WEBVTT - Tom Grennan 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.279 Hello, everyone, Welcome to inside the studio on iHeart Radio. 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.440 My name is Jordan Runtog. But enough about me. My 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:09.160 guest today originally had plans to be a soccer player 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.280 in his native UK. Then he has some drinks at 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.400 a party, saying some karaoke and his musical gifts revealed 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.160 themselves perhaps the best thing to come up drunk karaoke 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:19.799 and human history. He signed a record deal soon after 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.919 graduating college, kick starting a rapid ride to the top 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.080 of the charts. His sophomore album, Evering Road, debuted at 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.240 number one in England when it was released in March. 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:30.440 The record takes its name from the street where he 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.239 once lived with his now ex girlfriend. Their breakup is 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.800 the theme of the album, but as he emphatically says, 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.479 this is not a breakup album. There are no modelin 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:41.720 moments or roof of recriminations to be heard. No. Instead, 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.720 he turns his critical eye on himself, his past mistakes 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.080 in ways that he wasn't always a good partner. Much 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.159 of the music is about owning up to his failings 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.440 and trying to be better. Rather than an album of 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.320 bitter animosity and vengeance, Evering Road is packed with soulful 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.920 songs of redemption and hope. It comes through in his 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:00.720 album's recent single little Bit of Love, a song about 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.080 unconditional acceptance of both himself and others, and his new 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.320 song with Ella Henderson, Let's Go Home Together, suggests a 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:11.280 happy ending. I'm so thrilled to welcome Tom Grennan. Thank 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.040 you man. Honestly that this is crazy for me, is 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.440 so crazy. I can't believe. Like the song is kind 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.880 of working in America, and my dream is to kind 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:22.800 of crack America. So I to be able to talk 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.240 to you man, is is amazing. Take it aback a 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.880 little bit. Your new album, Evering Road is a it's 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:31.160 about it's about a breakup, but it's not a breakup album. 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:32.760 In fact, in a lot of ways, it's a it's 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.479 an anti breakup that album you you're taking this really 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.840 compassionate view of your ex partner and a really thoughtful 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.200 view of yourself and your time together. Can you give 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.119 me a little background on this record, like what went 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.480 down at Evering Road? So Everying Road was it was 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:50.400 kind of it's based on love, heartbreak and redemption. Really 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.440 and really for me it was kind of holding my 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:55.600 hat as me holding my hands up and saying, listen, 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.720 I've done some bad in this relationship, but I needed 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.160 to love myself before I could love anybody else. And unfortunately, 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:06.120 like I hurt someone during that time. But like I said, 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:09.440 like I needed to find happiness in myself and I 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.760 couldn't give that to anybody else until until I had 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.720 that myself. So it's all about that, really, and and 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.320 it is a breakup album, but like you say, it's 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.440 quite an uplifting breakup album. It's not kind of like 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.920 let's cry about it and feel sorry for me. It's 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:26.680 kind of be like, listen, I've done what I've done, 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:28.320 but at the end of the day, I'm a human 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.640 being and we all make mistakes. Just don't make the 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:36.280 same mistake. Twice. I mentioned compassion earlier, and that really 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.079 comes through on the song A little Bit of Love 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.520 to My Ears. It's about showing love and compassion to yourself, 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:43.960 which is one of the hardest things to do in 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:45.320 a lot of ways. Tell me to tell me more 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.440 about that song. Yeah, So A little Bit of loves 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.480 like all about unconditional love and knowing that you deserve 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.919 to be loved and deserved to feel loved as well, 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.240 no matter who you are away from what you are 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:03.359 is everybody deserves deserves it. And for me, like when 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.440 I was going through this kind of mad time and 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.520 where I was like at in my life, I moved 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.639 back with my mom and dad and it was there 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.680 where like I was like, oh my gosh, like I 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.960 needed to come home and see like the unconditional love 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.040 my mom and dads have for me and my brother 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.120 has to for me for the for them not to 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.760 kind of say do you know what, Yeah, I am 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:29.120 worthy of love, And that's what it's all about, really, 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.400 And I wanted to make an uplifting record, and I 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.240 feel like the time that we're in now and the 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.360 world that we're living in right now, like this really 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.240 has connected with people in that way, and like the 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.480 best thing to do right now is to send a 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.080 little bit of love to anywhere and anyone and just 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.920 remind people that good times are coming and it's going 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.080 to be great. Oh absolutely. I mean in the same 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.400 way that that you went home to kind of reflect 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.320 and reboot. I feel like so many of us have 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.600 been doing that m the last year by having this 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.720 this time to really sit and think and reflect on 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.160 ourselves and how we can be better, which I think 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.040 is a really admirable thing that you're you're putting forward 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.520 in the messages and your songs. For sure, like this 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.600 whole like years, you know what I mean? Well, last 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.640 year was a time I needed to kind of I 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.680 still had a lot of demons I needed to kind 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.560 of work out and kind of just face up to. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.520 And this year and last year has definitely given me 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.400 that time. And honestly, I've never been happier man. And 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.320 life is so good and I wake up every morning 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.520 with a smile on my face and I'm very very grateful, 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.520 and I'm very very thankful that like my family and 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:34.920 have got their health and and thinks I haven't been 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.240 too bad. But was it clear early on that this 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:39.839 was sort of going to be the theme in a 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.880 way of this album or did you write your songs 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.159 and look back and sort of see the thread emerging through? Well, 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.960 I actually finished this record ever in road before like 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:52.080 coronavirus and stuff was a theme. So it was meant 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.760 to come out last year March Corona then happened and 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:57.920 I was like, this doesn't feel like the right time 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.920 to put a record out because there's so much more 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.840 important things to be getting on with and also like 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.200 to learn about, you know what I mean. So I 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.120 was like, you know what, Let's hold off for a 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.800 year and see where and if if this record still 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.040 feels like it needs to come out, then it will 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.400 come out. And to be honest with you, I didn't 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.839 do anything with the records at all. I finished it 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.279 and and parked it for a year. And it's weird 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.120 because it all kind of makes sense to to that, 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.240 to the relationship that was in an every ing row, 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:28.719 but then it all kind of I was like, oh 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.040 my god, these songs are like making sense to what's 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.720 going on now. And like I said, I want it's 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:38.200 an uplifting, up tempo kind of records. So I was like, 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.719 this was like the right time now, and I feel 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.080 like people need it. And when I was listening to 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.400 the record before it was out, I was like, I 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.760 can picture myself being at live shows and and if 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.840 I was just I wasn't actually singing the songs, I'd 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.200 be watching it and just being like, oh my god, 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:58.159 like we are, we are living our lives and it's great. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:00.919 It must be author for you to have it have 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.320 all those not only the feelings, but just the songs 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.320 and everything out there, I must feel, I must feel, 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:09.120 like to be honest with you, like this relationship that 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.080 I was in, like I was two years ago and 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.839 I was I was afraid that I was like, oh 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:18.120 my god, God, will people understand the story? Right? Well, 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.440 they think that like I was just just too much 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.080 of a bit of an idiot, and but people really 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.320 really like, we're so positive about this record, and just 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.679 that's all I wanted. Man, I just wanted to make people. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.120 I wanted to make people to think. I didn't want 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.920 this rector this album to be an album that you 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.679 just put on and you kind of have in the background. Yeah, 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.320 like I wanted people to think. I wanted people to smile. 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.239 I wanted people to kind of go, let's forget about 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.719 the bad days and just just move forward and just 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.880 get on with life and just try and be a 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.280 better person. And that's what it's all about. And that's 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.880 what I've done, and and the messages I've been getting 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.479 is just just unreal, just crazy. Is there a single 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.479 track on the album that really means the most to you? 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.400 They all may mean their own little things to me, 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.919 but for me, like the most there's a there's a 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.120 song called Love Has Different Ways to Say Goodbye, and 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.280 it's the ending song. And for me, like it's a 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:15.640 very cinematic kind of song where you sit down you're like, 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:17.440 oh my god, I feel like I'm watching a film, 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.000 and like lyrically, like I feel like they're all my 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.200 best lyrics, and I feel like musically, I don't know, 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.120 I just told the story in a song, you know 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.120 what I mean, And like it ended the album so well, 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.360 and and it feels like a bit of a James 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:34.520 Bond Bond song, Yeah, And when I listened to it 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.800 kind of always makes me think, you know what, love 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.040 does have different ways to say goodbye? And sometimes like 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.680 there were people shouting, and there'll be people arguing, but 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.360 sometimes that we people say and listen, this is what 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.000 it has to be. And sometimes people aren't meant to 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.760 be together. And that's all right, you know what I mean, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:55.240 That's that's okay, But good luck withever, whatever you do 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.000 and whatever the other person does, you know what I mean. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.640 I love the song. It hurts I it's sad, but 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.640 also it's funny that things can be both sad and 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:05.800 uplifting at the same time. And I think you do 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.080 that beautifully on that track, Thank you. Yeah, well, this 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.600 is it, Like the songs are really they are like 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.440 if you get into like the lyrics and and what 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.320 they're actually about, they are they are like deep, they 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.440 are sad, They are kind of like, oh my god, 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.640 I was going through a lot of crazy things and 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:24.760 there was a lot of things going on in my 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:26.920 head that weren't They were dark, do you know what 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.800 I mean? But they're uplifting with the music and and 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.079 with like the beats and with with everything, you know 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.800 what I mean. So, yeah, it's funny. It's probably a 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.000 strange question. You know how they always say that every 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.720 character in your dreams are actually you, and it's you 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:44.960 kind of project all these feelings and emotions and your 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.920 actions onto these characters and they work out whatever you're 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.400 going through. And because it's it's not you, it's other 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.560 people that you're seeing, it's it gives you perspective in 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.680 a lot of ways. When you were reading back your lyrics, 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.480 was that almost the case for you? Did you learn 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.280 anything about yourself by singing these songs that all of 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:01.920 a sudden you thought, oh my gosh, this is what 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.320 I met. This is what I should have done differently, 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:09.240 for sure, Like I I learned that I was doing 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.240 some really like not the right thing, and I've learned 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.760 that I was going through a bad spot and I 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.600 couldn't talk to people about it because I don't know. 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.520 I had had a lot of things that guilt on 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.680 my on my soul. I had like hurt on my soul. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.080 I had like all these different things going on in 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.920 in my my head and physically as well, like not 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.880 just mentally physically, and I found it hard to talk 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.160 to to anybody. But when I was writing my lyrics, 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.600 that's where I was like, that was my therapy. I 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.720 suppose that was me, like I'm in a bad spot 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.360 and I need and I need some help, and that 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.320 help came from me, but it also did come from 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.719 like when I was when like I was showing these 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:51.520 songs to my friends, and when I was showing them 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.280 songs to like my parents and my management, they were like, yo, 0:09:54.440 --> 0:10:00.320 you're good. I was like, uh no, not really. But 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.440 I had to write these songs to understand the emotions 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:08.560 and and what kind of going through a breakup is 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.440 and what kind of it is to kind of say 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.240 to yourself, I need to stand up, and I need 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.840 to make a change, and I need to admit to 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.360 a few things that added that I had done wrong. 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.640 I actually I have several friends going through breakups at 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.160 the moment, unfortunately, do you have any any tips for 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.160 them or anyone listening right now who might be going 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.000 through through a tough time romantically, either either emotionally or 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.040 are there any you know albums that you listen to 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.040 or movies you watched, the books you read. Do you 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.640 have any any advice for for those folks? For me, 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.360 Like if I was to say, if I was speaking 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:49.600 to a friend who was going through through a breakup, 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.720 so everybody who's listening you are now a friend of mine, 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:58.120 I would say, listen, just understand that sometimes these things happen, 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.760 but to go with your heart and to tell the 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.920 truth and listen to what you believe is the truth, 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.760 and usually ninety at the time, you will make the 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.120 right decision. For me, I listened to like anyone house 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.520 is my is the queen for me, and I feel 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:20.680 like she understood what pain is and understood what going 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:25.200 through these weird emotions were and I listened to her 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.480 and she really did like kind of help me understand 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.840 as well. So I would say, just believe in your 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.720 believing yourself and and you will make the right decision. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.439 And sometimes things don't seem so like clear at first, 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.839 but when you take a step out of that situation, yeah, 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.280 nine times out of ten, you will be leaving with 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.640 a smile. And that's all you need to do is 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:49.520 just smile, because you'll be happy. Amen to that. To 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.560 quote one of your songs, oh Man, I mean God 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.160 back to Black that. I listened to that so many 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.199 times when I was going through tough times. I also 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.320 I love you. Eversee High Fidelity or read the book 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.560 that's based on Oh It's It's an awesome It's a 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.080 movie that was based on a book by Nick Hornby. 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.959 I think that the book takes place in Camden record 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.080 store and Campy. He's a guy who runs a record store. 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.480 Oh it's all. The book is amazing. I mean, as 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.280 is often the case, the book is way better than 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.400 the movie. But the movie is awesome too. And it's 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.439 a guy who runs a record story. He's a he's 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.880 a music obsessive. He loves music, and he's going through 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.520 a breakup and him and his buddies in the record 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.480 store always do top five lists like top five greatest 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.760 you know Songs about Death, top five greatest songs about 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:34.079 you know whatever, And he does a top five worst breakups, 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.000 and then he decides he wants to learn and grow 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:37.840 as a person. He gets in touch with all of 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.400 his ex girlfriends to try to see where they're at 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.640 now and what he did wrong and how it's it's 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:46.360 a really cool book. I'm gonna actually I'm gonna type 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.240 it down in my notes right now so I don't forget. 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.920 It's called High Fidelity. It's amazing and the books by 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.199 Nick Hornby. The movie is from like I think it's 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.840 from two thousand with John Cusack. Great movie, great, great movie. 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.160 I'm looking forward to watching that now. I need a 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:03.240 good film to watch. Man watching some crazy things recently. Yeah, 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.720 what have you been watching Just Finish Your Honor? Have 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.160 you watched it? No? No? Yeah, oh my god. It 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.560 is unbelievable. But it really like dives into like a 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.160 lot of what's going on in the world and how 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.320 bad like and how corrupt like police and stuff are. Man, 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.960 you know, So, yeah, it's a good watch. Just finished. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.040 What is it car? I think it's called Surviving death. 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.959 It's about all these people who have near death experiences 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:34.400 and how it's changed them. Yeah, so it's it's it's amazing. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.199 I've seen that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen a few 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.920 of It's it's a series, right, some of the stories 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.640 are crazy, Oh my gosh. And like the kids who 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:43.520 are like born in a three or four years old 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.600 and they have memories of living, you know, sixty seven 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.240 years ago and people's names. I believe in that, man, 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.160 I fully believe in that kind of totally. If you're 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.320 not ready to leave this world, man, you'll you'll come 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:58.280 back into like another soul and you'll believe in that trust. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.720 Do you think you are Did you have a connection 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.480 with a with a pat of self? I would say no, 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.360 I think I'm quite like a new spirit man. But 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.720 then like, but then again, my granddad would say to me, 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.400 like sometimes like you've got you've got a very old 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.840 head on you work in the sense of like I'm 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.320 I'm quite I'm twenty five, but I've always been quite 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.480 mature for my age. But then I am a new 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.640 spirit man as well, like I'm just a bit of 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.200 a I'll go where the wind takes me and I 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.240 don't really like routine. Well, I don't really like routine. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.120 I like being here, there and everywhere and kind of 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.480 being in the mix of of of everything, you know 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.360 what I mean. Yeah, yeah, which has been like to 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:40.680 be fair, like, actually, this whole timing in like lockdown 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.440 and stuff like that has given me time to kind 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.000 of like relax and kind of saying, listen, you need 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.480 to this is what's been going wrong? Is that you're 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.640 too much Ah, you know what I mean. It's kind 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.840 of like just take a break and kind of get 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.200 in tune with what's going on in here and up here, 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.360 and and I've really done that, and I've really kind 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.280 of like learned a lot about myself during that lockdown period. 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:05.640 I was I was like a dog with a bone. 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.520 I was like, give me this, give me that, give 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:08.760 me this. I want it now, I want it now. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.440 But now I'm like, zen it out, met zen it out. 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.280 Have you been writing much music during this time or 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.800 is it really more focused? In word? Since January? I 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.200 was like, right the new year's here, I feel like 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.640 I'm going to start learning how to play I don't 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:25.680 really know how to play a piano, but I but 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.320 I've been learning how to play piano because I want 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:32.800 to play on stage. So I've been learning a lot 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.680 of that kind of stuff. And then whilst learning, it's 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:39.120 kind of opened up a new kind of creative writing space. 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.760 So I have been writing. Man, I have been diving 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.080 into like what's going on in my life. But the 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.480 thing is I'm happy, So I'm writing all these happy songs, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.560 which is what It's great, and like, I'm really excited 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.320 about what's what's next now. But to be honest with you, 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.160 I just can't wait to get to America now. Like 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:57.600 I know that I've got a tour coming up over 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.520 there soon en after soon we can get into the 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.080 country and yeah, my my goal is to crack America 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:09.000 and hopefully fingers crossed we do that. Bring it on, yeah, 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.640 I mean with this album, you can't go wrong. Oh man. 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:13.640 It's so it's so funny because there's somebody bole that 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.480 I talked to and and they say, you know, yeah, 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.800 I knew and I was a little kid that music 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:19.000 was what I was going to do with my life. 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:20.800 I knew it this, I had this, this dream, I 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.280 had this and from from my understanding, you came to 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:27.720 music a little later in in in life, I did. Yeah, 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.320 I actually played a lot of football soccer as you 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.800 would call it, but I played a lot of football too. 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.880 I was like seventeen and then I was going to 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.280 play in America. I got offer the scholarship to go 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.920 to North Carolina and played football over there, but I 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:44.800 kind of fell out of love of it. I was like, 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:46.400 you know what, I don't feel like this is the 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.800 right for me. So then I kind of was like, 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.480 do you know what I'm gonna have. I'm gonna have 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.480 my first bit And then like going out to parties 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.800 and girls got involved, and my head was like I 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:02.000 was like distracted, and I wasn't on football anymore. I 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.359 wasn't on that. I was like, give me the girls 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:09.720 and give me the beer. And then I was at 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.919 a party and there was a karaoke machine and I 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:17.440 jumped on this karaoke machine and I was drunk at 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.840 that time, because I would never have the confidence to 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.200 do this if I wasn't drunk. And I started singing 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.800 and people were like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Where did 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.280 that come from? And I was like what what? And 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.880 then and then I realized that I actually loved singing 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:36.000 and I loved just performing. So then I joined this 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.679 little band in like we call it A levels. It 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.720 was just before you go to UNI. So I was 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.440 in my last year of A levels and I joined 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.600 this little band and we were doing like covers and 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.159 stuff like that. But I was getting the I was 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:51.800 getting the feeling for it. I was getting the bar. 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.560 And then all the boys who I was in this band, 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.560 we were like, we're going to university. And I was like, what, 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.040 you're going to universe. We've got this wicked band in 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.159 no way like what you're doing. And they were like, no, 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.439 we're gonna go do like maths and science and stuff 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.400 like that. I was like, boring, I'm not doing that. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:14.080 So I moved to London, and because I'm from a 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.480 small place called Bedford, which is about hour away from London, 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.160 I moved to London and I actually went to university 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.439 to study acting. So I did acting for three years, 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.720 but in them three years. In my first year of UNI, 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.639 I learned how to play guitar and literally hibernated for 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.159 a year in my room. Learned how to play guitar, 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.359 and I wrote like five songs, five or six songs 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.880 where I was like Okay, cool, these songs I feel 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.840 like quite good. And I was playing him at playing 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.280 him in my room to like people whould come come 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.200 and visit and stuff like that. They were like this, 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.000 these are good man. So I was like, right, cool, 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.200 this is the time. I need to now go and gig. 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.480 So I picked up my guitar, went round the whole 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.600 in London and I was like playing like open mic 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:00.520 nights and I was playing little kind of venues anywhere 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:02.879 I could get a gig. Really, I was busking. I 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.560 was like on the streets just doing like these six songs. 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.560 Because I actually didn't like to learn other people's songs 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.800 because it couldn't because I couldn't play them. The only 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.840 way I could play guitar was the chords that I 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.400