1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Also media. 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: Enter the twisted mind of ed Zitron. This is better offline. 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 3: That's right. 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: We're here in New York City, New York State, and 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: we've got a great guest, Lisa Atichico from CNN. Thank 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: you so much for joining us, Lisa on this horrible 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: wet day, truly truly one of the ugliest days in 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: New York history. But nevertheless, we're going to talk about 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: consumer tech to then and everyone says, oh, Ed, you've 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: got to be nicey, you've got to be like things more. 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: But what's a gadget you've actually liked this year? Like, 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 2: what's what's the stuff you've been enjoying? 13 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's it's kind of funny because I feel 14 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 4: like when I think about gadgets, I think about them 15 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 4: two ways. There's one like the gadgets I would actually 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 4: buy and that I actually use every day, and then 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 4: two the ones that are I think interesting for what 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 4: they say about the industry or that have been fun 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 4: to write about and fun to cover, and for the 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 4: things that I have enjoyed using this year. 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: I would say it's a lot of the. 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 4: Things you'd expect, like the Nintendo Switch to is a 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 4: fun one. This year, the new Apple Watch, because I'm 24 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 4: a big Apple Watch user, things like that, And then 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 4: there's the other category of things that I think have 26 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 4: been really fun to write about, and for that, I 27 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 4: would say the Galaxy x are definitely stands out. 28 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: So what is the Galaxy So that's the Vision prone too, right, Yes, 29 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: So how comfortable is it? Stop there? 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 4: I would say, I mean, none of these things are 31 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 4: super comfortable, to be honest. It's still this thing that's 32 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 4: bigger than a pair of glasses, bigger than something you're 33 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 4: used to wearing on your face, so it's always going 34 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 4: to be a little bit uncomfortable. I do think the 35 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 4: Galaxy XR was like very easy to adjust and get 36 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 4: to fit correctly for me. I feel like a lot 37 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 4: of these headsets usually are a little too big for 38 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 4: me or might like fall off my head. 39 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: The Vision Crow I have a giant Bonce, giant giant 40 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: head and that thing. Try to get that thing on 41 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: was like balancing a cup of tea on. 42 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: My head exactly. It's never it's never that comfortable. It's 43 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: kind of weird. Yeah, I do feel like it was 44 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: easy to adjust. 45 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 4: It wasn't the most comfortable thing to wear, but I only, 46 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 4: and I only wore it for like maybe about twenty 47 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 4: minutes at a time, So I do feel like wearing 48 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 4: it for extended use cases, the kinds of things that 49 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 4: Samsung and Google think you'll use it for, like productivity 50 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 4: and entertainment. I think that's I don't know how comfortable 51 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 4: it would be to wear it for, like, you know, 52 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 4: if I'm working on a project or watching a movie 53 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: or something. 54 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: To say, you wouldn't do like your actual work inside it, I. 55 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: Would try it. 56 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 4: I think it would just take some time to get 57 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 4: used to, you know, wearing that thing for like an 58 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 4: hour or longer. 59 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: Because as like a vision pro truth and I think 60 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: I mentioned this in person previously, but I can't use 61 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: my vision pro right now. I can use it, but 62 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: I can't update it unless you keep it on your 63 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 2: head during the update, which is one of the most 64 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 2: insane ideas ever. But I genuinely like that. When I 65 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: was trying it, I was so tall because eighty five 66 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: percent of the time, I fucking hate it. I just 67 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: I really I was just like mad at it because 68 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 2: like it would something would like my cat would brush 69 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: my head and that it would be out of focus. 70 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: But there were these times on getting it and be like, 71 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: this is actually really cool. I'm like writing, I wrote 72 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: a whole thing on it, like it was back in 73 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: the earlier days of the show. I was like, I 74 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: really like, this's got some music in the background. And 75 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: then again like Babu my cat would knock me in 76 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: the head because he's very affectionate cat to do now 77 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: he's a lovely affectionate cat, massive part of the show. 78 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 2: And then I'd need to readjust it and then I 79 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: would start to get a headache. Did you did you 80 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: find that the software was good on the Galaxy one? 81 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: Like how was it in comparison? 82 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, So there's a couple of big things that stand 83 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 4: out to me. I think the Gemini integration is really good, 84 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 4: and it should be because that's the one thing that 85 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 4: Google and Samsung are kind of pitching as setting this 86 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 4: apart from the Vision Pro and previous attempts at mixed 87 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 4: reality and VR, but the idea that you can just 88 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 4: look at something and ask a question about it. Like 89 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 4: in my demo from October, I was looking at photos 90 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 4: and Google photos, and yes, it's cool that you can 91 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 4: look at them on a giant screen and everything, But 92 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 4: for me, what felt like the new thing that this 93 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 4: is bringing to the table is being able to look 94 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 4: at that photo and be like, oh, where in the 95 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: world those types of trees usually grow and can like 96 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 4: that combination of like knowing what you're looking at without 97 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 4: having to really specify. I do think the vision Pro 98 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 4: is better at certain things like media for example, right, 99 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 4: I mean some of the like spatial videos that have 100 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 4: been created for the vision Pro are. 101 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: Just like breathtaking when you look at them. 102 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,559 Speaker 4: But I don't I don't know that I would buy 103 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 4: a vision Pro for that reason, but it is very impressive. 104 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: It is the thing like even with both of them, 105 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: they have the same problem where it's like this is 106 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: a cool idea, like oh, I know where that tree 107 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: is now, like great, but it's like practically within my 108 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: life when am I sitting down being like when where's 109 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: that tree from? Like where is the Yeah, where's the 110 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: practical uses in With the vision Pro, it's like great, 111 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 2: I can put this on my head and walk around 112 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: with it. I can kind of see who is this for? 113 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the big question. 114 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 4: And I feel like that's kind of at least for 115 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 4: me when I try to look at Okay, what new 116 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 4: products have been successful and did actually start a category 117 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 4: and catch on with consumers, and. 118 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: Which ones haven't. 119 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 4: And the thing that I've kind of noticed is the 120 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 4: ones I haven't or when you really try to kind 121 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 4: of force a user behavior that isn't there. And sometimes 122 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 4: I feel like that's what's happening with these headsets, is 123 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 4: that the technology is very, very cool, it's very advanced, 124 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 4: but it always feels like it's a step towards something 125 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 4: more natural that we haven't gotten to yet. And you 126 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 4: could say that about the Oculis Drift that came out 127 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 4: more than ten years ago. In some cases, even the 128 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 4: headsets today. I still feel that way about. 129 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: And the Steam. Have you seen the Steam frame? We 130 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: just add the valve. 131 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: I haven't tried it. I've seen I don't think. 132 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: I don't. I think I just had stay from games. 133 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: Next is on and he tried it a bit. But 134 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: it's with all these things, it's like I wish that 135 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 2: have waited four years. Yeah, I wish that wait because 136 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: there are those moments like you mentioned with the special video, 137 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: where it's like, holy shit, like this is actually really cool. 138 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: Like I watched like a basketball game on the Vision 139 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: promo I'm like, this is this is actually. 140 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: Hard until you try it right. 141 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 4: And that's the things I don't feel like that many 142 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 4: people are gonna have the opportunity to really try it 143 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 4: at length, to work it into their lives. But yeah, 144 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 4: the idea of like, oh my god, it really does 145 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 4: feel like I'm sitting courtside right, Yeah, that's very cool. 146 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: And the other thing is that even if it's just 147 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: a big TV, that is cool. The problem is is 148 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: you can just sit down and watch a television. He 149 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 2: just turned the bloody thing on. I have. I have 150 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: this Nebular X one projector, which I fucking like. It's 151 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: like Anchor, It's so good soundpoll now, and I just 152 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: got like a nice screen I pull up and that 153 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 2: just even that it's like two or three minutes to 154 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: diddling around. But I now have one hundred inch screen 155 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: in my apartment. That's so much less work than the 156 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: vision Pro because the vision pro is like constant maintenance, 157 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: and I feel like if they waited, I don't know, 158 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: it may in case a friend of the show, he 159 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 2: suggests that this will just never happen. I honestly don't 160 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: necessarily know if I disagree with him on this one, 161 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: but it's like, I really hope it does. If it 162 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 2: was just something like maybe out no, like a hat 163 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: that just worked, that would be cool. But we're like, no, 164 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: not even. 165 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: Close right exactly. 166 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 4: And I think that's kind of why a lot of 167 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 4: these companies are kind of working towards these smart glasses instead. 168 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: Because they are natural. 169 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 4: They do feel like something you would wear, whether there 170 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 4: was tech in them or not. But again, I feel 171 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 4: like convincing people that this is something that's actually going 172 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 4: to be more convenient might be difficult. 173 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: Although I don't know. 174 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 4: I mean, people who wear glasses might say, hey, I 175 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 4: need new glasses anyway, and that looks cool. 176 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll try it. 177 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: The thing is with the smart glasses is I just 178 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: have to wonder about the social problem because I know 179 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: if one of my friends other than like Victoria Suga, 180 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: came on wearing them, if someone was wearing them when 181 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: I was like at a bar, I wouldn't want to 182 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: look at them. I have to wonder how most people 183 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: would feel about that. 184 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 4: I think there's that that's an important part. I also 185 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 4: feel like the interaction element is going to be weird 186 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 4: socially because you're out, let's say, we're sitting here talking 187 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 4: or we're at a cafe and we're talking about something 188 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, let me go look that up 189 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 4: on my phone. If instead I were to say, I 190 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 4: can just ask gem and I in my glasses. 191 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 2: We're just staring dead eye right exactly. Well that Victoria's 192 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: some from the virtual Tradition was showing, It's like when 193 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: you're looking, it is this weird kind of dead eye, 194 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: this dead eyed step, because you're just your eye is 195 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: staring at the corner. And I just wonder, like, as 196 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: cool as it is, what's the point of the smart 197 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: glasses as well? Like I can I see the Vision 198 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: pro as a more and even the Galaxy one as 199 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: a more fundamentally sound idea than the glasses, because at 200 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: some point it's like, okay, if I'm wearing glasses, like 201 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: I need guidance where I'm going, I guess that's useful, 202 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: But like, am I just putting this on versus Okay, 203 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 2: I'll put on a helmet and watch a sports game. 204 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 4: I think the way that icy glasses, if they do 205 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 4: take off, the reason why I would almost think of 206 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 4: them as like kind of like the way you think 207 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 4: of AirPods and wireless earbuds like some that's on you. 208 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 4: You can use it to listen to music, to take 209 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 4: calls as you're walking, and then it also has that 210 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 4: optional displays you can, you know, see where you're going 211 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 4: or look at directions or whatever you might want to 212 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 4: look at, like the time whatever. So kind of like 213 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 4: bridging together like what you would use a smart watch 214 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 4: for and what you would use wireless ear buds for. 215 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that, and I just wonder as well, 216 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: will Apple even bother will Google even like actually, if 217 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: Google does it again, I have to respect them. After 218 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: the whole Google Glass debacle, are they still around Google Glass? 219 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 2: I want, I can't remember. 220 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: I don't know where the latest on Google Glass stands. 221 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 4: I don't think they are. I know they kind of 222 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 4: pivoted to enterprise. 223 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I wasn't That's why I wasn't sure 224 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: if they'd done away, because I know Microsoft is basically 225 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: killed HoloLens, but they have a very small enterprise division. Yeah. 226 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 4: I mean at this point with I feel like I 227 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 4: don't know for sure. I can't speak for Google, but 228 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 4: it would make sense for them to I feel like 229 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 4: focus more on Android x are and the future of 230 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 4: that platform at this point, well, for me, take. 231 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: It a slight change. The one thing I will say 232 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: is this is an unpopular opinion. That can have my 233 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: house for this one. I love the iPhone AS and 234 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: I heard that they're delaying the next one to like 235 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: twenty thirty seven. I'm very disapoint I'm very upset by this. 236 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: I love the iPhone A. 237 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: I do like it to me for it, no, I 238 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: think it's a good phone. 239 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 4: And for Apple, I feel like they don't you know, 240 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 4: that's all they need is a good iPhone. 241 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: People will buy it right. 242 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 4: It doesn't have to reinvent the wheel every single time 243 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 4: they come out with a new phone. I do think 244 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 4: where Apple can struggle sometimes is when you have these 245 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 4: in between models that are like not too different in 246 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 4: price from whatever. The cheapest iPhone and the most expensive 247 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 4: iPhone is like that. For whatever reason, this is just 248 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: again my own observation, Apple's audience has a hard time 249 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 4: latching onto like whatever that like in between models, whether 250 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 4: it's the Plus or the Mini Air, it seems like 251 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 4: it's hard for them to generate demand. 252 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 2: It does kind of feel like a weird if I wonder. 253 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: I hope, because the whole thing. It feels like I 254 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: didn't think of it as an in between as well, 255 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: because you're right, it feels like they would naturally try 256 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 2: and make the main ones this thing, because that's the 257 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: whole reason I like it. It feels like a smaller It 258 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: feels like an in between between an iPad madia and 259 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: an iPad. But I love I love the iPad Pro. 260 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: I love having a very thin device, and every phone's 261 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: getting fatter. It feels like, yeah. 262 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 4: And I think we're at the point also where people 263 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 4: aren't super wowed by how thin technology can get because 264 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 4: we've been there for a while. So I don't think 265 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 4: this premise of an iPhone Air really hit the same 266 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 4: way the iPad Air did the way the MacBook Air did, 267 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 4: And I think it's just kind of for that reason 268 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 4: that we're desensitized to it. And I think Apple shoppers 269 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 4: tend to fall into two categories. Either I had an 270 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 4: iPhone for years and I'm not even thinking about what 271 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 4: phone I have. I'm just going to get the next 272 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 4: iPhone whenever my current one dies. And then you have 273 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 4: the people that do get except about new iPhones, and 274 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 4: those people do care about things like maybe not having 275 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 4: an extra camera or you know, the best battery life 276 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 4: or whatever. 277 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: It's source of the camera's pretty bad. It's I've gotten 278 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: around it, but yeah, it sucks. 279 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean like I'm not I'm the person 280 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 4: that takes casual photos all the time, and I think 281 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 4: the camera's fine. I haven't been blown away by it 282 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 4: in my own just you know, usage here and there. 283 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: It does feel like we're approaching peak phone, though. 284 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: Oh I feel like we've been there for a while. 285 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: Like the iPhone seventeen, PROMACX whatever, it's just it's the 286 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: same phone exactly. 287 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 4: I feel like we've been at peak phone for a while. 288 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 4: And I do feel like that's part of what Apple's 289 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 4: trying to do here with the iPhone, airs show that 290 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 4: it can make something that's different, that's unexpected, that's not 291 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 4: just the same phone repackaged, and then. 292 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: People hate it so now that now they don't know 293 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: what to do. 294 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 4: I do feel like, and this is a common argument, 295 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 4: but I do feel like it's a step towards a foldable. 296 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: iPhone, at least in my what I want. The technology 297 00:12:58,840 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: needs to be. 298 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 4: They need to engineer the phone differently for it to 299 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 4: be foldable. It's not just about the crease and all that, 300 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 4: but you have to think about the battery, the components 301 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 4: and that, Like engineering wise, that was a big step 302 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 4: forward with the iPhone error. 303 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: I have to wonder as well if the reason they've 304 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: jumped on the foldables is they're still very experimental Jerry 305 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: Riggs everything. There was someone who did a review of 306 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: a foldable and they made it like one of the 307 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: Google ones that set on fire, and it just from 308 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: like bending it too much. It's like, if we're still there, 309 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: Apple doesn't want to touch this with a fifty foot pall. 310 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like foldables have gotten really good. 311 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 4: I feel like Samsungs in particular, like because they have 312 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 4: been doing this for so long, it's finally gotten to 313 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 4: the point where the fold feels like a regular phone 314 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 4: and that's really cool. But I do feel like it's 315 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 4: still a subset of the phone market. 316 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: Most people just want a new phone. 317 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 4: But I agree, I feel like the minute there is 318 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 4: a foldable iPhone, I'm going to buy one, mostly out 319 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 4: of curiosity, but also because I really do enjoy using 320 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 4: foldable phones and it does make the experience feel a 321 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 4: little different. And this like the iPhone Air to me 322 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 4: as soon as I picked it up, I was like, 323 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 4: this just feels like a z flip that doesn't fold 324 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 4: in half the shape the Galaxy Oh yeah, that's like 325 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 4: the Galaxy flip phone one. 326 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: And then of course Motorola has one as well. 327 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know Michael Fisher missed Mauvel himself loves those things, 328 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: and that's like the trifold ones as well. I love 329 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: these crazy Chinese phones where it's like three giant things 330 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: that you unfold probably breaks me. 331 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: Just announced there was like last night. 332 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I want more weird phone me too. 333 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: I want phones to be weird again. 334 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 4: I had a Microsoft Kin back in the day, like 335 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 4: the Samsung Juke. 336 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: I had all these weird phones. 337 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: Tell me about what what is the Microsoft Kin? I 338 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: remember the name, but I don't remember what it was. 339 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 4: So this was and this was like way before I 340 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 4: was writing about phones. I was just like, this thing's weird. 341 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 4: I want it. It was their social media phone. 342 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 343 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, so like your front screen now look at it. 344 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: Yes, that was like peak weird phone. 345 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 4: It like had this cover screen that would look like 346 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 4: your Facebook and then you would open it up and 347 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 4: there would be a keyboard on the inside. Yeah. 348 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: I had the second generation one, so that one looked 349 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: a little bit. 350 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 2: More like every one that looks like an egg. 351 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: No, not the egg one, the other one that yeah 352 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: that first time. 353 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, they so they had one one that looked like 354 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: a palm pre it looks like, and then one that 355 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: kind of looked like a normal phone twenty ten as well. Yeah, 356 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: what a what a classic twenty ten decision? 357 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: Exactly. I loved it. I thought it was so cool, 358 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: but it was so glitchy. And that's why I ended 359 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: up getting rid of it. 360 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 4: Was that, like the operating system just crashed one day 361 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 4: and I just couldn't use it anymore. And this is 362 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 4: before I really knew how to like troubleshoot things, and 363 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 4: before I was really even interested in technology, and I 364 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 4: just got it. I think at that point I finally 365 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 4: switched to a smartphone. But yeah, I mean phones were 366 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 4: weird back then and it was really cool and I 367 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 4: kind of missed that. But I feel like foldable phones, 368 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 4: to your point, are filling that void because if you 369 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 4: look at the common thread between weird phones is that 370 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 4: they're all trying to be some kind of like hybrid device. Yeah, 371 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 4: like those phones of the twenty tens were like, oh, 372 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 4: you still kind of want to use your keyboard, but 373 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 4: you also want something that feels like a smartphone. 374 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: And you know, my favorite was so I definitely the 375 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: BlackBerry Storm. I don't know if you remember that as 376 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: far as there was that weird generation when everyone was 377 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: just trying something weird and there was this horrible, horrible 378 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 2: BlackBerry where it was like haptic but it just felt 379 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: like pressing into fudge. Yeah, so cool. But I just 380 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: looked this up Samsung Juke What the looked like a 381 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: key ring. 382 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was supposed to be like an MP three 383 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 4: player slash phone. It was weird, but also it came 384 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 4: out at the point where you could already store your 385 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 4: music on a regular phone. But I don't know, I 386 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 4: thought it was cool and weird and it was so tiny. 387 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so kind. 388 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: Of love how small it is. It looks like a 389 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: chocolate bar. Yeah, yeah, it like swings open. I I 390 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 2: miss when we were doing weird shit with Fun. There 391 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: was that weird there were. 392 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: Just everyone Everything just looks like this now. 393 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah everything's a brick, yes, And it's a shame. It 394 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: feels like everything is just kind of normalizing around it 395 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: when we need more weird shit. But I guess we've 396 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: now seen what happens when you're actually, no, the iPhone 397 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 2: at wasn't weird enough. That's the problem exactly. 398 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 4: I think that that's you know, when I talk about 399 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 4: those like in between phones, and I think what makes 400 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 4: it hard to kind of really create a lot of 401 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 4: demand for those phones is that they're not different enough. 402 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: They're just in between, and they're not that different in price. 403 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 4: And I think that's you know, a big part of 404 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 4: what can make it difficult to kind of sell somebody 405 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 4: on that it's not that much less expensive than the Pro, 406 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 4: but it's thinner, so like do you it's and. 407 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: Also there's still like one thousand dollars. These are not. 408 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: Cheap, No, not at all. 409 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 4: No, it's meant to be like a Pro that's thinner, 410 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 4: I think, except you know, hardware is different obviously, and 411 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 4: it's pretty fast. 412 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: I like it a lot. It's just I'm annoyed because 413 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: the camera is it's just shit enough. It's not that 414 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 2: it's bad, it's like just a little bit worse. Like 415 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: it can't really zoom. You have to digital zoom. 416 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't have a lot of zoom even digitally, 417 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 4: it doesn't zoom in that far. 418 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird how little has happened with Apple in 419 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: the last year as well, because they tried the Vision 420 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: Pro and then they just went, uh. 421 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 422 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: I don't know. 423 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: I feel like the Vision Pro is one of those 424 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 4: things that it's gonna I don't know. I feel like 425 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 4: people were expecting it for a long time. The expectations 426 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 4: were really high, and I think for Apple there especially 427 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 4: high because they have this history of creating not necessarily 428 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 4: being the first, but being the first to get people 429 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 4: excited about a new category and show yeah yeah, and 430 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 4: like show how this should be done, like with the 431 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 4: smart watch, Like the Apple Watch was not the first 432 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 4: smart watch by any means, but it. 433 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: Was the first one that got kind of popular or 434 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: popular enough. 435 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: And they were smart enough to treat as a fashion item, which. 436 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 4: Right, although that's not what it is at all now 437 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 4: and it's so funny to see how that's not that 438 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 4: they don't hear. 439 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 2: Yes, the Multure was like a Vanity Vogue spread and 440 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: they were really there was a ten thousand dollars Amaze one. 441 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: Yes, Oh my god, I repect that. 442 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 2: But I love that they tried that and they just 443 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: walked away, just like, yeah, that's the sports thing now. 444 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 4: And that's the thing is like, when you create a 445 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 4: new category, it's really hard to predict to what people 446 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 4: are actually going to use it for or what they're 447 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 4: going to gravitate towards. 448 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: I think they were doing it just for the marketing. 449 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: I think it was literally just to get people to 450 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: write about it. 451 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: But also smart watches were so ugly back then. 452 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 4: That's the other thing, is that the reason why there 453 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 4: was the Pebble which I loved so much. Honestly, it looked, yes, 454 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 4: they are back, you know. The original Pebble watch didn't 455 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 4: look like anything special, but it was like yeah, yeah, 456 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 4: it was. 457 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: Like funky and weird. 458 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 4: It was like had a monochrome display and I just 459 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 4: loved And it's funny because I'm not usually this person 460 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 4: like that cares about customizing things. But you could customize 461 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 4: the watch face to be like literally anything you want 462 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 4: and talk about like weird gadgets like I feel like 463 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 4: that was also like not weird, but they had such 464 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 4: a fun community around it that would develop all these 465 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 4: custom watch faces and things like that, and it was 466 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 4: just really it was a cool little device. 467 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 2: I feel like that era was great. I realized there 468 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: was a lot of fraud on Indiegogo and Kickstarter, but 469 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: there was also just weird shit. And now that's all 470 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 2: in China. Yeah, it's just GP you play with any 471 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: GPD stuff You ever seen them? No, they just make 472 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: gaming PCs, but the handhelds and they all cost they 473 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 2: have one. It's cool, but it's also your like, you 474 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: wacky sons of bitch. They're doing a handheld one where 475 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: you have an external battery. It's just like, sure, why not, 476 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: It's at that point why not? And they always make 477 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: four million dollars on Kickstarter. I hope all of that 478 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: money is not from criminal enterprises, and not suggesting it is, 479 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 2: but every time. But it's just I wish that there 480 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: was I'm sure that there are economic reasons. For sure. 481 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 2: Someone was to shoot me an email about this. I 482 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: wish we had more American firms willing to try share 483 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: because it's toll right now. It's boring out. 484 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's things have looked the same for a long time, 485 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 4: and you had like a brief moment in like the 486 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 4: mid twenty tens, like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, when Alexa 487 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 4: was just starting to become really popular, and then everyone thought. 488 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: The smart home was going to take off in a 489 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: way that it never did. 490 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: Wow. 491 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: That yeah, that I'm thinking about like these. 492 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 4: Different phases of like everyone's like, oh, this is gonna 493 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 4: be the next big thing after phones, and like we 494 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 4: still have not reached them. 495 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 2: Well don't you haven't it? I mean to the point 496 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 2: of everything being the same as well, it's like you 497 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: buy you buy a Google device, it's called Gemini on it. 498 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: You buy an Apple device, it's called Apple Intelligence. You 499 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: immediately turn it off. It's just everything kind of feels 500 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: and looks the same. And yeah, you watch a commercial, 501 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 2: it's just more fucking Gemini. I don't know if you 502 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: use Gemen. I still don't know why Gemini three has 503 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 2: caused so much. 504 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 4: It's the same, yeah, I mean it's like a sure, 505 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: it's like a better version of the same. 506 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: I've used it here and there. You know, I don't. 507 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 4: I use AI a lot in like my like personal 508 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 4: life or whatever, just to get things done. But it's 509 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 4: not like I don't think we're at the point yet where, 510 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 4: at least in my personal usage, I don't see that 511 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 4: much of a difference between chat, GPT and Gemini in 512 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 4: terms of what. 513 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: I use them for. 514 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 4: And I think it's that's one interesting thing I feel 515 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 4: like about AI compared to a lot of the other 516 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 4: products in our lives. Like when you have a phone 517 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 4: or a computer, you're like, okay, I'm a Mac or 518 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 4: a PC person, I'm iOS or Android. I feel like 519 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 4: with AI, people do use different models for different things. 520 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 4: I don't feel like people are loyal to just one 521 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 4: all the time. 522 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: I also think that it's the you know how I 523 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 2: feel about AI, But it's also it's not clear what 524 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: makes one different from the other, like with A I 525 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: guess that's the case with phones as well, except phones 526 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: don't just burn money every time you turn them on. 527 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: But it's it's strange because this Gemini thing has really 528 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: taken off stock market. You got people right, and you 529 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: wrote this piece about like Google is the new leader 530 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: in AI. No, it's good, but it's just like why, 531 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 2: And I think it comes down to they mostly do 532 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 2: the same. It makes me think people gonna love this. 533 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: I think that like the only company that will even 534 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 2: do llm's long term is Google, and then they'll just 535 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 2: make it. They'll pull back the prices. But it's like, no, 536 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 2: one can really explain what the difference is, and thus 537 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 2: no one actually has any brand power. 538 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 539 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 4: I think for Google it's an extension of like their 540 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 4: business model. Naturally, like people use Google Search to find 541 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 4: information and do things, and now people have started using 542 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 4: llms for that, so of course it makes sense for 543 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 4: them to do that, and they have an advantage in 544 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 4: that sense. I think Google has that advantage, right that 545 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 4: you have all these people that don't even know about 546 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 4: AI are just going to naturally start using their product 547 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 4: because it's Gemini and their models are now baked into 548 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 4: almost everything, right, AI mode, everything else, you know, Open AI. 549 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 4: I think their advantage has been that they were, you know, 550 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 4: chatchipt kind of became a household name pretty quickly, so 551 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 4: it's hard to kind of once any brand has that 552 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: kind of like has made that kind of impression, I 553 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 4: feel like it's hard to compete with that, or you know. 554 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: I feel like that's why I see so. 555 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 4: Much consolidation in the tech industry in particulars, because it's 556 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 4: really hard to be that third, right, you have like 557 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 4: one or two that are really big, and then being 558 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 4: that third is really challenging. 559 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 2: It's also there's little I feel like there's not really 560 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 2: much reward for being first with this is what or 561 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: even being the household name. You just burn a bunch 562 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,479 Speaker 2: of money. There was a story in the information that 563 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: came out this week who this will run now a 564 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 2: week after that, but where it's like open ay zone 565 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: code read because of Gemini. It's like, and you read 566 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 2: the article, it's really funny because there's a bit where 567 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: it's just like step one, make Chad GPT's ans as better, 568 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: Step two, make it able to do more, Step three 569 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: make people like it. It's like, what have you been doing? 570 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 2: What have you been doing the last six months? Honestly 571 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: that maybe what Gemini three is. It's just that they said, 572 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: I went what would make people use this more? 573 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 4: Well, what's interesting is like you have kind of the 574 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 4: opposite Like open ai and Google are in the opposite scenarios. 575 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 4: They're like the inverse of each other. Like Google is 576 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 4: already playing in so many different areas from search to 577 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 4: owns to all these other products that shopping right, all 578 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 4: of these things that we do every day online, and 579 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 4: because they have that in place already, they can just 580 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 4: kind of sprinkle AI into things as they go along. 581 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 4: Open Ai had the opposite where they had this one 582 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 4: like breakout AI service and now they're you know, kind 583 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,239 Speaker 4: of in this mode where they're like, hey, we're not 584 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 4: just this one thing, We're the next big Internet company. Right. 585 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 4: That's kind of what they're projecting based on all of 586 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 4: these areas that they're trying. 587 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: To expand into. So I think it's kind of interesting. 588 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 4: Back years ago, the New York Times had that piece 589 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 4: where Google was saying, we're in a code es GPT 590 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 4: and now open AI, according to that article, is you know, 591 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 4: facing that moment of its own. 592 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 2: I just I also think that no one knows what 593 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: to do with large language, but I just don't. I 594 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 2: think at this point, so much money's going and you 595 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 2: can't get a straight answer about out of any of 596 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,959 Speaker 2: them as to why you're using them, like in your 597 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: personal life. I imagine brainstorming stuff or like looking stuff up. 598 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: Like right, like stuff that I would probably use Google 599 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: for exactly. 600 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's like if this ends with just Google 601 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: managers to pull in the customers the open A I 602 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 2: had and then ends up probably making it putting some 603 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: of this away because it's too expensive, it's just like, 604 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: of course, if this is that actually is probably how 605 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 2: it ends with just like a large company destroying a 606 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: startup and nothing happening. I hope so the sooner the better. 607 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it is three years and we've not 608 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: really had a proper use case beyond better search. It's strange, 609 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: it's everywhere. 610 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree in that, Like I do think 611 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 4: it's moving fast in terms of like it started out, 612 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 4: you know, the shift from just being able to answer 613 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 4: simple questions to being able to like reason and whatever 614 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 4: and think of these questions more. 615 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: But to your point, that's not the use case. That's 616 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: the technology. 617 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: It's also just it's also just more search, Like it 618 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: really is just knowledge search on instead of web search, right, 619 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: And sometimes it gets it well, I'm. 620 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 4: Sure, I'm sure you've heard this term more times than 621 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 4: you would like. I even hate saying it because I 622 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 4: feel like it's become such a nonsense buzzword. 623 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: You could probably guess what I'm going to say. 624 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 4: But AI agents are supposedly going to be the next 625 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 4: step whenever this AI. 626 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 2: I love this. Well, It's funny when you go and 627 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: look at the term agent, it just means like chat. 628 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: It really does just mean chato. Oh. Even you go 629 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 2: back to twenty twenty three. That's so open a I 630 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 2: defined it, yeah, but I loved I saw the statistics 631 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: just like eleven percent it was AI agents. It's like, no, 632 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 2: it wasn't. If you're just considering AI search agent, that's 633 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 2: just search engines and that. I keep reading about these 634 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: shopping integrations as well, but I can never make them 635 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: work because I come and try, I go and try 636 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 2: the Walmart with work. I managed to make it do 637 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 2: something in Canva right, but it's like I could have 638 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 2: just done that in Canva right. 639 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 4: And that's the thing that's I think for me where 640 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 4: a lot of the skepticism comes in is that I 641 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 4: feel like we've been talking about these agents for years, 642 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 4: two points since chat gipt came out. 643 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: They're like, this is what it's going to These things 644 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: are going to go and do stuff right. 645 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 4: These things are going to do stuff for you, And 646 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 4: I do think that could be really helpful, honestly, But 647 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 4: I also have a lot of skepticism and concerns about, 648 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 4: like I don't know, handing over anything that I remotely 649 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 4: care about being done the right way to an AI agent, 650 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 4: Like I'm skeptical that people are going to trust it 651 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 4: enough to handle things well. 652 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 2: It's also it doesn't seem to be able to do 653 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 2: it is my big thing. But even when you looked 654 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 2: at like the AI browsers from like, yeah, there's was 655 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 2: a comment from perplexity in Atlas from open ai or whatever. 656 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: When you look there's like this thing of the prompt 657 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: injection attacks. I don't know if you've seen this. Yes, 658 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: I could just get with just the website. If you 659 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 2: use them on a website, the website could attack you. 660 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 2: What I love, though, is the people who are innovating 661 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: appear to just be criminals. The people who are like 662 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: actually finding AI innovations are like Cambodian pig butchering operations. 663 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 2: North I was North Korean. I heard this story the 664 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: other day from a mate where it's North Korean people 665 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 2: are using like in like hacker groups are applying to 666 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 2: and getting American jobs. Oh really use and using deep 667 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: called deep fakes for the know your customer stuff and 668 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: like it's really fucking grow. 669 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 4: Wow. 670 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 2: It's just like no, everything I read is just like, man, 671 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: there is innovation crime. Well, actually, Robert Evans of cool 672 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 2: Zone Meter in twenty twenty four said that was the 673 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: actual innovation. We're walkingto a restaurant. He said, no, that's 674 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 2: where it is. It's like fraud, massive fraud. 675 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 4: No, I mean, and I feel like anytime you have 676 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 4: a new technology, the bad guys always find a way 677 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 4: to make use of it before, you know, faster than 678 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 4: the good guys. 679 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: Do you think they are the only ones? Yeah, they're 680 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: making I will say North Korean hacker groups, I'm pretty 681 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: sure are making more profit than open Ai, which is cool. 682 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: I think that that's cool. I think I think that 683 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 2: that's the world we deserve, honestly, and I think that's 684 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: where we're heading towards. Because when you create a technology 685 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: that you're not really sure what it does, of course 686 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: somebody malign is going to use it to your own point, right, 687 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: It's like, of course they're going to find a way 688 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 2: around it. All right, As we wrap up, is there 689 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 2: anything you're actually looking forward to in the tech industry though? 690 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: Is there anything you're anything on the on the horizon? 691 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: It's okay if there isn't. 692 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 4: Honestly, there isn't really just one thing right now. I 693 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 4: feel like, you know, all of this AI stuff is 694 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 4: a little dizzying, and there's a lot of skepticism about it. 695 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 4: But I will say, as someone who's been covering this 696 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 4: industry for like a little more than ten years and 697 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 4: a lot of that just being the same, I feel 698 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 4: like it's been fun to write about something that it 699 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 4: does feel new, whether for better or for worse, it 700 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 4: is something that feels new and different. What am I 701 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 4: looking forward to? I want weird phones again, That's what 702 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to. I hope that phones get weird 703 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 4: to get. 704 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 2: I want things with hand cranks some. I mean, that's 705 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 2: the play Date console, but I mean even the Nintendo 706 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: Switch To was kind of safe. 707 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 3: It's good. 708 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 4: I like it a lot, but it's weird for Nintendo 709 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 4: to do that. I feel like like doing. 710 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: I love it. 711 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 4: No, I have like almost every Nintendo console, but yeah, 712 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 4: I feel like coming out with more of the same 713 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 4: is not usually in their playbook. But the switch was 714 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 4: so successful that they kind of had to people. Could 715 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 4: you imagine if the Switch Too was entirely different and 716 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 4: wasn't a better version of the same console. 717 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 2: I feel like I do wonder if we're going to 718 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: get a pushback on this eventually though, if people are 719 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: just gonna we need some weird shit again, that's what 720 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: That's what the energy I'm putting into the universe today. 721 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: Yes, me too. 722 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: So where do people find you? 723 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 4: You can find me on I'm on X Blue Sky 724 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 4: and threads at least said Chico, and you can also 725 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 4: find my work of course at CNN dot. 726 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 2: Com wonderful, and you can find me at Better Offline 727 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 2: dot com. 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