1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for listening to the Covino and Rich podcast. 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch us live every weekday from five 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: to seven Eastern to the four. 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 3: Find your local station for Covino on Rich at Foxsports 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 3: Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on 7 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio app likee searching FSR. 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: I smell a skunk and it's not my new cologne. 9 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 4: And I know it's not Carrie Rhodes, who's always looking good. 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 4: Something is not right to the National Football League carry 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 4: welcome in Happy Tuesday. 12 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: Hey, thank you for having me. 13 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 5: Dan. 14 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: It's good to be back with you. 15 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 5: It's been a while and you know I always love 16 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 5: sharing the seats with you. 17 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: So let's let's get it. Let's get it go. 18 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 4: We get together. During the football season. You can hear 19 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 4: Carrie with Monty Belanos five Eastern, two Pacific hanging out 20 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 4: having a good time. And we're gonna have a good 21 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 4: time today here on Cavino and Rich. Jason Stewart's our 22 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 4: executive producer, Hello Everything, Fundy, Ryan Smith our technical producer 23 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 4: on the board. Oh, Isaac Low and kron Is at 24 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 4: the Newsday. Hello Isaacs. 25 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: I was like Isaac's not gonna say anything. 26 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 6: I'm not just at face. 27 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: He is much much more than that. 28 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins is much much more than that, and he 29 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 4: is something else because the Falcons quarterback in the headlines 30 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 4: today as the premiere of the new docuseriies, the second 31 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 4: season of Quarterback came out on Netflix, and Kirk Cousins 32 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 4: is all the rage on social media as he looks 33 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 4: back on his twenty twenty four season and even the 34 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 4: offseason that led him signing with the Atlanta Falcons Carry Rhodes. 35 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 4: We're gonna hear from Cousins in a bit. But when 36 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 4: you look back out of season that he tried to 37 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 4: come back from an achilles injury, battled injuries as well, 38 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 4: and was ultimately replaced by Michael Pennix Junior, I think 39 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 4: ultimately you could say it was not a successful season 40 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 4: for the veteran quarterback. 41 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 5: It was not a success for him personally except for 42 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 5: the pockets, right. He got an nice little pay ray, 43 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 5: so I think that was okay. But as far as 44 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 5: playing the way that I'm sure he wanted to, that 45 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 5: did not go the way I wanted to he wanted to. 46 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 4: And this is what Kirk Cousins had to say, because 47 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 4: Kerry is not wrong. It's always been about the pockets, 48 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 4: and it's always been about the money With Kirk Cousins. 49 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 4: Take a listen to what the Falcons quarterback had to 50 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: say from Netflix in the new Quarterback docuseries. 51 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: Wasn't expecting us to take a quarterback so high at 52 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: the time, it felt like I had been a little 53 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: bit misled, or certainly if I had the information around preegency, 54 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: it certainly would have affected my decision. I had no 55 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: reason to leave Minnesota with how much we loved it 56 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: there if both teams are going to be drafting a 57 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: quarterback high. But I've also learned in twelve years in 58 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: this league that you're not entitled anything. It's all about 59 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: being able to earn your spot and prove yourself. 60 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 4: No, he said a lot there and not to addicting 61 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 4: well and his actions, I say, would say otherwise, kirk 62 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 4: Cousins laid out. I can understand the first part, feeling misled. 63 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 4: I think we were all shocked on Draft night when 64 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 4: the Atlanta Falcons took Michael Pennox Junior with their first 65 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 4: round pick, just a month after signing Kirk Cousins to 66 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 4: a four year, one hundred and eighty million dollar contract. 67 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 5: I think the only reason I was misled in that 68 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 5: situation is because of the money, right, because if you're 69 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 5: going to invest that much into a guy, obviously he 70 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 5: is your guy, So why would you draft his replacement 71 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 5: that high. I was a little bit taken amiss by that. 72 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: I think we all were. We were expecting something different. 73 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 4: In fact, when you watch the NFL draft and you 74 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 4: watch it back and you replay that pick, that's the 75 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 4: whoa sort of moments that you say, we were not 76 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 4: expecting that. 77 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: So that part completely get from that. 78 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel that there's revisionist history in Minnesota in 79 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 4: that he's saying that we could have stayed in Minnesota. 80 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 4: It may be true to the aspect of Minnesota wanted 81 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 4: him on a one year deal, and he elluded it 82 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 4: a little bit there that both teams would be drafting high. Yes, well, 83 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 4: what's the difference then, in signing with the Atlanta Falcons 84 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 4: or staying with the Minnesota Vikings on a one year deal. 85 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 4: This is why Kirk Cousins is lying to you, is 86 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 4: because it has always been about the money. There you go, 87 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 4: it has always been about the money with Kirk Cousins, 88 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 4: And if you don't believe me, I've got a list 89 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 4: carry right here of the history of Kirk Cousins in 90 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 4: the National Football League. By the way, none of which 91 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 4: am I mad at. Get your money when you can 92 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 4: play the game, but don't try to sell me a 93 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 4: bill of goods at the other end that doesn't match 94 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 4: up with what your history has. In twenty seventeen, Kirk Cousins, 95 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 4: first quarterback in NFL history to be franchise tagged two 96 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 4: consecutive years, happened by the then Washington Football Team then 97 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 4: the Redskins. Twenty eighteen, signs a fully guaranteed, fully guaranteed 98 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 4: three year deal with the Minnesota Vikings worth eighty four 99 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 4: million dollars. At that time, he was the first player 100 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 4: to get a fully guaranteed deal for that much more 101 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 4: eighty four million dollars hadn't happened, most for any player 102 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 4: in NFL history at the time of that signing in 103 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, fully guaranteed three years eighty four million dollars. 104 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 4: In twenty twenty, you're gonna hear the word guaranteed a 105 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 4: lot two year extension off of that three year deal. 106 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 4: Two year extension worth sixty six million dollars with sixty 107 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 4: one million dollars guaranteed, so all but five million dollars 108 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 4: were guaranteed. That five million dollars also essentially, in reading 109 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 4: back over, the deal was basically guaranteed because Minnesota would 110 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 4: have been on the hook for an obscene amount of 111 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 4: money that were going to end up paying him the 112 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 4: five million dollars. But the documents will give them the 113 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 4: benefit of the doubt. Sixty six million dollars, sixty one 114 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 4: million of that guaranteed. In twenty twenty two, signed a 115 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 4: one year extension off of that other extension that he 116 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 4: signed thirty five million dollars fully guaranteed. And then he 117 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 4: goes to the Atlanta Falcons in twenty twenty four and 118 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 4: signs for four years, one hundred and eighty million dollars 119 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 4: with one one hundred million dollars guaranteed. Kirk Cousins has 120 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 4: played the game correctly, but it's always been about the money, yes, 121 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 4: when you have a team. By the way, there were 122 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 4: no The next highest free agent signing besides Kirk Cousins 123 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 4: in that free agency class was Gardner Minshew, signing basically 124 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 4: a backup quarterback deal. There wasn't a market for Kirk Cousins. 125 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 4: Him going back to Minnesota would have been the default. 126 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 4: It may have been planned b for him, but that's 127 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 4: not what he wanted to do, And in fact, I 128 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 4: don't think Minnesota wanted him back. I think Minnesota wanted 129 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 4: to move on so far from the Kirk Cousins era 130 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 4: that they were starting Jaren Hall, a rookie quarterback, in 131 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 4: a must win game against Green Bay in late December 132 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 4: on Sunday Night Football, just hoping and hoping, hoping that 133 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 4: maybe a rookie quarterback would be able to grab the 134 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 4: reins and they could have a quarterback of the future. 135 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 4: Failed miserably. Nick Mullins had to take over. This was 136 00:06:54,680 --> 00:07:00,559 Speaker 4: all because of Cousins's achilles injury. In the end, Minnesota decides, 137 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 4: we're going to chart our own course. If you want 138 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 4: to come back, it's going to be a one year deal, 139 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 4: but we're going to draft a quarterback. 140 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: You know what. 141 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins says, Fine, I'll go somewhere else, in only 142 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 4: one place, and I'll get one hundred and eighty million dollars. 143 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: Right. 144 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 4: So, him telling you that I want to stay back 145 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 4: in Minnesota, it would have been better from my family. 146 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 4: If the Falcons weren't coming around with a one hundred 147 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 4: and eighty million dollar deal, then yeah, maybe he would 148 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 4: have stayed in Minnesota. 149 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: But he didn't. 150 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 4: You know why, because Kirk Cousins has always been about 151 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 4: the money. And that's why I don't feel bad one bit. 152 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 4: The Falcons were actually fined in doct a fifth round 153 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 4: pick because they tampered with kirk Cousins because they were 154 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 4: talking with him so early in the process. 155 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: His wife was reportedly. 156 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 4: Looking at schools for their kids in early March, before 157 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 4: free agency had even started. 158 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: This is all this is. I'm sorry. 159 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 4: I know I'm worked up over this, but just to 160 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 4: hear this, this story of woe is me and yeah, 161 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 4: I was surprised. We all were surprised, right, But let's 162 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 4: be real. You took the money because you wanted the money. 163 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 4: That's what it was about. It wasn't about leading the 164 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 4: Falcons to the Super bowlers because they were going to 165 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 4: give you one hundred million dollars guaranteed and there wasn't 166 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 4: another team in the NFL that was willing to pay 167 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 4: you that. That's what this is all about. 168 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 5: You want to you want to add one more ounce 169 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 5: of proof to what you're saying. It's about the money, 170 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 5: Let's hear it. He's a two time participant to the 171 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 5: Quarterback Show, Like why why is he doing that show 172 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 5: right now? 173 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: Perfect? 174 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 5: Just an added in truth for you then for your statement. 175 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 5: But for him, it's always been a cap on what 176 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 5: he could do and what he could be as a player. Right, 177 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 5: so he's maximized that. I think for him individually, he's 178 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 5: had a really really successful career. Obviously, his time in 179 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 5: Minnesota was going to be up. I mean, he wasn't 180 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 5: going to be the guy to get them over the hump. 181 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 5: And you said it. I mean, there was one more 182 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 5: team that was willing to, you know, have him as 183 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 5: an expensive stop gap to their next situation. Obviously we 184 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 5: didn't see Michael Pennix being that guy that early with 185 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 5: Atlanta drafting him that high. But he wasn't going to 186 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 5: be the answer there, and so I think that was 187 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 5: my main I guess problem with the deal is how 188 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 5: much money they gave them, Right, the fact that he 189 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 5: was able to finesse them for that amount of money 190 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 5: is just bonkers. Yeah, the deal first came out, it 191 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 5: made no sense. First and foremost he's an Asian quarterback. Second, 192 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 5: he does have a cap on his talent and what 193 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 5: he can do. Third, he's coming off a major Achilles injury. 194 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 5: So for him to say anything about anybody doing him 195 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 5: wrong in this situation and this deal, it's just kind 196 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 5: of assinine. 197 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 4: It isn't quite the trifecta, by the way. Yes, and 198 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 4: so if you're facing all of that stuff that you 199 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 4: know and I know, and I think that he knows, 200 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 4: and someone says we'll give you a hundred million dollars guaranteed, 201 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 4: where do I sign? 202 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: Exactly? 203 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 4: Where do I sign? You want me to? You know, 204 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 4: do you want me to lift the field goal nets 205 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 4: on field goals too when we're kicking field goals? I'll 206 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 4: do it for one hundred million dollars. Absolutely. You want 207 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 4: me to hold the sideline chains when we're not on offense, 208 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 4: That's that's what you do. When you're coming off of 209 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: that injury, that's what you do. No One, there wasn't 210 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 4: a team out there that was willing to give Kirk 211 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 4: Cousins that deal. And if it was all about doing 212 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 4: what was right, he then maybe would have stayed in 213 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 4: Minnesota on that one year deal. But no, It's always 214 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 4: been about the money for Kirk Cousins. So when it 215 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 4: backfires on you and you get hurt and you lose 216 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 4: your job because they go in a different direction. I 217 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 4: don't agree with what the Falcons did, but still I 218 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 4: just have zero empathy or sympathy for Kirk Cousins, and. 219 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 5: I actually agree with what Atlanta did. He wasn't playing 220 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 5: well at all, so and I think this is the 221 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 5: other part of that conversation. If he played well, he 222 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 5: would still be the guy right now, and even if 223 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 5: they drafted Pennix, he still would be planned. But he 224 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 5: did not live up to even his part of that 225 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 5: of that bargain. 226 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 4: I think it's also easy to point back to Minnesota 227 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 4: because of the injury that JJ McCarthy went through, And 228 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 4: so when you do reference that previous stop, if Cousins 229 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 4: was still there, maybe he's still in line to be 230 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: the starter. Maybe there's a quarterback battle this offseason. But again, 231 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 4: he got one hundred million dollars guaranteed he was with Minnesota. 232 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 4: The Quarterback Series showed him rehabbing in Minnesota, and the 233 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 4: next thing you know, he's signing a deal with the 234 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 4: Atlanta Falcons for that amount. Of money and talking about 235 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 4: the roots that they had in the state of Georgia 236 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 4: and how excited they were to be there. But again, 237 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 4: this was all laid out. The Falcons had him with 238 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 4: their trainer in early March. That was the evidence that 239 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 4: that got busted on the tampering, that he was meeting 240 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 4: with a Falcons team doctor to find out how well 241 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 4: along his achilles injury was. 242 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know that. 243 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: Yes, So that's part of what the NFL docked the 244 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 4: Falcons for for the tampering of Kirk Cousins during free agency. 245 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 4: So when I sit down and I did watch, I 246 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 4: fast forward through the Jared Goff and Joe Burrow portions 247 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 4: of the first episode because the Kirk Cousins deal was trending, 248 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 4: people were talking about it, and I watched it and 249 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 4: he comes acros. He's been a great media person. To 250 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 4: your point, who's doing this twice? You know it's Kirk Cousins. 251 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 4: Is he knows how to play the game. 252 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: You know. 253 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 4: Golly, there's a whole great Clips sponsorship that's thrown in 254 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 4: even mentions it in the quarterback thing, and then Adam 255 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 4: Schefter's tweeting earlier today Kirk Cousins and Great Clips have 256 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 4: reached this deal where if you're in The Great Clips 257 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 4: when Kirk Cousins is getting a haircut, you also get 258 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 4: a free haircut. It's all about the money, So don't 259 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 4: feel bad when Kirk Cousins can't throw the football to 260 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 4: the right team that he's being benched. It's always been 261 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 4: about the money for Kirk Cousins, and that's why I 262 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 4: just don't buy anything that he says. 263 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: And it's okay, it's fine, it's that's what it's about. 264 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 4: But don't sit here and tell me how the Falcons 265 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 4: wronged you and how you were putting such a tough 266 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: spot when you got one hundred million dollars that no 267 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 4: other team in the NFL, including the team you just 268 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 4: paid played for, would be willing to pay you. 269 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: Dan, I just want to know what day is that 270 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: the Great Clips day so I can. 271 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 4: Show yes, because he's going to be going to all 272 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 4: the different ones. Absolutely. I just it's and and it 273 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 4: goes on. And I didn't see the rest of the 274 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 4: episodes because there's you know, a bunch of different episodes. 275 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 4: But he talks about playing through the injury because he 276 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 4: doesn't want Michael Pennix to be the starting quarterback you 277 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 4: played the NFL. I get that, Like you know, you 278 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 4: never want to give up your spot. You don't want to, 279 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 4: you want to do it for your team. There is 280 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 4: some responsibility also of fulfilling your contract. Now, do I 281 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 4: think that he's thinking to himself, well, I'm not going 282 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 4: to get the other eighty million million dollars guaranteed, so 283 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 4: I better continue to play. I don't think it went 284 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 4: that deep. At that point. He was already guaranteed a 285 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: hundred million dollars. He is a competitor. He does want 286 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 4: to win about but I get that portion of it. 287 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 4: But this whole lead up in this look back and 288 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 4: well we never would have left Minnesota if that was 289 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 4: the case. As we said, Minnesota, I don't think really 290 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 4: wanted him back, right And now he's trying to make 291 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 4: himself the victim. And when you get a hundred million 292 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,599 Speaker 4: dollars guaranteed, coming off of everything that you said, the 293 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 4: Achilles injury in the age, sorry don't feel bad for you. 294 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's there's no no sorry, no feeling sorry 295 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 5: for the guy right now. I mean, obviously, like you said, 296 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 5: we both said, I mean he's made a lot of 297 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 5: money in this league, and he's played some really good 298 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 5: football and plays some down football. That's part of being 299 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 5: the pro. But yeah, at this point, nobody wants to 300 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 5: hear the sob story from Kirk Cousins at all. 301 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 4: Jason tweets in and says, don't forget Washington kind of 302 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 4: dragged him along and had the RG three deal in Washington. 303 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 4: But that's I felt like like Kirk Cousins was a 304 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 4: victim of circumstance there because he was brought in later. 305 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 4: I don't envy the spot that he was in. Yeah, 306 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 4: but in that situation, isn't RG three the real victim 307 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: because you drafted another quarterback in that same draft draft? Yeah, So, 308 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 4: like I get like, if I'm Kirk Cousins and Washington 309 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 4: isn't willing to pay him the contract that he wanted, 310 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 4: he says, fine, I'm good enough. I'll just play under 311 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 4: the franchise tag. It's more beneficial for me to make 312 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 4: you franchise take me for the second time. I get 313 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 4: the whole tenure in Washington. I don't think that there's 314 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 4: just any point where I feel bad for him, because 315 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 4: I feel he's gained the system enough and if we 316 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 4: want to talk about that rookie year. I feel RG 317 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 4: three was more of the victim in anything, because now 318 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 4: there's a quarterback there that may try to undermine what 319 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 4: you're trying to do. Is the first overall pick, your 320 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 4: second overall pick. Yeah, there's nothing we said it. There's 321 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 4: nothing to be sorry about. Man, he was a fourth 322 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 4: round pick. He's exceeded all expectations on from that perspective alone. 323 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 4: Right his play in Washington very steady. I knew he 324 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 4: was the guy that would have a chance there in 325 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 4: Washington because of RG three's style of play at the time, 326 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 4: where now you know game plans even with the Lamar 327 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 4: Jackson now like even those things are more game plan 328 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 4: specific for that type of quarterback, where when RG three. 329 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 5: Came in, it was not quite there yet. Even though 330 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 5: they knew they had that type of player, teams weren't 331 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 5: ready to go to that style of offense completely yet 332 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 5: now and protect him in a way that was the 333 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 5: way he was going to need it. Kirk Cousins, I 334 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 5: applaud you for always being ready and being the guy that, 335 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 5: even though you may not have been first, you had 336 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 5: a bigger vision for yourself being that guy we applaud 337 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 5: you right now, isn't the time to be the guy 338 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 5: that you're trying to make a sorry sorry for you. 339 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: It's's not going to work. Great point. Jason Stewart's our 340 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: executive producer. 341 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 7: Let's talk about that last part, right, because he agreed 342 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 7: to do this show. He's getting paid to do the show. 343 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 7: And I'm guessing Carrie, you know more about this than 344 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 7: we do. But like when a reality show approaches you, 345 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 7: and by the way, they skipped last season because they 346 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 7: couldn't get enough quarterbacks to do this show. Part of 347 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 7: the sales pitch, probably from the agent is Kirk, you know, 348 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 7: let's start thinking about the next career. Let's let's let's 349 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 7: further procure your your public image, sure for your next career. Right, 350 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 7: So he volunteers to do this, he's getting paid to 351 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 7: do it. He doesn't need to say this on camera, 352 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 7: like this is something that you might admit to your 353 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 7: immediate family members or other quarterbacks that have eight figures 354 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 7: in the bank quick, but you just don't admit this 355 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 7: on a reality show where you're doing it for all 356 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 7: optics presumably, right, Ye, go ahead. 357 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 4: I was just going to say, you don't admit it 358 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 4: unless you're trying to spin the story your way and 359 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 4: using it as that platform for that. So, yeah, you're right, 360 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 4: that would be something that you're like, all right, maybe 361 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 4: we should have stayed in Minnesota. But to sit down 362 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 4: knowing that you're going to be asked that question, because 363 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 4: this question was asked months prior. It's not like a 364 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 4: live interview done on Sports Center, Fox Sports One or 365 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 4: anything like that. It's it's a prepackaged piece. You know 366 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 4: exactly what you're saying in that point one. 367 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 5: Hundred percent strategic, right, I mean now it is he's 368 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 5: he's on the back nine, right, it's a chance for 369 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 5: him to, you know, gain some sympathy, gain a different 370 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 5: perspective about what his intentions were when he headed to Atlanta. 371 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: And that's all. It's just a spin job. Yeah, he's done. 372 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: Only on the back nine. 373 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 4: He's caddying for Michael Pennock's junior now, and he's telling 374 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 4: him the wrongs in Atlanta because it's just what a mess. 375 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 4: Now we're a month, by the way, we're less than 376 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 4: a month from training camp. We know that he's unhappy 377 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 4: they were unable to deal him. Is this aid in 378 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 4: that effect? I didn't watch the first full quarterback series. 379 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 4: Either Cousins was a part of that again as you said, yea, 380 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 4: but also during that, wasn't Marcus Mariota a part of that? 381 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 4: And then he ends up getting benched. So you're seeing 382 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 4: these different aspects of it. And I'm sure quarterback is thinking, well, hey, 383 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 4: we just had Cousins. We'll see if he wants to 384 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 4: come back to both your point, yeah, let's do it, 385 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 4: go right ahead. It shows a different Hey, I'm trying 386 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 4: to come back from injury. But in Kirk Cousins mind, 387 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 4: it's watch my comeback. We're going to have it documented 388 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 4: and it's going to be amazing, Like, watch this thing. 389 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 4: Because the cameras were rolling before they even drafted Michael 390 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 4: Pennix Junior on this docu series. This was happening during 391 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 4: the free agency or after the free agency period in 392 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 4: March of twenty twenty four. 393 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 5: Is he the most expensive backup quarterback ever? I think 394 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 5: I think that's a yeah. I think yeah. 395 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: How would say so? Yes? 396 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 4: And shame on the Falcons forgiving, Like I don't agree 397 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 4: with the Falcons making the move that they did, even 398 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 4: though it worked out for them in the end, Like 399 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 4: they covered their basis. But I felt that they were 400 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 4: ready to win last year, which is why they wanted 401 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins to come in, and it didn't end up happening. 402 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 4: I think Atlanta's in a really good spot in twenty 403 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 4: twenty five. There's not a lot of expectations, and I 404 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 4: actually feel they're going to be really good offensively. Offensively, 405 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 4: I think they have a really good offensive line, which, 406 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 4: by the way, then if they do have success. Guess 407 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 4: whose story gets hurt Kirk Cousins because of what he 408 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 4: didn't do last year, and we're gonna I'm curious to 409 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 4: see the rest of the piece and him talking about 410 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,239 Speaker 4: his injury. I get that gamesmanship with a player, but 411 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 4: no player has maneuvered more in their NFL career to 412 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 4: maximize their dollars than Kirk Cousins, including again taking the 413 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 4: one hundred million dollars guaranteed from the Atlanta Falcons. So 414 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 4: don't cry about not going back to Minnesota. 415 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 1: There you go. 416 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 4: As that Vikings whole deal was playing out in the 417 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 4: year that he was injured, because they started off slow 418 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 4: and then they played a really good stretch of football 419 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 4: and then he got injured in that game against Green 420 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 4: Bay at lambeau Field. Their season ended up taking a 421 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 4: turn because of what they were trying to find out 422 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 4: at quarterback. But I just remember I remember sitting in 423 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 4: the studio and finding out that they were starting Jaren 424 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 4: Hall for that game against the Packers on Sunday night, 425 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: and that told me because they had started Jaron Hall 426 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 4: earlier in the season in a game against the Falcons, 427 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 4: which at that time mid season, not a big deal, 428 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 4: but the Vikings were teetering on the playoffs. They could 429 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 4: have possibly gotten in and playing green Bay your arrival 430 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 4: at home on Sunday night football. They started Jaron Hall 431 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 4: and he was atrocious, and green Bay destroyed Minnesota. I 432 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 4: think thirty three to ten was the final. So at 433 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 4: that point, Minnesota knew that they weren't going to have 434 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 4: Jaren Hall be their future quarterback. And as ridiculous as 435 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 4: it sounds when I'm saying that, think of what would 436 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 4: have happened. If Minnesota would have won thirty three to ten, 437 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 4: they would have said, we have our quarterback of the future, 438 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 4: this is our guy, and I think it just it 439 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 4: completely backfired on them. So then when the offseason comes 440 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 4: around and they're talking about Kirk Cousins, they are thinking 441 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 4: about taking a quarterback early and even though Cousins mentioned 442 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 4: it in that clip, he could have stayed there. It 443 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 4: would have been the same exact situation. The only difference 444 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 4: wouldn't have got one hundred million dollars guaranteed. And that's 445 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 4: why he ultimately went to Atlanta. 446 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio had the best sports talk lineup in 447 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 3: the nation. 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They get people riled up, and I absolutely 458 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 4: took the bait on it ranking the top college football 459 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 4: rival and really no surprise considering what's gone down in 460 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 4: the last four years, five years, if you will off 461 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 4: four years Michigan and Ohio State number one right off 462 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 4: the bat, Dan, the number one rivalry in college football. 463 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 4: As a fan of one of the schools, I can 464 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,479 Speaker 4: tell you it means the means the most. It absolutely is. 465 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 4: There's really only one game that I thought could rival that, 466 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 4: and that's Army Navy just because of everything that the 467 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 4: history of it and what it means. Army Navy came 468 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 4: in fourth on this list. So I'm not arguing with 469 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 4: Michigan and Ohio State is number one. 470 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 5: I gotta fight you on that one, Dan, Really you 471 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 5: have a bigger rivalry, absolutely and obviously current, Like right now, 472 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 5: I understand why Michigan, Ohio State State, But there's nothing 473 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 5: like Auburn Alabama. 474 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: Oh boy, it is. 475 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 5: I mean obviously I'm from there, so I've witnessed it firsthand. 476 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: Little bias, Yeah. 477 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 5: But Dan, you have students in the quad of the 478 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 5: of the opposing school trying to poison trees like. 479 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 4: It's it's it's crazy they did. 480 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 5: It's you talk about splitting up families and with it 481 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 5: really being like either or I've seen friendships, I've seen 482 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,479 Speaker 5: family households is households broken in two torn between its 483 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 5: Alabama aubur rivalry. 484 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: So I have to side there is that where house divided. 485 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 4: Those flags that you'll see really came about Auburn and Alabama. Yes, 486 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 4: it's crazy, I get that portion of it, But why 487 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 4: I think Michigan and Ohio State wins. You're gonna use 488 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 4: it against me, I'm gonna use it for me and 489 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 4: say this because it isn't just in state like you 490 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 4: have two states that hate each other. So within the 491 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 4: borders of Alabama, it's Auburn and Alabama like like there is. 492 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 4: But I think it's difficult for anybody else outside of 493 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 4: that to understand the hatred that goes on goes on 494 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 4: within that state, which is why I actually think Oklahoma 495 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 4: Texas is number two, and I think that that is 496 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 4: the second biggest rivalry in college football. And again we're 497 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 4: talking about a Texas team that is now perennial national contender. 498 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 4: Oklahoma had been up until maybe recently in the last 499 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 4: year or two, maybe things dropped off a bit for 500 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: the Sooners, so maybe what's at stake in that game 501 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 4: isn't as big of a deal. But in looking at 502 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 4: what they had for the top five, Michigan Ohio State 503 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 4: was one Auburn Alabama two, Oklahoma Texas three, Army Navy four, 504 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 4: USC Notre Dame five, which was interesting as well because 505 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 4: there's a question on whether USC and Notre Dame will 506 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 4: continue their rivalry because of where USC is. My problem 507 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 4: is actually with the next four that they have, and 508 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 4: the next four that they had were Nebraska, Oklahoma, Miami 509 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 4: and Florida State, Ohio State, and Penn State in Florida 510 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 4: and Florida State. I'm just going to rattle this off. 511 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 4: Nebraska Oklahoma don't play every year anymore. So the early 512 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 4: nineteen seventies, it may have been the rivalry, may have 513 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 4: been maybe in the late nineteen nineties still it could 514 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 4: have been the rivalry. It is not anymore. I've been 515 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 4: to a Miami Florida State game and was completely underwhelmed 516 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 4: at what I saw in the atmosphere there. I get 517 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 4: there's a big build up, but it does not match 518 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 4: Oklahoma Texas where I've been to. It does not match 519 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 4: Michigan Ohio State. I have not been to an Auburn 520 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 4: Alabama Iron Bowl game. I would love to, but I'm 521 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 4: telling you the game that I went to and saw 522 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 4: between those two schools did not matter. Ohio State and 523 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 4: Penn State is eighth. It's a good game, they're neighbors, 524 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 4: but to say that that is a rivalry. It's usually 525 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 4: Ohio State's second biggest game of the year and maybe 526 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 4: Penn State's biggest game of the year, depending on the schedule. 527 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 4: But I don't necessarily consider that a rivalry and Florida. 528 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 4: Florida State's usually played on the same weekend as Ohio 529 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 4: State Michigan and is completely overshadowed unless the teams are 530 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 4: a national championship contention. There are other nominees of of 531 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 4: an Auburn Georgia, which is a huge rivalry. Below Minnesota 532 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 4: and Wisconsin play for the acts Alabama and Tennessee that 533 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 4: rivalry what the third Saturday in October every season. So 534 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 4: there's Alabama LSU for the great games that they have 535 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 4: had as of late. All of those. Then I look 536 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 4: at the bottom of the list. I see Harvard and 537 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 4: Yale at twenty. Okay, I agree with that, though that's 538 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 4: Harvard Yale, like there's something to that. Washington and Oregon. 539 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 4: I know the Apple Cup gets some hype with Washington 540 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 4: and Washington State, but there is true hatred and dislike 541 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 4: between between Washington and Oregon that should be higher Iowa Wisconsin. 542 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 4: If I'm gonna put in Minnesota Wisconsin there, then Iowa 543 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 4: Wisconsin kind of takes a little bit of a backseat. 544 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 4: But you have the Egg Bowl with Ole miss and 545 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 4: Mississippi State, Bedlam with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Now that 546 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 4: they're not in any conferences right now, I think it 547 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 4: actually makes it a better rivalry. And then I looked 548 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 4: at the rankings that were outside the top twenty five 549 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 4: and there were a bunch of great games that weren't 550 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,239 Speaker 4: even included in this ranking that I feel could be 551 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 4: better than even some of the ones that they had 552 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 4: in the top ten. Pitt in West Virginia, Oregon, Oregon State, 553 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 4: Like there's these are the Pitt West Virginia one, Utah BYU, 554 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 4: the Holy War that they have now that they're in 555 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 4: the same conference. I think all of those rivalries are 556 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 4: are better than what we saw in their lack of 557 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 4: what they had late in the top ten. 558 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. 559 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 5: I mean when you look at this thing, you I 560 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 5: think because of the parody and how you know, perceived tough, 561 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 5: the SEC is if you just think about it, Alabama 562 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 5: is the rival of three different teams in the top 563 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 5: thirteen that people are talking about, you know, I mean, like, yes, 564 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 5: so it gets kind of spread thin there. But the 565 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 5: one I haven't outraged with obviously, and we haven't gotten 566 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 5: to it yet because they're so far down. 567 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 4: This literally, I said, they carry it's got to be here, somewhere, somewhere. 568 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 5: It was seventy ninth and that was my Louisville Cardinals 569 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 5: versus the Kentucky the Kentucky Wildcats, and that was number 570 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 5: seventy nine, and I was like, okay, I get it. Nationally, 571 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 5: maybe it doesn't have the steam, but it's also again, 572 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 5: when you have something invested in and you've been a 573 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 5: part of it, you know how much more intense the situation. 574 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 4: Yes, that's crazy. Seventy nine. I was surprised. Now I 575 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 4: know that there's you know, trophies, the little Brown jug 576 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 4: that Michigan and Minnesota play that came in at fifty one. 577 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: We get the Governor's cup. It's the Governor's cup. 578 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 4: Then, okay, that's that's what you got there. In state 579 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 4: rivalry again, like there's you know, Michigan Penn State was 580 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 4: up at forty seven, and again I don't think that's 581 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 4: necessarily a rivalry like Michigan and Michigan State is a rivalry. 582 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 4: That was sixteenth in the rankings. But I don't necessarily 583 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 4: see that. The old oaken bucket is what Indiana and 584 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 4: Purdue play for. That was in the top fifty. But 585 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 4: you're right, like, we get to we start scrolling down 586 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 4: and it's Iowa State, k State top yours like it. 587 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 4: Never would have thought USC Stanford not even in the 588 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 4: same league anymore. I get the UCLA Stanford actually ranked 589 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 4: higher than Louisville, Kentucky. 590 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm with you. Your cards got screwed on this. 591 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's ridiculous. When I when you say they weren't 592 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 5: even on the list, I was up in arms. I'm 593 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 5: still up in arms. There's seventy nine. They stead of 594 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 5: just left them off. I would have been better with that. 595 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 5: The fact that they thought that seventy nine was suitable, 596 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 5: it's just bad for business, Dan, It's bad for. 597 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 4: It was one of those as while that we had 598 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 4: to scroll. It was an early scroll, so I where 599 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 4: you started from the top, which it was one hundred 600 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 4: down to down to one is how they did it. 601 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 4: So I actually scrolled all the way to the bottom, 602 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 4: thinking like, Okay, Louisville, Kentucky could be around thirty thirty five, 603 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 4: and then just kept going. It felt like the cliffhanger 604 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 4: on Price is right. 605 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 5: You went down so far you thought you skipped it 606 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 5: because yes, I couldn't be there. 607 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 4: Yes, oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, Yeah, you're in the You're 608 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 4: in the same neighborhood as Cincinnati. I'm just telling you 609 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 4: Baylor in Texas Tech. I could go on and on. 610 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 4: He's Carrier road Z. I'm dan Byer Isaac Lohenkron USC UCLA, 611 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 4: which is the household that Isaac Lorencron lives in. Fourteenth 612 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 4: in this college football rivalry, according to The Athletic, let's 613 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 4: give us, let's get the latest his darn music. 614 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you, when you're talking about college rivalries, 615 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 6: you have to talk about me. Keith Jackson. 616 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: Do we have a Keith Jackson college. 617 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 6: Rivalry unless I'm announcing hold on, hold on. 618 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 4: That's Isaac Lauren Cron. Let's go and hear the other 619 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 4: Keith Jackson. 620 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 7: Ordinly Ordly my alma motto, Washington State visits the Rose Boy, 621 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 7: the gren daddy. 622 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: Of them all. 623 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 5: Oldly, Isaac's not that press. 624 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 6: That impression is like molasses. It doesn't go down easy. 625 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 6: I'll tell you I can make any rivalry sound exciting, 626 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 6: like the fighting proctologists from Johns Hopkins University against the 627 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 6: always tough Dickinson College angry poets who bore beat. 628 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: That I was right ahead of Kentucky Louisville. Just kidding, care, 629 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: just kidding. 630 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 6: My god, all right, I think it's clear that none 631 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 6: of us won that Keith Jackson impersonation battle. 632 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 633 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 3: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 634 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: Radio dot Com and within the iHeartRadio app. 635 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 4: Scavino and Richiere on Fox Sports Radio. He's Carry Roads. 636 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 4: I'm Dan Byer coming up in twelve minutes. The New 637 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 4: York Times has crunched the numbers and told you how 638 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 4: much it really costs to be a sports fan. 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And I think Bronnie James is the 656 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 4: perfect example and what he recently did in Summer League 657 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 4: where he had a thunderous dunk and had ten points 658 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 4: in eleven minutes. And I just have decided, Carrie that 659 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 4: I am done with the hate on Bronnie James, and 660 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 4: I'm done with the hype on Bronnie James. None of 661 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 4: it helps him, None of it helps him in his career. 662 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 4: He is now a second year pro in the NBA, 663 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 4: and while his dad can't make up his mind on 664 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 4: where he wants to play or what he wants to 665 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 4: do and where he wants to go. At some point, 666 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 4: there's going to be no safety net for Bronnie and 667 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 4: he's going to have to figure out a way to 668 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 4: carve out his career. Where are you on where we 669 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 4: are and how we look at Bronnie James the Lakers guard. 670 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent with you on this. 671 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:59,239 Speaker 5: I mean, I think the heat the conversation piece that 672 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 5: was Brownie James during his rookie season was warranted. He 673 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 5: was in a situation where a lot of people thought 674 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 5: he wasn't He didn't belong, He didn't belong in that position, right, 675 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 5: he wasn't an NBA player. I agreed with that take 676 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 5: when it was happening while it was going on. But 677 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 5: right now he's in his second season, that season's over. 678 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 5: It's a new chance for him to actually stake his 679 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 5: claim in this league. Right Yes, see, Summer League is 680 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 5: not going to be a thing that's going to make 681 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 5: me flip that switch and say he belongs anyway. So 682 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 5: I'm not worried about that. I want to see what 683 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 5: he can do with the opportunity now that's there. 684 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: He's in the league. 685 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 5: Go be a pro, Now, go make me a believer 686 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 5: with your play, And that's kind of where I am now. 687 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,239 Speaker 4: I think that he is proven, whether he's worth or not, 688 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 4: but that he's proven the value of a second round 689 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 4: pick for what he's done in the G League. Like 690 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 4: I honestly thought he was going to completely fall on 691 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 4: his face, right, I did. I just I thought he 692 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 4: was undersized. I thought he would be dominated. I didn't 693 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 4: think that he'd be a to score at the clip 694 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 4: that that he was, and he hasn't done that. So 695 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,240 Speaker 4: to me, it's like bar met he's he's reached that point. 696 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 1: So by the end of the first year, you thought 697 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: he was an NBA player. No, Oh, I thought he was. 698 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 4: I didn't think that it was a wasted second round 699 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 4: because not all second round picks are NBA players. 700 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: Some are, some aren't. 701 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 4: But I think that he not that he justified the pick, 702 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 4: because it'll never be justified because of how it was 703 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 4: tried to be maneuvered. But that's the point where I'm like, 704 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 4: we have to get past that. We have to if 705 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 4: you hated that, we have to get past it. But 706 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 4: we also have to get past the fact that we're 707 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 4: putting highlights up of him in Summer League, and I 708 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 4: get it, like it comes with the territory, but not 709 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 4: everything that comes with the territory. When your last name 710 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 4: is James and your first name is Bronni, just like 711 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 4: your dad's is good. And I feel that the hate 712 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 4: and the hype are both negative to Bronni James because 713 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 4: at some point he is going to have to figure 714 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 4: out and carve out his own career. Lebron can only 715 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 4: do so much. Lebron got him into the league, and 716 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 4: really it was for Lebron and not about Bronnie. And 717 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 4: I think that's the other point about it was it 718 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 4: was never about Bronni making it into the NBA. It 719 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 4: was about Lebron being able to play with his son. Yes, 720 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 4: so there's some empathy because I don't think it's necessarily 721 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 4: as easy as we all think it is to be 722 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 4: Lebron James's son, especially when you're not matched up to 723 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 4: his athletic ability. So I want to give Bronnie James 724 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 4: some grace and all of that. And so that's why 725 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 4: I just I felt yesterday like it just ends. 726 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: Now. 727 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 4: Let him be a basketball player, don't try to overhide him. 728 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 4: If he has thirty five points in the summer game, 729 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 4: summer league game. We're going to talk about him, sure, 730 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 4: but getting a dunk in ten points in eleven minutes 731 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 4: seems to be like you're just trying to squeeze out 732 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 4: whatever you can of that hype train. 733 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 5: One thousand percent. I mean, and you hit the nail 734 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 5: on the head, right. I don't think it was ever 735 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 5: directed at Bronnie directly. It was because of his dad 736 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 5: and the way that that situation was given to us, right. 737 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 5: It was presented to us in the way that I'm 738 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 5: going to play my son no matter what. I'm going 739 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 5: to get him where I want him to go, no 740 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 5: matter what. And Brownie's just pretty much a victim in 741 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 5: a situation. Now, how does he How does he I 742 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 5: guess progress and put himself in the better situation with 743 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 5: his own name and with his own play by doing 744 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 5: what he needs to do. 745 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 4: And if he's going to be a defensive menace that 746 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 4: was the phrase that he used recently, then that's going 747 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 4: to be it. We told you that Today's Cavino and 748 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 4: Rich Show is brought to you by ty Iraq. 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How is life lately as a 760 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 4: Yankees fan? 761 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? 762 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 5: Not good, not good. They've been on the struggle bus. Obviously, 763 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 5: lost seven in a row. They finally got to win 764 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 5: the other day in the in the finale against the Mets, 765 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 5: and yeah, we got problems, but you know, baseball is 766 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 5: a long season and usually there's gonna be abs and flows. 767 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 5: They're gonna have to find out their situation at third 768 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 5: and second. Obviously Chishom's an All Star. He wants to 769 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 5: play second. We gotta figure it out. And the pitchin's 770 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 5: been abysmal, so we'll get it figured out. Dan Well, 771 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 5: that Angels highlight their four back of the wild card. 772 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 4: Yankees right now with the top spot in the wild 773 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 4: card race, just a half game up on the Tampa 774 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 4: Bay Race. 775 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: He's carry Roads. I'm Dan Byer. 776 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure he owned some Yankees jerseys. Yes, we'll 777 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 4: find out about that. Next. He's Carrie. I'm Dan Cavino 778 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 4: and Rich here on Fox Sports Radio