WEBVTT - The State of Consumer Tech with Lisa Eadicicco 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:03.880 Also media. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:20.520 Enter the twisted mind of ed Zitron. This is better offline. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.600 That's right. 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:24.720 We're here in New York City, New York State, and 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:28.360 we've got a great guest, Lisa Atichico from CNN. Thank 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.240 you so much for joining us, Lisa on this horrible 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.519 wet day, truly truly one of the ugliest days in 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.080 New York history. But nevertheless, we're going to talk about 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.120 consumer tech to then and everyone says, oh, Ed, you've 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.440 got to be nicey, you've got to be like things more. 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:43.839 But what's a gadget you've actually liked this year? Like, 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:45.599 what's what's the stuff you've been enjoying? 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:47.880 Yeah, And it's it's kind of funny because I feel 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:49.960 like when I think about gadgets, I think about them 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:54.000 two ways. There's one like the gadgets I would actually 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.240 buy and that I actually use every day, and then 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.360 two the ones that are I think interesting for what 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.520 they say about the industry or that have been fun 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.399 to write about and fun to cover, and for the 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.839 things that I have enjoyed using this year. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:08.360 I would say it's a lot of the. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.840 Things you'd expect, like the Nintendo Switch to is a 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.880 fun one. This year, the new Apple Watch, because I'm 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.280 a big Apple Watch user, things like that, And then 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:19.440 there's the other category of things that I think have 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.280 been really fun to write about, and for that, I 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:26.280 would say the Galaxy x are definitely stands out. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:30.040 So what is the Galaxy So that's the Vision prone too, right, Yes, 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.399 So how comfortable is it? Stop there? 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:34.960 I would say, I mean, none of these things are 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.199 super comfortable, to be honest. It's still this thing that's 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.000 bigger than a pair of glasses, bigger than something you're 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.400 used to wearing on your face, so it's always going 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.400 to be a little bit uncomfortable. I do think the 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.600 Galaxy XR was like very easy to adjust and get 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.000 to fit correctly for me. I feel like a lot 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.280 of these headsets usually are a little too big for 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.240 me or might like fall off my head. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.000 The Vision Crow I have a giant Bonce, giant giant 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.200 head and that thing. Try to get that thing on 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.400 was like balancing a cup of tea on. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.120 My head exactly. It's never it's never that comfortable. It's 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.600 kind of weird. Yeah, I do feel like it was 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:11.520 easy to adjust. 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.600 It wasn't the most comfortable thing to wear, but I only, 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.440 and I only wore it for like maybe about twenty 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.799 minutes at a time, So I do feel like wearing 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.640 it for extended use cases, the kinds of things that 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.520 Samsung and Google think you'll use it for, like productivity 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.680 and entertainment. I think that's I don't know how comfortable 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.480 it would be to wear it for, like, you know, 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.320 if I'm working on a project or watching a movie 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:31.720 or something. 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.560 To say, you wouldn't do like your actual work inside it, I. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:35.080 Would try it. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:36.520 I think it would just take some time to get 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.160 used to, you know, wearing that thing for like an 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:39.880 hour or longer. 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.200 Because as like a vision pro truth and I think 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:46.280 I mentioned this in person previously, but I can't use 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.240 my vision pro right now. I can use it, but 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.359 I can't update it unless you keep it on your 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.519 head during the update, which is one of the most 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:58.119 insane ideas ever. But I genuinely like that. When I 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.919 was trying it, I was so tall because eighty five 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.200 percent of the time, I fucking hate it. I just 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.160 I really I was just like mad at it because 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.639 like it would something would like my cat would brush 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.320 my head and that it would be out of focus. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.440 But there were these times on getting it and be like, 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:16.240 this is actually really cool. I'm like writing, I wrote 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.640 a whole thing on it, like it was back in 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.400 the earlier days of the show. I was like, I 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.400 really like, this's got some music in the background. And 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.760 then again like Babu my cat would knock me in 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.600 the head because he's very affectionate cat to do now 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.080 he's a lovely affectionate cat, massive part of the show. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.079 And then I'd need to readjust it and then I 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.880 would start to get a headache. Did you did you 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.800 find that the software was good on the Galaxy one? 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:39.160 Like how was it in comparison? 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.320 Yeah, So there's a couple of big things that stand 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:44.040 out to me. I think the Gemini integration is really good, 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:45.960 and it should be because that's the one thing that 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.800 Google and Samsung are kind of pitching as setting this 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.800 apart from the Vision Pro and previous attempts at mixed 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.520 reality and VR, but the idea that you can just 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.560 look at something and ask a question about it. Like 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:00.520 in my demo from October, I was looking at photos 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.800 and Google photos, and yes, it's cool that you can 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:04.640 look at them on a giant screen and everything, But 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.320 for me, what felt like the new thing that this 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.320 is bringing to the table is being able to look 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.960 at that photo and be like, oh, where in the 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.920 world those types of trees usually grow and can like 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.400 that combination of like knowing what you're looking at without 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.360 having to really specify. I do think the vision Pro 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.560 is better at certain things like media for example, right, 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.880 I mean some of the like spatial videos that have 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:28.880 been created for the vision Pro are. 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:30.599 Just like breathtaking when you look at them. 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.559 But I don't I don't know that I would buy 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:34.800 a vision Pro for that reason, but it is very impressive. 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.640 It is the thing like even with both of them, 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.200 they have the same problem where it's like this is 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.279 a cool idea, like oh, I know where that tree 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.200 is now, like great, but it's like practically within my 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.120 life when am I sitting down being like when where's 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.479 that tree from? Like where is the Yeah, where's the 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.920 practical uses in With the vision Pro, it's like great, 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:55.919 I can put this on my head and walk around 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.719 with it. I can kind of see who is this for? 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.400 Yeah, I think that's the big question. 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.040 And I feel like that's kind of at least for 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:06.640 me when I try to look at Okay, what new 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.120 products have been successful and did actually start a category 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:11.400 and catch on with consumers, and. 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:12.200 Which ones haven't. 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:14.839 And the thing that I've kind of noticed is the 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:16.880 ones I haven't or when you really try to kind 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.440 of force a user behavior that isn't there. And sometimes 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.719 I feel like that's what's happening with these headsets, is 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.760 that the technology is very, very cool, it's very advanced, 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.400 but it always feels like it's a step towards something 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:31.719 more natural that we haven't gotten to yet. And you 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.240 could say that about the Oculis Drift that came out 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.520 more than ten years ago. In some cases, even the 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.480 headsets today. I still feel that way about. 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.720 And the Steam. Have you seen the Steam frame? We 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:42.840 just add the valve. 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.360 I haven't tried it. I've seen I don't think. 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.480 I don't. I think I just had stay from games. 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.320 Next is on and he tried it a bit. But 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.640 it's with all these things, it's like I wish that 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.799 have waited four years. Yeah, I wish that wait because 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.120 there are those moments like you mentioned with the special video, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.960 where it's like, holy shit, like this is actually really cool. 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:03.760 Like I watched like a basketball game on the Vision 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:05.880 promo I'm like, this is this is actually. 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.200 Hard until you try it right. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:08.920 And that's the things I don't feel like that many 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.200 people are gonna have the opportunity to really try it 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.560 at length, to work it into their lives. But yeah, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.080 the idea of like, oh my god, it really does 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.679 feel like I'm sitting courtside right, Yeah, that's very cool. 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:19.640 And the other thing is that even if it's just 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:21.839 a big TV, that is cool. The problem is is 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.760 you can just sit down and watch a television. He 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.599 just turned the bloody thing on. I have. I have 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.440 this Nebular X one projector, which I fucking like. It's 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.080 like Anchor, It's so good soundpoll now, and I just 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.159 got like a nice screen I pull up and that 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.160 just even that it's like two or three minutes to 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.240 diddling around. But I now have one hundred inch screen 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.480 in my apartment. That's so much less work than the 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.680 vision Pro because the vision pro is like constant maintenance, 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.760 and I feel like if they waited, I don't know, 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:51.680 it may in case a friend of the show, he 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.599 suggests that this will just never happen. I honestly don't 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.839 necessarily know if I disagree with him on this one, 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.720 but it's like, I really hope it does. If it 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:05.279 was just something like maybe out no, like a hat 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.080 that just worked, that would be cool. But we're like, no, 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:09.080 not even. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:10.200 Close right exactly. 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.320 And I think that's kind of why a lot of 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:16.200 these companies are kind of working towards these smart glasses instead. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:17.920 Because they are natural. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:19.960 They do feel like something you would wear, whether there 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.920 was tech in them or not. But again, I feel 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.640 like convincing people that this is something that's actually going 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.680 to be more convenient might be difficult. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:30.400 Although I don't know. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.280 I mean, people who wear glasses might say, hey, I 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.000 need new glasses anyway, and that looks cool. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:34.800 Maybe I'll try it. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.440 The thing is with the smart glasses is I just 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.960 have to wonder about the social problem because I know 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.680 if one of my friends other than like Victoria Suga, 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.880 came on wearing them, if someone was wearing them when 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.360 I was like at a bar, I wouldn't want to 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:52.080 look at them. I have to wonder how most people 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:53.080 would feel about that. 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.880 I think there's that that's an important part. I also 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.320 feel like the interaction element is going to be weird 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.280 socially because you're out, let's say, we're sitting here talking 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.880 or we're at a cafe and we're talking about something 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:06.760 and I'm like, oh, let me go look that up 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:08.960 on my phone. If instead I were to say, I 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.040 can just ask gem and I in my glasses. 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.679 We're just staring dead eye right exactly. Well that Victoria's 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.320 some from the virtual Tradition was showing, It's like when 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.240 you're looking, it is this weird kind of dead eye, 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:22.520 this dead eyed step, because you're just your eye is 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.600 staring at the corner. And I just wonder, like, as 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.080 cool as it is, what's the point of the smart 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.640 glasses as well? Like I can I see the Vision 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.880 pro as a more and even the Galaxy one as 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:38.080 a more fundamentally sound idea than the glasses, because at 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:42.360 some point it's like, okay, if I'm wearing glasses, like 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.160 I need guidance where I'm going, I guess that's useful, 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.920 But like, am I just putting this on versus Okay, 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.320 I'll put on a helmet and watch a sports game. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.520 I think the way that icy glasses, if they do 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.959 take off, the reason why I would almost think of 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.040 them as like kind of like the way you think 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.960 of AirPods and wireless earbuds like some that's on you. 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:02.640 You can use it to listen to music, to take 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:04.760 calls as you're walking, and then it also has that 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:09.440 optional displays you can, you know, see where you're going 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.600 or look at directions or whatever you might want to 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.000 look at, like the time whatever. So kind of like 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.520 bridging together like what you would use a smart watch 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.640 for and what you would use wireless ear buds for. 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.560 Yeah, I see that, and I just wonder as well, 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.280 will Apple even bother will Google even like actually, if 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.760 Google does it again, I have to respect them. After 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:42.880 the whole Google Glass debacle, are they still around Google Glass? 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.199 I want, I can't remember. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.640 I don't know where the latest on Google Glass stands. 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.120 I don't think they are. I know they kind of 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:50.680 pivoted to enterprise. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:52.960 Yeah, that's why I wasn't That's why I wasn't sure 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.640 if they'd done away, because I know Microsoft is basically 0:09:55.679 --> 0:10:00.240 killed HoloLens, but they have a very small enterprise division. Yeah. 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.800 I mean at this point with I feel like I 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:04.720 don't know for sure. I can't speak for Google, but 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:06.320 it would make sense for them to I feel like 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.160 focus more on Android x are and the future of 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.840 that platform at this point, well, for me, take. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.280 It a slight change. The one thing I will say 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.800 is this is an unpopular opinion. That can have my 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.080 house for this one. I love the iPhone AS and 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.760 I heard that they're delaying the next one to like 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.240 twenty thirty seven. I'm very disapoint I'm very upset by this. 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:25.280 I love the iPhone A. 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.200 I do like it to me for it, no, I 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:29.320 think it's a good phone. 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.160 And for Apple, I feel like they don't you know, 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:33.800 that's all they need is a good iPhone. 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:34.679 People will buy it right. 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.160 It doesn't have to reinvent the wheel every single time 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:39.480 they come out with a new phone. I do think 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.640 where Apple can struggle sometimes is when you have these 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.720 in between models that are like not too different in 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.280 price from whatever. The cheapest iPhone and the most expensive 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.680 iPhone is like that. For whatever reason, this is just 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:55.520 again my own observation, Apple's audience has a hard time 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:58.560 latching onto like whatever that like in between models, whether 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.240 it's the Plus or the Mini Air, it seems like 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:02.880 it's hard for them to generate demand. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.200 It does kind of feel like a weird if I wonder. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.960 I hope, because the whole thing. It feels like I 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.720 didn't think of it as an in between as well, 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:13.040 because you're right, it feels like they would naturally try 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.199 and make the main ones this thing, because that's the 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.000 whole reason I like it. It feels like a smaller It 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:19.760 feels like an in between between an iPad madia and 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.040 an iPad. But I love I love the iPad Pro. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.360 I love having a very thin device, and every phone's 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.640 getting fatter. It feels like, yeah. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.960 And I think we're at the point also where people 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:34.240 aren't super wowed by how thin technology can get because 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.160 we've been there for a while. So I don't think 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:40.040 this premise of an iPhone Air really hit the same 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.040 way the iPad Air did the way the MacBook Air did, 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:44.839 And I think it's just kind of for that reason 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.040 that we're desensitized to it. And I think Apple shoppers 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.600 tend to fall into two categories. Either I had an 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:53.920 iPhone for years and I'm not even thinking about what 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:55.679 phone I have. I'm just going to get the next 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.440 iPhone whenever my current one dies. And then you have 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.280 the people that do get except about new iPhones, and 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:03.960 those people do care about things like maybe not having 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.040 an extra camera or you know, the best battery life 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:08.120 or whatever. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.280 It's source of the camera's pretty bad. It's I've gotten 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:12.920 around it, but yeah, it sucks. 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.040 Yeah, it's I mean like I'm not I'm the person 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.600 that takes casual photos all the time, and I think 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.760 the camera's fine. I haven't been blown away by it 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.200 in my own just you know, usage here and there. 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.720 It does feel like we're approaching peak phone, though. 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.920 Oh I feel like we've been there for a while. 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:33.400 Like the iPhone seventeen, PROMACX whatever, it's just it's the 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.240 same phone exactly. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.640 I feel like we've been at peak phone for a while. 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:39.720 And I do feel like that's part of what Apple's 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:41.960 trying to do here with the iPhone, airs show that 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.920 it can make something that's different, that's unexpected, that's not 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:46.880 just the same phone repackaged, and then. 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.360 People hate it so now that now they don't know 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:49.800 what to do. 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.800 I do feel like, and this is a common argument, 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.240 but I do feel like it's a step towards a foldable. 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.800 iPhone, at least in my what I want. The technology 0:12:58.840 --> 0:12:59.320 needs to be. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.040 They need to engineer the phone differently for it to 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.440 be foldable. It's not just about the crease and all that, 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.959 but you have to think about the battery, the components 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.079 and that, Like engineering wise, that was a big step 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:10.200 forward with the iPhone error. 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.120 I have to wonder as well if the reason they've 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:17.160 jumped on the foldables is they're still very experimental Jerry 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:20.240 Riggs everything. There was someone who did a review of 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.160 a foldable and they made it like one of the 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.360 Google ones that set on fire, and it just from 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.600 like bending it too much. It's like, if we're still there, 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:29.880 Apple doesn't want to touch this with a fifty foot pall. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.679 Yeah, I feel like foldables have gotten really good. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.640 I feel like Samsungs in particular, like because they have 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.280 been doing this for so long, it's finally gotten to 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.760 the point where the fold feels like a regular phone 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.560 and that's really cool. But I do feel like it's 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.080 still a subset of the phone market. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:48.320 Most people just want a new phone. 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.240 But I agree, I feel like the minute there is 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.120 a foldable iPhone, I'm going to buy one, mostly out 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.240 of curiosity, but also because I really do enjoy using 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.200 foldable phones and it does make the experience feel a 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.559 little different. And this like the iPhone Air to me 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:03.360 as soon as I picked it up, I was like, 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.560 this just feels like a z flip that doesn't fold 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:10.080 in half the shape the Galaxy Oh yeah, that's like 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.040 the Galaxy flip phone one. 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:13.920 And then of course Motorola has one as well. 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:17.960 Yeah, I know Michael Fisher missed Mauvel himself loves those things, 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.720 and that's like the trifold ones as well. I love 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.840 these crazy Chinese phones where it's like three giant things 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:26.400 that you unfold probably breaks me. 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:28.160 Just announced there was like last night. 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:32.200 Yeah, yes, I want more weird phone me too. 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:33.560 I want phones to be weird again. 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.000 I had a Microsoft Kin back in the day, like 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:37.480 the Samsung Juke. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:38.600 I had all these weird phones. 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.000 Tell me about what what is the Microsoft Kin? I 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:42.880 remember the name, but I don't remember what it was. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:44.880 So this was and this was like way before I 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:46.880 was writing about phones. I was just like, this thing's weird. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.120 I want it. It was their social media phone. 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:50.840 Oh my god. 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:55.280 Yeah, so like your front screen now look at it. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.200 Yes, that was like peak weird phone. 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.280 It like had this cover screen that would look like 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.600 your Facebook and then you would open it up and 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.560 there would be a keyboard on the inside. Yeah. 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.720 I had the second generation one, so that one looked 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:06.240 a little bit. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.840 More like every one that looks like an egg. 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.240 No, not the egg one, the other one that yeah 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:10.720 that first time. 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.200 Yeah, they so they had one one that looked like 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.680 a palm pre it looks like, and then one that 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.440 kind of looked like a normal phone twenty ten as well. Yeah, 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.000 what a what a classic twenty ten decision? 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.720 Exactly. I loved it. I thought it was so cool, 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.080 but it was so glitchy. And that's why I ended 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:28.960 up getting rid of it. 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:32.160 Was that, like the operating system just crashed one day 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.240 and I just couldn't use it anymore. And this is 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.040 before I really knew how to like troubleshoot things, and 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.560 before I was really even interested in technology, and I 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.920 just got it. I think at that point I finally 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.600 switched to a smartphone. But yeah, I mean phones were 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.440 weird back then and it was really cool and I 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:49.760 kind of missed that. But I feel like foldable phones, 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:51.720 to your point, are filling that void because if you 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.600 look at the common thread between weird phones is that 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.040 they're all trying to be some kind of like hybrid device. Yeah, 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.160 like those phones of the twenty tens were like, oh, 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.480 you still kind of want to use your keyboard, but 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.480 you also want something that feels like a smartphone. 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.520 And you know, my favorite was so I definitely the 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.000 BlackBerry Storm. I don't know if you remember that as 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.080 far as there was that weird generation when everyone was 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:16.160 just trying something weird and there was this horrible, horrible 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.560 BlackBerry where it was like haptic but it just felt 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.600 like pressing into fudge. Yeah, so cool. But I just 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:27.840 looked this up Samsung Juke What the looked like a 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:28.680 key ring. 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.800 Yeah, it was supposed to be like an MP three 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.360 player slash phone. It was weird, but also it came 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.640 out at the point where you could already store your 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:39.680 music on a regular phone. But I don't know, I 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.440 thought it was cool and weird and it was so tiny. 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.000 Yeah, it was so kind. 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:45.680 Of love how small it is. It looks like a 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.920 chocolate bar. Yeah, yeah, it like swings open. I I 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.640 miss when we were doing weird shit with Fun. There 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:53.880 was that weird there were. 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:55.960 Just everyone Everything just looks like this now. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.120 Yeah everything's a brick, yes, And it's a shame. It 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.440 feels like everything is just kind of normalizing around it 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.040 when we need more weird shit. But I guess we've 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.560 now seen what happens when you're actually, no, the iPhone 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.160 at wasn't weird enough. That's the problem exactly. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.600 I think that that's you know, when I talk about 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.920 those like in between phones, and I think what makes 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.560 it hard to kind of really create a lot of 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.360