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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco, SAT. And now your hosts Isaiah stand Back, Heck,

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Speaker 1: My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's. It is a

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Speaker 1: Thursday edition of Talking Cowboys here on Dallas Cowboys dot

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Speaker 1: Com and the various streaming platforms. Week thirteen, Episode number

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Speaker 1: three of UH the twenty twenty season. I say thirteen,

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Speaker 1: it's week fourteen? Fourteen? Is it week fourteen? I'm already

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Speaker 1: trying to skip weeks at a certain point of the season.

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Speaker 1: I don't want the season. Did you know? Football season's fun?

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Speaker 1: It's fun things. But yeah, it's Week fourteen, Episode three

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Speaker 1: here of Talking Cowboys. Here from the s WBC Mortgage Studios.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's alongside Isaiah stand Back in studio again. Today

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Speaker 1: we've got Rob Phillips with a gigantic, very nice looking

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Speaker 1: Christmas tree in the background, and then we've got Heck.

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Speaker 1: But Harrison given his best effort. Wow, the milk's gone bad.

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Speaker 1: That's how we got Heck. Just so you know every

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Speaker 1: day you like that, man, I would never do you

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Speaker 1: like that. Heck ah right, you know what I mean. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is not is not meant to be a competition,

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Speaker 1: this tree thing. I no, it's it's just before we

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Speaker 1: for me, it was okay, well, well each of you move,

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Speaker 1: move aside a little bit and just show these things off.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the heck's got his on his desk, and

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Speaker 1: he was the first one to have it. And then

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Speaker 1: Rob was like, oh, I've got one for you. Heck

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Speaker 1: I covered heck, heck, we just completely covered his up.

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Speaker 1: Heck me, you covered yours up. I love it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I mean yes, ornaments and everything on his tree. Bro,

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Speaker 1: I look at my little naked tree back here that

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Speaker 1: he definitely spirit man. Yeah exactly. Oh well that's uh,

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Speaker 1: that's how we're gonna start talking Cowboys today, just by

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Speaker 1: a little comparison between that and Rob. Always fun. But

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys were back out on the practice field yesterday.

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Speaker 1: They will be back out there today following pretty much

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Speaker 1: right when we're done with this show, they'll take the

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Speaker 1: field and get back out here at the Star in Frisco.

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Speaker 1: But there was an injury report yesterday and I just

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Speaker 1: kind of wanted to point this out Yesterday during the show,

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Speaker 1: I mentioned I wouldn't be surprised if Ezekiel Elliott was

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Speaker 1: on that injury report. Well, he ended up being on

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Speaker 1: the injury report with a bit of a calf lingering

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Speaker 1: calf issue. Is that what it was, Robin? Were there

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Speaker 1: any other are injuries that stuck out to you off

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Speaker 1: of yesterday's practice? Yeah, it's a calf for Zeke coming

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Speaker 1: out of the game, and the other three players on

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Speaker 1: the report are related to past injuries. Anthony Brown with

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Speaker 1: ribs limited, what would have been limited how they practiced,

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Speaker 1: Zeke would not or Zeke would have been limited if

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Speaker 1: they had practiced, So the report was an estimation. Cam

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Speaker 1: have either. So that's that's a pretty clean injury report.

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Speaker 1: Although with a short week Nostradamas Kyle, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the Zeke's status is going to be, you know,

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Speaker 1: because you know how much work they are they really

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Speaker 1: going to get in. They'll probably have a normal practice

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Speaker 1: maybe Friday, but it's kind of that Thanksgiving week where

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Speaker 1: they're just gonna try to manage him and see if

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Speaker 1: he can go he is that really a big issue

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Speaker 1: this week if if Zeke's not available. I know recently

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Speaker 1: we've talked about the lack of production and we've talked

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Speaker 1: about uh really just Zeke not being Zeke in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: But how worried does that make you feel against a

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Speaker 1: very winnable Cincinnati team? Uh coming up this weekend of

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Speaker 1: Zeke's not on the field. Now, I want to go

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Speaker 1: to what he said about you being no soredamic when

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Speaker 1: you call that out, I mean it came out of

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Speaker 1: left field really when you said it. So I think

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Speaker 1: now with inside of information. We're gonna let that. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna let that slide. But it does worry, It does

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Speaker 1: but you know, I a little worried about that that injury.

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Speaker 1: this past week. So they're probably just giving him an

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Speaker 1: So with all that being said, I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of fans out there are looking at this as maybe

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Speaker 1: even a premature tank move. I mean sitting your veteran guys.

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Speaker 1: Then you talk about Donovan Wilson, a guy who's been

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Speaker 1: it a strategic move if that is what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it a tank move. The tank term

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Speaker 1: is overutilized, and it isn't And yeah, it's definitely mismisused.

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Speaker 1: There is no such thing as tanking in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: We've already touched on that in previous weeks. But it

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Speaker 1: does make sense if you just pay somebody a bunch

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Speaker 1: it would be a strategic move. It would not be

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Speaker 1: a tank move, right. Yeah. No. Another example of that

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff that fans hate, Well, what which

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't have it both ways. I've been

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Speaker 1: it both ways. No, it definitely, it definitely is a

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Speaker 1: and that whole tanking uh thought process, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's example of team tank right there. He got fired

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, K like, so organically, He's right. They're

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Speaker 1: Kalais Campbell was limping around his little gimpy Okay, but

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Speaker 1: So Cowboys got a show they can stop the run

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Speaker 1: against anybody, no matter how much their opponent has struggled

428
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Speaker 1: with guys. Oh, man, you know Joe Mixon, Joe Mixon,

429
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: he must don't want to get his stats up. What's

430
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Speaker 1: going on with you, Joe Giovanni Bernard. Man, he is,

431
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: like you said, Rob, he's been in the league for

432
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: a while and he's one of those you know, low

433
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: to the ground, shifty bowling ball style running backs that

434
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: he can get in behind those tackles and get some

435
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: gash yards. I mean, he kind of reminds me of

436
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: the running back from UM from the football team. Don't

437
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: want to say the wrong name, M. Gibson, and yeah,

438
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: kind they kind of you know, low to the ground,

439
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,719
Speaker 1: short guys that that can you know, kind of scatty.

440
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: But still Giovanni Bernard man has the best mustache in

441
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Speaker 1: the league. I don't know if you check this guy's

442
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: mustache out, but he's got the whole wide eer thing

443
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: going on right now. I've never seen a brother with

444
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: a wider mustache, but Jiovvanni Bernard got one. But you know, look,

445
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where you could go

446
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: into this game saying that, look, we have everything to

447
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: play for, and this is an offense that you're not

448
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: scared of. And they have had every reason, they have

449
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: every reason to lay down right, but for some reason

450
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: they will show up with this average offensive line UH

451
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: and give us some problems in the running game. And

452
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: they still have some J. P. Run I believe from Oklahoma,

453
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: who is definitely a viable option UH in the running game.

454
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: As well. But let's not forget about the man A J. Green.

455
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: He's still alive, he's still out there and there's still

456
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 1: some ability there. But you know, they're gonna load up

457
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: with their tight ends and they're gonna run it right

458
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Speaker 1: out of us. Man. Both both I said, and I

459
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: both looked up and googled Giovanni Bernard's mustache. And you're right,

460
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: that thing is fantastic. It's impressive. That's a I mean,

461
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: that is a toss. It's like Captain Crunch Hall of Fame.

462
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I'm telling you, it's really it's really fantastic.

463
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Speaker 1: Captain Way to go, Geo. Is that your favorite teial? No,

464
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm a simto Crunch. I love Captain Crunch. I think

465
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: it's so good. Captain MESSI the roof of your mouth.

466
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's fair, that's fair. What do you think

467
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: about this? Good coo? It touched the lips? What do

468
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: you think about this Giovanni Bernard led offense from Cincinnati?

469
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: They struggled, I mean they've struggled. I mean this is

470
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Speaker 1: gonna be a it's gonna be a battle royale this week.

471
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of those games where you

472
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: have two teams that aren't playing very well. I don't

473
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: want to call any team a bad team, but you've

474
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: got two teams that aren't playing very well. And when

475
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: those when when that tends, when that collides, when those

476
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: when we have those two masses colliding, usually one comes

477
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Speaker 1: out looking like a superstar. Right, Usually one comes out

478
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 1: looking like a superstar and the other one comes out

479
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: looking like Pepper Lapu. So we're gonna find out which

480
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: one comes out looking like Pepper lapu U. And I'm hopeful,

481
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that it won't be the Cowboys, because these

482
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: dudes have they have some weapons, but so do we, Right,

483
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: So we're gonna see which team shows up. We're gonna

484
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Speaker 1: see which offers a coordinator, brings the best game plan,

485
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: and let's get ready to rumble. Yeah, well, then I

486
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: think one of the game plans from Cincinnati is to

487
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Speaker 1: do do a couple how about three words here? Run

488
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Speaker 1: the ball, And they've had some success whenever Giovanni Bernard

489
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Speaker 1: runs the football. This is a part of the Big

490
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Speaker 1: Fax article that out later today on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

491
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Speaker 1: But the Bengals throughout Bernard's career are eleven one and

492
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Speaker 1: one when Bernard gets fifteen carries or more so, if

493
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: he's able to get the rock and they feed him

494
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 1: the rock, that is a team that has a lot

495
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: of success. And against the Cowboys, rob that's what they're

496
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Speaker 1: going to do, because why would you do anything else.

497
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: Why would you challenge and Alan, why would you challenge

498
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: to try and get outside or back behind this defense?

499
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: Because you know, even a veteran running back is going

500
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: to have some success against this run defense. Yeah, for sure.

501
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: I mean as long as the game is close, right,

502
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Speaker 1: because I think I want to say he hasn't had

503
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Speaker 1: more than thirty something yards this year in terms of

504
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: rushing in a single game. You know, I'm a stand corrected.

505
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: He had sixty two against Tennessee, but he more than

506
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Speaker 1: fifteen carries and they won that game against Tennessee. Though,

507
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: you're right, he was right at fifteen carries, Blake, But

508
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, against the Dolphin last week, twelve or thirty,

509
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, and they fall behind, and you know they've

510
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: struggled to protect Brandon Allen so and actually he's on

511
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: the injury report for them this week. I think he

512
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: did practice yesterday. But yeah, yeah, they're gonna want to

513
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: try to feed the Rock. Why not. I mean, that's

514
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: the Cowboys biggest weakness by far. I was looking up

515
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Speaker 1: at the Cowboys stats historically. I mentioned historically earlier in

516
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Speaker 1: the show, they are on pace for the worst run

517
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Speaker 1: defense in team history. They're on pace to give up

518
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Speaker 1: two thousand, six hundred eighty five yards that would surpass

519
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Speaker 1: the two thousand Cowboys twenty six hundred thirty six yards

520
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: in two thousand. The other two years were they're the

521
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: top three currently years of worst run defenses historically, two

522
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Speaker 1: thousand when they went five and eleven, one of three

523
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Speaker 1: straight years of five and eleven, nineteen sixty okay, first

524
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Speaker 1: year in team history where they were expansion back, and

525
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: then nineteen eighty nine one in fifteen. That's what we're

526
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Speaker 1: dealing with. That's what we're talking about this year in

527
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: terms of perspective of just how bad it's been. They're

528
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: giving up one hundred and sixty seven yards of game fellas,

529
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: and the next worst team is Houston one fifty. I mean,

530
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: it's not even close right now, but they're giving up

531
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: on the ground and and that's what happens when you

532
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: basically have two three hundred yard games that you allow

533
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: um they've got a short up. They've got a short up,

534
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: and I don't know at this point, can they can?

535
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: Can they consistently short up? They haven't shown that they can.

536
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: I love just hearing heck Mud just giggle in the

537
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: background out of just disgusts like that, like it's a

538
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: it's a picture of Rob, it's just the Rob video.

539
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: And then he was just in the background just giggling

540
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: because he can't believe it. It's like a laugh track

541
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: on on the copy show, a sitcom, because you know

542
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: this this I don't know how Rob does it. He

543
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: still has hope in his voice, you know, And I

544
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: love that about you, Rob Up. You still have that hope.

545
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: You know, you still use words like short up. You know.

546
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: I think that's fantastic. Um, yeah, what do you what

547
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: do you? What do you say? I mean since the

548
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Speaker 1: expansion eighty nine, two thousand, with the three consecutive five

549
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: and eleven, yeah, I mean, those were some historically bad teams,

550
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: and we see it again this year. Um, you know,

551
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: and I know we're talking about Cincinnati, but guys, if

552
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: you watch that, watch the Ravens game and that long

553
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: run from Lamar Jackson when he when he sent his

554
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: guy in motion and realized that we were in man.

555
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: His eyes lit up because he knew that was nothing

556
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: we could do to stop that. And it's gonna if

557
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: we continue to play those kinds of defenses, If we

558
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: continue defensively, guys are just at living. I mean, n

559
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: you can't tell me Tank Lawrence on that play wasn't

560
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: supposed to step down with that tackle. You can't tell

561
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: me that that's the angle that Layton vander Eshi is

562
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: supposed to take. All of those things. I mean, it

563
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: was a disaster. And so I keep saying and asking

564
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: the questions to you guys, like what are we doing?

565
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: And you could put a lot of it on Mike Nolan,

566
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: you could call it scheme, but there's no way that

567
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: he's coaching guys to play like this. There's no way

568
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: that he's coaching guys in the interior of your defense

569
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: to get dug out like that. It's just it's nasty.

570
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: Based off your statement, right, yo, is it as our

571
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: problem as our biggest as our biggest problem the players

572
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: on defense or is it a defensive coordinator. I mean,

573
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: with that being said, you have to say it's a

574
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: combination of both. If you want to give a percentage.

575
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: You want to give a percentage. No, you want to

576
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: me to give a percentage on And I'm gonna have

577
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: to put it on the coach. I'm gonna have to

578
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: say coaching. Yeah, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna say

579
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: fifty five forty five. You know coaches with the fifty five,

580
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: you know it's it's got to be something. But there's

581
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: no way that you coach a scheme like that. I mean,

582
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: this is this is high school. This is high school,

583
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: read option dog, this is this is nothing they run. Hey, Kyle,

584
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna see that plates at night. Yeah, in a

585
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: high school game, it's there's nothing, you know, and there's

586
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: there's nothing scheme wise that is above that what you've

587
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: what you've seen before. They are they're trapping guys. They're

588
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: bringing them in an alley and you know to step

589
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: down with that guy to not create uh an HLV

590
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: lane And that's what we're doing. We got HV lanes

591
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: in our defense man and guys have just run through.

592
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: You said, you see to Cincinnati have a toll tag though,

593
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: that's my question. Yeah, did they get that toll tag

594
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: taken care of us? Uh? With so kind of going

595
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: off of what what Heckman just said though, and kind

596
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: of the challenge that you brought with with coaches or players.

597
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here, But how could you

598
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: say it's coaches whenever the same problems were from last

599
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: year and it was a completely different coaching staff, Because

600
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean that's a legitimate question from a lot of

601
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans is why have we not seen a change?

602
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: Is it because that's just the personnel? Is it the players?

603
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: Even Jones on the fan I believe yesterday said that

604
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't think it's not the players. He thinks the

605
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: players are the right guys. You just haven't executed, Which

606
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't that put it on the coaches. But it's a

607
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: different coaching staff, same result is twenty nineteen, if not worse.

608
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: It's a really good question. I think I have to

609
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: agree with heck and say it's a combination of both.

610
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: It has to be, absolutely has to be. I think

611
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: no matter what team it is, it always has to be.

612
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: But these players. I don't feel as if these players

613
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: have taken enough responsibility, taking it upon themselves to ensure

614
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: that they get things right. Your coaches can call things.

615
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: Your defensive coordinator could call different plays, but you still

616
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: have the power to change it on the field. Vander

617
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: Ish and Jylen Smith. Whenever you have middle linebacker used

618
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: to have the power. Those guys are the quarterbacks on

619
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: that side of the ball. They can check out of

620
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: plays just like you see. I see quarterbacks check out

621
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: of plays all the time. That guy has the power

622
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: to check out of plays. These defensive linemen and these

623
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: linebackers and these secondary guys, they all have choice whether

624
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: or not to get beat or not, whether it'd be

625
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: lined up in the right gap or not, rather the

626
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: right have the right proper the proper technique. Do I

627
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: be inside leverage on this on his receiver or do

628
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: I go outside? Do I go head up? Do I

629
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: put my hands on them? Do I try to shadow them?

630
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: So those are aspects that the coaches can't control, right, Um,

631
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think there's enough enough responsibility

632
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: being taken on either side. And they like, like you said,

633
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: they have to share things up soon, Rob, What do

634
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: you think about that? Oh? No, please, though you don't

635
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: like to show up, don't like the up stop it's

636
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: too late for shoring up. Uh yeah, probably right. You're

637
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: probably right. At this point, it's almost Christmas. We'll get

638
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Speaker 1: the true we got the trees up, the true. Yeah. No,

639
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Speaker 1: I think Um Stevens point is well made in that

640
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: it is a lot of the same players from last year.

641
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: I would say, though, you know, we've touched on this before.

642
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Speaker 1: There were issues last year with gap discipline and gap

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Speaker 1: control and you know, and and kind of freelancing and

644
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Speaker 1: those things, and they gave up some big yardage in

645
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Speaker 1: terms of rushing last year. It's just gotten like historically

646
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: bad this year. So you know, I don't think you

647
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: can put it all on the players. You got to

648
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Speaker 1: figure out why, you know, the new scheme or whatever

649
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: you're asking players to do, why they're not responding to it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that does fall on coaching to a

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Speaker 1: certain extent. It has to sou But you know, you

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Speaker 1: know what one of you guys mentioned, I think heck

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Speaker 1: you mentioned the the early touchdown from Lamar Jackson. Mike

654
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Speaker 1: McCarthy said that was a good look. They were in

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Speaker 1: the right defense there. But I think you also can argue,

656
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Speaker 1: like you said, there have been situations where you know,

657
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Speaker 1: they kind of stubbornly stay in their sub packages when

658
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: they're facing you know, power running team or a two

659
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660
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661
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662
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Speaker 1: just it's never it's never one thing, and they've really

663
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: got to figure this out. If it's not this season,

664
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Speaker 1: then they got to get in the offseason and see

665
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Speaker 1: how can we get better at this because it's you know,

666
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Speaker 1: you're going on a couple of years of this, honestly,

667
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: where when they struggle to stop the run and they're

668
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: in big trouble. Man, there's so many holes to fill

669
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670
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671
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Speaker 1: up Kyle Yeoman's final segment here. And I mentioned the

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Speaker 1: offense and how they're gonna fare against Cincinnati, and we'll

737
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Speaker 1: talk about it more tomorrow. But let's talk about Andy

738
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: Dalton a little bit here because we talked earlier Isaiah

739
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: mentioned how Andy Dalton kind of found a bit of

740
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Speaker 1: a rhythm. He was able to manage the game quite

741
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: well through it to eight different receivers in the ball game,

742
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: all of which had a reception in the first half

743
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: of it. But whenever it comes to finding all four quarters,

744
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've necessarily seen that from both

745
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton and our offensive coordinator Kellen Morcas. Like we

746
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 1: talked about, they kind of went away from the run game.

747
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: But now that you're going up against a team that

748
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Speaker 1: seemingly has an inferior defense and has not had as

749
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Speaker 1: much success on the defensive side of the football, Isaiah,

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00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: do you feel like there's a chance and there's a

751
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: little bit more confidence here for this offense moving into

752
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: the week against Sinci. I think he's going into this

753
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: game trying to have the game of his life. I mean,

754
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: it's against his team, it's against his former team. I mean,

755
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: so if you can imagine somebody leaving a team, leaving

756
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: an organization that you know wanted to replace you, and

757
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: they drafted a number one pick to get you up

758
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: out of there. I'm going out and I'm showing my

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00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: tail off, right And I think we saw a little

760
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: bit of that swag this past week. And I can't

761
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: even imagine his mindset right now going back to Cincinnati.

762
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: He this might be the best any dudding we've ever seen,

763
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: potentially against a bad defense against his old organization that

764
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: he spent his whole career with. So I'm expecting amazing

765
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: things from him. And I think the continuity between him

766
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,959
Speaker 1: and the receivers, I think we saw that this past

767
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: we got to display starting half starting to happen. So

768
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: if our office a line can protect, which I don't

769
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: see any reason why they can't, because Cincinnati's best defensive linement.

770
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: You know, Geno's not doing a dog on thing seemingly,

771
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: I think we'll be all right. Rob, Yeah, for sure.

772
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: That's the first thing. You know, Andy, he's such a

773
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: nice guy and he you know, he's never gonna give

774
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: you an explosive sound bite, and he didn't. But he

775
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: was asked about, you know, after the Ravens game, he

776
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: was asked about going back to Cincinnati, and he said,

777
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: I knew this one was on the schedule, So I mean,

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00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: that's the for Andy, Like that's probably the closest thing

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Speaker 1: you'll ever hear of, Like I had this thing circled,

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Speaker 1: you know, because I'm sure he did. I'm sure he did,

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00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, Like Asaia said, I mean he's he was

782
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: their franchise for almost ten years. You know. They they

783
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: struggled last year, they went in a different direction. He

784
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: got granted his release, and he never imagined he would

785
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: play this much. But here he is with an opportunity

786
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: to at least try to get his new team back

787
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: on some kind of a track here, and I think

788
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: he's building. That was his best performance of the season.

789
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: I really don't really think that. It didn't translate to points.

790
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: Obviously enough points, but he just looks like he's in

791
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: a better rhythm with his wide receivers. And if they

792
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: can give him protection, and like you guys said, I mean,

793
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: if you can, if you can try to establish some

794
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: balance here, I think he's going to have he's got

795
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: a chance to really show out. It's his old tam

796
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, oh no, oh, okay, guys, So you know Andy, Andy,

797
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: what do you like? I just need Andy And he

798
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: drove the bus. Andy drove the bus last year for

799
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati to a number one draft pick. Right, so they

800
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: did so Andy drove the bus bus this year to

801
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 1: this organic take it going on. I mean, you guys,

802
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: this guy's an't talking about the game of his life

803
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: on as though Cincinnati didn't give Andy Dalton the opportunity

804
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: and the platform to be the player that he is

805
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: multiple contracts. I mean, they named the one to name

806
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: the city after the man, and so now he has

807
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder to go back to Cincinnati

808
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: and at the game of his life. Wow, you guys

809
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: are amazing, dude, when you don't know that I'm here

810
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: for Yeah, a revenge on his mind this week before

811
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Speaker 1: he getting put off the field. Man, you know, I

812
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: think it de Bryan situation. I think that would be

813
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: completely I want to get some get back for the

814
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Speaker 1: way that I got out of Dallas, right and the

815
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Speaker 1: way that my my, my, wait a minute, my career,

816
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: how my career is going. But if you're the franchise,

817
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: you're the face of the franchise for ten years, and

818
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: if the writing is on the wall that your career

819
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: and you are not the quarterback that you were. And oh,

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00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: by the way, you lead us to the number one

821
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Speaker 1: pick in the year that when you were not hurt

822
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Speaker 1: or anything like that, you were a bench for Come on, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, I get it. Wet we

824
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Speaker 1: need something to talk about. Revenge is key and he's

825
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: going back to the Cincinnati and he's gonna have the

826
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: game of his life. He question, does any doesn't throw

827
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Speaker 1: for three hundred yards and three touchdowns? This game no different?

828
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Speaker 1: I feel like we have a friend friendly little bet

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Speaker 1: Friendly bets? How about we wage a tree whole if

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Speaker 1: I will buy a tree to put in your back

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Speaker 1: behind you and your back drop. How big of a tree?

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Speaker 1: Are we talking and talking about a tree that day?

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Speaker 1: That will cover up his bows? Quiet comforts? Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: how big of a tree something like that. But listen,

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Speaker 1: if he loses? Because we could put a tree in

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844
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Speaker 1: spirit in the room. What's just rubbing into the fans?

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00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: Can we have the fans right now? Don't you ask

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Speaker 1: the fans what do you think? What do you think

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Speaker 1: the equivalent you know, pay should be for HECMA. So

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Speaker 1: you don't want a tree, is what you're saying. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't need a tree. Okay, I got a tree. No,

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00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: just letting you know. I have one tree at my house.

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00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: Just letting y'all know. Oh, christ tree at my house.

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Speaker 1: He's just got multiple Emmys. That's all it is. It's

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Speaker 1: the Gold and the Emmys confusing. It's like the grizzl

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00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: one tree. Okay. So so here here's the bet. And

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00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: this isn't finalized yet. It will be finalized tomorrow. So

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00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: if Andy Dalton throws for at least three hundred yards

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00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: and three touchdowns, Isaiah will get something from HECMA. The

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00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 1: fans get to decide this. So the fans are gonna

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Speaker 1: say something and we're gonna kind of tweet at us

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Speaker 1: at I am stand back, Rob Phillips three, we got

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Speaker 1: HECKMA underscore, Harrison and Kyle underscore Yeoman's so he does

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00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: look a little bit nervous, So fans tell us what

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00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: what would have to get Isaiah? And then if Isaiah

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Speaker 1: loses the bet and Andy Dalton goes underneath three hundred

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Speaker 1: yards and three touchdown, you've got to buy heckma tree,

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Speaker 1: a big time tree, big old tree, big old tree.

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Speaker 1: You won't even need your goods. That's saying something, saying

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Speaker 1: something that's a tough I can't wait to get my tree.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Rob, what's your take on it? Row?

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Speaker 1: I know you're not a part of this bet, but

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Speaker 1: what's what's your what's your take on this? I think

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00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna play well. I think the stats are lofty, loft,

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00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean he did. He did just throw for two

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00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: eighty five two touchdowns with it with a high cover,

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00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: two safety defense. You're right, although I will say Cincinnati

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00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: has given up twenty nineteen and nineteen in the last

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00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: three games. Now. They've lost them all. They've lost them

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00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: off because they can't score any points offensively. But they've

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00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: done They've been a little stingy, they've been a little centgy.

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Speaker 1: I'm very I'm very interested. I think it's a good

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00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: bet because it's gonna take a good amount from Andy Dalton,

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00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: Like it's gonna have to take a good game from

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00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton for Isaiah to win this bet. But it's

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00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: possible because it's Cincinnati and like, like he said, like

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00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of revenge on the mind, even

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00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: though Heckma doesn't believe that sort of thing, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's definitely. I think this is a good bet. I

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00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: like this. I like this a lot. I think this

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00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: could be a lot of fun. But that's gonna do

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Speaker 1: it here for us on Talking Cowboys, send us what

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00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: HECMA would have to buy Isaiah on Twitter. Please let

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00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: us know and we'll get this bet finalizable. Update you

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Speaker 1: tomorrow on the Great Bet of twenty twenty for Harrison,

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00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: for Rob Phillips for Isaiah stand back and multiple Tree

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Speaker 1: Chris Beam in the backup Kyley Ooman saying so long

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Speaker 1: from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. We'll see you tomorrow on

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