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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I am Dale, Allie. He is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson and Matt. It's Friday, which means we

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Speaker 1: got a game on Sunday. We've got to make our

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Speaker 1: picks today. We've got lots of stuff to get to

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Speaker 1: our DFS lineup. We got to get back on the

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Speaker 1: horse with that. But first I wanted to talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about Thursday night's game, the Chicago Bears versus

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Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders. And let's see see if you agree

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Speaker 1: with me here if I'm reaching a little bit. So

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Speaker 1: in the first first few games of the year, Justin

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Speaker 1: Fields was not good. Oh, miserable, awful, miserable. Wasn't seeing things,

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Speaker 1: wasn't finding Dj Moore, wasn't doing what.

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Speaker 2: Really disjointed, missing open guys, all sorts of the bad stuff.

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Speaker 1: Last two weeks for Justin Fields, He's throwing eight touchdown

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Speaker 1: passes and one interception. He's finding Dj Moore getting you know,

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Speaker 1: it finally looks like, oh the light turned on.

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Speaker 2: Here, and he's not just totally relying on his legs, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's not.

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Speaker 1: Just although he had to be last night after all

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Speaker 1: the running backs got hurt.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, I had a pull back to close out

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Speaker 1: So yeah, but my point being, this is kind of

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Speaker 1: the roller coach you sometimes ride with young quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: I figure that's where you're going, and I don't think

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Speaker 2: you're reaching here, and you're obviously going to equate it

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Speaker 2: to picket, right, Yeah, I mean, without saying I think

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Speaker 2: that's a young team as well. Side note, they just

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Speaker 2: traded Chase Claypool for one one hundred what they paid for,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think he was the reason they were

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Speaker 1: Of football show, which wouldn't be very many, not.

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Speaker 2: Very many, depends how big the bucket is. But and

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Speaker 2: their offensive line is a little healthier now, but they

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Speaker 2: had an injury last night and had the shuffle guys around.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, like what I'm saying is it's still

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Speaker 2: the basically the same group around him. It's the same

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Speaker 2: coaching staff around him. I do think Luke getsy, who

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Speaker 2: I know from my pit day is Steele Valley's finest

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Speaker 1: Charlie, but I thought that was Charlie Batch.

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Speaker 2: It could be there who want there. But I like Luke.

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Speaker 2: He's a good dude. But anyway, I do think the

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Speaker 2: coordinator and quarterback are much more on.

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Speaker 1: The same page.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that that has a lot to

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Speaker 2: huge and that doesn't happen overnight. I mean, walshon Montana

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Speaker 2: wasn't built in the day and you know so, and

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of ability there with Justin Fields, Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't think you and I ever thought this guy

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Speaker 2: can't throw the football at an NFL level. Oh no,

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Speaker 2: you know, like there's some guys that aren't accurate enough

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean Jerry stat On.

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Speaker 1: Richardson, you know, full disclosure. Three years ago, when Justin

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Speaker 1: Fields was coming out, there were times when I looked

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence as a prospect? Yeah? He was my clear too, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and there were times there were times during

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, and so these guys are savable. Now

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Speaker 2: Chicago is going to end up with two first round

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Speaker 2: picks theirs in Carolina, who's to say that they still

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Speaker 2: stick with it him? And you know they were in

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Speaker 2: a fourteen game losing streak before this. Yeah, and Fields,

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Speaker 2: I know, you know, quarterback wins are.

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Speaker 1: They trade away Chase win and they win.

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Speaker 2: However, so I heard this too on the way before

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Speaker 2: the game. The Bears fields has never run a game

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Speaker 2: like it was more than just fourteen game losing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, a lot of Steeler like stats that you're seeing.

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Speaker 2: Is that team out of the woods? Is that coaching

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Speaker 2: staff out of the woods? Is a quarterback out of

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Speaker 2: the woods? No, but you're right, the last two weeks

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Speaker 2: are so much better. And the same thing happened to

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Speaker 2: the season, but it was more legs driven, you know.

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Speaker 2: You know, so these young guys are a roller coaster.

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Speaker 1: I mean they are. And I thought of that because,

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Speaker 2: Are cross Josh Allen. The same thing happened to Herbert.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, I documented that. You know, Brian day

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Speaker 2: Oh, and he did not look like he had NFL actor.

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Speaker 1: Year two was like seventeen points a game. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: And that's now it's time to pick a fifth year option. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've brought this up many times. The rookie quarterbacks in

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Speaker 2: rookie seventeen games. Now, he should be further along than

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Speaker 2: that because the whole offseason and et cetera. He hasn't

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Speaker 2: played well enough. No one's saying he has. But the

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Speaker 2: book's not written.

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Speaker 1: The book is not written, Like even think back Jalen Hurts. Oh,

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Speaker 2: And the whole game plan was Hurts, beat us with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he couldn't and he couldn't do it, and.

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Speaker 2: They had two first round picks, and everyone's like, well,

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Speaker 2: they used the one AJ Brown instead. But same with

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Speaker 2: I know, you're right, You're Hurts is the perfect example.

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Speaker 2: Now he's like the wealthiest quarterback in league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I I just that that just struck me

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Speaker 1: a good game against Denver but they lost and it

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Speaker 2: Their back seven was bad, but he was alloyed. He's

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Speaker 1: By going to DJ Moore, My my my thought on

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Speaker 2: It's funny all those guys we brought up. Hurt's got

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Speaker 2: You know, from what I was told, the Panthers Bears

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Speaker 1: What he does, but cult exactly, you know, like you

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Speaker 1: would have had to have drafted a wide receiver in

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Speaker 2: That works out, And there wasn't a one that went

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Speaker 1: Like on fourth and one on Sunday last Sunday against Houston,

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Speaker 2: Like I don't think Deontay's as good as Tyreek, but

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Speaker 2: I do think I do know when he's on the

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Speaker 1: I mean, he is a clear he's a clear number

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Speaker 2: And he gets the targets, and he gets Henny's good.

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Speaker 2: Now George is getting them pick ends, and there's a

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Speaker 1: There's absolutely you know, now Calvin Austin has to play

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Speaker 2: a young quarterback, is I think more important now than ever.

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Speaker 1: It's a security blanket. I mean, it's it's somebody that

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Speaker 2: Oh even more so, like I'm not sure what to

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Speaker 1: I'm going to you like Pickens. Pickens is a nice prospect,

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Speaker 1: and he and and he does good things, but he's

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Speaker 2: But he hasn't had the contested catch success this year

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Speaker 2: It's a hard thing to maintain. For one thing, even Carolina,

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Speaker 2: we mentioned they traded DJ Moore, Well, they basically came

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Speaker 2: for a number one receiver, you know, like to Higgins,

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Speaker 2: Markus Brown, who the heck knows, but they want one

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Speaker 1: Adam Thielen who had been a number one receiver.

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Speaker 2: He at least.

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Speaker 1: Knows his steady and knows what he's doing. You know

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be you know, he knows where he's gonna

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Speaker 1: he's going to be at all the time. The quarterback

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Speaker 1: because he's gonna that's where he's going to be. And

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Speaker 2: And feeling, I think is also brought in the mentor

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Speaker 1: That has a lot of ability.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I bet I'll bet a fair amount of

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Speaker 1: Their young quarter Tee Higgins will make a time that

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Speaker 2: He's on the open market, that just out bit everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and bring him back, the Clemson guy, back to

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Speaker 1: back to Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense too. Maybe be a desirable destination

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, that's just as I was watching that

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Speaker 1: Just just a thought and we'll see, you know. I

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Speaker 1: We've often seen and we always he almost always saw

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Speaker 1: The announcement came.

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Speaker 2: Out the Bears were playing.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how many fans out there know how close

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nineteen sixty four draft, the Steelers decide that they

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Speaker 1: we move one of our defensive line like it was

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Speaker 1: you had. You had your defensive lineman and then your

437
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Speaker 1: secondary nothing in between.

438
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Speaker 2: People weren't throwing the ball as much, and they weren't

439
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 2: developed out concepts. I think it was go get open

440
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 2: and then they came up with running out route or

441
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Speaker 2: you know whatever we're gonna call it now. That's really

442
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Speaker 2: pretty cool.

443
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Speaker 1: Like who covered the running back when he went out

444
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 1: of the backfield at that what he did? Or the

445
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Speaker 1: tight ends I think they did.

446
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Speaker 2: I mean I think like Dick led the lead the

447
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,360
Speaker 2: tight ends with thirty catches.

448
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Speaker 1: And maybe that's why they developed a middle linebacker position.

449
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,479
Speaker 1: Like this Dick ad guy in Dallas is like catching,

450
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 1: catching everything. We have a thousand yards receiving as a rookie.

451
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Speaker 1: He was big and ye when John guys like that.

452
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's pretty cool some of that, some of

453
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Speaker 2: the innovative stuff that really didn't exist at the time,

454
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Speaker 2: or you know, forward pass was new, like wow, yeah,

455
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Speaker 2: but bu Gus was tremendous.

456
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Speaker 1: Yeah, uh this the Bears didn't have a time. The

457
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Speaker 1: Bears were like the Steelers at that point in the sixties.

458
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Speaker 1: Were they that bad? They were bad? And throughout the

459
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 1: seventies they were bad.

460
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Speaker 2: I mean really since Hallie.

461
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Speaker 1: Buck Gus never buck Gus never played in the playoffs.

462
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Speaker 2: Wow, had what ten year career or something like that. Yeah, yeah,

463
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Speaker 2: that's amazing.

464
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Speaker 1: And there was a.

465
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Speaker 2: Fewerts right, didn't never play the playoff game as on

466
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Speaker 2: the other side for a few years anyway, at least

467
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 2: a Saras didn't last a super long time. But wow,

468
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Speaker 2: that's that's crazy stuff.

469
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Speaker 1: But because they never had a quarterback, they've not.

470
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Speaker 2: Had a quarterback ever. Jimmy Man doesn't count.

471
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Speaker 1: Justin fields is now in the conversation, is the best

472
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Speaker 1: quarterback in THEIRS history?

473
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Speaker 2: I mean, Luckman, I mean nobody since like that, those.

474
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Speaker 1: Ye Sid Luckman. Yeah, yeah, anyways, I just thought that

475
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Speaker 1: was an interesting h uh. You know our our But he's.

476
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Speaker 2: An all time great. He might be the best off

477
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Speaker 2: wall linebacker ever.

478
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Speaker 1: Also came back here. If you remember, there was the

479
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Speaker 1: TV show back in the day, maybe ten fifteen years ago,

480
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: but Bucks came back to He came to Western Pennsylvania,

481
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 1: was coaching a high school team. You remember that.

482
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Speaker 2: I always think he was. He wasn't on Webster, that

483
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 2: was Alex Carroy. What was buckus on? He was in

484
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Speaker 2: some movies.

485
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Speaker 1: He was in some movies and stuff. Yeah. And the

486
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 1: light beer commercials.

487
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's remember before it tastes great?

488
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's phil in right. Those commercials were fantastic.

489
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Speaker 2: That's great. Yeah, way yea time, that's good stuff.

490
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Speaker 1: I go back. You can actually google some of those

491
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Speaker 1: on YouTube and go back and watch them.

492
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Speaker 2: Oh they were all the biggest.

493
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Speaker 1: They were like and they were innovative. Like yeah.

494
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Speaker 2: Then you couldn't forget him. No, no, And even as

495
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 2: a six year old, I'm like, I want to mill late.

496
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Speaker 1: Uh. So Matt talked to Alex Highsmith today after practice. Uh,

497
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Speaker 1: he intends on playing on Sunday.

498
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Speaker 2: That was a little bit of a scared day.

499
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Speaker 1: Said he kind of tweaked it late in practice on Wednesday,

500
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Speaker 1: finished to practice, and then Thursday was kind of you know,

501
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: catching on him a little bit. So yeah, did some

502
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, he said he was able to do some

503
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: individual stuff today and expects it will be better by Sunday.

504
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 1: So that's a big one for the Steelers. Yeah, but

505
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 1: they got to get pressure on him. Yeah, you have

506
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: to do that. But I would expect the offensive line

507
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: to still include uh Nate Herbig at right guard and

508
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: obviously uh Jones is gonna be the left tackle and

509
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: Jones at left tackle. In this game is concerning.

510
00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 2: He's concerning period.

511
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: I mean, but against a team like that really likes

512
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: to disguise what they're doing and where the pressure is

513
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: coming from and things of that nature. Like I think

514
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: it's really going to be incumbent upon Isaac Samalu to

515
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: be in Broderick Jones year, like he should be his

516
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: best buddy. Yeah, it has to be, has to be.

517
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Speaker 2: Absolutely so Jones's performance, you see all the ability. I mean,

518
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: he's got a chance to be great and in the

519
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: run game, he's a force already. He will play high

520
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: at times. His past proper technique is kind of all

521
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 2: over the place. He doesn't marry his hands well, it's

522
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: like he can.

523
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Speaker 1: Duck his head.

524
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Speaker 2: He's a little all over the place. And at Georgia

525
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: you get away with that stuff because even in the SEC,

526
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: you're so much more gifted, and you know people around

527
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 2: you can make up for deficiency here and there. But

528
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Speaker 2: you know, having not seen him past block in a month,

529
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 2: I thought maybe he'd be further along. But it's a

530
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 2: lot different playing in the NFL in the regular season

531
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Speaker 2: than it is you know, preseason or mini camp when

532
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 2: we're watching them camp. But the thing I think you're

533
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 2: getting that is he's still learning who to block too,

534
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: and it's just things happen fast. That's not well, why

535
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 2: they must be coaching him poorly. He's a project. They

536
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Speaker 2: knew that when he drafted him. There were a handful

537
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Speaker 2: of plays that he didn't really block anybody.

538
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Speaker 1: He started a fifteen career college.

539
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: Games for that too, right, I mean, he wasn't didn't

540
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: come in as a polished, you know product. But the

541
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: Ravens are hard to play against that way. They don't

542
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: bring a lot of five and six men pressures. It's

543
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Speaker 2: usually four, but you don't know which ones it's going

544
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Speaker 2: to be.

545
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll have they'll have seven, seven or eight guys

546
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Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage and it's a snap of

547
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Speaker 1: the ball, half of them will drop out. Yeah.

548
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Speaker 2: And you you said this off the air, so I'm

549
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: stealing from you that you might as well expect two

550
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: or three to him to be.

551
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Speaker 1: Right on every play. I would I would have if

552
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Speaker 1: i'm if I'm you know, yeah, if I'm Mike, Matt McDaniel,

553
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel, whatever his name is, McFarland, Mike McFarland. No,

554
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: if i'd the Ravens defensive coordinate, I'm putting, Yeah, I'm

555
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: putting at least I'm going to overload that side every play. Yeah,

556
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Speaker 1: just make him think, Just to make him think. And

557
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: then you're dropping some of those and you decide which

558
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: guy you're going to try to block, and it might

559
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: not be right.

560
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: No, I mean, in a safety is blocked a lot

561
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Speaker 2: different than blocking Clowney.

562
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Speaker 1: So what I would then expect for the Steelers is

563
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: either the tight end on that side constantly.

564
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: Or which isn't great for trucks, or.

565
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Speaker 1: Because that also handcuffs your offense a little bit you're

566
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: kind of playing left handed. If you're if your tight

567
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: end has to be on one side all the time,

568
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: or I would expect the back to be on that

569
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: left side of picket all the time.

570
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Speaker 2: Makes to pick up the blitzers the guys that come

571
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: true it would come through. Yeah, I think that's probably

572
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: safe to say. You know, usually you do that for

573
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: a great.

574
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Speaker 1: Pass pass rushery. Well, the Ravens don't have one.

575
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: They don't they don't have a stand.

576
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: But they'll have guys coming from all over the place.

577
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: Now the problem becomes when none of those guys. Sometimes

578
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: they'll bail totally. They may have three guys or four

579
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: guys on that side of the line, and then none

580
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: of them come and the pressure comes all four guys

581
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: are coming from the right side.

582
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that stuff happened, and then people look at

583
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 2: what's he doing.

584
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: He's having an awful game.

585
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: And that's gonna be on pick it too. Your lineman

586
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: can't go, Jones can't go block somebody on the right side.

587
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: If they don't bring anybody, you're not gonna block them.

588
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: And the other thing that they were bad at against

589
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 2: Houston was picking up stunts. The stunts, the stunt stuff

590
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: I thought was problematic.

591
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: You know, that wasn't always on him. It's the problem

592
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: like playing or blocking up front in the NFL especially,

593
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: is not like playing man de man defense, not askall

594
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: or something. You're you're basically blocking a zone like you're

595
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: pass blocking. You're you're blocking his zone. You're not necessarily

596
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: blocking the guy who is across from you because he's

597
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: not going to stay there.

598
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean you can't follow the stunt.

599
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: You got it. Yeah, you have to kind of create

600
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: a pocket and hope that the pocket holds up. But

601
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: you can't have three guys blocking air. Is the problem,

602
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: no doubt, no doubt.

603
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: Like I mean the Dick Lobo stuff forced people to

604
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 2: do that a little. Yeah, you know, like I think

605
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: this guy's coming, he does, and he drops into his

606
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: zone and you got a blocker doing nothing.

607
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: I mean, then you attomplish something as a defense. So

608
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: if with that in mind, matter are you going? Are

609
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: you having a hot route on every play against the Ravens,

610
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: because that seems to be kind of what Indianapolis did

611
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: against him.

612
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of short stuff, quick stuff, getting

613
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: the ball quickly, I suppose, I mean, but still they

614
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: have seven and coverage right or six and coverage seven them.

615
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: But it's got to be something that you know is

616
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: going to be open quickly.

617
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: Hm.

618
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: Like you can't have these long developing routes against these

619
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: guys because if you if they guess right and you

620
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: guess wrong, it's going to lead to a sack.

621
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and your protection hasn't been great all year period,

622
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: you know, and Kenny's been quick to bail too. Maybe

623
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: that gets him in a rhythm kind of like strouded

624
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: against Steelers.

625
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a lot of quick game.

626
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 2: I can see that.

627
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that would be my way of

628
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: kind of attacking. And that's kind of what I mean.

629
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Speaker 1: If you look at Baltimore's past defensive numbers, it's kind

630
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: of what everybody's done against them. Yeah, that's because they've

631
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: been banged up in the secondary. Nobody's attacked it. And

632
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the reason why, is because

633
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: they mix up those coverages so well. Yeah.

634
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: And I also think the nature of the quarterbacks they

635
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: face too. And one's in his first career start once

636
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: Minshew one's a shell of.

637
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: Iro And how about this number on Burrough Iard heard

638
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: his stat this morning on passes of fifteen or more

639
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: yards down the field this year. Nobody's worse than the

640
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: league two for twenty two.

641
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: Wow, just fifteen yards.

642
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: They're bread and butter.

643
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: I mean that's Chase, that's Higgins. Those guys are fine.

644
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: That's unbelievably he gets nothing on it.

645
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: I mean it's Dobbs is a much better quarterback than

646
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: Him's who their faces? Yeah right, I mean much better year.

647
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: I mean it's not even close.

648
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: So the official Steelers practice report today, Presley Harvin is out.

649
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: We knew that was going to be the case. Alex

650
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: Heighsmith officially listed as questionable again. I expect him to practice.

651
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: He was listed as limited today, but that was a

652
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: step in the right direction. Nagie Harris cropped up on

653
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: the injury report with with a limited participant today with

654
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: a hamstring. But he has no injury designation.

655
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: So they're beating in that game. Yeah, he'll be fine.

656
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Speaker 1: As we mentioned, Dan Moore is out, James Daniels is out.

657
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Speaker 1: Pat Fryarmouth we already knew he was out. De Marvin

658
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Speaker 1: lel with that concussion. He was limited on Thursday, did

659
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Speaker 1: not participate today. It means he probably after the athletic

660
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Speaker 1: workout on Thursday, experienced some reoccurrence of concussion symptoms and

661
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Speaker 1: so they declared him on That means yet one of

662
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Speaker 1: the other rookies is going.

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Speaker 2: To get okay.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're different. They don't even play position goes

665
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Speaker 1: strictly in those Yeah, so I think it's a lot

666
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Speaker 1: of Keanu Benton.

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Speaker 2: I was just thinking about who gets activated.

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Speaker 1: Well, he'll be active. I mean, I think Benton's going

669
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Speaker 1: to get a huge spike. Benton's going to get a

670
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Speaker 1: big bump this week, and for him, the key this

671
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: week is going to be you gotta hold your water

672
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: against these guys. Yeah, you can't get to you can't

673
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: allow yourself to. Oh, I see the quarterback and I'm

674
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Speaker 1: going to go get him, and then the offensive lineman

675
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: just kind of uses your momentum to take you past

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. And Lamar's got a big opening and.

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Speaker 2: Pass rush integrity and keeping the lane and yeah, I

678
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Speaker 2: mean you're not going to mush rush him. But you

679
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Speaker 2: also don't want to get too far upfield because Benton's

680
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Speaker 2: a tremendous athlete for a three hundred and twenty pound guy,

681
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Speaker 2: but not compared to Lamar.

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Speaker 1: I kind of do want it. I want my defensive lineman,

683
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Speaker 1: my my tackles to mush rush him, just to keep

684
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Speaker 1: him so that my edges can come and pinch. Yeah,

685
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Speaker 1: because I want him stepping up into the pocket to

686
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Speaker 1: throw the football. Yeah, because that's where they're back. Because

687
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Speaker 1: I want bodies around him when he's trying to throw.

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Speaker 2: Well, they certainly do have a say what you want

689
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: about Steeard coaching staff. They understand how to rush Lamar.

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Speaker 2: They've kept him.

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Speaker 1: Now whether the players execute that, that's what That's why

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, you know, with with a guy in a

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Speaker 1: guy in Benton who is his rookie. You know, don't

694
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Speaker 1: take the cheese. It's gonna be there. You're gonna see

695
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: him and you're gonna go, oh, I can go get him.

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Speaker 2: And even he's more of an upfield attacker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know he's he's been around the block like

698
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: he kind of If you can kind of control those

699
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: interior three with those two, yeah, now you can get

700
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Speaker 1: the rush on the outside, they're gonna win. They're gonna win. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So that that's what does mean he has to three sacks.

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Speaker 1: No, he's got to do his job. Don't don't allow you, now,

703
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: when Lamar steps up in the pocket, and if you

704
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: can get.

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Speaker 2: There, that's different, that's different.

706
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Speaker 1: But when he's in his when he's in his straight drop,

707
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Speaker 1: you do not want to You don't want to take

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Speaker 1: the cheese and run past him.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if louder Milk is going to get more

710
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: snaps too, which worries me a little bit. I have

711
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: not been impressed.

712
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Speaker 1: Yeah, eleven almost he almost has to. I mean, are

713
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: he and armand Watts or the are the the other.

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00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: Two guys in Watts will play a pretty significant role.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, yeah, people wanted to see some of the rookies.

716
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Speaker 1: Well you're gonna see a lot of them. You're gonna

717
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: see Darnel Washington a lot too. You know, the one

718
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Speaker 1: guy you're probably he's still a nickel dime slash, you know,

719
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Speaker 1: guy more and more dime obviously than Nickel. And you're

720
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Speaker 1: not gonna be a dime much against these guys. Yeah.

721
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Speaker 1: Now maybe that changes after the bye week. Maybe, But

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Speaker 1: I just they don't I don't know that this is

723
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Speaker 1: a team necessarily that porter. They're not going to go

724
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Speaker 1: down the field all that much. No, I don't think

725
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: they will either.

726
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Speaker 2: I know that he's not known as a tackler, but

727
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Speaker 2: I have not been impressed with Peterson and Wallace's tackling

728
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: in the run game. You know, I almost think anything

729
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: would be better.

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Speaker 1: It's strange, though, because that's one of the that was

731
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: one of Levi Wallace's strengths. You know, he was considered

732
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: a good solid tackler on the edge.

733
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Speaker 2: They missed a bunch of tackles snaps. He could also

734
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Speaker 2: play outside, but I don't think that's part of their plans.

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Speaker 1: For maybe use him a little bit in the dime

736
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Speaker 1: stuff as well, just to get it because they're if

737
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Speaker 1: you and he will tackle, and if you do go

738
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Speaker 1: dime against the raven because the Ravens will run some

739
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Speaker 1: three receiver stuff.

740
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Speaker 2: Now if Beckham and they definitely do.

741
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Speaker 1: But you'll need you gotta have. You can't just have

742
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Speaker 1: one linebacker and nobody else that can tackle on the field.

743
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Speaker 2: In the secondary, the Steeler has been real big in

744
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: base and dime. They have not played a ton of nickel,

745
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: you know, but I think some of that's also because

746
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: they've played a lot of two back teams and this

747
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: is another two back teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah for sure, Uh but uh that's

749
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: the Steelers injury report. I just saw some stuff. I

750
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Speaker 1: just I haven't seen a final injury report out of

751
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: Baltimore yet, but uh, jim our John Harbaugh was asked

752
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: about the availability of Morgan Moses and he said, well, uh,

753
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: he was kind of noncommittal about.

754
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Speaker 2: It really, so I'm sure he doesn't want to tip

755
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: his hand too much. Yes, that's the one to watch. Yeah,

756
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: that's yeah.

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00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. If they get file against TJ. Watt, Wow, yeah, yuck.

758
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a problem.

759
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: Is a lesser version of Day one Jones. And we

760
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: know what TJ. What did Day one Jones?

761
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: No doubt he doesn't move nearly as well as Jones.

762
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Speaker 1: He gifted. He'll fall, he'll fall over, and on occasion

763
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: big Man fall down, I'll spin. Anyways, let's get to

764
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Speaker 1: another break. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lollie.

765
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Speaker 1: You're listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

766
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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this. Welcome back.

767
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: I am Dale, Lolli. He is Matt Williamson, and this

768
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Speaker 1: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt. In

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Speaker 1: terms of this game, Jackson is completing seventy four point

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Speaker 1: three percent of his passes. That's the second best UH

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Well, but the ball's coming out quickly, Yes,

772
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: Is that a win for the Steelers defense? If the

773
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: ball's that, if the ball is out of Lamar Jackson's

774
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: hand in less than two seconds, I think I think

775
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: it's a win for the Steelers defense.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe. I mean I fear that the Steelers defense

777
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: has gotten so big play dependent, and it's hard to

778
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: create big plays in that environment. You know, ball out quick,

779
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: you know, But I have someone one in his hands.

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00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: Right, that's the that's the rube.

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00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: Anything but him. It being in Lamar's hands is probably

782
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: a good thing. Yeah, I mean, Dave Flowers is dangerous.

783
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Speaker 1: Because there's going to be some incompletions there. He's not

784
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: going to complete them all. And if I'm I'm you know,

785
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: dropping guys out myself and maybe, you know, maybe I

786
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: knock one free. You know, they they have been, they're

787
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: they're they're right now, they're plus mind there even right now.

788
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: So they will turn the ball over the occasion.

789
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Speaker 2: When I was shocked by that at him, like boy,

790
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: they've they've won pretty handily. They must be really high

791
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: in the turnover ratio and they're not they're even Steve.

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Speaker 1: One of the things we saw a couple of years

793
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: ago when Ben Roethlisberger was getting rid of the ball

794
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: so quickly is you're throwing the ball into traffic a lot, oh,

795
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: without questioning guys. More tip ball, yeah, a lot more

796
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: tip passes, a lot more guys not really securing the ball,

797
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: and then they're hit things of that nature, and you

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00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: put it on the ground.

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Speaker 2: So they also throw in the middlefield, right, there's.

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Speaker 1: Where there's more traffic.

801
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 2: So I could live with that their last or second

802
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: the last and throwing outside the numbers. Yeah, and a

803
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: lot of them, as you mentioned, are bubble screens, is

804
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 2: eight flowers, things like that.

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00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: Too, especially on what's supposed to be a wet, kind

806
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: of rainy day. I'll live with that. If they want

807
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: to throw, you know, twenty six yard passes, yeah, I'm

808
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: good with that.

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00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: So I mean you let off by saying Lamar's completion

810
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: percentage is super high and he's throwing the ball as

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Speaker 2: well as he ever has. I still don't know that

812
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: he's going to brady or breeze you down the field. No,

813
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: that's the other thing, yeah, Ben, Ben, you know he's

814
00:36:59,000 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: still not super.

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Speaker 1: Is twenty six percent that he's missing on. Are they

816
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: like really bad misses? You know he's only throwing one. Yes,

817
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: he's only throwing one interception thus far this season. And

818
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: they're even in turnover ratio, so they're putting the ball

819
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: on the ground.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yah, Yeah, I don't dislike it. I mean,

821
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Speaker 2: I still think probably need to put a lot of

822
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 2: bodies near the line of scrimmage in general, and if

823
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: they do beat you over the top, especially if the

824
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: if weather's an issue, I can live with that too. Yeah,

825
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: in a long developing you know, three second play.

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Speaker 1: A three second play, I'll trust that my pass rush

827
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: is going to get.

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Speaker 2: There because I do think you'll pressure him, and the

829
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: pressure numbers showed that he has not helped handle pressure

830
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 2: particularly well this year. So I either want it coming

831
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Speaker 2: out super quick or I want him holding it quite

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Speaker 2: a while, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what, I mean, nothing in between. Ya. I don't

834
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: want him dropping back and standing there and delivering the football.

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Speaker 2: Yeah two and a half boom, you know, right? No,

836
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: I think you're right about that. And their receivers are good,

837
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: but they're not super dangerous.

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00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not. Other than flowers, there's not a real

839
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: run after the catch guy, even Andrews, isn't it guy

840
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: that he's not Kelsey with the.

841
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: Ball or even you know Adams in terms of beating

842
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: you intermediate routes and stuff like that. They're good, but

843
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: they're not phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be interested to see what, you know, what

845
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: the deal is with Odell Beckham in this game, see

846
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Speaker 1: if he's available.

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00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we'll get a better idea of that,

848
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 2: probably during our show.

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00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: But if the the.

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00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: Report comes out hopefully at some point. Hopefully, but yeah,

851
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 2: sounds like Bateman's ago.

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Speaker 1: Today's question is fan this is a this is a

860
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Speaker 1: good one here? Bobby Shaw or Mike Wallace who had

861
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: the longest reception in a game versus the Ravens.

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00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: Who Wallace is hard to beat? He's a deep ball guy.

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00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go with Wallace. Okay, we'll see. Don't

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00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: trust me though, I'm just.

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Speaker 1: Kind of I don't think I would go in that direction. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling, you know tomorrow's question. If you

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Speaker 1: want to get a jump start in this, Syracuse are

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Speaker 1: North Carolina? Which school has produced more Steelers draft picks? Wow?

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Speaker 2: Syracuse has a strong history of putting out nflers, including

870
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: a one, Craig Wolf.

871
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so people forget Wolf was a Syracuse Yeah, I

872
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: guess graduate. I don't know if he graduated. Sometimes I

873
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: wanted to.

874
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: Say, you edited stories too.

875
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: He was a communications major.

876
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 2: Not an English major writing major.

877
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: We joke. Wolf's a Wolf's a fine respected Syracuse graduate,

878
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: Scholler scholar. I think he was a Rhodes scholar there.

879
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: Perhaps when I say Rhodes, I'm sparing spelling at R. O. D. Road. Yes, Yes,

880
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: Es scholars and hit the road. Getting back to the

881
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: game here, the Steelers have had issues against the opposing

882
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: team's number one receivers big time. Yeah, big time. Yeah,

883
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: they sure have. I don't expect that to happen against Flower.

884
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: Flowers might have a bunch of catches in this game.

885
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 2: He's not a Pelchia route runner like those guys either.

886
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, down the field big. If you look at the

887
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: receivers who have given them issues, DeVante Adams, Nico Collins,

888
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: Brandon Ayukamari Cooper, Yeah, they're all traditional. They're more traditional

889
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: six ' one six, two sixty three playmakers down the field.

890
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: That's what they want Bateman to be. But he really

891
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: doesn't make track record of doing that. And I can't

892
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 2: imagine him being a high target guy for this game.

893
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 2: You know where in Week one Flowers had almost fifty

894
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: percent of their targets. I mean, he's still their top

895
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: target dude, but it's not as extreme as that. But

896
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: he's a really interesting player, and I think both of

897
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: us really liked him coming out of BC. Yeah, I

898
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: mean really high on him. But he's a little more

899
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: gadgety than those type of dudes. Yeah that you mentioned that,

900
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: it beat him up.

901
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: How about this little nugget here. Steelers are four point

902
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: underdogs in this game. The Steelers are fifty one twenty

903
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: nine and three against the spread. His underdog's under Mike Tomlin. Wow,

904
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: that's a six thirty seven. I bet they've age flat

905
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: out win percent. That is the best record in the

906
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: NFL in that span as an underdog. As a dog,

907
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 1: there they are four.

908
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: That's their game record. Yeah, oh okay, now they're against

909
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: the spread.

910
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: Ruck, that's are against the spread. Ricker there as there.

911
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: Tomlin's record as an underdog is forty three and forty.

912
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: I think he's over five hundred.

913
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: He's over five hundred when his team is an underdog,

914
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: and alone being an underdog at home.

915
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: It's probably even better. Yeah, yeah, all these games are three.

916
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I've a lot of you know, I listen

917
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: to podcasts a bunch, and so many people that pick

918
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: games are like, this was less than three, Maybe I'd

919
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: take the Ravens, but it's always a three point game

920
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: and it's gonna come down to a field goal and

921
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: fours too money.

922
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's yeah, I hear, and I.

923
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: Hear that line of thinking, Yeah, that's I think. I

924
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: didn't know sure I mentioned it, but I hosted a

925
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: Thursday night podcast with Mike Pursuda last night and he's like,

926
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: and you're in the same boat. He's like, I've seen

927
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: every game between these two coaches and they're always the same.

928
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 2: I mean, frankly, myself and we'll get the picks. I'm

929
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: torn is this I think one team's noticeably better than

930
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: the other right now? Is that the way this game's

931
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: gonna go? Or is it gonna be Raven Steelers as

932
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: it always is? You know what I mean? Where you

933
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 2: truly throw out the records and how you're playing. And

934
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: Mike basically just believes that these games are always gonna

935
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: be the same, no matter if it's your ten and one.

936
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: They kind of play them to be that way. I mean,

937
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Like if you go

938
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: into this game sent a lot, this game's gonna be. Really,

939
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a three point game. Both head

940
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: coaches going to the game going, fellas, this is going

941
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: to be a three point game. Guess what, It's probably

942
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: gonna be a three point game.

943
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you coach accordingly.

944
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, you coach it that way and it becomes that way.

945
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: And I just think that's the way both of these

946
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: guys coach, particularly when they're coaching against each other. Yeah,

947
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: Like this Ravens team isn't going to necessarily run away

948
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: from anybody.

949
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: Only a built to do that all the and Fraser

950
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: could fight fifty times and they all were going to

951
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: go the same way.

952
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: The only way the Ravens do that to anybody really

953
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: is if Lamar breaks off a couple of long runs. Yeah,

954
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: and I don't feel confident about him doing that against

955
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: the Steelers. I don't know who've done a really four

956
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: point three yards per carry in his career against And

957
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: even before he became the starter, they would run him

958
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: out there on some you know, no that Brooks some stuff.

959
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 2: You had a lot of packages.

960
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's you know, so there is a track

961
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: record there that they know how to defend him.

962
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: No, I definitely think that that's very relevant in this game.

963
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: You know that they get him on the ground, they

964
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: hit him a lot. He's been visually uncomfortable, you know

965
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: in several Steeler games. I mean you can rattle them

966
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, physically.

967
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, get him seeing some things that really aren't there,

968
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: and we'll see. I don't know. I mean, I also

969
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: think there's there's something in this series like the Steelers

970
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: are kind of like a wounded animal right now, Oh,

971
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: there's something you said for that, and so were the Bears.

972
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: Last night.

973
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: The Bears were the same thing.

974
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: People lose fifteen in a row.

975
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, people, Matt ebra flues get fired after this game.

976
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: I thought he would. Yeah, I mean if they lost,

977
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: I thought he during the long week that he would

978
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: not be back.

979
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: And well that's not going to be the case now. Sure,

980
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: So there's some of that. I just think, you know,

981
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: in a game, after a game in which Mike Tomlin's

982
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: calling his team up publicly for not being physical enough,

983
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: I would be. I would be shocked if they're not

984
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: physical enough in this game.

985
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: No. Agree, I'm more worried about injuries and things of

986
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: that nature too, Like sure wish Cam Hayward in this game.

987
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, But one of the things we talked

988
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: about all off season, Matt boy, the Steelers team's really

989
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: improved its depth. Well, we're going to see now a

990
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: little bit. We're going to see a more rookies.

991
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: We talked about that last segment. You know, some younger

992
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: guys are time for them to step up.

993
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: It's October and it's time for Kenny Pickett to No,

994
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: he needs to.

995
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: Start playing, to play well, yeah, I mean if he doesn't,

996
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: then it doesn't matter.

997
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if everything else goes perfectly, if the

998
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: quarterback doesn't play well, you're not gonna win.

999
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: You're not gonna win in this league. No, So he

1000
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: needs to play a lot better.

1001
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're gonna get to another break. He is Matt Williamson.

1002
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: I am Dale, Lolley. You're listening to the drive here

1003
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. And when we come back, Matt,

1004
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: it will be time for the Fantasy Football focus. We

1005
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: got to get back on the horse here. Yeah, we've

1006
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: fallen behind a little bit here. We got to get

1007
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: back in winning fashion here and we will try to

1008
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: do that with our DFS lineup. We'll do that right

1009
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: after this