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Speaker 1: things politics and culture. I am your host for Kari
Speaker 1: Sellers along with my co host Angela RAI. How you feel?
Speaker 1: You've been traveling a lot? How you doing?
Speaker 2: I haven't traveling. Do you see this din in my head?
Speaker 1: What happened there? Well?
Speaker 3: I was wearing my Uh you got a head?
Speaker 1: I can't see it?
Speaker 3: Wow? Anyway, I have I was wearing my higher dose
Speaker 3: hat for red light therapy for my hair, so I
Speaker 3: can keep my ask is that d.
Speaker 1: I want to do a show on red light therapy
Speaker 1: because I've been seeing a lot of things.
Speaker 4: Do it?
Speaker 3: I have so many things.
Speaker 2: I have the face mask, I have the hat.
Speaker 3: Does it work the well Matt, Yes, it's amazing. This
Speaker 3: does not work for me though, So guys, just I'm
Speaker 3: going to try to keep my head.
Speaker 1: I feel really good. I feel really good to day.
Speaker 1: I did hot yoga. That's my therapy. You did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm hot yoga three four time a week.
Speaker 2: That's a good beat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, helps my heart. So anyway, the rundown for today
Speaker 1: things will be talking about. When I woke up this morning,
Speaker 1: I saw a tweet that said that Chuck Edwards ends
Speaker 1: his reelection bid in North Carolina. By the way, filing
Speaker 1: is over, primaries are over. So why would somebody who
Speaker 1: is a member of Congress in their reelection bid overnight.
Speaker 1: It's because that Ethics Committee investigation was coming back talking
Speaker 1: about sexual harassment in a hostile work environment. So idios
Speaker 1: Chuck Edwards in the western part of North Carolina. Ohio
Speaker 1: Republican Senate candidate Max Miller. Actually he's not a Senate candidate.
Speaker 1: Max Miller is a House candidate, but he answers questions
Speaker 1: about alleged child abuse on CNN with Jake Tapper. Now
Speaker 1: his father in law is in the Ohio Senate. We'll
Speaker 1: get into all of that. Trump administration is ending the
Speaker 1: Medicare Part D subsidy, which is used to keep prescription
Speaker 1: drug prices in check. I want to talk to Mark
Speaker 1: Cuban about that one day. But the crazy part about
Speaker 1: this is they were going to protect Medicare now they're not.
Speaker 1: Forbes put together a list to the twenty biggest money
Speaker 1: getters in podcasting. Angela Raie was number twenty one, so
Speaker 1: she didn't make the list.
Speaker 3: Focus I was not on that list.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it.
Speaker 3: What I want to be in that number? Marching to
Speaker 3: the top podcast list.
Speaker 1: Haitian immigrants in Ohio being forced to wear ankle monitors.
Speaker 1: That's wild. Microsoft warrens travelers about using Hotel Wi Fi
Speaker 1: and Darlene Graham in her first debate as candidate for
Speaker 1: South Carolina's Senate seat. Also later in the episode, we'll
Speaker 1: get into our favorite topic this cycle.
Speaker 2: Can you didn't even make a complete thought, Darlene?
Speaker 1: What Graham in her first debate is candidate for South
Speaker 1: Carolina senency.
Speaker 3: That is not the headline. The headline is she's one
Speaker 3: hundred percent with Trump.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't. I mean, we can talk about that too.
Speaker 1: But the headline is that their first debate, and she's
Speaker 1: actually said subject verb Trump the entire debate. She looked
Speaker 1: very weak up there. But we'll see what happens and
Speaker 1: later and later in episode we'll get into what we
Speaker 1: always talk about, which is what prets. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: between now and January of two thousand and nine, Modern
Speaker 1: Democrats versus.
Speaker 3: Progressive two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: I mean twenty nine, sorry, twenty twenty nine after the presidency.
Speaker 1: I mean, are you with us.
Speaker 3: Or not me?
Speaker 2: I need to know you're ready for this job.
Speaker 1: I'm president, I'm president, accounted for twenty and twenty nine maind.
Speaker 3: Of confusing things, y'all, this is just the rundown. Please
Speaker 3: put called the rundown.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get through it all so we could
Speaker 1: talk about anyway. We're talking about moderi Democrats versus progressives,
Speaker 1: particularly what happened in Tuesday's primaries. We'll have Maurice Mitchell
Speaker 1: from the Working Families Party on to talk about the
Speaker 1: results and maybe have a little let.
Speaker 3: Me find out we're gonna need Timbaland and Swiss beats
Speaker 3: up buses.
Speaker 2: I'm tired of this versus.
Speaker 1: No, We'll be okay. It's a lot, it's too much.
Speaker 1: Uh the start off? I want to play this clip
Speaker 1: from Jake Tapper where Ohio House candidate and congressional member
Speaker 1: Matt Miller.
Speaker 3: Are you starting off? F y s A.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Do we have to call it such? Did you tell?
Speaker 1: I mean I just figured they know. Anyway, Now it's time.
Speaker 3: This is rough.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, guys.
Speaker 1: Anyway, now it's time. Now It's time for your situational
Speaker 1: awareness also known as PAISA, PISA, f y s A.
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that okay? Is that okay? Now?
Speaker 3: I just missed I miss Andrew when you say FIZA,
Speaker 3: because do you guys always call it FISA and this
Speaker 3: is not the real FISA, It's f YSA. But anyway,
Speaker 3: miss you, uh.
Speaker 1: My, my guy. We're going to start with the Ohio
Speaker 1: congressman and House member candidate Max Miller.
Speaker 2: Is there not need to be bigger? What the is
Speaker 2: the problem?
Speaker 3: This nothing?
Speaker 1: I'm just talking through it. Can you roll the clip?
Speaker 1: Can you the clip? Can you roll the clip? Nick? Please?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 5: Because there is a police report from the suspected child
Speaker 5: of youse incident in February involving your daughter, and that
Speaker 5: report details that the child protection team says that your
Speaker 5: child had to write classical fracture and quote a bruise
Speaker 5: that accompanies the injury that appears to be in a
Speaker 5: handprint and appears to have been inflicted unquote. Now, your
Speaker 5: ex wife stated to police that your child told her
Speaker 5: in the days leading up to the discovery of the
Speaker 5: injury quote daddy kill you. And your ex wife also
Speaker 5: said your child had said daddy angry and Daddy's house
Speaker 5: is scary. Now, according to your wife, your daughter articulated
Speaker 5: these statements to children in family services. So can you
Speaker 5: explain why your child may have said those things?
Speaker 6: Jick, I wish you could talk to my beautiful baby girl.
Speaker 6: She can't string together sentences like that. She's two and
Speaker 6: a half years old. She doesn't have the ability to
Speaker 6: articulate any of what you just said. That is an
Speaker 6: entire fabrication of the truth. I have actual video, actual documentation.
Speaker 6: Didn't you just tell me that told me that she
Speaker 6: had said that she was scared to go to mommy's house.
Speaker 1: She knows and I have video of it.
Speaker 5: And now you're saying that she's not capable of saying
Speaker 5: daddy kill you. I mean, it seems like she's either
Speaker 5: because able to say one but not the other. That
Speaker 5: doesn't make sense, Jake, Max, Max, to be very direct,
Speaker 5: this is incredibly disturbing.
Speaker 6: I am not going to my child to say Daddy
Speaker 6: kill you. You have to look at the timing of everything
Speaker 6: that is taking.
Speaker 1: Place, right what about kid process.
Speaker 6: I have already been through these investigations and I know
Speaker 6: that I've said that now three times and we're kind
Speaker 6: of just blowing past this. But these are individuals who
Speaker 6: do their jobs to protect kids in the main job
Speaker 6: of the court, and the main job of Child Protective
Speaker 6: Family Services, and the main job of our judge who
Speaker 6: has been appointed to our divorce case is to make
Speaker 6: sure that our daughter is safe. And every single one
Speaker 6: of those individuals has agreed with me.
Speaker 1: Listen, let me give you a little let me give
Speaker 1: you a little context, and then I want to hear
Speaker 1: from you. So this individual, just so you know, Max
Speaker 1: individual is in the United States House. His wife is
Speaker 1: the daughter of United States Senator Bernie Moreno. Bernie Moreno,
Speaker 1: added a little context, says that he picked his granddaughter
Speaker 1: up from Max Miller's Sunday at the police station that
Speaker 1: we have to go to meet because I don't know
Speaker 1: what this guy is capable of. And Miller wouldn't hand
Speaker 1: over his daughter's favorite little blue bunny and literally held
Speaker 1: it hostage for forty eight hours. This is the man
Speaker 1: who's running for reelection in the great state of Ohio.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Angela, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Think that the bunny hostage situation is a little bit
Speaker 3: not as important to me as the daddy kill you
Speaker 3: remark it's a stuff buddy or is it a real
Speaker 3: blue buddy.
Speaker 1: Stuff funny?
Speaker 3: Hey, Like, I can't put those on the same page.
Speaker 3: It's a false equivalence here going on. So sorry about
Speaker 3: the buddy, but I want the little girl to be
Speaker 3: safe in the mom he seems like a pathological liar
Speaker 3: in that clip. I also want to know why he
Speaker 3: represents Ohio and is in LA right now. I'm just curious.
Speaker 3: Maybe it has he's at a fundraiser or whatever. But
Speaker 3: then I want to know what hods are giving this
Speaker 3: dude money. Like he seems like a sociopath. So anyway,
Speaker 3: shout out to Jake our guy for a good interview.
Speaker 3: Daddy kill you needs to resign, though in the fact
Speaker 3: that he was like, why would I say daddy kill you,
Speaker 3: dumb ass? That's not what you said, That's what she heard.
Speaker 3: That's her repeating a back friend.
Speaker 1: And Bernie Moreno, never to be confused as anything other
Speaker 1: than a Trump Republican, had this to say about his
Speaker 1: son in law as well. If there are any basic
Speaker 1: standards of care to require to hold elective office, Max
Speaker 1: Miller fails them. He should not serve in the House
Speaker 1: of Representatives. I believe Max Miller needs to seek professional
Speaker 1: help to end the clear pattern abuse of abuse he
Speaker 1: has left in his wake. That's a lot of drama
Speaker 1: right there. You want to thank j six Er. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about Microsoft, Angela, what you got
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 3: Speaking of violence, let me tell y'all about how these
Speaker 3: Russian hackers are trying to be all in your feed.
Speaker 3: Now when you log into hotel Wi Fi like mccari
Speaker 3: right now, Let's hope he stays with us. There's a
Speaker 3: page that's going to come up for Microsoft. It is
Speaker 3: going to try to get you to log in there.
Speaker 3: If you're at a hotel and a Microsoft page comes up,
Speaker 3: dead giveaway, you're about to be hacked.
Speaker 2: I think we have a clip for this.
Speaker 3: Let's roll it.
Speaker 7: Good morning, Michael. If you're traveling this summer, you might
Speaker 7: want to think twice before logging into the hotel Wi Fi.
Speaker 7: And a new alert, Microsoft is warning that it identified
Speaker 7: widespread compromise of Wi Fi networks at hospitality related organizations.
Speaker 7: Russian backtackers will use hotel Wi Fi networks to target travelers.
Speaker 7: The hackers create these fake pages that look like real
Speaker 7: Microsoft three sixty five logins, then they'll steal your credentials
Speaker 7: or send mailware, and these pages can look very realistic.
Speaker 7: Microsoft publish an example of a fake three sixty five
Speaker 7: Windows update that looks like this one there. Microsoft says
Speaker 7: you should assume that public and hotel wi fi networks
Speaker 7: might not be trust worthy.
Speaker 2: Using your phone.
Speaker 7: As a hotspot is a safer option, but make sure
Speaker 7: that you check your plans data allowance first, and if
Speaker 7: you are using three sixty five, consider passwordless log in
Speaker 7: options like passkeys or multi factor authentication.
Speaker 3: George, So, y'all be safe.
Speaker 1: You here, I'm a hotel WiFi right now, got me
Speaker 1: all nervous.
Speaker 3: Just make sure you don't use The main point is
Speaker 3: if you're at a Hyatt or Hilton or the Salamander
Speaker 3: or whatever, make sure that is what it says on
Speaker 3: the page. If it says Microsoft three sixty five, don't
Speaker 3: do it, y'all. You know these emails you keep getting
Speaker 3: that says you got a document. You know you not
Speaker 3: expected a document from Joe. Blow it safeway, don't open it.
Speaker 3: That's the bottom line, y'all. Just think through this, Okay,
Speaker 3: like this misinformation on Instagram, Just be careful.
Speaker 1: Be careful. Also, South Carolina, be careful, Darlene Graham. After
Speaker 1: saying she would not run for a full term, now
Speaker 1: she's saying she is going to run for a full
Speaker 1: term because her leadership is proven. She done nothing, y'all.
Speaker 1: But they did have their first debate. A bunch of
Speaker 1: Trumper still on stage of Blast from the Past was
Speaker 1: on stage, and another than mister lost on the Appalachian Trail,
Speaker 1: Mark Sandford, who is running for the United States Senate
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: Daddy wasn't even tracking that. That is funny, as he
Speaker 3: he'd have found his way back to glory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's he's running third or fourth right now
Speaker 1: in the polls. But listen to Darling Brown.
Speaker 2: Do he still got the girlfriend he went on and
Speaker 2: disappearing that way?
Speaker 1: No, It is the crazy part about it is his sins.
Speaker 1: His sins ain't even comparable to the ones we're watching
Speaker 1: right now play out in front of us.
Speaker 3: They're like, he all right, all right, it's here for
Speaker 3: forty eight hours.
Speaker 1: It's okay, It's okay. Playest clip from Darling and Graham
Speaker 1: is he mumble subject verb Trump.
Speaker 8: This one's easy. This is I think another reason President
Speaker 8: Trump endorsed me. I'll be glad to stand with President Trump.
Speaker 8: Anybody that's here ill in police, they need to be
Speaker 8: walked right back out of our country immediately. I'm all
Speaker 8: for supporting and funding ICE. I support law enforcement. President
Speaker 8: Trump has done a great job. These people, they take
Speaker 8: their jobs, They run up the cost of health care
Speaker 8: because they're receiving free health care. So again, I think
Speaker 8: President Trump has done a fabocary our borders, and I'll
Speaker 8: continue to.
Speaker 9: Stand with them.
Speaker 1: I mean, for Trumps and two citizens.
Speaker 2: That is there a song about gravity.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering I should probably be quiet with this.
Speaker 3: Didn't in my forehead from my higher dose cap. But
Speaker 3: you know, maybe she needs like therapy.
Speaker 1: That's Darling Graham. That is Lindsey Graham's sister, who has
Speaker 1: spent the last few weeks grieving the loss of her
Speaker 1: seventy one year old brothers who adopted her when she
Speaker 1: was younger, her and her children, and now she's running
Speaker 1: for her Senate seat with no record. But the primary
Speaker 1: is actually next week on the eleventh, so voters don't
Speaker 1: even get a lot of time to better.
Speaker 3: If you guys just need a cautionary tale, just know
Speaker 3: that if you tell lies and if you work for
Speaker 3: bad candidates, your face will start sliding down. That's what
Speaker 3: I want you to know from that. What are we
Speaker 3: doing next?
Speaker 1: B Okay, one of the things that they ran on
Speaker 1: was not. One of the things they ran on was
Speaker 1: not bothering your medicare right. They were going to leave
Speaker 1: your Medicare alone. The Trump administration is ending the Medicare
Speaker 1: Part D subsidy in twenty twenty seven. The reason I
Speaker 1: felt so so so strongly about making sure that we
Speaker 1: talked about this today is because a lot of seniors
Speaker 1: that listen to this show, listen to this pod, They're
Speaker 1: the ones who are at risk from this cut. And
Speaker 1: what happens when this cut goes into effect if it does,
Speaker 1: is that your prices for proscription drugs will rise exponentially.
Speaker 1: Medicare Part D is the government's health insurance program for
Speaker 1: people who do not know, and it's used for tens
Speaker 1: of millions of elderly and disabled beneficiaries. This is something
Speaker 1: that CMS and mamett Oz also known as doctor Oz,
Speaker 1: have been working towards and making sure that they eliminate
Speaker 1: Part D. So for all of those elderly citizens, you
Speaker 1: know who voted for Donald Trump because he was going
Speaker 1: to be good for them. Make sure you show them
Speaker 1: a picture of this. And you know, it's not all
Speaker 1: about what he does to them or the brown folk
Speaker 1: at the border, but what he's doing to us too,
Speaker 1: poor folk, to old folks. It doesn't even matter. So
Speaker 1: watch out for Medicare party. He is getting a lot
Speaker 1: a lot of pushback from Republicans in the Senate, as
Speaker 1: you can imagine during an election year, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's his decision, you know.
Speaker 2: I just want to say something else.
Speaker 3: My grandmother used to love doctor Oz and she would
Speaker 3: be telling us what Doctor I said. I just need
Speaker 3: for all of the black grandmothers out there to know
Speaker 3: that this man is not on your side, and it's
Speaker 3: certainly not on the side of your medicare.
Speaker 2: That's all I want them to know.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to us about James Talerca.
Speaker 3: So on Breakfast Club Tuesday, I interviewed James Talerico with
Speaker 3: our brother Leonard and dear brother DJ Envy. Is a
Speaker 3: really amazing conversation and to me, one of the pain
Speaker 3: things that I've been hearing from folks in Texas is
Speaker 3: deep concern about the divide between and we've talked about
Speaker 3: on the show, the divide between he and Jasmine.
Speaker 2: He tried to put a lot of that to rest yesterday,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 3: Commend some of what he said, but there is an
Speaker 3: elephant in the room that I want to get to
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: But let's roll this clip. First, two weeks ago, you
Speaker 2: were at a town hall.
Speaker 3: I know Keith Edwards came up, Rogue DNC came up,
Speaker 3: the folks who were adamant about attacking Jasmine online, and
Speaker 3: you said that you wanted them to keep Jasmine's name
Speaker 3: out of their mouths.
Speaker 2: Yes, the primary is over. Do you wish you would
Speaker 2: have said that sooner?
Speaker 10: The first day that the congressman got in the race,
Speaker 10: I put out a video on social media, sent it
Speaker 10: to our fifty thousand volunteers, send it to our entire
Speaker 10: campaign staff, every person who worked for the campaign, and
Speaker 10: you go back and watch it. It was in December,
Speaker 10: and I said that Congressman Crockett is my friend, she
Speaker 10: is a leader, and she deserves our utmost respect. And
Speaker 10: then I kept repeating it throughout the campaign because I
Speaker 10: kept seeing this vitriol on social media, and obviously I
Speaker 10: can't police every single comment section. But I can show leadership,
Speaker 10: and you know, I look back and it's possible I
Speaker 10: could have showed more leadership, because again, this is so
Speaker 10: much bigger than me. It's so much bigger than Congressman Crockett.
Speaker 10: I mean, we have to win this race. People are
Speaker 10: dying in our state because of policies that have been
Speaker 10: passed by the extremists in Texas, and so this is
Speaker 10: a lot bigger than any of us. And people online,
Speaker 10: especially people who don't live in Texas, who are just
Speaker 10: like pushing their own agenda or trying to make some
Speaker 10: kind of political point at our expense. I'm like, we
Speaker 10: don't have time for that. We have to win to
Speaker 10: help our people in Texas. And so whatever agenda you have,
Speaker 10: whatever clicks or likes you're trying to get on social media,
Speaker 10: take that elsewhere, because we have work to do in Texas.
Speaker 9: What it does help you campaign? Right, Like, Like, I
Speaker 9: want you to really answer this question. If you saw
Speaker 9: these coded I guess racial dog whistles that were undermining
Speaker 9: Jasmine Crockett, it doesn't really behoove you to step out
Speaker 9: there and be like, hey, don't do that, because you still.
Speaker 10: Want to win right, well, so I would disagree because
Speaker 10: attacks on the congresswoman I think make it harder for
Speaker 10: us to win this general election because the whole coalition
Speaker 10: has to be together. Like in Texas, there's no way
Speaker 10: for any one of our communities to win this election alone.
Speaker 10: And so we need Black Texans to win this race.
Speaker 10: And then if you know, when we win this race
Speaker 10: in November, I'll represent the most African Americans of any
Speaker 10: senator in the country. And so all these attacks have
Speaker 10: I think hurt our campaign, they have hurt our coalition,
Speaker 10: They've hurt our chances of winning in November. I still
Speaker 10: think we're going to win, but this has made it harder.
Speaker 9: I would say that was one of the racial dog
Speaker 9: wiss that they said that she wasn't electable, like you
Speaker 9: could win stay wide, but she couldn't.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 10: And I got asked about this on the view on
Speaker 10: national television and they asked me point blank, like do
Speaker 10: you think Congressman is elected?
Speaker 1: Boy?
Speaker 10: I said absolutely, And I said, you know, if she
Speaker 10: wins this primary, like I'm going to be behind her
Speaker 10: one thousand percent. Whis our relationship Now, obviously the primary
Speaker 10: was difficult. We've exchanged some messages. I was blown away
Speaker 10: by the fact that the morning after the primary, I
Speaker 10: mean like early the next morning, Congressman Crockett was out
Speaker 10: there with a statement endorsing me in the entire ticket.
Speaker 10: If I'm being very honest, I don't know if I
Speaker 10: if I could have done that the morning after, right,
Speaker 10: I would probably have to take up a day before
Speaker 10: I was ready to come out really and do that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean it's hard because you said, you know,
Speaker 9: it's all about winning this of course.
Speaker 10: But I mean, but we're all still human beings, right,
Speaker 10: Like you can know the work is important and it
Speaker 10: can still hurt you personally.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 2: He had some answers that were compelling. I think the
Speaker 2: challenge that I.
Speaker 3: Have with the talleryco campaign now, And I am kicking
Speaker 3: myself because I didn't get a chance to come back
Speaker 3: and ask him about black staff, black vendors on this
Speaker 3: particular campaign. He's pledged to commit twenty five million dollars
Speaker 3: almost a month ago to galvanize and move black voters.
Speaker 2: There has been.
Speaker 3: There has been a push by black operatives and strategists,
Speaker 3: including our friend Ashley Aten, to get him to really
Speaker 3: focus in on this be accountable to this because that
Speaker 3: is the only way to truly repair. He's got to
Speaker 3: go out and talk to the voters that Jasmine had
Speaker 3: because of who she is and how she's represented them,
Speaker 3: he doesn't have those same relationships. He has done this
Speaker 3: with Latino voters, but he's not done it yet with
Speaker 3: Black voters. So the commitment is great, but there's got
Speaker 3: to be dollars behind that commitment, particularly when you look
Speaker 3: at what happened with the DNT autopsy. You don't want
Speaker 3: to repeat those same mistakes over and over again, state
Speaker 3: by state, city by city.
Speaker 1: I thought his answers. I listened to the whole interview.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I thought his answers were very compelling.
Speaker 1: He is someone who a lot like Pete Budage, gives
Speaker 1: a great interview like they really don't. They really don't
Speaker 1: have bad answers. They're able to put words together in
Speaker 1: ways that make you think and nod your head, and
Speaker 1: like I understand, you might not agree with everything, but
Speaker 1: the way they said it, it sounds good. It makes
Speaker 1: you feel good. I was not a lot and I
Speaker 1: just but I do wish you would have asked that question,
Speaker 1: because I mean, that question doesn't just need to be
Speaker 1: asked of him either, but he needs to be asked.
Speaker 3: Of every candidate and be I'm so mad because I
Speaker 3: threw it into an end of a question and I
Speaker 3: was gonna come back to it, but shout out to
Speaker 3: James sal Rico. Should he become senator? He damn sure
Speaker 3: ready because he could fill a bust. Okay, So he
Speaker 3: was going and for me, you know, I got add
Speaker 3: I forgot like I was and me and Lenard meant
Speaker 3: to ask him that.
Speaker 1: So we've seen we've seen campaigns raise one hundred million
Speaker 1: dollars and not create one black millionaire.
Speaker 2: I mean, and that's ridiculous that that should be.
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I think that we have got to
Speaker 3: do better about how we hold candidates accountable to that.
Speaker 3: We welcome, of course, James Talerco on this show, and
Speaker 3: we also welcome our next Why I say, topic.
Speaker 1: That's on you?
Speaker 3: Oh it is?
Speaker 1: What is it? It is? Capital one? Baby?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's go to it.
Speaker 3: So, y'all's dirty president who is a convicted felon who
Speaker 3: didn't have to serve any time. And I'm not mad
Speaker 3: at folks that have convictions on their record, but I
Speaker 3: am mad at this one. Because he stays cheating. Donald
Speaker 3: Trump had some accounts closed in twenty twenty one because
Speaker 3: Capital One says there were concerns over possible money laundering.
Speaker 3: This is according to an AP article. Several other authlets
Speaker 3: have reported on this. It flags financial activity that had
Speaker 3: characteristics of money laundering. This was of course disclosed in
Speaker 3: a court filing over the weekend. Capital One was sued
Speaker 3: by Trump and they're asking that the lawsuit be dismissed.
Speaker 3: So I just think this is fascinating because here he
Speaker 3: is suing these banks. There's also a suit where he's
Speaker 3: seeking damages of five billion dollars from JP Morgan. Your
Speaker 3: guys out here violating a monument, violating common sense, violating
Speaker 3: good morals, and just cheating, like a good old fashioned cheating.
Speaker 1: What people don't realize. And this is what I tell
Speaker 1: people when they come to me. They're like, man, I
Speaker 1: want to suit X y Z. I'm like, no, you don't,
Speaker 1: and they're like, yes, I do. They did me wrong,
Speaker 1: And I'm reminded, have you ever been through a discovery process? Hello, Like,
Speaker 1: not only do you get to ask them whatever they want,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to ask them, they get to ask
Speaker 1: you vice versa. And when you get under oath in
Speaker 1: a deposition, they can ask you literally anything under the sun,
Speaker 1: and your lawyer can object, but they gonna sit there
Speaker 1: and be like, you got to answer. I mean, you
Speaker 1: have to answer the question. And so that Donald Trump's
Speaker 1: going through that right now. He sued Capital One and
Speaker 1: Capital Blue and was like, bet their lawyer's real I bet.
Speaker 1: Let's go get this discovery. Let's go through this process
Speaker 1: and let's put you into oath and see what you got.
Speaker 2: Let's remind you of your money laundering ways.
Speaker 3: And this is part of when he was not president,
Speaker 3: So this should be something that he could be held
Speaker 3: criminally liable for should the FEDS, which that ain't gonna happen,
Speaker 3: investigate him for money laundering, which we know he probably
Speaker 3: hasn't engaged in allegedly, we'll say, because you know he's
Speaker 3: also litigious.
Speaker 2: Okay, listen next.
Speaker 1: So, No, we wanted to talk about the Haitians because
Speaker 1: I think we forgot a lot about them after jd
Speaker 1: Vance and after the election cycle where they disparaged our
Speaker 1: Haitian brethren in Ohio. But you put this, you brought
Speaker 1: this up, So I wanted you to talk about this
Speaker 1: that revoked TPS status for Haitian immigrants and what they
Speaker 1: got going on in Ohio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we know that. In June, the Supreme Court ruled
Speaker 3: on TPS, which is temporary Protected status for Haitian migrants
Speaker 3: and several other folks from other countries. This impacts more
Speaker 3: than three hundred and fifty thousand Haitians in our country.
Speaker 3: The Trump administration is giving Haitian migrants in Ohio two options.
Speaker 3: Either they can be immediately removed from the country, or
Speaker 3: they can be forced to wear ankle monitors. So Bakari,
Speaker 3: there is a clip of folks walking out of these
Speaker 3: offices with these ankle monitors on, after having been forced
Speaker 3: to make this very difficult decision to respond to remain
Speaker 3: in the country with an ankle monitor or leave immediately.
Speaker 11: Dozens of Haitian immigrants in Ohio are being tracked with
Speaker 11: ankle monitors. I just got back from filming in Blue Ash,
Speaker 11: a suburb of Cincinnati, Ohio, where there's a DHS facility.
Speaker 11: This past week there have been rumors that there could
Speaker 11: be an ice surge across the state of Ohio. Those
Speaker 11: rivers got a bit more real today. Haitians have been
Speaker 11: receiving letters from DHS officials saying to report at summons
Speaker 11: at local DHS facilities in Cincinnati and Columbus. Any of
Speaker 11: these notices didn't explain why Ignite Peace, an organization based
Speaker 11: out of Cincinnati, organize a rally outside the DHS facility.
Speaker 11: From what we've learned, there's only been about several dozen
Speaker 11: or about fifty Haitian immigrants across the state that had
Speaker 11: to report to these summonings. What's strange is all those
Speaker 11: individuals have lived in the country for more than four
Speaker 11: or five years, have no criminal history, and they have
Speaker 11: pending asylum cases, meaning they have protections from deportation. Instead
Speaker 11: of being detained, they were all given ankle monitors and
Speaker 11: were told they cannot leave their residents more than seventy
Speaker 11: five miles and have to stay within the state of Ohio,
Speaker 11: and of course they were encouraged to self deport back
Speaker 11: to Haiti. They were also told they have to come
Speaker 11: back for a follow up in the next two or
Speaker 11: three weeks and not told any further details. Since this
Speaker 11: group is protected, it raised the question why are they
Speaker 11: being targeted? And with fifty thousand Haitians living in Ohio,
Speaker 11: it seems unlikely that DHS has their resources to outfit
Speaker 11: that many people.
Speaker 1: With ankle monitors.
Speaker 11: So what are we looking at here? Is some new
Speaker 11: scare tactic or some new ice strategy. What do you
Speaker 11: think is happening? Let me know in the comments below.
Speaker 3: This is a clip from journalists and photographer Eli Hiller thinking, Nick,
Speaker 3: this is devastating to see and those ankle monitors are like,
Speaker 3: that's such, it's such a mark of shame, you know.
Speaker 3: I just I really don't like how inhumanness is uns.
Speaker 1: That, I mean the inhumanity and you you you pose
Speaker 1: the question, and this isn't a pushback on you, but
Speaker 1: as a decision, But from any of these folks, it
Speaker 1: ain't no decision to go back to Hadio. Whether or
Speaker 1: not they walk around with an ankle monitor, they have
Speaker 1: to walk around with that mark of shame as you
Speaker 1: described it. But this is also another point in time
Speaker 1: where we wouldn't be knowing about this story. But for
Speaker 1: independent journalism as well, that's right, And so this is
Speaker 1: why when we talk about an individual journalism, when we
Speaker 1: talk about podcasts, when we talk about people even even
Speaker 1: our brother Don Lemon, who just has a camera walking
Speaker 1: around covering stories of great import This is why there's matters,
Speaker 1: and so my prayers go out to a country that
Speaker 1: we never thought we'd see. I don't think, but this
Speaker 1: is what happens when we elect bad people in the office.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you horrible, horrible people.
Speaker 1: About independent journalists and meet people making moves. I wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure that I gave a shout out to
Speaker 1: the twenty biggest money getters in podcasting. Something we do
Speaker 1: we do with you guys. Thank you guys for listening.
Speaker 2: We are not in the top twenty of funded podcasts.
Speaker 1: Well, God has plans for me. And I don't know
Speaker 1: about the mighty the mighty God that you serve, but
Speaker 1: the mighty God I serve has some plans for us.
Speaker 2: Man's paid the highest paid. Our dear brother Leonard is
Speaker 2: on here.
Speaker 3: It's great represent.
Speaker 1: Oh, shout out to Leonard McKelvey for also getting a
Speaker 1: Hollywood Walk of starring.
Speaker 3: A Hollywood Walker star.
Speaker 1: It is a Walk of Start star war Hollywood, Hollywood. Man,
Speaker 1: that's just so far from South Carolina. Man, I'm just
Speaker 1: happy we going to Hollywood.
Speaker 4: What is it called.
Speaker 3: It's a star on my fame, right.
Speaker 1: It's a star on the Hollywood Boulevard Walk of.
Speaker 2: Walk of Fame.
Speaker 1: Okay, what are you going?
Speaker 3: I promise I believe that you might have ingesticed marijuana
Speaker 3: this today. I can't figure this out.
Speaker 1: I'll be moving a lot slower. I'm actually in a
Speaker 1: really good movement. My brain has been clicking.
Speaker 3: Is it the hot yoga?
Speaker 2: Did the hot yoga by your brain cells?
Speaker 1: The hot yoga got me going crazy? But listen, Joe
Speaker 1: Budden is number fifteen with twenty million dollars in Charlemagne
Speaker 1: to God is number ten with twenty seven million. Let
Speaker 1: me hold something. But I'm proud of them. The thing
Speaker 1: that I wanted to talk to you about, Angelaurai, before
Speaker 1: we get into our topic for the day, is that
Speaker 1: notably missing from these twenty individuals, where there were no
Speaker 1: black women, there were white women. There were some some
Speaker 1: a bunch of white men, some black memory.
Speaker 3: Of our lives, I know, but like how it is
Speaker 3: the story of our lives?
Speaker 1: How do we fix that? What does that look like
Speaker 1: in this space? Because you are somebody who who owns
Speaker 1: two executive producers, who hosts, who does all these things,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just a handsome face, and so I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how you tell it? What can
Speaker 1: we how do we how do we improve this space
Speaker 1: for black folks and black women in particular.
Speaker 3: I have no idea, Actually, I'm just being honest. I
Speaker 3: texted Leonard and asked him to send something in for
Speaker 3: what should happen. And the reason for that is I
Speaker 3: think the people on the list have to create space.
Speaker 3: I think Lenard does a really good job of that.
Speaker 3: For example, with Black Effect, he found it and was like,
Speaker 3: the first person he's going to get is Dolly, and
Speaker 3: Dolly has been killing it as leading Black Effect. The
Speaker 3: Mental Wealth Alliance is now led by Debbie Brown. Leonard
Speaker 3: doesn't just put on his sister friends. He also made
Speaker 3: sure that he creates space in the in the places
Speaker 3: where he has kind of the power of and the
Speaker 3: real estate to ensure that folks have a voice and
Speaker 3: a platform. I don't know what would have to shift.
Speaker 3: If we covered gossip and bs, we would probably be
Speaker 3: closer to the top. If it was like, you know,
Speaker 3: all the fun and skipping and skating and eating candy,
Speaker 3: we would probably be fine. But I think it's hard
Speaker 3: in this environment right now to be talking politics when
Speaker 3: people would rather just bury their heads in the sand
Speaker 3: to avoid it. I also think that this is representative
Speaker 3: of a larger issue in industries across the globe. Black
Speaker 3: women are underrepresented, even if they are hyper educated, hyper prepared.
Speaker 3: The wind beneath the wings of many exits many a
Speaker 3: mini exec whether in the C suite or you know,
Speaker 3: as the chief of staff or in other spaces.
Speaker 2: So I would love to know the answer, but I
Speaker 2: don't have it. I raised more questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah you did. You know what, There's always going to
Speaker 1: be hope for tomorrow. I believe, truly believe that people
Speaker 1: like yourself and many others, the carry champions of Jamial Hills,
Speaker 1: the people who we know are really really talented. The
Speaker 1: young lady on higher learning who's really dope, Rachel, Rachel.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe the list will change and expand, and
Speaker 1: maybe you guys will be up there with a fat
Speaker 1: two in front of the number or three in front
Speaker 1: of the number one day, maybe be number one on
Speaker 1: the list.
Speaker 7: With that.
Speaker 3: Did you say that we were talking about the election
Speaker 3: results in the rundown. Yeah, that's what we're doing next.
Speaker 3: All right, everyone, Well, we got to talk election results
Speaker 3: in Missouri and Michigan and lots of other politics in
Speaker 3: the country right now, particularly the device. We talked about
Speaker 3: the verses earlier in the show. Oh, you're right, you
Speaker 3: did talk about this. We talked about versus just briefly.
Speaker 3: But joining us now to talk about these elections results
Speaker 3: in some of the progress of the Working Families Party
Speaker 3: is Maurice Mitchell. He is the national director, My brother.
Speaker 3: We fight every now and and about this, but we
Speaker 3: mostly aligned. We mostly aligned.
Speaker 12: We know we have that nine point nine nine percent
Speaker 12: a line.
Speaker 3: Well I got one for you today.
Speaker 2: You might not nine nine nine on this we go see.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: a question before we get into it. Can you just
Speaker 1: explain to people the difference between or what what are
Speaker 1: the some of the discerning differences or whether or not
Speaker 1: they're differences without a distinction between Democrats, Working Family and DSA,
Speaker 1: because I'm gone, Yeah, I've gone through a ballot before
Speaker 1: and I've seen Democrats and people be on the Democratic
Speaker 1: line and the Working Families line, and you see that
Speaker 1: in certain places.
Speaker 12: Okay, so yes, all right, So the Working Families Party
Speaker 12: we're a grassroots political party where a third party that
Speaker 12: was started almost thirty years ago in New York State,
Speaker 12: and we've spread and we operate now in twenty states.
Speaker 12: And you know, you all know that elections don't happen nationally.
Speaker 12: Elections happen state by state by state, so election law
Speaker 12: is very different in each state. There's something called fusion
Speaker 12: voting that is as old as like, I mean, this country, right,
Speaker 12: there were a lot of different fusion parties, and there
Speaker 12: was a lot of like minor parties throughout our history,
Speaker 12: and over time we developed into this very rigid duopoly
Speaker 12: where it's just Democrat and Republican. But there's a few
Speaker 12: places where fusion is still on the ballot that allows
Speaker 12: for minor parties to actually like have life right where
Speaker 12: you could cross endorse the candidate of another party and
Speaker 12: kind of fuse together. New York is one of those places.
Speaker 12: South Carolina was one of those places until very recently.
Speaker 1: Voting unfortunate Republicans took a hatchet to it. Yep, yep.
Speaker 12: We were fusion legal as a party in South Carolina
Speaker 12: until that happened. Eticutte is another one of those places
Speaker 12: in Oregon. But outside of that, we do a lot
Speaker 12: of other things in order to do the type of
Speaker 12: policies that we do. And what we believe is that everyday,
Speaker 12: working people should be able to govern, and you shouldn't
Speaker 12: There shouldn't be a high bar of entry like your
Speaker 12: connection to big money or you know, you kissing a
Speaker 12: ring or whatever. If you believe that you have a
Speaker 12: desire for public service, we believe as a working person,
Speaker 12: you should be there. Most people in Congress are millionaires
Speaker 12: that have law degrees. We think that that's a problem
Speaker 12: is so we try to solve that mainly by on
Speaker 12: the hyper local level recruiting just everyday people, educators, organizers
Speaker 12: so they could run in a lot of like un
Speaker 12: sexy seats like school board and city council. And eventually
Speaker 12: we build these pipelines so we can have days like
Speaker 12: we had yesterday where we endorsed and supported people that
Speaker 12: we've known for a while so that they could represent
Speaker 12: us in the federal government. That is the working family.
Speaker 1: We are were going to talk about your and family,
Speaker 1: city council, city council. Uh, okay, but let's start. Let's
Speaker 1: in may Orio. Now, we were gonna get to that,
Speaker 1: but let's let's let's start it. Let's start in Missouri.
Speaker 1: There were elections this week in Missouri. Uh, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to run down those elections. Those matter. Everything comes
Speaker 1: down to what's going to happen in November. But you
Speaker 1: got to get through the primaries first.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Missouri was an amazing place. Our good friend and mentor
Speaker 1: and uncle and godfather and somebody that angela Roid loves
Speaker 1: and adoores none other than Emmanuel Cleaver. He was uncontested.
Speaker 1: Thank god, we send him back. We need good sound voices.
Speaker 1: But the race is stuck up.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, let me make sure we're clear about
Speaker 3: what's happening with mister Clever. And I wish we had
Speaker 3: this headline, but I didn't send it over. Mister Cleaver
Speaker 3: in the Democratic primary is fine. They have redrawn this district,
Speaker 3: went to the Missouri Supreme Court. They kept this like
Speaker 3: radical Republican nasty bs. He's running against in Trump and
Speaker 3: a governor endorsed Republican, and he is going to be
Speaker 3: in the race for his life. This is a member,
Speaker 3: he's not a Working Families Party member, but he is
Speaker 3: absolutely a progressive and is a member of the Progressive
Speaker 3: Caucus and all of that. And I think what is
Speaker 3: so deeply tragic about with mister Cleaver is experiencing is
Speaker 3: This is a man who is the co chair of
Speaker 3: the Civility Caucus in Congress, and civility completely went out
Speaker 3: the window with these biggots. Said that he's having to
Speaker 3: run against So State Senator Rick Bratton is who won
Speaker 3: the GOP primary yesterday, and it's going to be a
Speaker 3: highly contested race. And I resent that, like this is,
Speaker 3: you know, an elder We're born on the same day.
Speaker 3: This is my CBC chair boss. You know, he is
Speaker 3: an incredible soul and he shouldn't be having to run
Speaker 3: like this at this point, all because they wanted to
Speaker 3: redraw maps unfairly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point where I'm glad you brought
Speaker 1: that up. The race I wanted to the race that
Speaker 1: kind of got the headlines because that one did not
Speaker 1: necessarily get the headlines. Was uh, you had Bush versus
Speaker 1: Bail part two. You had Corey Bush running for real,
Speaker 1: running to get elected again after her get her seat back,
Speaker 1: you get her seat back from Wesley Bell. Wesley Bell
Speaker 1: handily won that race. Talk about that a little bit,
Speaker 1: guess sure, sure? I mean from the standpoint of the
Speaker 1: Working Families Party that that's heartbreaking to me. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, Corey, I was an activist on the ground
Speaker 1: in Ferguson and have a deep connection with Saint Louis
Speaker 1: that community, a lot of the folks that have continued
Speaker 1: to organize over a decade after that moment, and she's
Speaker 1: one of them, and we were we were all really
Speaker 1: proud of the fact that she went from the protest
Speaker 1: lines into into a seat in Congress. And there's just
Speaker 1: you know, there is a conversation that we need to
Speaker 1: have about how threatening to this country, uh, black independent
Speaker 1: voices are, especially Black women. And you know, it's not
Speaker 1: a coincidence that Apak and other forces tried to make
Speaker 1: an example out of her and tried to make example
Speaker 1: out of Jamal Bowman and spent ungodly amounts of money
Speaker 1: in order to cleave her off of her seat. And
Speaker 1: it's an unfortunate thing that happened. And she was outspent
Speaker 1: this time twenty to one. Right, she was outspent twenty
Speaker 1: to one. There's a lot of organizing happening there. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of infrastructure building happening there.
Speaker 12: But you know, the people, the people can people power
Speaker 12: can prevail over money power. But it's hard, it's really
Speaker 12: really hard, especially when you're being outspent twenty to one.
Speaker 12: Incumbascy is really powerful no matter who the incumbent is,
Speaker 12: and she no longer had the power of incumbency, so
Speaker 12: we already we already knew it was going to be
Speaker 12: an uphill battle, and unfortunately we weren't able to get
Speaker 12: to the victory that we wanted to restore where we
Speaker 12: believe she's right rightfully should be in that seat, you know,
Speaker 12: but you know, whatever she's doing following this, we're going
Speaker 12: to be riding with her. And I could just say
Speaker 12: on behalf of the Working Families Party, we're committed to
Speaker 12: building that infrastructure, working with people organization like Action Saint
Speaker 12: Louis in order to build the independent black political infrastructure
Speaker 12: so that you know, interest like APAC or AI or
Speaker 12: Crypto can't decide for the residents who should be representing them.
Speaker 1: I just think that it's also kind of indicative of
Speaker 1: the interesting ways in which black political power has diversified,
Speaker 1: because you look at somebody like Wesley Bell, and Wesley
Speaker 1: Bell we just talked about her in the last segment though,
Speaker 1: when you talk about black women had to support a
Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett, right, and so when we're when we're sitting
Speaker 1: here and having this conversation about.
Speaker 12: Wait, I was unclear that was a little like fuzzy.
Speaker 12: I was unclear if if she had endorsed him or not.
Speaker 3: I thought at some point she said she says she
Speaker 3: did not endorse him. But the reality of it is
Speaker 3: she spoke very complimentary of him at a campaign event,
Speaker 3: and so her work. She's from Saint Louis. That goes
Speaker 3: a long way. I think the reality of what we
Speaker 3: know about Wesley Bell is he's a little tricky. He
Speaker 3: won his city attorney's race saying that he was going
Speaker 3: to prosecute Michael Brown's killers, and then when he got
Speaker 3: in that seat, I know you do, but maybe the
Speaker 3: audience doesn't.
Speaker 2: When he got in that seat, he renigged.
Speaker 3: He told Corey Bush on a hot mic, on a
Speaker 3: recorded conversation, he was not going to run against Corey Blight.
Speaker 2: And he ran so for me.
Speaker 3: I don't trust no motherfucker that's talking out of both
Speaker 3: sides of a mouth. I'm just not gonna do it.
Speaker 3: Remember to bleep my mf y'all. But that's how I
Speaker 3: feel about him. Apparently, I'm going to see him in
Speaker 3: Tunica this weekend. We'll keep it pushing. We don't have
Speaker 3: anything to say to each other. Booth.
Speaker 1: Next, well, let's go to Michigan. And Michigan had some
Speaker 1: more very very very interesting election results last night. I
Speaker 1: guess everybody we all good in Missouri because I just
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure. That's why we started to quote
Speaker 1: Missouri before we get down to the meat of the
Speaker 1: conversation in Michigan. I wanted to start because there's something
Speaker 1: that's happening in our country, waitebe.
Speaker 3: I do have one the other thing. We looked at
Speaker 3: early returns for Corey's race. The numbers were significantly worse
Speaker 3: at the end of the matter. Now she's attained over
Speaker 3: fifty something thousand votes to his. I think it was
Speaker 3: seventy eighty three thousand to her fifty two thousand. Those
Speaker 3: are not all out, all in all discouraging to me.
Speaker 3: I do hope that Corey runs for something may or
Speaker 3: whatever and continues to build the ground game. She is
Speaker 3: such an incredible force and voice, and we really need her.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but I did just want to shout out.
Speaker 12: The numbers absolutely and you know, like I said before,
Speaker 12: whatever she's doing, I know that she'll be committed to
Speaker 12: this movement because I mean she said this, It was
Speaker 12: never about a position for her. It was always about
Speaker 12: the people. And she's going to continue to be about
Speaker 12: the people, and I'm going to continue to stand by
Speaker 12: her and support her as she does the work.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Michigan real quick, because there's something that's
Speaker 1: happening in this country that a lot of people probably
Speaker 1: miss And this is where I wanted to start in
Speaker 1: Michigan if we can pull up those results, Nick, last night,
Speaker 1: you saw Jocelyn Benson, who is the Secretary of State, win,
Speaker 1: but you also saw in a competitive race on the
Speaker 1: other side, you saw John James, who is a weird
Speaker 1: fella in his own right, wins. So weird he's just
Speaker 1: I mean, he's when I like, if there is a
Speaker 1: definition of weird in the dictionary, there will be a
Speaker 1: picture of him. And I'm not using it trying to
Speaker 1: be derogatory. I just don't have it. He's always off cadence.
Speaker 1: Have you ever met somebody that just kind of is
Speaker 1: always off cadence? But he beat a billionaire last night.
Speaker 1: One of the things I wanted to talk to you
Speaker 1: all about is we got a lot of black folk
Speaker 1: particularly black men and Keisha Lance Bottoms who are running
Speaker 1: for governor right now. You got John James, you got
Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson, you got Keisha Lance Bottoms, you got Aaron Ford,
Speaker 1: you got Byron Donald's. You literally have a lot, and
Speaker 1: Wes Moore running for reelection. I mean, is this worth
Speaker 1: noting or do we just keep pushing on, pushing on
Speaker 1: and not necessarily recognize the kind of historical nuances right there.
Speaker 12: You know, forgive me for having a lot of skepticism
Speaker 12: about the elevation of black folks in Republican politics as being.
Speaker 1: With you, we know how to get there. It's the
Speaker 1: easiest lane.
Speaker 3: It sounds about white, you know.
Speaker 12: I mean, I just look, this is something that that
Speaker 12: I've said, right, and this is something that I think
Speaker 12: all black people have experienced. And it's just like our
Speaker 12: experience in this country. When you serve the dominant culture,
Speaker 12: you are their friend. When you step out, you are
Speaker 12: their enemy. And so when you see black conservatives, you know,
Speaker 12: with jobs as pundits on TV, or you see them
Speaker 12: running for governor or running for mayor, it's because it
Speaker 12: serves the political interest of that movement. It isn't necessarily
Speaker 12: indication of you know, the merit of that person. And
Speaker 12: you know, we talk about the racism that happens inside
Speaker 12: the Democratic Party, and I would say a lot of
Speaker 12: that happens actually inside the Democratic Party where you know,
Speaker 12: you have you know, I saw it with Stacy Abrams,
Speaker 12: who man, she was raising money for not just herself,
Speaker 12: but I mean the entire Democratic Party infrastructure when her
Speaker 12: star was was really bright. And then I saw how
Speaker 12: quickly they reprioritized how much they wanted to embrace her
Speaker 12: when they no longer could could extract from him, you know.
Speaker 12: And so there's an independent black political conversation that we
Speaker 12: need to have as black folks. And you know, so
Speaker 12: I have a lot of skepticism when I see them
Speaker 12: elevating people of color, like listen, not all skim folk
Speaker 12: or kim folk, and listen like I'm by here simply
Speaker 12: to you know, like be excited about like black faces
Speaker 12: and high places, Like what how are you delivering on
Speaker 12: the black political agenda? Full stop? Whoever you are, whatever
Speaker 12: your racial.
Speaker 3: I wanted to hate that phrase because that god damn
Speaker 3: Jill Stein caught me a black face and a high place.
Speaker 3: Let's blessed keep.
Speaker 1: Show up for four years she show.
Speaker 3: Up for.
Speaker 2: Every time I hear that, I've you mad.
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about one of the races
Speaker 1: that we all probably agreed on last night in the
Speaker 1: Democratic primaries, where we probably found some alliance here was
Speaker 1: Donovan mckinnley. Yeah, because I am somebody who firmly but
Speaker 1: that the city of Detroit needed black representation. I mean,
Speaker 1: and that is just that is just purely on its face,
Speaker 1: what they needed, what they deserved. It's the blackest city
Speaker 1: in the entire country and for far too long did
Speaker 1: not have any black representation. But I do believe I
Speaker 1: am very proud of Donovan McKinny last night, who actually
Speaker 1: is a DSA guy.
Speaker 12: So I'm going to regre with you guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. Who beat and I cannot pronounce
Speaker 1: his last name, so Angela, I'm gonna let you talk.
Speaker 3: About it is weird, he'd beat weird and so we
Speaker 3: can just go on from here. This man has not
Speaker 3: showed up for Michigan Arey voters. This is a suburb
Speaker 3: of Detroit, a seat that was formerly held by Hanson
Speaker 3: Clark and then Brenda Lawrence and Brenda Laurence. To CBC members,
Speaker 3: who I had a great relationship with so I am
Speaker 3: elated to welcome a CBC member back into a place
Speaker 3: is representing going to the blackest cities in America.
Speaker 1: Tree is only known for filing impeachment resolutions. Half the time,
Speaker 1: the Caucus didn't even want it. So that's something that's
Speaker 1: something amazing that happened. And I wanted to comment real
Speaker 1: quick before we get to the Senate race. I did
Speaker 1: want to comment on Uh. There was a young a
Speaker 1: young man last night named Amir Hassan. I don't know
Speaker 1: if y'all know Amir Hassan, but Amir Hassan is a
Speaker 1: black Republican who ran for Michigan eight. Last night. I
Speaker 1: think we have a clip from Amir Hassan. Can we
Speaker 1: play that clip from? This is a mir? I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna talk too much shit. He looked like he might
Speaker 1: be able to pluck me up.
Speaker 4: Hey, good morning, everybody. I fell short last night. I
Speaker 4: make no excuse. It was a tough race. But over
Speaker 4: the last year I've had some incredible dealings with people
Speaker 4: across the entire district. I've learned the issues that we
Speaker 4: are going through and are facing, and it's just strengthened
Speaker 4: my resolve.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm confused. I saw he won.
Speaker 1: Amir Hassan got beat by somebody who dropped out the race.
Speaker 2: I thought that he was the one that dropped out.
Speaker 1: No, no, he did not.
Speaker 2: So what's the difference between Amir and John James?
Speaker 3: A mirror?
Speaker 1: One one and one didn't. But both of them were
Speaker 1: of a mirror. But I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly what happened, But for some reason.
Speaker 3: They figured out a mirror is actually a Democrat who's operations.
Speaker 3: Because what's wrong with the bere versus John Jay John
Speaker 3: jas How are you you know what it is that
Speaker 3: no facial hair for these negroes on the side.
Speaker 2: Think about it?
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, hold on, I might be honest, sum,
Speaker 3: Who you know this Republican elected with facial hair is black?
Speaker 2: Think about it?
Speaker 1: Byron Donald's has facial hair. Yeah, but elector right now,
Speaker 1: he might he's in Congress.
Speaker 3: He might be, that's true, but he might be he
Speaker 3: might lose his movementatorial race. I won't think about it,
Speaker 3: might be honest, Sum, Yeah.
Speaker 12: But there's also there's also a conservative hairline, you know
Speaker 12: conservative Because to.
Speaker 1: Your moment, I think I think you're more on point
Speaker 1: than she is with that, because because.
Speaker 12: If you don't have a widow speaker, you're not in
Speaker 12: the company of black people. You're not concerned whether or
Speaker 12: not black women find you attractive. You are living in
Speaker 12: a world where your hairline is not a priority for you,
Speaker 12: and that says a lot. I think that is an
Speaker 12: indicator of where you are culturally and where you might
Speaker 12: be politically.
Speaker 2: Only less less of a priority to that is snap benefits.
Speaker 1: I think I think you are right, But last night
Speaker 1: I do want you to know that A mir was
Speaker 1: the only person on the ballot the black Republican in Michigan,
Speaker 1: in Michigan eight. I'm just being messy now.
Speaker 2: I want to find out.
Speaker 1: He's been on stage, a mirror, a sign, on stage
Speaker 1: with the president and everything. Last night you could take
Speaker 1: your victory lap Mo. I want you to take your
Speaker 1: victory lap because last night what we saw was a
Speaker 1: dual outside who I actually know really well from CNN.
Speaker 1: Days after he got beat in his run for governor,
Speaker 1: actually became a CNN commentator for a little while and
Speaker 1: was really big on the healthcare front. That was his main,
Speaker 1: his number one priority and initiative. He Although Angela gets
Speaker 1: mad at me for being this petty. However, although he
Speaker 1: put out polls, internal polls that had him up fourteen percent,
Speaker 1: thirteen percent or whatever, he won last night by a
Speaker 1: percentage that I believe just before we came on air,
Speaker 1: they Hailey Stevens actually called it and called him and
Speaker 1: conceded the race.
Speaker 3: I just want to say this, I can't believe that
Speaker 3: the topic that you want to bring up is an
Speaker 3: internal poll.
Speaker 2: Everybody's internal poser.
Speaker 1: I mean no, I mean I got a larger thing. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I just want you to te y off. I want
Speaker 1: you to go ahead because I got some questions. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: I got some questions. I got a question. I got
Speaker 1: a question.
Speaker 2: Well let me answer your questions to know.
Speaker 1: First of all, mogus to take a this is a
Speaker 1: huge victory, so we'll take his victory lap first.
Speaker 3: You don't want to burn you yet, go ahead.
Speaker 12: Let me talk my shit.
Speaker 4: This is so.
Speaker 12: This is a working Families Party sweep. And look, a
Speaker 12: few months ago, there wasn't anybody talking about these races
Speaker 12: like there were an inevitability or even a possibility. And
Speaker 12: our three endorsed congressional candidates Will Lawrence Donovan McKinney and
Speaker 12: Abdula Sayid are going to go be on the ballot
Speaker 12: in November. And what I want to say about that is,
Speaker 12: I just think it's a reflection of where most people
Speaker 12: are at. People are tired of status quo politics and
Speaker 12: they're looking for something different. And look, whatever you want
Speaker 12: to say about the spread or internal polls, he won.
Speaker 12: And he won against seventy million dollars an unprecedented amount
Speaker 12: of outside money spent against him in negative as, many
Speaker 12: of which were ridiculous bad fa ads, right, in order
Speaker 12: to frame him as somebody that he isn't like. You
Speaker 12: actually know him, So, I mean, I think you could
Speaker 12: attest to the fact that some of the framing was ludicrous.
Speaker 12: I know him as well, Like the idea that he's
Speaker 12: like disrespectful to women and like doesn't like Michelle Obama.
Speaker 12: It's just like, yeah, I understand.
Speaker 1: And he actually came through at the end, contrary to
Speaker 1: some of my people who I'm not fond of, but
Speaker 1: he came through at the end in twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: and actually sent a letter out to all of his
Speaker 1: supporters asking them to go out and vote for Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris Oh. He immediately endorsed, right I mean, so it's
Speaker 1: this is my this is my question.
Speaker 3: No, you don't get to go yet, because I'm gonna
Speaker 3: scorch you.
Speaker 1: Now I get a chance to ask the question to scorch,
Speaker 1: but go ahead.
Speaker 3: No, no, but because I want to scorch the last point.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing that I think is really important.
Speaker 3: He spent under three million dollars on this race. This
Speaker 3: is a man that campaigned on Medicare for all and
Speaker 3: keeping money out of politics.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite thing is there has been some
Speaker 2: challenges with the black community.
Speaker 3: I think that they could have done a better job
Speaker 3: reaching out, tapping in for full disclosure. Our friend Garland
Speaker 3: Gilchris connected me to him last week. We were not
Speaker 3: able to talk, but I wanted him to do the
Speaker 3: show last Tuesday, and you know, we were going back
Speaker 3: and forth after that because my travel schedule was so nuts.
Speaker 3: I do congratulate him, but I do think there's still
Speaker 3: some inroads that need to be made, not only leading
Speaker 3: up to November, but throughout. He should be hiring black staff.
Speaker 3: He should make sure that he's talking to black leaders.
Speaker 3: They shouldn't feel like they haven't been heard. We don't
Speaker 3: want to run that same kind of Mamdani narrative here,
Speaker 3: especially when we know it's easy to dispel. All you
Speaker 3: have to do with our folks is talk to us.
Speaker 3: You should be spending with us too, but let's start
Speaker 3: with talking. I do want to run this clip because
Speaker 3: this actually really endeared me to Abdul, and then you'll
Speaker 3: question b Okay here right.
Speaker 13: Now live from Michigan. You know I mean with the Obdul,
Speaker 13: you know what I'm saying. SAYI I said that right right, sayah,
Speaker 13: so the folks is mispronouncing it, saya. But I'm here
Speaker 13: specifically to ask the question I said to somebody, man,
Speaker 13: I'm about to go to Michigan and campaign.
Speaker 1: They say you got a problem with black people, bro.
Speaker 13: So my question specifically is what is your plan for
Speaker 13: black people here in the gray slate of Michigan.
Speaker 1: I'mnnast you to mic and listen. Be real, bro, I.
Speaker 14: Don't do anything about be real, you got. My commitment
Speaker 14: to our black communities didn't start because I wanted to
Speaker 14: come and take a photo off. It started when I
Speaker 14: left my tenure track job at a Ivy League school
Speaker 14: to come back to rebuild the health department in the
Speaker 14: city in the city Detroit, which is the largest majority
Speaker 14: of black city in the country. And I came because
Speaker 14: I remember Post nine to eleven. I had a teacher
Speaker 14: who told me, Hey, you need to read your history.
Speaker 14: And he's like, you gotta go read Alex Haley, you
Speaker 14: gotta read WB de Boys, you gotta read James Baldwin.
Speaker 14: You got to read Sojernal Truth and Frederick Douglass. You
Speaker 14: got to read doctor Martin Luther King. You gotta read
Speaker 14: the stuff that he actually wrote.
Speaker 3: Malcolm X.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I learned.
Speaker 14: I learned what it meant to be a person of
Speaker 14: color reading black folk and the civil rights struggle. And
Speaker 14: I understand that my responsibility is about trying to address
Speaker 14: racial inequities. All my work is about racial equities and health,
Speaker 14: whether it's the maternal infant mortality crisis, it's protecting kids
Speaker 14: from asthma, taking on polluters, putting glasses on kids' faces,
Speaker 14: eliminating medical debt. Now you know, there's been nearly eighty
Speaker 14: million dollars spent against me, telling lies about an endorsement
Speaker 14: that my opponent didn't get, or using an op ed
Speaker 14: that I wrote about a program that First Lady Michelle
Speaker 14: Obama sponsored, saying it was a good program, but here's
Speaker 14: some things that could be better, arguing that somehow I'm
Speaker 14: disrespectful to people, but.
Speaker 1: Look, lies have a way of working.
Speaker 14: But I think the truth is more important. So what
Speaker 14: I'll tell you is this. I'm an Egyptian, so I
Speaker 14: take my African heritage seriously. And if I want to
Speaker 14: teach my daughters about our history, you know, I take
Speaker 14: them Charles a trite museum right about to the museum too,
Speaker 14: That's right, it's the best Egyptian antiquities exhibit in the Midwest.
Speaker 14: And so I also know that my dad doesn't get
Speaker 14: to move from e Jept to butt for the incredible
Speaker 14: contributions of the civil rights movement in passing the immigration
Speaker 14: oct To nineteen sixty five. So a lot of what
Speaker 14: I'd say is, you know, they said past his prolog
Speaker 14: if you want to know somebody could do, figure out
Speaker 14: what they've done. So my commitment is to continue to
Speaker 14: lead in ways that empower black folks.
Speaker 3: Y'all go look at a conscious leader. To watch the
Speaker 3: rest of that cliped. But when I saw that, I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, Like it felt very different from some
Speaker 3: of what I was hearing. Also, Bonnie Watson Caleman endorsing
Speaker 3: him is persuasive to me because I adore her and
Speaker 3: definitely trust her instincts. I didn't get a chance to
Speaker 3: talk to him, but I do have a chance to
Speaker 3: congratulate him now on his victory.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to correct one quick thing for the
Speaker 1: record that he actually outraised Stevens and Mike Rodgers. He
Speaker 1: raised fourteen and a half million. However, to your point, Mo,
Speaker 1: he was outspent hell of money from outside influences to
Speaker 1: the tune of sixty to eighty million dollars. But in
Speaker 1: terms of individual fundraising, he outraised everybody who was running.
Speaker 1: My biggest, my big beef, it's not even a beef.
Speaker 1: My biggest concern, and I'm throwing on the blinkers of
Speaker 1: concern here, is that we get really excited about primary
Speaker 1: victories and we go out and we begin to build
Speaker 1: narratives that the electorate has changed. And when I talk
Speaker 1: about pluralities versus majorities, I want people to fully understand
Speaker 1: how close this race for us. And the reason is this.
Speaker 1: He got destroyed by black voters, particularly in the city
Speaker 1: of Detroit, Wayne County. That's why the race was close.
Speaker 1: He got destroyed in rural communities he did extremely well,
Speaker 1: where many of the individuals who are DSA candidates do
Speaker 1: well in suburban communities, affluent communities and white suburban communities.
Speaker 1: We've seen this pattern play out over and over and over,
Speaker 1: and so the challenge is where my things are blinking,
Speaker 1: is like, look, these races, particularly in Wisconsin, Wisconson and
Speaker 1: the words of the great American poetry Pain and Michigan,
Speaker 1: are so utterly import in November that now we have
Speaker 1: to put everything that happened behind us, and there has
Speaker 1: to be real work done to figure out the messaging
Speaker 1: that is going to permeate these communities of color, because
Speaker 1: outside of the Pacific Northwest where Seattle is and the
Speaker 1: Upper Northeast, we have not seen this resonate outside of
Speaker 1: a few exceptions, and that is my biggest concern.
Speaker 12: Can I speak on this please, Yeah, because I fundamentally
Speaker 12: believe in the politics of winning. I care very much,
Speaker 12: that's right, I know, yeah, yeah, very much about general
Speaker 12: election outcomes because we're here to govern, We're not just
Speaker 12: here to put up numbers, right, And so I take this,
Speaker 12: actually take this seriously, and I do think that there
Speaker 12: needs to be some like really rigorous conversations about like
Speaker 12: what is a majoritarian sort of framework so that we
Speaker 12: could get everybody voting in our direction, right, not just
Speaker 12: people who are self identified progressives or self identified democratic
Speaker 12: socialist or whatever. We know that self identified democratic socialist
Speaker 12: is not a majority of the elector right. We know that,
Speaker 12: and so absolutely our job is to be able to
Speaker 12: organize everyone. Also, there is a way that you engage
Speaker 12: in politics during a primary and then you pivot to
Speaker 12: a general election. And his campaign is going to do that.
Speaker 12: And I think all of these like concerns are valid,
Speaker 12: but also there is a natural way that you're going
Speaker 12: to have to pivot. The thing I will say though,
Speaker 12: is that there are a lot of examples, not in
Speaker 12: the COMMI corridors of major US cities, but in places
Speaker 12: like Bakersfield where you know where we have a candidate
Speaker 12: Randy Vegas, who is a working class Latino candidate who
Speaker 12: is a young person who's not taking corporate pac money.
Speaker 12: He's going to be a competitive candidate in a red
Speaker 12: to blue flip. Will Lawrence is another example. He's going
Speaker 12: to be a competitive candidate in a red to blue
Speaker 12: flip flip.
Speaker 1: There's enough. Brian Poindexter those's gonna be the Brian Poindexter
Speaker 1: matters because he's running against a very flawed Max Miller.
Speaker 1: But we were also looking at Scranton, We're looking at Harrisburg.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're looking at these places that are very,
Speaker 1: very important. And my my only it's not even an admonition,
Speaker 1: My only sobering, you know, in a day of celebration
Speaker 1: like today, for many of my my friends who are
Speaker 1: further left than I, my sobering reality is like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: we gotta win now, Like, yes, we gotta win. And
Speaker 1: that's why Hayley Stevens, to her credit, was so important
Speaker 1: today because she was like, look, I lost, I'm hurt.
Speaker 1: We gotta beat Mike Rodgers. Because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, what I tell people is that elections are
Speaker 1: binary choices. Right, who is better Abduel or Mike Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I don't think for many people that believe the same
Speaker 1: things we believe, that that's a choice. However, he ain't
Speaker 1: got to convince us. He has to get those black
Speaker 1: voters who voted for Haley Stevens to still come outside,
Speaker 1: because many of them are going to want to stay home,
Speaker 1: and he's going to have to go talk to those
Speaker 1: rule voters and those people. What's the county they call
Speaker 1: it the swing county is at Oakland County in Michigan
Speaker 1: that tends to go back and forth. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: going to have to do damage there and so congratulations,
Speaker 1: but let's get it.
Speaker 12: Listen, over the next thirteen weeks, there's a lot of
Speaker 12: work to be done. Let you know, do one victory
Speaker 12: like and get back to work one hundred percent. And
Speaker 12: I'll say this because I really want us to be
Speaker 12: precise when we say, like two left, I want to
Speaker 12: understand what are we talking about. Sometimes we're talking about vibes.
Speaker 12: Sometimes we're talking about like culturally where.
Speaker 3: They can give you an example the vote.
Speaker 1: Yeah, canceling Thanksgiving mom, But go ahead, well again.
Speaker 3: I told Bakari yesterday, we call our something different too
Speaker 3: in my family, but you know, we cancel the intention
Speaker 3: behind Thanksgiving for certain.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows.
Speaker 3: I am going to use the example of our Seattle mayor.
Speaker 3: And the reason for that is yet again, yet again,
Speaker 3: she has found herself being called up for a recall.
Speaker 3: This woman beat a black mayor whose politics are mostly aligned,
Speaker 3: but he wanted to keep the police force.
Speaker 2: She kept the police Chief.
Speaker 3: She threatened to fire Black Chief Shawn Barnes several times
Speaker 3: over and over again. She decides that she wants to
Speaker 3: fire Sewan Barnes, this time right on the other side
Speaker 3: of a mass shooting at the Bite of Seattle while
Speaker 3: there's a murder investigation that's open. Seawan Barnes is at
Speaker 3: the National Organization for Black Law Enforcement at the time
Speaker 3: this crisis happens, and no less, she decides this is
Speaker 3: finally her window to fire him, since she wanted to
Speaker 3: do it before FIFA et cetera. By the way, nick,
Speaker 3: I don't know if we have any of the headlines.
Speaker 3: My family organizes around trying to make sure she knows
Speaker 3: that she can't fire him. We get black leaders in
Speaker 3: to see her. The day that she's supposed to fire him,
Speaker 3: she postpones it several hours.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Her initial offer was a twenty five thousand dollars severance
Speaker 3: package to this man. Because of the pressure applied, he
Speaker 3: ended up with seven hundred ninety thousand dollars of taxpayers money,
Speaker 3: no job, and he got to pick his replacement, who
Speaker 3: is Deputy Chief andre I can't think of Andrea's last
Speaker 3: name right now. Sometimes you can be too left to
Speaker 3: know anything. You could be too right to know anything.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you can be too in the middle to know anything.
Speaker 12: That's confident ideology.
Speaker 3: I agree with that, but also some of what she
Speaker 3: stands on ten toes down is ideology that some people
Speaker 3: have actually put deep thought into implementation, and she's not
Speaker 3: done that. She has targed there are people who are
Speaker 3: very progressive who don't represent the best interest of black folks.
Speaker 3: Know what the conservative you know paradigm is. It's awful,
Speaker 3: but she's one of them. She has targeted black people.
Speaker 3: You don't fire people on maternity leave. That certainly violates
Speaker 3: the standards that working family stands for. And I just
Speaker 3: I want there to be something for y'all where you
Speaker 3: can go back and say this was a mistake for us.
Speaker 3: This is not someone who represents our values. I'm a
Speaker 3: black man at the top of this amazing entity, and
Speaker 3: she would fucking fire you, mo like that's what we're dealing.
Speaker 2: I'm just being honest with you. There's there's one.
Speaker 3: There are two black people left in her administration and
Speaker 3: senior roles Duayne Chappelle and our fire chief Dwayne Chappelle's
Speaker 3: over education that is abysmal. There should if work is,
Speaker 3: if it's about working families and ensuring parody and access
Speaker 3: and equity, then that means you cannot turn your black.
Speaker 3: You're black, you can't turn your I'm just saying my
Speaker 3: dad started Connor shady Katie, and I'm right there with him,
Speaker 3: because it is it is impossible to under stand with
Speaker 3: this woman stands for beyond be like she is enjoying,
Speaker 3: being incompetent, enjoying line to the media. She is now
Speaker 3: being put on blast because she's firing.
Speaker 2: She fired the police chief.
Speaker 3: But she's the one that held up the press conference
Speaker 3: and told them they cannot have the press. The press
Speaker 3: conference that's out now, that's public testified under oath. She
Speaker 3: gotta go. Seventy five thousand is all it takes for
Speaker 3: a recall. But I'd love to hear y'all say this
Speaker 3: one we got wrong.
Speaker 12: Okay, this is what I will say, he might this
Speaker 12: is this is, this is what I will say.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 12: We endorse, folks, We endorse more than a thousand people
Speaker 12: right every single cycle, just like and just like the
Speaker 12: just like the Democratic Party or the Republican Party.
Speaker 3: Right, and.
Speaker 12: Once those endorsed candidates are governing, you have a thousand
Speaker 12: governing experiment experiments.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 12: What we do, and we do this a lot behind
Speaker 12: closed doors with our folks, is we do have accountability
Speaker 12: conversations with our people. We do have serious, like real
Speaker 12: deal like this is what we established, This is where
Speaker 12: we are, conversations that happen day in and day out
Speaker 12: because we really do care about governing. I can't speak
Speaker 12: to all of the details here, but the thing that
Speaker 12: I will say is that you know, healthy parties are
Speaker 12: also self correcting and also are transparent about about where
Speaker 12: we're going, where we're trying to go, and where the
Speaker 12: distance is between those two things. But what I will
Speaker 12: say is what you brought up I don't think fits within.
Speaker 12: The reason why I said what does two left mean?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 12: Is that you know, I hear a lot, especially I'm
Speaker 12: like on cable news, I hear all of this kind
Speaker 12: of like I don't know, redbaiting about like you know,
Speaker 12: communism and socialism. When you look at the candidates they're
Speaker 12: talking about like healthcare and child these majoritarian positions, I'm like,
Speaker 12: the things that they're running on are healthcare, out care,
Speaker 12: jobs like uh, taxing billionaires, all majoritarian positions. Where are
Speaker 12: the left, positions that are too left for the mainstream right.
Speaker 3: That's the thing that I struggle with, abolishing the police,
Speaker 3: putting people in positions that don't have experience, because you
Speaker 3: don't you want to.
Speaker 1: Destroy that when we start talking to talking about abolishing
Speaker 1: the police as one example throughout the South, the South,
Speaker 1: because what what my mom will tell you is that
Speaker 1: my mom does not want to abolish the police. She
Speaker 1: wants better.
Speaker 12: Wait, let's let's talk about that. Their very there are
Speaker 12: very very few to none sitting elected officials or candidates
Speaker 12: of all stripes who actually are running on abolishing.
Speaker 1: The Francesca Hung is about to be the Democratic nominee
Speaker 1: for Wisconsin governor.
Speaker 12: And she's not She's not, by the way, like Francisca
Speaker 12: Hang is not running on abolishing the police.
Speaker 1: In fact, it's I mean when asked Don Piker asked
Speaker 1: her and she said yes.
Speaker 3: And Katie Wilson shady, Katie also has past comments where
Speaker 3: she talked about abolishing the Seattle Police Department.
Speaker 2: So to me, I'm just saying, and that was just.
Speaker 1: My biggest issue is that it is where.
Speaker 3: Black people have an issue around that's not safe for us,
Speaker 3: especially when yes, homicide rates are going down and crime
Speaker 3: rates are going down, but we want to make sure
Speaker 3: that it stays that way. So can we have, you know,
Speaker 3: a better way of interacting. We also know these police
Speaker 3: departments ain't super safe for us either, so they need
Speaker 3: to be challenged out accountall, et cetera.
Speaker 12: I got two words, Brandon Johnson, right, because yeah, yeah,
Speaker 12: I was wrong.
Speaker 1: I was wrong on.
Speaker 12: Good Love, because everybody was like red baiting about Brandon
Speaker 12: and about like public safety with Look in the history
Speaker 12: of the city of Chicago, you haven't had lower rates
Speaker 12: of violent crime, right. And he's engaged in a holistic
Speaker 12: approach to public safety where he puts investments where we
Speaker 12: know it works, and it's not just the one side
Speaker 12: fits all just spending on more police person.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: But let me just also say this though, this is
Speaker 1: this is the thing, that this is the this is
Speaker 1: what I want to articulate, Like, Brandon has done a
Speaker 1: great job, and I was wrong about Brandon, I'll admit that.
Speaker 1: But Brandon Scott, who doesn't come from the same political spectrum,
Speaker 1: has done Yeoman's work, right, Frank Scott. Frank Scott has
Speaker 1: done Yeoman's work. Randall Wolfing. Both of those individuals beat
Speaker 1: DSA guys have done great work. Andre Dickens. I like Andre.
Speaker 1: People people people have their own issues with Andre. So
Speaker 1: we don't have time to go down that path because
Speaker 1: I know you're ready to jump off and doing great
Speaker 1: on I think Andre's doing great. I love Andre.
Speaker 3: I want him to interface a little more at the
Speaker 3: community on public safety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean I think that you're seeing these people.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you're right, and I think that you're
Speaker 1: seeing these people. And I just wish that we what
Speaker 1: I what I want to while we're abolishing things and
Speaker 1: going down platforms. The only thing I would like to
Speaker 1: do is abolish litmus test. That's the only thing I
Speaker 1: would like to do. I mean, look like we we
Speaker 1: align around that. We don't have litmus tests at the WFP. Frankly, right,
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't do litmus test politics. We don't
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 12: We really try to approach things from the standpoint of
Speaker 12: like number one, how do we win? And number two
Speaker 12: like for real, for real, what are the policies that
Speaker 12: are actually going to prove improve the lives of working
Speaker 12: class people like in our lifetimes?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 12: And and look, I also think.
Speaker 3: That well, I want to be on the Seattle Endorsement
Speaker 3: Committee because this can't keep happening.
Speaker 12: It's just say less, say less. We could have a
Speaker 12: whole conversation around that.
Speaker 2: Right has got to go.
Speaker 3: Y'all going ad my other, my.
Speaker 12: Other, my other invitation is like we're an actual, like
Speaker 12: bottom up political party, Like I don't make the the
Speaker 12: endorsement decisions. If you have a problem with an endorsement decision,
Speaker 12: roll up your sleeves, get involved in the WP and
Speaker 12: and then you know, organize the w P to move
Speaker 12: in a different direction if you have a critique, that's
Speaker 12: my that is.
Speaker 3: Mind to be racist, Like I don't what I think?
Speaker 3: What is what bothers me? And I'm just being honest
Speaker 3: with you. I love you like you're somebody that's family
Speaker 3: to me. I don't want you having people representing a
Speaker 3: part of who you are and what you stand for
Speaker 3: that are so out of lockstep for that. Now that's
Speaker 3: something like I want to actually have a meet with them,
Speaker 3: Like how could y'all miss the mark this bad? Like
Speaker 3: it's no way MOA is gonna be on the side
Speaker 3: of fire and wholesale black folks, especially on maternity leave
Speaker 3: coming up with fake investigations like, I'm not with that.
Speaker 3: And by the way, maybe would break the news here.
Speaker 3: I think she's about to fire a deputy mayor who's
Speaker 3: also black, but forgot it along the way, Brian Surratt,
Speaker 3: So Hardy's looking for other jobs.
Speaker 2: This dude's got to be out on his.
Speaker 1: Ass nightly news report, right.
Speaker 15: City Council President, listen before we leave, and I want
Speaker 15: more to join us on this before we before we leave,
Speaker 15: because we got to pay bills to do everything else.
Speaker 1: Uh, let's do the call to action. Who cares about truth?
Speaker 12: When the last morning seen it?
Speaker 1: We talked a lot of politics today and there have
Speaker 1: been a lot of good things that happened. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of work to do. I want to start with you. Well,
Speaker 1: we spent about thirty seconds in telling people that your
Speaker 1: call to action, what you expect people to or want
Speaker 1: people to do from this point forward.
Speaker 12: M okay, Well, actually, I think black folks we need
Speaker 12: to start loving each other in public a lot more.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 12: And so I was this, this is something that just
Speaker 12: happened to be It's a small thing, these small things.
Speaker 12: This happened to me in Detroit. I was like out
Speaker 12: campaigning and this random brother was like, hey, bro, I
Speaker 12: like your fit, like you know, and we just had
Speaker 12: a moment and I was like, I appreciate you, bro,
Speaker 12: and I was like thank. It was like a lot
Speaker 12: of times like we as brothers, we don't like compliment
Speaker 12: each other. And he was like, well, he's like, I'm secure.
Speaker 12: A secure brother could compliment another brother. And we we
Speaker 12: engaged in this moment of appreciation and black love, and
Speaker 12: we just got to do a lot more of that.
Speaker 12: We got to love upon each other as black people
Speaker 12: in this world, and it really it costs nothing, costs
Speaker 12: very little, and so I just hope we could do
Speaker 12: more of that. That's a very easy lift for anybody
Speaker 12: to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah or usual, I am aligned with my brother.
Speaker 3: The thing that I was going to tap into for
Speaker 3: a call to action is I think you all can
Speaker 3: see here there's not much that Maurice and I disagree on.
Speaker 3: I disagree. A lot more would be by the way,
Speaker 3: but I think that there's a way to have conversations
Speaker 3: where iron sharpens iron and you don't cancel each other.
Speaker 3: Part of loving black people, part of loving people culturally,
Speaker 3: communally and in coalition, is about giving people the spaciousness
Speaker 3: to disagree and see how you can collectively get to yes,
Speaker 3: what do we agree on? Liberation for our people, which
Speaker 3: means liberation for all people. That means that we there
Speaker 3: is a road that we can walk down together, even
Speaker 3: if part of the way we arguing, But we're going
Speaker 3: and we're gonna get there. So I encourage you all
Speaker 3: to do the same. Stop to cancel people. It ain't cute.
Speaker 3: It ain't cute, and some of y'all ain't cute, and
Speaker 3: that's part of the reason why you spend so much
Speaker 3: time canceling folks.
Speaker 1: I was having a conversation with Chris Coons this morning,
Speaker 1: the United States Senator from Delaware, and he just reminded
Speaker 1: me that life is so unpredictable. That we were talking
Speaker 1: about a lot of things, and he was just saying
Speaker 1: along the same lines that he's been spending a lot
Speaker 1: of time with his family, his friends from high school,
Speaker 1: his friends from college. I encourage everybody to do that
Speaker 1: because when your time is nia, you will not know
Speaker 1: and you will not have time to prepare. So have
Speaker 1: your luggage ready to go. With that being said, thank
Speaker 1: you for joining another episode of the Native Land Podcast.
Speaker 1: We want to thank Maurice Thank you so much, brother,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 12: It's always good chopping it up with y'all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got to take you on the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah we did.
Speaker 9: We did.
Speaker 12: It was like for real, And you know, I have
Speaker 12: so much to say about this whole discourse about like
Speaker 12: progresses versus black folks, and also like, look, the media
Speaker 12: needs to stop playing in the WFP's face. How about that,
Speaker 12: because like you know, this whole wave started in the
Speaker 12: winter in New Jersey, in the Sumburs in New Jersey
Speaker 12: with Ana Lila Mahia all the way through. Like, honestly,
Speaker 12: I feel like there is a plot to remove us
Speaker 12: from the discourse because WP is led multiple levels of
Speaker 12: led by people of color and black people, Like our
Speaker 12: Michigan chapter is led by a brother, Brandon, Brandon Snyder
Speaker 12: that built this amazing black organization Detroit Action is not
Speaker 12: building the WFP out there. I'm the national director of
Speaker 12: the WFP. It complicates the narrative when we're the ones
Speaker 12: who are building the infrastructure for insurgents.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to see that. I want
Speaker 1: to see it permeate throughout the South. But we stay,
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