we have

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Speaker 3: the chip sacked in Columbus and offer our vision and

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Speaker 3: I think we can be competitive and eventually win.

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Speaker 1: It was having a discussion that came out of the

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Speaker 1: murder of the United Healthcare CEO, and it was about

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Speaker 1: health insurance. It's brokenness in the country. And one of

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Speaker 1: the things that I said in this conversation was that

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Speaker 1: we're very close in a moment, really in time, a

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Speaker 1: convergence of science and all of this where you're going

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Speaker 1: to have a blood draw at birth and a genetic

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Speaker 1: profile that will determine what you will be coverable for.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me unless there are some of rights

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Speaker 1: established around these areas that are private, unusable in law,

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Speaker 1: and everybody is affected by that. In that populist streak

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Speaker 1: of looking at an issue that affects everybody, an abuse

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Speaker 1: that will be used by a few to make money

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Speaker 1: from the many. Right that that for sure is coming.

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Speaker 1: And how do you protect right the the individual citizen right?

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Speaker 1: How do you declare through deed not just word that

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Speaker 1: hey right, in essence, we are on your side, right,

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Speaker 1: and here's our agenda that proves it. Any conversations in

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Speaker 1: that in that vein.

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Speaker 2: Happening on the.

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Speaker 1: On the Democratic side, yet on the on the House

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Speaker 1: side amongst you know what I would I would call

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Speaker 1: some of the more reform minded members like yourself.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there is a sense in this country that

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Speaker 3: we're producing more wealth than we ever have before. We've

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Speaker 3: gone from fifty third in the world an income inequality

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Speaker 3: to one hundred and twenty eight and people don't get it.

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Speaker 3: They don't understand how you can be producing AI and

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Speaker 3: you can be producing biotechnology and neurotechnology and you can't

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Speaker 3: get people healthcare.

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Speaker 2: It's a policy failure, it is a moral failure.

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Speaker 3: And I of course have said, look the most efficient

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Speaker 3: and best ways.

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Speaker 2: Medicare for all.

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Speaker 3: But before we get there, you can do some basic things.

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Speaker 2: You can say that AI should not be.

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Speaker 3: Making decisions in terms of whether to deny you care

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Speaker 3: or not over a doctor, that these insurance companies shouldn't

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Speaker 3: be having the type of data that you're as saying

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Speaker 3: and then put it into some system and den I

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Speaker 3: care based on that.

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Speaker 2: You can say that you should have a right to

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Speaker 2: your data.

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Speaker 3: So that you have to consent before an insurance company can.

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Speaker 2: Use that data.

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Speaker 3: You can say that if a doctor prescribes something in

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Speaker 3: Medicare would cover it, your private insurance should cover it.

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Speaker 2: There are simple things that we can do, and I

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Speaker 2: think that there.

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Speaker 6: Is such anger at the system because people have had

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Speaker 6: personal experiences of having care denied, they've had huge out

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Speaker 6: of pocket costs, and they look at the system and

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Speaker 6: they say, why in this country can we not have

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Speaker 6: basic healthcare when we're producing so much wealth.

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Speaker 1: Last question that that I have you have for you?

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Speaker 1: I know you've got to go do some congressional business.

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Speaker 1: Say they're calling votes soon, righting, they're calling votes, so

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Speaker 1: we need you to vote. The situation, the moment that

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Speaker 1: Trump becomes president is it's as predictable as the sun

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Speaker 1: rising in the east tomorrow. He's going to turn on

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Speaker 1: a fire hips and he's inn a part in, for example,

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Speaker 1: all but the most violent January sixth defendants, and he'll

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Speaker 1: announce one hundred other things that all of them on

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Speaker 1: their own will be enough right to to get you

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Speaker 1: right to start clutching your chest. So how do you

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Speaker 1: think about it? Right? The stoicism, right, the fortitude inside right,

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Speaker 1: there's with you any time you have you know, one

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Speaker 1: hundred some odd people the Democratic you know conference, everyone's

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Speaker 1: a unique, special, one of a kind person. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a same in kinder garden college, the fraternity sorority,

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Speaker 1: the team right in the in the Democratic conference. How

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Speaker 1: do you restrain and focus response? And and what are

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Speaker 1: you most worried about that he's going to do out

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Speaker 1: of the gate. For me, it's the deployment of the

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Speaker 1: military into the country. For for any reason. And I

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Speaker 1: just I just had this conversation with Paul Reikoff, you know,

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Speaker 1: the veteran activities, and and I said, I just like

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Speaker 1: I mentioned to you, I said, I just drove across

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Speaker 1: the country, and I noticeably on this trip, I did

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Speaker 1: not see a lot of cops, like maybe maybe of

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Speaker 1: the of the six or seven times I've driven across

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Speaker 1: the country, fewest cops on the road of all of

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Speaker 1: those trips. But but I didn't see any military on

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Speaker 1: the on the road. And I said, you know, I

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Speaker 1: got to drive back in six months when I drive back,

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Speaker 1: Am I going to be able to see I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Am I going to be able to sit and see

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Speaker 1: a lot of military vehicles on the road? And he said,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Do you think I'm going to

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Speaker 1: see a lot of military vehicles out on America's interstates?

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Speaker 1: The military substantially deployed, state national guards, federalized sent into

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Speaker 1: the interior of the country to do law enforcement of

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Speaker 1: any type with regard to the great deportation or otherwise.

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Speaker 3: As you know, it's fundamentally illegal to use the military

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Speaker 3: for that purpose. That is probably not going to stop

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. I mean, he can use what Tom Cotton

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Speaker 3: floated as the Insurrection Act, and he can try to

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Speaker 3: use emergency powers.

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Speaker 2: But I think that will be a gross overach.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, do I think Americans want those who

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Speaker 3: crossed the border and are committing crimes in the United States,

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Speaker 3: or killing people, or committing sexual assault or committing drug

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Speaker 3: offenses to be kicked out? Absolutely they do. And absolutely

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Speaker 3: people who have committed violent crimes felonies have no place

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Speaker 3: in the United States. But do I think that they

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Speaker 3: want the military going in to McDonald's, to Walmart, to

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Speaker 3: Costco and asking people for their papers and asking people

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Speaker 3: for their papers, regardless if they're an American citizen. No,

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Speaker 3: they do not want that. And that's why I think

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Speaker 3: the polling on this question is not informative because when

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Speaker 3: people think deportation, some of them are saying, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: don't want the criminals here, and the country hasn't done

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Speaker 3: enough to make sure criminals are in the United States.

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Speaker 3: But they're not thinking the military showing up at people's

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Speaker 3: places of employment and asking for papers. That's fundamentally an

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Speaker 3: American right.

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Speaker 1: I like you, I have one more I have one

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Speaker 1: more follow up question, and obviously with you, but but

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Speaker 1: but but here's but but here's the here's the question

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Speaker 1: on that. Is there a neeting that takes place. I've

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Speaker 1: never been in Congress, like, I have no idea, but

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Speaker 1: I like you, I was in Congress.

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Speaker 2: In the pick up pick a vulnerable Republican, and.

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Speaker 1: I like to I like to think that I would.

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Speaker 1: I would be in the room and I and I

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Speaker 1: would say, I would raise my hand right to my

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Speaker 1: to my to my elders up there, and I would say,

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Speaker 1: how do we assess whether Trump is going to invoke

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Speaker 1: the Insurrection Act of seventeen ninety two or eight every

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Speaker 1: year is deploy the military? How how do we cut

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Speaker 1: off funding for it as as expeditioniously as as possible?

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Speaker 1: How do how do we oppose it? How do we

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Speaker 1: oppose it legally? But most importantly, how do we oppose

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Speaker 1: it politically? And right? Do we think he's going to

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Speaker 1: do it? And I do right? And B I agree

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Speaker 1: with you completely Right, it's a bridge too far, and

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Speaker 1: it's a dramatic, holy shit overreach in this country.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: That's a few years off of one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: social protest movements. Right, and it's in its history, which

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Speaker 1: was fundamentally about over policing right pendulum went when went wackadoodle.

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Speaker 1: But putting that aside, I don't think there's any appetite

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Speaker 1: for that. But is there a conversation that takes place

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Speaker 1: on the serious people side of the Democratic Conference when

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Speaker 1: you are like, we assess the probability that this may happen,

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Speaker 1: we have a plan for we're dealing with it. If

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Speaker 1: it's doing it, and if he does it, and he

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Speaker 1: said that he's going to right that we appreciate it

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Speaker 1: as the moment of first massive overreach. That is the

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Speaker 1: new fighting line. We have to fight it out on

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Speaker 1: that ground. Have people talked about that, not directly, openly

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Speaker 1: and clearly, like an open and honest debate in the conference.

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Speaker 2: Not as clearly as Leo, which is why we could.

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Speaker 3: I'm encouraging on this podcast to draft Steve Schmidt candidacy

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Speaker 3: for Congress for twenty twenty six, but.

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Speaker 1: I think it would be a great thing to do

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years. But I can't. There's one

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Speaker 1: thing I could not handle about it, and it's what

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Speaker 1: you said at the beginning. It's that I would psychologically

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Speaker 1: I could not handle being taken prisoner right at two

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Speaker 1: in the morning three in the morning by like Lauren

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Speaker 1: Bober and her friend not knowing where I'm going when

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Speaker 1: I can leave, right if I'm going to be able

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Speaker 1: to get on the flight. And there's no purpose to it,

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Speaker 1: right other than nonsense. Right that That that of stuff

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Speaker 1: totally so your service, And I think people appreciate that enough.

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Speaker 1: Is that it requires you to hang in there and

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Speaker 1: constantly be jerked around by some of the what I

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Speaker 1: regard really despicable people for no good reason whatsoever other

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Speaker 1: than like the politics of smallness and harassment. And it

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Speaker 1: would be really hard like to sit there and to

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Speaker 1: take it and do it. So it's a tough it's

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Speaker 1: a tough, tough job in that. In that regard, I

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Speaker 1: admire anybody anybody who does it. But I hope you're

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Speaker 1: having those conversation.

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Speaker 2: I think you'd be grinded.

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Speaker 3: But look we are having some of the conversations i'd

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Speaker 3: be rasking and I but I think what you're urging

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Speaker 3: us to do. And I'm actually going to take this

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Speaker 3: back to uh Bot Jamie, who has the ranking member

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Speaker 3: on Judiciary, is going to be a point in coming

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Speaker 3: up with this, and as a constitutional law professor, so

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Speaker 3: really has expertise and hakeem and say, you know, we've

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Speaker 3: got to map this out in uh here or the

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Speaker 3: three or four things where we're gonna really come together

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Speaker 3: and have a concerted strategy and have a clear sense

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Speaker 3: that this is cross the line, because like you said,

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Speaker 3: he's going to come with a fires He's going to

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Speaker 3: do one hundred crazy things, and we have one hundred

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Speaker 3: different members of Congress on MSNBC and your podcast and

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Speaker 3: CNN and online tea him at all one hundred different things.

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Speaker 3: The American people are just going to say out there

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Speaker 3: they go again. They've got Trump arrangement syndrome. They're just

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Speaker 3: saying anything everything Trump does is wrong. Instead, if we

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Speaker 3: say very clearly no, these are the two or three

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Speaker 3: places that it's not just that he's violating the Constitution.

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Speaker 3: That's a very academic way of saying it. It's that

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Speaker 3: he's violating everything you know and believe and are proud

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Speaker 3: of of being an America. He's violating that fundamental sense

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Speaker 3: that of your freedom, of your independence.

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Speaker 2: And I.

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Speaker 3: Look, I have a lot of faith in this country,

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Speaker 3: have a lot of faith. You know, it's a country

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Speaker 3: that can elect James Buchanan and Abraham Lincoln, but over

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Speaker 3: the long.

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Speaker 2: Then four years of one another, but then four years.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not saying that they get every decision right,

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Speaker 3: but I do think over the long run, and I

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Speaker 3: don't need by the long run twenty years. I think

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Speaker 3: it's probably these days it's two to four years. I

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Speaker 3: think the American people correct, and they of course. Ajust

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Speaker 3: and I rather have the wisdom of the American people

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Speaker 3: than any smart pointy head making decisions. And that's why

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Speaker 3: I think there's an opportunity for us that if we

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Speaker 3: stick to a few core places to push back where

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Speaker 3: he overreaches, and if we come back with humility and say, look.

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Speaker 2: We get it.

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Speaker 3: We get that they were forgotten Americans and forgotten places.

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Speaker 3: And you know what, we probably didn't didn't do enough,

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Speaker 3: and we were here humbly to listen to learn, and

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Speaker 3: here's what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 2: American people are going to give us a chance. I

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Speaker 2: really do.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, I don't buy this non sense

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Speaker 3: and said, oh we can't have a woman, we can't

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Speaker 3: have a woman of color. Now, this is a this

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Speaker 3: is at once they elected Barack Hussein Obama, that said

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Speaker 3: to me that this is a country where anyone, if

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Speaker 3: you put in the time and you earn the respect,

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Speaker 3: can win.

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Speaker 2: It's a great country.

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Speaker 3: It's still the greatest country, and it's it's still the

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Speaker 3: most cohesive multi racial democracy in.

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Speaker 2: The history of the world.

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Speaker 3: Is land with this point, Steve, if you had told

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Speaker 3: me growing up in Bucks County in the nineteen eighties

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Speaker 3: that we would have an African American Indian American woman

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Speaker 3: would be running for president, who would have the one

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Speaker 3: point five percent of winning my birth state of Pennsylvania

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Speaker 3: and the presidency, I would have said, you're crazy. This

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Speaker 3: country's making progress. Is we're trying to do something no

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Speaker 3: nation in the history has ever done, to be a

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Speaker 3: who've been here, and it's an awesome thing, and we're

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Speaker 1: Well, one who grew up in New Jersey talking to

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Speaker 1: someone who grew up in Bucks County, You guys were

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Speaker 1: like the guys in the woods, like the Yellowstone characters

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Speaker 2: The southern arnt of New Jersey and an Eagles.

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Speaker 1: Fan or a northern part of the I was a

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Speaker 1: Jets fan. I was a Jets and Yankees, but I

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Speaker 1: was on the northern side of it. But listen to

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Speaker 1: everybody out in the audience that one of the great

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Speaker 1: things about America is the resiliency of the country. And

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Speaker 1: it is resilient because almost providentially, it produces leaders at

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Speaker 1: the right time, at the right place. Dwight Eisenhower's a

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Speaker 1: perfect example. He was a lieutenant colonel in the army.

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Speaker 1: You hadn't been promoted in thirteen years until he was

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Speaker 1: in nineteen forty. In the rest is history. So Rocana

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Speaker 1: is a name that if you're watching this, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: hear more of His national profile is going to be

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Speaker 1: building over the next couple of years because you're the

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Speaker 1: person of conviction, person of guts, person of integrity. And

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Speaker 1: when you buying those qualities of time national crisis, the

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Speaker 1: result is the forging of new leaders with new ideas.

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Speaker 1: And with new leaders and new ideas comes new possibilities.

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Speaker 1: And what follows eras of crisis in America as we

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Speaker 1: get ready to celebrate this country's two hundred and fiftieth year,

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Speaker 1: is the possibility for reform and renewal and the politics

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Speaker 1: that comes next is the politics of next and Rocana

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Speaker 1: is going to be a big part of that. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: so follow him. Pay attention. This is the warning. It's

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Speaker 1: great to be with you and Rocanna. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 1: Congressman for your time today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm honored by that. Certainly, I've never had

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Speaker 3: In the same sentence as Eisenhower, and I'll concede Eisenhower

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Speaker 3: as one of the great great Americans. But I appreciate

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Speaker 3: your point about renewal and reform. That's actually really well

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Speaker 3: put and a chance for new leadership. And see if

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Speaker 3: you are very much part of that, whether you're going

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Speaker 3: to be in Congress or not. And maybe I'll end

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Speaker 3: with that point that this is not a time to

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Speaker 3: just leave it to the House democrats. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: is a moment where it's going to take all of

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Speaker 3: us to have that renewal. And the great thing about

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Speaker 3: this era is sometimes your podcast is often more reached

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Speaker 3: than a House floor speech. So let's all work together

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Speaker 3: to have that reform and renewal.

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Speaker 1: Great way to leave it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the warning, and I invite

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