1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: This is Michael Badgeley and you're listening to the Chargers 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. What's up, guys. Chris Hery with you on 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: a brand new episode of Chargers Weekly. Twenty twenty Training 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: Camp presented by so Far the Pads are on this week, 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: and I'm really excited about this interview coming up Jim Nagy, 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: executive director of the Reese's Senior Bowl. Four of the 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: six rookies that the Chargers selected in the twenty twenty 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: draft participated in the Senior Bowl. Jim's gonna give us 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: his insight on Justin Herbert on a Lohe Gilman on 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: Josh m Kelly on kJ Hill. We're also going to 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: talk about a few guys from the twenty nineteen Senior 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: Bowl now Zadderlee, Drew Tranquil, and Donald Parham. So as 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: you see these guys start to make plays over the 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, listen to Jim and his insight 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: from more perspective on the newest Chargers. All right, let's 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: bring in Jim Nagy, executive director of the Sea Your Bowl. 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: As we get into training camp. Jim, I thought you 18 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: would be the perfect person to break down some of 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: these young guys on the Chargers. Four of the six 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: draft picks were at the Senior Bowl in January, and 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: you go back a few years, there's always a few 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guys in the conversation before we start, though. 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: The Senior Bowl. Top fifty came out this morning. I 24 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: know you guys have been branding despite all the uncertainty 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: around college football right now. Yeah, Top two fifty, thanks 26 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: for having me on. Yeah, we're excited about it. Our 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: staff has been working really hard. I mean we jumped 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: on this year's draft class literally like two weeks after 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: last year's game when we wrapped up, so we've been 30 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: working since February. We've evalued over nine hundred guys and 31 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: really wintle it down to two fifty was really difficult. 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: Our watch list of the last couple of years has 33 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: been around five hundred. We didn't want to put out 34 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: that big of a list just because such a weird 35 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: year we're in right now with COVID and a lot 36 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: of schools now playing. So yeah, it was It's a 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: big day around the office. Work side, there's a you know, 38 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: a lot of schools are starting to repost graphics and stuff, 39 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of buzz going on, So we're 40 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: excited about it. It's cool. I saw it the sported 41 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: top two fifty. All right, So let's start with the 42 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl MVP Jim Justin Herbert. I mean through the 43 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: entire draft evaluation process, it started at the Senior Bowl. 44 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: What did you see from Justin during those key practices, 45 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: during the week and then obviously in the game. First, 46 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: I'll say this is about Justin. Um Like, going back 47 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: to his tape at Oregon last year. You know, the 48 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: more you watched, you really got a sense for he was. 49 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: He really carried that that offense, really carried that football team. 50 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: I mean they when they where they won eleven games 51 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: and you know, win the Rose Bowl. And you know, 52 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: he wasn't playing with the same people around him that 53 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: you know, some of these other quarterbacks were. You know, 54 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: he certainly didn't have the supporting cast of two. Uh 55 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: you go back the year before, a guy like Kyler Murray, like, 56 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't have those kind of skill weapons 57 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: around him. So, um, you know, we we thought very 58 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: high level highly of Justin. He came down here and 59 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: had an awesome week. I think one of the biggest 60 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: um you know, misnomers, whatever misperceptions in the draft or 61 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: draft process last year was that that Justin was introverted 62 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: and you know, people questioned his passion and things like that. 63 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: We saw none of that, Like it couldn't be further 64 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: from the truth. And frankly, like we put Justin in 65 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: a lot of situations last year around game week to 66 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: kind of kind of see how were you would adapt. 67 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: And so it's not just the practice week, it's not 68 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: just the game. There's a lot of stuff going on 69 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: around Mobile that week. So we had a we had 70 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: a concert downtown Mobile on Friday night, a free concert 71 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: with the band The Revivalist, and he got up on 72 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: stage in front of fifteen thousand people and introduced the band. Hopefully. 73 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: We went to children's hospitals to see him interact with 74 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: those kids and then just to see Like, to me, 75 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: the most telling thing with Justin during the week was 76 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: after the game, after he won the MVP. M to 77 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: see all the different guys from both team, his team 78 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: on the South and the North guys like to come 79 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: up to him like they were actively seeking him out. Um, 80 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, just to dab him up and hug him 81 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: up and and uh, you know, I've made this point before, 82 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: like big tall, um, short, black, white, like, I mean, 83 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: it just he just connected with every you know kind 84 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: of guy we had at the game. So um, I 85 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: really think he answered a lot of those questions. And 86 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: then obviously you guys have seen him on the practice 87 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: field already in camp. I mean the guy's prototypes, so 88 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: um excited what he can do again. My first exposure 89 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: to Justin live was last year at the Manning Academy 90 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: and over the summer and uh, you know, just sitting 91 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: around with some of the counselors at night that night. 92 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's so talented, but he's just scratching 93 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: the surface. That's what got all those guys excited and like, man, 94 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: what we could do you know with a guy like 95 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, because he's not one of these kids that 96 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: grew up you know with his own personal quarterback guru. 97 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: You know, like he really um, he's still really moldible 98 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,239 Speaker 1: and he's got a lot of a lot of growth left. 99 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: So I'm really excited you guys got him. Yeah, and 100 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: he's in a great room with with Tyrod Taylor, Pep Hamilton, 101 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: the new quarterbacks coach, Shane Steiken, and then coach Lynn, 102 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: who who played in this league as a running back. 103 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: So I think Justin has a great support system around 104 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: him and Jim to your point, he's just he's got 105 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: this quiet confidence to him, man, and he is so smart. 106 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 1: I remember the day he was drafted, he was telling 107 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: the media how upset he was because he missed like 108 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: one play in a meeting with the Chargers and the 109 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and said he couldn't get that out of 110 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: his head. So he's always like maniacal about wanting to 111 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: be perfect on the field and also in the classroom. Yeah, 112 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I forget what his grade. He was like 113 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: a four point grade point in molecular biology. Yeah, right, 114 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: the guy's off. He's off the charts. And and I 115 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: will say this too about Johnson getting to know him 116 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,119 Speaker 1: and his family a little bit, like he is so 117 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: genuinely humble. It's unbelievable that this guy a top ten 118 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: pick and he carries himself the way he does. I mean, 119 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: I've texted him a couple of times since he's been 120 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: out there in LA and you know, you can even 121 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: see it in his texts, like there's just a you know, 122 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: like he's genuine you guys got a good one. Man. 123 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to see his career take off in LA. Yeah, 124 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: it's just getting started. And you know, these in house 125 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: reps are going to be really important for rookies especially 126 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: all right. Next guy Joshua Kelly. And this was a 127 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: player who had two really good years in UCLA transferred 128 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: in to the Bruins program. What did you see from Joshua? 129 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: I remember Daniel Jeremiah talking about how he put some 130 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: things on display at the Senior Bowl that you didn't 131 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: necessarily see at UCLA. With the ability to catch the 132 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: ball out of the backfield. He didn't have to do 133 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: that in Chip Kelly's offense. But he's trending towards that 134 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: that complete back that can get some tough yards too, right. 135 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: I mean, another one of our favorite guys here, just 136 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: from a person anality standpoint. I know you've probably been 137 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: around him a little bit. The kid is just infectious. 138 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: I mean, and it's every Jim I said, I said, 139 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: nicest kid in Chargers history. Without taking a snap, he's 140 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: always trying to smile on his face. Yeah. No, when 141 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: we called him to invite him to the game last year, 142 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: he said, he goes you're inviting Joshua Kelly to the 143 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, and you could like hear his you could 144 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: hear his smile come across on the phone. And again, 145 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: like usually when people use the third person, it's a 146 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: little off putting, but like when he used it, it 147 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: was just like many so can't wait to get this 148 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: guy here. But I'm with Daniel, I'm with dj on that, 149 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: like he's one of the guys that There's been a 150 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: couple of guys like that over the last two years 151 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: since I've been at the game that you know, we've 152 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: obviously liked him because we invited him, but they're better. 153 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: They're better players than we realized. So, you know, getting 154 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: him down here to Mobile, he ran a lot of 155 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: wide receiver routes. They attached him and use him in 156 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: the slot some so you could see him run those 157 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: routes and so natural catching the football. One of the 158 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: big reasons why we invited him, like he was at 159 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: the you know, there was a there was a lot 160 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: of guys right there for those last couple spots on 161 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: the roster at running back, and one of the reasons 162 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: we did it was because he was such a good 163 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: special teams player. Our goal is to get all these 164 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: guys drafted every year. And we thought, you know, thinking 165 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: forward into April, like that's gonna be that's gonna be 166 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: a deciding factor as his ability to play on special teams, 167 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: and he's proven it at the college level. And then 168 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: we got him down here and saw him. I'm like, 169 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: this guy's not getting drafted in late rounds. Like this 170 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: guy's going a lot higher than that. So um, I 171 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: had heard leading up to the draft some teams had 172 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: like late second, third round grades on him. So um, 173 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: he helped himself quite a bit down here, and again 174 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: another guy like he can stay put in LA. It's 175 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: artist pro career there with the Chargers, and it's a 176 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: great story. And I think he's gonna be a fan 177 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: favorite because whenever he does anything out in your community, 178 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: people are gonna fall in love with him. Yeah, like 179 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: that smile man. And you know this is a three 180 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: headed running attack too, with Justin Jackson from Northwestern and 181 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: then obviously Austin Eckler with Melvin Gordon. Looks like Jackson 182 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: and Kelly are gonna try to collectively maybe carry that 183 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: load so you can let Austin do what he does. 184 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: He's all over the field. But a lot of people 185 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: excited about Joshua Kelly, Jim the next guy. I've joked 186 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: it's like Notre Dame West over here because there's like 187 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: four defenders from Notre Dame, all the Chargers. The latest 188 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: Alohi Gilman, a captain in South Bend, played football at 189 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: Navy before Notre Dame. And you talk about special teams, 190 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: although he's gonna make his mark on special teams with 191 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: the Chargers here in twenty twenty. Yeah, there is no doubt. 192 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: Really a fun player to watch on tape. And I 193 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: say it all the time, like that's the biggest compliment 194 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: I can give any players. They're fun to watch. And 195 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: Aloe just I saw him play at Georgia last year 196 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: in Athens, and he's one of those safeties that when 197 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: he gets up in the box, he's got such a 198 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: great feel and he's so decisive. He just darts, you know, 199 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: he darts around him and makes plays. He fires downhill, 200 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: flies around reckless. So all that stuff translate to special teams, 201 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But I really think alohe you 202 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: got a chance of I think it took him in 203 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: the fifth round. I think you got a chance of 204 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: hitting on a starter with a lowhee down the line. 205 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: Maybe not this year, especially because of what this rookie class, 206 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: the circumstances of COVID and not really having any any 207 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: prep time coming into campus year. But I think, you know, 208 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be an impact guy in 209 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: special teams this year, But I think there's more out 210 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: there ahead of a lowe. Like if he becomes a 211 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: starter in the league, that would not surprise me one bit. 212 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: You know, when you talk about fit to Jim, although 213 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: he's going to be in a secondary with Darwin James, 214 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: with Desmond King, with ray Sean Jenkins, a lot of 215 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: experienced safeties in this league and really just elite safeties. 216 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: We can talk about Darwin. How important is just fit? 217 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: You When you see guys at the Senior Bowl, You're like, 218 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: you know what, if he gets into the right situation 219 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: around the right players and right coaches, he can really 220 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: be something. It's a huge part of it, absolutely huge 221 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: part of it. Um. It's right place, right time, right opportunity. 222 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: So you know, right fitting scheme, right coaching staff that 223 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: takes an interest in a player. UM, you know, see 224 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,599 Speaker 1: a vision for the player, UM. And and so yeahs 225 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: fits a huge thing. And for him to be there 226 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: with round some of those bats um just being around 227 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: a LOWI for the week he was in Mobile Like, 228 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: he seems like one of those guys that's gonna, you know, 229 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: really be his punge and take that in. So uh yeah, 230 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a good situation for him, all right. 231 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: Final guy in twenty twenty. This was probably the deepest 232 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: wide receiver class we've ever seen in terms of the 233 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: NFL Draft, kJ Hill. I don't think the Chargers were 234 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: expecting to see kJ Hill in the seventh round. Kenyan 235 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: Allen a couple of days ago said that, you know, 236 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: he's been a technician so far and if he could 237 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: just continue to do what he's doing, pick up the offense, 238 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: he'll be in He'll be in good shape. And I 239 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: got a brag on I have the luxury of picking 240 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: DJ's brain because he's the analyst of the Chargers radio 241 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: broadcast Jim, and he said, going into this process, kJ 242 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: Hill top three, top four receiver in the draft in 243 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: terms of hands. So if you can get a guy 244 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: in the seventh round that has top three, top four hands, 245 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: you're doing something right. Yeah. Now that was a real 246 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: surprise that kJ slid as far as he did. He 247 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: was the practice player of the Week at wide receiver 248 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: down here in Mobile, and we did those awards a 249 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: little differently this year. In my second year, I thought 250 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: it would be really cool to half the guys they 251 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: compete against in practice vote on that position. So dbs 252 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: voted on wideouts, you know, O line voted on D 253 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: line and so forth. So UM for to have that. 254 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: He was turning people inside out all week. He's a 255 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: really good runner, like like Keenan, is really crafty, great hands. 256 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: He had a couple of really nice one hand and 257 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: catches during Senior Bowl week, and I mean he's Ohio 258 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: States all time leading receiver. To get that guy in 259 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: the seventh round is to me it was a steal 260 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: because he can operate out of the slot right away. 261 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: He's really kind of an NFL ready made guy. Um 262 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: of all the rookies, you know, especially late round rookies 263 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: that would have a chance to come in and contribute 264 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: right away, I think KJS a guy that can do that. Yeah. 265 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: He and Joe Reid both drafted in the fifth and 266 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: seventh round by the Chargers, and UM behind Keenan Allen 267 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: and Mike Williams. There's quite an opportunity for both of 268 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: those guys to make plays in training camp. Before you 269 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: bring up a sore subject with Joe Reid, well we 270 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: talked about that offline go ahead with Joe. Yeah, that's 271 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: that's one I wish I had back. I really do 272 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: you know in terms of like size, speed, um strength. 273 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: He's so good with the ball in his hands. He 274 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: was a great kick returner at Virginia. I'm still kicking 275 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: myself for that one, not bringing Joe Tomobile. He's a 276 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: he's a really good player. That's a good thing. Yeah, 277 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: he's He's exciting because he can do a lot of 278 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: different things too, and then affect the game on special teams. 279 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: So us so Early and Kant, these guys just got 280 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: the pads on jim Is. It's really hard to gauge 281 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: what these rookies can do right off the bat, but 282 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: I think people are expecting big things from from both 283 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: kJ and Joe, even drafted in the fifth and seventh 284 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: round respectively. So Hey, a couple quick ones for you. 285 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: Going back to twenty nineteen, there's three guys on this roster. 286 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are excited about first 287 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: Nazier Avonlee, the second round pick. Last year, he was 288 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: hurt Jim and he just could not get on the field. 289 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: There was a fourth preseason game last year against the 290 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: forty nine ers. I know he was going against fort stringers, 291 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: but he looked like at all pro. He probably should 292 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: have had three interceptions in that game. You sold him 293 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: on tape at Delaware, you saw him in person iMobile. 294 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: The potential of Nas at the pro level. Yeah, I 295 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: think I think Nas was our highest drafted small school 296 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: guy two years ago. Really good athlete. I mean that's 297 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: the thing that sticks out when you watch the tape 298 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: to the point where we didn't do it a lot 299 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: with him down here. What happens is you come to 300 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and you know got we're coached by 301 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: the two different NFL staffs, and the very first day 302 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: we'll sit down with the GM and the head coach 303 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: of each team, and I'll just kind of get recommendations 304 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: on based off what I saw on tape where we 305 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: might work some guys positionally, whether that's you know, a 306 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: tackle playing guard or you know a safety playing corner. 307 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: I really wanted to wrap Nas at corner. Something because 308 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: he's that kind of athlete. But when you talk about 309 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: him as a safety, just great instincts. He's got that 310 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: center field skill set because he can run, he's got instincts, 311 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: he's got great eyes, and he's got ball skills, so 312 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: he's got some ballhawk to him. So for him to 313 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: be back there with Darwin James, I mean to me 314 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: that not like three or four years down the road, 315 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: could be even two years down the road, could be 316 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: the best safety tenem in the league. I mean he's 317 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: Nas is super talented, so I know that. I know 318 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: that he was nicked up some last year. So for 319 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: you guys to get him back healthy, that should be 320 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: a huge boost to your defense. Yeah, it's it's a 321 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: deep secondary right now, especially at safety with the way 322 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: the Raychel Jenkins played last year. And you know Desmond 323 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: King is a defensive back. But but Nas has so 324 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: much talent. Excited to see what he can do. Drew 325 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: Treikwill he really made his mark on special teams last year. 326 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: Blacked a couple of punts. He was a special team standout, 327 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: and he got some run towards the of the year. 328 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: Three starts. I really think he is set up nicely 329 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: to to have a big sophomore season. Drew similar to 330 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: Lohe a captain and Notre Dame, does all the right 331 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: things off the field, and uh, he's a passionate player 332 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, Drew's one of our favorites too. I mean, 333 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: you've drafted some of our favorite guys. He's a stunt 334 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: of a stunt of a dude. He was the one 335 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: guy two years ago that wrote me a handwritten letter 336 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: and thanked us for inviting him to the Senior Bowl, 337 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: which was pretty cool back and forth with Drew. Since 338 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: since he's left and came to LA, he's hit us 339 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: up about some of his Notre Dame teammates and how 340 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: he thinks that they should get Senior Bowl invites and um, 341 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: you know, a really good player. And again, he's a 342 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: guy that I've heard. I've heard it since he went 343 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: to the Chargers last year. I've had a couple of 344 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: different teams tell me, man, we blew it on Trank. Well, 345 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: we we we wanted him, we kind of we waited 346 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: too long and the Chargers suped in and took him, 347 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: and they wish they would have got him. So again, 348 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: when you kind of like a lohe, you know, you 349 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: draft through your trank, will you know it? Minimum, you're 350 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: getting a great special teams player. M guys that guys 351 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: that excel on special teams, they earned reps, you know, 352 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: on whatever side of the ball. So that's gonna that 353 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: probably earned Drew some some chances last year, and I'm 354 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: sure he made the most of them. I haven't seen 355 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: a lot of your guys take but again, another guy 356 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: that I mean, I think Drew's a starting level linebacker. 357 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: I mean where we had him on the board, I 358 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: mean we had him in like the third round range. Um. 359 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: So to me, when we've got guys in the third 360 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: round here, that that's a starter level player. Um. So 361 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: if Drew becomes a starter for your defense, um, that 362 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: would not surprise me one bit. Just a really instinctive guy, 363 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: former safety that they moved down at Notre Dame. So 364 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: really athletic, can match up in the past game, can 365 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: play at all three downs, and you saw what he 366 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: did on fourth down. So um yeah, really really good 367 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: player in another stud of a human being for the 368 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: football team. Well, you draft to guy like Kenneth Murray 369 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: in the first round, another foundational piece of livebacker. I 370 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: could see we were we were watching. We were watching 371 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: Oklahoma take yesterday and Kenneth Roy was flying around. I 372 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: was like, dang, we thought, I mean the two first 373 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and Kenneth Murray in the first round. That's 374 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: back of a first round, it is, and they just 375 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, like you said, like three, four or 376 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: five years down the line, the combination a Tranquon Murray 377 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: at the linebacker spot with with Joey Bosa up front 378 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: and stack secondary chargers defensively could win a lot of games, 379 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: a lot of close games. Yeah, that's a that's a 380 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: scary that's a scary sounding UNI right there. All right, 381 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: last guy, he's new, he's new to us, but he 382 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: he ripped up the XFL in the short time it 383 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: was going on. Donald parm tight end Stetson University, and 384 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: he was at the Senior Bowl two years ago. What 385 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: can you tell us about Donald? Jip? Yeah, Donald m Yeah, 386 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: he ripped up the XFL. I was really surprised Donald 387 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: didn't get drafted a couple of years ago, just because 388 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: he has rare traits. You know, when you're when you're scout, 389 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: you're always looking for, excuse me, things that differentiate you 390 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: from from other players, and we're talking about a guy 391 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: that six foot six, he had a thirty six inch 392 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: plus wingspan, was like he had the wingspan of a 393 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: guy that was seven foot one or something like that, 394 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: if I'm if I remember correctly. And then he had 395 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: a thirty six inch vertical jump. So I mean, just 396 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: from in terms of a target and the radius and 397 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: the catch radius, I mean, just really unusual, really rare. Um. Yeah. 398 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: I played at Stetson with one of the guys that's 399 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: one of our scouting assistants, was his teammate in college 400 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: at Stetson. So I think that's a great signing by him. 401 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: You know that I really was hoping that XFL would 402 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: would sustain and hopefully, you know, with the Rock coming 403 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: in and and buying it, they'll they'll get back on their 404 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: feet because it helps guys like Donald. You know, he 405 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: didn't get drafted, he didn't get a lot of opportunity 406 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: last year in the NFL, but when he got on 407 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: the field and the XFL, he showed what he was 408 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: made of. So um yeah, I mean again as a 409 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: depth level guy, I mean, a young guy with with 410 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: rare traits. That's another good signing about that pro department. 411 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: With the Chargers. Jim. I love this conversation made because 412 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: fans are so excited about these young guys. They don't 413 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: know much about him, so as they start to see 414 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: flashes that highlights coming out of camp, it's great to 415 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: provide this extra text and insight into what you saw. Danamobile, Man, 416 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for your time and it. 417 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: Also I can't thank you enough for putting that Charger's 418 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: helmet in the background. I told you the only thing 419 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: that's visited is the numbers this year, manybody, I love 420 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: the bolletman background. Well, I have your equipment, guys, send 421 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: us some of those numbers. We'll slap it on there. 422 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: I love it, Jim, thank you so much, man, appreciate you. 423 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: All right, thanks for having me on. Good Luck this year. 424 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: All right, guys, that's gonna do it. A big thanks 425 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: to Jim for joining me. Of course, thanks to you 426 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: guys for listening. Be sure to subscribe to the Chargers 427 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: Podcast Network whereby to listen to podcasts. A new episode 428 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: of Playmakers is up right now. Have a great weekend 429 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: and until next time, I'm Chris Harry