WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Veteran Schoolers of the NFL Draft 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:16.040 There you go, Nicky Spagnola, that's time for a special 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.800 in thishod of mixed shots on the day before the 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:25.640 National Football League Draft, Old School with the old Gilboys 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.840 Fike song. It's time to get fired up for the 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:34.760 twenty twenty National Football League Draft. Bill Jones with Nicky Spagnola. 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.360 I love that Fike song, and Nicky, as you know, 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.560 I love the NFL Draft. Yes, absolutely, And I bet 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:45.320 you're acting like tomorrow is gonna be Christmas. Uh, great 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:49.519 old school song for two veteran uh schoolers. Right, I'm 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:52.560 not calling us old schoolers. We're veteran schoolers right now. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:56.320 Uh doing mix shots here day before the draft. And yeah, 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:00.000 and I can't wait, Bill for just something that's real now, 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:04.880 anything that's a mock, not anythings that's I this or 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.280 E that. It's it's going to be actually the first 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:13.920 real sports since the middle of March. Yep. And let's 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.600 gonna we're gonna spend about a half hour here talking 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.039 about it. We're doing it a little bit differently this week. 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.120 The folks at Dallas Cowboys dot Com getting set for 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.679 the draft, and so we're doing our own little zoom 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.759 mix shots and which is now being posted on Dallas 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:32.800 Cowboys dot com, which is where most of you are 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:36.000 seeing this, but we're also posting it on YouTube and 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.920 tweeting it out as well. And you know, Mickey really 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.880 our each of us. Our history with the NFL Draft 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.880 goes back a long ways, but really with Dallas with 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:52.840 the old Dallas Cowboys channel, where we really started diving 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.200 into the draft on a regular basis. Was I think 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.160 back in that two thousand and five draft when DeMarcus 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.800 Ware was a number one pick and Marcus Spears also 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:03.920 went in the first round and we had a lot 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.280 of programming time to Bill back then, and so we 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.800 talked a little a few weeks ago about interviewing DeMarcus 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.320 Ware's high school coach, and I think we interviewed Marcus 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.720 Spears as well. That was one of the best drafts 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.840 in Cowboys history. And of course DeMarcus Ware is going 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:24.079 to be a part of the Cowboys Virtual Draft watch 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.600 party along with Jamie Fox on Thursday night and Micky. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:31.000 It just so happens to be tomorrow on Thursday, the 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.960 first day of the draft, is also the fifteen year 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:38.079 anniversary of when the Cowboys drafted DeMarcus Ware and Marcus 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.480 Spears in the first round. You know, bell funny you 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:46.680 bring up Talking Cowboys because I'm upstairs and kind of 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.079 the game room, and I've got a lot of stuff 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.680 stored away, not stored away, just kind of sitting around. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:59.119 And I found this big black, kind of small folder 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:03.200 case and I opened it up and there must be 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:08.840 fifteen Talking Cowboys discs in there, and I would agree, 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.280 and I didn't. I haven't used him. They had dates 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:13.160 on him, it didn't have the year, and I'm wondering 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.040 if it's from back in two thousand and five or 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.760 two thousand and six when we were doing the show. 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:22.400 But as if I don't have time on my hands now, right, 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.280 I'm gonna put one in when I do and see 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.840 what I've got. But yeah, that was a long long 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.919 time ago when we and we nailed that draft too, 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.880 about by the way, in two thousands, we nailed that 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.040 draft better than Bill Parcels. Yes, we did it that. 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:42.720 You're right ourselves wanted to take Spears first, right, yes, absolutely, 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:47.520 And now look those guys are today. DeMarcus ware on 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.600 his way after he waits a while to get into 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.320 the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Marcus Spears on ESPN 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:58.200 and a really good voice there too, analyzing thing. He's 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:03.560 a great personality. Yeah, yeah, And and I actually did 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.440 a little zoom interview with DeMarcus Ware which I posted 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.760 on CBS eleven. Bill Jones, you can take a good 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.920 ten or twelve minutes talking with DeMarcus about posting the 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.560 watch party and about that draft. And by the way, 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.359 the guy that he wants the Cowboys to draft is 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:22.600 another edge rusher. Imagine that Gay Levan Chason from LSU, 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.640 so you can hear his thoughts on that as well. 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.800 But talking about that two thousand and five ground one, 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.919 a draft that was not only with where and Spears 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.160 in the first round, but you had Kevin Burnett in 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.279 the second round. He was a really good player, of 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.279 course he hadn't knee issues. And then you had Marian 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.040 Barber in the fourth round, Chris Canty in the fourth round, 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.040 Jay Rattler, a four time pro bowler in the seventh round, 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:47.479 and Rob Pettiti remember Rock in the seth round. He 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.599 came in as a walk in starter at right tackle 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.560 for that team. Do you remember how Parcel has always 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.599 talked about him that per tit that the TD He 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:01.400 would always say that Pettiti, but he actually started, I 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.320 mean he started that rookie. That's how that offensive line 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.400 they needed so much help. That guy actually started before 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.839 and he didn't play, But what a year or two 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.760 in the league. Hey, And there's proof that. I mean, 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.600 look at the guys the third day of the draft 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.719 that they guy who were starters in this league, from 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.360 Barber to Knty to Ratlup in the seventh round to 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.440 Patit in the sixth round. And really, I think if 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.760 you look at the way the draft, the interest in 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:34.320 the draft over the last fifteen years, it started about 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.440 during that time. And I think the big thing that 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:40.920 happened that got fans and media more interested in the 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:44.760 draft than ever before was the advent of YouTube. When 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:49.640 YouTube started and videos could be posted, and for those 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.560 of us who had football withdrawals, a week after the 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.800 Super Bowl, you can then start focusing on the draft. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.040 And I started watching the entire college football season, which 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.719 I don't have time to during the as much of 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.480 during the fall, and where I'm just dying. You know, 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:09.360 I've got a big green note you're looking there, twenty times, 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.120 even years of big green notebooks. I just found in 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.719 a drawer over here, and uh, I just love it 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.440 because of that. And I do think that because we 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.000 now can act as scouts ourselves. It's just drive by 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.640 scouting on YouTube, but you can actually see footage of 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.520 these guys, which is in sharp contrast to player than 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.080 fifteen years ago. And you know, and Bill and what 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.680 it's done not only helped us, but it's helped the 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.120 fans out there, our listeners, because now everybody can be 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.200 an expert, or at least an expert in what they see. 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.400 I mean, you know, I can remember way back to 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.760 high school when I was a sophomore and our our 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.880 head football coach would say, tape don't lie. And he 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.960 would just say it over and over and over again, right, 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.240 and we had guys on the team that would try 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.800 to plead their case and he goes, well, okay, let's see, 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:01.240 let's put this on. And he goes, so what, you 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.400 didn't do nothing there? You missed your assignment, you didn't 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.080 make the tackle. And it was pretty funny. But I 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.560 always forget that. I would ever forget that tape don't 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:14.440 lie school coach Mickey, uh football coach. Yes, sophomore year 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.880 in high school, did they have tape MC then Mickey, 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:25.119 we had or was the same film Don't Lie? Yeah, 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:30.040 all right. We heard from Jerry Jones and uh, Micha 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:35.880 McCarthy and Stephen Jones with the first ever virtual pre 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:40.960 draft press conference on Tuesday, And what's your takeaway from 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.480 what you heard in that? Well? Uh, you know, I 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:49.080 think from a preparation standpoint, they sounded pretty confident that 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.920 they were able to do from all their separate places 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:59.160 by streaming their their meetings for the past two weeks together. Uh, 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.480 that they felt like they were very prepared. I think 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.320 Jerry Jones said, we've probably are as prepared as we've 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.360 ever been. And this is kind of a new coaching staff. 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.280 But he said because it was all this virtual stuff 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.640 streaming off big screens, he goes, everybody was very concise 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.960 on their assessment of the different players they were talking about, 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.880 and he felt like the preparation went well. And you know, Bill, 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.000 when we'd be at the at the Ranch or the Star, 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.720 you know, the two weeks prior to this week, they 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:36.160 would go two days and go position by position ranking 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.760 their board, and they were able to do that and 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.520 felt very confident. So I thought that certainly was a 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.679 good thing that they felt like they're prepared, like there's 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:49.640 no excuse for you know, something going wrong or making 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.600 a bad pick or whatever. They feel like they've they've 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:56.480 done their evaluations to their satisfaction, and Mike McCarthy was 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:01.280 kind of impressed on how seamlessly the preparation went. Yeah, 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:03.560 I know, there's a lot of people that are going 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:07.600 to be watching. Of course, this is the only sporting 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.040 event of sorts that we have in American society over 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.520 this long period here, and so I think the TV 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.320 ratings are going to be through the roof, especially because 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.720 everyone's sitting at home with nothing to watch. But they're 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.640 also going to be watching to see if there are 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:28.560 any glitches along the way. And I think just sort 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:32.600 of as a society, as as media and fans, we 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:36.040 should give them some grace on this that, yeah, there's 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.599 gonna be some glitches naturally, I mean there's glitches and 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:42.320 everything that everybody's doing right now, and so let's let's 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.760 give them some grace if there are some difficulties at times. 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.560 Absolutely everything's I mean, it's not going to be perfect. 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:52.000 If you think what you're trying to do connecting thirty 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:57.839 two teams with the NFL office along with themselves, and 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:02.800 then hat making sure that within the organization, like the Cowboys, 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:07.120 that they have direct phone lines. Jerry has one to Steven, 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:12.080 to Will McClay, to Mike McCarthy and whoever Elsie needs, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.280 and then bringing all these guys on their streaming device 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.680 when it's to talk about what's going on, and to 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.520 the point of having phones hooked up for trades. It's 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.800 a pretty big undertaking. But you know what, I had 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:30.840 found out that from from a broadcast standpoint and a 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:35.520 draft standpoint Major League Soccer in January before they had 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:39.480 to do this did it. They basically had a virtual draft, 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.560 And I watched the w NBA draft a little bit 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.400 and they didn't seem to have many problems either. Now 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:50.760 we're talking twelve teams, not thirty two, So yeah, I'm sure. 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.320 I thought. The good thing that Jerry said is when 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:57.719 they did the mock on Monday league wide that when 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.720 they had a glitch, they had backup to the backup, 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:05.400 to the backup, and they were able to employ those 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.640 to take care of whatever problem they might have come 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:10.920 up with, because who knows, uh, you know, I was 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.960 I was writing today on for Mick Shots it will 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:16.480 be posted on Dallas Cowboys dot com. I said, what 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:21.920 if the internet decides to go on strike? The drafts off? Right? Well? 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.200 And I think I think the bigger issue will be 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:33.080 communication amongst fellow employees, like communication between Jerry and Steven 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.400 and Mike McCarthy and position coaches that they may want 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:39.160 to talk to and everything. I would like to I 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.920 wasn't able to sit in on the press conference yesterday. 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.040 I'd like to know what their setup is going to be. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:48.640 Are they going to have their own video conference call 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.440 going on on a couple of monitors, maybe just as 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.439 a backup to make sure as well. But I'm not 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.439 as concerned about the trades. I mean, the trades get 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.800 pulled off, just like they always do. We can still 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:04.160 use phone lines, yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly right, And and look, 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.959 they've had problems with trades before, right. I was just 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:12.160 right writing about the first trade that Jerry and Jimmy 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.719 ever did in that nineteen eighty nine draft. It was 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:17.640 in the second round. And I don't know if people 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.880 remember or not, but the Cowboys were on the clock 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:27.160 and they were talking with the Raiders about doing a trade, 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.160 and they ran. They were running out of time. So 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:37.079 the Raiders basically said, okay, you take you take the 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:41.040 guard was Nuski, Steve was Nwski for us, and then 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.480 when it's our pick ten picks later, we'll take Darryl 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.320 Johnson for you, and then we'll trade. And that's how 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.920 they did because they ran out of time. And how 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.280 many times have the Cowboys actually let the clock expire 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.480 right that one year and they went and running up 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.800 there and it was like they got chewed out, like 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.280 don't you ever do that again? Right? So, yeah, things 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:07.760 that during the regular draft have had problems too. All Right, 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.760 how about we dive into this draft and it's gonna 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.920 be very interesting to see what the Cowboys do at 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:21.199 number seventeen. Prospects of trading up, trading back? What, I 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.160 don't think there are very good prospects of trading up. 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.200 I think there's much If they're gonna make a trade, 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.120 they'll be trading back. Yeah. If if they had one 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.760 position or one player that was going to turn this 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.800 whole thing around or make them take that next step, 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.360 then okay, fine trade up. But I don't think they 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:42.560 see that. And certainly, when Jerry was asked about possibly 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.360 using that first round pick to trade for a veteran player, 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.559 and no player was mentioned, but everybody knows what the 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.080 question was, would you trade for Jamal Adams, the safety 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:57.360 from the Jets, and Jerry's answered a trading that pick 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:01.800 for a veteran player player was highly unlikely, And this 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.920 point is, it costs too much. Not only does it 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:08.240 cost you a first round pick and probably more because 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.160 if you remember when this came up last year with 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.800 Jamal Adams, the Jets wanted to first in a second 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.040 and the Cowboys drew the line said no way. But 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.760 it also cost you salary cap money. So the key 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.440 thing is when you've got high priced players like the 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.160 Cowboys have right now, Dak's gonna make now thirty one 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.280 point four for sure on the franchise tag, if that's 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.560 what it is. And then you've got a Marie Cooper 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:38.080 you're paying, you're paying to Marcus Lawrence. You know you've 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.760 got some high salaries you're paying Zeke. You've got to 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:46.840 supplement your roster with draft choices because that's the less 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:50.600 the least expensive way to get good players on your 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.760 fifty three man roster. So yeah, trading up to me 0:14:55.480 --> 0:15:00.480 seems unlikely unless it's a spot or two. Maybe, uh, 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.520 you can do that, but put to trade a lot 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.440 to get one person, I don't think that's likely. I 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.600 think the more likely thing is that they trade down, 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.120 you know. And Steven Jones talked about it on the 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:18.440 on the draft uh conference call uh, talking about, well, 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.080 it's hard to say. You got to tell me what 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.520 the board says. When when we get on the clock, 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:26.440 you know what's left not only at that position, but 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.720 what's left after that if you wanted to move down, 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:34.000 and you know, they It reminded me Bill of that 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:39.120 twenty thirteen season when the Cowboys were they were I 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:44.400 believe it was eighteen and and and they they they 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.240 didn't like what they saw and they had their eye 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.760 on a center. It happened to be Travis Frederick, and 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.360 they traded down with San Francisco all the way to 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.760 thirty one. Uh, And they got Frederick at thirty one 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.520 and picked up a third round pick that ended up 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.040 being Arrence Williams. And say what you want about Terrence Williams, 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.720 but he ended up being a starter for the Cowboys 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:09.360 for several years before he flamed out. So that was 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:13.080 a case of okay, everybody criticized the pick, Oh, you 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.520 could have got him in the second or third round. Well, 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.120 how do you know that? There was no int right, 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.000 they ended up with a five time pro bowler by 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.840 trading down. You know, if you look at that twenty 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:29.360 thirteen draft, that was the best thing by far that 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.480 they did in that draft too, straight taking Travis Frederick, 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.800 they took that pick to take Terrence Williams. Because in 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.320 the second round they took Gavin Escobar and their other 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.680 third round pick was JJ Wilcox. After that in the 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.880 fourth round, b W Webb, fifth round, Joseph Randall, and 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.400 DeVante Holliman was in the sixth round. Now, in Holliman's case, 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.320 he had an injury which short circuited his career. But 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.760 that was definitely the best thing they did. And to 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.960 your point earlier about where they are as far as 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.080 the salary cap and now with a quarterback that right 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.000 now is on the books for thirty one and a 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.719 half million dollars, you need to invest in. You need 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.480 to have a good draft because you need to have 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.960 these guys come in and contribute, which to the point off, 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:15.320 if you're a guy that or the one or two 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.440 guys that you really would want at seventeen or not there, 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.520 Trading back picking up an extra third round pick might 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.960 be the way to go just to be able to 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.600 build those those needs you that you have right now. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.000 And Bill think about it. You know everybody wants to 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.720 right away, even before the draft, judge teams off off 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:39.480 seasons and give them grades. Right Well, the Cowboys what 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.440 they did in free agency so far is they just 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.199 kind of plugged holes. It didn't like they sunk their 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.960 teeth into anything that's going to turn them around. It's like, Okay, 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.000 let's make sure we're covered here at defensive tackle. Let's 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.080 make sure we're covered here at safety, uh and on 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.760 and on. But to me, what they do in this 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:04.680 draft will deter the level of success in this offseason 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.280 because they need to hit, especially on those first two days, 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.960 to get players to help them take that next step. Okay, 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:16.880 specifically at seventeen. One guy who I've alluded to earlier, 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:21.840 DeMarcus Ware loves Calvan Chason. I like him too. When 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.040 you look at him, you know, he was injured two 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.240 years ago in twenty eighteen, had six sacks or so 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.800 in twenty nineteen. What I like most about him though, 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.200 is his potential. He's only twenty years old, turns twenty 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.639 one later this year, a few months away. And you 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:43.600 can see his athleticism, his ability to bend and get 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:49.199 around a left tackle. But also from you know, Mike 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.080 McCarthy says, this is a four three defense, but obviously 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.040 they wanted to be more of a hybrid type defense. 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.720 And this guy is athletic enough unlike DeMarcus where and 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.720 I think DeMarcus will to this. You know, he was 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.400 best at pitted his ears back, going after the quarterback. 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:06.280 He could cover a guy coming out of the back 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:08.720 of Jason has that ability. He can go back and 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.199 play some pass coverage too. You know, I could remember 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.680 saying this about DeMarcus Ware when they are in a 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.120 three four and it was like, I don't like DeMarcus 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.720 Ware going backwards. I like him going forward. I don't 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.720 want him covering anybody. But when you look at Jason, 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.680 and I went back Bill and and I hadn't done 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.359 this because I went to the National Championship game, so 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.320 I never saw the TV broadcast and I went back 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.200 and rewatched the game, and all of a sudden, boy 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.440 eighteen was giving Clemson fits, no matter if he was 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:45.400 sacking the quarterback. He was just affecting their offense so big, 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.000 And I'm going, this guy's got so much talent, and 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:52.639 you're right, he's young, he's got room to grow. You 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:55.760 mentioned he didn't play in twenty eighteen because of the injury, 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.960 and so he's young. He doesn't have that much experience. 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.720 But you can see he's got some of those same 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.760 quality And I'm not saying he's DeMarcus Ware, but he's 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.080 got some of those same qualities, the same qualities. Randy 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.320 Gregory has that unique ability to turn the corner and 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:17.440 bend without losing your balance. That was something Tackle Charlton 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.879 had trouble with. He would it seem like he had 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.840 the athletic ability, but he couldn't keep his balance turning 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.880 the corner. He would always fall slide out. This guy, 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.320 I think so awfully good and to me, you know, 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.200 I was thinking we'd save this to the end. But 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:38.440 if if they're at seventeen and he's available, unless something 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:41.879 weird happens and drops in their lap, he's got to 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.639 be the guy. I think I agree with that. The 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:48.480 other thing I love about him, I love is his confidence, 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:52.359 his personality. He's got and I talked with DeMarcus about this, 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:54.680 which you can see on the interview that had posted. 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:59.280 He's got and DeMarcus he phrased it as an arrogance 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:03.560 that he had. You know, DeMarcus himself had a quiet 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:08.680 arrogance about him. Michael Irvin obviously had a fash arrogance 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.840 about him. But the thing about Michael and Caleban has 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.760 it appears that he has this same quality about him. 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:20.200 You can see that he's got he's got some smarts 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:24.160 about him. You know, when he's pulling your leg, there's 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:27.160 a little gleaming in his eye that he knows he's 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.680 pulling your leg, but he's still gonna pull your leg anyway. 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:31.480 I mean, like the comment that he had at the 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:35.320 combine where he says, it's obvious to be let's all 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:37.679 be honest, I'm the most valuable player in this draft. 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:40.200 It's as simple as that. I mean, he doesn't really 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.959 mean that, but he's saying that because it's just an 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.400 air that he has a quality. And then you see 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:47.800 the shots of him in that National Championship game. I 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.760 think maybe in the in the semifinal game where he's 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.920 on the sideline, you can see it's it's genuine where 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:56.360 he's leading the team and so forth. By the way, 0:21:56.400 --> 0:22:00.280 in that semifinal game against Oklahoma, Ceedee Lamb, which is 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:04.800 a ball back behind the linebacking corps and Calebon runing 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:06.879 down from behind. That showed a lot of what his 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.200 speed is all about. You know, all you gotta do 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:14.560 is google his interview at the Combine and it's it's 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:18.359 probably a riveting I don't know, five ten minutes talking 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:21.480 about the things you said and at any basic and 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:25.000 I'm paraphrasing in here, but one of the things he said, 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.520 do you want somebody that can do one thing? Or 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:29.960 do you want somebody can't do three things? Because I 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:32.880 can do all three things. I can rush the passer, 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:35.560 I can stop the run, and I can cover. He goes, 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:38.040 and if if it's me, I want somebody can do 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:43.399 those three things, right, And so yeah, he's got a 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:47.639 lot of self confidence. But he sneakingly says it. And 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:52.560 I loved his I just loved his personality to go 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:57.119 with the athletic ability there at seventeen all right, how 0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.280 important is it because a lot of people talking about 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.760 the cornerback position, it appears reported Lady Cowboys have talked 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:05.840 to a lot of use their thirty visits to talk 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:09.080 to a lot of cornerbacks and safeties. A couple of 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:13.960 guys SEJ Henderson looks like, if you believe the mock drafts, 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:17.200 might get drafted before seventeen. But there's some others that 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.240 they appear to be interested in. And then you got 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:22.959 a safety in Xavier McKinney from Alabama who they might 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.960 even be able to trade back. A few thoughts at Tech. Yeah, 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.119 and I think they need one of each, but you 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.040 can't have all three in the first round, so I 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:34.960 think you have to have a list of priorities. What's 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:38.560 more important? Is the defense add more important than the safety? 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:41.200