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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, Emily Abody here, You're listening to episode three

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Speaker 2: great feedback after the episode. I posted a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks ago featuring a aman of Athleta, and that's why

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Speaker 2: I know that y'all are going to love this conversation

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Speaker 2: as well. Please welcome to the feed today. Vanessa Garcia Brito.

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Speaker 2: She is the Chief Impact Officer at Nike.

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Speaker 1: Now. She knew that she wanted to make a difference.

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Speaker 2: She started out her career as a human rights lawyer

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Speaker 2: and then pivoted into a non traditional path for someone

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Speaker 2: So many motivating and really inspiring takeaways from this conversation. Now,

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Speaker 2: it so hurdling. Today, I am sitting down with Vanessa

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Speaker 2: How are we doing today.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Emily. I am doing great. I'm so excited to

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Speaker 1: Being in Paris anytime is amazing. It's such a beautiful city,

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Speaker 1: We're obsessed with human potential and sport. We're just really unifying, right,

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Speaker 1: the space that I'm in.

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Speaker 2: Like I mentioned before, you've been at Nike for over

440
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Speaker 2: a decade and you've held a numerous amount of different

441
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Speaker 2: roles here. Arguably, one would say then that you've sort

442
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Speaker 2: of climbed the corporate ladder. Another thing that a lot

443
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Speaker 2: of people might be interested in doing but don't really

444
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Speaker 2: know how to begin. For those that are interested in

445
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Speaker 2: this type of longevity within their career, whether it be

446
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: at one company or multiples, what would you say to

447
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: them when it comes to chasing the next level?

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Speaker 1: Great question. I think first I'd encourage everybody to do

449
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Speaker 1: the self work, really understand what it is that you

450
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Speaker 1: value the most, what success looks like for you, and

451
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Speaker 1: what that means, so that nobody can tell you what

452
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: that is. No one should be defining that for you.

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Speaker 1: And then I'd say, you know, career paths are not linear.

454
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it looks like you're making a lateral move, but

455
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Speaker 1: it's actually moved forward. And any spot that you're in

456
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Speaker 1: is an opportunity to lead. And I hope anyone listening

457
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: to this really hears this. Do not wait for a

458
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Speaker 1: title to start leading. A title is not leadership. A

459
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Speaker 1: title is not leadership. There is no perfect line that

460
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Speaker 1: you're crossing that says, oh, now they're ready. Wherever you are,

461
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Speaker 1: you're ready now. You have to do the internal work

462
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Speaker 1: and really understand who you are, because otherwise you might

463
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Speaker 1: not recognize success when it comes.

464
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Speaker 2: A title is not leadership. You are not someone who

465
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Speaker 2: regularly speaks in front of people. It's very clear. I

466
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Speaker 2: love that sentiment, and I think it's really value that

467
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: you can start wherever you are, right now, right. You

468
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Speaker 2: don't need to wait for some arbitrary moment to realize

469
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Speaker 2: that you are ready to meet the moment. When you

470
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Speaker 2: look at yourself as a leader, what characteristics would you

471
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Speaker 2: say really able you to be at the forefront and

472
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Speaker 2: to be the best leader that you can be.

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Speaker 1: I lead from a place of love, and love for

474
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Speaker 1: me is the strongest, most regenerate emotion that exists. What

475
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you do for love? What wouldn't you do for

476
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Speaker 1: those that you love? And I think that really helps

477
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Speaker 1: me stay centered. It makes my objectives and values really clear.

478
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Speaker 1: I talk at nauseum about being people centered and leading

479
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: people first. It's easy and really hard because love and

480
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Speaker 1: being people centered means that you have to be really

481
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Speaker 1: candid and honest. And also sometimes it takes longer, but

482
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Speaker 1: sometimes the longer makes things go faster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you say leading people centered, what do you

484
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Speaker 2: mean by that?

485
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Speaker 3: For someone who might not understand?

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Speaker 1: Sure, it means that you know in every I'm really

487
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Speaker 1: intention about how I connect with everybody, and I think

488
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Speaker 1: it's really important to start in your own backyard. So

489
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Speaker 1: and I'll go even further than that. I adore my family,

490
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Speaker 1: so I am really intentional and making sure that they

491
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Speaker 1: feel that they're adored. I love my team, and I'm

492
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Speaker 1: really intentional about making sure that they feel seen and heard.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean we always agree. It actually means that

494
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Speaker 1: we can disagree and still preserve the relationship. And it

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Speaker 1: also means that I'm trying to lift people up even

496
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Speaker 1: as I'm rising, and that we have the hard conversations,

497
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Speaker 1: because I think that that's probably one of the most

498
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Speaker 1: loving things that you can do with somebody, is to

499
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Speaker 1: just be direct and honest and caring. And often people

500
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Speaker 1: think those are mutual least lusive, but they're not right.

501
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: And I think there's something to be said about being

502
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: able to be firm but also kind and also see

503
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 2: people as who they are and value everything that they

504
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Speaker 2: bring to the table. I appreciate the sentiment that you

505
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Speaker 2: said that it might not be the fastest way to

506
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Speaker 2: be a people first leader, but if you know that

507
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: that is aligned with your values, then you're going to

508
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: be execuing in a way that not only feels good

509
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 2: for you but then reflects positively moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, I want.

511
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Speaker 2: To talk a little bit about that concept of feeling

512
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Speaker 2: and how it is that you want to feel in

513
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Speaker 2: your life. Would you say that with the answer of

514
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: how do you want to feel in your life, you

515
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Speaker 2: are execuing in a way that gets you to that goal.

516
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Speaker 3: How do you want to feel?

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Speaker 1: Ah? I love that question. So you know, I've had

518
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: a lot of loss in my life in the earlier

519
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: part of my life, and the most honorable thing I

520
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: can do for those that I've lost is to really

521
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: live my life to the fullest. And that's how I

522
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: want to live. I want to make sure that I

523
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: am not wasting any second of my life. So you know,

524
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Speaker 1: I often say I live my life with urgency, and

525
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Speaker 1: I live with it respectfully, like it is such a

526
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: privilege to be living and breathing and walking, and the

527
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: things that we get to do are just incredible. So

528
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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I'm living my life

529
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Speaker 1: to its fullest and with great intention.

530
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Speaker 2: Living in purpose on purpose can be challenging when there

531
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: is so much going on. We've already talked about you

532
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: being at the front of the room for so many

533
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Speaker 2: big moments. Your career is such a big part of

534
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: your life, while also having this deep love and passion

535
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Speaker 2: for your family and your team.

536
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Speaker 1: How do you keep it balanced?

537
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Speaker 2: How do you keep it grounded so that you can

538
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Speaker 2: act in a way that you're saying is so important

539
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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm pretty clear, so my purpose has not changed.

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Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to be human right lawyer when

542
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Speaker 1: I was seven. I probably want to be wild, you know,

543
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: human rights lawyer when I'm seventy. I think being open

544
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: to that, it looks differently. You know, I really thought

545
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: I would be a lawyer in a law firm. Actually

546
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: I did not think I would be at a law firm,

547
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: but I did think that I would be within that

548
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: role of lawyer for my entire life. And it turns

549
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: out that there are so many ways to be an advocate,

550
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: and frankly, I could be in a completely different role

551
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: with a completely different title. And I promised you that

552
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: I would still be championing girls and women and underrepresented voices.

553
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: My purpose is so clear in that, And you know,

554
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Speaker 1: I'd go back to what we were talking about earlier

555
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: as well. I think the mind, body spirit connection is

556
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: really important. So I you know, I intend and I

557
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: really hope to meddle in my eighties in distance running.

558
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: So I've got to take care of the body. Now. Yeah,

559
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm you know, working the muscle, the mind muscle, and

560
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: the heart muscle. And there is always always time to

561
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: laugh and dance. And if you're not enjoying it, then

562
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Speaker 1: what is the point?

563
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what would you say brings you in the most joy?

564
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Speaker 3: These days? Oh?

565
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Speaker 1: My goodness, so many things bring me joy right now.

566
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Speaker 1: We've got some really great momentum in the work that

567
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: we're doing and seeing more girls and kids playing. And

568
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Speaker 1: you know, you have not lived until you have seen

569
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Speaker 1: a child run their first mile. Oh you just haven't

570
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: the joy on their faces. I can't even I can't

571
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: fully capture it in words. And if you've ever told

572
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Speaker 1: a child they are an athlete and their eyes light

573
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Speaker 1: up and they see you seeing them, I mean, it

574
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Speaker 1: gives me joy all the time.

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Speaker 3: Were you athletic as a kid?

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Speaker 1: Yes and no. It's a mixed answer. So one my mom,

577
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Speaker 1: I would say, my mom was the first insurance athlete

578
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: I ever met. She always had near minimum of three

579
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: jobs and I just don't know how she was doing

580
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: it all. And on Saturday mornings it was dancing time.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: She would ask us what kind of week we had,

583
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Speaker 1: and depending on the kind of week we had, that

584
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: would define the kind of dancing that was going to

585
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: be happening. And I want you pictures because there's a

586
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: teeny teeny, tiny tiny apartment, so we'd have to move

587
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: the sofa out of the way and then we would

588
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: get our jam on. And it was so helpful to

589
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: learn early on that you could process your emotion and

590
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: your experiences through your body and to have that sense

591
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Speaker 1: of agency. Also, like I still find wonder in it

592
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Speaker 1: that you can go from having whatever kind of week

593
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Speaker 1: you had to processing it and shifting it, you know,

594
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: all on your own without anything else. Just that movement

595
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: is is so important. She also knew that it was

596
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: really important to have us engaged in activity, so we

597
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: did all sorts of things and then I fell in love.

598
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Speaker 1: And I'm very grateful to my first cross country coach.

599
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Speaker 1: So in high school, I really that's you know, started

600
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Speaker 1: running and never stopped.

601
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Speaker 3: Yeah, started running and never stopped.

602
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Speaker 2: How have you integrated that love for movement into your

603
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: family these days, because that's such a special and like

604
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: signature tradition that you had dancing in the apartment and

605
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Speaker 2: moving the couch so.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons I fell in love with my

607
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: husband is because he is a dancer. The man has

608
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Speaker 1: moves on the dance floor.

609
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Speaker 2: He's like going to take this clip and be like,

610
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: just when you think I have it recorded, yeah?

611
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: Recorded?

612
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so we still do that. We still go

613
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Speaker 1: out and we go dancing. We're also really active. I

614
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: mean I was sharing with some of the team earlier.

615
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Speaker 1: You know, we walked fourteen miles across Powis on Saturday.

616
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Speaker 1: We were celebrating our twenty third anniversary, and he had

617
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: planned it because that's that was just like a love letter.

618
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, being able to move together is so special something

619
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Speaker 2: I one day hope to share with my future life partner.

620
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Speaker 3: We can move as well.

621
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Speaker 2: Love. I love that and I love someone that knows

622
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: that that is a part of your love language. Right,

623
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: How special is it that you get to share that

624
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: together and then be able not just to enjoy that

625
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: time together, but then move physically and emotionally through whatever

626
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: it is that you're working through.

627
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so important, you know. There are there are

628
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: those wonderful moms and dads out there who prep and

629
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Speaker 1: take their kids to all of their sporting events. I

630
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: have the equivalent in my husband who preps. You know,

631
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: he's like kind of the advanced team. He scopes out

632
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: where the best place to stay, where the carbowloading was

633
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: going to happen. He's a very great partner in that too.

634
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: Even he might not be running the miles, but he'll

635
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: be he'll he'll be taking in the calories and then

636
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: you know he's there at the finish line, you know,

637
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: ready for to click into recovery time.

638
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Speaker 3: What a saint? What a saint?

639
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: You beyond training actually like an athlete for your active pursuits.

640
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: You're quoted in twenty nineteen telling an audience that I

641
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: train for my job like an athlete. Talk to me

642
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: about that sentiment. What does that mean to you? What

643
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: does training for your job like an athlete entail?

644
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna talk to you like a runner, right

645
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: because it's you know, I'm absolutely running an ultra here, right.

646
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: I've got we've got big goals. We want to you know,

647
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: create the future of your sport. We want to increase

648
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: girl participation by fifty percent. Like we've got big things

649
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: that were going after and then we break that down

650
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:46,959
Speaker 1: into you know, sprints, recovery runs, weight training, right, there's

651
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: no you can't just do the linear running forward. I

652
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: think one of the most misunderstood things about running is

653
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: that all you do is run, But actually you have

654
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: to work so many other parts of your body so

655
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: that you can do that enjoyable part. That's the same

656
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: is true for your career and certainly for the work

657
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: that I do. I've got a long term vision, really

658
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Speaker 1: ambitious goals, and every single day we want a path

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Speaker 1: where we're moving forward. The pace the pace is always forward, forward,

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Speaker 1: and we're trying to do this by bringing in everybody

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Speaker 1: to be as inclusive as possible in the experience. So

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Speaker 1: you've got to train the mind, you've got to train

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Speaker 1: the spirit again the body, keep it fun, celebrate the wins,

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Speaker 1: learn from the mistakes, be okay with it. We're trying

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Speaker 1: to do something big here, so it's okay. It's not

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Speaker 1: going to be perfect all the time, but it is

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Speaker 1: going to be forward. Yeah, as much as possible, oword

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Speaker 1: as much as possible.

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Speaker 2: What I'm hearing you say is the importance of breaking

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Speaker 2: up these lofty, big, scary, hairy, audacious goals into smaller

671
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Speaker 2: things that might feel a little bit more doable in

672
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Speaker 2: the short term. When it comes to this bigger, broad

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Speaker 2: goal of creating more opportunity for young girls and women

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Speaker 2: in sport, increasing that participation by fifty percent, What does

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Speaker 2: a smaller goal even look like?

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Speaker 1: Now we're measuring this every year, right So one of

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Speaker 1: the things that actually that I love that we do

678
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Speaker 1: is we set five year goals and right now we're

679
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Speaker 1: actually going into the last year of our last five

680
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Speaker 1: year we'll call it our far year targets, and so

681
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Speaker 1: we measure it every year. Are we getting closer? If not, why,

682
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Speaker 1: what are we learning from it? Where are the breakthroughs?

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Speaker 1: Is it possible to accelerate in some areas where we

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Speaker 1: just wrong? You know, we'll see a hypothesis not what

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Speaker 1: we were expecting. Can we pivot? What should we do

686
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Speaker 1: about that? So we take the big audacious goal, we

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Speaker 1: break it down into five year increments, and from that

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Speaker 1: we break them into one year increments, and from that

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Speaker 1: we break them down into a quarter and on a

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Speaker 1: regular basis, we're measuring to see, you know, are we

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Speaker 1: making progress? And if yes, what are relearning? And if not,

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Speaker 1: what are relearning? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think there can be some difficulty in recognizing where

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Speaker 2: maybe some people would see that you've quote unquote failed.

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Speaker 2: But the way that you speak about this is that

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Speaker 2: there is actually quite a lot of opportunity within a failure,

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Speaker 2: or perhaps within the opportunity to pivot for someone who's

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Speaker 2: trying to get that under their wings, right, for someone

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Speaker 2: that is like, oh, but I just can't get over

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Speaker 2: the hurdle. I feel so much disappointment. I am frustrated

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Speaker 2: that this isn't going as I had hoped. Talk to

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Speaker 2: me about the power of the pivot. Talk to me

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Speaker 2: about what you do when things aren't going as you

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Speaker 2: hoped that they would.

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Speaker 1: One You have to process it, right. I don't I

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Speaker 1: believe in having candid conversations with your team, but I

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Speaker 1: also believe in having candid conversations with yourself, right, and

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Speaker 1: you know, you know what you know, and you just

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Speaker 1: have to be honest with yourself.

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Speaker 3: Think.

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Speaker 1: Think. That's why it's so important to decide what success

712
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Speaker 1: looks like for you. You know, you can continue down

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Speaker 1: that path, but for what purpose? And if you really

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Speaker 1: want to move forward, then you take the learnings. Then

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Speaker 1: you have to you know, what can you extract from that?

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Speaker 1: And then you you know, never give your agency away. Right.

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Speaker 1: You get to decide how long you sit in that,

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Speaker 1: But you also get to decide how quickly you can

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Speaker 1: move from that, And it all depends on what's more

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Speaker 1: important for you. And sometimes you know there is a

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Speaker 1: question like is it more important for you to be

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Speaker 1: right or is it more important for you to move forward?

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Speaker 1: And sometimes they're not mutually exclusive, but sometimes they are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the value of sitting in it, although it's such

725
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Speaker 2: an uncomfortable place to be when something doesn't go as

726
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Speaker 2: you'd hoped, there is such an opportunity And I keep

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Speaker 2: coming back to that word because it's important, Such an

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Speaker 2: opportunity in allowing yourself to feel, Because when you don't

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Speaker 2: feel and you don't acknowledge where it is that you are,

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Speaker 2: then you can't go after whatever it is that you

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Speaker 2: want next. You have to sit in that discomfort so

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Speaker 2: that you can then take those learnings and move forward.

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Speaker 2: And that in itself is a really beautiful Again, that

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Speaker 2: word opportunity. If you look back on your last decade

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Speaker 2: at Nike and you think about some of these high

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Speaker 2: highs and some of perhaps maybe the lo lows, has

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Speaker 2: there been a particular learning that you revisit time and

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Speaker 2: time again that you think of, Okay, maybe this didn't

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Speaker 2: go how I wanted in the moment, but it has

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Speaker 2: now become the benchmark for how I think about some

741
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Speaker 2: of these disappointments as they happen in real time.

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Speaker 1: So as I've got two parts to that answer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: One is I feel like every year, every day at

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Speaker 1: Nike has been better than my last, and the future

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Speaker 1: Vanessa is telling past Vanessa that all the time. The

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Speaker 1: second is, you should not only sit in process with

747
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Speaker 1: your emotion, you should also continuously fuel and nurture your imagination.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I think, you know, I am allergic to boxes,

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Speaker 1: and if you look back in my career, I think,

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Speaker 1: I hope that's what some people will say, like I

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Speaker 1: will not be put in a box or be stifled

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Speaker 1: in whatever, you know somebody else's thought that I might

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Speaker 1: be happy in. But I have learned that you can

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Speaker 1: help people play imagination with you, and if you can

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Speaker 1: see it yourself and then help others see it, it

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Speaker 1: can go a really long way. And I guess I'll

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Speaker 1: add a third, which is, you know, never negotiate against yourself.

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Speaker 1: I think oftentimes before we've even gotten the idea out,

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Speaker 1: we have eight hundred bazillion reasons internally that are like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know of this. What if? What if? What if?

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Speaker 1: What if? I read a book many, many years ago

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Speaker 1: and had a mentor for a moment, Peter Block, who

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Speaker 1: wrote a book called The Answer to How is Yes.

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Speaker 3: The answer to how is yes?

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Speaker 1: The answer to how is yes. You almost don't have

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Speaker 1: to go further if you start from that premise, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: things you can do.

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Speaker 2: I've been really thinking about that concept of what if lately,

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Speaker 2: and I can't attribute it to anything specifically, but I

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Speaker 2: feel as though, in some cases, maybe because I've been

771
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Speaker 2: so go go go over the last couple of months,

772
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Speaker 2: that my anxiety has been rearing its head a little

773
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Speaker 2: bit more than usual. And something that's been really resonant

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Speaker 2: with me lately is that there's so much value in

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Speaker 2: getting over the hump of asking what if this goes wrong?

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Speaker 2: Or what if this goes wrong? And just being like,

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Speaker 2: but what if it goes right? Like why can't we

778
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Speaker 2: just sit and think about the good and hypothesize how

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Speaker 2: it could be if one day goes even better than

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Speaker 2: you had hoped or even better than you imagined, instead

781
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Speaker 2: of the opposite, right, Because sitting there and thinking about

782
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: the opposite, well you're just wasting your time. And I

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Speaker 2: recognize that that's only something that you can get to,

784
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: a conclusion that you can get to if you allow

785
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Speaker 2: yourself to kind of do the inverse right. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: I've been dealing with a lot of anxiety lately, and

787
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Speaker 2: it's happening for me. Yes, I've experienced negative self talk

788
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Speaker 2: and now I know what happens when I flip it

789
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Speaker 2: the other way. And so it is these moments of

790
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: these quote unquote failures that teach us how to do

791
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Speaker 2: something in maybe a way that could be better for us,

792
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: that could serve us more so in the long haul. Now,

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Speaker 2: like I said, often you are at the front of

794
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: the room in many really exciting scenarios. But when you

795
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Speaker 2: are alone and you look in the mirror, Vanessa, what

796
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Speaker 2: is it that you see looking back at you?

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Speaker 1: I you know, funny you should ask? Funny should ask?

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Speaker 1: Because I do. Every morning I make a good look

799
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Speaker 1: in the mirror and I say, you are possible, and

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Speaker 1: it is happening. Let's go.

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Speaker 3: I joke.

802
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Speaker 1: I don't need an alarm clock to wake up. I'm

803
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: so excited to get the day going because we've got

804
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: things to do. And every night I look in the mirror,

805
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: and I say, Okay, it can be done, and let

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Speaker 1: it go. And Emily, I would say to you, whether

807
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: you stop or keep going, there is no wrong answer,

808
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: there's only your answer.

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Speaker 3: Let it go.

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Speaker 2: That's so powerful, the idea of starting and bookending your

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Speaker 2: day both with the moment of self talk and also

812
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 2: recognition for what is I think that's really that's really

813
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: really special, beyond the let's call them affirmations. Maybe that

814
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: you say to yourself, who do you see looking in

815
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Speaker 2: the mirror?

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Speaker 1: I see you know. When I look in the mirror,

817
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm looking. I see my eyes right, So I don't

818
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: really I don't focus on particular features. So I'm really

819
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Speaker 1: looking into the desire of someone who does not want

820
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Speaker 1: to waste their life.

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Speaker 2: I love that you mentioned earlier and thank you for

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Speaker 2: sharing this. That you experienced a lot of loss early

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Speaker 2: on in your life. As we wind down here right now,

824
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Speaker 2: you have an opportunity to offer yourself a piece of advice,

825
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: perhaps during those hurdle moments navigating what it felt like

826
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Speaker 2: to go through these losses. When you look back at

827
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Speaker 2: that time, knowing what you know now, what advice would

828
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Speaker 2: you offer to your younger self life is for living.

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Speaker 2: Life is for living. I'm so happy that we were

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Speaker 2: able to do this. This was so special. For those

831
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 2: that might not follow along with you just yet, where

832
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Speaker 2: can they keep up with you?

833
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Speaker 3: Follow along?

834
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Speaker 1: I keep up with what Nike's got going on, give

835
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Speaker 1: me the details. Well, for me, you're probably going to

836
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Speaker 1: find me mostly on LinkedIn. You know, it's part of

837
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: our mind, body, spirit space. And also you know, you

838
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: can go to Nike dot com for slash Purpose and

839
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Speaker 1: you can find a lot of the work that we

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Speaker 1: do there.

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00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: I love the opportunity whenever I sit down with someone

842
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: that is at the level that you're at, at the

843
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: company that is always there, like you can find me

844
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: on LinkedIn.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yep, I'm there. I'm following along.

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Speaker 2: I'm loving everything that you're doing. I'm over at Emily

847
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: a Body and at Hurdle Podcasts. Another Hurdle conquered. Catch

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Speaker 2: you guys next time.