WEBVTT - The Spirited Actor - Eric Roberson 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.280 Hello, and welcome to the Spirited Actor Podcast with me 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:06.400 Tracy Moore. I was a casting director for film and 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:10.559 TV and commercials for over thirty years. I transitioned to 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:14.200 a celebrity acting coach after I cast a film New 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:19.400 Jersey Drive with executive producers Spike Lee and director Nick Domez. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:24.439 I auditioned every rapper from Biggie Smalls to Tupac, and 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:28.200 I realized that rappers and musical artists they needed help 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:32.600 transitioning to acting. My clients consist of musical artists from 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:37.400 Buster Rhymes to Eve, Missy Elliott, Angela Yee from The 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:41.080 Breakfast Club, and Vanessa Simmons to name a few. I 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:45.080 also coach sports stars and host as well. I feel 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.720 I have the best of both worlds. As a casting director, 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.319 I know exactly what they're looking for, and as an 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:53.800 acting coach, I can coach you to be remembered in 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:57.080 that room. Now I know, I know actors want to 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.200 get the job. I get that, but being remembered by 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:04.560 a casting director that is powerful. And now it's time 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:09.200 for meditation of the day. Healing begins where the wound 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:16.759 was made. Alice Walker, confrontation is healing. Whether you say 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:21.440 it to the person that has hurt you, or you 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:22.720 write a letter and burn. 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.280 It, which is my favorite because I'm really dramatic like that. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:32.360 Whatever it is, do it, don't let it fester in 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.360 your body, in your spirit and your soul. 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:41.920 Even if you're not ready to confront that person. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.600 Just write it out, write things down, just get it out. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.760 If you can go to therapy, go to therapy. Therapy 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.320 is great, but just. 0:01:53.840 --> 0:02:02.080 Do it, because today I will ignowlge is what my 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:07.720 healing is. Before we get started, I like to remind 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.280 everyone to go to Crackical Network to view seasons one 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:15.000 and two of my show Inside the Black Box that 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:20.000 I co host with the great Emmy Award winning Joe Morton. 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:25.680 Look out for news on season three soon. Welcome to 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.120 the Spirited Actor Podcast with me Tracy Moore. One of 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.800 the great things about doing this podcast is when you 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.520 meet incredible. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:39.320 Dynamic, phenomenal outsteady. 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.720 I need a fisaurus because I want to say so 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.280 much more and I want to welcome you guys, and 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:50.280 I want you guys to stand up for singer, songwriter, 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.800 producer artists. Winner of the twenty twelve Soul Trained Music 0:02:54.840 --> 0:03:01.399 Award for Independent artists of the year widely idly regard 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.320 it as the king of independent. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.960 Soul and R and B. Please put your hands together for. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:12.320 Eric wrote, thank you, Thank you so much, Tracy. I 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:13.040 appreciate that. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:18.320 Oh man, I I was crafting something and going through 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:19.760 all of your bio. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.120 But I'm very familiar with your music. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.120 But I just you know, wanted to you know, know, 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.840 so many other things, Like it really was a thirst 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:33.160 like after I read all of the information first it 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.480 was like, oh, I can't find work because I just 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.440 found Let me tell you, I'm so serious, Eric, when 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:43.880 I say this, I feel so incredibly blessed to have 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:48.640 the sense of sound, to be able to no, no, no. 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.000 And I know you understand what I'm saying because I 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.640 got quotes. I got Eric Ropus quotes, ladies and gentlemen. 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:55.480 I'm a droplet. 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.920 I am so grateful to be able to hear your vote, 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.240 to be able to experience the stories and which you 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.160 write and and and literally you. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:08.280 Use your words. 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.320 Thank you so much for using your words to say something. 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.480 It's not negating those who don't, but I'm just saying 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:16.839 thank you. 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:18.119 We have you on the show. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:19.240 Thank you. 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:22.479 No, I appreciate I often say that I'm I'm one 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:26.279 who I've dedicated my life to the art of combining words, 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.200 you know, not just the ones that I combine, but 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:33.039 but you know, listening to Tory Moore, Tony Morrison or 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:38.159 Wilson or just whatever. When when someone puts something together 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:44.080 that I haven't envisioned before, I sit up, like, you know, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.480 because there's a, there's a, there's and and also which 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.839 we get into just the layers, right, it means it 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.240 means one thing right now, say it thirty minutes later, 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:54.200 it means something different. 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.960 Say it tomorrow means something different. And uh and I 0:04:58.040 --> 0:04:58.480 you know. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.760 So for you to say that, I really do appreciate it. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.560 And I often say, you know, to me, the first 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:09.200 instrument that all of us use is the art of listening, 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.240 you know. So so yeah, so, I mean I think. 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.839 So powerful for actors to hear that, because that is 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.160 the truth in acting as well. One of the things 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:24.120 that I wanted to start off because well, first of all, 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:24.880 my daughter went. 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:34.320 To ahu, hey h yep, yeah seven seventh mom, But 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.400 I wanted to because this is the thing. 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.320 It's one thing to sing a song, right, but it's 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.160 another thing for a song to engage in you and 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.960 touch your soul, your soul or your spirit where you. 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.520 Want that song to be a part of your marriage. Yes, 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.520 you know you have to me that gift. 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.560 I grew up in the in the late sixties, early seventies, 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:02.359 Earth Went and Fire, temptations, you know, whispers like that's 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:06.040 how I grew up. Songs taught me to grow up. 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.839 So and the messages you know, Earth wind and Fire. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.200 We are people of the mighty, mighty, people. 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:13.960 Of the school. 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:19.479 What so you to me embody all of that in 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.040 twenty twenty four, Thank you so. 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:25.800 Much, Thanks a lot, because you understand right, you feel 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:26.560 what I'm saying. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.560 Because my generation, my friends, we search for you. 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.039 We put you on and we take out the laptop 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.080 and then we start writing a scene, we start writing 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:44.120 a short story, we start visually. The music for me 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.920 is an inspiration to start to create. And that's the 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:48.440 my life. 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:49.680 That's the my life. 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.040 Honestly, I appreciate that, and I've been there. 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.240 I've used other muses to help me write or help 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.040 me find my way. So I mean, if I'm if 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.560 I'm adding that to anybody, that's a great compliment. 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:02.440 So I thank you for it. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.960 But yeah, I mean I think there's a there's a combination. 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:07.479 You know. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:11.520 I grew up I think the church. My older sister 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.960 was into theater and music, so of course theatre. I'm 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:17.440 major in musical theater at Howard. So applying all these 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.560 different things, I often say a lot of times that 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.920 I learned more about so at Fine Arts. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.320 The first floor was theater, the second. 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.960 Floor was like art and design, and the second floor 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.600 and the third floor is music. Wow, my classes were 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:31.240 first floor and third floor. I would go up and 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.600 down all day and I would tell everybody I learned 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.160 more about music on the first floor in theater classes 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.800 that I learned on the third floor. You learn about 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:45.120 harmony and melodic structure and time signatures and things of 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.000 that nature. And my vocal culture was up there as well, 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.280 doctor Eickerberger, who was incredible, so breath control and things 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.200 of that nature. First floor is all about emotion and 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:59.880 character development, you know, and just the power of the word, 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:01.840 and you know, so different things. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.520 So I had to fortunb. I would over tell everybody was. 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.240 It was a blessing going from the first floor to 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:07.680 the third floor to the third flid the first flo 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.920 so I was applying both things all the time, but 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.640 the magic was in those theater classes, those data classes. 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:16.680 I think a lot of the stuff that I apply 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.480 in my writing and on stage to this day is 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:22.000 from those classes. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:23.520 I mean I. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.520 Thought, like you know, I was casting, Oh my god, 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.040 I was maybe twenty some years in before I started. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.240 I did a film called New Jersey Drive, Yes. 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:37.400 And I auditioned everyone from Biggie to Tupac. 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.360 And I was sitting in the session. 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.760 Like the need to understand, like not every character transition. 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.960 That's where I came up with, you know, this idea, maybe. 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.760 I should, I should work with musical artists, athletes and 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.760 hosts who are transitioning to TV and film. 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:52.400 Yeah. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:56.160 He you know, it just makes such a natural transition. 0:08:56.320 --> 0:09:00.040 And I'm speaking to you because as a casting director. 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:01.880 Immediately think of these characters for you. 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:07.640 Right watching you perform and saying, as an artist like 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.560 you are what we talk about in terms of being 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.720 able to take emotions and engage them with an audience 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.920 of the people you don't know. And you've been blessed 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.080 to be in stadiums and arenas where you've seen a 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:25.400 huge amount of people be emotionally affected by lessons. 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:31.880 Yeah, because it's universal and relatable. Right, how does that like? 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.840 I work with a lot of musical artists and we're 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.400 music soul child. I work with him O great, one 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:45.560 of my favorite people. So how does that like? You know, 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.560 as a singer songwriter, how does that feel when you 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:53.360 see how your words, how you structure and words with 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:57.959 your words, and it is and affects. 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.840 People because I honestly. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.680 Feel like it's natural transition for you guys go from 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.400 music to television or film. 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:09.920 It's so interesting too that you mentioned like a Biggie 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:14.240 or Tupac, and I think you know their their number 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:18.240 one instrument also was their imagination, so so to be 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.840 able to expand the stories that that even Tupac can people. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.720 We just take them those two examples. They made such 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:30.800 definitive and full and colorful stories in their music. 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.559 Right. You believed every character when they were upset. You 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:34.240 believe they were. 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.560 Upset, when they they were talking with a level of 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.079 hatred on the bottom and their gut. You believed it. 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.160 So I think a lot of it is just one 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.800 believing it. For me, you know, I'm in an interesting 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:50.680 place where I really trust the art of like getting 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.760 out of the way of myself, allowing allowing the art 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:58.160 to show up and and even like mistakes mean different 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.880 for me now wherever before I wanted to be so 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.200 like super flawless and things of that nature, and lessons 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:08.320 I always tell everybody lessons. The beauty of that was 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.720 when I had the opportunity to record during a pandemic 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.400 the morning I went downstairs to record that song, about 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.959 three o'clock in the morning, I went downstairs, and it's 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.360 the morning of my anniversary, and I think, just during 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.800 a pandemic. It's the morning my anniversary, and I think, 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.720 just the feeling I had as I'm going downstairs, everyone 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.680 finally went to sleep. I'm turning the equipment on. We're 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.880 still not worries, We're still not fears. And it was, 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:40.640 it was. It was a very unsettling, unsure thing. But hey, 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.959 it's my anniversary, and man, we made it through a 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:44.040 lot of storms together. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.280 Yeah, you know. And I think that's just where where 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:48.760 I was. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:53.760 But if I went to work the day before I 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.440 wrote something different, or two days later I wrote some 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:58.200 but that's just where my heart was at the time 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.080 I click record. And what I will tell you my 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:06.560 process in writing now is to figure out who I 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.440 want to be in the song, but the music is 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.240 telling me right, and then I hit record and just 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:16.600 be it. So so really, the only line I had 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:19.760 when I like, we take lessons for example, the ad 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:21.720 was God has a funny way of showing you lessons. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.560 That's the only line. The rest of it, the rest 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.559 of it is was me just being in character. Now, 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.719 mind you, that doesn't mean I don't make mistakes and 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.040 I'll rewind it. I mean I probably do one hundred 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:38.280 versions of like freestyling this character before I really start 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:40.960 really get into it. But the more I define the character, 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.280 the more it removes what doesn't need to be said. 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:49.080 So only this left is what needs to be said. Right. 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:53.319 So then when when you know, now we're performing it now, 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.840 you know, singing at weddings all across the border, or 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:57.240 there's no way I can get off a stage. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:58.960 Anybody have to sing the song. 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.720 But for me, I'm in this interesting place now where 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.960 I'm like, but I didn't really create that song. 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:06.840 I found it. This was in the right place at 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:07.360 the right time. 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.640 The words already existed before, before for I ever even 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.000 spoke words, someone said, someone used the word gods want 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.360 to use the word lessons someone you know, you know, 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:22.880 So I'm really just part of the structure of I took. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.200 I took the glass, the jar of water and the 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.480 glass and I poured it. And then they saw me 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.720 walk through the room holding the glass of water. And 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.360 now I put it on the table, and as I 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:35.840 as I put it on the table and walk away, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.959 it's not mine. So every night I'm literally I'm letting 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:43.360 go of it and watching people drink, right, and when 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.760 they go with it, because so it so at the 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.720 same time as fast as I sing it or whatever. 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:51.920 Sure we have publishing and copyrights, and I started that, 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:53.439 but I'm talking bigger, right, So. 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.080 The reward is all the reward. 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.800 I know that it's quenching your thirst, and the beauty 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:00.560 is all the rewards. I won't be to see how 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:04.560 much it how much it strengthened your relationship or strengthen 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.240 your faith to you know, go I'm gonna start dating 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.960 again or whatever, like, you know, all those different things 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:11.720 that we might not be privy to. 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:12.199 Singing. 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.160 The song extends, the song goes and grows way bigger, 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.920 and and I've been I meet a lot of artists 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.880 who are like sitting on their hands and they're waiting 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.400 for the right time. Do you think that this needs 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.000 to be this? And but I don't want to get 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:29.640 robs whatever, I'm like, what do you mean, it's not 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:34.680 yours anyway, it's not yours anyway? Like perfect your craft right, 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.240 and make sure that you're in tune so you're in 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.200 the right place at the right time to to to 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.360 be of service. That's really what it is. And then 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.000 you know, so when someone else is singing along or 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.360 you know, inevitably that that couple, that guy's been his 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:53.720 arm and around he and then he hugs a little 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:55.040 tighter when that song come. 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:55.560 On, you know what I mean? 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:59.560 Like, yeah, I've I ain't even state when they turn 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.040 to each other singing a song. So you know how 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.440 much it means that they they spend money to night, 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.080 they got dressed, They probably paid money for the parking 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:09.280 just so they could hear this one song, so that 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:10.480 they could have that moment. 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.080 That's their moment, right you know. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.680 So so when I go in the studio now, like 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:21.800 I go in there tonight, Yeah, I have to not 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.040 walk in going let. 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.640 Me recreate another lessons. It's like, what is here? 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.440 For me today and allow what was what was showing 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.520 up to be able to find it, to put it 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:38.080 together because there was no pre production or no assumption 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.080 when I made lessons, and when I made it, I 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.000 didn't had no idea how big it was going to be. 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:45.320 It was. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.240 It was just another song for me, you know. And 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:53.840 but but also I have cameras in the in the studio. 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:58.000 We did something earlier that day at Zoom or something. 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:00.960 So as I'm working on the song, something told me, 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.960 hit the camera, hit record and sing it down. And 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.800 so all right, the camera wasn't there. I didn't set 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.560 it up two days ago. I didn't set up you know. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.760 So I had recorded a song I really loved the 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.160 day before that, but for some reason, that camera was 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.920 there that day. I press record that time. I posted 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.160 them far went to bed that night, you know what 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:22.480 I mean. 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:23.600 We'll go to two. 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.120 Thousand comments that morning. So I was like, wow, wow, 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:32.840 So it's it's really about listening in tune, like being 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.880 in tune with like we should record, but no, don't 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.320 don't go. I mean I shouldn't record this. It's like, right, 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:46.720 really trust the gravitational pull, the artist, gravitational pull that 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:51.320 that is pulling you because once again, you're you're the vessel. 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:53.000 Right right, You're. 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.360 And I've been you know, I go through this a 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.920 lot of things, like just like you, just if you 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:05.159 watching nature right, like the animals and the plants around 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:09.080 you are trusting this gravitational poll because they don't have assumption, 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.679 they don't have choice, right, they don't have insecurities or 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:14.840 doubt any of these things that talk us out of 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.320 I'm not gonna do that. So why not just trust 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:23.959 the gravitational pull that is happening artistically and not let 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.920 it not, Let not let yourself talk you out of 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:33.199 the idea or the feeling or the direction or whatever, 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:34.840 you know, because like I said, even if I make 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:38.760 a mistake on stage, then that might turn to a 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:42.040 left turn musically, and then five minutes later we're somewhere beautiful, 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:46.560 right you know. So you know, like we ever have 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.560 like a lot of let's say the bass player can't 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.760 make the show, so we have a sub bass player 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.240 to come in, and a lot of times they'll be nervous, 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:59.280 and I'll tell them if you mess up, mess up loud, 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:02.240 don't get. 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.199 Up here, timid. I want you, I want you to 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:05.320 I want you to dig in. 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.320 You mess up, mess up like man, like, No, I'm 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.240 not gonna turn around and be curtseying like what you're doing. 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:10.520 You know. 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.399 Wow, I want you into it. So take a chance. 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:15.959 If you take a chance and it's wrong, then we're 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.480 gonna be wrong together, you know, and we're gonna find 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.000 where we're gonna be at. Well, I'll tell you that 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.200 person sitting in the back of the room watching the 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.080 show is not gonna be like, I don't. 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.280 Know what that bass player was doing, you know, right. 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.680 Right, So there's a better chance that man that basebok 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.600 was into it. Now, yeah, something that might do something. 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.520 So live, man, live and figured out. 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:43.119 I love your disposition, your attitude, Like it's so free 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:48.800 and inspiring to these actors. Because one of the things 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:53.080 that I feel i'm as a casting director. I start 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.400 out when the script is white pages. I go from 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:00.600 white pages to being on a premiere you know, carpet, 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:07.160 And so there's a certain amount of patience, visionary, faith, resilience, 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.560 stamina that you need to have in that journey, each 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.960 of those journeys, right, especially when there's a film that 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.439 I love and I'm so you know, excited to be 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:18.120 a part of it. 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:25.800 And patience is the thing that's lacking. Patience, Like it's like, 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:27.040 you know, I love. 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.240 That's why lessons, because you guys, you have to If 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.520 you haven't heard lessons, you have to hear lessons. You 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.600 have to, you know, get lessons on your phone, because 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.600 lessons feel so much better than mistake. I have learned 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:45.720 a lesson. I made a mistake. Mistake feels so self punishing, 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.560 but lessons is like it's a brand new day, like 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:52.639 and you stay present and open, And that is what 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:54.800 my company is, the spirited Actor. 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:56.240 I just want people to relax. 0:19:56.359 --> 0:20:00.000 I just want people to just trust and know that there, 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.720 whatever your religious beliefs, there's a bigger picture out there 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:05.760 that you can't even conceive. 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:10.280 Yet not supposed to conceive it until you're there, and 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:14.520 hopefully you're fortunate enough and aware enough to recognize it 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:18.320 when you're there, right right, Like recognize that this is 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.640 what you prayed for. You know, it took a lot 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:22.000 of work to get there, or it's taking a lot 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.520 of work to stay there. This is what you prayed for, 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.480 this is what you worked for. So lessons really, you know, 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:31.400 it really represents you know, I ran into a lot 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.440 of brick walls in my life, right, and as much 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:38.480 as I as much as they hurt, I survived them, 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.920 and they made me better. And I would not be 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.359 here right now without those brick walls. 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:46.520 I wouldn't have the kids I have. 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:48.320 I wouldn't have the wife I have in the career 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:52.320 I have without the setbacks, without the failures and all 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.359 those things that so you need them. The problem is 0:20:55.400 --> 0:21:00.560 once again that you when you run into a figurative 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:02.959 brick wall. And I don't want to speak for the 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:04.920 major things like cancer and things like that. I can't 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:09.160 speak for that, right, that's beyond beyond my knowledge of wisdom. 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:15.360 But like just the basic levels of setbacks, the only 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:20.520 person stopping you is you for dusting yourself off and 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:27.760 embarrassingly or pridefully or egotistically continuing, right, And when you 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:32.439 look at a Denzel, when you look at Holly Berry, 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:43.119 or you look at Aretha Franklin, it's the audacity to continue, during, during, 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:48.040 and after the failure. You know so, and what happens 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:51.080 is now, of course I'm fifty years old. Now I'm 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:56.119 looking back right, right, And then maybe I didn't need 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:57.439 to know this in my twenties and thirties. 0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:59.200 But the failures help. 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:00.560 You, you know, I mean. 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:04.480 The failures, the failures help you. It doesn't help. It 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.320 doesn't seem like it helps you in the moment. It's 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:11.480 staying in the moment. But but for me, I'm constantly 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.600