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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, Paul Kalbisi joins me,

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Speaker 1: we promise a fast start, unlike what the team has

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Speaker 1: shown these past three games. And yet even with all

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Speaker 1: the offensive struggles, they did have a chance, several chances

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Speaker 1: to win the game on Sunday instead at Genera the

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Speaker 1: loss to the Rams. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode five

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Speaker 1: ninety five, and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Hitting the backfield and down he goes for a loss.

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Speaker 1: JJ Watt Nailed It. Cardinals Cover two is presented by

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's in again,

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Speaker 1: so for Harry Magic. Whoa, here's Craig Grielu. Let's begin

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Speaker 1: with a quote Paul, Okay, we're gonna get philosophical here

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Speaker 1: off the top. I mean it feels like my English

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Speaker 1: days back at Berkeley. Let's go not philosophical, just straightforward.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you got to find

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Speaker 1: It's not complicated. Those are the words of starting right

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Speaker 1: tackle Kelvin Beacham postgame after the Cardinals lost the Rams

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Speaker 1: by the score of twenty to twelve. He's actually right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's absolutely correct. It's not complicated yet. The

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Speaker 1: Cardinals here for the first three games have made it

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Speaker 1: complicated time in and time again. I'm sorry. I love

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Speaker 1: Matt Prador. I don't want to see him four times

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Speaker 1: that you score on a Sunday afternoon. Yeah, you don't

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Speaker 1: want to see the trainers, you know, you don't want

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Speaker 1: don't want to see the kicker a whole bunch unless

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Speaker 1: it's after a touchdown. Pats, I'll see your quote and

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Speaker 1: I'll match you a quote. I'll actually I'll raise you

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Speaker 1: this one and from JJ Watt and I quote we're

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Speaker 1: a resilient group, but we don't need to put ourselves

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Speaker 1: in situations where we have to show resiliency all the time.

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Speaker 1: End quote. In other words, it's okay to dominate from

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Speaker 1: the start, it's okay to play from the lead. It's

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Speaker 1: it's okay to do more than just thirteen points in

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Speaker 1: the first half combined of three games. So yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: plenty to address. I think the key question is are

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Speaker 1: truly correctable that you can start with this Carolina game,

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Speaker 1: because there's still fourteen games to go and you're still

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Speaker 1: right in the thicket things. Now, if you're the Raiders

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Speaker 1: history of the game in this league says the odds

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Speaker 1: are not good. The odds are not with you. But

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Speaker 1: at one and two it's still very doable, very still

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Speaker 1: very feasible and plausible. But it's to you at this point,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's what JJ Watt is saying. Well,

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Speaker 1: the bright side and all this, you're tied for second

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals have the distinction of being the only team

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Speaker 1: and that, to me is just inexcusable. You hear about

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Speaker 1: finally the offense got it in gear. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: as long as you started this little reindeer game of

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Speaker 1: But that wasn't the case. That certainly wasn't the case

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Speaker 1: It's that sort of recognition or failure to recognize exactly

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Speaker 1: what's going on this shouldn't be a mystery. It shouldn't

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Speaker 1: zach Ertz. Two of your main free agent acquisitions. Yes

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Speaker 1: they were resignings, but those were the two players the

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Speaker 1: your starting running back. And you're starting tide it all right?

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Speaker 1: So great? You know, I thoroughly respect the depth of

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Speaker 1: covered in depth. Okay, whether it's the football, basketball, hockey

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Speaker 1: you will The hallmark of any good winning team is

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Speaker 1: get the fan frustration. And it's very easy to point

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Speaker 1: to the head coach, very easy to point to the

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Speaker 1: play calling. We've done this long enough, however, Paul, to

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Speaker 1: Players have to execute. Going back to your point, a

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Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, this is not a coaching issue.

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Speaker 1: This is a player execution lack of execution issue. Well,

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Speaker 1: then to Kyler's account, he just threw it a little

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what this Cardinals offense was missing against the Rams,

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Speaker 1: who were all too willing to let the Cardinals mount

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Speaker 1: just not realistic that you're gonna execute that sort of

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Speaker 1: comeback for a second straight week. Cardinals have yet to

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Speaker 1: held a lead in regulation. Wow, in this twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: not fly anymore. You've known since April. I've brought this

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals have known about d hop since April. Privately,

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Speaker 1: probably more earlier than that. You've had Hollywood Brown within

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Speaker 1: The defense, which we can get into, just needs to

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Speaker 1: You know that we were feeling it and it's kind

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Speaker 1: of today felt the same way. I mean it was

428
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Speaker 1: on the same page. Uh, just attacking the defense, taking

429
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Speaker 1: what they giving us? Fourteen graps? Where's that rate for

430
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Speaker 1: you in your NFL career? The number one right now? Yeah, sir?

431
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Speaker 1: What was there anything in particular? Was a strategy, was

432
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Speaker 1: a particular route that uh, you know was successful? That

433
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Speaker 1: was a go to? I mean, they was just calling

434
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Speaker 1: my number, So my job was the mating to play

435
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: and that's that's what I was doing. Last question for

436
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Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown. This offense is still searching for the explosive

437
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Speaker 1: play though, right and man, you you had you had

438
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Speaker 1: your man beat down the middle of the field at

439
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Speaker 1: one point, didn't you. Yeah? Definitely, Uh, Son, Kyler saw

440
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: he checked to it. You know, that's not we want that.

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00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: Definitely interesting that six of the cardinals ten longest plays

442
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Speaker 1: on Sunday involved a Kyler Murray passed to Hollywood Brown. So,

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Speaker 1: if nothing else, Paul, that is an encouraging sign moving

444
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Speaker 1: forward that perhaps they have found that chemistry that we

445
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Speaker 1: were expecting all the way back in Week one. You know,

446
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: Hollywood told the media midweek after the Raiders game, going

447
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: into the Rams game, that he thought in the second

448
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: half in Vegas that they had found a zone quote unquote,

449
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 1: they'd gotten back into the zone together their chemistry and

450
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Speaker 1: being in sank and then you know, so it's interesting

451
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Speaker 1: to hear that it definitely looks like based on the production, yes,

452
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: he probably has better chemistry right now with Marquis Hollywood

453
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Speaker 1: Brown the newcomer than anybody on the roster. I think

454
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Speaker 1: that's hard to debate right now. I mean that's the case.

455
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Speaker 1: But once again, it's that Rams game plan that I

456
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Speaker 1: wonder is going to be the gift that keeps on

457
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Speaker 1: giving that you're going to have to beat going forward,

458
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: because when Nick Scott, the safety says after the game

459
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Speaker 1: about the defensive line, those guys did a great job

460
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Speaker 1: of rushing with intensity and violence but also making it

461
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Speaker 1: tough for Kyler to get out of the pocket. We

462
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Speaker 1: knew if we could keep him in the pocket dot

463
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Speaker 1: dot dot. What did Nick Vigil say upon signing with

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Speaker 1: the arizonaur Cardinals in the offseason. Yeah, when we were

465
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Speaker 1: with the Vikings, our game plan was real simple. One

466
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Speaker 1: keep Kyler in the pocket too, don't let de hop

467
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Speaker 1: beat you. So teams are going to do anything and

468
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Speaker 1: everything they can. You know, what you saw against the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: I think is an anomaly. That's just a failure of

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Speaker 1: the Raiders in a lot of ways. So okay, that's

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Speaker 1: the challenge. Can you beat it? You know what's coming again,

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Speaker 1: you will see it until you beat it. That's the

473
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Speaker 1: way it works in the NFL. And you know that.

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Speaker 1: That's where I'm curious. And you know Carolina has the

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Speaker 1: athleticism on defense they do. They may be all challenged

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Speaker 1: offensive way, even though Christian McCaffrey is back, etc. But hey,

477
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Speaker 1: we've seen when Matt Rule's defense is done against Kyler.

478
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Speaker 1: They're all in two against Matt Rule. One more note

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Speaker 1: on the offense of plays that we're run on Sundays

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Speaker 1: before we talk a little defense here on Cardinals cover

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Speaker 1: two percent to by Hounday, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals lose twenty to twelve. And it is the one

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Speaker 1: thing when you talk about the decision by the head

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Speaker 1: coach that you can and I was doing this in

485
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Speaker 1: real time as well. I've gotten to the point now, Paul,

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Speaker 1: where regardless of down in or the distance, wherever on

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Speaker 1: the field fourth down nine times out of ten. Cliff

488
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: is gonna go for That's just who he has become.

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Speaker 1: If you don't like it, I'm sorry. That's just who

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Speaker 1: he is, so you have to accept it. In fact,

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Speaker 1: this little nugget. Cardinals have the most fourth down attempts

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Speaker 1: of any team this season. They are ten to fourteen,

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Speaker 1: and those fourteen attempts are the most by any team

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Speaker 1: to the first three weeks of the regular season since

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. Wow. So Cliff is gonna go for it,

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Speaker 1: and I have no problem even when it's at your

497
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Speaker 1: own twenty yard line and listening to passion wipefully on

498
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Speaker 1: the broadcast. Yeah, you certainly can debates, and it's an

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Speaker 1: uneasy feeling. The one fourth down decision though, that I

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Speaker 1: did not like. Paul. Fourth and four at the Rams

501
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Speaker 1: twenty six yard line. You're down twenty to nine. You

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Speaker 1: need two scores, meaning you need a field goal, a touchdown,

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Speaker 1: and a two point conversion, And in that instance, fourth

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Speaker 1: and four with eleven thirty five to go in the game,

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Speaker 1: I would have preferred to kick the field goal, put

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Speaker 1: your defense back on the field twenty to twelve, and

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Speaker 1: then try to get a stop, so it would have

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Speaker 1: been a forty four yard field goal attempt. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: And I asked Cliff about it after the game, and

510
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Speaker 1: I said how close? The question was like, Okay, how

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Speaker 1: do I phrase this question exactly that it's a valid question,

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Speaker 1: and two won't give me punch? So I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: how close were you to its emptying the fuel goal

514
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Speaker 1: in that situation? And he didn't specifically answer it. He

515
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Speaker 1: just said definitively that I didn't believe it was a

516
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Speaker 1: fuel goal game, that it was a game of touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: And I think by that what he meant was, sure

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Speaker 1: the score was twenty to nine at the moment, What

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Speaker 1: was a realistic to think you're gonna keep the Rams

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Speaker 1: off the scoreboard the rest of the game. And that's

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Speaker 1: why I took by that. And sure enough, you know

522
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: how close were the Rams again in the end zone again,

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Speaker 1: if not for Buddha maker Baker making a heck of

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Speaker 1: a play on Cam Akers forcing the fumber that Janalen

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Speaker 1: Thompson recovered right at the goal line, Cooper Cup easily

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Speaker 1: could have had another touchdown. That touchdown pass, even in

527
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Speaker 1: double coverage, was right on the money and went through

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Speaker 1: his hands. That's probably the only time you'll see that

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Speaker 1: all season from a Cooper Cups. So, okay, point, well taken,

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Speaker 1: Bike Cliff, But you're right, it's certainly risky. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you're deep in your own territory and it's early

532
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Speaker 1: in the game and you're only down to score or

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Speaker 1: maybe two, and you're just going forward on fourth down. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I consider it radical, you know, just based on the

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Speaker 1: years of conditioning. We've had decades of conditioning of how

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Speaker 1: you play an approach NFL football. This is a new

537
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: way of thinking. And to be ten of fourteen, you know, honestly,

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Speaker 1: the question I wanted to ask him, and maybe I'll

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00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: do it on the TV shows, What are you doing

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00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: well on fourth down that you can take the third down?

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to know, because on four down

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00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: they've been money. It's on third down that's been a

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Speaker 1: real problem. Third down. On Sunday they were six of

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Speaker 1: eighteen with nine of those third and eight or more

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00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: and they didn't convert any of those third and long situations.

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Speaker 1: So that goes back to being better on first and

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Speaker 1: second down to put yourself in a manageable third down situation.

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Speaker 1: Something vanch Joseph discussed late last week when he dissected

549
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: what went wrong against the Chiefs versus one went right

550
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: against the Raiders, allowing the Cardinals to get back in

551
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: the ballgame. And you look at what Joseph's unit did

552
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 1: against Matthew Stafford and Cooper Cup. The numbers are very pedestrian.

553
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford two hundred forty nine pass yards, Cooper Cup

554
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: forty four receiving yards, Tyler Higbee sixty one receiving yards.

555
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: In fact, Cooper Cup. That ended a couple of streaks

556
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Speaker 1: twenty three straight regular season games with at least five catches,

557
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: fifteen straight regular season games with at least ninety receiving yards. Wow,

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00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: those streaks out the window. Now. The Cardinals could not

559
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: stop the run in the second half. Cam Akers on

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00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: that one drive four straight rushing attempts and then he

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Speaker 1: capped it off with a fourteen yard touchdown to make

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Speaker 1: it twenty to nine. But by and large, I liked

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Speaker 1: the adjustments the defense made to allow the Cardinals on

564
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Speaker 1: offense to stay relatively close and another opportunity, several opportunities

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Speaker 1: to get back into the ball game and potentially take

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Speaker 1: the lead. Yeah, at the end of the first quarter

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Speaker 1: of the Rams had eight first downs. The Cardinals had zero.

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Speaker 1: So that's called winning the battle of the scripted place

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Speaker 1: right you come out, and that's one thing that teams do.

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Speaker 1: McVeigh does it, Kingsbury, doesn't you script your first end

571
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: of fifteen plays? And for whatever reason, typically McVeigh is

572
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: very successful against the Arizona Cardinals now, and they're very

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Speaker 1: successful against most teams. But when they come out there

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Speaker 1: and they amass eight first downs in that first quarter,

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Speaker 1: and then anyways, saw it looky. There were times where

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals were not alignment sound and they came back

577
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: and there's Vans, Joseph and all the assistant coaches on

578
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Speaker 1: defense and they're working furiously and they have the tablets

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Speaker 1: and they're pointing things out and they're grabbing the team

580
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: leaders and they're going okay, and everyone's talking to each other,

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Speaker 1: and they dialed it down and then I think, if

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Speaker 1: I have this right, in the second quarter, the Rams

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Speaker 1: had zero first downs. So the question is how do

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Speaker 1: you do that from the get go? And you know,

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00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: and that's still a work in progress. And look when

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Speaker 1: a Zaban Collins and company on that Cooper Cup twenty

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00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: yard touchdown, jet sweep. They're going the wrong way. There's

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Speaker 1: obviously McVeigh does a very good job of messing with

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00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: the defense's eyes. And you know it going in doesn't

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00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: mean you can stop it, even though you know it

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00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: going in and you know angry. You know you look

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00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: at that linebacker corps and when you see a collection

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00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: of Nick Vigil and Ben Neeman in Tanner Vallejo and

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00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is primarily on the sideline along with the

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Speaker 1: Zavian Collins. That's not the way they drew it, Uppe.

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00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: That's not the way it was envision going into this year.

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00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: That's obviously more out of necessity than it is ideally

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00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: how you'd want to have you two of your best

599
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: athletes on defense. But if he can't trust them to

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00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: be in the right place at the right time all

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Speaker 1: the time, then guess what. It's still it's still a

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00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: process and there's still a learning curve for those guys

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Speaker 1: before vance. Joseph is going to play them the majority

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Speaker 1: of the downs. I'm all about playing your first round

605
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: draft picks, but if they are hurting you, if they

606
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: are giving up plays. As much as the office might

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00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: like to see that investment on the football field, Vance Joseph,

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00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: who is determined on how well he coaches and whether

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00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: there is another season based off of wins and losses.

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00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: You can't put those players on the football field, and

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00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: you can't do it with the locker room. That's how

612
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: you lose a locker room when guys are playing who

613
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: haven't earned it. When guys are playing and there's still

614
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: a liability when there's a better guy behind him that

615
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: gives you a better chance to win, that's how you

616
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: lose locker room. That's how you lose the season. So

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Speaker 1: I get it. I get why the decisions are made.

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00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: You know, Drew stan I thought made a really good

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Speaker 1: point in the pregame when it comes to Isaiah Simmons.

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Speaker 1: You know it can't be boom or bust. You have

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Speaker 1: some unbelievable boom plays. But if there's so many plays

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00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: where you're a bust and teams target you and in

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Speaker 1: your liability and you allow the big play, then guess

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00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: what it just that's not the risk reward is too

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00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: great for Advance Joseph. He has to be able to

626
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Speaker 1: count on having guys in the right spot. Otherwise, you

627
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: know that's enough to in a league where one, two

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00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: or three plays will get you beat can be the

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Speaker 1: difference in a game. When Vance Joseph comes out a

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Speaker 1: Week one against Kansas City and said there were fourteen

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00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: or fifteen plays we didn't have dialed in, that's a

632
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: month worth of place that you don't have dialed in.

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Speaker 1: Typically in an NFL season, that's not sustainable, and that's

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Speaker 1: why you see a collection of Vallejo, Vigil and Ben Neeman.

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00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: I agree. You remember when the final fifty three came

636
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: out and we say, why is Ben Neeman on this team?

637
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: Now he's a legit NFL player, but you thought you

638
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: were loaded enough in the inside linebacker room? Why are

639
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: they keeping six? We've found out. I'm very curious now

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Speaker 1: where this goes forward. Because Simmons did play more snaps,

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Speaker 1: one more snap, but a greater percentage of the defensive snaps.

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Speaker 1: So maybe that's encouraging. But when Zaven Collins leaves the

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Speaker 1: game with a shoulder injury, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it's happened again last year here at that shoulder twice

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Speaker 1: because he leans with the shoulder as opposed to grabbing

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Speaker 1: a hold and shedding a block. Now, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: if Collins is unavailable, Are you forced to play Isaiah Simmons.

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Speaker 1: Now you're putting someone out there that you don't all

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Speaker 1: the way trust and regardless of the opponent. Now, if

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Speaker 1: cam Akers isn't gonna run for sixty two yards in

651
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Speaker 1: the second half, Christian McCaffrey's up next, you know to

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Speaker 1: your first point about saving Collins, because it's well taken.

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Speaker 1: And this just in Pauli pencil Neck has never played

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Speaker 1: linebacker beyond high school. Okay, and in fact, I was

655
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Speaker 1: miserable safety in high school. But I'll tell you this much.

656
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Speaker 1: I mean just played high school football where I got

657
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Speaker 1: lit up a lot more than I delivered the hit.

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Speaker 1: There's an old axiom in football where if you're delivering

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Speaker 1: the blow, guess what the other guy is gonna take

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Speaker 1: the brunt of it. It doesn't matter how hillacious or

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Speaker 1: violent the collision is, if you're the one delivering the blow. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you go back to the Green Bay game a

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Speaker 1: year ago where he hurt that shoulder, he was unaware

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Speaker 1: of where the contact was coming from, and he got

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Speaker 1: hit and knocked down, and so once again, the other player,

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Speaker 1: the Packers player, delivered the blow. And now I sometimes

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Speaker 1: have the worst angle from the sideline. And I only

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Speaker 1: saw the TV replay of the cam Akers fourteen yard

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Speaker 1: touchdown run, but that's the one where bens Gronic right

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Speaker 1: number eighteen came in with vengeance and violence as the

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Speaker 1: lead blocker, a sixty three two hundred and twenty something

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Speaker 1: pound receiver, and he delivered the blow to a zam

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Speaker 1: and Collins, who I'm not sure really saw where the

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Speaker 1: hit was coming from. And so yes, when you're hit

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Speaker 1: and you're surprised by the hit instead of bracing for

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Speaker 1: it and or delivering it, that a lot of times

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Speaker 1: can result in injury. Dot dot dot. That's just me speculating,

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Speaker 1: maybe recklessly, but I'm throwing that out there. Well, Collins

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Speaker 1: gets hurt, Richard Lawrence gets hurt. Not sure how serious

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Speaker 1: the hand injury is, although Darren Urban noted on easy

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Speaker 1: Cardinals dot Com that hand was in a cast. I

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00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: saw it, ye, So you can play with that hand

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Speaker 1: wrapped even though it might be in a cast. But

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Speaker 1: you're talking about another defensive lineman a front that initial

685
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: wave of defense who had actually been playing pretty well.

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00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: He had flashed. Now all of a sudden, you've got

687
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Speaker 1: to go with a lucky Foe two hasn't really taken

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Speaker 1: that next step, and maybe a Jonathan Ledbetter gets another opportunity,

689
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: though he's been inactive the past couple of weeks, so

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00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: injuries are taking the toll on the defense. But I'll

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Speaker 1: go back to the number twelve. Twelve points allowed by

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Speaker 1: the defunct twenty points allowed by the defense. The Ram

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Speaker 1: score twenty. That's a very capable offense that can get

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Speaker 1: thirty thirty five points on a regular basis. Twenty points

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Speaker 1: should not beat you with an offense led by Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree. And you know what, the Rams are

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Speaker 1: smart enough than when ninety went out of the game,

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Speaker 1: or Chard Lawrence. What they do. They went to the

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Speaker 1: ground game and they really went to his side of

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Speaker 1: the line. They ran off the left side the A

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Speaker 1: and B gap, and they got some chunk runs. Cam

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Speaker 1: Akers was very effective on that drive. So look, going

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Speaker 1: into every game against Sean McVay, the players will tell

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Speaker 1: you one thing that yes, he's gonna try and mess

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Speaker 1: with your eyes, but he's a king in the matchups.

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Speaker 1: He's a king of getting things dialed in. So he's

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Speaker 1: got a receiver on an inside linebacker in the slot.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna find your weak point, he's going to exploit it.

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Speaker 1: That's why you see they can run forty six plays

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Speaker 1: and still feel like, feel like even though it didn't

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Speaker 1: look like on the scoreboard. Twenty points. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: this is sort of a like you said, pedestrian effort.

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Speaker 1: But it felt much more domin than that. Even Buddha

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Speaker 1: Baker said after the game, you know, it was a

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Speaker 1: close game. Most of the game didn't feel like it,

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Speaker 1: Buddha said, but it was on the scoreboard. So once again,

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Speaker 1: it's um you know, the defense, like the offense has

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Speaker 1: started slow. The Kansas City Chiefs came out and had

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Speaker 1: three touchdown drives in their first three possession and that's

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Speaker 1: the first time in umpteen years that had happened in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. There was some sort of historical fact about that.

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Speaker 1: And then we saw the Raiders get out to a

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Speaker 1: twenty to nothing lead and have a lot of success,

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Speaker 1: so much success in the first half. Then maybe they

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Speaker 1: fell asleep in the second half. I don't know. But

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Speaker 1: once again, it's not just the offense that's starting slow.

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Speaker 1: It is the Cardinals defense. Yeah, third straight game the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals defense has allowed at least three straight scoring drives

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Speaker 1: to begin a ballgame and it goes back. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not how you start, it's how you finish. And

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Speaker 1: that's completely inaccurate based off of what we've seen, because

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals last year started well, didn't finish well, and

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Speaker 1: this season it's not good starts and you know, trying

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Speaker 1: to catch up finishing wise. So they need to figure

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Speaker 1: things out and figure it out before DeAndre Hopkins returns.

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Speaker 1: Because if that is the answer, then if I'm d

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Speaker 1: hop I'm raising my hand and as my own agent

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Speaker 1: walking into general manager's office, is that I am underpaid,

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Speaker 1: because Neil, you've got six games this year and a

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Speaker 1: handful of games last year in which when I am

741
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: not on that football field, you've got nothing. And that

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Speaker 1: that that that can't be. It can't be just one

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Speaker 1: player's responsibility, you know. And there I was after the game,

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Speaker 1: and you know, cam Cox over a Channel twelve and

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Speaker 1: he's asking the pesky questions and all these things into

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Speaker 1: a rate your level of concern, and I'm like, what

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Speaker 1: he always wants a grade or a rating or something

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Speaker 1: like that. Grade the draft an hour after the draft

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Speaker 1: is complete, you know, I mean, get off me with

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Speaker 1: all these ratings zeros. My answer, as I avoided the

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00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: exact question. My answer was this, if you're talking about

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Speaker 1: legitimate concerns in terms of the roster, now, look, I

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with the slow starts,

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Speaker 1: and who knows. Nobody seems to have an answer that.

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Speaker 1: But in terms of the roster, I feel good about

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, feel good about the receiver's windy hop

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00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: comes back to your point, but hopefully you know, for

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00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: the cardinal's sake, it's not too late. You feel good

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Speaker 1: about the running backs. I think I love to see

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of Darryl Williams. We'll bet, we'll

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Speaker 1: bet you know, okay, tight ends. You know, Max Williams

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Speaker 1: had an unbelievably glowing comment about Trey McBride in the

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Speaker 1: Big Red Rage where he said that kid is going

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Speaker 1: to be special, and he said it two or three

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Speaker 1: times as little as we've seen Trey McBride, and he's

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Speaker 1: made zero impact on this season. I mean, Max Williams

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Speaker 1: was all in on Trey McBride, and we've seen this

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Speaker 1: happen before, like a DRC for example. If you want

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Speaker 1: to go back, now here's old school but DRC didn't

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Speaker 1: even get any significant real reps until like Thanksgiving under

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Speaker 1: Ken Wizzenhunt. But then the rest of the way he

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Speaker 1: was unbelievable. And so I don't know if that's where

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Speaker 1: this is going for Trey McBride, but you know, anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm sidetracking myself if I'm talking about legitimate concerns. J J.

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Speaker 1: Watt has gotten to the quarterback twice, but those are

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Speaker 1: the cardinals only two sacks. You're getting reinforcements in the

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Speaker 1: secondary of that cornerback position. Trey von Mullen is coming.

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Speaker 1: I thought Jace Whittaker was a liability, and I thought

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Speaker 1: I don't know how he grated out. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: what he gave up in coverage, but I do think

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Speaker 1: that Stafford was smart and going after Jase Whittaker, who

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Speaker 1: played what eighty plus percent of the snaps it was

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Speaker 1: ninety four percent. He was on the field for forty

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Speaker 1: five of the forty eight snaps. But to your point,

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Speaker 1: he was trailing a lot man that was noticeable. Now

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Speaker 1: he gets elevated. This is his final elevation. If you

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00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: want him now to play again, you have to sign

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Speaker 1: him to the active roster. Interesting he'll go back to

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Speaker 1: the practice squad. But if Trayvon Mullen is ready. He

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Speaker 1: did not play a single defensive snap on Sunday. Now,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, maybe it's Murphy, Marco Wilson and

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Speaker 1: Trayvon mullin. I mean, if you're gonna pull up Jay

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Speaker 1: s Whitaker and then maybe he's in your dime package

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Speaker 1: and he plays a handful of snaps, you know, to

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Speaker 1: play ninety four percent of the defensive snaps. That is

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Speaker 1: that you can see how Matthew Stafford and Sean mcvayh

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00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: they targeted him. It's a game of matchups. Once again,

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Speaker 1: the Rams are able to do to the Cardinal secondary,

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Speaker 1: where the Cardinals are not able to do against those

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Speaker 1: backup corners for the Rams. So okay, if Trayvon mullen

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00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: is going to be the guy and evolve into that

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Speaker 1: and come back from the tow or foot injury, and

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Speaker 1: then Antonio Hamilton eventually is coming back, I feel okay

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Speaker 1: about the secondary. It's that edge rush, yep, edge rush

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Speaker 1: is the number one we all know in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: It's about the quarterback and getting to the quarterback. Can

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals get to the quarterback from the edge. They

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Speaker 1: haven't shown it yet. There's been some pressure Marcus Golden

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00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: gut close on the JJ watsack for example. But that

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Speaker 1: and then combine with the inside linebacker position, those are

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Speaker 1: my two concerns right now. Otherwise, I truly do believe

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Speaker 1: here after week three that yes, it's within the Cardinal's

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Speaker 1: power to correct this. It is realistic to think they

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Speaker 1: can make the correct corrections and adjustments and maybe go

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Speaker 1: on a run here once again with fourteen games to go.

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Speaker 1: It's all in front of you. So if you're asking

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Speaker 1: me cam about legitimate, you know about your level of concern.

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Speaker 1: I put it more in specific areas than an overall concern,

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Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Big picture for me, it's the

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Speaker 1: offense ahead of the defense. But yeah, and it comes

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Speaker 1: down to just a simple word, execution, the players on

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Speaker 1: the field, not the coaches standing on the sideline. That's

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Speaker 1: just my takeaway here through the first three weeks of

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Speaker 1: the regular season. We'll see what happens this week, and

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Speaker 1: then obviously see what happens on Sunday when the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: go to Carolina. Bit more on that matchup as the

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Speaker 1: week on folds, And on that note, we'll put a

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Speaker 1: lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by

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Speaker 1: Hunday partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks

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