1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of the Mark Moss Show, 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: where we talk about bitcoin and we talk about the 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: decentralized revolution that is happening right now that we're witnessing. 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Each and every week, I'm trying to bring to you 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: the most up to date education so you can understand 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: what's going on, the latest breaking news, so of course 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: you can be the most educated person at that cocktail 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: party this weekend, and some very interesting people to give 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: you some different perspectives, um, and some insights that maybe 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: I can't provide. And so, uh, if you are not already, 11 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: if you haven't already, bookmark this, grab your phone, if 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: you're not driving, pull your phone, make up calendar appointment 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: to be with me each and every week at this time, 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: at this channel, same time, same place. You know the drill, 15 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: um if you are driving, do it later. UM. I'm 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: in the studio today with Spike Cohen. And Spike was 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: a vice presidential candidate UM for the Libertarian Party and 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: you can find them on Twitter at real Spike Cohen. 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: Very interest. I've been following him for quite a long time. 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: I love his takes. Anyway, Spike, thanks so much for 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: joining me today. Absolutely, Mark thanks for having me on man. Yeah, 22 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: so it was kind of cool. Like I've been following 23 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: you on Twitter for a while. I love I love 24 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 1: the takes that you have. And then, uh, just recently, 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: somebody I think that saw me speaking at Ron Paul's 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: conference is like, oh, I gotta get you connect with 27 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: Spike and um and then it turns out you've seen 28 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: some of my stuff and retweeted some of my stuff 29 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: and I love how it works out like that. It's 30 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: pretty cool. Yes, yeah, it worked out perfectly. Shout out 31 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 1: to Guerrimo for facilitating all of this. So Spike, I uh, 32 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: I kind of threw out a little bit. I mean, 33 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: you were the vice presidential candidate of the Libertarian Party. 34 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: Give us a little bit of background on on on 35 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: you and how you got into that position and what 36 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: you're doing. Sure, so my background is actually more in 37 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: business than in politics. I kind of came out of 38 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: nowhere seemingly because of that. Um. I started a web 39 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: design company when I was in my teens. Uh, and 40 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: I successfully grew that into I mean it wasn't fortune 41 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: or anything like that, but it was a successful company. 42 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: And uh. And then six years ago I was diagnosed 43 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: with ms UM, and that coupled with the talks we 44 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: were having about the course of treatment and things like that, 45 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: made me realize our life is finite. I had reached 46 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: a point in my life where I really didn't need 47 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: to work anymore for money, and I really started kind 48 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: of rethinking what I wanted to do and what purpose 49 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to have in my life. And I realized 50 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: I wanted my life too. I wanted for the world 51 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: to be a better place because I was here, and 52 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: for to have even mattered that I was here. And 53 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: the best way that I could see to do that 54 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: was to talk to people about the fact that they 55 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: do best when they're most free UM and that got 56 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: me into UM libertarian activism, which sort of parlayed its 57 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: way almost accidentally into it to my getting the UH 58 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: the Libertarian vice presidential nomination. I didn't actually think they 59 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: were going to nominate me. I just was giving them 60 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: ideas about how they could better message and better reach 61 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: out to people, and then they ended up picking UM. 62 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: So that's that's what caught me where I am, and 63 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: since then I've been continuing to hit the road and 64 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: spread the message of liberty and work with activists across 65 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: the country to help you that m that's great. Now 66 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: for everybody listening the Mark Ma Show. We talk about bitcoin, 67 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: but really I like to focus on the intersection of politics, finance, 68 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: and technology, which of course is bitcoin. To me. UM, 69 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: I don't uh, I think bitcoin is a political Um. 70 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: It's not prescribed, it's it's technology. It's an open source protocol. UM. 71 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: I think people bring their own biases to it. And 72 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: so we'll talk about some of those things. And I 73 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: would say, just to the listener, just keep an open mind. Uh, 74 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: it's not about politics. Were assigning one necessary way to another, 75 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: but have an open mind about that. But I'm just curious, Spike. UM. 76 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: So you're a business person and then you found yourself 77 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: wanting to kind of submit to a higher, higher calling 78 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: or do something positive, I guess, and that led you 79 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: to the Libertarian party. UM. Had you been a libertarian 80 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: cander or not candidate but a libertarian before that? UM? 81 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: Or were involved in politics before that or was that 82 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: like something new that that dragged you in there? So 83 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: I'd never really been involved in politics other than giving 84 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: my opinion and stuff like that, but I had never 85 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: really actively been involved in politics. And when I started 86 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: off in my activism. Politics wasn't or political party. Politics 87 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: wasn't actually my my initial intention. Like I said, when 88 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: I first ran for the vice presidential nomination, I did 89 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: it in somewhat of a tongue in cheek way and 90 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: really was more just trying to present here is how 91 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: we can present ideas of liberty better. And apparently I 92 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: did a pretty good job of selling my ideas because 93 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: they ended up nominating me to be the the the 94 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: actual candidate. Um. But but no, so I actually and 95 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: I tend to agree with you when it comes to 96 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: bitcoin and and defying all of that, I actually I'm 97 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: not sure. I think it's a political as much as 98 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: anti political. If politics is groups. If politics as groups 99 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: of people who are trying to basically force people into 100 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: their quote unquote solution by first denying at least partially 101 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: denying their cell ownership, their autonomy, and their property and 102 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: their and their money that that comes forth from that. 103 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: Then anything that robs them of that ability to rob you, 104 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: to steal from you inherently robs them of that ability 105 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 1: to engage in politics. Um. And so I actually see 106 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: the blockchain in general and especially bitcoin, as being an 107 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: actual act against that against the ability for politicians and 108 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: policymakers to be able to exert themselves in any real way. 109 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: If we are are our absence of or outside of 110 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: their system they've built, then they really can't control us. 111 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: So then you're saying that a political means that it's 112 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: not assigned to one political party or another, versus what 113 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: you're saying, anti political means it's the end of politics 114 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: where it's not about one party or another but actually, um, 115 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: no party that could co opt you or try to 116 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: put you in that group. Not just no party, but 117 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: the end of these coercive systems, or at the very 118 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: least a great reduction and a and a empowering of 119 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: those coersive systems. Um. Yeah, absolutely, I mean yes, it 120 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: is also a political in that it is not left 121 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: or right or you know, I will say, I do 122 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: believe it's libertarian as opposed to authoritarian, but not libertarian 123 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: in terms of a political party or something like that. 124 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: But no, I think it goes further. I think it 125 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: actually diminishes their capability and their capacity to inflict their 126 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: harm on us through the ability to manipulate the currency 127 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: and the and the money that they forced us to use. 128 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: I'm working on a bigger book. We're talking about a 129 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: smaller book. I just wrote put a bigger book, and 130 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: um in it, I have a section of the death 131 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: of politics and basically talking the kind of the same 132 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: way how um you don't politics is is has has 133 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: kind of emerged really as a function of kind of 134 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: coming out of this industrial age, um, and all this 135 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: centralization that's happened because of that. And as we start 136 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: to decentralize and to your point, start taking away the 137 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: money supply, um, it starts to take away their power 138 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: and starts to change and any with technology, we organizers differently, 139 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: and it just kind of takes away the need for 140 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff. I guess. Oh, I definitely 141 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: agree that the first example that that was or or 142 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: widespread example that was ever given of a government happened 143 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: in the in Mesopotamia, and the first governors were actually 144 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: called ditch bosses, and it was someone who just hided 145 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: how much water in their agricultural system each person could use. 146 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: Maybe that was the best system they could come up 147 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: without the time. But the fact that we're still using 148 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: that same coercive model, uh, you know, thousands of years later, 149 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: I think at the very if it ever was the 150 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: best model that humans had available, we've certainly progressed past that. Yeah. Now, 151 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: one thing that I love about your story is that, UM, 152 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: a problem that it seems I have anyway with people 153 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: in politics is that we have these career politicians that 154 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: have basically never done anything, and so because of that, 155 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: they're detached from reality. They've never had to bounce a 156 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: budget or hire someone or actually try to produce a profit, 157 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: versus you coming from the um actual business world, and uh, 158 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: you have a different perspective on that. Is that something 159 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: that you probably see with the you know, a typical 160 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: problem with the politics or politicians. I should say, I 161 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: think the three biggest differences that I know, and yes, 162 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: that's a huge problem. The three biggest differences between me 163 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: and what you would typically see in a politician or 164 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: elected official is Number one, I actually come from knowing 165 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: things from living in the real world and not just 166 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: being in career politics. Number Two, I'm not particularly concerned 167 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: about getting elected to anything. If I do get elected 168 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: to something, that's fine, But first and foremost I'm trying 169 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: to reach people and share a message with them. And 170 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: then the third thing is, and this has been in 171 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: talking with quite a few elected officials, uh everything from 172 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: the federal level on down. They are often very breaft 173 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: of any knowledge. They have their narratives, they're talking points, 174 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: they're good at their at their optics, but in terms 175 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: of of a deep knowledge of anything, that's often very lacking. 176 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: Um And so I'm in that way, I'm I'm I'm different, 177 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: I think than most politicians. Uh. With that said, I 178 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: always when I tell people don't trust politicians, don't don't 179 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: take their word for it, I include me and that 180 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: you know, don't just take my word for anything. But 181 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's there's that's definitely a huge problem in politics, 182 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: is politicians that are basically going off of narratives and 183 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: and and uh catchphrases and talking points that are being 184 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: handed to them. Yeah, all right, um man, there's so 185 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: much that I want to dig into here. I have 186 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: so many questions. And of course you're listening to the 187 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: Mark mo Show. We're talking about bitcoin and the decentralized 188 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: revolution and how it could change or maybe even eliminate 189 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: politics as we know. It's a big subject and a 190 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: dive in more. I'm with Spike Cohen at Real Spike 191 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: Cohen let me be back with more in a second. 192 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: Don't go away, all right, Welcome back. You are listening 193 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: to the Mark Mo Show. We're talking about bitcoin. We're 194 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: talking about the decentralized revolution that is happening right now 195 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: that we're witnessing. And something that I've been talking a 196 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: lot about is how bitcoin is going to change the 197 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: world for any number of ways, one of which is 198 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: that it changes the way that we interact, It changes 199 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: the way that we organize ourselves, and because of that, 200 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: it's going to change the course of humanity. Right. It's 201 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: a technological revolution, not in technology, a revolution that changes 202 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: the course of humanity. We're talking about how it could 203 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: change politics, and I've even said it could be the 204 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: death of politics. I'm in the studio joined by Spike Cohen. 205 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: You can find him on Twitter at real Spike Cohen. 206 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: He was the vice president Libertarian candidate for and Uh. 207 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: He's a previous business owner who found himself in politics. Now, Spike, UM, 208 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: A question I was thinking too, is that, Um, you 209 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: said that you know, you had the business. Um, you 210 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: were sort of drawn to politics only because you thought 211 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: that you need to do something better, to kind of 212 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: do some good in the world, you didn't need politics. 213 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm curious what it was like trying to work inside 214 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: that system. Uh what did you learn about politics from 215 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: being inside the belly of the beast? So the thing is, 216 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: because I've never been an elected official, and I've never 217 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: been in any of the major parties, I may not 218 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: have been as deeply into the belly of the beast. 219 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: But in terms of just being involved in the political system, 220 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: it's a terrible system. Uh. Anyone who follows the Libertarian Party, 221 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: even if you agree with our ideals, one of the 222 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: things you'll notice is the constant in fighting. And the 223 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: reason there's constant in fighting is the same reason we 224 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: have constant in fighting in government is because we are 225 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: because we are trying to have a political party that 226 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: has to comply with state and federal election law, we 227 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: are forcing ourselves into this de facto democracy. And when 228 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: you force people into a democracy, and I meanwhile, I 229 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't say force, we're all choosing to be a part 230 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: of it. But as a quote unquote necessary evil to 231 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: be involved in party politics, we're subjecting ourselves to a democracy, 232 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: which means that instead of the best ideas rising to 233 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: the top as a result of supply demand and price signals. 234 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: The best ideas are in theory rising to the top 235 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: from everyone arguing with each other and forming political factions 236 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: and fighting other factions and constantly fighting over who is 237 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: in charge of the narrative. And that's why there's the 238 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: constant in fighting. You know that a democratic system or 239 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: or really a political system in general, turns your neighbor 240 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: who might have a different opinion from you into your enemy, 241 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 1: potentially depending on how far their opinion is from yours. 242 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: And that's extrapolated out to the division we see in society, 243 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: that we see in our country, that you even see 244 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: in your neighborhood. And uh, you know, that's before you 245 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: even get into the corruption that happens when you actually 246 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: get into office. Do you think that the Libertarian Party 247 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: actually has a chance or are we stuck in a 248 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: two party system? So I think, first of all, we've 249 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: been doing it the wrong way. I think the Libertarian 250 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: Party has focused so long on finding someone who's going 251 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: to win the White House by tricking everyone into voting libertarian, 252 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: and then after that happens, they're going to trickle down 253 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: liberty on the rest of the world. And yet that's 254 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: not what we believe as libertarians, we believe that good 255 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: ideas happened from a decentralized manner, from people that voluntarily 256 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: recognize that you know that this is a good idea 257 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: you and that the the demand is fed by that supply, 258 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: and that it works up organically from there. But then 259 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: our politics is the exact opposite. We're gonna shoot all 260 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: the way for the top and then trickle it down 261 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: from there. And uh so what what where we've been 262 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: successful is in trying to win more local races, everything 263 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: from city council races, school board races, auditors races. I 264 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: think from a political standpoint, long before anyone's gonna trust 265 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: us in the White House or even in Congress or 266 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: in the governor's mansion, they need to see what we're 267 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: gonna do in their cities and their towns. We can 268 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: do immediate changes their harm reduction from what's being done 269 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: there from now, and then work up from there. It's 270 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: not gonna be a slow process, or it's not gonna 271 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: be an easier quick process, but we're already seeing it 272 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: happen there. They're the number of elected Libertarians almost doubled 273 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: in the last election, So it's certainly happening, but I 274 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna happen tomorrow, 're next year. I 275 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: like that approach, and actually that's very tactical. I mean 276 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: it's something that we're seeing a lot of the activists, uh, 277 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, the George soros Is of the world, um, 278 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: really starting to target those local elections, right, I mean, 279 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: starting with the two attorneys and things like that. Um, 280 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: And it seems to have a lot more effect. And 281 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: I would say, um, kind of back to this theme 282 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: of this kind of decentralization, and we're starting to see 283 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: like this balconization almost of the United States. And maybe 284 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: in feel free to tell me what you think, but 285 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: maybe it goes back to like the last election, um, 286 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: when there was you know, allegations of of miscounting and whatnot, 287 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: and then when all over to the Supreme Court and 288 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court kicked it back down, said nope, that's 289 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: up to the states. And then fast forwarding through the 290 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: last two years of the pandemic, we're starting to really 291 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: see the states starting to kind of uh, you know, 292 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: take matters into their own hands. Uh. Texas with their 293 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: abortion laws. Now we're starting to see them Arizona putting 294 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: this bill together to have a bitcoin is a cryptocurrency 295 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: or a legal tender, etcetera. And so maybe do you think, one, 296 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: I guess, is there this balconization almost in effect um 297 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: happening in the States. And if so, then does that 298 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: make this grassroots kind of a style of politics more effective? Yes? 299 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: And yes, balcon is anation is going to be natural 300 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: in a politically created subdivision of three thirty million people 301 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: who largely share nothing in common. We live in different areas, 302 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: were culturally different, We're never gonna meet each other or 303 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: anyone like each other. We have widespread opinions. And the 304 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: entire political system is built around this, this good cop 305 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: bad cop routine between the two major parties, who are 306 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: to distract from the fact that they're working together to 307 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: rob us all blind, are constantly creating this theater of 308 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: culture wars and and partisan in fighting and so forth 309 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: that feeds that divide even further. But even absent that 310 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: this country as we as it were would not exist 311 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: absent the threat of murder, if if we didn't opt 312 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: out of it. Right, So that so that but and 313 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: then that's why naturally we're seeing just at the the 314 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: real politic is becoming one of nullification cities, nullifying things 315 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: they don't agree with at the state and federal level. 316 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: States agree nullifying things they don't agree with at the 317 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: federal level, the federal government argue, wing and fighting with 318 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: the states and threatening to withhold money if they don't 319 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: cooperate with them. I actually like that if we're going 320 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: to have a government, if we're going to have a state, 321 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: I want them constantly fighting with each other, and I 322 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: want the the push to be as local as possible 323 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: for people to recognize that there's a tremendous amount of 324 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: political power in simply refusing to cooperate with higher authorities 325 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: and nullifying their orders from on high and saying no, 326 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: we're not going to cooperate with it, because without that 327 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: local cooperation, it's usually almost impossible for them to effectively 328 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: enforce whatever they're trying to impose on us. Yeah. Good point. Now, Um, 329 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: this is a bigger topic. But I'm curious. You know, 330 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: I kind of grew up in this kind of grassroots 331 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: political home, and uh, politics is still something discussed around 332 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: my family and my extended family's kitchen table. Um. You know, 333 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: I guess I would consider myself a Republican growing up, 334 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: I don't like to assign myself to any party anymore. Um, 335 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: I'm for the party that gives me more freedom less government. 336 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: I don't know which. I don't know which party that 337 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: is anymore. Uh, maybe it's a libertarian party. I don't 338 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: know right as a freedom already, I don't really know anymore. Um. 339 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: And it's like not one single party can really give 340 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: me everything that I want, I guess, um. But one 341 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: thing that I've had kind of looking at libertarians and 342 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: anarchists if you will or whatever, is like, hey, that's great, 343 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: Like you have a really good idea, Um, but how 344 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: do we get that to happen? Right? The machine, the 345 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: political machine, the left and right, it's so powerful. How 346 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: do we wrestle that power out of their hands? And 347 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: I guess you've kind of made a good point, um, 348 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: starting at a local level and not trying to go 349 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: straight for the top. But that's one reason why I 350 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: have been so excited about bitcoin over the last you know, decade, 351 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: because I feel like we we actually no actually have 352 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: a tool now and whereas like libertarians were kind of hopeless. 353 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: I'm curious to your thoughts on that we're gonna talk 354 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: about that in a second. 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And 364 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: we'll dig more into that in a second. So don't 365 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: go away, all right, welcome back. You are listening to 366 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: the Mark Moa Show, and we're talking about bitcoin, always 367 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: talking about bitcoin, always talking about the decentralized revolution, always 368 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: talking about the way politics, finance and technology are intersecting 369 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: with each other and about to change the world. If 370 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: you're just joining us. I'm in the studio with Spike 371 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: Cohen at Real Spike Cohen. You can find him on Twitter. 372 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: Libertarian candidate, vice presidential Libertarian Party candidate. Now Spike. Before 373 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: the break, I was saying, how, um, you know, while 374 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: I like what the libertarians do shout out to Ron 375 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: Paul kind of running that. Um. I got to speak 376 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: on a stage with him a few weeks ago. As 377 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: I was saying, was was pretty amazing highlight of my 378 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: my life. I don't know about my life, but one 379 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: of the one of the key points. But anyway, one 380 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: thing I've always kind of looked at these libertarians and 381 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: these anarchists is like, hey, you know, your ideas are great, um, 382 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: and that's cool, and like maybe we should try that, 383 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: but like, how does that ever really gonna work? And 384 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: as I was saying before the break, like I finally 385 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: feel like maybe there's actually something that we can do. 386 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: And it just seems like most libertarians and most anarchists 387 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: have overlooked that. Um, would you agree with that? Is 388 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: that something that you've seen. I think that a lot 389 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: of libertarians and anarchists and liberty lovers in general, maybe 390 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: even those that that consider themselves constitutionalists or whatever, but 391 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: people who want far less control and less government than 392 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: we have now. I think a lot of them have 393 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: just shrugged their shoulders and resigned themselves that it's going 394 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: to be this way. You hear this a lot from 395 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: people that, well, you know, most people are stupid and 396 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: their sheep and they want to be controlled. And so 397 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: the idea that we can actually effectively uh forget you know, 398 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, uh, eliminating the state or even greatly reducing it, 399 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: but have any kind of real uh progress towards more freedom. 400 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: I think they've given up on it. But I think 401 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: and you know you alluded to this before the last break. Um, 402 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: I believe that bitcoin and defy and the blockchain are 403 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: possibly the first, and certainly one of the first in 404 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: our lifetimes, effective tools to greatly reduce the amount of 405 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: control that people in power have. I mean, think about it, 406 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: with bitcoin and uh and I believe you're a bitcoin maximilist, 407 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: so I won't say crypto, but with bitcoin, would defy 408 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: with whatever. These are basically anti theft systems right like that. 409 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: The current system we have right now is your dollar 410 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: bill is worth your your money, that your U S 411 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: dollars that you're sitting on for that matter, you're your euros, 412 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: whatever Fiat currency you have is based entirely on the 413 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: whim of policymakers, and they literally print out trillions of 414 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: new notes every single They don't even bother printing them 415 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 1: out now, they just add it to a digital ledger, 416 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: and they hand it off to uh, you know, to 417 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 1: their political cronies and the people that help get them 418 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: in office, the government agencies that they want to see 419 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: bigger and everything else. And the thing is when they 420 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: do this, they're adding more money without adding more value, 421 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: which means that money is chasing the value, which means 422 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: that as more money chases the value, the value of 423 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: each of those individual currencies goes down and the cost 424 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: of living goes up. The closer you are to the 425 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: distribution distribution of that new money, the more money you get, 426 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: and the further away you are from it, the less 427 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: money you get. But the price goes up about the 428 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: same for everyone. And that's why we see this growing 429 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: gap between those who have and those who have and 430 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: it's theft. We're being robbed, and something like bitcoin completely 431 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: eliminates their ability to do that. Yeah, how does it? 432 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: How does it start to build those cracks, widen those cracks? 433 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: How does it start to penetrate? I mean, we've seen 434 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: a lot of entrenchment in the in the in the 435 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: political sphere already, a lot of senators, congressman, etcetera. That 436 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: are starting to adopt bitcoin, but how does it start 437 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: to wrangle that power away. How do you see that 438 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: playing out? I guess I see it playing out over 439 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: a long and and and uh sometimes frustrating slog you know. 440 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: I think it was Hiak who said, you know that 441 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: one of the best most effective ways we could uh 442 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: control or have more power is to take away the 443 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: currency control of currency from from the state, but that 444 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: he can't do it. He said that there shall never 445 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: be another sound money again until we take the thing 446 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: from the hands of the government. But it can't be 447 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: done by force exactly. And so he was basically you know, 448 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: coming up with the reason for the eventual Bitcoin white paper, 449 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: right like he was saying, it's not gonna be done 450 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: by force. It has to come from it just being 451 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: such a no brainer, better alternative to fiat currency. And 452 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,239 Speaker 1: so I think it's just gonna be this constant thing. 453 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: There's gonna be more and more regulations to try to 454 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: restrict it. There's going to be this uh vacillating between 455 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: coping with just you know, adapting it as official tender, 456 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: legal tender, or trying to restrict it. But I think 457 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. 458 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: It's just going. All they can do is delay the inevitable. 459 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: Because Bitcoin because defy and for that matter, all of 460 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: the solutions that are coming out of the blockchain, not 461 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: just C based, but every solution that's coming out of it, 462 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: is better than one that's centralized and based on coercions 463 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: and implicit threats of violence and the use of violence. 464 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: Anything that's based on supply and demand is always gonna 465 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: be better, based on better than something that's based on 466 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: I will kill you if you don't do it. Yeah, yeah, 467 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: always right without without the coercion. Uh, free imagine imagine 468 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: a free and voluntary exchange. So revolutionary, right, Um. Right. 469 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: It seems though, like I mean, if you look at 470 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: like the political sphere today, I mean, it seems like 471 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: we're almost approaching a climax. And maybe it seems like 472 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: we've been approaching a climax for a long time. But um, 473 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: you know, I've done a lot of work on this, 474 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: these cycles that are happening, and we're kind of in 475 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: the middle of this like two and fifty year revolution cycle, 476 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: and then you have like this eighty year kind of 477 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: fourth turning cycle, and all these things are kind of 478 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: coming together right now, and uh, you know, we're at 479 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: a point where like, um, we're at like peak centralization. 480 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: You have like these you know, World Ecomic Forum and 481 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: World Health Organization and the u N and i m 482 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: F kind of like peak centralization. And at the same 483 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: time we're seeing, um, the narrative is really starting to 484 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: fall apart, and trust is like plummeting really really fast. 485 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: And like that trust or that confidence in the in 486 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: the leaders in the state. Man, once that goes, it 487 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: goes really quick. I mean, I kind of think that 488 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: we might see something acts. So maybe real big change 489 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: happened in the next like five years. Do you think 490 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: that's too soon? I don't. In fact, I personally think 491 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: and you know, everyone put your tinfoil hats on before 492 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: I say this. I okay. So I think that it 493 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: is increasingly likely, based on the reports that are coming out, 494 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: that the COVID nineteen virus itself may have come from 495 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: as a result of gain of function research. We already 496 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: know that the US government was funding gain of function 497 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: research which created at least one virus that was similar 498 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: to COVID nineteen. That's established fact that the government themselves 499 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: admitted that. I think that it is very likely, Uh, 500 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: and possible that over the next year or so, it 501 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: is eventually going to come out that yes, this specific 502 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: virus was as a result of GAINA function research, either 503 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: from the US, maybe the Chinese government, maybe some other government, 504 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: and that it ended up accidentally leaking, and that multiple governments, 505 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: including the Chinese government and probably the US government as well, 506 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: we're involved in trying to cover it up and pretend 507 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: it didn't happen. In the midst of everything that has 508 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: happened with COVID nineteen, the millions of deaths, the lockdowns, 509 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: and all the devastation that have caused, and just the 510 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: sheer amount of anxiety that the average person on this planet, 511 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: not just in this country but on the planet has 512 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: experienced as a result of this virus and the ancillary things. 513 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: If they end up finding out that this all happened 514 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: because of government and that they tried to cover it up, 515 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: we can't even imagine the amount of distrust that is 516 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: going to create, not just in those specific governments, but 517 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: in the entire concept of, oh, well, they're doing these 518 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: things to protect us. I think the level of trust 519 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: in these systems is going to completely plummet as a 520 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: result of that. Again, We don't know that's going to happen, 521 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying it's going to happen. If it 522 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: does happen, then your five year predictions that it won't 523 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: take the Thing with that, though, is that it's it's 524 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: back to the trust, right And so the fact that 525 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: they openly are and and in your face are trying 526 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: to censor and shut down any talk, any communication, any report, 527 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: it just leads us to think they have something to hide. 528 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: If you had a business partner that you suspected wasn't Bezline, 529 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: for example, and uh, you asked him about some expenses 530 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: and he got all nervous and wouldn't wouldn't you know, 531 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: took the books away from you and wouldn't let you 532 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 1: look at him, and it's like, well, hang on, like, uh, 533 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: I think you're probably now stealing from me, right, Versus 534 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: if he's like no, like, let's take a look, here's 535 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: the banks and here's right, that would be open and transparent. 536 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: And so when you have the government basically doing the 537 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: same thing right now, I mean, uh, Sakie was saying 538 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: yesterday or day before that they should do more to 539 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: sensor Joe Rogan's podcast, and uh, I mean, I mean, 540 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: so in your face, trying to censor everything, and that 541 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't leave trust, No, it doesn't. And honestly, 542 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad that they're being more open about what their 543 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: intentions are, both because it is called distrust and because finally, 544 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: this whole well, Facebook is a private company. Nonsense is over. 545 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: Facebook wasn't doing this as a private company. Facebook and 546 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: Twitter and the rest of these social media we're doing 547 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: it at the BHS and sometimes the order of government 548 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: here and around the world. And I'm glad that that's 549 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: out of the bag and we don't have to pretend 550 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: that anymore. Yeah, there's a saying, and I don't know 551 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: who said it, but it's like, you don't. You don't 552 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,479 Speaker 1: prove a man wrong by ripping out his tongue, right, 553 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: You only prove that they have something to hide kind 554 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: of a thing. Right. And so I've always believed that 555 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: the truth wins, right, the truth wins, and open debate. Um. 556 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I know there's a problem with 557 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: information today, but I think if you let information be free, 558 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: then we'll find the truth. Um, not not trying to 559 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: censor it. And that looks shady. Um, you're listening to 560 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: the Mark Moa Show. We're we're talking about bitcoin. Uh 561 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: in a long, roundabout way. I'm in the studio with 562 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: Spike Cohen um at Real Spike Cohen on Twitter. Um, 563 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about politics and bitcoin and how it's going 564 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: to change. We'll be back with more. Don't go away, 565 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: all right, welcome back. You are listening to the markma Show. 566 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: We're talking about bitcoin. We are talking about the decentralized revolution, 567 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: and today we're talking about how it is changing politics. 568 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: It's uh, I'm saying the death of politics A certainly 569 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: um as a Spike here said anti politics. I'm in 570 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: the studio with real Spike Cohen um at Real Spike 571 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: Cohen on Twitter. Um he was the Libertarian Party, the 572 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: vice presidential candidate. Um and uh man Spike. So we 573 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: started talking about this trust breaking down before the break 574 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: and um, you know how this could lead to massive change, right, 575 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: just trust in the system, um von Mesis said in 576 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: the Crack Up Boom. But suddenly the people wake up. 577 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: They realized that inflation is both persistent and intentional. And uh, 578 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: it's like suddenly and like we see inflation all over 579 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: the news today. We oh, well it's persistent and oh 580 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,239 Speaker 1: you mean the FEDS always targeted inflation. It's intentional, right, 581 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: and so like they're starting to wake up. The trust 582 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: is breaking to your point, maybe some stuff comes out 583 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: on this game of functions, something maybe happens that caused 584 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: that right away. Um, this morning I saw article I 585 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: forget Uh some MSN mainstream media on publication said Nancy 586 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: Pelosi was speaking out against China and their human rights 587 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: issues with the weak ares and um, they're actually calling 588 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: for like a ban on the Olympics over that, And UM, 589 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: I thought, man, what a narrative shift, Like what are 590 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: they getting ready for here? Like why all of a 591 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: sudden are they turning on China. There must be something 592 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: that's like caused them to go from like covering it 593 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: up to now all of a sudden like openly doing that. 594 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: And so um, trust has fallen, Uh in my opinion, 595 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: like the cats out of the bag. And in a 596 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: sense almost like when the printing press came out, the 597 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: Protestant Reformation happened and there was nothing the church could 598 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: do to stop it, and that's kind of what we're 599 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,239 Speaker 1: seeing today. Where do we go from here? Like uh, 600 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: for the average person, I mean you've obviously decided you 601 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: have made enough money you want to go effect change. 602 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: You got into politics. Do you think politics is a 603 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: good use of time for the average person to like 604 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: really be engaged or is it kind of a waste 605 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: of time and it's a you know, it's a a 606 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: dopamine fix or something. I think it depends on the 607 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: person and what their goals are. I don't. First of all, 608 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: I want to say, I don't think politics is or 609 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: should be the primary route by which we try to 610 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: affect change. Um. Which is why most of my activism 611 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: was actually based more and similar to what you're doing, 612 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: you know, starting my podcast that I do and uh 613 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: and doing interviews with other people and talking about my 614 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: experiences as a small business owner. Getting into political into 615 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: the political party happened again, almost accidentally. I went in 616 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: and said, hey, you guys could be doing it this 617 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: way and saying that this way and maybe doing this, 618 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, great, you're you're our candidate. Okay. UM. 619 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: So I don't think that party politics is going to 620 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: be the way that we save mankind or that we 621 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: that we are are able to truly free ourselves. I 622 00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: see politics especially electoral politics as a means of harm deduction, 623 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 1: as we use things like counter economics, as we use 624 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: use things like mutual aid and activism, as we use 625 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: things like education and outreach to bring people into the movement. 626 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: As as we do that, if we can also use 627 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: electoral politics to convince elected officials and politicians that it's 628 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: in their best interests to fight other politicians and try 629 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: to nullify what they're doing, then that's great. But no, 630 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to vote our way out 631 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: of this, no matter how hard we vote. I don't 632 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: think we're going to protest our way out of this, 633 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: although protests can certainly have an effect. Um, I think 634 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: that the main way this is going to happen is 635 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: going to be from the market coming up with better 636 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: ways of doing things. And it's going to be fought 637 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: at every step by those in the political realm and 638 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: arena because they want their political solutions over actual economic solutions. 639 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: But the economic solutions are eventually gonna win out. I 640 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: believe that liberty is going to win, and I believe 641 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: when it wins, it's going to be because it makes 642 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: more sense and it works better. So, UM, I think 643 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: what you're saying is something that I have been trying 644 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: to live, which is the most effective form of voting 645 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: is voting with your pocketbook, voting with your money, and 646 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: voting with your feet. And um, that's one reason why 647 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: I was living in Puerto Rico, UM last year, and 648 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: I left at the end of the year because they 649 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: got crazy with their mandates and I'm like, well, you're 650 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: not gonna get my money anymore. I'm gonna have to 651 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: leave now. UM. And I just I can't stay there 652 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: and give them my money that way. And we've seen, 653 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: you know, Texas and Florida have how competed California, New York. 654 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: Both governors found themselves on the chopping block. One kept 655 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: his job, one didn't. Um. But you know, voting with 656 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: your feet. But we almost kind of have to get 657 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: a little bit more of the state's rights or balconization, 658 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: if you will, in order for that to be really effective. Right, Otherwise, 659 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: if everything is federal, it maybe doesn't it's not as effective. Oh. Absolutely, 660 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: We're not gonna have a federal solution, and for that matter, 661 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: we're not gonna have a fifty state solution. I think, 662 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: like I said, I my when I talk to people 663 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: about the grassroots move intellectoral politics for Britarians. And incidentally, 664 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: I'm working largely within the Libertarian Party, but this is 665 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: also going to include liberty Republicans, It's going to include 666 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: people that are not involved in politics political parties at 667 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: all and run as a write in for their school board. 668 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: So this is not you know, you have to be 669 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: a part of the Libertarian Party. But those who choose 670 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,959 Speaker 1: to get involved in electoral part politics, those who are 671 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: the most effective at reducing the harm being done at 672 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: the hands of the state, are largely going to be 673 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: finding themselves fighting other politicians and bureaucrats and policymakers and 674 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: working to nullify or combat what's happening. And that that's 675 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: largely what we have seen. You know, the biggest moves 676 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: we've seen in the political realm towards liberty have been 677 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: politicians saying, even if it's only to get reelected, no, 678 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to fight against this. I'm not gonna let 679 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: this intrusion stand. Yeah, now you said you didn't think 680 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: that the protests were that effective. I'm sure I don't 681 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: even have to ask. I mean this, this, this trucker 682 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: convoy going on in Canada has been something to see 683 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: and I was I was load. I was noticing today, 684 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: actually tweet about it this morning. Um. They raised over 685 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: ten million dollars on go fund me, which is more 686 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: than every political party combined in the last quarter, more 687 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: than Trudeau, more than anybody. Um. And you know Trudeau 688 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: keeps saying this is some fringe element, this doesn't represent Canada, right. Um, Well, 689 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: people voted with their money and the money tally's shows 690 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: that it's not friends. As a matter of fact, it's 691 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: more more important, or more powerful than all the political 692 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: parties together. It is the largest political movement in Canadian history. 693 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: Someone joked, you know it's bad when Canadians start protesting 694 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,479 Speaker 1: on mass um. By the way, I want to be clear, 695 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: I said, we can't protest our way out of this. 696 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: I do think protests can be one of the many 697 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: effective tools, and the Trucker Convoy is a perfect example 698 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: of that. The Freedom Convoy is a perfect example of that. 699 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: More so than even yes, they are bringing people to 700 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: a message of way, more people agree with you than 701 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: than the media has been telling you that these lockdowns 702 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: are bad, that these mandates are bad. But there's also 703 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: been the real effect of when these tens and hundreds 704 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: of thousands of truckers come into these cities that have 705 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: been under various forms of lockdown and capacity restriction and 706 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: mask mandates and vaccine mandates for months and years. Now, 707 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: all that stuff goes away. In Ottawa, people were walking 708 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: into stores with no respect to any kind of capacity 709 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 1: limitations or max mandates or vaccine mandates, going and buying food, 710 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: going and eating and everything else. And what was happening 711 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: was the police were unable to do anything about it. 712 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: They had neither the physical means or the capacity to 713 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: try to stop these people from doing it. And so 714 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: not only did these these truckers and their supporters demonstrate 715 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: that there's way more people in Canada and frankly around 716 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: the world that are against the COVID regime restrictions, but 717 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: they've also just come in and said, now I not 718 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: obeying any of this, and they've demonstrated in doing so, 719 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 1: that there is no such thing as government power. There's 720 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: only what the people are willing to tolerate. And the 721 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: moment they're not willing to tolerate, that ability to effectively 722 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: enforce goes away. Yeah, when they stopped, when they stopped 723 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: giving them their consent, right, And so that's kind of 724 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 1: going back to why I left Puerto Rico. Like I said, 725 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: it's like if I continue to stay here and give 726 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: you my money because a lot of my friends they 727 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: were like, ah, you know, just use this fake thing 728 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: and you can kind of get away with that. And 729 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,479 Speaker 1: I'm like no, because if I'm here and I'm giving 730 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: them my money, then I'm basically telling them that what 731 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: they're doing is okay. And if you look at like 732 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: the story of like how the Berlin Wall wall fell, 733 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: or any or really the whole uss are but you 734 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: know Berlin Wall, the people stopped consenting, right. The people 735 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: went and sat on the wall and they said, we're 736 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: not leaving, and uh. The guards are like, well, we'll 737 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: shoot you, and they're like, well then shoot everybody. And 738 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: the guards are like, well, I guess, I guess we 739 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: can't do that, and uh, they just stopped consenting, and so, uh, 740 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: I love. I've been reading um lately a lot of 741 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: the work the Hovel have done and Solcianizchev and talking 742 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: about how the USSR fell, and they talked about how, um, 743 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 1: whenever you're living in a lie, it just takes one 744 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: person to kind of break through that crust and live 745 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: in the truth. And then when other other people see 746 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: that and they want to do the same, and then 747 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: you know, more and more people join in, and then 748 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: to your point, they just can't stop it. If you're 749 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 1: listening to the Mark Mos Show, we're talking about bitcoin, 750 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: We're talking about the decentralized Revolution. I'm in the studio 751 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: with Spike Cohen at Real Spike cohen Um. The conversation 752 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: we've had today and how we'll end it is the 753 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: quote from Samuel Adams that says it doesn't take a 754 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: majority to prevail, but rather a small, irate minority to 755 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: continually light brush fires in the minds of men.