WEBVTT - Geoff Ogilvy - All 18 at Augusta National 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.640 Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:09.240 Today we are reheating in honor of Master's Week, one 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:13.520 of my favorite podcasts. We did this over two parts. 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.959 Last year I did it with Jeff Ogilvie down in 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:21.680 Augusta and we went through We really he went through 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.880 every single hole at Augusta National. He broke it down, 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:30.680 talked about the different shots, different insights. It was fascinating 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:32.479 to hear him talk about things that I had never 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:37.040 even thought of, one being laying up on fifteen how 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.080 it's counterintuitive you want to lay up on the opposite 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.280 side you think you should, especially when the pin's left, 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:45.279 you know, And then you see it play out on 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:49.600 Master Sunday with shots like Xanderschoffle. I remember last year 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.199 he had that wed shot just as Jeff described that 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.720 caught the down slope and skipped over the green. So 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.560 this is one of my favorite podcasts we've ever done. 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:05.280 And if you missed it, I hope you enjoy it. 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.240 If you didn't miss it, you know you can listen 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.800 to it again. I think I've re listened to it 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:14.560 and remembered a lot of things I'd forgotten. It is 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:18.199 Master's Week. We will have a Frida Egg story up 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:23.399 on Wednesday, so that'll be coming. That's Garrett Morrison production. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.679 And we will have daily newsletters, so sign up for 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:32.200 those at Thefrida Egg dot com and there's a newsletter 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.600 sign up bar right there. Sign up for those there 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:39.440 and you'll get daily newsletter into your inbox all week long. 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.760 That's for free, and it'll keep you up to date 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.880 on all the ins and outs of the Masters. But 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:51.040 without further ado, here is Jeff Ogilvie and all eighteen 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:52.920 holes at Augusta, Nashal. 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.880 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.000 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.800 And when I find my ball in a Friday Friday Egg, 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.200 the dreaded Friday Friday Frida Egg, bright Egg, frid Egg 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:05.000 bright egg. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.160 Lie, I'm about ready to run off with the course. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.600 So you're you're in contention on the weekend. What are 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.560 you thinking about before your Saturday Sunday rounds? Like? Is 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.040 there stuff that worries you early on? 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.280 Well, the first green might be the hardest green on 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:53.040 the course maybe, and certainly the first the hardest first 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:57.239 green in world tournament golf. I would say, man, Oakmont 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.960 is a well renowned, ridiculous first hole and a really 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:02.560 tough green to hit. But it feels like you're in 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:04.760 the lap of the gods a little bit at Oakmond 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.120 because you can land at the front right of the 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.079 green and maybe it stays on, maybe it runs over 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.600 the back. It's kind of you make bogie on the 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.480 first in Oakmond. You don't have to have done anything wrong. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.600 It's just part of Oakmont. You just hit you in 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.200 the face on the first hole and then you move on. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.400 But the Masters, if you play the hole really sensibly, 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:21.960 you can get a nice birdy part on the first, 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.520 but if you hit it anywhere other than directly under 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.000 the hole, you have the hardest part in the world. 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:30.840 And sometimes if you miss it past the hole, it's 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.519 even a hard bogie. It's a brutal, easy first tee 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.560 shot relatively. I mean, Tiger historically has struggled with it. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:40.800 But it's a gentle first tee shot and a simple 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.680 looking iron shot until you realize what's up at the green, 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.960 and the green is so savage, really hard to hit 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:48.760 the ball under the hole too. The way the front 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:50.360 half of the green is because if you land it. 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:51.880 If you hit it short of a lot of pins, 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.680 it rolls off the front, so it encourages you get 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.000 it to pin. It was always trying to get you 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:57.160 to hit it to pin high, and if you get 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.240 it to pin high just a bit past it, you 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.000 get a lot of stress. So it's one of the 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:05.000 most un talked about. I guess it's more talked about 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:06.840 now because it's on the coverage more and people talk 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:08.320 about the first green more. But it might be the 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.680 hardest green on the course, especially because it's the first hole, 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.040 and Ernie El's kind of showed that a few years ago. 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:17.120 Uh the false front he touched on it. I guess 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.280 I's got a lot of vicious ones. Do you think 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.560 false fronts are like one of the best ways to 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.520 defend against the tour pro. 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:30.359 I think it's a great way to really encourage, not 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.560 quite force, but really motivate a player to want to 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:38.159 get it to pin high, especially in a situation where 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.160 past pin high is going to ruin your day, Like 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:46.600 you can't just just kind of go one club less 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:47.760 and chunk it up to the front of the green 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:49.960 on the first You can't because it's the chip could 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:53.960 come back. You know the false front thing. So I 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.240 think you're right. I think it's a really good way 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:56.440 to do it. And if you look at standers, I 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.240 mean every green's got one really close in the Valley 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:03.760 of Sin. That's really what that is, right, It's a 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:05.760 It's a good way to do it because it really 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:10.680 really it rewards the player for being aggressive and hitting 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:11.520 a quality shot. 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.160 Neathing too with it is for the lower ex trajectory player, 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.560 you're like your regular guy. It's a way for it 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.640 to slow down the ball into it. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.400 I think it's like the perfect for me. I go, 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:29.000 of course, the perfect mindset is how do I make 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.919 it easier for the eighth, the ninety shooter, the alien handicapper, 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:33.240 and how do I make it harder for the scratch 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.320 player and the false front or at least the style 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.400 I do it here at the Masters, that's exactly what 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.240 it does. Because the guy can't spin is he's coming 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.800 in with his hybrid or his four iron or five iron, 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.239 he's running it up. It's actually a really nice screen 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.640 to run it up onto. But the guy who's flying 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.920 it up there with spin with an eight iron, he 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.599 really has three or four yards to landit it and 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.200 that's it. So it's a super precise shot for the 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.680 elite player and really quite a gentle easy shot for 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.560 the avera player, which is ideal. It's bringing those two 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.320 guys closer together as opposed to some modern stuff where 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.560 it's all carry and big long stuff. It just separates 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.240 that scratch and eighteen handicappers so much that it kind 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:18.480 of it's it's just super intimidating for the average guy. 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.239 Is that second shot on two like the most fun 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.600 shot on the course? No, it was to Sunday pen. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.000 Yes and no. The Sunday pin might be the funnest 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:29.680 pin on the course or one of I mean there's 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:31.120 a lot of fun pins on the course. I mean 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.279 sixteen on Sundays pretty fun. And that pin on seven 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.000 when they put it in that whole outspot and the 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.800 bowl on the right hand side, that's a fun pin. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.240 But the one on two is hard. I kind of 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.880 always laid it up onto a little bit. My mentality 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.040 was if I could get it just in that front 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.320 right bunker or around that front right bunker and two, 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.240 I was happy. You know, I missed the green left 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.839 a couple of times. I missed it in that left bunk, 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:56.320 or a couple of times on the green or short 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.240 left of that left bunker, trying to get really aggressive 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.800 a few times and worked out that that's not really 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:02.640 what you want to be and had some kind of 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.240 train wrecks on that hole. So I would always try 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:06.799 to hit it next to the bunker, off the tee, 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:08.520 next to the bunk, or on the second shot, and 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.160 you can get it anywhere on the green close to 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.280 the hole. If you're next to that front right bunker 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.280 on two. It is a super fun it's a fun 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:17.600 shot to watch. It might be one of the fun 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:19.120 of shots to watch on those guys at those long 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:20.800 arms on the top of the hill and they land 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:22.240 on the front of the green and they roll for 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.200 about thirty seconds allay up the back and they roll 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.040 right next to the hole. As a spectator, that would 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:28.400 be a great place to stand on Sunday. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.560 Yeah, there's a lot of holes right around there too. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.840 You could watch two, you could watch three, t you 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.440 can watch I mean it's close to eighteen. 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.400 Yeah, eighteen seventeen, you're really not far from sixteen if 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.560 that is the sweet spot of the course. Really, Yeah, 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:47.920 you've got seven green two green, really kind of seventeen green, 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.200 seventeen fair, you can kind of whip across to fifteen. 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:51.360 That's kind of the heart of the course. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.880 I would say, there's that hill that everything plays into, 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.760 and it's similarly, you know, Mackenzie does that a lot 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.760 of his places, that focal point, and that's it kind 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.040 of is the folk that's like, it's such a neat 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.000 routing how they play down to it and then he 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.040 takes you away from it and he keeps bringing you 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:09.559 back at different points in the round. 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.120 Yeah, it's a it's a great route. I mean, it's 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.200 I think serendipitous. Really. I think they were fortunate how 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.440 it worked. He was obviously a genius router and Jones 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.480 might have been the best golf mind ever, like when 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.200 it related to golf course and playing the course. I mean, 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:29.160 he was truly genius, but there was serendipity involved in 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.640 how it all worked out. And mean, it just it 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.360 is such a good golf course to watch golf, and 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.280 you can pretty much from that point from the second green, 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.240 seventh green, kind of eighth tea area, you can pretty 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.320 much get to every hole with a five minute walk almost. 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.480 You know, you're kind of really central and people keep 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.280 you watch them come through two, and then you see 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.120 that same group come through seven, and then later on 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.480 they come back through seventeen. It's like, yeah, it's all 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.760 it's brilliant like that, because if it just went out, 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.199 like the old course is the old course and it's brilliant, 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.040 but it's been awful course to watch golf, great course 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.360 to play golf, but to watch it's kind of awful. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.040 But this kind of matches all the creates, all the 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:07.839 great golf and it makes it great to watch. 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.560 Yeah, it's incredible, almost like the Stadium course before the 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:11.319 Stadium course. 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:17.040 Yeah, I mean everything about it is just I mean 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.560 you say perfect, I mean there is no perfect, but 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:24.440 relative to everything else. If you want to find for 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.559 a great place to watch golf and a place that's 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.440 going to create great attractive golf to watch, right, it's 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:31.760 all right here. It's incredible. 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.760 It's an expansive property but intimate. 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.200 Yeah, it seems I don't think it's quite as big 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.800 as you think, but it seems so big because if 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.200 there's no real lines of trees, they're like copses of trees, 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.080 right as cops is the word, right, like groupings of trees. 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:52.880 But you stand at the clubhouse, you can pretty much 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.880 see across the whole course, which makes it seem like 0:09:55.920 --> 0:10:00.680 this big kind of park. You know, it's so it 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:06.480 seems massive, big scale, big wide fairways, big bunkers, but 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.079 as you say, intimate, because everything kind of comes back 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.000 it's kind of near each other. But because it's so 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.040 big scale, it seems big. But you realize that everything's 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:16.920 kind of close, and that helps with the rules and 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.920 the feel. And you see how you're constantly seeing other 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.280 groups go up other holes and stuff from feeling that 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.400 you just you're you're always kind of feel like you're 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.120 part of the whole show. You're never separated on one 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.480 spot way away from anywhere else. It's just brilliant. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.040 That's gonna be one of the cool things compared to 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:38.920 like your modern TPC choruses, the how close you are 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:40.640 all the competitors when you're playing it. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.240 Yeah, it's yeah. I mean you're teeing off on the 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.440 first and you're watching the guys hit into the ninth 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.600 and kind of sussing out the pin and where they're 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.880 hitting it, and then and that happens kind of all 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:53.680 the way around. You're playing down two and you're watching 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.000 him pitch into three, and then on seven you're watching 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.439 you're walking down six, say, and you're watching the shots 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:02.960 into sixteen, and you're constantly kind of being reminded of 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:07.520 what's coming and what's gone and who's doing what. It's 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:09.160 nice to feel a part of it. You know, there's 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:10.800 a lot of courses where you're just way out there. 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.240 Now modern routings seem to just go wherever they want 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.560 and don't take that sort of thing into account. But 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:18.880 it's great to be out there with all the competitors 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:20.480 and playing partners and feel like you're part of the 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.360 whole show. That's the whole thing. It's just a whole 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.480 The whole thing is just one big show, right, and 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:25.319 it's brilliant. 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:30.800 A Buddy Mane Sean Martin did this Strokes gained analysis 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.720 of winners and the golf course where they picked up 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.439 the most shots to the field, and the two holes 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.320 that came out on top were number three and number fourteen. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.000 Well, they're the two holes that you can have the 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:49.120 most docile seeming holes, no bunkers. On fourteen. Three has bunkers, 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.760 but they're really easy to miss. You just kind of 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.319 hit some sort of well modern play. These guys all 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:55.880 seem to hit driver up short left of the green, 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:57.880 but it's just been a three or two or three 0:11:57.880 --> 0:11:59.599 on or a hybrid these days to the top of 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:01.960 the hill wedge onto the green, and it's relatively simple. 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.199 And fourteen is driver in a nine nine or something. 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.959 But they'd have two greens that if you miss them 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:12.960 in the wrong spots you have almost zero chance to 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:16.400 make par and a big chance to make six or 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.520 seven or eight. You can just they turn you into idiots. 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.760 That doesn't actually surprise me, Like I think everyone would 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.240 have thought twelve or thirteen or eleven or fifteen, But 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:32.520 it's the third I think is a genius hole because 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.160 the only way to really make birdie or get it 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.800 close is to really risk missing it short of the green. 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:39.440 And if you miss it short of the green, it's 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.520 almost an impossible up and down. It comes all the 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.520 way back and you're twelve feet below the level of 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.200 the green to this crazy pitched green. And the only 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:47.800 way to get that pitch close if you do miss 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.480 it short, is to risk leaving it short again. You know, 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.679 So once you've missed it short, unless you say right, 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:54.560 I'm just going to make five, and by the way, 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.280 it's not an easy five because your little pitch will 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.000 go twelve feet past the hole and a part that'll 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:03.960 break six feet, and so it's if you want to 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:05.360 have a good score, if you want to make three, 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:06.920 you have to risk living it short. If you want 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:08.400 to make four, once you leave it short, you have 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.240 to risk leaving it short again. And that just kind 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:14.880 of follows the whole hole it's and fourteen is the 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.560 miss on fourteen is long right, but you'd nen't want 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:20.040 to miss like an eight or nine nine too, and 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:20.880 they're usually. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.600 It's really hard to miss long right for a good 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:23.160 player too. 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:27.959 It is especially rady, especially alrighty. Yeah, it's not the 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.080 thing you usually miss short right or along left right, 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:34.839 which is the genius on twelve, but it's a there's 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:39.040 the three of the four pins on fourteen. Generally, oh, 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.240 I want to make birdie there. He's kind of one 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.400 of your last birdie chances. You've got fifteen and sixteen, 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.280 but seventeen and eighteen are really tough, so you kind 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.080 of want to get something going. On fourteen. You've got 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:48.800 a nine, nine or eight iro into a pin that 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:52.079 it's all going to roll towards, but you kind of 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.959 have to risk landing it short of the green to 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:56.719 get it really close sometimes, and if you miss it 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.080 short of fourteen, you definitely I mean, that's a one 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:03.000 N ten up and down, so an amazing green. 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.800 One of my favorite things I've heard you say, and 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:07.319 I think you said it. I'm not sure if you 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.360 said it on our pod or on the stay of 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.360 the game, but you said, like, the greatest holes are 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.319 the ones where if you want to make an easy 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.720 par it's like, you know, if you want to make 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.760 parts really easy, but if you want to make Birdie 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.800 and it's really hard. So from what I'm hearing, like 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:27.520 three and fourteen are holes where if you're in the hunt, 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.560 your expectation almost changes. Where those are the holes you 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.120 feel like you got to get Birdie on right. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.440 for sure, So all of a sudden it switches versus 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.280 the tough holes coming in where you're like, par is 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:42.280 a good score, So that expectation flip then brings bogie 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:43.480 or worse into play. 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:48.400 Yeah, Like eleven is so obviously impossible, you're quite content 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.760 to go two fours and two fives to the week. 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.520 Probably that would be okay. You know, most winners of 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.080 the Masters probably have a bogi or two and eleven, 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:58.320 so you're quite happy you I am it away from 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.120 the grain. Everyone aims at a the row ede the 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:01.600 green and tries to hit it in the right spot 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:05.080 and maybe on Sunday like these modern roars and dustins, 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:06.880 and they're super aggressive and they'll go for it. But 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.480 generally you're quite content if you make five on eleven. 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.600 Oh well, everyone's making five on eleven. But see three 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.640 and fourteen. They are legitimate birdie holes. But the only 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.920 way to make Bertie is to risk making bogie, which 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:20.720 is the genius of the whole course really and all 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.840 great courses in that they give the great player a 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.160 par pretty much. If you want to make par, if 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.200 you give up, Bertie will give you a par. But 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:29.520 as soon as you want to make Bertie, that's when 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.000 you bring bogie in. If you want to make eagle, 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:35.600 you're going to bring double in. To me. That is 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.120 absolutely perfect because it's probably relatively easy for a good 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:42.160 player playing well to cruise around here, have a decent week, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.200 finish top twenty, take no risks, put a nice check 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.000 in his pocket, and just walk away and get invited 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.200 back next year and happy days. But to win the tournament, 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:51.640 you have to go for everything. And when you go 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:53.920 for everything, that's when it can all go wrong. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:16:01.120 It almost too becomes enhanced when you're in the position too, 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:07.000 So like if you were yeah, because like if you're 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.840 coming down that back nine and you're in fifteenth, you 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.400 know you have a shot if you play great nine, 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.440 But if you're in fiftieth, like it is what it is. 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:22.640 Yeah, yeah, it's It just makes you so nervous this course, 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:27.440 and the only way to make birdies and have do 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.800 great shots is to take on shots you don't want 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.280 to take on. Like on a normal week, you just 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.680 wouldn't hit that second shot to fifteen. I mean, it 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.120 looks like you're hitting a three on on the top 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.840 of a Volkswagen Beetle. It just wow, this is a really, 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:41.680 really hard shot. But if you want to win, you've 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:43.240 got to hit it, and you've got to get your 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.920 head into that place where obviously guys like Phil and 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.640 Tigers seem to get it into that fearless swing, that 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.800 rory kind of that that free swing. It's like, you 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.720 know what, the only way I can hit this shot 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.640 is to be loose, but the difficulty of the shot 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.920 and the potential train wrecks. The challenge is to get 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.520 loose with that much trouble around. It's really that's that's 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.760 to me. The whole essence of the Masters is to 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:09.760 swing loose with hyper aggressive, really risky plays, and that's 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:10.760 a really difficult thing to do. 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:15.480 It's the counterintuitive of GoF Like it's a really scary 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.960 shot and most people get cautious, and then when you 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:19.440 get cautious, you're dead. 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.399 Yeah. Human nature is to like, well, this is risky, 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.600 so I'm not sure about this. I'll just carefully, like 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:26.600 just feed it up there so I don't get any trouble. Well, 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:28.560 that's why you get into trouble, because you get careful 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:28.879 about it. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.120 It's funny. I always say I'm like a scuba I'm 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.520 like a snorkeler when I play golf. Like if I 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.159 get a little under the water, I'm fine. But as 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.119 soon as I get a certain spot, that's when I 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.680 start protecting and I start losing it. But that's what 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.439 makes you, guys so great. You're nuclear subs. Like everybody 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.880 that's playing in the Masters, for the most part, has 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:49.720 the ability to get there but then this is a 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.200 golf course that makes it even harder to get there 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.359 because it's even scarier, right it is. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.800 And I mean it's it's all part of it's so 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.119 the whole picture. I mean, the build up to the 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.960 Masters is outrageous. Every media official in the world is here, 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:07.479 everybody's watching. It's the one everybody wants to win, at 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:09.679 least in April. It's the one everyone wants to win 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.880 because it's the first one for six or nine months. 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:14.600 It sets up the whole year for everybody, and it 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:16.800 sets up your career. It's just such a huge deal. 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.120 And it's a course that just and so your kind 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.480 of anxious performance anxiety anyway, Like it's hard to be 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.159 loose and free, but the only way to play it 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:27.919 well is to be loose and free. So you've got 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.159 that fight in yourself that you're desperate to win or 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.800 you really want to win really badly, and that usually 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.680 creates tension and tightness and being careful. But the only 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:37.959 way to play it well is to be the other 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.159 way around. And if you look at historically, guys like 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:41.960 Fred Kauple's play there every year, I mean, that's the 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:47.560 pit of me of a loose Skulfer. You know, it's Phil, 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.200 you know, it's win all. Oh well, it doesn't matter, 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.520 like I just want to win. So that's really those 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.000 sort of guys are going to play well. And I 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.240 think that's why it's so hard for guys when it 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:59.840 like Rory at the moment when it becomes their thing. 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.760 You know, it was Norman and Duval and Earliels and 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.119 it was that they just every year it gets harder 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.040 to be loose, because how do you that one thing 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.560 you really want the world the most, you have to 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.440 be looser than every other week. That's a really really 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:16.480 hard thing to do, you know, I think. 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:21.080 I mean, you see with Tiger ever once once way Yang, 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:26.159 like I think that's like a fundamental thing, like nobody 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.760 had beaten them. He'd never lost in that moment, and 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.520 he lost in that moment. It's like he actually decided 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:34.320 he never had experienced it. 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.720 You know, it's like you don't know, Yeah, there'd be 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:40.840 an argument to say, like a psychologist convention would sit 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.160 down and like analyze the whole thing. But if he'd 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.160 lost one or two early, yeah, he might actually still 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.520 be winning more now he might have ended up with more. 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.720 I mean he saw Nick Jack got comfortable with losing 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.919 because I mean he won a lot, but he finished 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.000 second a lot and third a lot. Tiger never lost. 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.359 What was he like fifty and oh when he started 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:04.840 Sunday and the outrageous number and when he's there's some 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.000 quite a lot of the magic was gone obviously when 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:10.480 Yang beat him, because it had been going on for 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.320 so someone. At some point he was going to lose, right, 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:16.600 I mean, you can't win forever. It's it's interesting. I mean, 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:18.240 obviously a lot of other stuff happened too, but it 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:22.639 is interesting. Jack lost more than he won. Yea. So 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.920 it's almost like the lost the losses were he was 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.119 a bit more teflon for the losses. It was a 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:32.720 bit more like he didn't develop the scars because he 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:34.800 was used to losing along with winning all the time. 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:40.240 It's crazy. It's like goth for mortals is a game 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:44.000 of ninety nine percent failure. Like my buddy said this 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.159 to me, like at one point he's like, so that 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.359 one percent when you actually succeed is like it's the 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.840 greatest feeling in the world. And but for Tiger it 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.400 wasn't that way because and that's what makes you better 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:57.359 is the failure. It makes you better a lot of times. 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.320 Right, Well, that's what they say. And you definitely learn 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.080 a lot more from when you get it wrong than 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:04.639 when you get it right. When you get it right, 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:06.119 you walk away and say how easy is this? When 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.359 you get it wrong? As all, I've got to do 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.440 something better next time. You don't walk away from a 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:12.640 success and think I've got to do something better next time. 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:14.720 You know or you don't see what you did wrong 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:16.360 because you won. 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:22.440 It's interesting through three usually were you thinking like I 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.160 got to get off to a good start here because 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:25.160 of the naxt few horse. 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.200 You certainly want to be under before you're over at 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.520 the Masters. And if you've messed the first up, which 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.200 is very easy to do, you bog you the first, 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:35.359 it's not the end of your day because you've got 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.239 two and three. And as I was talking about three, 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:38.920 three is tricky, but it's still a birty whole. You 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.600 still got a sandway or a wedge. But two. You 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.640 want to make Bertie on two and hopefully be under 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:46.920 power before you want to be one under on the 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.080 fourth t Maybe two that would be great, because four's 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.919 incredibly difficult. Five is going to be even harder now, 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.000 but it's always been tricky. Six, depending on the pin, 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.360 that's a little tough, really tough stretch those three holes. 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:02.720 So yeah, you want to be under before you You 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:04.520 want to under before you're over. Yeah, seven is a 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:06.920 pin is a pin specific thing to like six, six 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.520 with the pin low on the bottom tier, and seven 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:12.400 with the pin in that bowl and the right legitimately 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:17.359 decent birdy chances, but seven with that pin on the 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:19.080 kind of the high one on the left just over 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.800 the bunker where it crowns off both ways, hard to 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:23.520 hit it close, and it's playing a little bit long, 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:24.960 and it's early in the morning. You get a five 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:27.760 on into there, it's like, wow, that's a really hard hole. 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:29.680 And six with the pin on the high tier, that 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:34.440 crazy high thing on the right, that is one of 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:36.360 the toughest seven or eight ims or six onnes you'll 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:39.719 ever have. So they can flip six and seven can 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:41.399 go from easy to difficult, but you can have that 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:43.480 day where four, five, six and seven four of the 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:45.879 hardest holes on the course. So yeah, you want to 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:46.760 be under before you're over. 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.200 It's funny. I got this book. This guy did a 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:54.880 strokes gained analysis Joe Peter. He took all the trackers. 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.639 He scraped it so he had stroke gains statistics from 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.640 last year. One of the things he found there's only 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:04.959 one double or worse on eight and then but then 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:08.320 there's very few eagles. It's like one of the least varied. 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.920 Horse It's a tough eagle hole because I mean, you 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.600 see everyone gets in and watches on Saturday and Sunday 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:16.240 and Tiger or Phil or Rory or something and in 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.720 there swinging it in. But it's a really big two 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.800 hits for most players. Now there's no run on the fairway. 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:23.919 That bunker on the right is really hard to avoid 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:26.840 some reason. It's quite magnetic because the left trees are 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:30.119 really rough. But there's no real train wreck on eight. 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:31.399 Even if you hit it in the left trees off 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:32.760 the tee, you kind of punch it up the hill, 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.160 hit whatever you can on the middle of the green. 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:37.800 It's quite a receptive green to hit it within twenty 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:40.919 five feet because it's high on both sides. It doesn't 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:43.800 repel balls, it brings them back towards the hole. So 0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:45.760 it's relatively easy if you want it to make again, 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:47.280 if you want to make par and eight every time, 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:51.080 easy as just take a punch bowl. Yeah, it's kind 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:52.720 of like a punch bowl. And the fairway is really 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.520 massively wide. If you just safe out to the left, 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:56.919 safe up on top of you can lay it up 0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:58.520 as far right as you want. You can hit it 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:00.879 one hundred yards right of the green. Long you've got 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:02.960 a football field to hit it into right of the green. 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:05.840 But then it gets difficult to hit it close for three, 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:09.920 but hit it inside six feet for three or stuff. 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:13.280 But did it inside thirty feet quite easy. So if 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:16.000 there is it's a birdie in parhole really, I mean 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:18.000 the whole field. That's what your stats say too. I 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:19.800 would have said, yeah, most of the half the field, 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:21.520 make five. Half the field make four kind of. 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:26.480 I was looking at the old pictures and there's center 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:28.840 line bunker is now the rate bunker. Do you think 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:31.400 if they opened that right side up you'd see more 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.000 eagles because you're actually heading from the proper angle line. 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:37.320 Yeah, a little bit. I mean they probably were ten 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.119 years in front with the letter the depth. How far 0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:42.159 that bunker was from the tee. I mean it's a 0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:47.080 three ten carry or something uphill, which is turning out 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.199 to probably be about right now, right, But when they 0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:52.359 did it, it's been there my whole career pretty much. 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:56.080 I think it was I could sometimes not get it 0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:58.680 to the bunker right. I was forty yards from carrying it. 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:02.720 And it's a deep bunker and it's a tricky shot 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:04.280 out of it, but it's not the worst, so people 0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:05.840 are willing to take it on because again, if you 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:07.000 hit it in the bunker, then you just lay it 0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:08.200 up and hit a wedge on the green. And it's 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:11.520 really it adds half a shot, like it's not adding 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:13.880 three shots, like hitting it in the water on thirteen 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:18.520 or something. Yeah, I don't know. I don't mind it. 0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:20.800 I don't. I think it's a pretty good balance for 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:24.760 how we're playing right now. I think there's room on 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:27.280 the course for a part five that only the really 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.240 strong guy I can get to and too. And it's 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:35.199 a really brave shot. The second shot, it's you've got 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:39.960 to hook quite solidly, like some sort of three wood 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:41.440 or something up and to get it on the green 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:43.920 to anywhere close. And that's a really difficult shot off upslope, 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:45.520 and whenever you try to do that off an upslope, 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:49.359 you generally miss it right and that hole allows you 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:51.920 to miss it right, so your brain says, okay, it's 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.639 okay if I don't hook this, So everyone generally just 0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:56.480 flares it out to the right wedges it under the green. 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:57.560 I think it's a good balance. 0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:01.840 Actually, I like it because when you miss the rate 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.360 and then you're tripping over those mounds, it's really hard 0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:06.960 to hit it close, which makes it hard to make birdie. 0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:09.560 But it's still a relatively easy pa. Yeah, it does 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:11.320 make it hard car it's. 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:14.399 But if you get the ball over the left, especially 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.080 with those rate pins, it's easier. It's much easier to 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:17.359 make it. 0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:21.160 So if you breathe, yeah, I mean strategically, it ticks 0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:23.440 every box right, Like the more risk you take on 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:26.159 the tea it's closer to the bunker, the easier, the 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:27.560 less you have to hook your second shot on, the 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:32.800 easier it is. The more that the less risk you 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:34.399 take off the tee, then the harder it's hit it 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:35.720 on the grain. And it's just exactly the same on 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.320 the second show. If you take no risk, the further 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.480 right you go, the hardier wedge. The further left you go, 0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:43.359 the easier your wedge. But the further left you go 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:45.080 you risk going down into all the flowers and the 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:47.720 trees and the rubbish. I mean, this course does that 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:51.439 all the way around. It ticks strategy one I one 0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:54.920 like and in an interesting different way all the way around. 0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:59.720 It's they just get it. It's just right names the 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:07.280 easy driving hole right maybe statistically, but it's easy if 0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:11.520 you can turn it over. And it's another one of 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:13.920 those holes that coaxes you into trying to take more 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:17.040 than you need to on like you really want to 0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:21.960 hit a big high draw because it goes further, like 0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.520 it has more of a forward bounce rather than a 0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:29.040 sideways bounce. It's a relatively easy ta shot to hit 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.880 the fairway. But again it's a bit like the second 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:33.760 shot on eight. It kind of tries to suck you 0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:38.040 into taking on more than you need and because you 0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:40.199 don't want, if you kind of flare it a little bit, 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:41.920 it's pretty easy to not hit in the right trees, 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:44.359 but you end up with this downslope ball below your 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.160 feet six iron into this green that really isn't fit 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:50.240 for that set up. So it encourages you to take 0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:51.480 on more than you want, and you'll see a lot 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:53.840 of guys hit in the left trees because they're trying 0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:55.560 to kind of get those big bounces and get it 0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:57.720 down the bottom of the hill and hit like a 0:27:57.760 --> 0:27:59.880 wedge in which makes it relatively easy, but it's hard 0:27:59.880 --> 0:28:01.879 to get it to that spot. So easy to hit 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:05.720 the fairway, but again it dangles the carrot like it 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:07.280 kind of sucks you when you're trying to take on 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:08.040 more than you should. 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:14.680 It's this guy said that approach shot, that front ball 0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:16.359 is the easiest approach shot. 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.520 Joe with a stat on the whole court, do you 0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:22.720 just say name, Oh yeah, yeah, the front pin definitely 0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:25.639 one hundred percent, because it's almost impossible to hit it 0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.240 over the ninth green, like it doesn't matter. It plays 0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:31.960 quite long because it's depending on how far you hit it. 0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:35.359 It's kind of uphill, and it effectively plays uphill because 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:38.040 you're hitting it off such an extreme. People always end 0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:41.120 up short. Always end up short because you're nine on 0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:44.920 or go five or five. It's you're off such a downslope. 0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:46.960 It's hard to get it in the air the second shot, 0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:49.280 so nine one goes really flat, so it hits the 0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:52.480 ground before it normally would, and it's ain't bouncing forward 0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:55.680 unless it lands up top so you can really take 0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:57.480 quite a lot more club. Missing the green to the 0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:02.120 right isn't a problem, so that front and anything really 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:04.160 that goes twenty or thirty feet past it will generally 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:08.600 come back towards the pin. So yeah, that's certainly the 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:10.400 easiest pin on the green, but it's also the one 0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:12.440 that you can if you don't know what you're doing, 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:13.239 you can get it wrong too. 0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:17.040 So you turn, you're making the turn, and then that 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:19.560 back nine, Like, what are you thinking about early in 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:20.200 that back night? 0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:23.960 Well, ten and eleven and twelve get your attention that 0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:29.120 you certainly think about where you shouldn't, but it's in 0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:32.000 your head. You really want to get through twelve. Like, 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.000 if you're in twelve, in good shape, you're having a 0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.440 good day. You know, good things can happen after that. 0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:40.600 Ten is arguably, I think the second shot on ten, 0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.360 unless you really smashed one down there long and down 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:45.080 there and left and got a short one in, is 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:48.720 maybe the hardest swing on the course for me. Downslope, 0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:52.120 ball above your feet, five iron to a green that 0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:55.880 looks minuscule from up there. You're going down a pretty 0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:58.360 steep hill and it's such a beautiful environment. It's such 0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:01.400 a ten is one of my favorite holes to play. 0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:03.640 It's a fun t shot. You're really trying to hit 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:05.080 a really big draw, but if you don't, it's not 0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:06.280 the end of the world. You just get a really 0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:10.320 hard second shot. Every time I part ten, I was happy. 0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.080 And that's another swing. You have to swing free on 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:15.600 that second shot on ten because it makes you be 0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:18.320 careful but plays a little bit longer than it looks. 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:21.560 The green looks tiny, the right bunkers definitely no guarantee, 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:23.640 and left anything can happen when it bounces down left 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:27.200 under them Amelia bushes. So nine you get the downslope 0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:31.640 feed lie to slightly alvi green. Then ten you get 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:34.240 the downslope hook lie. Yeah. Nine you're get to a 0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:37.800 downslope fade lie to a green that really it encourages 0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:40.840 a low fade the lie, but the shot requires a 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:44.520 high draw. And ten you get the low draw lie 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:47.720 and the shot really requires a high fade. And that's 0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:49.240 two two holes in a row. You've got that. 0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:53.320 Yeah, the way that green sits and the bunker that 0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:56.360 eats up that rate. It's brilliant because you got to 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.680 hit something that way, yeah, or else it goes further away. 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:02.320 See that every year the ball running away from the 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:03.960 hall that looks like it's going to be close and 0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:05.840 then it ends up thirty feet away. 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:11.360 And I love that idea of really to play ten great, 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:15.680 you know, have to faded into tent. It just presents 0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:17.920 like kind of want to and it lands a bit 0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:20.239 softer and it's more receptive where you have to draw 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:21.440 it off the tee and then to fade on the 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:25.000 second shot. Yeah, ten is brilliant and ten is a 0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:27.520 I mean, it's obviously it's been talked about the green 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.320 I guess a sphair bit, but that is a really 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:32.800 really hard green to read. It does some mysterious things, 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:36.760 and it's always in the shade, Yeah, the shade with 0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:40.760 the odd little patch of sun, and it's a it's 0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:44.239 a really intimate spot with the crowd the patrons too. 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.440 It's like it's a it's a brilliant place. I mean, 0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:51.320 ten is one of my favorite sort of environments to 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:53.000 hit golf shots in it and play in the world. 0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:55.200 It's just just a great feeling hole. But you're very 0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.000 happy to make part on ten and eleven clearly is 0:31:58.760 --> 0:31:59.080 it's the. 0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:01.560 Most exec shouan oriented all right. 0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:03.959 Yeah, the te shot. It got a lot narrow when 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:06.320 they put the trees in on the right, But the 0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:08.120 first year they put the trees in it on the right, 0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:11.000 it was narrower and the trees were a bit denser. 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:15.840 They I don't think they ever actually said that they 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:18.959 made it wider, but I think they did. Maybe they 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:20.440 made it wider on the left, I'm not sure, but 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:23.320 it is a very wide fair way even still with 0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:24.320 the trees on the right. 0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:27.200 It's fifty yards wide. I think they posted on Instagram. 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.000 I'd never seen it before. I hadn't seen it in 0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:31.520 that Gough digest right up where they have all the gain. 0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.640 It used to have a principal no center line bunker. 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:38.240 The tea used to be behind the tenth green. Yeah, 0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:40.520 and it was almost a dog leg to the right 0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:44.720 with a center bunker, so the narrow side being on 0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:47.080 the right to get the good angle to not have 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.120 to come over the water, and then most people would 0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:51.320 end up going left of the bunker and then having 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:54.600 to go across the water. I mean that would probably 0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:57.680 be more interesting, but the scale and space isn't there 0:32:57.840 --> 0:32:59.800 for that. Now you use too short. Guys would drive 0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:02.480 it on green from behind the tenth group now, so 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:06.720 now it encourages you still to kind of drive it 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:08.680 up the right, but really eleven, everyone's just trying to 0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:10.640 hit on the fairway because everyone just kind of wants 0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:13.760 to go thirty forty feet right of the pin two 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.000 part and get out of there. Eleven and twelve are 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:18.960 really you would take four to three there every day 0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:21.600 and run to the thirteenth seat. Hope when you hit it. 0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:24.720 You know, we see every bait bell short rate. What's 0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:25.560 that pitchhake? 0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.160 Really tough? So larry my shot? Yeah, oh my goodness. 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:31.240 I mean if you go over watch practice rounds at 0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:33.800 the Masters, every group that comes through, everybody's hitting the 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:35.200 toun of those because you know you're going to be 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.600 there twice and three times, four times in a bad week, 0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:43.280 once in a good week. It's chipping. At the Masters. 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.560 The grass is so short and it's generally cut towards 0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.760 like where you are, so you're hitting into the grain. 0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.080 I mean it's not really grainy, but it's enough to 0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:58.160 make you pay attention, and it's incredibly quick from that's 0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:00.280 the low point of the course when everybody talks about 0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:03.160 like the grain or the slope or the pitch or 0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:05.360 everything breaks towards the red dot, and there's all these 0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:07.680 theories about everything everything breaks towards eleventh green and the 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:11.080 Telk green that's the low point. So that whole green 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:14.879 is savage towards the pond on the left. So you're 0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:18.879 chipping uphill a little bit, not a lot, but enough too, 0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:23.319 a really steep down slope. And the real tricky thing 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:26.080 at the Masters, and that's probably the spot where it's 0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:28.400 most evident, is the fringes are quite slow and the 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:32.040 greens are very fast, so you really the best way 0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:33.680 to play is to just get you sixty out of 0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:35.759 fifty six and just get some spin on a little 0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:37.080 pitch and land it on the green and have it 0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:39.600 grab and bribble down. But that's a really scary shot, 0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.760 especially with the thin kind of grass or the short 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:45.120 grass and the water past it. 0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:47.560 And when you see like the greens against you on 0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.000 the chip, it just means like if you don't get 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:53.360 to hit that like little fat and have it go 0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:55.040 through and be okay, right, it just. 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:58.600 Has to be more precise. Yeah, it's not out and out. 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:02.680 A good shot will be good off any lie, but 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.359 it just is less room for error. You can't catch 0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:07.279 that blade of grass before you catch the ball, or 0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:09.839 it's going to go shorter than it would if there wasn't. 0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:12.080 The grain is shue, and again it's not super grainy, 0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:14.520 and it's a little bit over blown that sort of thing, 0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:16.680 the grass towards the tee, but it's just enough to 0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:20.279 make you pay attention. But so you end up maybe 0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:24.040 doing that one skip like Larry Mais. I mean, I 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:25.719 think it looked a little different thre his bounce two 0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:28.160 or three times on that thing. It's harder to do 0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:30.560 that now, I think, especially in a wet week. Love this. 0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.000 It's one of those things you want to the safe 0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:37.319 players to bump it along the ground, but you can 0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:40.040 get that wrong because the fringe catches really fast. It's 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:41.480 a bit like over the back of fifteen too. The 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.960 fringe catches the ball really quick, and if you force 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:46.839 that just a little bit and it takes you want 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:48.759 three bounces, it only takes two. Well, it's going to 0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:53.200 go straight in the pond. So that that and the 0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.520 shots from over the back of the fifteenth are the 0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:58.200 two wed shots that will get your attention. They're really 0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:01.440 really tricky. The whole forces you to hit it there 0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:03.959 almost it encourages you to hit it there, so because 0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:05.920 it kind of bail out, that's the bailout. I mean, 0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:07.120 you don't want hit it in the pond because then 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:08.640 you've got the drop zone over it. You've got to 0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:09.479 go over the pond again. 0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:12.480 And it's like eventually you got to take the pandam 0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.040 on both those shots. Like if you if you bail 0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:16.920 right on eleven, you got to take the pand down 0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.400 on your third chat, And if you bail long on fifteen, 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.400 say with your second chat, you've got to take the 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.200 pandawn with the chip back. 0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:25.919 Yeah, and eleven. I guess it's prob maybe a little 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.319 untalked about. You can't shit it short of the green 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:30.680 because anything short of the green there's the big mounds, 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:35.120 the just mint, they're just perfect. They're like, oh forty 0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:37.319 thirty forty twenty hours short of the green on the right. 0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:39.400 So anything in that lands short right like where you 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:40.160 really want to hit it. 0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:41.600 It just it can. 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.080 It doesn't always, but it can bounce thirty hours to 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:47.080 left and go in the water. So you can't go 0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:49.120 five yards short of the front edge right, which is 0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:50.960 really where you want to hit it, and it's like 0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:54.880 this course has got that everywhere that oh, this is 0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:56.440 where you want to go, but you can't. We're going 0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:58.319 to make you take this on. You have to take 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:00.279 this on in some respect. Even missing the green to 0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:03.480 the right, you have to hit it deeper than you want, 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:05.759 You have to hit it further than you want. It's 0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:09.879 there's so many little suddle things like that out there 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:11.600 that's incredible, and so that's the probably hit in the 0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.719 right trees. There's some gaps through there, and you can 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:16.120 get it on the green, but you have to take 0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:17.799 it over those mounds that are short right of the green, 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:19.279 and if it goes over the mound the wrong way, 0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:21.239 it just runs into the water. So you wind up 0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:22.560 you hit those guys who get it all the way 0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:24.920 out of the twelfth teet like they're just way out 0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:26.640 there and people must be watching, what are they doing? 0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:30.360 But you can't risk that front right short of the 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:31.560 green because it can go in the water. 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:36.920 So then twelve's got to be scariest shot. Yeah, it's 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.760 other than the fifteen to second chat. 0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:44.120 Twelve is, Yeah, fifteen is a harder shot. Yeah, twelve is. 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:47.759 I wouldn't. It's all mostly in your head. The wind 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:52.239 can get really weird the kind of middle pin and 0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:56.239 the left pin, and that day they have a minute 0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:59.040 can be a pitching wedge, and if it's not too windy, 0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:02.600 it really isn't too difficult. But once the pin gets 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:04.640 over on that right half of the green and maybe 0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:06.359 there's a little bit there's a one club wind. That's 0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.000 and it's true, you have absolutely no clue where it's 0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:13.040 going from. Like the wind can whistle if it's coming 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:15.280 from the right way, it can pump down the thirteenth fairway, 0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.800 and there's a massive wall of trees behind twelve, so 0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:21.440 it seems to come down thirteenth fairway, it kind of 0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:23.640 around the bend and hit the trees and almost bounce 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:26.200 back towards the tee. So all day, if you look 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:28.279 at your your wind map or your compass in your 0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:30.400 yardish book, you know it's supposed to be down off 0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:32.600 the left or down off the right or whatever, but 0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:36.759 it actually one minute out of every three it can 0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:39.359 play into the wind because it's bouncing off that big 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:41.120 wall of trees and it kind of holds up the ball. 0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:42.640 So you know that. 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:45.560 So everyone has a theory about looking at the flag 0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:48.719 on eleven or wait till this does that and then 0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:51.840 hit it then. And I haven't. I've said two or 0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:54.279 three days there two or three situations that were just like, 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:57.799 oh my god, I just what do I do? Because 0:38:57.840 --> 0:38:59.319 it's very easy to hit it in the bank over 0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:02.600 the back too, and the water is the ultimate miss 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:04.400 because then you have to do it again like we 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:06.680 saw Jordan and historically lives a lot of people do that. 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:10.799 So the right pin is tough, and taking the wind 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:13.040 out of the wind is an element that has really 0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:17.040 made the whole famous probably, but without that the genius, 0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:19.120 especially because most golf is the right handed in that 0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:22.640 short riders in the water and long left is over 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:24.879 the green, and a right hander, when they miss it left, 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:26.799 it goes long, and they miss it right, it goes short. 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:28.920 And those are the misses when you're a little unsure, 0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:32.440 that cut pop up because your tempo gets a little off. 0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.279 And if you want to eat the Nicholas has just 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:36.799 go over the bunk and go left to the pin 0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:39.040 and put it over. And that's a great theory. But 0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:41.440 the middle of the green is shorter than where the 0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:44.640 pin is, so if you pick that line and hit 0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:46.040 it right of that line, you're going to go in 0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:48.640 the water. So I guess a lot of people would 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.000 see guys hit it, and some big names. It's the 0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:52.480 big moments have hit it in the water. And the 0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:54.160 right on twelve, Well, if they're trying to play the 0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:56.200 smart play and push it, it's guaranteed to be in 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:58.400 the water. But if you're trying to go to the 0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:00.200 pin somewhere near the pin and you pull it, you're 0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:01.759 going to be on that hill or over the back. 0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:07.000 And for a left hander, I think it's fifty percent 0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:10.799 easier a half shut at least. Yeah, because their pool 0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.239 goes long, so ams at them, Philip barbarraim at the 0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:14.879 middle of the green. They pull it, it gets there 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:19.040 and they push it. It doesn't go long. So if 0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:20.919 there was no angle, if the t was twenty yards 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:22.360 further the ride or thirty yars further the right, it 0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:24.319 wouldn't be much of a it wouldn't be the hole 0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:26.960 it was. It'd be beautiful and famous and it'll be tricky, 0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:29.399 but it wouldn't have that kind of edge of Wow. 0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:32.759 It's like the importance of an angle, yeah, because you're 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.840 hitting from essentially they put it in a disadvantage angle 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:36.800 for a right hand. 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:41.200 Yeah, I mean it's genius. The front left edge would 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:43.120 be I don't have the book in front of me, 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:46.080 but it's probably fifteen yards short of the front right edge, 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:48.719 and the back left edge is probably close to the 0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:50.440 front edge on the right pin, so if you go 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:52.640 to the left hand side of the green, back edge 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:57.200 will only just carry on the right. So it's you've 0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:58.920 got to pick your spot, pick your club. I hope 0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:00.520 you get the club right, pick your spot and hit 0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:02.760 it within your five yards either side of your target, 0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:04.320 and you're pretty much at the grain every time. But 0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:07.480 if you don't, you've got long left, which is stressful, 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:10.520 less stressful than the water, but it's and it just 0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:13.640 makes you nervous, Like it's a beautiful as I said 0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:15.120 ten eleven twelve, you just want to get to the 0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:17.000 thirteenth team at that point, like, just get me there, 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:20.800 no carnage. Maybe you're feeling it good, you maybe you 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:22.840 make a birdie through ten eleven twelve. Whatever it's happened, 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:24.520 you know you can do it. But it's definitely the 0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:26.879 part of the course that can ruin your. 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:30.160 Day the most Wednesday's Pad. You said that the thirteenth 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.719 tevas is the best tavacent golf like that. 0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:37.120 It's the best place in professional golf by a long way. 0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:41.080 On one about playing fields at least, I don't know. 0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:44.480 It's just your two hundred yards probably one hundred and 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:47.759 eighty yards at least from the nearest spectator. There's maybe 0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:51.719 a Master's official back there hiding back there, and there's 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:53.680 a CBS guy, I think, just to make sure the 0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:55.279 camera's on a tripod. I think. I don't think he 0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:58.400 actually mans the camera, but just to make sure it's 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:02.799 all working. And otherwise it's completely silent and you've come 0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:05.680 off twelve. Where there's the most beautiful noise in golf 0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:07.399 is when you make a putt on twelve and there's 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:11.200 that speed of sound gap, right, You've got that three 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:13.440 seconds until you hear the cheers and the collapse. It's 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:15.439 just fantastic. I mean, I don't know, there's something about 0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:17.840 it that's just really rare in golf. And it's just 0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:20.239 a nice feeling. So you're back on thirteen, you're tucked away, 0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:22.680 nobody can see you, and you're looking at the most 0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:25.680 beautiful T shirt in the world. So it's like it's 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:29.600 just a nice you're always on show. You're a goldfish 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:32.839 at something like the Masters, Right. The appeal to golf, 0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:34.440 I guess from a spectator a lot of times is 0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:37.440 that they're so close to us. And I guess that's 0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:39.560 why that's just such a nice change for us, because 0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:43.960 we're two hundred yards really from the nearest fan. It's 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:45.680 just a nice place, and it's just such a good hole. 0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:47.560 We're just excited. We've just come off the toughest stretch 0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:49.520 on the course and we're about to play the funnest 0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:50.279 stretch on the course. 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:56.200 When you're playing in front of a crowd, how I 0:42:56.239 --> 0:43:01.279 mean do different events like is there like a a 0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:05.120 point where you just start noticing them? Yeah, for sure. 0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:09.600 Usually for me it's odd. But I've always found the 0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:12.600 bigger the crowd, the easier it is, because it all 0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:15.319 kind of blends in. I've always found the toughest crowd 0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:18.440 the three people, four people, because it's a bit more 0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:21.400 intimate and personal and they almost feel like they can 0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:25.520 talk to you, and it's a there's something kind of 0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:28.000 unnerving about two or three guys standing right near you. 0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:31.680 It's kind of I don't know. I've always found that 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:36.439 harder than or that one guy who stands behind your put. 0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:38.680 There's one guy at the Pudding Green and he walks 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:40.400 around to stand right behind the line of your put 0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:42.160 to watch your put. And it's a perfectly fair thing 0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:43.960 for him to do, and that's a great way to 0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:47.040 watch your put. But it's you notice that one guy. 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:50.799 But you get to the Phoenix Open, and I mean 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:52.960 that would be a little different. But you're in the 0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:56.319 Masters and there's five thousand people on every hole. It's 0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:58.239 just a bit of a blur. It blends in and 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:00.960 it's almost it's white noise. So it's like the noise 0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:03.239 canceling headphones. It's almost you don't notice them as much. 0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:07.480 It's like there's constant noise. Like I was playing a 0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:12.319 tournament at Beverly in Chicago, which is like over it's 0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:15.600 like you know, in the city of Chicago, major streets, 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:19.839 and then right over Midway is flying over like all 0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:23.960 day and it's it's gotta be the loudest course in America. 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:26.680 And but then like it's so funny, you don't even 0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:29.440 notice it after a couple of horse. 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:31.799 Yeah, it is. It's like there's a few there's there's 0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:33.600 a few famous courses around the world to have the 0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:37.160 airports and Sernander is, to be fair, it's kind of 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:40.120 one of them. There's Lucas the RIF base, and there's 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.319 jets all day and that kind of helps a little 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:47.360 bit sometimes. And Tory Pines is renowned for f eighteens 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.560 and hornets and all sorts of stuff. They're flying absolutely 0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:53.879 all day and it does create this kind of noise 0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:56.239 canceling headphones effect. It's just you don't even notice it 0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:56.719 after a bit. 0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:59.040 So then when you go back to thirteen, it's kind 0:44:59.040 --> 0:44:59.359 of weird. 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:04.279 It's really really quiet, and yeah, you can hear each 0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:07.960 other talk and it's just a it's a very odd place. 0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:11.160 When you play The Masters is such an assault on 0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.640 your senses. There's people everywhere, there's noise, and it's such 0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:19.120 a massive week that you've got this spot on the 0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:24.319 course that's just totally silent. It's it's actually really nice. 0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:28.480 What do you What are you thinking about with that 0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:30.160 thirteenth T shirt? 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:35.520 Well, I'm for me. I've always kind of struggled to 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:38.680 hit a big drawer with a driver, so I I 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:43.479 kind of initially initially was trying to hit Threewood because 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:45.120 a lot of guys the longer guys would hit three 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:47.080 woods because it's much easier hit a hawk. And I 0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:49.000 played with Freddie early days a couple of times, and 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.000 he hit this great sweeping drawer with the three wood 0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:53.040 that was kind of I was very envious about. But 0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:55.840 it looked like the sensible way to play it. And 0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:01.879 the the trouble because it's once you've gone left once 0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:04.799 or twice, it spooks you for a long time about 0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:08.080 going left again. So your problem really is hitting it 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:14.160 through the fairway because that really takes out woll unless 0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:17.000 you get lucky in the pine straw. It brings in 0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:19.759 the risk. So I would try to hit kind of 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.720 three woods with a decent draw, but give the trees 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:28.160 a lot of air, like the trees are very penal, 0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:29.759 and everything seems to bounce in the water from the 0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:31.879 trees every single time, or left of the water even 0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:36.359 and that's just terrible. So I generally hit three wood, 0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:38.160 and I think I ended up hitting a few more drivers, 0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:42.320 trying to get a little bit more aggressive, but I 0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:47.919 I wasn't really that great, or haven't been that great 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:49.920 in big draws of drivers, so I kind of was 0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:52.640 willing to accept like a three or four one under 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:54.200 the green. I didn't really ever try to get much 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.359 closer than that, because, as I said, you hit one 0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:58.640 left one time and you get so burnt by being left, 0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:00.120 and you just feel like you've wasted a shot or 0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:02.719 two and you've missed out on maybe the funner shot 0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:05.880 on the course, which is the second shot. I used 0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:07.080 to give it a bit of air and I used 0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:08.680 to block a few and then you'd be way out 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:10.080 and you'd have to lay it up. But at least 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:13.960 that way you don't go left. So I would just 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:16.560 try to sort of almost back for the three would 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:18.000 and hit kind of a low, screaming hook. 0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:22.360 That was my plan. So messing that fair away you 0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:25.120 would be really mad because you didn't get to hit 0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:25.879 the second shot. 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:29.600 There's a funner shot on the course. For me, it's 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:34.399 just incredible, and what people don't it's such a genius hole. 0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:37.160 It's almost the perfect golf hole. And if it isn't 0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:38.759 the perfect golf hole, it's probably as close as you 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:44.160 can get to a perfect golf hole. It's strategically, the 0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:48.080 further let the closer to the water you get, you 0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:51.799 get like a threefold advantage. You get a flatter lie, 0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:54.840 you get closer to the green and you have a 0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:58.200 better angle if you the further away from the creek 0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:00.759 you are. The further from the green, the more the 0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:02.960 ball is above your feet, and the worse your angle 0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:09.279 into the green. And it's incredible how steeply or how 0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:11.520 much the ball is above your feet on that second shot. 0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:13.440 I think it surprises everyone for the first time when 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:15.040 they hit the second shot and to thirteen. They hit 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:17.879 a nice drive up to the middle of fairway, maybe 0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:19.440 around the corner a little bit, and they've got this 0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.439 four or five iron, three iron, four iron, five iron 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:25.799 with the ball legitimately six or eight inches above your feet, 0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:28.680 and that's really quite difficult. 0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:32.279 It's gonna be so hard to hit it high off 0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:32.960 that lay right. 0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:36.120 It's hard hit at high. And it's also because the 0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:38.399 trouble is short left and it goes to long right 0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:42.080 the way they again, it's another angle. It's another great angle. 0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:44.800 If you had a flat lie and everything else was 0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:46.759 being was kind of different, you would want to hit 0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:48.719 a fade into that green because you could hit a 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.279 shot that was basically never really going to be in 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:53.080 the water. You could start it left with the green 0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:55.600 and kind of the shortest carry I mean, the carry 0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:59.640 to the front edge is probably thirty yards shorter than 0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:01.880 the car carry to kind of the right edge of 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:05.239 that back right pin. So you could that safe one 0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:07.000 where you always fell a well, if I hit it straight, 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:08.560 then I'll just miss the green left. But I can 0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:11.880 kind of make birdie over there, but you have to 0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:14.040 with the ball above your feet kind of hit a draw. 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:16.279 And so you're hanging it over the long carrier and 0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:19.440 you're hanging it over the water, and yeah, it's hard 0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:21.040 to hit it high. And that shot is actually it 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:24.440 doesn't even look at when you're standing there, but the 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:27.720 water in the creek runs quite significantly and quite fast 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:32.320 from the green towards rays creek, it runs back towards 0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:34.839 the teeth, so it's obviously quite uphill. A second shot, 0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:38.160 I actually can't remember we've got slopes in our books 0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:41.000 now but what it plays, but it would definitely play 0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:44.000 five ten yards longer than it measures just because of 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:47.200 the hill. So you've got it's again, like it is 0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:48.719 all the way around the course. You've got this shot 0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:50.080 that all you want to do is hit a high fade, 0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:52.440 and all the all of the stances trying to give 0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:53.560 you as a low drawer. 0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:57.000 And the scale of that fair a way is what 0:49:57.280 --> 0:50:00.959 created the deception of the uphill on the second shot. 0:50:01.760 --> 0:50:05.759 I guess, yeah, it just doesn't seem you feel like 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:08.799 you kind of because you come down off the thirteenth tee, 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:11.160 you cross the creek and you walk all the way up. 0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:16.480 You walk up to your ball quite significantly really, so 0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:18.759 I guess it feels like you'll come back. It kind 0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:21.400 of seems like the corner is the high point. The 0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:23.000 way it all looks, and the way the trees are 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.160 and trees on the right are so much higher than 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:28.560 the trees the creek on the left. It's the second shot, Yeah, 0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:31.560 that it just feels like you should be going down 0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:33.920 to the green, but you're actually still going quite significantly 0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:34.480 up to the green. 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:38.080 That's really interesting, and that makes that shot even harder. 0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:45.000 Yeah, it plays longer the carry it gets every yard 0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:47.040 you go to the right, it gets two yards further 0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:49.000 to carry. You know. It's one of those kind of deals. 0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:53.040 It's but it's such a good fun shot to pull off. 0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:55.120 I mean, it's really a massive green. It might be 0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:57.000 the biggest green on the course, but it looks tiny 0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:01.239 from back there on the fairway and yeah, never that 0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:04.640 sad when you miss the green left. But it's a 0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:07.800 really tricky chip from left. I mean it's a crazy 0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:09.719 slope green and it's got that same thing as ten. 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:12.719 It's it's always in the shadows. Well, it's in the 0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:15.040 shadows from lunchtime onwards probably, So if. 0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:18.239 You're where you want to be, if you're playing well 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:20.280 and you're where you want to be on the weekend, 0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:21.040 it's in the shadow. 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:23.160 Yeah, it's in the shadows. If you're telling off anywhere 0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:27.320 remotely close to the lead, you are, and it's shadows. 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:29.960 It's not definitively all in the shade. There's like light 0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:33.560 patches and dark patches, and like there's that ultimate hard 0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:34.200 kind of light. 0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:38.480 To read a green in that little back run off 0:51:38.640 --> 0:51:41.480 area is really tricky, spart. 0:51:41.320 --> 0:51:44.080 Right, It's yeah, it's super tricky. It's kind of quite 0:51:44.080 --> 0:51:46.759 a significant kind of dip and the bunkers are actually 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:49.120 quite high. The bunkers are almost above the heart of 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:53.400 the green. But the I mean it's probably only a 0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:56.000 foot or two that little kind of dip between the 0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:57.600 back edge of the green or the left edge and 0:51:57.640 --> 0:51:59.120 the back edge of the green and those bunkers and 0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:01.560 up towards the flower. It's quite a significant dip, and 0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:05.480 it's enough that it's extremely slow to put up because 0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:08.880 it's quite a steep little hill, and it's like putting 0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:10.960 up a steep, little slow hill through the fringe and 0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:13.480 then just ultra fast all the way to the water. 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:16.759 It's not where you want to be. It's clearly better 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:19.960 than being in the water, and it's better than generally 0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:22.600 it's probably better than laying up even close to the creek, 0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:26.440 but it's still not really your favorite shot, especially if 0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:30.600 you're anywhere near the mix, because it's a Again, it's 0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:34.120 that that speed differential between fringe and green is so 0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:36.960 great that you want to run it through the fringe 0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:38.879 to the safety of the putter. But it's a really 0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:40.400 hard one to get right with the putter, so you 0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:42.239 kind of end up going with the wedge and if 0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:43.799 you don't get any spin on it, you don't clip 0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:46.560 it right, you catch the slope wrong. You can be 0:52:46.640 --> 0:52:48.480 thirty feet below the hole, or you can hitch itp 0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:50.319 it in the water pretty easy, or leave it down 0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:54.520 where your feet are, so it's you don't want to 0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:56.480 be down there. It's better than being right, but you 0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:57.359 don't want to be down there. 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:01.239 It gives you the ultimate and if you take it 0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:04.000 on and pull it off the second chart, really it does. 0:53:04.080 --> 0:53:08.759 And again it's that perfect situation that if you wanted 0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:10.480 to make five four days in a row, you would 0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:12.440 make five for the rest of your life. A professional 0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:14.480 golfer playing in the Masters would never not make five 0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:17.080 if his goal was to make a five. Because there's 0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:19.239 a thousand hours of fairway to the right. You could 0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:22.000 just something way out to the right, lay it up 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:23.799 into the biggest fairway on the court because it's really 0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:27.040 fourteen and thirteen fairway. You can lay it up as 0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:30.800 close to the creek as you want, left, right, anywhere, 0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:33.960 and it's really quite easy to hit the middle of 0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:36.320 that green in three shots. But you're never going to 0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:37.719 make four. So as soon as you try to make 0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:41.000 four or three, you're bringing the creek off the tee 0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:46.880 because the only the easier that it's relatively easy second 0:53:46.920 --> 0:53:48.959 shot if you're down near the creek around the corner, 0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:51.920 as I said, because it's flat lie the angle is 0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:55.040 better and you're closer to the green. 0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:59.479 The dynamics of like of where it is and knowing 0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:02.279 the back and with where people can just make up 0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:07.040 ground like crazy on there. It even if you have 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:08.680 a four shot lead, you kind of have to go 0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:09.040 for it. 0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:11.840 Right, Well, that's it if that's the first year or 0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:13.600 two was the fourth hole, right. 0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:15.600 Yeah, I wanted to ask you about this. 0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:18.600 It would be completely different. Well, it would still be 0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:20.319 a great hole and it be amazing, but people would 0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:22.960 play it differently as the fourth hole because they'd probably 0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:25.879 be more willing to accept not making birdie. But when 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:29.440 it's thirteen, especially late on Saturday or Sunday, you know, 0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:31.319 there's a few guys in contention. You're going to make 0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:33.200 three or four, or everybody's going to make four, it 0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:35.560 feels like, and a bunch of guys are going to 0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:37.200 make three, so you have to kind of try to 0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:39.160 make three and it's three or four, And as soon 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:40.400 as you try to do that, that's when you bring 0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:42.480 in all the stress, and that's when it's a really 0:54:44.400 --> 0:54:47.279 anxiety building hole, right because you have to hit two 0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:49.560 of the most high quality shots you have to hit 0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:52.800 anywhere to get that eagle part with all sorts of 0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:56.040 risk involved. When you really could just go bail out 0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:57.520 to the right, bail out to the right, have a 0:54:57.560 --> 0:55:00.480 relatively easy wedge with a big back stop to that 0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:03.480 Sunday pin. You can get it within twenty feet every time, 0:55:03.560 --> 0:55:06.880 but you can't really do that when you were in 0:55:06.880 --> 0:55:09.360 the mix and the six in front of something. I 0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:11.919 mean even three or four in front isn't enough. Really, 0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:17.080 the situation in the tournament being six holes to play, 0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:20.160 you really have to take on again. It makes you, 0:55:20.280 --> 0:55:22.279 It encourages you to take on shots that you might 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:23.560 not necessarily want to take on. 0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:28.680 I'm going to table my question about the flip till 0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:31.879 later because I want to go through the last few 0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:37.800 before we I ask you fourteen. We talked about it 0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:41.319 on the front nine and three a little bit. How 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:43.600 they are the holes where leaders pick up the most shots. 0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:48.400 So fourteen no bunkers. Everybody always talks about no bunkers. 0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:51.360 But it has some of the most severe contours. 0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:54.200 Right. It's probably the if anyone's never been there, which 0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:59.560 most people probably haven't, it's probably the green that freaks 0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:01.560 people out the most when they see how dramatic and 0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:04.160 crazy it is. I mean, it is a massive green 0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:07.320 left to right or right to left wide. It's not 0:56:07.400 --> 0:56:09.799 necessarily that deep, it's quite I mean it's deep enough. 0:56:09.880 --> 0:56:12.120 But the first fifteen out of the green is completely 0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:14.560 unusable because it's one of those big kind of Sinnandrews, 0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:17.800 like kind of false fronts, if you like. It's really 0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:20.640 big and severe, and it's super high on the left 0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:22.759 and it's almost like a three tier green from left 0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:25.399 to right. So it's really high on the left, really 0:56:25.400 --> 0:56:27.920 small little level on the left, the medium kind of 0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:29.680 level in the middle, and then quite a big level 0:56:29.719 --> 0:56:30.280 down the bottom. 0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:33.480 Right. Have you played past the temper I haven't played. 0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:36.439 You've seen that sixteenth green, right, Yeah, so it's kind 0:56:36.480 --> 0:56:37.399 of like that on the side. 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:37.759 Yeah. 0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:41.920 I've never heard anybody describe it like that, but that's 0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:42.640 what it clicked them. 0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:46.080 Yeah, so it's a green that you the T shirt. 0:56:46.120 --> 0:56:48.960 I think actually when they made that longer, they moved 0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:51.560 the tea back twenty or thirty when was it either 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:53.719 ninety eight or two thousand and five or whatever. They 0:56:53.760 --> 0:56:57.360 did those two changes, it got longer. I think the 0:56:57.400 --> 0:57:00.120 T shot got a little bit easier with that, and 0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:02.160 the fact when they started cut the fairways back to 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:03.880 the teeth, because I think in the old days, from 0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:05.399 what I hear is you had to hit a drawer 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:07.920 to keep it on the fairway because the fairway camps 0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:09.759 very it's quite high on the left and low on 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:12.640 the right, So anything with anything where it's straight or 0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:14.360 fade is going to hit and bounce and run to 0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:14.719 the right. 0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:18.960 So now there's a little seame ridge that moves down thirteen. 0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:22.520 Yeah, it's the same hill higher up the hill, but 0:57:22.640 --> 0:57:25.080 the same sort of slope, and you have to hit it. 0:57:26.320 --> 0:57:28.280 It's quite a big fairway now, I think it's bigger 0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:30.600 than it was before. The length actually made it a 0:57:30.640 --> 0:57:32.800 little bit easier to hit, I think, because it's quite 0:57:32.800 --> 0:57:34.040 hard to hit in the trees now. I mean you 0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:36.600 can run it out into the right raf, which is 0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:38.200 not ideal because it's a green you want a lot 0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:42.280 to spin into. But it went from like a hook 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:43.840 three would I think in the old days, to like 0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:45.400 just smash the driver and if you can draw it, 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:48.400 it's definitely an advantage because again the higher on the 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:51.200 left you get the flatter of stances. So again it's 0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:54.360 a bit like thirteen. In the closer on the inside 0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:56.960 of the dog leg you are the flatterer stance, and 0:57:57.000 --> 0:57:58.960 the higher up you are, so the shorter the second 0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:02.360 shot plays. But there's trees on the left that you, 0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:06.480 I think dust and carry them yesterday, but generally no 0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:08.480 one can get them. Massive trees and you kind of 0:58:08.480 --> 0:58:11.040 have to go around them. Have you hit them. They again, 0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:15.400 Augusta trees, they always bounce towards the trouble. Right Augusta 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:18.200 trees somehow make balls bounce into the trouble, not back 0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:22.560 onto the fairway. But it's I felt, a relatively simple 0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:24.320 t shot. If you as long as you were hitting 0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:27.240 a big fade for a right hander and get it 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:29.320 up there to eight nine, nine weirds, you've hit a 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:33.920 good one. And then the second shot is it changes 0:58:33.960 --> 0:58:38.760 every day with where the pin is, that famous kind 0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:41.360 of pin in the middle that they have on Sundays 0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:43.480 where anything within twenty or thirty feet left of it 0:58:43.640 --> 0:58:46.600 just goes at it just rolls towards it. That's a 0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:48.320 really fun pin to hit at when you're in the 0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:49.919 middle of the fairway, but you can get it wrong 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:52.080 because if you miss it two feet to the right 0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:53.560 of the pin, you're going to have a sixty foot 0:58:53.680 --> 0:58:55.720 from the bottom right of the green. And that's a 0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:58.160 part that might be the slowest part of Augusta. You 0:58:58.280 --> 0:58:59.480 got to smash it, so you don't want to do that. 0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:01.640 You can't gen short. If you miss the green shorts, 0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:04.520 it's a one in five up and down, maybe even more. 0:59:07.240 --> 0:59:09.160 And again it's a hole you want to hit a 0:59:09.240 --> 0:59:11.680 draw into because you want the drawer to be holding 0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:13.520 you on the slope when it lands. But the ball 0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:15.240 is so far below your feet on the second shot, 0:59:15.280 --> 0:59:17.720 it's really difficult to hit a draw, so you end up. 0:59:18.320 --> 0:59:20.240 I usually ended up having a ball that was moving 0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:22.280 left to right, so the first bounce or the spin 0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:25.120 that's kind of checking to the right, which accentuates all 0:59:25.120 --> 0:59:27.760 the slope on the green. So it's it is certainly 0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:32.880 a birdie hole with a good drive, but it's certainly 0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:35.600 a second shot that requires as much attention as any 0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:40.120 other second shot because if you can't, if you don't 0:59:40.160 --> 0:59:43.120 get it on the right level, you're going to have 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:45.680 a really long part or a really fast part. One 0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:47.400 O yell, and you can have puts on that green 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:51.479 that break twenty five feet from twenty five feet. 0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:55.880 The way that green sits in that ridge is perfect 0:59:56.000 --> 0:59:58.920 to make it that way too, because that whole thing 0:59:59.040 --> 1:00:02.400 kind of cascades, latten and rate, and the green just 1:00:02.480 --> 1:00:04.320 sits there kind of carved out of it, and then 1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:06.760 you know, built up to get that little front ray 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:09.040 part cascades is a great word. It does look like 1:00:09.440 --> 1:00:11.440 it's water falling down the hill a little bit. That 1:00:11.520 --> 1:00:14.040 green's it's. 1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:15.800 An incredible green. Ben crenshaw Is said at a bunch 1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:17.880 of times, it's the most three partable green in the world, right, 1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:21.200 I mean it's it's a crazy green. And you just 1:00:21.400 --> 1:00:24.680 you are so conscious of not missing it short short 1:00:25.840 --> 1:00:29.080 The first time you see it seems the miss because 1:00:29.120 --> 1:00:32.840 it's under the hole. But it's under the hole. You 1:00:32.960 --> 1:00:36.280 go up this massive false front, the biggest one Augusta 1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:39.360 by a long way, I mean heights. I mean it's 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:41.560 probably only three feet, but it seems twelve feet above you. 1:00:41.680 --> 1:00:43.520 Right when you're short of that green and you have 1:00:43.640 --> 1:00:46.200 to smash the puts so hard and so far left 1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:49.040 of the hole because of all the break that it's 1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:51.520 as I said, it's probably a one in five, one 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:53.040 in ten up and down from short of the green. 1:00:53.080 --> 1:00:57.080 So everybody knows that. And when the balls below your 1:00:57.080 --> 1:00:58.560 feet and you end up kind of carving up a 1:00:58.600 --> 1:01:00.320 bit of a fade, it's very easy to miss short 1:01:00.360 --> 1:01:01.560 of the green. So you're conscious of that. 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:04.800 So and that's a hard light to hit that draw 1:01:04.920 --> 1:01:05.720 that you want to hit, And. 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:07.560 Yeah, for me it always was. I mean, I think 1:01:07.600 --> 1:01:09.720 for everyone it's the hardest. For the For the comfortable 1:01:09.800 --> 1:01:12.960 drawers like like Rory and guys like that, then it's 1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:15.400 probably not that big a deal. But for most people 1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:17.880 it certainly makes the shape you want to hit. The 1:01:18.040 --> 1:01:24.320 slope is exactly wrong for the shape you want to hit. 1:01:25.040 --> 1:01:28.240 Long is the mess right, long long and. 1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:30.840 Right of the pin is the miss. And if you 1:01:30.960 --> 1:01:33.680 want to miss it right of the pin, but not 1:01:33.880 --> 1:01:36.600 by very much generally, I mean that pin in the middle. 1:01:36.720 --> 1:01:38.240 To get it close, you have to land it left 1:01:38.240 --> 1:01:40.320 of the pin and it's sweeps down, but you'd still 1:01:40.400 --> 1:01:43.240 prefer it to sweep down and break and end up 1:01:43.280 --> 1:01:47.200 below the whole. To the right, long right is you 1:01:47.280 --> 1:01:49.080 can get up and down to any pin from long right. 1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:51.480 How do you miss long rate though as a rady. 1:01:51.960 --> 1:01:54.480 It's difficult because you're you're missed. To the right is 1:01:54.520 --> 1:01:57.400 generally short right. So if you can miss it to 1:01:57.440 --> 1:01:58.920 the long ride, if you actually hit it straight or 1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:01.320 hit a draw pull one, it's going to go long right, 1:02:01.480 --> 1:02:05.280 long left and long left is a disaster. So again 1:02:05.320 --> 1:02:09.960 it's just a very clever use of slope. Serendipitous, I 1:02:10.000 --> 1:02:11.440 think a little bit because you couldn't have built a 1:02:11.440 --> 1:02:13.520 different green there that you could only build a green 1:02:13.560 --> 1:02:15.760 that went high left to low right because the severity 1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:19.440 of the hill. But it just it just worked. And 1:02:19.480 --> 1:02:23.400 there's some incredibly impossible pins that where you have maybe 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:26.880 there's this kind of frontish left pin which isn't really 1:02:27.000 --> 1:02:29.479 front left, but it's front left of the usable green. 1:02:30.200 --> 1:02:32.960 It's probably twenty five on the green, but it's in 1:02:33.080 --> 1:02:35.880 the first eight feet of usable green on that high 1:02:35.960 --> 1:02:40.000 left side, and if it's maybe a six foot circle 1:02:40.080 --> 1:02:42.280 that you could get it close, and if you don't, 1:02:42.320 --> 1:02:44.720 you're going to be potentially one hundred feet from the hole. 1:02:44.840 --> 1:02:46.560 If you miss at one foot right of that pin, 1:02:46.920 --> 1:02:48.880 you can potentially be not all the time, it can 1:02:48.960 --> 1:02:50.800 hang on that middle tier, but if it gets a 1:02:50.840 --> 1:02:52.760 bit of momentum of the very top tier, it goes 1:02:52.800 --> 1:02:54.360 down the middle tier and then down all the under 1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:55.760 the lower tier and you can have one hundred foot 1:02:55.840 --> 1:02:57.680 And as I said, that's the slowest part of the masters. 1:02:58.360 --> 1:03:02.840 And I think sometimes the slow puts are the masters 1:03:02.880 --> 1:03:05.120 are the hard ones because you're so fearful of the 1:03:05.160 --> 1:03:05.520 one back. 1:03:05.560 --> 1:03:08.640 If you smash it and you've been hitting themselves soft, 1:03:08.720 --> 1:03:09.240 are there. 1:03:09.680 --> 1:03:13.800 You're so I wouldn't tentative isn't the word, but conscious 1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:18.720 of not hitting it too hard, and that one it's 1:03:18.760 --> 1:03:20.360 a little bit untalked about. I think a lot of 1:03:20.400 --> 1:03:22.560 the old experienced guys talk about how slow the upper 1:03:22.640 --> 1:03:26.480 parts are of the masters, and to me, they're always 1:03:26.480 --> 1:03:29.640 the difficult ones because again, it's always in your head 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:32.680 to not hit a six week pass and you hitting 1:03:32.720 --> 1:03:34.800 it's so hard, I mean, one hundred and sixty eighty 1:03:34.840 --> 1:03:38.920 foot ninety foot up, two tiers up, I don't even 1:03:38.960 --> 1:03:41.920 know w to know, ten percent kind of slow grade. 1:03:42.720 --> 1:03:45.000 It's incredible how hard you have to hit it. And 1:03:45.080 --> 1:03:46.880 it's really really hard to get yourself to hit it 1:03:46.920 --> 1:03:48.720 that hard because you just don't want that six foot 1:03:48.760 --> 1:03:50.120 on the way back, because the six foot on the 1:03:50.160 --> 1:03:52.040 way back you could potentially go back all the way 1:03:52.040 --> 1:03:52.439 down again. 1:03:54.800 --> 1:03:59.400 So it's a whole that really really rewards great charts 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:03.360 rewards because it's really hard to make par if you're 1:04:03.400 --> 1:04:05.480 not in the rate. It's really hard to make par 1:04:05.720 --> 1:04:06.920 even if you're in the RONKSPA. 1:04:07.480 --> 1:04:10.360 Just half yeah, it rewards a nice T shot. Again, 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:12.040 it's not the most demanding T shot on the course. 1:04:12.040 --> 1:04:14.880 You're gotta pay a little bit of attention, but it's 1:04:15.160 --> 1:04:18.440 a very very precise second shot to hit it close. 1:04:18.480 --> 1:04:20.440 And if you don't hit that precise second shot, you're 1:04:20.440 --> 1:04:24.120 going to have some difficulty in making power for sure. 1:04:25.120 --> 1:04:29.640 Then you go to fifteen, which is infamous. Hall I 1:04:29.720 --> 1:04:34.560 feel like just surviving it for four rounds is it's. 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:37.360 Kind of like that. It depends. It generally plays slightly 1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:41.000 into the wind. Historically in all the tournaments I played, 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:43.920 it doesn't really ever seem to get down wind. I mean, 1:04:43.960 --> 1:04:47.040 it can swirl a bit, and it can, but it's 1:04:47.520 --> 1:04:50.840 generally probably slightly into the wind, and the T shot 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:53.720 is relatively easy. It's just bombs away. It's not really 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:56.600 about accuracy. It's a little bit because down the left side, 1:04:56.640 --> 1:05:00.600 obviously those trees get into the mix. But it's that 1:05:00.960 --> 1:05:02.840 one of those free is the free hit at it 1:05:02.960 --> 1:05:05.640 really you can just tee off because if you don't 1:05:05.680 --> 1:05:09.040 smash it, it's the hole you on the tee. You 1:05:10.240 --> 1:05:11.920 do everything you can to be able to go for 1:05:11.960 --> 1:05:13.800 it too. Because as hard as that second shot is 1:05:13.840 --> 1:05:15.520 and as much trouble as there with a second shot. 1:05:17.120 --> 1:05:19.439 Getting it over the water in two on dry land 1:05:20.080 --> 1:05:22.560 is preferable to anything short of the water. There is 1:05:22.680 --> 1:05:24.880 nothing good short of the water. It is the hardest 1:05:24.880 --> 1:05:28.479 wedge in golf, so by a long stretch, I would 1:05:28.480 --> 1:05:31.880 say with the most train wrecks happen on the third 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:34.919 shot generally, not the second shot or the drop after 1:05:35.000 --> 1:05:37.360 the second one goes in the water. That wedge is 1:05:38.280 --> 1:05:41.600 just beyond brutal. So you are very motivated to hit 1:05:41.640 --> 1:05:44.680 a good T shirt and it was always never on 1:05:44.760 --> 1:05:46.400 the edge for me, but it was funny. It's one 1:05:46.400 --> 1:05:50.000 of those holes that in practice you're maybe not quite 1:05:50.040 --> 1:05:52.760 in tournament speed yet because you're not the adrenaline isn't 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:54.600 going and stuff. I always felt like I had two 1:05:54.680 --> 1:05:56.280 forty to the pin in practice. It's like, how do 1:05:56.320 --> 1:05:58.280 people go for this is ridiculous, and like you would 1:05:58.280 --> 1:05:59.760 go for it in practice because it doesn't matter and 1:06:00.320 --> 1:06:03.880 hitting two irons and three irons and three woods even 1:06:03.920 --> 1:06:07.080 and it's just like not the target for a three wood. 1:06:07.120 --> 1:06:09.520 But as the tournament comes on, usually by the fourteenth 1:06:09.600 --> 1:06:11.720 you've kind of pretty you're swinging it pretty hard and 1:06:11.720 --> 1:06:13.680 if you're feeling decent. You can't seem if I get 1:06:13.720 --> 1:06:17.160 it up there to two twenty like three four five 1:06:17.200 --> 1:06:20.400 iron kind of when you're playing really well, so you 1:06:20.600 --> 1:06:22.840 really really really want to The most important thing of 1:06:22.920 --> 1:06:25.360 the day on fifteen is being able to get it 1:06:26.040 --> 1:06:28.920 on dry land for two over the pond, because it's, 1:06:29.240 --> 1:06:31.480 as I said, just the complete nightmare of a pit shut. 1:06:32.280 --> 1:06:34.000 And then when you get it on, it's a super 1:06:34.080 --> 1:06:37.760 fun second shot to pull off. Though it's similar to thirteen, 1:06:37.840 --> 1:06:39.479 and there's a lot of history involved in that because 1:06:39.480 --> 1:06:43.080 we've seen so many people hit the shot. And the 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:45.000 pins on the right depends on the right are the 1:06:45.040 --> 1:06:46.800 easy pins that Sunday pin on the right, it's the 1:06:46.840 --> 1:06:49.360 eagle pin that the I mean they've moved it. They've 1:06:49.520 --> 1:06:51.720 kind of dabbled around with the Sunday pins. It's been 1:06:51.720 --> 1:06:52.880 a bit more in the middle of the green and 1:06:53.080 --> 1:06:54.640 Sergio's was in the middle of the green a couple 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:57.200 of years ago and that unbelievable shotting hit. But that 1:06:57.360 --> 1:07:01.040 back right pin is certain the green light pin, and 1:07:01.160 --> 1:07:02.840 you would go at that back right pin with almost 1:07:02.880 --> 1:07:04.520 any club if you could get it there. I think. 1:07:06.160 --> 1:07:09.040 The slope, which you know makes that ray pin easier. 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:11.760 It is so hard to tell on TV because it's 1:07:12.000 --> 1:07:14.000 propped up and you can't see it. But if you 1:07:14.080 --> 1:07:19.000 think about where the green's positioned, like three hundred yards 1:07:19.080 --> 1:07:21.400 the left, it's thirteen green, which is you know, just 1:07:22.400 --> 1:07:25.360 running right down that slope, so it's got a light 1:07:25.440 --> 1:07:26.720 of pitch to it right to last. 1:07:26.800 --> 1:07:30.320 It's the same kind of hill. It's the general same hill. 1:07:30.600 --> 1:07:33.200 Once when you're at twelve, the way back to the 1:07:33.240 --> 1:07:36.240 clubhouse with the routing was traversing the hill. Yeah, so 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:38.840 thirteen that's right to left. It's high on the right, 1:07:38.920 --> 1:07:40.520 lower on the left, fourteen it's high on the left, 1:07:40.560 --> 1:07:42.000 low on the right, and fifteen high on the right 1:07:42.000 --> 1:07:45.480 and loan it's it's traversing the hill kind of. That's 1:07:45.520 --> 1:07:48.240 the way to get up the hill. So the fairway 1:07:48.280 --> 1:07:52.400 on fifteen is relatively flat, but the green is really 1:07:53.280 --> 1:07:55.760 a lot very very fast from right to left, and 1:07:55.840 --> 1:08:01.200 it's progressively shallower left you go on the green to 1:08:01.400 --> 1:08:04.360 like the back left hand side of the green seems 1:08:04.400 --> 1:08:07.320 to slope towards the back of the green a little 1:08:07.360 --> 1:08:09.440 bit down towards the water on sixteen, where if the 1:08:09.520 --> 1:08:11.040 right hand side of the green seems a bit more 1:08:11.080 --> 1:08:13.200 receptive and a bit kind of into you. You can 1:08:13.280 --> 1:08:14.680 kind of stop a three on on the right hand 1:08:14.720 --> 1:08:16.360 side of the green. On the left hands tide of 1:08:16.360 --> 1:08:17.960 the green. It seems like you can't stop a wedge. 1:08:18.439 --> 1:08:21.360 So it's kind of I don't know how to describe 1:08:21.360 --> 1:08:24.240 that in words, but it's it's an uphill kind of 1:08:24.640 --> 1:08:26.559 it lands on an up slope on the right hand. 1:08:27.120 --> 1:08:28.040 Take a potato chip. 1:08:28.880 --> 1:08:30.760 Yeah, it's got a little bit of a twist in't it. Yeah, 1:08:30.800 --> 1:08:34.160 It's like it's it's an uphill part from the front 1:08:34.240 --> 1:08:36.280 right to the back right pin, and it's a downhill 1:08:36.320 --> 1:08:38.000 part from the front left to the back left pin. 1:08:38.320 --> 1:08:39.000 You know, So it's. 1:08:40.560 --> 1:08:44.439 Hitting wedges into greens that run a little away. Yeah. 1:08:44.800 --> 1:08:48.080 Do you think that's one of the hardest shots. 1:08:48.760 --> 1:08:52.400 Yeah. The shot of the wedge shot, which is why 1:08:52.439 --> 1:08:53.880 you don't want to miss the fail your neck, you 1:08:53.960 --> 1:08:58.880 t shot, is the instinct when the pin is on 1:08:58.960 --> 1:09:00.479 the left and I got burnt by this in two 1:09:00.479 --> 1:09:03.720 thousand and seven, but the instinct is to lay it 1:09:03.840 --> 1:09:06.360 up down the right because the pin's on the left 1:09:06.400 --> 1:09:07.760 and you feel like you're going to kind of create 1:09:07.800 --> 1:09:11.080 a bit more room on the green. But the further right, 1:09:11.120 --> 1:09:13.160 you are on the fairway with that wedge shot from 1:09:13.200 --> 1:09:15.960 one hundred yards or eighty yards, you are landing it 1:09:16.040 --> 1:09:19.040 on that pretty significant downslope of the green from right 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:22.680 to left, and the first bounce is so big that 1:09:22.760 --> 1:09:24.519 if you land it anywhere near pin high, it's just 1:09:24.560 --> 1:09:26.120 one bounce over the back. And we've all seen that 1:09:26.160 --> 1:09:27.640 shot a lot, that wedge that lands next to the 1:09:27.680 --> 1:09:32.440 pin and just goes bounce over the back. So you're 1:09:32.479 --> 1:09:36.640 off a downslope on that As I said that that 1:09:36.840 --> 1:09:40.560 fairway grass that demands precision. I mean it's not difficult, 1:09:41.040 --> 1:09:45.360 but it demands precision like it's unforgiving. It's an unforgiving light, 1:09:46.320 --> 1:09:50.800 especially with the wedge. So I initially was trying to 1:09:50.840 --> 1:09:52.240 lay it up on the right, and in two thousand 1:09:52.280 --> 1:09:54.439 and seven I laid it. It was that crazy, ridiculous 1:09:54.439 --> 1:09:56.960 Saturday when it was thirty four degrees and the year 1:09:57.000 --> 1:09:59.680 of Zach Johnson one and we're all shooting over par 1:10:01.040 --> 1:10:02.519 I think I was somewhat in the mix, two or 1:10:02.560 --> 1:10:04.759 three behind, I think, with four holes to play on Saturday, 1:10:04.800 --> 1:10:06.599 and I wedged two in the water and I laid 1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:09.840 it up down the right and landed my sixty like 1:10:09.960 --> 1:10:11.599 on the front engine. It just spun off the greend 1:10:11.600 --> 1:10:13.519 of the water and then I got stubborn and dropped 1:10:13.560 --> 1:10:15.320 it in the same spot. Or maybe I walked up 1:10:15.320 --> 1:10:16.760 two yards or no, I didn't do that. I think 1:10:16.800 --> 1:10:18.439 the Tiger Woods thing. I can't remember whatever I did, 1:10:18.520 --> 1:10:21.400 but I just did it again because the fear of 1:10:21.479 --> 1:10:26.720 that one bounce over the back is really there. And 1:10:26.800 --> 1:10:28.880 it's such a downslope, so your wedge comes out low, 1:10:29.160 --> 1:10:32.960 so doesn't carry, doesn't perry got as far, and that 1:10:33.040 --> 1:10:34.760 first bounce is going to be such a big long 1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:37.760 bounce because it's coming in fast. You know that downslope 1:10:37.760 --> 1:10:40.439 wedge with a lot of spin. It's landing fast. It's 1:10:40.439 --> 1:10:42.519 like skidding on like it's almost like its skids a 1:10:42.560 --> 1:10:42.960 lot when. 1:10:42.840 --> 1:10:45.360 It grabs on like the second or even third bounce. 1:10:45.439 --> 1:10:48.040 Yeah, first bounce, it grabs on like the third bounce. 1:10:48.760 --> 1:10:51.760 So eventually, if you lay it up, I think the 1:10:51.840 --> 1:10:55.120 true experience lays it up as far left as they can. 1:10:55.640 --> 1:10:57.880 And so that was the second time you'd played it, 1:10:58.160 --> 1:11:00.479 So this is something. This is an example like the 1:11:00.520 --> 1:11:03.840 course hadn't fully revealed itself, and. 1:11:04.520 --> 1:11:08.240 I learned it early my second Masters and I always 1:11:08.320 --> 1:11:10.040 if I had to lay it up, then I would 1:11:10.840 --> 1:11:12.439 go out of my way to lay it up as 1:11:12.880 --> 1:11:14.680 deep to the left as I could, even in the 1:11:14.680 --> 1:11:18.800 semi ralf. On the left is the first cut is 1:11:20.080 --> 1:11:21.960 better than anywhere on the right, because again it's a 1:11:22.000 --> 1:11:24.679 bit like thirteen. The further left, you either flatter your stance, 1:11:25.720 --> 1:11:27.639 and if you go way left and have a distance 1:11:27.640 --> 1:11:29.519 where you can get some spin, you can even to 1:11:29.640 --> 1:11:32.519 that back left pin or that left pin. You can 1:11:32.600 --> 1:11:36.080 hit a pitch that lands twenty or thirty feet kind 1:11:36.080 --> 1:11:39.639 of right of it and kind of spins left because 1:11:39.640 --> 1:11:41.160 it comes back down the hill and you can get it, 1:11:41.280 --> 1:11:43.559 and it's a very receptive type. It's a safe way 1:11:43.600 --> 1:11:47.360 to play the shot. But from the right, it's it's 1:11:47.400 --> 1:11:49.360 really difficult. I mean, it's really difficult to describe unless 1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:51.639 you've been there. But every yard you go to the left, 1:11:51.720 --> 1:11:53.960 the more the more receptive the green gets because the 1:11:54.000 --> 1:11:56.840 more it kind of you're turning, it becomes a up slope. 1:11:56.960 --> 1:11:59.879 It's like when you have like a really fast downhelp 1:12:00.400 --> 1:12:04.200 that moves, how you can slow it down by hitting 1:12:04.280 --> 1:12:05.400 it into the slope. 1:12:05.560 --> 1:12:07.639 Yeah, exactly, Yeah, you're hitting it into this, So it's 1:12:07.680 --> 1:12:09.519 like starting the ball into the wind, it just slows 1:12:09.520 --> 1:12:11.840 it down like it's the first bounce is now going 1:12:11.880 --> 1:12:15.240 to be a sensible distance. And again, the further left 1:12:15.280 --> 1:12:17.280 you are, the flatter your stance, so now you can 1:12:17.360 --> 1:12:19.880 hit a pitch with a bit more flight. The green 1:12:20.000 --> 1:12:21.920 is quite deep on the right and really shallow on 1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:23.600 the left, so if you're at the left, you can 1:12:23.720 --> 1:12:27.840 kind of create more green depth by hitting it quite 1:12:27.840 --> 1:12:29.360 a lot right of the pin with all the depth 1:12:29.439 --> 1:12:31.040 and maybe use a bit of backspin to get it 1:12:31.560 --> 1:12:34.960 so you don't really have to risk landing it near 1:12:35.000 --> 1:12:36.840 the water when you're pitching it from the left. But 1:12:37.000 --> 1:12:40.360 still it is I think if you asked guys in 1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:42.280 the field, if it wasn't the t shot on twelve, 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:45.479 if they had to pitch into fifteen, would be most 1:12:45.560 --> 1:12:47.639 guys least favorite shot on the course of the one 1:12:47.720 --> 1:12:51.120 they're most trying to avoid. I mean, it's inevitable. Usually 1:12:51.200 --> 1:12:52.439 once in a week you're going to have to do it. 1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:54.479 In some weeks four times. I mean Zach Johnson did 1:12:54.479 --> 1:12:58.000 it four times a year, which is outrageously good. In 1:12:58.120 --> 1:12:59.720 some years, it gets long and it's into the wind 1:12:59.760 --> 1:13:02.240 and guys are laying it up a lot, and that's 1:13:02.280 --> 1:13:04.080 when you see cartage. You guys back and the balls 1:13:04.120 --> 1:13:06.360 off the green all the time, and I guess people 1:13:06.439 --> 1:13:08.479 watching you're like, well, why these guys, Why don't these 1:13:08.520 --> 1:13:10.600 guys just hit it past the hole? But over the 1:13:10.640 --> 1:13:12.719 back is the toughest up and down of the masters probably, 1:13:12.960 --> 1:13:16.400 So it's you're damn if you do down. If you 1:13:16.479 --> 1:13:20.920 don't like it's neither option with shorts clearly terminal and 1:13:21.160 --> 1:13:23.920 long is. I mean, Film's got that shop, but not 1:13:24.000 --> 1:13:26.400 many others. Right, it's a really from one or two 1:13:26.479 --> 1:13:28.320 yards over the back of fifteen, it's doable, but it 1:13:28.400 --> 1:13:30.240 never stops one or two years over. It just keeps 1:13:30.280 --> 1:13:33.040 running down and ten yards over the green. You've got 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:35.400 that thing that I've been kind of describing the whole time. 1:13:35.520 --> 1:13:38.599 Is that really really slow fringe because it's quite steep, 1:13:38.680 --> 1:13:41.479 and the way they cut the grass and how fast 1:13:41.520 --> 1:13:44.439 the greens are, there's some massive speed differential between the 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:46.719 fringe and the green. So is it a one bouncer 1:13:46.800 --> 1:13:49.240 and check because if you go for two or three bounces, 1:13:49.240 --> 1:13:50.960 it generally doesn't get to the green, or you've got 1:13:51.040 --> 1:13:53.360 to hit it so hard to skip it through for 1:13:53.439 --> 1:13:55.680 three bounces that you're risking it very easy to just 1:13:55.720 --> 1:13:56.679 blow it back into the water. 1:13:57.360 --> 1:14:00.560 Yeah, because Bermuda's got a little sticky as if it 1:14:00.640 --> 1:14:02.479 was fascue, you'd just be able to bump it right now. 1:14:02.600 --> 1:14:04.479 If it was fascual, it would be completely different, Yeah, 1:14:04.479 --> 1:14:07.000 because the speed difference would be less. It's the speed 1:14:07.040 --> 1:14:12.000 differential between green and fringe in shots like that, Plus 1:14:12.040 --> 1:14:15.080 it's quite a significant like slope you end up going down, 1:14:15.200 --> 1:14:17.160 like those trees where guys end up down when they 1:14:17.439 --> 1:14:19.680 their fore irons they catch the swirly wind. And that's 1:14:19.680 --> 1:14:22.120 another one where the wind really plays tricks that second 1:14:22.120 --> 1:14:25.920 shot of fifteen. For whatever reason, maybe it's the ponds 1:14:25.960 --> 1:14:28.320 of the water or quite a lot of open space 1:14:28.360 --> 1:14:32.200 around there, the wind is very hard to get right 1:14:32.439 --> 1:14:33.360 or to trust. 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:38.479 Chipping from back to the right side of the green, 1:14:38.600 --> 1:14:39.680 is that easier. 1:14:39.360 --> 1:14:41.960 Than Yeah, everything on that side of the green, there's 1:14:42.080 --> 1:14:45.519 really hard. Everything on the right hand side of the green. 1:14:45.560 --> 1:14:48.280 As you play the hole from the tee is it's 1:14:48.360 --> 1:14:50.760 easier to go to that side from everywhere because even 1:14:50.800 --> 1:14:53.560 from behind it, even from behind it the ones on 1:14:53.640 --> 1:14:57.400 the left, those pins on the left, from behind it, 1:14:57.840 --> 1:15:01.439 it's as I said, it seems to slope from front 1:15:01.479 --> 1:15:07.360 to back over there, but it's such a shallower part 1:15:07.400 --> 1:15:10.400 of the green, and you generally when you're chipping from 1:15:10.439 --> 1:15:13.120 over the green, if the pin is left, you're right 1:15:13.160 --> 1:15:15.519 of the pin. No one really misses that left of 1:15:15.560 --> 1:15:17.280 the pin on fifteen when the pin's on the left 1:15:17.600 --> 1:15:19.360 because everyone's giving it air to the right. So if 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:21.240 you're twenty feet right of the pin and ten yards 1:15:21.280 --> 1:15:24.240 over the green for that left pin, you've got to pitch. 1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:25.680 You've got that pitch where you've got to get the 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:29.320 bounces right or do the fill super flop thing, and 1:15:29.439 --> 1:15:31.519 it's going to hit and break straight to the rights. 1:15:31.760 --> 1:15:35.120 It's a it's just a really hard shot. 1:15:37.800 --> 1:15:40.479 I mean, we've seen you're not the only guy that's 1:15:40.520 --> 1:15:44.080 had that whole bitum with like Sergio last year, Cabrera, 1:15:44.320 --> 1:15:47.479 couple of years Cabrera played it like I say, ten 1:15:47.640 --> 1:15:50.040 over the whole week, and you made the cut somehow. 1:15:50.479 --> 1:15:53.920 But then you got sixteen. He's sixteen. You said that 1:15:54.680 --> 1:15:56.960 that hole may have been your favorite Masters's moment ever. 1:15:57.200 --> 1:15:59.920 In twenty eleven eleven fasts most sick. 1:16:00.439 --> 1:16:02.360 There's two days where it's the funnest tile on the course, 1:16:02.439 --> 1:16:04.880 and there's two days when it's the least fun hole right. 1:16:05.200 --> 1:16:08.560 Just the pins, the two low pins generally, Thursday and 1:16:08.640 --> 1:16:14.200 Sunday are really fun. I mean, historically everybody knows the 1:16:14.200 --> 1:16:17.799 shot on Sunday and Thursdays really is similar to anywhere 1:16:17.920 --> 1:16:19.920 thirty or forty feet right of the pin, it's going 1:16:20.000 --> 1:16:20.479 to go towards. 1:16:20.479 --> 1:16:22.320 It's kind of where a lot of balls end up 1:16:22.439 --> 1:16:25.040 on Sunday is Thursday Thursday's pin. 1:16:25.280 --> 1:16:28.360 Yeah, and it's really fun and it's a famous shot, 1:16:28.400 --> 1:16:31.680 and it legitimately feels like if I can throw this 1:16:31.800 --> 1:16:34.280 out in that twenty thirty foot area somewhere out in 1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:36.280 the right, I'm a hold in one chance for a 1:16:36.320 --> 1:16:37.960 real chance to get it close here. Because it's one 1:16:38.000 --> 1:16:39.720 of those funnel pins, it just all seems to go 1:16:39.800 --> 1:16:42.840 towards that Sunday pin. And Thursdays, like you said, the 1:16:44.000 --> 1:16:46.200 Sunday when they guys just kind of maybe come out 1:16:46.240 --> 1:16:47.400 of it a little bit and hit that kind of 1:16:47.479 --> 1:16:49.840 weak high thing, it still rolls back down the slope 1:16:49.840 --> 1:16:52.280 and it ends up where Thursday's pin is. So those 1:16:52.360 --> 1:16:55.560 days are really fun. Friday and Saturday pins generally that 1:16:55.680 --> 1:16:59.120 front right on Friday and the back rode on Saturday, 1:17:01.600 --> 1:17:05.519 excruciatingly difficult one the front right one on both areas 1:17:06.720 --> 1:17:10.599 again maybe six twelve foot circles, maybe six foot from 1:17:10.640 --> 1:17:13.680 the hole on Friday to stay up there in a 1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:16.800 good spot, and if you don't, you're either down the 1:17:16.880 --> 1:17:18.439 hill or you miss the green in the right and 1:17:18.760 --> 1:17:21.720 just off the right edge is okay for that Friday pin. 1:17:21.800 --> 1:17:23.479 That front right one and that front right bunk is 1:17:23.560 --> 1:17:25.360 not too bad. It's not great, it's not too bad, 1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:28.479 but generally you end up with that thirty forty foot 1:17:28.520 --> 1:17:30.880 or up the hill. And if the front right pin, 1:17:30.960 --> 1:17:33.479 if you're you've got to be careful not to miss 1:17:33.520 --> 1:17:36.240 it very much past pin high. If you're shorter pin high, 1:17:36.760 --> 1:17:39.000 that front right pin, it's a pretty much just a 1:17:39.040 --> 1:17:42.880 straight bang up the hill. It's not incredibly difficult, but 1:17:43.000 --> 1:17:46.200 as every yard you get past the pin left down 1:17:46.240 --> 1:17:48.360 the bottom tier, putting to that front right one, the 1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:51.879 putt can break fifteen twenty feet. You've got to. It's 1:17:52.200 --> 1:17:54.720 really kind of severe because now you're putting across the 1:17:54.760 --> 1:17:57.160 tier a little bit and the tier just sweeps it 1:17:57.200 --> 1:17:58.720 to the right, and it's really easy to just have it, 1:17:58.840 --> 1:18:00.599 leave it back down and put it down to the front. 1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:02.519 Edge and if you miss left, it usually goes long. 1:18:02.840 --> 1:18:05.080 If you miss left it goes along right. So again 1:18:05.160 --> 1:18:09.120 this is a genius and Augusta it's it's really difficult 1:18:09.200 --> 1:18:11.200 to miss that one where you miss it, so you 1:18:11.320 --> 1:18:13.240 really can't where you want to miss it, so you 1:18:13.280 --> 1:18:14.960 really can't try to miss it. You really just have 1:18:15.080 --> 1:18:19.000 to like try to hit the great shot. You really do. 1:18:19.320 --> 1:18:24.200 It's always with the always with it in your mind. 1:18:24.280 --> 1:18:25.760 You don't want to be twenty five feet past the 1:18:25.800 --> 1:18:27.320 hole in the bottom tier because if you put it 1:18:27.400 --> 1:18:30.800 from from Sunday's pin to Friday's pin would be a 1:18:30.840 --> 1:18:34.760 one in ten two part. I would say it's it's 1:18:34.760 --> 1:18:36.479 a part that would break twenty or thirty feet and 1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:39.519 the last fifteen twenty feet of it is straight down 1:18:39.520 --> 1:18:42.760 the hill. Yeah, really really tough, but you manage it 1:18:42.760 --> 1:18:44.680 because it's usually the front tier on Friday and it's 1:18:44.720 --> 1:18:47.880 like the nine nine or something, and if you're playing well, 1:18:49.360 --> 1:18:51.240 it sounds crazy to people, but if you're playing well 1:18:51.280 --> 1:18:53.519 in the masses and you're contending getting it within six 1:18:53.680 --> 1:18:55.559 or ten feet of the hole with a nine nine, 1:18:56.160 --> 1:18:59.800 isn't that outrageous? Like a prospect, Now, the pin on 1:18:59.840 --> 1:19:02.920 the the Saturday pin that Nicholas and seventy five pin. 1:19:04.560 --> 1:19:07.880 It is an incredibly small area. I mean anything left 1:19:07.920 --> 1:19:10.240 of the pin, anything is going down the hill to 1:19:10.680 --> 1:19:15.160 Sunday's pin. I don't know how many balls can land 1:19:15.240 --> 1:19:18.320 left of that and stay up. It's it's an amazingly 1:19:18.400 --> 1:19:20.800 slopey green and it's a really really small area. You 1:19:20.840 --> 1:19:22.120 can hit it right of the pin and then it'll 1:19:22.120 --> 1:19:23.840 stay there. But if you're hitting that right bunker, you're 1:19:23.880 --> 1:19:25.240 not going to make path. You're going to have to 1:19:25.280 --> 1:19:27.960 two part from forty feet for bogie and rate of it. 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:31.439 It's a nervy shot because you know, anything past it's gone. 1:19:31.560 --> 1:19:35.559 Anything past it's gone. Yeah, it's just an incredibly small area. 1:19:35.640 --> 1:19:38.760 It's just one of those Augusta on every green, really 1:19:39.840 --> 1:19:42.160 not every green, but at least half twelve of the 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:47.000 greens have some incredibly tiny areas that them in the 1:19:47.040 --> 1:19:51.320 high pin on six is the same, and four fourteen 1:19:51.680 --> 1:19:53.760 have these really really small it's like a blank a 1:19:53.840 --> 1:19:55.639 picnic blanket to hit it into it. If you don't, 1:19:55.640 --> 1:19:58.040 you're going to have a long two part. So that's 1:19:58.720 --> 1:20:02.559 pressure on shot and against that same sort of feeling. 1:20:02.600 --> 1:20:04.160 The only way you can really hit a great shot 1:20:04.240 --> 1:20:06.920 there onto those really small pins. To hit those really 1:20:07.000 --> 1:20:10.320 precise shots is to swing it free and loose. And 1:20:11.200 --> 1:20:13.360 it's hard to get into a free and loose mindset 1:20:13.400 --> 1:20:14.880 when you know all the bad things that can happen. 1:20:15.439 --> 1:20:17.920 You get protective, and the protective swing usually goes short 1:20:18.000 --> 1:20:19.720 and it dribbles down the tier and then you've got 1:20:19.760 --> 1:20:23.960 this again, an incredibly slow part that Nicholas up the hill, 1:20:24.040 --> 1:20:26.040 and then the seventy five part. You've got to hit 1:20:26.040 --> 1:20:28.800 it really, really hard, with the idea that you don't 1:20:28.800 --> 1:20:29.840 want to hit anywhere past the. 1:20:29.840 --> 1:20:31.760 Whole Yeah, and you don't want to coming back to 1:20:31.800 --> 1:20:32.439 your feet. 1:20:32.360 --> 1:20:34.519 Which we've seen a lot. Yeah. I mean, I don't 1:20:34.520 --> 1:20:36.160 show that sort of stuff on TV that much, but 1:20:36.240 --> 1:20:37.960 it happens during the tournament. Quite a lot of guys 1:20:37.960 --> 1:20:39.360 will part up to that pin and it it'll just 1:20:39.479 --> 1:20:42.320 roll back to your feet. It's incredible. And then Sunday 1:20:42.400 --> 1:20:45.360 and then it's the funnest pin in golf. It's brilliant 1:20:45.400 --> 1:20:46.800 fun with. 1:20:46.920 --> 1:20:51.000 The way they sat it up. Sunday it's ingenius too, 1:20:51.080 --> 1:20:55.360 because twelve it's in the toughest location on the green, 1:20:56.000 --> 1:20:58.640 and sixteen they give you a chance to score it 1:20:58.720 --> 1:20:59.120 coming out. 1:20:59.360 --> 1:21:03.040 Yeah, it's easy location. I mean, coming in thirteen is 1:21:03.320 --> 1:21:05.800 in probably one of the easiest spots on the green. 1:21:06.280 --> 1:21:10.240 But you've got to hit an incredibly two incredibly high 1:21:10.360 --> 1:21:12.680 quality shots to have that ego part. And if you do, 1:21:13.360 --> 1:21:16.719 you earn it. You know, you really earn it. Fifteen 1:21:16.760 --> 1:21:19.120 you earn your ego part, you really do. You've got to. 1:21:19.800 --> 1:21:22.800 If you're hanging on on your nervous and you hit 1:21:23.280 --> 1:21:28.560 fifteen green into you, you deserve everything. I mean, that 1:21:28.760 --> 1:21:32.080 is a really tough thing to do. Sixteen. It gives 1:21:32.080 --> 1:21:33.720 you a chance to make up for something you might 1:21:33.800 --> 1:21:35.479 have done on fifteen, and it gives you a chance 1:21:35.560 --> 1:21:40.240 to kind of solidify your advantage or continue your good stuff. 1:21:40.280 --> 1:21:43.800 And that's what a spectator hole. I mean that there 1:21:43.840 --> 1:21:46.400 couldn't be many better places to watch golf than sixteen 1:21:46.439 --> 1:21:48.000 on Sunday at the Masters, I mean, you're going to 1:21:48.040 --> 1:21:50.160 have twenty five balls when they land you think might 1:21:50.240 --> 1:21:53.599 go in. Quite often, it seems the last ten years 1:21:53.600 --> 1:21:55.160 there's been one or two hole in ones. I've been 1:21:55.240 --> 1:21:56.800 quite regularly. Every couple of years. It seems like we 1:21:56.880 --> 1:21:59.640 have a couple that's another one of those holes. It 1:21:59.720 --> 1:22:02.640 feel like they have that pin so dialed in that 1:22:02.720 --> 1:22:05.639 if they want hole in ones, they can almost orchestrate 1:22:05.720 --> 1:22:08.400 them almost. They can move it four inches one four 1:22:08.439 --> 1:22:10.040 inches one way, or are the four inch one it 1:22:10.080 --> 1:22:11.880 doesn't go in four inches the other way. That's the 1:22:11.920 --> 1:22:18.280 one where it might go in. It's incredible. And then again, 1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:20.840 if you hit the smart shot and you can somewhat 1:22:20.840 --> 1:22:22.599 get it under the hole, it's a relatively easy part. 1:22:22.680 --> 1:22:24.600 But if you hit it past the hole, it's just 1:22:24.680 --> 1:22:26.439 a part again. I mean, you can make the put 1:22:26.520 --> 1:22:28.320 break as much as you want. I mean Tiger's chip, 1:22:28.479 --> 1:22:30.040 so if you're on the back left edge of the green, 1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:32.439 you could hit it kind of straight with a bit 1:22:32.479 --> 1:22:33.920 of speed, or you can make the put break thirty 1:22:33.960 --> 1:22:35.720 feet if you wanted to. You know, it's just one 1:22:35.760 --> 1:22:40.280 of those crazy situations. But what a hole and what 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:44.680 an environment and the whole setting there. It's just and 1:22:44.840 --> 1:22:46.719 that's the meat end of the business, end of the tournament. 1:22:47.360 --> 1:22:50.200 There's usually when there's it's quite close to the fifteenth green, 1:22:51.400 --> 1:22:55.000 so you're very aware of what the people are doing 1:22:55.040 --> 1:22:58.400 on fifteen when you're playing sixteen and vice versa, and 1:22:58.479 --> 1:23:00.320 there's always action and activity. 1:23:00.200 --> 1:23:03.040 I wonder whether if there's like a correlation between the 1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:05.519 guy that hits the great shout on fifteen coming right 1:23:05.600 --> 1:23:08.320 into six because I always feel like the run comes 1:23:08.760 --> 1:23:12.439 fifteen sixteen. I think it's really hard for a guy 1:23:12.520 --> 1:23:14.840 to in very I don't think a lot of guys 1:23:14.880 --> 1:23:17.840 have ever done it where they've you know, there are 1:23:17.960 --> 1:23:20.479 guys that have done it. But you get on those 1:23:20.640 --> 1:23:24.560 runs in golf, like you run through twelve, thirteen, fourteen, 1:23:24.880 --> 1:23:27.400 then fifteen you might stall, but then then there's the 1:23:27.520 --> 1:23:28.720 fifteen sixteen run. 1:23:30.240 --> 1:23:32.720 Yeah, you can go three to two. H've seen that, 1:23:32.800 --> 1:23:35.120 and you can go three one seven, four, three to one. 1:23:35.360 --> 1:23:41.360 I mean, it's a It's an incredible place in tournament golf. 1:23:41.479 --> 1:23:44.000 Maybe kind of the coolest spot because again sixteen, if 1:23:44.000 --> 1:23:47.000 you sat on sixteen on Sunday, you can see fifteen. 1:23:47.080 --> 1:23:50.840 Generally for mostly it's probably so you're you're very aware 1:23:50.920 --> 1:23:54.040 of two of maybe the most pivotal holes on the 1:23:54.120 --> 1:23:56.559 course they run in front of you. It's incredible. 1:23:57.479 --> 1:24:00.360 Yeah, I keep thinking about Sergio where to be that 1:24:00.479 --> 1:24:03.679 great part in thirteen and then fifteen hit a close 1:24:03.760 --> 1:24:06.400 sixteen sixteen here really close speed. It didn't make the put. 1:24:06.760 --> 1:24:08.280 That's a tough put if you're past it. 1:24:08.520 --> 1:24:11.160 If your past is it incredibly difficult. If you're four 1:24:11.240 --> 1:24:13.439 feet yeah, four feet it breaks a lot. I mean, 1:24:13.880 --> 1:24:15.960 no one likes to four foot as much outside the hole, 1:24:16.000 --> 1:24:18.000 but you really have to just trust that it's going 1:24:18.080 --> 1:24:19.559 to break and you've got to hit it a foot 1:24:19.560 --> 1:24:22.160 outside of the hole, almost even more. Maybe sometimes it's 1:24:22.200 --> 1:24:25.759 a and again it's in the shadows. It's in the shade. 1:24:26.000 --> 1:24:29.439 You can't quite see it as clearly. You're very aware 1:24:29.479 --> 1:24:31.280 that if you let it go low, it's going to 1:24:31.320 --> 1:24:33.320 go six or eight feet past, even at no speed, 1:24:36.240 --> 1:24:39.080 very very to make the hole in one to hit 1:24:39.120 --> 1:24:41.439 it really really close, you have to almost get it 1:24:41.640 --> 1:24:43.720 past the hole, off the tee to the right and 1:24:43.840 --> 1:24:45.720 have it come back towards it. But again, if you 1:24:45.840 --> 1:24:48.599 pull that a little bit, you're going to be long 1:24:48.680 --> 1:24:51.360 down where Tiger was or even at the back edge 1:24:51.360 --> 1:24:54.559 of the green, and you've got your you've got your 1:24:54.600 --> 1:24:55.639 work cut out just two punting. 1:24:56.479 --> 1:24:58.919 Did you play seventeen with Ayes in Horrortory? 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:04.800 Yes? Yes, what was the fact of losing that, Ah, 1:25:06.280 --> 1:25:10.000 it looks quite a lot wider, but effectively I don't 1:25:10.080 --> 1:25:12.080 think it changed it for us too much because we 1:25:12.160 --> 1:25:14.160 were generally flying eyes and hoow tree. By the time 1:25:14.200 --> 1:25:15.680 I played it, we were hitting the one after the 1:25:15.720 --> 1:25:17.519 one that said now or the There was a one 1:25:17.600 --> 1:25:20.559 after it that I think they planted thirty years after 1:25:20.600 --> 1:25:23.280 the eyes now tree, But that became the problem for 1:25:23.439 --> 1:25:25.679 us because it was the eyes now tree was quite short, 1:25:26.000 --> 1:25:29.479 not quite short, but we could mostly fly it, but 1:25:29.600 --> 1:25:35.280 it was visually less intimidating when it was gone again relatively, 1:25:35.840 --> 1:25:38.000 I mean the trees on the right they got introduced 1:25:38.000 --> 1:25:42.280 at some point ninety eight was it or two thousand 1:25:42.280 --> 1:25:51.280 and five. Yeah, one of those five relatively easy T shirt, 1:25:52.160 --> 1:25:54.080 but it's a T shirt that gets your attention, and 1:25:54.120 --> 1:25:55.720 again it's another one on us. You really want to 1:25:55.760 --> 1:25:58.960 hit it hard and hit a good one because uphill, 1:25:59.280 --> 1:26:02.120 it's uphill. Ball's not going to run anywhere, and you 1:26:02.200 --> 1:26:03.920 get a big advantage for getting it to a certain 1:26:03.960 --> 1:26:05.760 distance because it's on the flat and the ball runs 1:26:05.800 --> 1:26:07.679 out a bit. But if it flies ten yards short, 1:26:07.720 --> 1:26:09.640 or it just hits and stops, you can have a 1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:12.000 semi blind six sign into a green that's from an 1:26:12.080 --> 1:26:16.680 up slope, from an up slope that, Yeah, seventeen might 1:26:16.720 --> 1:26:21.040 be my favorite. Green on the course just because I 1:26:21.240 --> 1:26:22.800 like the green. But yeah, if you don't want to 1:26:22.800 --> 1:26:25.439 six sign, that's semi blind. And again the wind is 1:26:25.479 --> 1:26:27.439 kind of whistling. There's no trees anywhere to the right 1:26:27.520 --> 1:26:29.400 of the green. Say, the trees on the right of 1:26:29.439 --> 1:26:31.120 the fairway kind of end one hundred yards short of 1:26:31.120 --> 1:26:32.639 the green. So it feels like one of those spots 1:26:32.680 --> 1:26:36.160 where the wind can kind of whistle through and over 1:26:36.240 --> 1:26:38.360 the back. Again, it's an interesting green. Over the back 1:26:38.400 --> 1:26:40.880 of the right hand side is completely terrible. So when 1:26:40.880 --> 1:26:42.200 the pins are on the right half of the green, 1:26:42.400 --> 1:26:44.439 you have to miss it short of the green or 1:26:44.479 --> 1:26:46.519 short of the pine. And if the pins are on 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:48.680 the left, you want to miss it past the hole. 1:26:50.840 --> 1:26:52.680 It's a front to back green on the right, and 1:26:52.800 --> 1:26:55.360 it's a back to front green on the right, and 1:26:55.400 --> 1:26:56.800 it's a front to back green on the left. 1:26:57.120 --> 1:26:59.880 It's actually one of the rare holes that worked works 1:27:00.000 --> 1:27:05.679 against the lefty the green. Yeah, and so you can't 1:27:05.680 --> 1:27:08.320 really tell the wind when Rose was coming down that 1:27:08.439 --> 1:27:11.519 Sergio Masters I remember Rose ended up in that front 1:27:11.560 --> 1:27:14.720 bunker to that back pin. On Sunday, there's death. This 1:27:15.040 --> 1:27:17.280 such a hard shot to hit all the way. 1:27:17.200 --> 1:27:20.120 There it is tough because again you are so conscious 1:27:20.160 --> 1:27:22.920 of over the back. Yeah, Scott Hokee that incredible shot 1:27:23.080 --> 1:27:25.080 ninety nine from over the back to four or five 1:27:25.120 --> 1:27:27.960 feet that is that's again it's a one in ten 1:27:28.040 --> 1:27:30.120 up and down from mine, and that's really high the 1:27:30.200 --> 1:27:31.840 back right hand side of the green and it runs 1:27:31.920 --> 1:27:33.880 down to the eighteenth tee, so it can really go 1:27:34.640 --> 1:27:36.320 a long way below the level of the surface of 1:27:36.360 --> 1:27:38.559 the green again up one of those really slow hills 1:27:38.920 --> 1:27:41.240 onto a really fast down slope. So a lot of 1:27:41.280 --> 1:27:43.280 people hit in that front right bunker because they're just 1:27:44.000 --> 1:27:46.160 if you're between clubs, you have to pick the shorter one. 1:27:46.760 --> 1:27:48.679 You can't cruise on the longer one. You just can't 1:27:48.680 --> 1:27:51.360 because you just you can get it up and down 1:27:51.400 --> 1:27:53.439 from the front right. It's really difficult, but you can, 1:27:53.600 --> 1:27:56.840 but you just basically can't from long right. So you 1:27:56.960 --> 1:27:58.639 see a lot of balls either in that front bunker 1:27:58.880 --> 1:28:01.320 for those right side pins or like running off that 1:28:01.400 --> 1:28:03.519 kind of falsey front on the extreme right of the green, 1:28:03.720 --> 1:28:05.720 and that's a relatively easy up and down, so it's 1:28:07.320 --> 1:28:10.680 all relative on the seventeenth hold the masters, but you 1:28:10.760 --> 1:28:12.320 can do it from there and you don't really want 1:28:12.360 --> 1:28:13.599 to be on the left hand side of the green 1:28:13.840 --> 1:28:17.040 because that's one of the greens where the whole raised 1:28:17.040 --> 1:28:20.000 creek is the low part of the course. Phenomenon is 1:28:21.320 --> 1:28:24.360 very evident. The put from the left hand side of 1:28:24.439 --> 1:28:28.120 seventeen to the right, it seems like an uphill part, 1:28:28.360 --> 1:28:32.519 but it's actually quite downhill. But at least it plays 1:28:32.640 --> 1:28:35.479 downhill because of the grain or the slope or raised 1:28:35.520 --> 1:28:37.639 creek or whatever it is. So you've got that twenty 1:28:37.640 --> 1:28:39.439 foot of from thirty foot to forty foot of from 1:28:39.520 --> 1:28:42.400 left that you feel like you have to bash, but 1:28:43.120 --> 1:28:45.200 you actually have to hit it quite a lot softer 1:28:45.240 --> 1:28:47.439 than you think. And that's when it looks uphill. Your 1:28:47.479 --> 1:28:50.760 brain gets confused when it's downhill. It looks uphill, but 1:28:50.800 --> 1:28:52.640 it isn't really. It might be flat, it might not 1:28:52.720 --> 1:28:58.120 be downhill, but it's certainly not uphill as it looks. 1:28:59.200 --> 1:29:01.920 That's where that having, like the contour books, is so 1:29:02.080 --> 1:29:03.879 big now because that would. 1:29:03.720 --> 1:29:05.720 Just tell you it's that way, That would tell you 1:29:05.800 --> 1:29:07.760 that's way. But I still think there's an element that 1:29:07.920 --> 1:29:13.480 the green books that they just you can like logically 1:29:13.680 --> 1:29:16.760 see that it's not uphill, that it's downhill, but your 1:29:16.800 --> 1:29:20.320 brain still sees what it sees, and it sees uphill. 1:29:20.600 --> 1:29:24.519 You know, that's topic a little bit of an optical illusion. 1:29:24.600 --> 1:29:29.960 That green sometimes so it's a seven, is a really 1:29:30.000 --> 1:29:32.599 incredibly difficult, difficult green. I mean that back left pin 1:29:32.640 --> 1:29:34.400 I think they did it on Friday is a really 1:29:34.479 --> 1:29:36.360 fun pin because you can kind of filter things down 1:29:36.400 --> 1:29:37.960 in towards it, and you can miss it just over 1:29:37.960 --> 1:29:39.320 the green. You see a lot of guys will chip 1:29:39.360 --> 1:29:41.000 it in from just over the back. The whole shots 1:29:41.000 --> 1:29:46.400 from just over the back. So the left pin short 1:29:46.520 --> 1:29:48.840 is bad, long as good, the right pin short is good, 1:29:48.920 --> 1:29:53.280 long as bad again, completely changing the way you approach 1:29:53.360 --> 1:29:55.640 the second shot just by moving the pin, which is 1:29:55.760 --> 1:29:57.320 again it happens all the way around the court. 1:29:58.120 --> 1:30:02.800 That's it's neat. Is variety two with how it with 1:30:02.920 --> 1:30:05.360 the other holes on the back where you know long 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:06.760 life is mostly dead. 1:30:07.200 --> 1:30:11.560 Yeah, long generally is dead. But augusta and four or 1:30:11.640 --> 1:30:14.559 five spots is kind of sneaky, and that it doesn't 1:30:14.640 --> 1:30:17.480 look like long would be decent. But in some situations 1:30:17.640 --> 1:30:19.800 long is actually pretty good and short is actually awful, 1:30:19.840 --> 1:30:23.240 and fourteen is fourteen is definitely like that, and seventeen 1:30:23.280 --> 1:30:25.040 on the left hand side is definitely like that too. 1:30:25.120 --> 1:30:27.840 I mean short on seventeen isn't on the left isn't awful, 1:30:28.640 --> 1:30:31.680 but it's markedly easier from past the pin on that 1:30:31.840 --> 1:30:32.160 left pin. 1:30:32.600 --> 1:30:36.240 If you didn't hit any of the greens, but we're 1:30:36.320 --> 1:30:38.760 in all the right spots, it would be pretty easy 1:30:38.800 --> 1:30:40.360 to shoot around part right. 1:30:40.960 --> 1:30:42.519 Yeah, if you're a nice chipper and you've got a 1:30:42.560 --> 1:30:46.960 decent short game, it doesn't present anything other than just 1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:50.720 a relatively normal challenge from the right miss on every hole. 1:30:50.800 --> 1:30:52.640 For every pin, there is a correct miss for every 1:30:52.680 --> 1:30:55.200 hole in every pin. It's just really difficult to work 1:30:55.280 --> 1:30:57.280 out what that miss is because it's not often what 1:30:57.400 --> 1:31:00.800 you think, and it's their difficult spots to hit it into. 1:31:01.680 --> 1:31:08.559 It's it's often difficult to work out where the miss 1:31:08.720 --> 1:31:12.040 is at the Masters, and it's always difficult to miss 1:31:12.080 --> 1:31:15.120 it there. It's always difficult to miss it in the 1:31:15.200 --> 1:31:15.920 right spot. 1:31:16.000 --> 1:31:18.519 Hard to figure out, and then even harder to get to. 1:31:18.920 --> 1:31:21.600 Yeah, I mean not always they If you put the 1:31:21.680 --> 1:31:25.639 easy pin on every green, there's eight or nine pins 1:31:25.680 --> 1:31:26.960 that if you're hitting it well, you're going to have 1:31:27.040 --> 1:31:31.120 lots of short birdy parts, but there is five or 1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:33.680 six really hard pins on every single green that you 1:31:33.760 --> 1:31:35.920 could if they really wanted to, they could get the 1:31:35.920 --> 1:31:37.920 whole field shoot over par in a day. I think really, 1:31:38.000 --> 1:31:41.080 if they really like went to the hardest pin on 1:31:41.160 --> 1:31:44.120 every green, it'd be incredibly difficult to shoot underpath. 1:31:44.880 --> 1:31:51.040 Yeah, hard Pende. Battle of Attrition is the eighteenth T shirt. 1:31:51.160 --> 1:31:53.800 As claustrophobic as it looks. 1:31:54.640 --> 1:31:59.160 It's very narrow, and I've seen Jordan's at last yeary 1:31:59.200 --> 1:32:01.360 caught that tree right and it kind of stopped his 1:32:01.479 --> 1:32:05.920 great round, a bit of a black, a little bit 1:32:05.960 --> 1:32:09.320 of a I don't know, sad finish to an incredible 1:32:09.360 --> 1:32:12.639 run race shots. Did shoot sixty four, sixty four, shot 1:32:12.720 --> 1:32:17.439 sixty four with bog line and he caught that tree. Now, 1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:19.000 I've seen guys do in practice, and I think I've 1:32:19.000 --> 1:32:20.840 done a couple of guys doing the tournament, but generally 1:32:22.640 --> 1:32:25.360 it's probably wider than it appears. It's a very narrow 1:32:25.520 --> 1:32:31.160 kind of corridor and it's a tough T shot. But 1:32:31.360 --> 1:32:33.599 for me, it was always one of my more comfortable 1:32:33.600 --> 1:32:35.679 T shirts on the course because my miss is right, 1:32:36.880 --> 1:32:39.479 not left. My miss was always a kind of a 1:32:39.560 --> 1:32:41.360 weak kind of drift to the right. If I didn't 1:32:41.400 --> 1:32:44.479 like really smash it. It would be not right but 1:32:45.520 --> 1:32:46.720 drifting just kind of right. 1:32:47.160 --> 1:32:49.839 Yeah, feeders eat hookers, eat hamburger. 1:32:51.800 --> 1:32:56.360 There you go. So and after they made it longer, 1:32:57.520 --> 1:33:01.599 I struggled to get it to the bunkers. It's two 1:33:01.760 --> 1:33:05.200 ninety or three hundred uphill to that bunker and a 1:33:05.240 --> 1:33:08.720 fairway that really it rolls about three yards because it's well, 1:33:08.720 --> 1:33:11.680 it's really steep uphill. He saw and bounced a bit 1:33:11.720 --> 1:33:15.800 more on the old days, but when they kind of 1:33:15.880 --> 1:33:18.200 started cutting every fairway back towards the tea like that, 1:33:18.400 --> 1:33:20.439 it just took it just took enough off the first bounce, 1:33:20.439 --> 1:33:22.160 so it just pretty much hits and stops on eighteen. 1:33:22.200 --> 1:33:23.760 So for me, I just aimed at the bunkers and 1:33:23.760 --> 1:33:26.760 smashed it as as I could, and generally if I 1:33:26.840 --> 1:33:28.599 missed it, that would just drift off to the right 1:33:28.760 --> 1:33:30.320 middle of the fairway, and if I had it straight 1:33:30.360 --> 1:33:31.720 then it probably didn't get to the bunker. And I 1:33:31.840 --> 1:33:34.679 was fine. But the second shot I found really difficult 1:33:34.720 --> 1:33:36.640 because again, so. 1:33:36.720 --> 1:33:39.080 That's a really hard driving hall for a gay that 1:33:39.160 --> 1:33:39.759 hiss the draft. 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:42.479 Yeah for fleetwood on MACAROI that's a tough shot like 1:33:42.640 --> 1:33:46.160 these big drawers who struggle to move the ball left right. 1:33:46.680 --> 1:33:49.080 Jason Day, he's three wood. He doesn't really love moving 1:33:49.120 --> 1:33:50.400 the ball left right as much as he does the 1:33:50.439 --> 1:33:54.519 other way. These guys, it's quite tricky. And again the 1:33:54.640 --> 1:33:57.040 longer you get, the harder it gets. The really long 1:33:57.120 --> 1:33:59.439 guys really have to be wary of those bunkers because 1:33:59.439 --> 1:34:01.360 they're deep and no fun. You can hit it on 1:34:01.400 --> 1:34:04.639 the green out of them, but you just much prefer 1:34:04.760 --> 1:34:05.360 not to be in them. 1:34:05.560 --> 1:34:08.759 Seventeen is better for a fader too right to certain 1:34:08.800 --> 1:34:12.000 excent probably yeah, I mean no, especially. 1:34:13.560 --> 1:34:15.280 Well eyes and how's tree kind of makes you want 1:34:15.360 --> 1:34:19.080 hit a draw? Yeah, And there's again a bit of 1:34:19.160 --> 1:34:21.760 overhang on the left off the tee on seventeen to 1:34:21.800 --> 1:34:24.360 someone who hit in the big fade. So, I don't know, 1:34:24.400 --> 1:34:25.640 I mean, it looks like you want to draw it 1:34:25.640 --> 1:34:27.599 off to seventeenth tee. It doesn't really. You don't need 1:34:27.680 --> 1:34:28.920 to hit it either way or seven. You can hit 1:34:28.960 --> 1:34:33.000 whichever T shirt you want, but it's your eye gets 1:34:33.120 --> 1:34:37.479 drawn to hitting a draw. Eighteen is definitely not a 1:34:37.560 --> 1:34:42.400 draw T shirt. And the second shot I was found 1:34:42.400 --> 1:34:45.120 difficult because it's a really extreme upside. You're hitting it 1:34:45.200 --> 1:34:46.640 off and hitting it up a long hill. I mean, 1:34:46.680 --> 1:34:48.200 if it's one sixty you get to the pin, it's 1:34:48.280 --> 1:34:50.679 playing one seventy five like, it's playing a lot longer 1:34:50.720 --> 1:34:54.680 than a measures, and it's off up slopes. Again, my miss, 1:34:55.479 --> 1:34:58.240 particularly off upslopes. If I missed it, I missed it right. 1:34:58.600 --> 1:35:00.160 And so you miss it in that right bunker, which 1:35:00.200 --> 1:35:02.800 is very rarely a good spot. I mean, it's okay 1:35:02.840 --> 1:35:04.280 to the back right pin, oh, that kind of the 1:35:04.360 --> 1:35:08.880 back pins, but to that sunday pin, that right bunker, 1:35:08.960 --> 1:35:11.160 it seems like it would be the miss. But it's 1:35:11.240 --> 1:35:12.639 a really, really tough shot. 1:35:13.680 --> 1:35:16.799 Do you think that upslopes the up slopes the hardest 1:35:16.920 --> 1:35:19.799 one to manage your distance? 1:35:20.800 --> 1:35:25.320 Yeah? Again, because it wants you to go short right. 1:35:25.400 --> 1:35:27.559 The ball goes up in the air and ends up short, 1:35:27.760 --> 1:35:29.000 and that's one of them. You don't want to be 1:35:29.040 --> 1:35:31.720 short there either. I mean it's again, there isn't a 1:35:31.760 --> 1:35:35.640 good miss on eighteen on the green, maybe over the 1:35:35.760 --> 1:35:37.880 back on the back tier. You know, the guys just 1:35:37.960 --> 1:35:39.640 dribble the puts out of the fringe and roll it 1:35:39.680 --> 1:35:41.080 down to the hole. You see most guys get it 1:35:41.160 --> 1:35:42.599 up and down from over the back On eighteen they're 1:35:42.640 --> 1:35:45.000 into that back pen, but left of the green on 1:35:45.040 --> 1:35:47.719 eighteen runs down into the patrons, and that's an awful 1:35:48.000 --> 1:35:50.519 kind of spot to be And that right bunker, as 1:35:50.520 --> 1:35:52.360 I said, it's no guarantee you look off a good lie. 1:35:52.800 --> 1:35:54.240 If you could find a bit of an upslope and 1:35:54.280 --> 1:35:56.280 a good lie, it would be relatively simple bunker shot 1:35:56.280 --> 1:35:57.680 for most two guys to get it up and down 1:35:57.720 --> 1:35:59.800 from that right bunker. But you generally don't end up 1:35:59.800 --> 1:36:02.400 on upside, but a really perfect loe, you end up 1:36:02.400 --> 1:36:04.600 on the flat or a down slope. And it's the 1:36:04.680 --> 1:36:06.320 last hole we've been around at the Masters, and you 1:36:06.400 --> 1:36:08.320 really just want to get in, and there's a bunch 1:36:08.320 --> 1:36:10.519 of people around, and that's not really the shot you love. 1:36:13.000 --> 1:36:15.720 But again, that that front pin on eighteen that we've 1:36:15.960 --> 1:36:18.639 historically sent a lot of people make birdie where people 1:36:18.760 --> 1:36:20.760 hold that put from the Marco mirror part in the 1:36:21.640 --> 1:36:23.439 all those parts from twenty feet right of the pin, 1:36:24.280 --> 1:36:27.040 you've got probably a thirty foot circle to hit it 1:36:27.560 --> 1:36:30.880 like depth and width, and you'll have that part. It'll 1:36:30.960 --> 1:36:32.800 run up the tier, run back, or it'll just land 1:36:32.840 --> 1:36:34.559 and roll in that spot will generally end up there. 1:36:35.080 --> 1:36:38.200 But if you miss that thirty foot circle. You're going 1:36:38.280 --> 1:36:39.000 to have some problems. 1:36:41.040 --> 1:36:44.479 Yeah, that it is like anything, it's the whole theme 1:36:44.560 --> 1:36:46.240 of the place. If you hit it in the race spart, 1:36:46.360 --> 1:36:47.280 you've got a good look. 1:36:47.680 --> 1:36:50.639 Yeah. And some days, the birdie days or the days 1:36:50.680 --> 1:36:52.200 they set up for people to go low, or the 1:36:52.280 --> 1:36:54.080 whole specific holes when they're set up to go low, 1:36:54.120 --> 1:36:56.840 you've got massive circles of areas to hit it into 1:36:56.880 --> 1:36:59.479 and the ball will go towards a hole, and then 1:36:59.520 --> 1:37:01.840 the very next day they move the pin twenty feet 1:37:01.880 --> 1:37:04.720 across theales. How they're green, and you've got absolutely minuscule 1:37:05.400 --> 1:37:08.360 targets to keep it near the hole, and if it doesn't, 1:37:08.360 --> 1:37:11.360 it repels fifty feet away from the hole all day. 1:37:11.520 --> 1:37:17.000 So it's it really is a course that just purely 1:37:17.080 --> 1:37:21.880 by the pin positions, they can completely change the way 1:37:22.040 --> 1:37:24.960 you feel about your swing, the way you score, the 1:37:25.080 --> 1:37:30.320 putch you're going to have. It's it's every hole can 1:37:30.360 --> 1:37:33.519 play difficult, and generally most holes, not all holes, but 1:37:33.640 --> 1:37:37.880 most holes could play somewhat easy with simple pins or 1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:41.599 the fun funnel pins and the repelling pins. I mean, 1:37:41.640 --> 1:37:44.720 every hole complain is so brutally difficult. And again, the 1:37:44.840 --> 1:37:49.160 genius again usually is it makes you tight and scared 1:37:49.200 --> 1:37:52.320 to miss it, and that's when you don't hit precise shots, 1:37:52.960 --> 1:37:54.880 hit in precise shots when you do that, and that's 1:37:55.479 --> 1:37:57.479 where it catches you out. That's why you see guys 1:37:57.560 --> 1:38:01.439 like Phil and Phil when tournament a lot, because they've 1:38:01.520 --> 1:38:04.280 got that cavalier win or it doesn't matter kind of attitude. 1:38:04.320 --> 1:38:06.760 And that really is the only way to kind of 1:38:06.840 --> 1:38:09.240 truly contend that the masses consistently is to be a 1:38:09.280 --> 1:38:11.439 little bit cavalier about it. You've got to play well, 1:38:12.000 --> 1:38:17.880 you can't miss it, but it rewards free swinging aggression. 1:38:19.280 --> 1:38:23.479 Is a great way to put it. It's that close. 1:38:24.360 --> 1:38:27.200 It kind of tightens up after sixteen, where it's a 1:38:27.720 --> 1:38:28.639 little tough clothes. 1:38:29.040 --> 1:38:32.799 Yeah, you got thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. With the traditional 1:38:32.880 --> 1:38:36.000 Sunday pins, you have every chance to have four birdies 1:38:36.000 --> 1:38:39.040 in a row there or twenty eleven. I birdied twelve 1:38:39.080 --> 1:38:42.320 through sixteen. Actually you got every chance. Then you stand 1:38:42.360 --> 1:38:44.880 on the seventeen and you are earning your two pass. 1:38:45.320 --> 1:38:47.160 Like if you have to pay the last two holes 1:38:47.200 --> 1:38:50.040 to win the Masters, and you do, every golfer's ever 1:38:50.040 --> 1:38:51.400 played there is going to take their hat off and 1:38:51.479 --> 1:38:54.519 go well done. They are not easy passed. Seventeen is 1:38:54.560 --> 1:38:57.160 not around not that long, and guys have relatively short 1:38:57.200 --> 1:39:01.360 shots in there. But it's one of those repel pins 1:39:01.360 --> 1:39:03.040 where you really don't have a very big area to 1:39:03.120 --> 1:39:04.519 hit it into, and if you don't hit it in 1:39:04.560 --> 1:39:06.639 that area, you're gonna have a really tough tom Miking paw. 1:39:06.840 --> 1:39:09.400 And iten is kind of similar to that front pin. 1:39:09.520 --> 1:39:12.280 It's a very variable pin butt. If you miss that area, 1:39:13.360 --> 1:39:14.840 you're gonna have an awful Tommiking paw. 1:39:15.840 --> 1:39:19.880 My question, you know, I have tabled if you flip 1:39:20.080 --> 1:39:24.400 the flip the nines when they were originally done the 1:39:24.479 --> 1:39:27.880 way the first two tournaments were played would have been 1:39:28.160 --> 1:39:31.280 the front nine to the back nine, and you'd almost 1:39:31.360 --> 1:39:35.519 have the reverse effect of the nine where you're really tough. 1:39:35.600 --> 1:39:38.040 Holes would be the middle of the back nine. But 1:39:38.160 --> 1:39:42.360 then the last three with seven being a short part 1:39:42.439 --> 1:39:48.840 four par five short part four would be almost a 1:39:48.920 --> 1:39:50.880 different dynamic, right it would. 1:39:50.960 --> 1:39:53.240 I think it would be completely different. And again, whether 1:39:54.479 --> 1:39:58.920 this was the genius of Robertson Jones kind of just 1:39:59.040 --> 1:40:02.160 seeing that, or they liked the logistics of it, or 1:40:02.200 --> 1:40:04.160 they liked the feel of the first hole rather than 1:40:04.200 --> 1:40:06.640 the tenth as a first hole, you know, I mean 1:40:07.400 --> 1:40:09.600 the tenth would be a beautiful first t shirt. You know, 1:40:09.680 --> 1:40:11.320 everyone gets it running it down the hill and. 1:40:13.240 --> 1:40:14.120 It's really wide. 1:40:14.479 --> 1:40:18.799 Yeah, it's they're both nice first holes, right, Actually they're 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:21.000 both tricky holes, but nice te shots to get the 1:40:21.040 --> 1:40:27.720 field away again, either serendipitous or genius or a bit 1:40:27.760 --> 1:40:30.240 of both, you know, just this kind of sense and 1:40:30.360 --> 1:40:33.640 feeling that, you know what, there's more drama on this 1:40:33.840 --> 1:40:36.320 back nine as we know it than there is on 1:40:36.400 --> 1:40:40.240 the other one. I mean, seven eight nine, there's there's drama, 1:40:40.320 --> 1:40:44.160 but there's no water. There's probably no doubles. There's no 1:40:44.240 --> 1:40:50.760 real double bogies. You know, the score the thirteen is 1:40:50.840 --> 1:40:55.960 legitimately four to seven, the score three to seven. Scoring 1:40:56.080 --> 1:40:58.800 RTE fourteen is three four and five. Maybe even a 1:40:58.880 --> 1:41:01.760 six fifteen is three four five six seven sixteen is 1:41:02.720 --> 1:41:06.240 two to five. You know, as much more dramatic swings 1:41:06.280 --> 1:41:07.880 you're going to get in the scores through those holes, 1:41:07.920 --> 1:41:10.360 and seven eight nine you could get par birdie par 1:41:11.040 --> 1:41:15.360 really really regularly. You probably won't see many doubles on seven. 1:41:15.439 --> 1:41:16.360 You'll see no doubles on. 1:41:17.920 --> 1:41:19.960 Won the whole nine you. 1:41:20.000 --> 1:41:23.400 Can mess up. But it's a pretty wide fair way, 1:41:23.439 --> 1:41:25.200 and really, if you had to make par, you can 1:41:25.280 --> 1:41:26.760 find a way to just kind of miss it long 1:41:26.800 --> 1:41:28.040 right of the pin and just find a way to 1:41:28.080 --> 1:41:34.040 make par right. But there's thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. You 1:41:34.160 --> 1:41:38.439 can be six under or six over with a few 1:41:38.479 --> 1:41:41.120 bad swings. Are a few good swings. I guess the 1:41:41.280 --> 1:41:43.479 drama that's what makes the Masters is the swings and 1:41:43.560 --> 1:41:46.760 the drama, like the you're never too far back. Really, 1:41:46.840 --> 1:41:49.360 with five or six holes to play on the front, 1:41:49.400 --> 1:41:49.840 you would be. 1:41:50.439 --> 1:41:53.559 The only other course that's got that kind of three 1:41:53.680 --> 1:41:57.320 whole dynamic on the back, as Sagrass with sixteen, seventeen, eighteen. 1:41:57.479 --> 1:41:59.439 Sagrass does it well too. I mean that was again 1:41:59.479 --> 1:42:05.720 the genius peak die. It was sixteen. It's three to seven, right, 1:42:05.800 --> 1:42:08.400 I mean it's but it's eagle to double. Seventeen is 1:42:08.880 --> 1:42:12.439 two to whatever you want, and eighteen is maybe the 1:42:12.479 --> 1:42:16.080 hardest stadium hole anywhere in the world. So you you 1:42:16.200 --> 1:42:19.240 get a chance to kind of solidify your score on sixteen, 1:42:19.280 --> 1:42:21.200 and then it's just you can maybe make a bartie 1:42:21.200 --> 1:42:22.479 on seventeen with a good shot, but you can have 1:42:22.479 --> 1:42:24.519 a train wre because the most nervous where John nine one, 1:42:24.560 --> 1:42:26.479 you're ever going to have an eighteen. It's just two 1:42:26.560 --> 1:42:28.439 of the best shots you've ever hit, or even a misgreen. 1:42:30.080 --> 1:42:33.040 Yeah. And then it with like US Open where you 1:42:33.080 --> 1:42:36.759 have the long rough, it just mutes the dispersion of scores. 1:42:37.479 --> 1:42:42.439 I think you you end up the US Opens at 1:42:42.560 --> 1:42:47.599 least in my lifetime have been hang on for dear 1:42:47.680 --> 1:42:51.920 life and my one. I was the only one to 1:42:51.960 --> 1:42:53.360 part of the last four holes in the last eight 1:42:53.400 --> 1:42:56.960 groups or something like. It's so the guy who made 1:42:57.000 --> 1:42:59.559 the most pars is the guy who won the tournament. 1:42:59.640 --> 1:43:01.439 The mass is that's never going to be the case. 1:43:01.880 --> 1:43:05.400 That dynamic of seventeen, eighteen and Augusta is like the 1:43:05.520 --> 1:43:07.280 last sex it USLF. 1:43:07.360 --> 1:43:08.759 Yeah, it's the first, it's the last eighteen. 1:43:10.280 --> 1:43:11.000 That's a good point. 1:43:12.400 --> 1:43:18.320 It's just I don't know. It's just the perfect golf course, 1:43:18.880 --> 1:43:21.640 along with a perfect venue and conditioning and history and 1:43:21.680 --> 1:43:26.720 tradition and everything else. It's the perfect kind of in 1:43:26.800 --> 1:43:28.559 the middle of the back nine. You start the back 1:43:28.680 --> 1:43:32.000 nine like you pay attention and then it's like, well, 1:43:32.920 --> 1:43:34.920 here's your chance. And then it's like, well, now you've 1:43:35.000 --> 1:43:37.280 taken your chance. Now you to You're got to prove it. 1:43:37.479 --> 1:43:41.760 You've got to like reconcile your score or solidify your 1:43:41.800 --> 1:43:43.720 score or you know you're not. You don't get away 1:43:43.760 --> 1:43:46.320 that easy. You know you've got to You can't just 1:43:47.080 --> 1:43:49.720 go five under from thirteen to sixteen and then just 1:43:50.439 --> 1:43:52.439 like fake your way in. I mean, you're going to 1:43:53.439 --> 1:43:56.120 four real golf shots in the last two holes in sixteen. 1:43:56.200 --> 1:43:59.479 Is the one place on the entire back nine really 1:43:59.560 --> 1:44:02.800 where you can you can hit a shot that might 1:44:02.880 --> 1:44:06.080 be average and have it turnout really good. 1:44:06.840 --> 1:44:09.960 Yes, yeah, And there's a few again those big, those 1:44:10.080 --> 1:44:14.080 big bucket pins or those kind of you would say 1:44:14.200 --> 1:44:16.960 not repelling pins, the ones that are the balls. The 1:44:17.080 --> 1:44:19.120 pin seems to attract the ball. There's that low one 1:44:19.160 --> 1:44:21.400 on seven that they use. There's the bottom one on six, 1:44:22.680 --> 1:44:25.320 there's the low one on sixteen, there's that middle one 1:44:25.360 --> 1:44:28.400 on fourteen. There's there's a bunch of holes out there 1:44:28.560 --> 1:44:30.400 nine that kind of front pin. Guys can hit it 1:44:30.439 --> 1:44:33.439 pretty close from anywhere around it. The ball just seems 1:44:33.479 --> 1:44:36.840 to get attracted towards the pin. There's a lot of 1:44:36.880 --> 1:44:39.360 opportunity if you're hitting good shots to hit it inside 1:44:39.439 --> 1:44:42.639 ten feet eight times in a day, but with shots 1:44:42.680 --> 1:44:45.760 that aren't really normally wouldn't be inside ten feet anywhere else, 1:44:47.360 --> 1:44:49.200 But you have a lot of times that week where 1:44:49.200 --> 1:44:50.920 you could hit shots that would normally be ten feet 1:44:50.960 --> 1:44:51.720 that they're fifty feet. 1:44:53.640 --> 1:44:56.280 Yeah, this is the contour. Is what's the amazing thing? 1:44:56.880 --> 1:44:58.760 Is it? Dog talked about it, and in a part 1:44:58.800 --> 1:45:03.479 of Tom dok about the how he wishes as some 1:45:03.600 --> 1:45:07.280 of us cross, he cout signs and bumps that said, like, 1:45:07.360 --> 1:45:08.920 if you're reading this, you are on the wrong side 1:45:08.920 --> 1:45:11.600 of this contour. Yeah, and that's like what you were 1:45:11.600 --> 1:45:13.840 talking about with fifteen when you're coming from the rate 1:45:14.640 --> 1:45:16.880 totally on the rong side of that versus the left 1:45:17.080 --> 1:45:19.200 if you're coming in on the third chat. 1:45:19.720 --> 1:45:23.040 And there's so much counterintuitive, like almost for the guy 1:45:23.080 --> 1:45:26.920 who understands strategy at first, August is almost harder. 1:45:27.360 --> 1:45:27.920 It tricks you. 1:45:28.200 --> 1:45:31.720 It tricks you because the common logic on fifteen for 1:45:31.800 --> 1:45:33.439 the left pin would be the layer up down the right, 1:45:33.479 --> 1:45:36.360 which is what I did, and it's just completely awful 1:45:36.360 --> 1:45:38.640 over there. You want to actually be almost down on 1:45:38.720 --> 1:45:40.960 the left rough so and that happens all the way 1:45:40.960 --> 1:45:43.439 around the course like long right on fourteen it's the same. 1:45:43.520 --> 1:45:47.960 It's kind of counterintuitive. Long left on seventeen long is 1:45:48.040 --> 1:45:51.479 generally bad everywhere in the world, right on fast green courses, 1:45:51.760 --> 1:45:57.400 but the third long is doable sort is not. It's 1:45:59.160 --> 1:46:01.720 and again the slow hopes, the use of slope. The 1:46:01.800 --> 1:46:04.160 course is on quite a hill. The clubhouse is quite 1:46:04.160 --> 1:46:06.720 a long way above the twelfth Green. I don't know 1:46:06.720 --> 1:46:12.720 how many feet, two hundred feet, it's documented. But it's 1:46:12.800 --> 1:46:16.640 the traversing the slopes. They didn't necessarily go straight up 1:46:16.640 --> 1:46:17.439 and down the hills. 1:46:18.960 --> 1:46:21.840 Hill side courses is it gets really repetitive. 1:46:21.479 --> 1:46:23.880 Up they go up and down, whereas Augusta goes across. 1:46:24.520 --> 1:46:28.479 And so the genius of Jones and Mackenzie were and 1:46:28.600 --> 1:46:31.400 everyone else who's had their kind of hands on it 1:46:31.439 --> 1:46:36.280 along the way. It's the slope on the fairway almost 1:46:36.520 --> 1:46:39.680 always is the opposite of the shot you want to hit. 1:46:39.840 --> 1:46:44.519 So they built greens that reward shots that the slope 1:46:44.560 --> 1:46:47.920 on the fairway is making you do the other one. 1:46:48.439 --> 1:46:53.559 And it's all the way around the course. It's, as 1:46:53.600 --> 1:46:58.320 I said, it's a bit fortunate, and it's great architecture, 1:46:58.360 --> 1:47:03.920 great routing. It's just one of those kind of magic 1:47:04.040 --> 1:47:07.320 kind of coming togethers of things that just makes it 1:47:07.479 --> 1:47:11.599 really really work, and it provides an incredible golf course 1:47:11.640 --> 1:47:13.360 for the average person to play. I mean, it would 1:47:13.400 --> 1:47:16.679 be as fun as everybody thinks it really would, because 1:47:16.720 --> 1:47:18.519 the Adien handicapper once you kind of if he could 1:47:18.520 --> 1:47:19.880 get his nerves out of the way and get out 1:47:19.880 --> 1:47:22.560 of the fact that he's at the Masters, play it 1:47:22.600 --> 1:47:24.640 two or three times, sensibly he would be shooting his 1:47:24.680 --> 1:47:26.880 handicap or under it every time. With a good caddy 1:47:26.880 --> 1:47:28.920 who told him where to hit it. You can keep 1:47:28.920 --> 1:47:30.400 it out of trouble all day if you want. There's 1:47:30.400 --> 1:47:32.840 almost no force carries really, I mean twelves a force carry, 1:47:32.880 --> 1:47:35.320 but it's a pretty short hole and fifteen you could 1:47:35.400 --> 1:47:37.360 even go around it if you wanted to. There's no 1:47:37.560 --> 1:47:40.560 real forced carries. There's no rough off the tee. You 1:47:40.640 --> 1:47:42.479 can hit the ball along the ground all day except 1:47:42.479 --> 1:47:46.000 for probably twelve and fifteen, and you could play to 1:47:46.040 --> 1:47:48.000 your handicap pretty comfortably and have a really good day. 1:47:48.200 --> 1:47:49.800 But as soon as you start trying to break your 1:47:49.800 --> 1:47:53.080 handicap by much, that's when it all gets too hard. 1:47:53.160 --> 1:47:55.880 And that's the thing. Every day, it's you go on 1:47:55.960 --> 1:48:00.280 these cycles. You you start conservative when you get there 1:48:00.320 --> 1:48:02.519 because you're scared to get it wrong, and you gradually 1:48:02.560 --> 1:48:04.839 realize you got to get more aggressive, more aggresive, more aggressive, 1:48:04.840 --> 1:48:06.400 and you start thinking, I've got this place, I've got 1:48:06.439 --> 1:48:09.240 this place. And then you get aggressive on how an 1:48:09.240 --> 1:48:10.800 average day and you hit a few bad shots and 1:48:10.880 --> 1:48:12.479 you have train wrecks everywhere, and then you get all 1:48:12.479 --> 1:48:14.320 the way back to the beginning and you get conservative again. 1:48:14.560 --> 1:48:16.160 And then you go through that, you get more and 1:48:16.240 --> 1:48:17.880 more confident and more aggressive, and then you go back. 1:48:17.960 --> 1:48:21.559 It just it's just eventually, the more aggressive you get 1:48:21.600 --> 1:48:22.719 that you're just gonna get burnt. 1:48:22.720 --> 1:48:28.080 At some point, a guy, a batting guy. I read, 1:48:28.320 --> 1:48:30.320 I can't remember who it was. I think it was 1:48:30.400 --> 1:48:34.719 Ben Coley started listing rounds in the sixties from guys. 1:48:35.400 --> 1:48:38.760 I think that's because from what I'm here, when you 1:48:38.920 --> 1:48:41.639 push it, if you feel it's got to be really 1:48:41.720 --> 1:48:44.200 hard after you get it one day, when you get 1:48:44.280 --> 1:48:47.240 the court, when you got it, you know, you walk 1:48:47.280 --> 1:48:49.439 off the course you got I really got that. The 1:48:49.600 --> 1:48:51.439 next day's got to be hard because if you don't, 1:48:51.960 --> 1:48:54.760 you never seem to have the same stuff after a 1:48:54.800 --> 1:48:55.599 really great round. 1:48:56.439 --> 1:48:58.040 No, it's never quite the same as it when you 1:48:58.120 --> 1:49:01.400 have a mid sixties or relatively for everybody like that 1:49:01.560 --> 1:49:04.080 low round that four or five six under you annakeb 1:49:04.160 --> 1:49:05.800 ordyr level or whatever it is. The next day is 1:49:05.840 --> 1:49:06.760 really difficult, right, But. 1:49:06.760 --> 1:49:08.960 Then you're trying to get it like you got it yesterday. 1:49:09.160 --> 1:49:12.200 Uh huh's. And again, the holes can change so much. 1:49:12.280 --> 1:49:15.599 I mean a lot of them stay, I mean six 1:49:15.720 --> 1:49:17.599 or seven of them stay pretty much the same wayver 1:49:17.640 --> 1:49:19.320 the pin is. The first is always a tough hole. 1:49:19.520 --> 1:49:21.560 Whatever happens into the green. Ten is a tough to 1:49:21.760 --> 1:49:23.599 There's no real easy pins on ten. There's no easy 1:49:23.600 --> 1:49:25.479 way to play ten. Eleven is the same pretty much 1:49:25.479 --> 1:49:28.120 every day, I mean a little bit different. But then 1:49:28.160 --> 1:49:30.479 you'll get holes like two, which will have really crazy 1:49:30.520 --> 1:49:33.040 tough pins and then really easy pins. And you'll get 1:49:33.520 --> 1:49:36.320 six with just the most outrageous pin high on the 1:49:36.400 --> 1:49:38.080 right and are really really the left hands tire of 1:49:38.080 --> 1:49:41.080 the green. You kind of take a breath, and everybody 1:49:41.160 --> 1:49:43.240 hits it close, you know. In sixteen. Again there's the 1:49:43.320 --> 1:49:46.400 two easiest pins of the week at other masters, and 1:49:46.439 --> 1:49:47.920 the two hardest pins of the week might all be 1:49:48.000 --> 1:49:52.479 on sixteen, you know, And that's genius architecture. Really because 1:49:53.479 --> 1:49:55.280 you get a different challenge every day and you think 1:49:55.280 --> 1:49:57.200 you've got sixteen worked out, well, put the pin up 1:49:57.240 --> 1:49:58.960 the top. You're not gonna have it worked out, you know. 1:49:59.160 --> 1:50:02.759 It's Yeah, it's brilliant, it's really good. And the variation 1:50:02.920 --> 1:50:06.600 that the variation in score from hold to hole in 1:50:06.720 --> 1:50:09.800 day to day is the sixty six on Thursday is 1:50:09.840 --> 1:50:11.519 completely different from how you have to do a sixty 1:50:11.560 --> 1:50:14.120 six on Friday because the holes that were EASi is 1:50:14.120 --> 1:50:16.200 show Thursday are probably going to be really tough on 1:50:16.280 --> 1:50:20.600 Friday and vice versa. So it's with the exception of 1:50:20.680 --> 1:50:23.080 thirteen and fifteen, I mean, they're traditionally the holes a 1:50:23.360 --> 1:50:26.880 make birdies and the parthives. But you play one hole 1:50:26.920 --> 1:50:29.920 easy one day and then the next day that those 1:50:30.000 --> 1:50:32.160 those easy ones are hard and the hard ones yesterday 1:50:32.200 --> 1:50:35.599 are a little bit easier. And it's it's the drama, 1:50:35.720 --> 1:50:37.920 it's the fluctuat, it's the it's the range of scores 1:50:37.960 --> 1:50:41.280 that it makes you shoot on each hole that keeps 1:50:41.360 --> 1:50:43.759 it endlessly interesting. 1:50:44.600 --> 1:50:48.120 Yeah, endlessly interesting the way. That's a great way to 1:50:48.200 --> 1:50:50.439 describe the masters. Yeah, it is. 1:50:50.520 --> 1:50:55.519 And for the master's sake, they have there are such 1:50:55.720 --> 1:50:58.680 their advantage. One of their big advantages is they you 1:50:58.800 --> 1:51:02.280 play a tournament at the same course every year, and 1:51:02.400 --> 1:51:05.759 they pay attention to every single shot. There's people watching 1:51:05.840 --> 1:51:09.639 every part in every shot, and they understand their pins 1:51:09.960 --> 1:51:13.920 to within six inches, and they understand the weather and 1:51:14.080 --> 1:51:16.120 how soft or firm the fairways are, the pace of 1:51:16.120 --> 1:51:19.280 the greens. They can get their subair system, the agronomy 1:51:19.320 --> 1:51:24.080 at that point, the humidity, the temperature, I mean, absolutely everything, 1:51:24.240 --> 1:51:29.080 and they can they can't dictate a score, but they 1:51:29.200 --> 1:51:33.280 seem to be able to create the drama that they 1:51:33.400 --> 1:51:37.920 need and the tournament to almost always ends up Sunday 1:51:37.960 --> 1:51:41.360 afternoon with unbelievable fun for the last two or three hours. 1:51:41.439 --> 1:51:43.640 I mean, they're just it's an advantage of having the 1:51:43.680 --> 1:51:45.920 same course, but it's it's testament to them and hats 1:51:45.960 --> 1:51:48.640 off that they can actually they pay enough attention and 1:51:48.680 --> 1:51:50.640 they're clever enough and smart enough, and they know the 1:51:50.720 --> 1:51:54.360 game and they understand everything well enough that every year 1:51:54.400 --> 1:51:56.559 on Sunday, even if the first few days it's like, oh, 1:51:56.680 --> 1:51:58.320 this is going to be a weird master, sure enough, 1:51:58.360 --> 1:52:00.519 it's five of the top ten in the world making 1:52:00.560 --> 1:52:03.000 bodies and eagles on the back nine and doubles coming 1:52:03.080 --> 1:52:05.080 down the stretch, and the sun always seems to come out, 1:52:05.120 --> 1:52:07.799 and it's like the great shadows, and it's. 1:52:09.520 --> 1:52:09.640 They. 1:52:10.400 --> 1:52:12.560 It's the attention to detail that they have and the 1:52:12.720 --> 1:52:15.800 understanding of what they've got and how to and how to. 1:52:16.120 --> 1:52:17.920 They can't, as I said, they can't dictate a score, 1:52:18.040 --> 1:52:19.639 but they seem to be able to dictate a style 1:52:19.680 --> 1:52:22.200 of play, or encourage a style of play, and encourage 1:52:22.240 --> 1:52:26.320 a score line and a level of drama that no 1:52:26.479 --> 1:52:28.120 other tournament, of course, seems to be able to do. 1:52:28.439 --> 1:52:32.080 It's a I mean, I say, I'm gushing like a fan, 1:52:32.200 --> 1:52:35.719 but like if the more times you come to the Masters, 1:52:35.760 --> 1:52:37.560 the more you just appreciate what they do. It's just 1:52:37.600 --> 1:52:38.360 an incredible thing. 1:52:39.000 --> 1:52:42.400 I mean, there's reason why everybody Casual Gore found Day 1:52:42.479 --> 1:52:43.400 Holish is a Master. 1:52:44.479 --> 1:52:46.840 Yeah, and we're going, I mean, I'm going pretty deep 1:52:46.880 --> 1:52:49.760 into this. I mean, it's probably not as complicated or 1:52:49.800 --> 1:52:52.599 as fancy as that. It's just a really great golf 1:52:52.680 --> 1:52:55.240 course that just allows the great players, the great players 1:52:55.280 --> 1:52:57.400 in the world, when they're playing their best, to show 1:52:57.479 --> 1:53:00.680 their skills off and to show their like brave they are, 1:53:00.760 --> 1:53:05.400 as I said, that kind of care free aggression, you know, 1:53:05.640 --> 1:53:08.240 like and only the best playing their best can play 1:53:08.360 --> 1:53:11.560 like that, you know, care free aggression. So like Sergio's 1:53:11.560 --> 1:53:13.760 aida on or whatever, it wasn't the fifteen Companies. I mean, 1:53:14.000 --> 1:53:16.360 you wouldn't take that shot on at any other course, 1:53:17.000 --> 1:53:19.320 that exact shot at any other tournament ever, because it's 1:53:19.360 --> 1:53:21.320 a ridiculous shot to try to hit like close to 1:53:21.360 --> 1:53:23.760 that pin on the front there. But the Masters, it 1:53:23.880 --> 1:53:26.120 just seems to bring that. They seem to be able 1:53:26.120 --> 1:53:27.679 to bring that out of the best in the world, 1:53:27.720 --> 1:53:32.200 that that kind of take it on like attitude. It's 1:53:32.240 --> 1:53:32.759 just brilliant. 1:53:33.880 --> 1:53:36.720 Yes, that's it. We're going to cut it there. That 1:53:36.840 --> 1:53:40.280 was That was awesome. I so I help everybody enjoys 1:53:40.320 --> 1:53:42.599 this they go watch it. Hopefully we go a great weekend. 1:53:42.920 --> 1:53:45.080 Well, I mean, I'm sure it will be. It usually 1:53:45.200 --> 1:53:47.560 is unless the weather gets kind of weird. But I 1:53:47.600 --> 1:53:49.280 could talk about Augusta all day obviously. 1:53:49.720 --> 1:53:50.920 All right, thanks for coming on.