1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,320 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm buzznight and here at the Taking a Walk Podcast, 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: we love to occasionally share the great work of other 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: podcasters from time to time, and we also love to 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: share the tremendous work of charities doing meaningful work locally, nationally, 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: and in our global community. Check out this episode of 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 2: the Home Based Nation podcast from our friends at home 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: Base here in Boston. Led by General Jack Hammond, who's 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: been a previous guest on Taking a Walk, Doctor Ron 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: Hirshberg and their tremendous team. Home Base does amazing work 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: for veterans and their families and we urge you to 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: support them. This episode is with marine veteran dancehall and 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: reggae artist Orville Burrell otherwise known as Shaggy. 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, this is Ron Hersberg. You'r host a Home 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: Based Nation. Now, I know it's February, but around home 16 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 3: Base we're thinking about July because this is the eleventh 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 3: annual run to Home Base. This is a nine k 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: or five k run or walk and is sponsored by 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: New Balance and this is our opportunity right in the 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 3: iconic Fenway Park to honor our veterans in their military families. 21 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: Now there's two pretty cool things about this run in 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: my mind. One, all of the funds go to the 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 3: care that is provided at home Base, which is a 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: Red Sox Foundation and Massachusetts General program. And since two 25 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: thousand and nine, more than twenty seven thousand runners and 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: walkers have been involved from forty one states, and we've 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 3: been able to raise almost twenty two million dollars for 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 3: the care for post traumatic stress and traumatic brain injury 29 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: than trauma based services. Now, the second thing I want 30 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 3: to mention about this race is that it'll start right 31 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 3: at Fenway Park and the runners and walkers will go 32 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: through the streets of Boston and wind up coming through 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: the back of the outfield right near the Green Monster, 34 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: which is up at left field, And the participants will 35 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: come down the third baseline and actually finish right at 36 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: home plate. And I can tell you from personal experience 37 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: that feels great. And I bet that's the only time 38 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: most of us are going to be stepping on home plate. 39 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: The eleventh annual run actually is on July eleventh at 40 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: Fenway Park, and the registration's open now now for all 41 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: the civilians supporting this event. Remember, the early bird fundraising 42 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 3: minimum is six hundred and twenty five dollars and that 43 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: goes until February twelfth, and then it jumps to eight 44 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty dollars after February twelfth, So keep that 45 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: in mind. Go to run to home base dot org 46 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: and sign up. Okay, thanks for listening. This is a 47 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: great annual event and we hope to see you there 48 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 3: at Fenway Park. 49 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 2: This is home Based Nation's Nation. 50 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: There was a CEO one TMA says that as Christmas 51 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: is I e. I don't see color. Everybody I see 52 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: here is green. Yeah what I'm saying. 53 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, now. 54 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: That's what you gotta get that together. And I think 55 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: we could do it through music. And I try to 56 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: unite it and get it through music as much as 57 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: we can. 58 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 5: You you would have let the seed. 59 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: You're not. 60 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 5: You don't even bring men to the. 61 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: N wait to see her. 62 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: Hello everybody, and more appropriately wa guan. That's the proper 63 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: warm Jamaican greeting for today, and thank you for tuning in. 64 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: This is doctor Ron Hirschberg and that teaser of a 65 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: tune you just heard is called that Love, a to 66 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen infectious song written and performed by our guest 67 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: today Grammy winner and Marine veteran Shaggy. It's worth visiting 68 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: the music video for that song because it paints a 69 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: vivid picture of our armed forces missing their loved ones 70 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: while they're overseas. 71 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 4: It does the. 72 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: Job in giving the nod to all of our servicemen 73 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: and women who keep the love and connection alive while 74 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 3: fighting for our country. Shaggy was born Orville Richard Burrell 75 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: in Jamaica, and after moving to New York at age eighteen, 76 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: he would soon enlist in the Marines. Two years into service, 77 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: he deployed with the tenth Marine Regiment to the Persian Gulf, 78 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: and he looks back at that time in his life 79 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,119 Speaker 3: as one of the building blocks of discipline that helped 80 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 3: launch him into superstardom into the world of dancehall and 81 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: reggae music. Shaggy is a seven time nominated and two 82 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: time Grammy winner, including the twenty nineteen collaborative album forty 83 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 3: four Slash eight seven six with Sting in studio and 84 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 3: on tour, Sting and Shaggy became bonded brothers immigrants of 85 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: different forms, not unlike military squad mates, except their continued 86 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: mission is unity through song that we can all experience 87 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: just by listening to the album or visiting them at 88 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 3: their office on stage together. For Shaggy, music has been 89 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 3: a vehicle to bring different kinds of people to the 90 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 3: same experience. But after meeting him, it's not just the 91 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: music that does this, it's the spirit and grit that 92 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: undoubtedly were shaped by marine discipline and deployment. So before 93 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 3: we begin the conversation, I'll leave you with this familiar 94 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: motto sempify or in English, always loyal. This sums up 95 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: a true motto for our guests as a marine who 96 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: served overseas and as a faithful artist who continues to 97 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 3: serve all his fans across the globe. Thanks for joining 98 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 3: us for this conversation and we'll see you on the 99 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 3: other end. 100 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 4: I've known that you were a marine or marine. Thank 101 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 4: you by the way for that perspective. 102 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: And this podcast is about creation, meaning people that create 103 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: things that are going to directly or indirectly help our 104 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: troops and help the families. Yeah, your passion is music. 105 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: You know, I've heard some of the songs that you've 106 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 3: you've created that do reflect on giving back to our military, 107 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 3: that love in particular that love. 108 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's Also, there was also another song that 109 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: we did on a previous album, I think Summer in Kingston, 110 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: that I literally spoke about just how recruitment and how 111 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: it is for a kid coming out of the ghetto 112 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: and what's their only choice at times. Yeah, I don't remember. 113 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: If you meant I was at farre night ninet eleven, 114 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: then watch where you know. I think one of the 115 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: recruiters was trying to recruit somebody who was in the 116 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: hood and the kid was like, yeah, I'm at a 117 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: rap and said, well, yeah you rap it, well shaggy 118 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: he rap. He wasn't men, which really dawned in me 119 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: because I was never a model marine in in the Marines. 120 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: I came out of you know, PFC want of a 121 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: private because I was a well half the time because 122 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: I used to drive to New York, you know, back 123 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: and forth just to h to do music. And but 124 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: in that song, it really talks about, uh, just the 125 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: whole energy, you know, going into the mirror and and 126 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: some somehow while being in the military, feeling like you're 127 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: a number, you know, I mean that that family feeling 128 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: wasn't there at that time, and I think brotherhood really 129 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: forms in when you're in crisis. Because when I was 130 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: in the First Gulf War, I ended up being in 131 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: opportunity that got really closer, you know, that a battery 132 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: that was that was really tight knit because of the 133 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: situations that we were in. That's when you started. You know, 134 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: that's when everything erases, color eRASS, you know, background erases, 135 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: everything is gone because you're now in the fighting whole 136 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: garden of fifty cal in the middle of nowhere with 137 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: a guy that has nothing in common with you culturally. 138 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: You know, you might be of different races, but now 139 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to watch each other's back. I think 140 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: what needs to you know, a lot of that. It 141 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't take acts of crisis or in a situation like 142 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: that to get that camaraderie that should get from before 143 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: going in, you know what I mean. And I remember 144 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: being in the military. There's divisions. You know, there's there's clicks, 145 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: and there's you know, all of. 146 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: That within each brand, whether you're overseas. 147 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: Just see, it doesn't even even have to go to 148 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: a battalion. It could just be just in your battery, 149 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, just in your just in your squad, just 150 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: in your you know, nobody is clicking to get nobody's 151 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,599 Speaker 1: going there all clicking up because of their whether it 152 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: be ethnic backgrounds or you know, cultural background or whatever 153 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: it is. And I think those are some of the 154 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: things that needs, you know, to be addressed and pushed forward. 155 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: You know. When I came out, I ended up doing 156 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: a USO a lot of a couple of USO shows 157 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: with Wayne Newton, who at the time was ahead of it, 158 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: and we ended up going to UH Germany, which was 159 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: a really eerie concert that I had there because these 160 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: uh A lot of the veterans that were there were 161 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: war torn guys, and you know, they're partying and singing 162 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: to every song, but some of them didn't have limbs. 163 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 3: You know. 164 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that becomes a little uh tough because I think 165 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: it was a it's a hospital in Germany that we 166 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: went military, Yeah, I think it was that, and we 167 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: went there and played. I remember going to Bosnia with 168 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: me and Jessica Simpson and a whole who's slew of 169 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: artists at the time, and. 170 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 4: That was pre nine to eleven. 171 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 6: Yes, I grow the ceiling cling, find myself overwhelmed by 172 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 6: the ceiling something kneeling, spiritunic ling. 173 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 3: Yo. 174 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 5: No, when the look from when they've gone from no. 175 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 7: Money, no future, no ablums on everywhere. 176 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 8: That's a look on a last one with a mouth 177 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 8: on every you a month, man, Yo, I'll give a 178 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 8: kiss to my girlfriend. No, I got a duel right 179 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 8: by the emblem because I didn't need a few potman 180 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 8: scientists many I just. 181 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 7: Don't know when, yo, everywhere. 182 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 4: That makes me think about the. 183 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: Concept of art and how in music and the vibes 184 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 3: of music culture can bring people together in positivity. I mean, 185 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 3: tell me about that experience with you as a it's 186 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: not only a writer but a performer. 187 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: But I think you go through phases of it. You know, 188 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: when I just started doing music out of Flatbush, I 189 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: really got into music for chicks. It was, you know, 190 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: that was what I spit rhymes, I get chicks, you 191 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I wasn't even thinking about money 192 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: at the time. I just was like, all right, cool, 193 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: you know, And I did local danceall records and with 194 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: in Flatbush and really in Brooklyn. Yeah. And then and 195 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: then after when you started doing you know, mister Boombastic 196 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: and mister uh and and that girl and wasn't me 197 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: And it became this a different vibe because now I 198 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: was one of the first that's doing it on that 199 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: scale and that level. So now I felt like I 200 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to move my genre. I found myself 201 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: in that position at the time, to move the genre 202 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: into certain levels that it never had before, which was 203 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: dance all you know, and reggae. And then after that 204 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: it opened the door for people, you know, After that, 205 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 1: we had the Shawn Paul's and all of these other 206 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: acts that were huge, the waiting ones that that became huge, 207 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: and dance all as in an art form became profitable 208 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: to where record companies were starting to look at it 209 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: and all of that. So that was mine. Now that 210 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: I've gone through all of that, and and I'm older, yeah, 211 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: and I'm older. Things things that didn't bother you when 212 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: you were younger is starting to bother you now, you know, 213 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: Like whatever's on the news now, back then I didn't care, 214 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, and now it's a different time. Back then 215 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: it was easily ignored. Now you can't ignore it. It's 216 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: on your phone, you know. 217 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 4: Back then it wasn't to look to look company. 218 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, now it's it's reaching you. And then then so 219 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: you get into the political system of it, and and 220 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: everything matters and you're elected official matters, and and uh, 221 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: you start to realize a lot of things socially that 222 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: you got to get involved. And so that sets the 223 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,119 Speaker 1: tone of what is is now my recent Wuaguan album, 224 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: which really started from the four four eight seven sixth 225 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: album with Sting and I when we started, you know, 226 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: doing certain songs of a political nature, which was really 227 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: led by Sting and I just kind of got into 228 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: it after a while. And I've always said the Sting. 229 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: I said, Sting, you could say something certain things and 230 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: get away with it. I can you know what I'm saying. 231 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: We're two different shades here, bro what I'm saying, And uh, 232 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: you've said a lot though, but I've said it not 233 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: and and I did it following his lead. 234 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: And uh, well tell me about dreaming in USA, because 235 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: I think of you know, two immigrants. How did that 236 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 3: feel to create something like that that did set the 237 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: stage and and and bring to light the beauty that 238 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: can come from people that become Americans. 239 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: You just got you just got to look at the history. 240 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: My brother in history is pretty much saying it. You know, 241 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: none of us are pure. I'm a hybrid guy. I'm 242 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: a hybrid in music, I'm a hybrid in in life. 243 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm a hybrid in race. I'm a hybrid. I like mixtures. 244 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: I like going places and feeling people's culture. And you know, 245 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: there's no saying that racism mistidious. It's it's it's taught. 246 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: You're not born that way, you know what I'm saying. 247 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: And a lot of it when you think about race, 248 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: it's fear. 249 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 7: You see covies of your dream man of the US. 250 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 7: It's never easy looking for another. God bless America treatment 251 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 7: of the US. Are we stika treating of the Unitstates? 252 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: The US? Here here of not knowing? You know what 253 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like I always give a story that 254 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: I had in the military and in the fighting hole 255 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: that I was with this guy that is from Alabama 256 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: wherever the hell it was at that time, and he 257 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: did this was the first time he had ever seen 258 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: a black man is when he came to the military. Yeah, 259 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: he's associated with Yeah, and his thing is like I 260 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: saw it on TV. But he learned a lot from 261 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: me being a black man in the fighting hole with 262 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: him guarding the fifth cal and of me culturally as 263 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: a as a Caribbean person and as a black man 264 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: and then I learned a lot about him. I learned 265 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: about his his family and his I never knew there 266 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: was such a thing called tipping a cout. I was 267 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: blown away, like you what, yeh, what I'm saying? 268 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 4: How come I never made it into a song? 269 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, But we just sat there and culturally 270 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: figured it out and ended up liking each other, but 271 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: with a song like dreaming. At the time, it was 272 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: an issue that was going on when Sting and I 273 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: were in studio and we just needed to say it. 274 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: And all of that song was actually, apart from I 275 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: think my dance all part that I did it in 276 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: the end, most of it was written by Sting and 277 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: he brought it in that day and I was reading 278 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: the lyrics and he's like, I want you to sing 279 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: this this part, and he played in him and I 280 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: was like wow, and I started going through the lyrics. 281 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: I was just really like, Yo, this is dope. I 282 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: don't think I've ever done anything like this. Never. I've 283 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: never really ventured into because I've never touched on the 284 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: political side because I was always scared to be because 285 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: I've always I'm an immigrant and I'm I'm in a minority. 286 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:02,239 Speaker 4: Of music. 287 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: Right there. 288 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 5: And work and stuff. Record when we were long and. 289 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: Said we talking about discriminate, you say you're Jewish. You know, 290 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: the Jews have been discriminated for years, much like the black, 291 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: much like anywhere else. Part of that discrimination was what 292 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: fear of not knowing what your culture is. Now, the 293 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: more I go to interact with with with Jewish people 294 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: and and because. 295 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 4: There's a couple in the business and go to bar, 296 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 4: it's not But. 297 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: I don't I really have Jewish music friends. I just 298 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: have friends that are just friends. 299 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 4: Have you been bars? 300 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I played a couple and I've been really a couple. 301 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 4: I would love to see. My son just had a 302 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 4: bar miss last year. 303 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 304 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 4: You probably your rates were a little haiger than the DJ. 305 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we we went in. I used to live 306 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, you know, I've been Eastern Park where you 307 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: know where you have this city. Yeah, it's the whole. 308 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: So I've been around the whole culture of it. And 309 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: the more you get into it, the more you realize 310 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: that you know, when people look at this, oh that 311 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: is you know, they're weird or this is weird, or 312 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: that is weird, and this is this and this is that. 313 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: As you used to go and going. Now, it's all 314 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: that propaganda that builds that fair to you, and then 315 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: you start going in and realizes that these people are 316 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: no different from what the hell I do you know, 317 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: because there's so many people looking at me as Jamaica 318 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: and says, oh, man them Jamaican boys. Man, I don't 319 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: understand them, you know. Yeah, they were so many colors 320 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 1: they this day, but they're probably high right now. All 321 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: all the the statement, all the stereotypes, stereotypes and statements 322 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: that come with it. 323 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: Stay tuned, friends, Shaggy will be back in less than 324 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 3: two minutes after this message. 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And just the fact that I 363 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: got played on radios, I was the guy that was 364 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: trying to be as politically correct as possible. I was 365 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: not the guy that was trying to create any kind 366 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: of stuff. I just wanted to slide through because none 367 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: of nobody else before me was getting through and dance all. Uh, 368 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: but I was old. I was younger than and you know, 369 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: and it was probably very foolish because now thinking back 370 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: at it in hindsight, because I was at the top 371 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: of my game and I was this huge figure, I 372 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: probably should have that's the time for you to actually 373 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: say something and comment on it and get on it, 374 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: because then that that sparks conversations. 375 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 3: And well, I think it's interesting too, because it's it's 376 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 3: you know, but it was fear. We're all about the 377 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 3: same age, and it's it's relative. I mean, you're young 378 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: in a sense. I guess what I'm going with it 379 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: is that this dreaming when you recorded that, it sounds 380 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 3: like a light bulb went off or but it was 381 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 3: something important, It was important something I don't know, if 382 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 3: what do you feel like you're gonna run with that more? 383 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: But listen, of course we're going to probably do mostly 384 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: And this album that I did, walk Wan had more 385 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: of more social than than than even political. Yeah, it's 386 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: more personal and more personal. But the point I'm trying 387 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: to is why I'm feeling a little bit sad about that, 388 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: or or or regretful if I could, for the lack 389 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: of a better word, is when you're at you're young, 390 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: when you're young, at your prime, the future of the 391 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: country is not old guys, whether it be white, black, whatever, 392 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: it's not old. It's young people. And when these young 393 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: people find themselves in the position of power like I 394 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: was when I had hotshot and I was on top 395 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: of the world, use it, you know, now me doing 396 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: it at this age, after things you know, calmed on, 397 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: it's like it's easy for these kids to hear you 398 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: rant about you know, immigration and all theirs and say, yeah, 399 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: that's just the old miserable white black guy or just 400 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: the old yeah, the miserable old guy. You know what 401 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying, It's easy for kids to just look at ye, 402 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: he's just old. That's why he's bitching about you. Because really, 403 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: when you were younger and you hear your mom bitch 404 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: about you know, she's just old. You know people, you 405 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: don't want to get to that point. And I mean 406 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: where you've us as cool, you know, I mean? I 407 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: saw jay Z put a record out was at four 408 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: for forgot what the name of the album was, and 409 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: I listened in it. There was so much knowledge in it, 410 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: and most of the kids I knew that were young kids. 411 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: There was like, I an't nobody want to hear that 412 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: ship he's as old. But what he was saying was 413 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: so knowledgeable to their future going by, but they was 414 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: just too young to get it. They're rat to being 415 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: in the club listening to megos talk about jewelry and 416 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: chicks and ass and you know what I mean, And 417 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: it's it's you know and what what? Which is good? 418 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: Now that you have people like j Cole and people 419 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: like Kendrick who are young people different exactly that feature 420 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: messages and and I just kind of wish at the 421 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: time that I I if anything, I could have done 422 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: that because I find myself doing it so well. But 423 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: I was in a position that I didn't have a movement. 424 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: You see. The good thing about j Cole and Kendrick 425 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: is that they're in a genre that is a movement 426 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: of this time. Rap is now the pop music, it's 427 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,239 Speaker 1: now mainstream music. You know. At the time when I 428 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: was doing I'm Dance All and it's on the ground 429 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: and I'm the only guy these the one and only 430 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: guy that's getting on radio. So the pressure was on 431 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: at that point. And then I had management at the 432 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: time that really didn't know what the hell to make 433 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: of it because hits well, but they didn't know what. 434 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: They didn't know how to you know, they got beat 435 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: up by record company peoples and lawyers and all that 436 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: because they just weren't experienced. You know, there were young 437 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: guys that was in the street with me that's so weed, 438 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, like like they knew what the hell was 439 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, they you know, they got a contract in 440 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: even know what was on that damn thing, you know 441 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: what I mean. So we were just it was time 442 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: in and where we were and all of that. But 443 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: with a record like that with sting now, So I said, 444 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: Steam came into my life at a time to teach 445 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: me so many different things. And he taught me about 446 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: how to use your platform and how to you know, 447 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: address certain things things and to stand for something or 448 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: and if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything, 449 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, and really kind of opened opened my eyes 450 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: to a lot of things in the music industry and 451 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: just socially and just about humanity and people and the 452 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: earth and all of that, you know. I mean, he's 453 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 1: big on the rainforest, he's big on so many things 454 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: that we share together. 455 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 3: It's not surprising and what we've read about him, but 456 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 3: it's also it's from the heart, and it's even more 457 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 3: like it's poignant to hear it from a friend and 458 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 3: someone that's worked with him together because and that's part 459 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 3: of circling back to why we really wanted to talk 460 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 3: with you about. 461 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: What I think if we didn't see eye to eye 462 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: and a lot of things. Yeah, I don't think the 463 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: camaraderie would go forward because he's that kind of guy. 464 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: And you're touring together too, I imagine you're not just 465 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: in the studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so many conversations, conversations 466 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 3: up when you mentioned about giving back. One thing that 467 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: we're really proud about when we when we when we 468 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 3: talk about on this show, is that awareness and the 469 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,239 Speaker 3: power that someone like you has and the voice. You know, 470 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: you may get millions of streams on Spotify and you're 471 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 3: out there obviously on the radio waves. There's a potential 472 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 3: use for that as well. 473 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, and as we. 474 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 3: Love the fact that we gave back to military by 475 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 3: you know, by writing those songs and shouting out to 476 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 3: the military, I think is something that we need. 477 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: And absolutely it's really just understand point what I'm trying 478 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: to make within the military. I just think in America 479 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: in itself, we need to get to that point where 480 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: we start. As you said, we open it is a 481 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: healing process and healing together. It's not just the guys 482 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: in the military that has been traumatized with war that 483 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: needs healing. America needs healing, and I mean we need 484 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: to heal together and get together and the division needs 485 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: to stop. We're all just one people. We might have 486 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: different backgrounds and culture, but it's not nothing wrong with 487 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: learning that person's culture and being a part and dining 488 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: and sitting on people's tables. 489 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 4: And you don't have to be in a fox hole 490 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 4: for that. 491 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 3: No, you shouldn't have to be well on that note, 492 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 3: and I know you're gonna you know, you got a 493 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 3: busy night ahead. 494 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 4: The How does music help with that? 495 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: I think it helps in a big way because if 496 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: you notice now in the music business, remember rock music 497 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: used to be the major major art form, the major 498 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: music genre. Now you look at a rock a rock star, 499 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: and you look a rock star, they're the same people. 500 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: Remember rockers used to have tattoos and really wild hair 501 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: and dress really colorful and crazy, and we're like, oh, 502 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: those guys must be on drugs right to dress like that. Well, 503 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: now you look at these rappers now, yeah, look at 504 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: all these rappers. They look exact like those rock ross. 505 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: So what you've seen now you're seeing little white kids 506 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: want to be black and little black kids want to 507 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: be white. And it is flipped, you know what I mean, 508 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: you've seen that happen. Now you're seeing little white kids 509 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: loving hip hop music, and then you're going to see 510 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: a little black a bunch of black kids that starting 511 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: to figure out what the white kids are about. And 512 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: it's more interaction that's going on even countries exactly cross 513 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: country is crossing into it, right Aphabet. So the point 514 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make that's how music is not uniting 515 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: it because it's uniting through culture, and I like and 516 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: what I would love to see is a lot more 517 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: interaction with military branches and culture. You know, if there's 518 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: throwing throwing huge festivals in aid of the military with 519 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: a lot of these acts, I don't know an act 520 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: that wouldn't go in and get involved in that, you know, 521 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: and kind of mix that generation so that that division 522 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: that you're seeing doesn't infiltrate than the military itself, you 523 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. 524 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 4: Because if you're blue or red, exactly white. 525 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a CEO one time that says that 526 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: this Christmas is I I don't see color. Everybody I 527 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 1: see here is green, you know what I'm saying. I 528 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: was like, Yeah, that's what you gotta. It's a brotherhood. Yeah, 529 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta. You gotta get that together. And 530 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: I think we could do it through music. And I 531 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: tried to unite it and get it through music with 532 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: as much as we can. 533 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 3: Definitely, well cheers to that, and you know, on that note, 534 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 3: we got a little gift for you. Well, this is 535 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 3: Home Base, MGH Red Sox. I don't you know, we're 536 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 3: not preaching the Red Sox here. I don't know where 537 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 3: where your loyalty is. 538 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: You put a Red Sox hat on a on a 539 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: Yankee guy. Come on, man, you know what it is. 540 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: It's all about unity. 541 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 4: It is, you know what I mean? 542 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 1: So they can be friendly competition my brother. Yeah, so 543 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm definitely with it, all right. Hey, well, thank 544 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: you man, thanks for the interview in the chat. 545 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. 546 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 3: We'd like to thank Shaggy for joining the Home Base 547 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 3: Nation family and for your service as a US Marine 548 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 3: and the unity that you bring through music. As you know, 549 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 3: brotherhood and connection have been strong themes for this show 550 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 3: and a fundamental basis for servicemen and women who recover 551 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: together right at Home Base. In November twenty nineteen, we 552 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 3: held our annual Veterans Day Dinner at the JFK Library 553 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 3: and Museum here in Boston. It was a night to 554 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 3: honor veterans and show the camaraderie of service members and 555 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 3: their families. Michael Allard and Brigadier General Jack Hammond welcome 556 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 3: Shaggy to the stage to recognize him for his service 557 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: as a marine in the tenth Regiment in the Gulf 558 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 3: War and for some live conversation. So I pulled up 559 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 3: a chair and had the honor to talk in front 560 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 3: of a live audience together. And it's not every day 561 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 3: that you get introduced with a walkout song boombastic booming 562 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 3: over the PA. So set your calendars for next week, 563 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 3: or subscribe and join us for a bonus episode live 564 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: at the JFK Library and Museum in the meantime. To 565 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 3: get to know Shaggy a little more, see what he's 566 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 3: up to in twenty twenty, or check out his new 567 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 3: solo album Waguan. Visit Shaggy online dot com. Special thanks 568 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 3: to Tracy Buffer at Team Shaggy and Sting for all 569 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 3: your collaboration and support, and thanks to Joe Wallace for 570 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 3: your never ending photographic eye for our guests, and to 571 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 3: Chuck Klow at Above the Basement Podcast for your on 572 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 3: location sound and support. On behalf of all of us 573 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 3: at home Base. I'm doctor Ron Hrsberg. Thank you for listening. 574 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 4: And a bouts of the walk one did I get It? 575 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this special episode in the taken 576 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: a walk feed here of Home based nation with Shaggy 577 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 2: and thanks for listening to the Taking a Walk podcast.