Speaker 1: There you go, Nicky Spagnola, that's time for a special
Speaker 1: in thishod of mixed shots on the day before the
Speaker 1: National Football League Draft, Old School with the old Gilboys
Speaker 1: Fike song. It's time to get fired up for the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty National Football League Draft. Bill Jones with Nicky Spagnola.
Speaker 1: I love that Fike song, and Nicky, as you know,
Speaker 1: I love the NFL Draft. Yes, absolutely, And I bet
Speaker 1: you're acting like tomorrow is gonna be Christmas. Uh, great
Speaker 1: old school song for two veteran uh schoolers. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: not calling us old schoolers. We're veteran schoolers right now.
Speaker 1: Uh doing mix shots here day before the draft. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and I can't wait, Bill for just something that's real now,
Speaker 1: anything that's a mock, not anythings that's I this or
Speaker 1: E that. It's it's going to be actually the first
Speaker 1: real sports since the middle of March. Yep. And let's
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna spend about a half hour here talking
Speaker 1: about it. We're doing it a little bit differently this week.
Speaker 1: The folks at Dallas Cowboys dot Com getting set for
Speaker 1: the draft, and so we're doing our own little zoom
Speaker 1: mix shots and which is now being posted on Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com, which is where most of you are
Speaker 1: seeing this, but we're also posting it on YouTube and
Speaker 1: tweeting it out as well. And you know, Mickey really
Speaker 1: our each of us. Our history with the NFL Draft
Speaker 1: goes back a long ways, but really with Dallas with
Speaker 1: the old Dallas Cowboys channel, where we really started diving
Speaker 1: into the draft on a regular basis. Was I think
Speaker 1: back in that two thousand and five draft when DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Ware was a number one pick and Marcus Spears also
Speaker 1: went in the first round and we had a lot
Speaker 1: of programming time to Bill back then, and so we
Speaker 1: talked a little a few weeks ago about interviewing DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Ware's high school coach, and I think we interviewed Marcus
Speaker 1: Spears as well. That was one of the best drafts
Speaker 1: in Cowboys history. And of course DeMarcus Ware is going
Speaker 1: to be a part of the Cowboys Virtual Draft watch
Speaker 1: party along with Jamie Fox on Thursday night and Micky.
Speaker 1: It just so happens to be tomorrow on Thursday, the
Speaker 1: first day of the draft, is also the fifteen year
Speaker 1: anniversary of when the Cowboys drafted DeMarcus Ware and Marcus
Speaker 1: Spears in the first round. You know, bell funny you
Speaker 1: bring up Talking Cowboys because I'm upstairs and kind of
Speaker 1: the game room, and I've got a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: stored away, not stored away, just kind of sitting around.
Speaker 1: And I found this big black, kind of small folder
Speaker 1: case and I opened it up and there must be
Speaker 1: fifteen Talking Cowboys discs in there, and I would agree,
Speaker 1: and I didn't. I haven't used him. They had dates
Speaker 1: on him, it didn't have the year, and I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if it's from back in two thousand and five or
Speaker 1: two thousand and six when we were doing the show.
Speaker 1: But as if I don't have time on my hands now, right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put one in when I do and see
Speaker 1: what I've got. But yeah, that was a long long
Speaker 1: time ago when we and we nailed that draft too,
Speaker 1: about by the way, in two thousands, we nailed that
Speaker 1: draft better than Bill Parcels. Yes, we did it that.
Speaker 1: You're right ourselves wanted to take Spears first, right, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And now look those guys are today. DeMarcus ware on
Speaker 1: his way after he waits a while to get into
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Marcus Spears on ESPN
Speaker 1: and a really good voice there too, analyzing thing. He's
Speaker 1: a great personality. Yeah, yeah, And and I actually did
Speaker 1: a little zoom interview with DeMarcus Ware which I posted
Speaker 1: on CBS eleven. Bill Jones, you can take a good
Speaker 1: ten or twelve minutes talking with DeMarcus about posting the
Speaker 1: watch party and about that draft. And by the way,
Speaker 1: the guy that he wants the Cowboys to draft is
Speaker 1: another edge rusher. Imagine that Gay Levan Chason from LSU,
Speaker 1: so you can hear his thoughts on that as well.
Speaker 1: But talking about that two thousand and five ground one,
Speaker 1: a draft that was not only with where and Spears
Speaker 1: in the first round, but you had Kevin Burnett in
Speaker 1: the second round. He was a really good player, of
Speaker 1: course he hadn't knee issues. And then you had Marian
Speaker 1: Barber in the fourth round, Chris Canty in the fourth round,
Speaker 1: Jay Rattler, a four time pro bowler in the seventh round,
Speaker 1: and Rob Pettiti remember Rock in the seth round. He
Speaker 1: came in as a walk in starter at right tackle
Speaker 1: for that team. Do you remember how Parcel has always
Speaker 1: talked about him that per tit that the TD He
Speaker 1: would always say that Pettiti, but he actually started, I
Speaker 1: mean he started that rookie. That's how that offensive line
Speaker 1: they needed so much help. That guy actually started before
Speaker 1: and he didn't play, But what a year or two
Speaker 1: in the league. Hey, And there's proof that. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at the guys the third day of the draft
Speaker 1: that they guy who were starters in this league, from
Speaker 1: Barber to Knty to Ratlup in the seventh round to
Speaker 1: Patit in the sixth round. And really, I think if
Speaker 1: you look at the way the draft, the interest in
Speaker 1: the draft over the last fifteen years, it started about
Speaker 1: during that time. And I think the big thing that
Speaker 1: happened that got fans and media more interested in the
Speaker 1: draft than ever before was the advent of YouTube. When
Speaker 1: YouTube started and videos could be posted, and for those
Speaker 1: of us who had football withdrawals, a week after the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, you can then start focusing on the draft.
Speaker 1: And I started watching the entire college football season, which
Speaker 1: I don't have time to during the as much of
Speaker 1: during the fall, and where I'm just dying. You know,
Speaker 1: I've got a big green note you're looking there, twenty times,
Speaker 1: even years of big green notebooks. I just found in
Speaker 1: a drawer over here, and uh, I just love it
Speaker 1: because of that. And I do think that because we
Speaker 1: now can act as scouts ourselves. It's just drive by
Speaker 1: scouting on YouTube, but you can actually see footage of
Speaker 1: these guys, which is in sharp contrast to player than
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. And you know, and Bill and what
Speaker 1: it's done not only helped us, but it's helped the
Speaker 1: fans out there, our listeners, because now everybody can be
Speaker 1: an expert, or at least an expert in what they see.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I can remember way back to
Speaker 1: high school when I was a sophomore and our our
Speaker 1: head football coach would say, tape don't lie. And he
Speaker 1: would just say it over and over and over again, right,
Speaker 1: and we had guys on the team that would try
Speaker 1: to plead their case and he goes, well, okay, let's see,
Speaker 1: let's put this on. And he goes, so what, you
Speaker 1: didn't do nothing there? You missed your assignment, you didn't
Speaker 1: make the tackle. And it was pretty funny. But I
Speaker 1: always forget that. I would ever forget that tape don't
Speaker 1: lie school coach Mickey, uh football coach. Yes, sophomore year
Speaker 1: in high school, did they have tape MC then Mickey,
Speaker 1: we had or was the same film Don't Lie? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. We heard from Jerry Jones and uh, Micha
Speaker 1: McCarthy and Stephen Jones with the first ever virtual pre
Speaker 1: draft press conference on Tuesday, And what's your takeaway from
Speaker 1: what you heard in that? Well? Uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: think from a preparation standpoint, they sounded pretty confident that
Speaker 1: they were able to do from all their separate places
Speaker 1: by streaming their their meetings for the past two weeks together. Uh,
Speaker 1: that they felt like they were very prepared. I think
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones said, we've probably are as prepared as we've
Speaker 1: ever been. And this is kind of a new coaching staff.
Speaker 1: But he said because it was all this virtual stuff
Speaker 1: streaming off big screens, he goes, everybody was very concise
Speaker 1: on their assessment of the different players they were talking about,
Speaker 1: and he felt like the preparation went well. And you know, Bill,
Speaker 1: when we'd be at the at the Ranch or the Star,
Speaker 1: you know, the two weeks prior to this week, they
Speaker 1: would go two days and go position by position ranking
Speaker 1: their board, and they were able to do that and
Speaker 1: felt very confident. So I thought that certainly was a
Speaker 1: good thing that they felt like they're prepared, like there's
Speaker 1: no excuse for you know, something going wrong or making
Speaker 1: a bad pick or whatever. They feel like they've they've
Speaker 1: done their evaluations to their satisfaction, and Mike McCarthy was
Speaker 1: kind of impressed on how seamlessly the preparation went. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, there's a lot of people that are going
Speaker 1: to be watching. Of course, this is the only sporting
Speaker 1: event of sorts that we have in American society over
Speaker 1: this long period here, and so I think the TV
Speaker 1: ratings are going to be through the roof, especially because
Speaker 1: everyone's sitting at home with nothing to watch. But they're
Speaker 1: also going to be watching to see if there are
Speaker 1: any glitches along the way. And I think just sort
Speaker 1: of as a society, as as media and fans, we
Speaker 1: should give them some grace on this that, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be some glitches naturally, I mean there's glitches and
Speaker 1: everything that everybody's doing right now, and so let's let's
Speaker 1: give them some grace if there are some difficulties at times.
Speaker 1: Absolutely everything's I mean, it's not going to be perfect.
Speaker 1: If you think what you're trying to do connecting thirty
Speaker 1: two teams with the NFL office along with themselves, and
Speaker 1: then hat making sure that within the organization, like the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: that they have direct phone lines. Jerry has one to Steven,
Speaker 1: to Will McClay, to Mike McCarthy and whoever Elsie needs,
Speaker 1: and then bringing all these guys on their streaming device
Speaker 1: when it's to talk about what's going on, and to
Speaker 1: the point of having phones hooked up for trades. It's
Speaker 1: a pretty big undertaking. But you know what, I had
Speaker 1: found out that from from a broadcast standpoint and a
Speaker 1: draft standpoint Major League Soccer in January before they had
Speaker 1: to do this did it. They basically had a virtual draft,
Speaker 1: And I watched the w NBA draft a little bit
Speaker 1: and they didn't seem to have many problems either. Now
Speaker 1: we're talking twelve teams, not thirty two, So yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I thought. The good thing that Jerry said is when
Speaker 1: they did the mock on Monday league wide that when
Speaker 1: they had a glitch, they had backup to the backup,
Speaker 1: to the backup, and they were able to employ those
Speaker 1: to take care of whatever problem they might have come
Speaker 1: up with, because who knows, uh, you know, I was
Speaker 1: I was writing today on for Mick Shots it will
Speaker 1: be posted on Dallas Cowboys dot com. I said, what
Speaker 1: if the internet decides to go on strike? The drafts off? Right? Well?
Speaker 1: And I think I think the bigger issue will be
Speaker 1: communication amongst fellow employees, like communication between Jerry and Steven
Speaker 1: and Mike McCarthy and position coaches that they may want
Speaker 1: to talk to and everything. I would like to I
Speaker 1: wasn't able to sit in on the press conference yesterday.
Speaker 1: I'd like to know what their setup is going to be.
Speaker 1: Are they going to have their own video conference call
Speaker 1: going on on a couple of monitors, maybe just as
Speaker 1: a backup to make sure as well. But I'm not
Speaker 1: as concerned about the trades. I mean, the trades get
Speaker 1: pulled off, just like they always do. We can still
Speaker 1: use phone lines, yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly right, And and look,
Speaker 1: they've had problems with trades before, right. I was just
Speaker 1: right writing about the first trade that Jerry and Jimmy
Speaker 1: ever did in that nineteen eighty nine draft. It was
Speaker 1: in the second round. And I don't know if people
Speaker 1: remember or not, but the Cowboys were on the clock
Speaker 1: and they were talking with the Raiders about doing a trade,
Speaker 1: and they ran. They were running out of time. So
Speaker 1: the Raiders basically said, okay, you take you take the
Speaker 1: guard was Nuski, Steve was Nwski for us, and then
Speaker 1: when it's our pick ten picks later, we'll take Darryl
Speaker 1: Johnson for you, and then we'll trade. And that's how
Speaker 1: they did because they ran out of time. And how
Speaker 1: many times have the Cowboys actually let the clock expire
Speaker 1: right that one year and they went and running up
Speaker 1: there and it was like they got chewed out, like
Speaker 1: don't you ever do that again? Right? So, yeah, things
Speaker 1: that during the regular draft have had problems too. All Right,
Speaker 1: how about we dive into this draft and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be very interesting to see what the Cowboys do at
Speaker 1: number seventeen. Prospects of trading up, trading back? What, I
Speaker 1: don't think there are very good prospects of trading up.
Speaker 1: I think there's much If they're gonna make a trade,
Speaker 1: they'll be trading back. Yeah. If if they had one
Speaker 1: position or one player that was going to turn this
Speaker 1: whole thing around or make them take that next step,
Speaker 1: then okay, fine trade up. But I don't think they
Speaker 1: see that. And certainly, when Jerry was asked about possibly
Speaker 1: using that first round pick to trade for a veteran player,
Speaker 1: and no player was mentioned, but everybody knows what the
Speaker 1: question was, would you trade for Jamal Adams, the safety
Speaker 1: from the Jets, and Jerry's answered a trading that pick
Speaker 1: for a veteran player player was highly unlikely, And this
Speaker 1: point is, it costs too much. Not only does it
Speaker 1: cost you a first round pick and probably more because
Speaker 1: if you remember when this came up last year with
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams, the Jets wanted to first in a second
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys drew the line said no way. But
Speaker 1: it also cost you salary cap money. So the key
Speaker 1: thing is when you've got high priced players like the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have right now, Dak's gonna make now thirty one
Speaker 1: point four for sure on the franchise tag, if that's
Speaker 1: what it is. And then you've got a Marie Cooper
Speaker 1: you're paying, you're paying to Marcus Lawrence. You know you've
Speaker 1: got some high salaries you're paying Zeke. You've got to
Speaker 1: supplement your roster with draft choices because that's the less
Speaker 1: the least expensive way to get good players on your
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster. So yeah, trading up to me
Speaker 1: seems unlikely unless it's a spot or two. Maybe, uh,
Speaker 1: you can do that, but put to trade a lot
Speaker 1: to get one person, I don't think that's likely. I
Speaker 1: think the more likely thing is that they trade down,
Speaker 1: you know. And Steven Jones talked about it on the
Speaker 1: on the draft uh conference call uh, talking about, well,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say. You got to tell me what
Speaker 1: the board says. When when we get on the clock,
Speaker 1: you know what's left not only at that position, but
Speaker 1: what's left after that if you wanted to move down,
Speaker 1: and you know, they It reminded me Bill of that
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen season when the Cowboys were they were I
Speaker 1: believe it was eighteen and and and they they they
Speaker 1: didn't like what they saw and they had their eye
Speaker 1: on a center. It happened to be Travis Frederick, and
Speaker 1: they traded down with San Francisco all the way to
Speaker 1: thirty one. Uh, And they got Frederick at thirty one
Speaker 1: and picked up a third round pick that ended up
Speaker 1: being Arrence Williams. And say what you want about Terrence Williams,
Speaker 1: but he ended up being a starter for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: for several years before he flamed out. So that was
Speaker 1: a case of okay, everybody criticized the pick, Oh, you
Speaker 1: could have got him in the second or third round. Well,
Speaker 1: how do you know that? There was no int right,
Speaker 1: they ended up with a five time pro bowler by
Speaker 1: trading down. You know, if you look at that twenty
Speaker 1: thirteen draft, that was the best thing by far that
Speaker 1: they did in that draft too, straight taking Travis Frederick,
Speaker 1: they took that pick to take Terrence Williams. Because in
Speaker 1: the second round they took Gavin Escobar and their other
Speaker 1: third round pick was JJ Wilcox. After that in the
Speaker 1: fourth round, b W Webb, fifth round, Joseph Randall, and
Speaker 1: DeVante Holliman was in the sixth round. Now, in Holliman's case,
Speaker 1: he had an injury which short circuited his career. But
Speaker 1: that was definitely the best thing they did. And to
Speaker 1: your point earlier about where they are as far as
Speaker 1: the salary cap and now with a quarterback that right
Speaker 1: now is on the books for thirty one and a
Speaker 1: half million dollars, you need to invest in. You need
Speaker 1: to have a good draft because you need to have
Speaker 1: these guys come in and contribute, which to the point off,
Speaker 1: if you're a guy that or the one or two
Speaker 1: guys that you really would want at seventeen or not there,
Speaker 1: Trading back picking up an extra third round pick might
Speaker 1: be the way to go just to be able to
Speaker 1: build those those needs you that you have right now.
Speaker 1: And Bill think about it. You know everybody wants to
Speaker 1: right away, even before the draft, judge teams off off
Speaker 1: seasons and give them grades. Right Well, the Cowboys what
Speaker 1: they did in free agency so far is they just
Speaker 1: kind of plugged holes. It didn't like they sunk their
Speaker 1: teeth into anything that's going to turn them around. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's make sure we're covered here at defensive tackle. Let's
Speaker 1: make sure we're covered here at safety, uh and on
Speaker 1: and on. But to me, what they do in this
Speaker 1: draft will deter the level of success in this offseason
Speaker 1: because they need to hit, especially on those first two days,
Speaker 1: to get players to help them take that next step. Okay,
Speaker 1: specifically at seventeen. One guy who I've alluded to earlier,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Ware loves Calvan Chason. I like him too. When
Speaker 1: you look at him, you know, he was injured two
Speaker 1: years ago in twenty eighteen, had six sacks or so
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. What I like most about him though,
Speaker 1: is his potential. He's only twenty years old, turns twenty
Speaker 1: one later this year, a few months away. And you
Speaker 1: can see his athleticism, his ability to bend and get
Speaker 1: around a left tackle. But also from you know, Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy says, this is a four three defense, but obviously
Speaker 1: they wanted to be more of a hybrid type defense.
Speaker 1: And this guy is athletic enough unlike DeMarcus where and
Speaker 1: I think DeMarcus will to this. You know, he was
Speaker 1: best at pitted his ears back, going after the quarterback.
Speaker 1: He could cover a guy coming out of the back
Speaker 1: of Jason has that ability. He can go back and
Speaker 1: play some pass coverage too. You know, I could remember
Speaker 1: saying this about DeMarcus Ware when they are in a
Speaker 1: three four and it was like, I don't like DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Ware going backwards. I like him going forward. I don't
Speaker 1: want him covering anybody. But when you look at Jason,
Speaker 1: and I went back Bill and and I hadn't done
Speaker 1: this because I went to the National Championship game, so
Speaker 1: I never saw the TV broadcast and I went back
Speaker 1: and rewatched the game, and all of a sudden, boy
Speaker 1: eighteen was giving Clemson fits, no matter if he was
Speaker 1: sacking the quarterback. He was just affecting their offense so big,
Speaker 1: And I'm going, this guy's got so much talent, and
Speaker 1: you're right, he's young, he's got room to grow. You
Speaker 1: mentioned he didn't play in twenty eighteen because of the injury,
Speaker 1: and so he's young. He doesn't have that much experience.
Speaker 1: But you can see he's got some of those same
Speaker 1: quality And I'm not saying he's DeMarcus Ware, but he's
Speaker 1: got some of those same qualities, the same qualities. Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory has that unique ability to turn the corner and
Speaker 1: bend without losing your balance. That was something Tackle Charlton
Speaker 1: had trouble with. He would it seem like he had
Speaker 1: the athletic ability, but he couldn't keep his balance turning
Speaker 1: the corner. He would always fall slide out. This guy,
Speaker 1: I think so awfully good and to me, you know,
Speaker 1: I was thinking we'd save this to the end. But
Speaker 1: if if they're at seventeen and he's available, unless something
Speaker 1: weird happens and drops in their lap, he's got to
Speaker 1: be the guy. I think I agree with that. The
Speaker 1: other thing I love about him, I love is his confidence,
Speaker 1: his personality. He's got and I talked with DeMarcus about this,
Speaker 1: which you can see on the interview that had posted.
Speaker 1: He's got and DeMarcus he phrased it as an arrogance
Speaker 1: that he had. You know, DeMarcus himself had a quiet
Speaker 1: arrogance about him. Michael Irvin obviously had a fash arrogance
Speaker 1: about him. But the thing about Michael and Caleban has
Speaker 1: it appears that he has this same quality about him.
Speaker 1: You can see that he's got he's got some smarts
Speaker 1: about him. You know, when he's pulling your leg, there's
Speaker 1: a little gleaming in his eye that he knows he's
Speaker 1: pulling your leg, but he's still gonna pull your leg anyway.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the comment that he had at the
Speaker 1: combine where he says, it's obvious to be let's all
Speaker 1: be honest, I'm the most valuable player in this draft.
Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. I mean, he doesn't really
Speaker 1: mean that, but he's saying that because it's just an
Speaker 1: air that he has a quality. And then you see
Speaker 1: the shots of him in that National Championship game. I
Speaker 1: think maybe in the in the semifinal game where he's
Speaker 1: on the sideline, you can see it's it's genuine where
Speaker 1: he's leading the team and so forth. By the way,
Speaker 1: in that semifinal game against Oklahoma, Ceedee Lamb, which is
Speaker 1: a ball back behind the linebacking corps and Calebon runing
Speaker 1: down from behind. That showed a lot of what his
Speaker 1: speed is all about. You know, all you gotta do
Speaker 1: is google his interview at the Combine and it's it's
Speaker 1: probably a riveting I don't know, five ten minutes talking
Speaker 1: about the things you said and at any basic and
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing in here, but one of the things he said,
Speaker 1: do you want somebody that can do one thing? Or
Speaker 1: do you want somebody can't do three things? Because I
Speaker 1: can do all three things. I can rush the passer,
Speaker 1: I can stop the run, and I can cover. He goes,
Speaker 1: and if if it's me, I want somebody can do
Speaker 1: those three things, right, And so yeah, he's got a
Speaker 1: lot of self confidence. But he sneakingly says it. And
Speaker 1: I loved his I just loved his personality to go
Speaker 1: with the athletic ability there at seventeen all right, how
Speaker 1: important is it because a lot of people talking about
Speaker 1: the cornerback position, it appears reported Lady Cowboys have talked
Speaker 1: to a lot of use their thirty visits to talk
Speaker 1: to a lot of cornerbacks and safeties. A couple of
Speaker 1: guys SEJ Henderson looks like, if you believe the mock drafts,
Speaker 1: might get drafted before seventeen. But there's some others that
Speaker 1: they appear to be interested in. And then you got
Speaker 1: a safety in Xavier McKinney from Alabama who they might
Speaker 1: even be able to trade back. A few thoughts at Tech. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think they need one of each, but you
Speaker 1: can't have all three in the first round, so I
Speaker 1: think you have to have a list of priorities. What's
Speaker 1: more important? Is the defense add more important than the safety?
Speaker 1: Is the cornerback more important than the safety? How do
Speaker 1: you rank the cornerback versus the defensive end? Because I
Speaker 1: think you know the three guys you mentioned, they're all
Speaker 1: very talented, but which position can make the biggest impact
Speaker 1: on your team and not necessarily addressing a need? But
Speaker 1: defensive end is what they did in the Offseason's only
Speaker 1: a hope thing right now, right because you're hoping Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory gets reinstated. You're hoping Alden Smith gets reinstated, and
Speaker 1: even if they do, then you're hoping that they're still
Speaker 1: the player they were when they once played, and neither
Speaker 1: of them have played football in quite some time. So
Speaker 1: the Cowboys addressed all these other positions, you know, and
Speaker 1: I understand you want to get better at cornerback after
Speaker 1: losing Byron Jones, but at least they resigned Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: So if you had to play tomorrow, you've got three corners,
Speaker 1: you can say, I can go out there and play
Speaker 1: with at defensive end on the right side, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, you got Tyrone Crawford, but he hadn't played,
Speaker 1: didn't play much last year, had two hip surgeries, and
Speaker 1: he's not really a pass rusher. He's a good, solid
Speaker 1: defensive end. So they need to address that pass rush
Speaker 1: edge guy, I think, and that would put me over
Speaker 1: the edge, so to speak, on a corner or a
Speaker 1: safety at that spot. Well, the other thing about the cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a bunch of veteran cornerbacks that are
Speaker 1: still out on the market in free agency, where after
Speaker 1: the draft they could go that route to bill a need. Uh.
Speaker 1: The other concern though, in the secondary is you have
Speaker 1: so many players now in their last year in their contract,
Speaker 1: including both starting corners and Jordan Lewis and Cheeta Aloozier,
Speaker 1: and then both starting safeties as it is right now,
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods as well as Hawk Clinton Dix. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it seems like, though what you said, you know that
Speaker 1: that run on defensive end is going to go real quick.
Speaker 1: And I think when you get in the second and
Speaker 1: third round, you may not the quality may not be
Speaker 1: as good as the quality you can get at cornerback
Speaker 1: or safety, or the quality you know you can get
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position, because I think there's some
Speaker 1: guys there that can play. And the other thing, Bill,
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about some of their needs and boyd,
Speaker 1: I just think they shouldn't go to sleep on the
Speaker 1: center position either because losing Travis Frederick. I know they
Speaker 1: signed Joe Looney, but again he signed for one year,
Speaker 1: and I understand the Giants had some interest in him
Speaker 1: if they were looking to cover themselves at the center position.
Speaker 1: I'm through Jason Garrett said, Hey, this guy can be
Speaker 1: a placeholder for us until we get a guy right,
Speaker 1: But I think you want better and they don't really
Speaker 1: have other alternatives. They've got Adam Redman. He didn't play
Speaker 1: last year and you're not sure what he can do.
Speaker 1: You talk about Connor McGovern moving the center, but do
Speaker 1: you really want to trust a guy that hadn't played
Speaker 1: center since twenty seventeen at Penn State to transition when
Speaker 1: there may not be an offseason, there may be a
Speaker 1: late start to training camp, and now you're going to
Speaker 1: take this guy and go he could be my starting center.
Speaker 1: So to me, there's some guys that you can get
Speaker 1: in the second, third round that can play the position.
Speaker 1: I think there are some center candidates that you can
Speaker 1: get on the third day even now. Whether they could
Speaker 1: could be a walk in starter, and that's that's highly
Speaker 1: up in the air, but they do have some options
Speaker 1: at the center position. All right, in our last five
Speaker 1: minutes or so, you're making let's talk wide receivers, because
Speaker 1: that is appears to be the real strength of this draft.
Speaker 1: There could be as many as a half dozen wide
Speaker 1: receivers that go in the first round. The Cowboys have
Speaker 1: an obvious need at the slot position on offense. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that that I sit here and
Speaker 1: wonder about, especially in this environment that we're in right now,
Speaker 1: we're not one hundred percent sure we're even going to
Speaker 1: have a season this year. I think best player available,
Speaker 1: even more so than usual, should be top of mind
Speaker 1: for not only the Cowboys, but every team. And if
Speaker 1: the best player available at seventeen is a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: especially one that can play in the slot, I think
Speaker 1: they've got to take a long, hard look at that.
Speaker 1: I would not argue with you one bit if they
Speaker 1: ended up taking a wide receiver because the offense you play,
Speaker 1: and I know what McCarthy likes to do. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna use three wide receivers, then you need three starting
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Well, the Cowboys have two. And what'sever behind
Speaker 1: everybody right now? You can't tell me that that guy's
Speaker 1: going to go out there and give me fifty eight
Speaker 1: catches for more than an eight hundred yards that Randall
Speaker 1: Cobb did last year. You got to replace that. That's important.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just think you can't go to sleep
Speaker 1: on the wide receiver position. And you know, you should
Speaker 1: open up that big green notebook and tell me if
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, three of these wide receivers could
Speaker 1: go before the Cowboys even draft, but you know, something
Speaker 1: that might be available even in the second round. I
Speaker 1: could see using a second round pick on a guy
Speaker 1: that can play in the slot. My concern with the
Speaker 1: second round is I think that there's gonna will likely
Speaker 1: be a run on these wide receivers. I think David Jeremiah,
Speaker 1: or to Daniel Jeremiah said it's his dad is David Jeremiah.
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah said that he's got twenty wide receivers in
Speaker 1: the top one hundred picks. I believe that was the
Speaker 1: number that he had. But I think once you get
Speaker 1: past the first seven or eight, it's by the time
Speaker 1: you're picking at fifty one in the second round, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be like any other wide receiver draft, because the
Speaker 1: really good ones, the difference makers, are gonna be taken
Speaker 1: in the first thirty five picks. Probably. Okay, since you
Speaker 1: turned me on to this guy, I'm gonna let you
Speaker 1: talk about him. Leaviscas Chanal. I looking at him, and boy,
Speaker 1: that certainly looks like an interesting wide receiver. And to
Speaker 1: your point about Mike McCarthy offense, and we've seen what
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb we was able to do in that Green
Speaker 1: Bay offense, and it even last year with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: A guy who has run after catchability in the slot
Speaker 1: and Labiscus Chenault, who by the way, is six foot
Speaker 1: five eights inch tall two hundred and twenty seven pounds.
Speaker 1: He lifts at Colorado. He lifts with the offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: He is so strong because they have to change the
Speaker 1: weights with the wide receivers, so they just Lebis could
Speaker 1: just go lift with the with the with the lineman instead.
Speaker 1: But he's got I mean, he had a phenomenal twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen season where he had a thousand yards receiving eighty
Speaker 1: six catches in nine games. Played not as much in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. One of the knocks against him or injuries,
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're In fact, he had core
Speaker 1: muscles surgery right after the Combine. He posted a video
Speaker 1: in the last couple of days showing him working out.
Speaker 1: Doctors say that, he said, I mean, he's about one
Speaker 1: hundred percent already from that. I don't think that's a concern. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know. Mike McIntyre, the former Cowboys assistant coach, was
Speaker 1: his head coach at Colorado. He says glowing things about him.
Speaker 1: I've reached out to him about him. Melt Tucker, who
Speaker 1: is a coach this past year at Colorado, says that
Speaker 1: he is one of those guys that you don't find
Speaker 1: a guy like this but maybe once in your coaching career.
Speaker 1: I mean that kind of athletic ability I saw. I
Speaker 1: saw one one draft Nick guy. His assessment of Channault
Speaker 1: was he's probably the best athlete in the draft and
Speaker 1: I think that speaks volumes. I also saw somebody in
Speaker 1: one of their mocks knock him for speed. He only
Speaker 1: ran a four or five eight at the combine. But
Speaker 1: what he did was he knew he had to have
Speaker 1: that surgery on that core muscle, but he ran anyway.
Speaker 1: That was one of the only things he did. Then
Speaker 1: give him for credit, give him credit for trying, But
Speaker 1: I did he is faster than that. So he ran
Speaker 1: a four or five seven with a sports heard you Yeah, basically, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: somebody knocked him that speeds the well, you got to
Speaker 1: point out why the speed was a problem. You get
Speaker 1: just say it with speed, But but what and he
Speaker 1: can play running back too, I mean you can hand
Speaker 1: them the ball. And remember Mike McCarthy used his wide receivers.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Ty Montgomery basically made the career switch
Speaker 1: from wide receiver to running back. I mean, can you
Speaker 1: imagine a Cowboys offense where you got Chinalt on the
Speaker 1: field and you don't know whether they're going to go
Speaker 1: power or you know, four wide or whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: You know, because they could line him up alongside Zeke
Speaker 1: and give it to either one of them absolutely, and
Speaker 1: then throw Pollard in the equation and you can have
Speaker 1: a very versatile offense. So you know, we've talked about
Speaker 1: all these positions, Bill, and I know we're getting close
Speaker 1: to running out of time. But the main thing I
Speaker 1: think for the Cowboys, and I think you mentioned it
Speaker 1: about best player available, especially at that first pick, they
Speaker 1: can remain flexible because they need a little bit of
Speaker 1: everything right. And my analogies I've been using on the
Speaker 1: streaming shows we've been doing is you see the dartboard
Speaker 1: behind me. If I replaced the numbers on the dartboard
Speaker 1: with a position and you blindfolded me and I threw
Speaker 1: a dart probably whatever I hit they need. I don't
Speaker 1: know that we can make an argument that nah, they
Speaker 1: don't need that. And Jerry and Mike brought it up
Speaker 1: yesterday in that conference call about a quarterback. Hey, the
Speaker 1: backers were known for drafting quarterbacks in later rounds, the
Speaker 1: second or probably third day, and developing them and even
Speaker 1: if they don't turn into say you're backup, because you're
Speaker 1: set on your starter that you've got value there. It's
Speaker 1: a piece that you can trade and make some money
Speaker 1: off if you develop the guy. Now, the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: tried that, they failed a couple times. Stephen McGee, that
Speaker 1: was kind of their idea there. Now their idea with
Speaker 1: Dak was the same thing. Not knowing Tony was going
Speaker 1: to get hurt and he had to end up being played.
Speaker 1: But so if my Dart hits quarterback, Yeah, at some
Speaker 1: point in this draft, take one. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: and you look at it, Yeah, Dak has been healthy
Speaker 1: if you had his career so far. But you would
Speaker 1: love to have a quarterback who you really have some
Speaker 1: trust in, who has skins on the wall in his
Speaker 1: college career, who for the next four years can be
Speaker 1: your backup. And you know, and in a pinch, you
Speaker 1: feel pretty comfortable that you're not going to lose what
Speaker 1: you've put into this team because of the uncertainty at
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback position. All right, so we're bad out
Speaker 1: of time, you will make your pick now. I still
Speaker 1: say I've taken with my sticking with my LSU guy
Speaker 1: Cavalon Chason Haired for me to say it that kay
Speaker 1: Levan Chasan kind of runs together, but I like him. Well.
Speaker 1: I think the dream draft would be if somehow Laviska
Speaker 1: fell the fifty one to the second round. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Levon first in Laviska in the second round. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem taking Laviska in the first
Speaker 1: round myself. And maybe you trade back, and yeah, got
Speaker 1: an to pick and and you know one position we
Speaker 1: didn't touch and I know we got to go is
Speaker 1: who's your backup swing offensive tackle. By the way, that's
Speaker 1: that's another one. I got a name for you, Hakim Idenagy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, did you kids pronouncing that he's from Kansas? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: Iddenagy and he could play. He's from Garland High School.
Speaker 1: Jeff Jordan, I remember Jeff. Yeah, he's some freelance work
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys scouting department through the years, and he
Speaker 1: wound up being in Kansas. He followed David Beatie, the
Speaker 1: hit coach, up there, and Iddenagy went up there. And
Speaker 1: he's a he's a good looking prospect as a swinging
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Whether it's a tackle or guard just in
Speaker 1: fourth round or so, fourth or fifth round. There you go.
Speaker 1: So we even eliminated any position. I don't think. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun to watch and we will reconvene
Speaker 1: at some point to see how right we were. Right absolutely, Bill,
Speaker 1: and thanks for being with us on Mick Shots