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Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from house stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles to Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry.

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Speaker 1: So it's stuff you should know what's going. It's going, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm like a little congested. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm not sick.

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Speaker 1: I just congested you every mote when you're sick anyway,

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Speaker 1: so who would know I'm not though. Look, I've got

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Speaker 1: like tons of energy. Look well, I had that weird

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Speaker 1: cough for three weeks when I got back from Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: It was very weird, and it wasn't like I was

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Speaker 1: post nasal drip. Oh really, maybe from allergies or something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's weird. I just couldn't kick it.

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Speaker 1: But I've kicked it. That's great, I can tell. Yeah. Uh, well,

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Speaker 1: I hope you feel better even though you're not sick. Thanks. Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm not sick because if you were sick,

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Speaker 1: you could possibly die and don't ate your body to science.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely true. I could, and I may I probably will. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When we did the organ donation podcast. Uh. Quite a

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Speaker 1: number of years ago this came up, and I think

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Speaker 1: we may have even said, let's do one on donating

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Speaker 1: your whole body, and here it is, years later, promised.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that you me most decidedly wants

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Speaker 1: to donate your body to science. Yeah. I think I

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Speaker 1: do too. Yeah, it's it seems like a pretty great

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Speaker 1: thing to do, agreed. Um, especially if by the time

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Speaker 1: body overseeing this. It might be nice. It would be nice.

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Speaker 1: It makes me feel a little better. Yeah. Yeah, Well

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Speaker 1: they do point out the article like the thought of

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Speaker 1: some people are just turned off by the thought of

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Speaker 1: your body being cut up. Um, I don't care. No,

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Speaker 1: I think that that is the first mental hurdle that

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Speaker 1: will donate my body to side. People are going to

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Speaker 1: be pouring over every part of your body naked while

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Speaker 1: you're dead on a table. And that's before they cut

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you can have a stipulation like to

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Speaker 1: American stipulation. That's not it. You're like, I have a

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Speaker 1: sock clause. Um. The other hurdle is uh, and I

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Speaker 1: never really thought about this was people just thinking about

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Speaker 1: like jerk medical students, like joking around and stuff. So

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Speaker 1: apparently that would be an enormous at least like doing

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Speaker 1: it for the class. It's an ethical breach. From what

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Speaker 1: It has taken very seriously. It's a very poor taste. Yeah. Um.

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Speaker 1: And so if you say donate your body to a

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Speaker 1: university and ends up being used for anatomical study, you

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Speaker 1: among m gross anatomy students. Right, Um, Probably they're going

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Speaker 1: They're going to refer to you and talk to you

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Speaker 1: by your name, so you will be a person to them.

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Speaker 1: You're not just a cadaver. You know, there's a lump

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Speaker 1: pointing out that this is a gift. This person gave

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Speaker 1: great that people get loaded. I can't find a date,

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Speaker 1: no problem. So um, once you get past that hurdle,

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Speaker 1: the the idea of being poked and prodded and looked

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Speaker 1: for transfusions, that body is a okay to go to

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Speaker 1: to say it's an act of charity. I never heard that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't miss any Sundays, my friend didn't. Nope. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there aren't any like hard and fast statistics. Because body

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Speaker 1: It's totally nuts. Man. Think about it. Organ donation heavily regulated,

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Speaker 1: And it also here's the other thing, Chuck, It doesn't

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Speaker 1: So sorry about that's right. So, I think the sentence

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Speaker 1: let's go back to the nineteenth century, early nineteenth century

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Speaker 1: and uh and Briton, they're using animals a lot of times,

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Speaker 1: or criminals, um, dead bodies of people that have been hanged. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: some other animals. Right in a pig. Great, it's very

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Speaker 1: serving as a teaching tool for medical students who need

425
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: to cut into these things. If you donate it to

426
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: a medical school, right. Um. So oh that was another

427
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: thing too. If you donated to say like a medical school,

428
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: you'll get your cremated remains back usually as well, um,

429
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: but it could be it will be well over a

430
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: year because they're going to use you for that year

431
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: of medical school. Yeah. And y'all, you know you're gonna

432
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: want to get right and your family get right with

433
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: your ceremonies and how that's handled because either won't have

434
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: your cream as or it might take a little while.

435
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: So just wrap your head around the fact that you're

436
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: just gonna have a memorial service for your loved one

437
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: that may not include remains. Um. And you know, some

438
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: people still don't like that idea of like like they

439
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: want a body there. Some people still need that closure

440
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: of seeing the the the dead body sounds awful, but

441
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: the problem is is that that is not going to

442
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: happen if you donate your body, because you can't be

443
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: donated embalmed, so you are shipped fresh, freshly dead. Yeah,

444
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: that's happened within a couple of days, Yeah, very quickly.

445
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: And in fact, grave robbers when that was at its height. Um,

446
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: people at some point in some graveyards used to their

447
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: family would guard the body for three or four days

448
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: until they figured it was you know, too late. You know, yeah,

449
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: I think I remember hearing that. Man crazy huh, it

450
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: really is. Um. So the point is the first step

451
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: to all this is to tell your family and then

452
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: get it down on paper, either in an advanced directive

453
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: or will or something like that, and then start looking around.

454
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah and uh, since a lot of these organizations will

455
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: pay for the remains and all that, like hopefully financial,

456
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: it's not a purely financial consideration. But you can't save

457
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: a lot of money by donating your body to science

458
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: because funerals and stuff like that is really expensive. That's right, chucking,

459
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: Actually that is Um. There's a post on get rich

460
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: Slowly dot com about donating your body to science to

461
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: save money. Really yeah, and um, I mean it's it's

462
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: a totally legitimate thing. The thing is is, um, you

463
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: want to have a backup just in case your body

464
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: is not accepted. You don't want to bet on the

465
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: idea that you don't have to save anything for funeral

466
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: costs because you're donating your body to science. Um. But yeah,

467
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean, like funerals cost several thousand dollars. Apparently, according

468
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: to this article. It was about a little under bucks

469
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: in two thou twelve and that's the average UM. And

470
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: then cremation is and up to six grand for a

471
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: UM a cremation with funeral service and all the bells

472
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: and whistles unless you bring your own coffee can and

473
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: save money that way Glubowsky reference. So you can save

474
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: all this money, especially if you go with a for

475
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: private company, UM, and just give it to your errors instead.

476
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: You know, uh what else, Well, there are some I

477
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: think we talked about the cons right, Yeah, maybe, um,

478
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: they have a section to hear about creative ways to

479
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: donate your body. Um, there are other things you can do. Yeah,

480
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: you can do donate your body to be used as

481
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: a crash test dummy. Well here's the thing. I don't

482
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: think you really necessarily have say over that. Like I

483
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: think when you donate your body you're donating it to

484
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: potentially all this stuff in the US. I think you

485
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: can donate it. Maybe I'm wrong. I didn't look it up.

486
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: I thought you could donate it directly to the n

487
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: h T s A. I don't know. Maybe so, or

488
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: you could like move to Michigan and make it that

489
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 1: much more likely that it will be used by them.

490
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: That's a good point. But they have they do use

491
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: bodies of crash tests on me. Yeah, they still do. Um,

492
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: there was a great there was a Wired article that

493
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: was really good, and then I saw another one called

494
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: the Driving Dead. Human cadaver is still used in car

495
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: crash testing. There's a place called the Laboratory of Technology

496
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: and Systems for Safety and Automobiles. Is that at Wayne State. No,

497
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 1: it's in Spain, uh in northern Spain, and it's one

498
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: of six places in the world where they still use

499
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: human body crash tests cadavers for crash tests. And it's

500
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: been happening for a long time. In the car companies

501
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: have distance themselves from it. They don't directly do it.

502
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: But what they do is they get the data from

503
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: these places that do it right because they don't want

504
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: to be directly tied to it. But four very famously

505
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven, I guess was testing an

506
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: inflatable rear seat belt. So I guess they said, um,

507
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: here's our rear seat belt. Why don't you see what happened,

508
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: you know with cadavers, And the National Highway UM Safety

509
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: Traffic Safety Administration says, oh, we know what you mean.

510
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: And so they get their hands on some cadavers and

511
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: they wrap them up in body stockings, cover their faces

512
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: as you see the pictures of that UM, and they

513
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: run them through the rigors and then do autopsies afterwards

514
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: to see what happened to the body after it was,

515
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, in this crash. Well, and you know, there's

516
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: lots of advantages obviously, you can even though biomechanics and

517
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: crash thees stummies now are like way better than they

518
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: used to be. Um, nothing beats a body. Nothing beats

519
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: a body. You know, you can't tell what's really gonna

520
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: happen to your internal organs. UM. It's also imperfect because

521
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 1: there are no two cadavers that are the same, so

522
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be consistent. Also, cadavers are usually older

523
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: and more fragile. UM. And also young cadavers are hard

524
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: to come by because the highest rate of death among

525
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: young people are car crashes. Yeah, a strange twist there

526
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: stuff to get young cadavers for that research. But there

527
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: was a guy in the nineteen thirties named Wawrence Patrick

528
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: from Wayne State University. I think you were talking about him,

529
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: and he was somewhat of a He was the guy

530
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: the crash test pilot. Yeah, Colonel Staff, he was sort

531
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: of like him. He was his own test dummy and

532
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: would just you know, throw himself downstairs and do all

533
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: sorts of stuff. And he even flung a cadaver down

534
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: a university elevator chaft to test the strength of a

535
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: human skull at one point and found like it can

536
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: hold up, yeah, pretty good. So he was I think

537
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: led the charge at Wayne State. And they still do

538
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: work there with cadavers in highway safety, don't they. It's well, yeah,

539
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: and it's so funny to me that this is like scandalous.

540
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: Apparently some leak at GM started like talking to the

541
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: media about how SAB was running tests using dead bodies.

542
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: It's like, that's a great use of a dead body

543
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: to like save other people's lives. There's this article from

544
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: a guy at Wayne State who wrote that could ever

545
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: save abouts annually thanks to serving as crash test dummies.

546
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: Um NASA actually used some as well, um to test

547
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: the O Ryan capsule because it just isn't the same

548
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: thing as using a robot or something like that, and

549
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: they certainly don't want to put humans in their first

550
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: live humans at least I don't understand why this is

551
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: at all scandalous. Again, I think donating your body is

552
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: a fantastic thing to do. I think it could get

553
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: scandalous and that, uh, which was what we're about to

554
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: talk about here with the body's exhibits, is how these

555
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: cadavers are sourced. Oh, that's where it gets scandalous. Uh. Well,

556
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: that was one of the other creative things you can

557
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: do if you want to donate your body to be

558
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: in one of those body exhibits. There are two main

559
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: ones that I saw, um, Body Worlds and Bodies the

560
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: exhibit the exhibit I can't remember which one the exhibition, sorry,

561
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: thank you me? And I saw that one. Have you

562
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: seen it? The one that's the one in Atlanta. It's

563
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: based out of Atlanta. Actually it's astounding, It is astounding.

564
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: But they have been dogged by criticism because one group

565
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: says that straight up, I think bodies the exhibition straight

566
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: up says these are probably criminals from China, and we're

567
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: gonna be straight up and say they're unclaimed bodies. The

568
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: other one is Body Worlds UM and that's been in

569
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: the US since two thousand four, and apparently they have

570
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: death certificates. But the paper trail cuts off at a

571
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: certain point, and they say it's with respect to anonymity.

572
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: But certain people have called them out and said, you

573
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: know what, you should have a paper trail like you

574
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: can't and equivocally say that these cadavers are all on

575
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: the up and up? Can they? And um, they say

576
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: they can. But they've come under a lot of fire,

577
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: and those exhibits have in general because of where they

578
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: get these bodies from. Well, now I feel dirty for

579
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: having seen that. Yeah, yeah, I mean like it's disrespectful

580
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: to the dead. Well. In two thousand eight, uh, in

581
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: New York, the Attorney General force Premier, which was the

582
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: company behind I think Body Worlds, to put a disclaimer

583
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: that said, this exhibit displays human remains of Chinese citizens

584
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: or residents which are originally received by the Chinese Bureau Police.

585
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: The Chinese Bureau of Police may receive bodies from Chinese prisons.

586
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: Premier cannot independently verify that the human remains you're viewing

587
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: are not those persons who are incarcerated in Chinese prisons. Uh. Yeah,

588
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: So they forced them to put that up pretty pretty

589
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: out there. They're putting it out there. They probably had

590
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: that sign after you pay your money to go in.

591
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: I doubt if it's by right beside the ticket booth.

592
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: But apparently you can donate your body, although I don't

593
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: know that you can because it sounds like they're not

594
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: sourcing from you know, donating from the United States. Yeah.

595
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: I saw somewhere that they have a list of like

596
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: twelve thousand living donors just waiting to donate their bodies. Yeah.

597
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: Who knows what's real or true anymore? Who knows. Uh.

598
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: The other thing you can do is what we talked

599
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: about in our awesome classic episode on body Farms. Uh,

600
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: if you want to help out forensics study, you can

601
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: donate your body to the University of Tennessee go Valls,

602
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: and you can be thrown out in the woods decomposed.

603
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: Right did you just say go Valls? Really? I have

604
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: to keep it consistent. That's cool, man. Yeah, the body

605
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: Farm episode was great. I think the only thing I

606
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: can't say is go get G A G A T

607
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: O R S, which is funny because, yeah, I don't

608
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: blame me, but my family's from Tennessee, so I can

609
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: root for most SEC teams except for the one in Florida.

610
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: Does none of it matters anyway? Um, did you hear

611
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: about the woman in New York whose body was accidentally

612
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: donated for medical science and her family was like, what

613
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: did you do with grandma? And the New York Medical

614
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: Examiner went, oh, I said, we planted a tree in

615
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: her honor, right, which apparently is what some medical schools

616
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: will do. They said, here's some money. We're really sorry.

617
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: That was apparently very traumatic for the family. I imagine

618
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: they said that that. Yeah, yeah, see, I'm not precious

619
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: about after I'm dead. I'm not precious about the this

620
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: lump of cells and skin that remains that to me,

621
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: that nothing to me. I'm totally with you, man, I

622
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: totally agree to me. The only thing is somebody profiting

623
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: off of a donation by anybody else what, no matter

624
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: what it is, whether it's a body part or money, whatever,

625
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: it's that's wrong. Yeah, respect my my spirit and who

626
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 1: I was, not this dead carcass on the table. That's

627
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: not me anymore, you know, that's right. I'm gone, buddy,

628
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: I'm up there with with the highwaymen. Oh yeah, I'm

629
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: flying a starship. Man. What else you got, uh? Skeleton?

630
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: The University of New Mexico and Albuquerque. I didn't look

631
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: up their mascot, but you said none of it matters anyway,

632
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: So I think they're the Lobos Lobos, I think so. Uh.

633
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: They have a skeleton collection even though they aren't on display. No,

634
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: and apparently the body farm in Tennessee, and that's we

635
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: should say, not the only body farm. There's several, um,

636
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Speaker 1: but the one in Tennessee will put you in their

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Speaker 1: skeleton collection afterward as well. You can be you can

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Speaker 1: be very useful there. Maybe I would like to be

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Speaker 1: We have a skeleton here at the house stuff works offices.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to be put alongside him. Did you ever

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00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: hear about the the skeleton of the Outlaw? I don't

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00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: remember his name, but he was like a real live

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Speaker 1: one of the last wild West outlaws UM in the

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Speaker 1: early twentieth century, and his body was put on display

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Speaker 1: by the coroner and the charge people in Nickel to

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Speaker 1: come look and sounds familiar from that. He uh he

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Speaker 1: ended up never being buried and he ended up in like, uh,

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00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: like one of those house of horrors that like one

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Speaker 1: of the rides spook ride or whatever they call him,

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00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: dark rides heard about that and um, it turned out

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Speaker 1: that somebody like was cleaning them or something once decades

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Speaker 1: later and like broke his hand off and realized, like,

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Speaker 1: that's a bone, and may this isn't a wax dummy.

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Speaker 1: And they figured out somebody figured out who it was

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Speaker 1: that it was this old criminal who was never buried

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Speaker 1: and ended up in a real carnival ride. I remember

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Speaker 1: hearing about that. That's crazy. Do you anything else? I

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Speaker 1: got nothing else? You could be turned into collagen to

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Speaker 1: be used for facelifts. Uh see, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: chase anybody away from this. I just think like I

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Speaker 1: want everybody to flood the market with donated bodies so

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Speaker 1: much so that like the price comes down and anybody

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Speaker 1: who's in it too, like who's bodied part pirate, gets

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Speaker 1: out of the business because it's not lucrative anymore. Bam. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Since check doesn't have anything more, and I don't either.

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Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about donating your body

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Speaker 1: to science a very virtuous thing to do, you can

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Speaker 1: type those words into search bar how stuff works dot com.

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Speaker 1: Since I said virtuous, it's time for listener mail. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna call this underwater towns. Hey, guys, And you mentioned

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Speaker 1: of an underwater town near you, and you caught my

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Speaker 1: attention and how droughts work. I'm originally from the cat Skills,

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Speaker 1: New York, where my family lived for a few generations,

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Speaker 1: and I still lived there in the summer. The round

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Speaker 1: out Round Doubt, I'm not sure it's Round Doubt Reservoir. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's always fascinating me because when you drive around it

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Speaker 1: takes a little time and you pass signs that read

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Speaker 1: former site of Eureka, former site of Montella, former site

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Speaker 1: of lack A Whack. After World War Two, with the

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Speaker 1: huge influx of g I s into New York City

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Speaker 1: and Long Island, more water was needed and the three

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Speaker 1: towns were condemned and flooded to create the reservoir. A

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Speaker 1: few years ago, my grandfather passed away and I became

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Speaker 1: interested in creating a family archive. One of the many

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Speaker 1: interesting things among my grandparents photos, papers, and other items

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Speaker 1: is the postcard that I sent to you. Uh picture

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Speaker 1: that is. It's not signed, but, according to my grandma,

688
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Speaker 1: was written by the postal employee of the town in

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Speaker 1: the last days of Eureka. It mentions on the back

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Speaker 1: that he's sending it in part because he thinks of

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Speaker 1: my great grandfather Bruce might want to photo of the

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Speaker 1: mill that his father built. Uh. The Rondoubt is a

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Speaker 1: water supply for New York City, so I wouldn't expect

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Speaker 1: any Gulf globes to start breaking the surface if the

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Speaker 1: water got low. But who knows. I have no idea

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Speaker 1: who's down there. Pretty interesting story. Here's the postcard. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I also think it's interesting. At the time, apparently only

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Speaker 1: a name in town was required to send a postcard,

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Speaker 1: and that is from Patrick. Thanks Patrick. And it was

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Speaker 1: pretty neat and I just think underwater towns or it's

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Speaker 1: kind of sad and kind of cool all at the

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Speaker 1: same time and creepy as long as you get people

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Speaker 1: out of there. We oh yeah, well, desially they warned

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Speaker 1: the residents first, I know, but you know how people are.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to leave their homes. Oh well, whatever,

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Speaker 1: they were warned. There you have it. Uh. If you

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Speaker 1: want to get in touch with Chuck or me or whoever,

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