WEBVTT - How Foot Binding Worked

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to you Stuff you should Know from house Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>way right now. Kristen Bell's locking the doors. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>What started out is small fascination with their show and tragedy,

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous made for TV movie, and anyway, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to say congratulations. Yeah, that's nice if you chuck sure,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh I got no congratulations over here. Yeah, interesting that

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<v Speaker 1>I tied that to this podcast on like female torture essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think there's something to that? Well, we live

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<v Speaker 1>in a world now where we don't have to worry

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<v Speaker 1>about although I think they had a son where any

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<v Speaker 1>little baby's feet being binded, I guess not babies, but

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<v Speaker 1>four or five year olds were bound. Yeah, yeah, bound, binded, bound, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because the feet were bound? Yes, yes, yeah. Um, do

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<v Speaker 1>you think we should explain to everybody what we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about foot binding? Yeah? I'm glad you. Um, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulated Kristen Bell because I didn't really have much of

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<v Speaker 1>an intro for this one. Um, because it's just so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we should just kind of dive right in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating and horrible and like oddly impactful and areas I

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<v Speaker 1>never would have considered. Yeah, so we should say that

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of about a thousand years, from roughly

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<v Speaker 1>nine seventy until about the nineteen fifties, like almost on

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<v Speaker 1>the dot a thousand years, about three billion women in

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<v Speaker 1>China um bound their feet to basically train them to

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<v Speaker 1>become small and pointy in a really bizarre custom that

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of came out of nowhere and stuck around

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<v Speaker 1>again for about a thousand years, voluntarily deforming their feet, well,

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<v Speaker 1>at the very least their mothers and grandmothers voluntarily deformed

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<v Speaker 1>their feet for them. Yeah, it's a very good point actually, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but at some point they had to take over, and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess then it became voluntary. Well sure, well we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to all that, okay, spoilers. So basically this was

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<v Speaker 1>purposeful deformation of the human foot, the human female foot,

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<v Speaker 1>in order to attract men. There was a standard of

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<v Speaker 1>beauty of bound foot. Um, and we'll we'll describe it

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<v Speaker 1>in a minute. But um, the idea, the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>kind of came from they think about, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>a d in the court of an emperor named Lee

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<v Speaker 1>You and Lee you had a favorite girlfriend, ballerina girl. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently he saw her dancing once on a golden

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<v Speaker 1>lotus pedestal because everything was made of gold back then

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<v Speaker 1>in China, and um, she had her feet kind of

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped up, I guess, like a ballerina or something. And

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<v Speaker 1>he apparently got very very excited at this, visibly excited,

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<v Speaker 1>so much so that um, the other ladies of the

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<v Speaker 1>court noticed this. Did you say visibly excited? Visibly excited? Um, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know what I mean, I would imagine, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's been dead a thousand years like all all

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<v Speaker 1>slander and defamations, like out the window. It's like it

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<v Speaker 1>was a rocking time. It's the Southern Tank Dynasty. It

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<v Speaker 1>was you never know gonna happen. Yeah, it made Caligula

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<v Speaker 1>look like watching it as an adult, yeah boring. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So um so really the ly you was very much

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<v Speaker 1>entranced by this enough that other women in the court

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<v Speaker 1>noticed it and they started wrapping their feet as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just kind of took off from there, and

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<v Speaker 1>it took a weird turn pretty early on. Uh what

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<v Speaker 1>was the turn? Well, the turn is originally apparently the

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<v Speaker 1>first the woman who started this whole thing just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of wrapped her feet in bandages to too. I guess, Oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I see what you mean that turn. It's a literal turn. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it became a status thing at first because wealthy women

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<v Speaker 1>did it, and um then it sort of spread and

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<v Speaker 1>and and it also would end up preventing women from

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<v Speaker 1>doing like manual labor. Well, not prevent but it made

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<v Speaker 1>it tougher. So it was sort of a status thing

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<v Speaker 1>that meant like, if you had the bound feetunt out

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<v Speaker 1>they're working in the fields, I don't even have to

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<v Speaker 1>throw home. But then it spread throughout China and only

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<v Speaker 1>a few places. Actually it was more than this article

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<v Speaker 1>led on and did some more research on that. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw like where fifty six of the women ended up

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<v Speaker 1>binding their feet in China, and this says like except

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<v Speaker 1>in these provinces. Well, I think they were saying about

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<v Speaker 1>close to a of the higher classes. But yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>was so maybe about half of the Chinese population total. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. So the strange turn it took though,

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<v Speaker 1>was to go from simply wrapping their feet to actually

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<v Speaker 1>the binding process, which is malforming your feet at a

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<v Speaker 1>young age like four to seven years old for life,

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<v Speaker 1>to where when your shoe was off, it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>you're wearing your foot looks like a high heel. You're disfigured. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't walk very well. Um, you can't again, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't work in the fields. Um, and your your foot

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<v Speaker 1>has been brought to a point basically that's ideally three

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<v Speaker 1>inches long, three inches like that's it, and it's pointed.

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<v Speaker 1>And you do this by training your foot and your

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<v Speaker 1>bones two deform. Yeah. And when I say it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like a high heel, like your foot looks like a

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<v Speaker 1>shoe like the heel is separate from the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the foot, and a big block that looks like the

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<v Speaker 1>heel of a shoe, and the foot is permanently arched

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<v Speaker 1>and pointy, and the toes are cold under and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just if you look at pictures to this, it's horrific looking. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was so um entrenched in the Chinese culture

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<v Speaker 1>that when it was outlawed for I guess the first

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<v Speaker 1>time in nine um, it continued on and it took

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<v Speaker 1>the Communists taking over to really get rid of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and footbinding went the way of disco. Um by just

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<v Speaker 1>practical necessity. Um. Women had to work in the field

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<v Speaker 1>and if you had bound feet, well you're in big trouble. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the end of it. Should we talk about the end now?

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<v Speaker 1>Should we do it later? Let's do it now? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just mess with the end of that. There were

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of factors at play. One was Western missionaries

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<v Speaker 1>came over there for the first time and said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is really not what the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the world is doing, and it doesn't make you look

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<v Speaker 1>good by the way, uh, social Darwinists got on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're like, yeah, you know what, we're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to survive as a country because like half of our

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<v Speaker 1>population is hobbled. Essentially, it's like this is gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>really bad for business one day. And so they mounted

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<v Speaker 1>like a real campaign, like an education campaign, which is

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<v Speaker 1>really unusual back then. And uh, they had three phases

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<v Speaker 1>to it. One was that it made you look bad

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<v Speaker 1>and look strange to the rest of the world too.

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<v Speaker 1>That taught the advantages of having normal feat like walking

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<v Speaker 1>without pain. And then they formed um natural foot societies

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<v Speaker 1>where people would pledge not to do this to their

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<v Speaker 1>matters or allow their daughter to marry a son, or

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<v Speaker 1>or allow their son to marry a girl who had

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<v Speaker 1>bound feet, because that was one of the big deals.

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<v Speaker 1>If you didn't have bound feet, then guys would just

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<v Speaker 1>pass you over, right. That's what it took to finally

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<v Speaker 1>like eradicated. When was that, Uh, that was was that

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<v Speaker 1>after the nineteen twelve outlaw or the no it was

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<v Speaker 1>leading up to that l was formally outlawed. They had

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<v Speaker 1>government inspectors that would come around and make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't binding feet any longer, and they would like

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<v Speaker 1>hide girls that they still wanted to do. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like really oppressive and weird because that campaign that you

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<v Speaker 1>just described is basically point for point trying to undo

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand years of custom like if you had unbound feet,

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<v Speaker 1>like natural feet, you were considered a freak. They were ugly,

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<v Speaker 1>there was something wrong with you. And even more to

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<v Speaker 1>the point, uh, no man would marry you. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>bound feet were so idolized in Chinese culture. Um that

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<v Speaker 1>if you were just totally plain or even horrendously ugly

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<v Speaker 1>in every other way. But I really knock out bound

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<v Speaker 1>feet like that was enough for you. You were butterfly.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna do pretty good. That's hilarious. Um yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's hard to believe now, but when you see

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<v Speaker 1>these photos in like the X rays and stuff, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like total deformation. So let's talk about this. There's

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<v Speaker 1>there's an actual process, fairly straightforward, although extremely painful and dangerous. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>If you, like I think you said, you you grabbed

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<v Speaker 1>like your four year old daughter, you say, it's prepare

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<v Speaker 1>for a lifetime of pain and suffering right starting now.

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<v Speaker 1>And you take your feet and you soak them in

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<v Speaker 1>hot water for a few hours in animal blood too.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, what did that do? The same thing? Softened

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<v Speaker 1>It softened you up Okay, so like that was the

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<v Speaker 1>whole purposes of the soaking was to soften the skin,

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<v Speaker 1>make it more pliable, and I imagine the muscles too. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then after the soaking you would scrape away any

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<v Speaker 1>dead skin. And then after that their toenails were clipped,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, super short, so they're still kids. Are like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really like the toneail clipping part, but the

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<v Speaker 1>foot soak more than makes up for it. Um, And

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<v Speaker 1>boy do I really It turns out I like animal blood,

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<v Speaker 1>so can my feet in it? And then um, the

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<v Speaker 1>the either their mom or maybe a learned woman in

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<v Speaker 1>the village would say all right, now we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>start bending your foot. Who imagine these ladies too. If

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<v Speaker 1>they were the village lady that did it, they probably

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<v Speaker 1>didn't take much guph No, probably not. You know, they

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<v Speaker 1>probably mess around. Imagine they came in there and just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of took care of business like they've heard it

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<v Speaker 1>all before. Is grizzly and grotesque or procedure. It's actually

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<v Speaker 1>a delicate procedure too, because if if you can wrap

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<v Speaker 1>your mind around less, there's ways to do it wrong

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<v Speaker 1>that can lead to problems. There's actual risk factors. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the one other thing I left out was a sprinkle

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<v Speaker 1>talc in there to keep it from perspiring, because you

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<v Speaker 1>want it to be dry, right, And then they start

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<v Speaker 1>bending things right, yeah, Well, then the cotton comes out,

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<v Speaker 1>the bandages about two inches wide, about ten feet long,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would soak those in the hot water and

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<v Speaker 1>blood and herbs as well, because they want those to

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<v Speaker 1>shrink up. It's all about shrinking. They want those to

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<v Speaker 1>shrink up after they are applied to the feet. Um

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<v Speaker 1>and then the old lady comes up and she folds

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<v Speaker 1>the little four toes that were just clipped, not the

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<v Speaker 1>big toe under as far as she can, and then

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<v Speaker 1>starts to do little figure eights to keep them in place.

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<v Speaker 1>You leave the big toe exposed, yes, and you leave

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<v Speaker 1>the big toe exposed and the heel exposed, and you

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<v Speaker 1>just sense those little front toes under. They break the toes,

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<v Speaker 1>It breaks the foot bones. It sounds horrific because it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And it brings the heel closer towards the ball of

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<v Speaker 1>the foot. So the point of your feet is now

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<v Speaker 1>your big toe. The slightly wider part behind it is

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<v Speaker 1>the ball of your foot, and then behind that is

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<v Speaker 1>your heel. And underneath it all are your four poor,

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<v Speaker 1>poor little toes. And the top of your foot is

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<v Speaker 1>that this really unreasonable, odd looking arch, because that's like

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<v Speaker 1>you're in a high heel. Yeah. By making it arched,

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<v Speaker 1>you're bringing your allowing that distance that was once between

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<v Speaker 1>the ball of the foot and the heel to go

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<v Speaker 1>up rather than between the two, you're bringing them together.

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<v Speaker 1>And so all this has just been done to a

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<v Speaker 1>four year old four years probably crying in pain. And

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<v Speaker 1>after you've finished with the bandages, um, the old lady

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<v Speaker 1>or the mom would probably sew them because, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you're dealing with a four year old, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>try to get these things off. Um. And then they

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<v Speaker 1>say all right, start walking. Yeah, they put a little

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<v Speaker 1>shoe on there, and that the first steps with these things,

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<v Speaker 1>and imagine many steps after order excruciatingly painful. Yeah you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, Um, here's the here's the craziest part. If

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<v Speaker 1>you ask me, you do this every day for years, well,

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<v Speaker 1>every couple of days, okay, every day or every other

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<v Speaker 1>day is what I've kind of diminish it for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years. It takes a couple of a few

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<v Speaker 1>years for these things to be fully deformed into what

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<v Speaker 1>are called the lotus petals or new moons or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a bandage. You know, you you unbind and

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<v Speaker 1>they actually wouldn't like need the broken foot, keep it

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<v Speaker 1>broken and uh dry it all out real good because infection,

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<v Speaker 1>like the toes would cut into the foot if they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't cliped properly. So infection and gang green that's too

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<v Speaker 1>tight all big threats to like losing their feet, right,

0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.280
<v Speaker 1>because if you wrap, if you wrap them too tight,

0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.800
<v Speaker 1>they can become gangrenous because you get gang green, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a massive loss of dead tissue um due to

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<v Speaker 1>to poor circulation UM. So the foot could just fall off.

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<v Speaker 1>And like you're saying, if you don't clip the toe nails, chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>like you have to do that every day or every

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<v Speaker 1>time you you unwrap and then wrap your feet. And

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<v Speaker 1>even worse than that, if you didn't wrap them pretty

0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:07.280
<v Speaker 1>quickly after you bathed them every day or the other day, um,

0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.200
<v Speaker 1>they could start to lose their shape, which apparently was

0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:15.160
<v Speaker 1>as painful as the initial footbinding procedure. Like once your

0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.640
<v Speaker 1>foot has started to take shape, if you wanted to say,

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<v Speaker 1>now you know, I don't want to do this anymore.

0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.120
<v Speaker 1>It's just as painful for the foot to undo itself

0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:27.000
<v Speaker 1>because it's already like malformed. But there was like you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think that. I think once once this happened to

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<v Speaker 1>you from your mom or whatever, and you grew a

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<v Speaker 1>little older and you started to take over for yourself

0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.520
<v Speaker 1>and you were bathing and wrapping your own feet every

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<v Speaker 1>other day. You understood why you were doing this because

0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:47.040
<v Speaker 1>footbinding was so important that you could be just completely

0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.600
<v Speaker 1>poverty stricken and some rich dude would still be like,

0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:54.360
<v Speaker 1>I like your feet a lot, and yeah, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>even breathe right now because your feet are so deformed,

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<v Speaker 1>um that I want to marry you. It's so weird. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's uh and beyond being wrong and gross and

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<v Speaker 1>oppressive and all that stuff, it was just so odd

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<v Speaker 1>to me that that was like a turn on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and man, it was a turn on. Like footbinding was

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<v Speaker 1>highly highly erotic. That's like nice feet, trust me, I

0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:25.560
<v Speaker 1>get that. But the deformed, uh, I just don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is pretty much a national foot fetish um

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<v Speaker 1>and it was nationalized, it was cultural, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinarily widespread, Like we said, about three billion women over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of a thousand years UM bound their feet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it had a lot of odd effects side effects

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<v Speaker 1>that went along with it. Um, when three billion people

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<v Speaker 1>do something that hobbles them, there are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>some weird repercussions. Yeah that you don't think about. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing it definitely did was it foster dominance over

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<v Speaker 1>women because of the simple fact that a woman's being beaten,

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<v Speaker 1>she can't run away. Um. A woman can't travel very

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<v Speaker 1>far period, so they're going to hang around their village,

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<v Speaker 1>in their house, and so it just you know, it's

0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.800
<v Speaker 1>like hobbling somebody all of a sudden, they can't get

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<v Speaker 1>around as well, so they're just dependent on you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and they really aren't traveling much. Not a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>traveling going on in your future bound um. And then

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<v Speaker 1>also the fact that you they have women with bound

0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:31.720
<v Speaker 1>feet had trouble walking UM meant that the architecture of

0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.720
<v Speaker 1>China kind of was created to help this out. Like

0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.800
<v Speaker 1>they had to lean on windows or walls. I mean,

0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.600
<v Speaker 1>so buildings were built close together so the average woman

0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.600
<v Speaker 1>could could you know, lean on a wall whilst she

0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:47.520
<v Speaker 1>was walking. Yeah, and there weren't a lot of six

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<v Speaker 1>story walk ups and in ancient China man that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been cruel. Everything was one story as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>so it Yeah, it had a weird impact on the

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<v Speaker 1>architecture and uh what else. Colonization, Yeah, that was a

0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.879
<v Speaker 1>really big one that Yeah. Um, you know, most people

0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.800
<v Speaker 1>realize that China didn't do a lot of exploring, um,

0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.760
<v Speaker 1>while the rest of the world was. It just kind

0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.840
<v Speaker 1>of isolated itself and shut itself off. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the um reasons given for that was that the women

0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:22.080
<v Speaker 1>were foot bound and they couldn't travel like um, women

0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:26.680
<v Speaker 1>in other countries who could walk normally did um. So

0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.240
<v Speaker 1>with the Chinese women unable to travel, and um, I

0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:34.000
<v Speaker 1>guess see the sites, Uh, their men didn't want to

0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:38.760
<v Speaker 1>leave them, so they stayed at home. And actually the

0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.879
<v Speaker 1>areas that didn't practice foot binding are the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>actually did go out and colonize other places, like the Philippines.

0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.200
<v Speaker 1>They were so old Southern China, yeah, or the Old

0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.080
<v Speaker 1>West like every Great Old West show has, like the

0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:54.960
<v Speaker 1>one Chinese immigrant family with the ponytails. Yeah. Um. The

0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.840
<v Speaker 1>article points out, like we're being hard on it because

0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.159
<v Speaker 1>it's easy to look it's to day. It's some antiquated

0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:05.320
<v Speaker 1>practice is really cruel and unusual and weird, but um,

0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.800
<v Speaker 1>at the time, they and the women you know, wanted

0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.440
<v Speaker 1>their feet bound. There were great bonds between the generations

0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.639
<v Speaker 1>because it was such a cultural thing between the women,

0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.760
<v Speaker 1>they would sew their shoes together. Um. I listened to

0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.679
<v Speaker 1>this one MPR Fresh Air that interviewed some of some

0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.840
<v Speaker 1>of these old Chinese ladies that still, you know, are

0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.040
<v Speaker 1>some of the last surviving ones, and a couple of

0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.120
<v Speaker 1>them said, you know, I really regret it now. It's

0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.520
<v Speaker 1>been a lifetime of pain. But most of them said, no,

0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:34.760
<v Speaker 1>we wanted to do it, and this was I'm very

0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:36.879
<v Speaker 1>proud of the fact that we did this. Yeah, and

0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.600
<v Speaker 1>these are these are women who are confronted with the

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<v Speaker 1>outside world and they still feel pride about their bound feet.

0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.240
<v Speaker 1>You can imagine how much pride a woman had in

0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.520
<v Speaker 1>her bound feet while it was the norm, you know,

0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.280
<v Speaker 1>because it was basically the norm in China, and these

0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.919
<v Speaker 1>women weren't going out anywhere else. So if you had

0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:55.919
<v Speaker 1>really nice bound feet, that was a huge point of

0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:59.119
<v Speaker 1>pride for you. So one of the other weird things

0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.240
<v Speaker 1>we need to talk about is sexy time, because we

0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.159
<v Speaker 1>talked about foot fetishes and things, but it really like

0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:11.680
<v Speaker 1>something happened in the water at this time where Chinese

0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.440
<v Speaker 1>men really really got into it, and they would take

0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the shoe off in these odd deformed feet, and they

0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.040
<v Speaker 1>would like do weird things like drink the water that

0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:23.840
<v Speaker 1>they bathe their feet in, or put nuts between the

0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.399
<v Speaker 1>toes and beat the nuts from their toes, and uh,

0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.880
<v Speaker 1>just really odd things. I also read that it became

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<v Speaker 1>a another orifice. I guess if you can imagine, oh

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<v Speaker 1>really Yeah, and even outside of that, I guess one

0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:42.760
<v Speaker 1>of the more normal things to do is to bury

0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.439
<v Speaker 1>your face in the center of the bottom of the

0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:49.440
<v Speaker 1>foot and really get like a good whif foot boat

0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:54.040
<v Speaker 1>boat not to smell it and then chuck. We should

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<v Speaker 1>point out that if you're doing that, if you're burying

0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:01.960
<v Speaker 1>your face in the deformed foot of a foot bound woman, Um,

0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.800
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that happens pretty commonly when your

0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:09.159
<v Speaker 1>feet are bound is that they developed pustules that break

0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:13.920
<v Speaker 1>and stink, and so there is a I read one

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<v Speaker 1>guy a contemporary report from several centuries ago saying like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no other smell like it in the world, Nothing

0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:25.600
<v Speaker 1>as sexy as a deformed foot with leaking, stinky pustules. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, Yeah, there was a definite fetish that grew

0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.880
<v Speaker 1>up around it. There was a UM at least one

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<v Speaker 1>sex manual released with I think forty eight different UM

0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:42.240
<v Speaker 1>things to do with the um and uh there the shoes.

0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:45.040
<v Speaker 1>We didn't talk about the shoes that they play a

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<v Speaker 1>role in that eroticism as well, all about the strengthening

0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:52.160
<v Speaker 1>of the muscles. That's a big part. Yeah, yeah, apparently

0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:55.000
<v Speaker 1>the there was a theory at least that because they

0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.520
<v Speaker 1>had to walk so funny and oddly, that their vaginal

0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:02.800
<v Speaker 1>muscles were extra strong and thus more pleasurable to the

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<v Speaker 1>man UM. And then so the average woman with footbound

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<v Speaker 1>shoe or with with bound feet, I'm sorry everybody, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>she had at least four pairs of shoes you had

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<v Speaker 1>to or else like there was no point in in

0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:19.960
<v Speaker 1>having bound feet. You had to have one for each season.

0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Ideally you had at least four pair per seasons sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Some women had hundreds of these and they were designed

0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.399
<v Speaker 1>to really like show off, like, hey, look at my

0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.680
<v Speaker 1>bound feet, buddy. You know that's what they were there for. UM.

0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.200
<v Speaker 1>But there was one specific one that were always read.

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<v Speaker 1>They were your wedding shoes, and inside there was erotic embroidery,

0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.679
<v Speaker 1>which the husband, the new husband, and the new wife

0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:48.359
<v Speaker 1>would look at and like try out together. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an instruction manual for the bride by her mother

0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.920
<v Speaker 1>or the women of the town, like just do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a picture of what you're supposed to do tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>And slippers period. I think we're just was I'm like

0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:03.719
<v Speaker 1>the lingerie of the time, because they would the bedroom

0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:07.480
<v Speaker 1>slippers were more like uh, embroidered, like more sexily as

0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.000
<v Speaker 1>well than just your average like you know, I gotta

0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:11.919
<v Speaker 1>go to the shop and pick up some rice shoes,

0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:16.600
<v Speaker 1>you know. So the Chinese communists came along now and

0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.280
<v Speaker 1>his comrades and said, you know what, you're a woman.

0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:22.040
<v Speaker 1>We don't care. Get to work digging ditches and oh

0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.040
<v Speaker 1>your bound feet hurt you. Well, I guess you're gonna

0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.880
<v Speaker 1>starve because we give food based on how much work

0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:28.680
<v Speaker 1>you did. If you don't do the work, you're gonna

0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:33.040
<v Speaker 1>start it. Yet that led to the real conclusion of footbinding,

0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:36.040
<v Speaker 1>and apparently today they say with great authority that no

0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:39.359
<v Speaker 1>one does it any longer. Yeah, that's good to know.

0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:45.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised that it completely died out, because do you

0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:49.760
<v Speaker 1>think they'd be like some remote families here there. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we'll welcome to the modern age. This is

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<v Speaker 1>what I say. And that's just a bizarre, strange chapter

0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:01.639
<v Speaker 1>thousand year chapter in one of the most populous nations

0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:05.159
<v Speaker 1>on the planet's history totes and very few people know

0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:09.720
<v Speaker 1>about it. Well, now a lot more people do, right, Uh,

0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:11.800
<v Speaker 1>you got anything else? No, you know you can't, like,

0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:14.639
<v Speaker 1>there's no place we can direct people to voice their

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.199
<v Speaker 1>outrage because it doesn't happen anymore. No, but I'm sure

0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get a lot of suggestions for female genital

0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:22.600
<v Speaker 1>mutilation and we should probably do that one female circumcision.

0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.400
<v Speaker 1>We haven't done that. No, we did male circumcision. I

0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:27.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we talked about female I think we'd

0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:30.240
<v Speaker 1>like mentioned it, said we'll do that later. Oh, well,

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.399
<v Speaker 1>there you have it. We'll do it again. Uh. So,

0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:35.200
<v Speaker 1>if you want to learn more about foot binding and

0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:40.879
<v Speaker 1>see some pictures of some um unshod bound feet, you

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<v Speaker 1>can type foot binding in the search bar how stuff

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<v Speaker 1>works dot Com and will bring up this article. And

0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I said search bar, which means it's time for a

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<v Speaker 1>message break all right now listener mail right, that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call this. We're plugging something, okay, and we

0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:00.240
<v Speaker 1>when we asked to plug things, we get all lot

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:04.639
<v Speaker 1>of people right in for like good charities, and we

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:06.679
<v Speaker 1>can only do a certain amount of otherwise we'd be

0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:10.080
<v Speaker 1>reading charity plucks all the time. So apologies to those

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:12.560
<v Speaker 1>who don't get there's read. But this is from Kate.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a nicht, she said, dory about saying my last

0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 1>name wrong, No one does. If you just did you

0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:22.800
<v Speaker 1>get a fruit basket? I demand one. It's got to

0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:25.800
<v Speaker 1>be German. That's good stuff. She lives in Bozeman, Montana.

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.399
<v Speaker 1>She says it's the most beautiful place on earth and

0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:30.959
<v Speaker 1>she's just been listening for a few months because her

0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:33.760
<v Speaker 1>brother Jack is awesome and turned her onto it waited

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<v Speaker 1>to go to. So during listener mail, guys, you uh

0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 1>supported some really awesome charities and groups that try to

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:41.880
<v Speaker 1>make the role a better place. A friend of mine

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<v Speaker 1>works for such the place. It's a coffee brewing company

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<v Speaker 1>called Brown Water Coffee, which got started here in Bozeman

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<v Speaker 1>a few years ago and it is now based in Denver.

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<v Speaker 1>The great thing about these guys is a fifteen percent

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<v Speaker 1>of their profits go directly to getting clean water to

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.720
<v Speaker 1>those who need it, hence the great double meaning of

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<v Speaker 1>the name Brown Water U. They're also a small company

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<v Speaker 1>with only a handful of employees, but so far I've

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<v Speaker 1>done an amazing job. Not only is a great cause,

0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:08.280
<v Speaker 1>but their package design is awesome. And I can say

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:11.160
<v Speaker 1>that because I'm a recent GRADI graphic design for Montana

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:16.440
<v Speaker 1>State University. Joe bobcats the coffee is fantastic. Actually, it's

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:18.359
<v Speaker 1>really some of the best I've ever had. So she

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<v Speaker 1>highly recommends they sell it in shops mostly in the

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<v Speaker 1>Northwest at the moment, so unfortunately won't be able to

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<v Speaker 1>get your hands on it, but if you send me

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<v Speaker 1>an address, it would be more than happy to send

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<v Speaker 1>them along. Do they sell it online? You would think,

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<v Speaker 1>so sell it online, she said, check them out on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon they will have their website back up and running

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<v Speaker 1>after a quick redesign, so I'd be a static if

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned them on the show. Shout out to Ricky

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<v Speaker 1>owner and founder, and Katie graphic designer and Stevie who

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<v Speaker 1>was the master brewer at Brownwater Coffee. So hopefully by

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<v Speaker 1>the time this comes out, they'll have their website up

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<v Speaker 1>and running. So I imagine if you search for brown

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<v Speaker 1>Water Coffee. It would come up right. I would think

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<v Speaker 1>in this day and age, you've got to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to find something out online. I would the stuff by

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<v Speaker 1>the time it's comes out, So get with it brown

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<v Speaker 1>Water Coffee. If you haven't already. Thank you, Kate. Yeah,

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