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Speaker 1: love EMTs, I love emergency room people. They saved my

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Speaker 1: throwing it away. I'm hoping because this is going to

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Speaker 1: be the tail of the tape, Nancy, where you marry

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Speaker 1: to document this because at this point in time, look,

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Speaker 1: we can talk about all of the social impacts and

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Speaker 1: all this stuff, but now we're talking about homicide, and

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Speaker 1: this thing's going to move forward, and they're going to

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Speaker 1: prosecute this thing. And let me tell you one letter

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Speaker 1: of truth if you want to hear it. When they

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Speaker 1: put these images up on the screen of this girl's

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Speaker 1: butchered body in that morgue on the table, and they

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Speaker 1: show that image of that clothing they're holding up and

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Speaker 1: it's gotten multiple in sized injuries in it, it is

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Speaker 1: going to hit that jury in the chest like a

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Speaker 1: ten pound sledge hammer. The rarity Phil Chalmers of statistically

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Speaker 1: speaking of women, a woman committing a violent murder with

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Speaker 1: is almost unheard of. Statistically, Phil, it is there's about

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Speaker 1: five teen murders every day in this country, about twelveteen suicides.

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Speaker 1: About five Well, well, let's I want to take in

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Speaker 1: what you're saying, Phil Chalmers. I want to go back

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Speaker 1: to what you said about homicide. You say five a

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Speaker 1: day across our huge country, five a day, and I'd

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Speaker 1: be willing to bet very few of those are by girls. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: A murders of females, so so niner of the team

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Speaker 1: murders of five a day, ninety percent of those are

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Speaker 1: male purps. And if actually my assertion a female killer

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Speaker 1: of this age. Killing with a knife, which is a

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Speaker 1: whole another psychological cannon arms in a public arena, almost

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Speaker 1: unheard of. It's rare, it happens. We've had high profile

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Speaker 1: cases unless the boost to Montia, Missouri, Kenyana Jackson in Ohio.

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Speaker 1: But it is rare, and it is violent. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's one thing to shoot someone, it's another thing to

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Speaker 1: stab them. I think it's a very violent act. And

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Speaker 1: we're starting to see more of this rise in our country,

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Speaker 1: and it's troubled. This is a murder and there will

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Speaker 1: be hell to pay. Fancy Grace crime story signing off,

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,